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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: Flapp_Jackson on May 06, 2019, 12:27:45 PM
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https://youtu.be/qTc4BxzAICg
Shocking video of children in Philadelphia Muslim Society:
'We will chop off their heads' for Allah
Disturbing footage of Muslim kids saying they would sacrifice themselves and kill for the "army of Allah"
surfaced from an Islamic center in Philadelphia.
The Muslim American Society (MAS) Islamic Center in Philadelphia posted the video to its Facebook
page celebrating "Ummah Day" in which young children wearing Palestinian scarves sang and read
poetry about killing for Allah and the mosque in Jerusalem.
"We will defend the land of divine guidance with our bodies, and we will sacrifice our souls without hesitation,"
a second girl says. "We will chop off their heads, and we will liberate the sorrowful and exalted Al-Aqsa Mosque.
We will lead the army of Allah fulfilling His promise, and we will subject them to eternal torture."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-philadelphia-muslim-society-children
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Shocking video of children in Philadelphia Muslim Society:
'We will chop off their heads' for Allah
https://www.foxnews.com/us/video-philadelphia-muslim-society-children
more peace and love...
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not until they start threatening the LGBTQ community....
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not until they start threatening the LGBTQ community....
I've seen some signs in the mainland "Queers for Islam" and stuff like that. Morons. If they only knew what they did to gays in the middle east.
Our country is being taken over by Islam. Right now, it's being PC to be overly nice to and going out of the way to accommodate Muslims. They're coming here, so they have to adapt to our way of life (American) and not the other way around. Like if I went to A-Stan and wanted special treatment to practice being a Christian...oh wait, I would be executed. Now I'm not hating on Islam, just the over accommodations that are being given to them. Like being able to wear a Hijab in uniform, prayer time in some schools on the mainland to Allah and students being forced to kneel and pray, all those "refugees" that Obama put in Minnesota, protest on college campuses to not serve any pork so they don't offend Muslims, etc...Remember that cop that was pushed thru the academy and he shot an unarmed white girl that was on her own property? IIRC he was from Somalia and his trainers even said they had pressure to pass him. How come no gays are going to a Muslim baker and forcing them to bake a cake?
And same goes with liberals and illegal aliens. I hope I don't see the day where conservatives tell liberals "I told you so". I don't want our country to go that far and be in a shit storm.
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I've seen some signs in the mainland "Queers for Islam" and stuff like that. Morons. If they only knew what they did to gays in the middle east.
Our country is being taken over by Islam. Right now, it's being PC to be overly nice to and going out of the way to accommodate Muslims. They're coming here, so they have to adapt to our way of life (American) and not the other way around. Like if I went to A-Stan and wanted special treatment to practice being a Christian...oh wait, I would be executed. Now I'm not hating on Islam, just the over accommodations that are being given to them. Like being able to wear a Hijab in uniform, prayer time in some schools on the mainland to Allah and students being forced to kneel and pray, all those "refugees" that Obama put in Minnesota, protest on college campuses to not serve any pork so they don't offend Muslims, etc...Remember that cop that was pushed thru the academy and he shot an unarmed white girl that was on her own property? IIRC he was from Somalia and his trainers even said they had pressure to pass him. How come no gays are going to a Muslim baker and forcing them to bake a cake?
And same goes with liberals and illegal aliens. I hope I don't see the day where conservatives tell liberals "I told you so". I don't want our country to go that far and be in a shit storm.
I've seen it stated many times recently: Millennials have a problem taking advice from any generation before their own. They have to literally experience the effects of their decisions to believe the predictions were true.
Until Radical Islamic Terrorism becomes a common threat perpetrated by Radicalized Muslims living in the US, more so than has already happened, the Millennials won't trust the warnings.
It's a Chicken Little tangent. Lack of bad events lull Millennials into complacency to the point they no longer believe the warnings were ever founded in truth, or that the risks somehow no longer apply.
I think the measles outbreak is part of that trend. Now there's an epidemic of measles. Socialism being more accepted is another example.
Every generation seems to have to relearn at least some of the lessons experienced by those who came before.
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I've seen it stated many times recently: Millennials have a problem taking advice from any generation before their own. They have to literally experience the effects of their decisions to believe the predictions were true.
Until Radical Islamic Terrorism becomes a common threat perpetrated by Radicalized Muslims living in the US, more so than has already happened, the Millennials won't trust the warnings.
It's a Chicken Little tangent. Lack of bad events lull Millennials into complacency to the point they no longer believe the warnings were ever founded in truth, or that the risks somehow no longer apply.
I think the measles outbreak is part of that trend. Now there's an epidemic of measles. Socialism being more accepted is another example.
