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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: punaperson on June 01, 2019, 06:33:16 AM
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Hmmmm... everyone burned out on dealing with these?
Used a .45 handgun. ("military-style assault weapons" ban would not have made a difference... though the cops are playing cute saying they found "other weapons" at the site but won't way what they were... "handgun ban" the proposed solution?)
Likely passed a background check ("universal background checks" would not have made a difference... but it is possible that he acquired all his weapons either via private transactions where that is legal, or illegally... "gun ban" the solution?)
No reports of "red flag" threats or mental abnormalities ("red flag law" fail if there even would have been one... but maybe he had done things, the cops are playing cute on that one too and won't say anything about anything, including if he was about to lose his job... "ban all guns" solution?)
No mention of whether the public building was a "gun-free zone"... I suspect it was, in which case no one there would have been legally allowed to defend themselves with the only tool likely to have been effective. (Solution: "ban all guns"?)
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Shooter is black, so we know what will happen by monday.
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Virginia beach had a mass casaulty drill in april...#tinfoil
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"Cache"... right... 4 guns is a "cache"... I suppose a "cache" could be one... one more and it would have been an "arsenal"... especially if he had over
500 100 50 rounds of ammo...
Virginia Beach police zero in on shooter's weapons cache and job background
"Virginia Beach Police are turning their focus to the weapons cache and job history of the man whose Friday shooting spree at a municipal complex killed 12 people and injured several more."
"As for weaponry, two .45-caliber pistols were said to have been used by the shooter, and two other guns were recovered at the shooter's home, the chief said. At least three of the weapons were purchased legally, though the history of the fourth was not immediately known. The two weapons used at the municipal center were purchased in 2016 and 2018 by the shooter, officials said." [So the two he used to murder people were legally acquired... does