Every generation seems to have to relearn at least some of the lessons experienced by those who came before.
#NoVaccineNeeded
#NoMeaslesphobiaOneLove
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#NoVaccineNeeded
#NoMeaslesphobiaOneLove
of course, Dr Jenny McCarthy says vaccines cause Autism
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of course, Dr Jenny McCarthy says vaccines cause Autism
how about fluoride?
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of course, Dr Jenny McCarthy says vaccines cause Autism
Nobody knows what causes Autism, so it's very unlikely anyone can prove a vaccine can cause it.
Many causes of autism have been proposed, but understanding of the theory of causation of autism and the other autism
spectrum disorders (ASD) is incomplete.[1] Research indicates that genetic factors predominate. The heritability of autism,
however, is complex, and it is typically unclear which genes are responsible.[2] In rare cases, autism is strongly associated
with agents that cause birth defects.[3]
Many other causes have been proposed, such as childhood immunizations, but numerous epidemiological studies have shown
no scientific evidence supporting any link between vaccinations and autism.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_autism
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As President of the Tin Foil Hat Society, I'm on the fence about vax. There are parents who claim shortly after getting the vax, their child's personality changed hugely. There are studies that prove it's not the vax, but who does the studies? And remember vax is a billion dollar a year industry. Now maybe it's not what's in the vax, but the pain the child receives from the needle? Especially if they're getting 5 all at once.
What would be a good study is to look into all the PCP who administer vax and see if their children were also. So if a good percentage of PCP have not vaxed their children, then that's a clue.
Let's use the measles vax as an example, prior to it being released in the 60's (IIRC) measles was all but gone. Once they introduced it, the measles rate increased a good amount.
Also need to factor in how many people died from side effects of the vax vs. how many people died from the disease itself. I did read an article that showed more died from the side effects. But I didn't verify the studies authenticity.
Same thing with artificial coloring. Why is it illegal in many EU countries, but yet legal in the US? Is it because they have free health care over there? So the more people who are sick, the more that country needs to spend.
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As President of the Tin Foil Hat Society, I'm on the fence about vax. There are parents who claim shortly after getting the vax, their child's personality changed hugely. There are studies that prove it's not the vax, but who does the studies? And remember vax is a billion dollar a year industry. Now maybe it's not what's in the vax, but the pain the child receives from the needle? Especially if they're getting 5 all at once.
What would be a good study is to look into all the PCP who administer vax and see if their children were also. So if a good percentage of PCP have not vaxed their children, then that's a clue.
Let's use the measles vax as an example, prior to it being released in the 60's (IIRC) measles was all but gone. Once they introduced it, the measles rate increased a good amount.
Also need to factor in how many people died from side effects of the vax vs. how many people died from the disease itself. I did read an article that showed more died from the side effects. But I didn't verify the studies authenticity.
Same thing with artificial coloring. Why is it illegal in many EU countries, but yet legal in the US? Is it because they have free health care over there? So the more people who are sick, the more that country needs to spend.
It amazes me how conspiracy believers will not trust the gov't, corporations who risk liability, and scientific studies, but will cite rumors, stats without a source and what could be coincidental correlations between two variables as "evidence".
:wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
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2013-2017 measles deaths 2
Death from vax 147
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2013-2017 measles deaths 2
Death from vax 147
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Only 2? I guess the vaccine works. :thumbsup:
Your numbers basically say, we immunized generations against measles, and there were so few cases, we only saw 2 deaths from the disease. Now that people are refusing the vaccine, we are seeing an exponential increase in cases. We still have a vast majority of children immunized, so the numbers of related deaths are low.
Has the number of deaths from the vaccine dropped significantly since parents started opting out? Would be nice to know those trends.
Where do you get your info? I suspect you're only looking at US stats. Hard to prove a theory when most of the population is immunized, thereby reducing the spread -- thus reducing the number of deaths in the population. Also, mothers who carry the antibodies, either from vaccine or infection, can pass on antibodies to their children for a limited duration of about 9 months. Infants are at greatest risk of death or permanent side-effects of getting the disease. If the mothers don't get it before giving birth, their kids are even more at risk before they can get the vaccine at 12 months.
The measles vaccine is effective at preventing the disease, and is often delivered in combination with other vaccines.[7]
Vaccination resulted in a 75% decrease in deaths from measles between 2000 and 2013, with about 85% of children worldwide
being vaccinated as of 2014.[7]
Once a person has become infected, no specific treatment is available,[7] although supportive care may improve outcomes.
... Life-threatening adverse reactions occur in less than one per million vaccinations (<0.0001%)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles
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Us stats. 2 dead from measles, 147 died after receiving the vax. From the vax, not measles.
Last dead in the us was 2015 from diease in the US.
I used google and put "measles deaths 2018 usa" and it gave me international numbers of those who caught it. Was about 9 sites down for cdc numbers. So the fact that google was selectivly showing other data 1st makes me go hmmmmmm.
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Us stats. 2 dead from measles, 147 died after receiving the vax. From the vax, not measles.
Last dead in the us was 2015 from diease in the US.
I used google and put "measles deaths 2018 usa" and it gave me international numbers of those who caught it. Was about 9 sites down for cdc numbers. So the fact that google was selectivly showing other data 1st makes me go hmmmmmm.
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So, are deaths from measles lower than deaths from vaccines because vaccines are more of a risk, or because most people actually get the vaccine, thereby reducing deaths by measles and increasing the number of possible negative effects?
Chicken and the egg argument.
Lots of good stats and historical info here:
https://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/measles/measles-history-in-america.aspx
Measles is a common infection seen in many developing countries, especially in Asia and Africa. The World Health
Organization estimates that 7 million measles infections occurred in 2016 and reported 89,780 measles related deaths.
Measles complications more frequently affect young children who are malnourished and are insufficient in vitamin A.
Children with immunosuppressive disease such as HIV are also more likely to suffer from complications.55
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So, are deaths from measles lower than deaths from vaccines because vaccines are more of a risk, or because most people actually get the vaccine, thereby reducing deaths by measles and increasing the number of possible negative effects?
Chicken and the egg argument.
Lots of good stats and historical info here:
https://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/measles/measles-history-in-america.aspx
Chicken b4 the egg thing. But also cant find stats of other negative reactions to vax besides death. And same with measles. How many got measles and had life time damages.
So in the end i will vax my kids because it has to be done and cross my fingers they dont get messed up.
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Chicken b4 the egg thing. But also cant find stats of other negative reactions to vax besides death. And same with measles. How many got measles and had life time damages.
So in the end i will vax my kids because it has to be done and cross my fingers they dont get messed up.
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One of my earliest memories was going to the local health department for a polio vaccine. It was a syrupy substance applied to a sugar cube. I got the MMR booster at the same time as well as a TB test. All the things needed to start first grade.
The county health departments were funded back then to ensure free (tax-funded) vaccines were available for all children.
A good way to know if someone is over 40 is the smallpox vaccine scar on their arm. As of 1972, the smallpox vaccine was no longer offered, because we had eradicated the disease in the US. The last recorded case of smallpox was in Somalia in 1977, and smallpox was officially declared 100% eradicated worldwide in 1980 After a successful immunization program. Before the vaccine, 3 out of every 10 infected with smallpox died. That's why anyone with a vial of the smallpox virus could create an effective bio-weapon. It would take time and massive resources to immunize against it again, not to mention resources to treat the infected.
If anti-vaxers have their way, we'd never eradicate another disease for fear the cure carries an "unacceptable risk". Never mind the future generations who might have been spared the vaccine's effects AND the disease.
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I wonder if the vaxes in the 80s are the same as now. Or are todays ones made with lesser quality to save cost.
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I wonder if the vaxes in the 80s are the same as now. Or are todays ones made with lesser quality to save cost.
I'm sure production technologies have improved. I'm sure the processes to remove impurities and improve consistency are much better now with computer technology and years of additional research.
As for quality, it either works as required, or it doesn't. I can't see anyone making less effective vaccines to save money when they can charge whatever insurance will pay. The per-dose savings wouldn't be worth the liability risks.
As for consumer cost, vaccines aren't like meds for chromic conditions that require daily doses. You normally need a vaccine early in life, with occasional boosters later on. Maybe you'll want an extra booster for some viruses when traveling to locations known for a given disease.
I look at immunizations like insurance and guns: paying good money for something I hope I never need.
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I'm sure production technologies have improved. I'm sure the processes to remove impurities and improve consistency are much better now with computer technology and years of additional research.
As for quality, it either works as required, or it doesn't. I can't see anyone making less effective vaccines to save money when they can charge whatever insurance will pay. The per-dose savings wouldn't be worth the liability risks.
As for consumer cost, vaccines aren't like meds for chromic conditions that require daily doses. You normally need a vaccine early in life, with occasional boosters later on. Maybe you'll want an extra booster for some viruses when traveling to locations known for a given disease.
I look at immunizations like insurance and guns: paying good money for something I hope I never need.
But unlike insurance and guns, u will never know if the vax worked and u needed it. Were not like wolverine. Get 1 chicken pox, then it dissapears.
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But unlike insurance and guns, u will never know if the vax worked and u needed it. Were not like wolverine. Get 1 chicken pox, then it dissapears.
If you get vaccinated, and others around you get infected, you can kind of tell if it worked and that it was needed.
If you don't get vaccinated and contract a preventable disease, you'll know you needed it.
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If you get vaccinated, and others around you get infected, you can kind of tell if it worked and that it was needed.
If you don't get vaccinated and contract a preventable disease, you'll know you needed it.
My parents have that mark on their shoulder. So if someone weaponized small pox, the generation b4 me will be ok, but I'll be screwed. They should give small pox a meaner sounding name like ebola, AIDS, Anthrax, etc...
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My parents have that mark on their shoulder. So if someone weaponized small pox, the generation b4 me will be ok, but I'll be screwed. They should give small pox a meaner sounding name like ebola, AIDS, Anthrax, etc...
Smallpox gets its name from the Latin word for “spotted” and refers to the small pus-filled blisters that appear on the face and body of an infected person.
The smallpox vaccination was created by Edward Jenner based on his previous vaccination for cowpox.
The word "vaccine" was also created by Jenner from the latin word vacca meaning "cow".
There are worse disease names than smallpox. :geekdanc:
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Interesting. . . Haven't heard a peep about this on the news and/or the "usual suspects" on FB. . .
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Interesting. . . Haven't heard a peep about this on the news and/or the "usual suspects" on FB. . .
Islam is the new black. Reverse racism, let's be extra nice to the black guy. Reverse Islamophobia. Go out of their way to accommodate Islam and don't show the bad side. Why you think Tommy Robinson and others were arrested in the UK? No gays walking into a Muslim bakery to have a cake baked.
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One of my earliest memories was going to the local health department for a polio vaccine. It was a syrupy substance applied to a sugar cube. I got the MMR booster at the same time as well as a TB test. All the things needed to start first grade.
The county health departments were funded back then to ensure free (tax-funded) vaccines were available for all children.
A good way to know if someone is over 40 is the smallpox vaccine scar on their arm. As of 1972, the smallpox vaccine was no longer offered, because we had eradicated the disease in the US. The last recorded case of smallpox was in Somalia in 1977, and smallpox was officially declared 100% eradicated worldwide in 1980 After a successful immunization program. Before the vaccine, 3 out of every 10 infected with smallpox died. That's why anyone with a vial of the smallpox virus could create an effective bio-weapon. It would take time and massive resources to immunize against it again, not to mention resources to treat the infected.
If anti-vaxers have their way, we'd never eradicate another disease for fear the cure carries an "unacceptable risk". Never mind the future generations who might have been spared the vaccine's effects AND the disease.
About the Small pox,
I was on world wide mobility and I received a Small pox booster in 1977 at McClellan AFB in CA.
Probably one of the last.
About all this Vax shot talk, anybody that was in the Military, Vietnam era, and went overseas has
had more shots than you can believe. My shot record, a Yellow book, that I kept with my
military passport, was so full they gave me a second yellow book.
You can't count a negative, so it is hard to argue with an anti Vaxer till it is too late.
Just like trying to convince an anti-gunner that a people carrying guns stops many crimes
from ever happening.
As to the Moslems, America had better wake up.
America won't awaken and the Democrats will suffer the most, as they
are dis-armed physically and morally against something that
believes their Allah has given them permission
to rape, enslave, and obliterate you.
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About the Small pox,
I was on world wide mobility and I received a Small pox booster in 1977 at McClellan AFB in CA.
Probably one of the last.
About all this Vax shot talk, anybody that was in the Military, Vietnam era, and went overseas has
had more shots than you can believe. My shot record, a Yellow book, that I kept with my
military passport, was so full they gave me a second yellow book.
You can't count a negative, so it is hard to argue with an anti Vaxer till it is too late.
Just like trying to convince an anti-gunner that a people carrying guns stops many crimes
from ever happening.
As to the Moslems, America had better wake up.
America won't awaken and the Democrats will suffer the most, as they
are dis-armed physically and morally against something that
believes their Allah has given them permission
to rape, enslave, and obliterate you.
I entered active duty in 1984 and was given the same pocket-size yellow shot record card. Normal immunizations for everyone were
Tetanus-Diphtheria every 10 years,
annual flu shots,
one-time MMR if you can't document receiving them already,
3 polio vaccines/boosters if you can't document receiving them already, (if you had fewer than 3 in the past, they give you the difference)
plus any required for locations you might be deploying to.
For the Middle East and Asia, we received:
Gamma Globulin which has been replaced with Hep A & Hep B shots + boosters,
Typhoid,
Yellow Fever,
Malaria,
and a TB test.
Now they have a Meningococcal vaccine to prevent meningitis. Never had that one.
Of all the shots I had, Yellow Fever was THE worst. They only gave it on Fridays under the guise of needing to use it all the day it was opened, so they scheduled everyone on Fridays. I believe the real reason is so you can recover from the fevers and other symptoms over the weekend without missing a duty day! :'(
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On a grown man, I don't see to much risk with vax. But on a child who is still developing is where I have an issue. To me it would make sense when you pump the baby with man made synthetic stuff, it increases the chance of something messing up (autism or other stuff) happening. Same reasoning why in baby food, it's not pumped with artificial colors or flavoring. Let's not open the artificial coloring box either.
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On a grown man, I don't see to much risk with vax. But on a child who is still developing is where I have an issue. To me it would make sense when you pump the baby with man made synthetic stuff, it increases the chance of something messing up (autism or other stuff) happening. Same reasoning why in baby food, it's not pumped with artificial colors or flavoring. Let's not open the artificial coloring box either.
Why are you still bringing up autism? Do you have any evidence proving a causal link between the vaccine and autism? Any vaccine and autism? Any other cause of any kind and autism?
Numerous studies have found no relationship between MMR vaccine and autism.
Claims of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism have been extensively investigated and found to be false.
The link was first suggested in the early 1990s and came to public notice largely as a result of the 1998 Lancet
MMR autism fraud, characterised as "perhaps the most damaging medical hoax of the last 100 years".[1]
The fraudulent research paper authored by Andrew Wakefield and published in The Lancet claimed to link the
vaccine to colitis and autism spectrum disorders. The paper was retracted in 2010[2] but is still cited
by anti-vaccinationists.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_and_autism
Authored by Andrew Wakefield and 12 others, the paper’s scientific limitations were clear when it appeared in 1998.2 3
As the ensuing vaccine scare took off, critics quickly pointed out that the paper was a small case series with no controls,
linked three common conditions, and relied on parental recall and beliefs.4 Over the following decade, epidemiological
studies consistently found no evidence of a link between the MMR vaccine and autism.5 6 7 8 By the time the paper was
finally retracted 12 years later,9 after forensic dissection at the General Medical Council’s (GMC) longest ever fitness to
practise hearing,10 few people could deny that it was fatally flawed both scientifically and ethically. But it has taken the
diligent scepticism of one man, standing outside medicine and science, to show that the paper was in fact an elaborate
fraud.
In a series of articles starting this week, and seven years after first looking into the MMR scare, journalist Brian Deer now
shows the extent of Wakefield’s fraud and how it was perpetrated (doi:10.1136/bmj.c5347). Drawing on interviews, documents,
and data made public at the GMC hearings, Deer shows how Wakefield altered numerous facts about the patients’ medical
histories in order to support his claim to have identified a new syndrome; how his institution, the Royal Free Hospital and
Medical School in London, supported him as he sought to exploit the ensuing MMR scare for financial gain; and how key
players failed to investigate thoroughly in the public interest when Deer first raised his concerns.11
https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452.full.print
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I entered active duty in 1984 and was given the same pocket-size yellow shot record card. Normal immunizations for everyone were
Tetanus-Diphtheria every 10 years,
annual flu shots,
one-time MMR if you can't document receiving them already,
3 polio vaccines/boosters if you can't document receiving them already, (if you had fewer than 3 in the past, they give you the difference)
plus any required for locations you might be deploying to.
For the Middle East and Asia, we received:
Gamma Globulin which has been replaced with Hep A & Hep B shots + boosters,
Typhoid,
Yellow Fever,
Malaria,
and a TB test.
Now they have a Meningococcal vaccine to prevent meningitis. Never had that one.
Of all the shots I had, Yellow Fever was THE worst. They only gave it on Fridays under the guise of needing to use it all the day it was opened, so they scheduled everyone on Fridays. I believe the real reason is so you can recover from the fevers and other symptoms over the weekend without missing a duty day! :'(
Went in service 1973.
I also got Cholera and Plague shots
in addition to your Asian shots.
I wasn't even special ops,
I just fixed airplanes anywhere in the world.
Agreed on the Yellow fever.
The worst was Victoria A&B Flu shots when I rotated back.
14 hrs in the back of a 747 sick as a dog,
listening to Marines boast about sex conquests
and drunken fights.
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I usually listen with some interest to Patriot Nurse, but I think she's gone off the deep end with her anti-vaxer hysteria. oh well, I'll tune back in when she comes back to freedom, liberty, and gun rights. Reid Heinrich's wife.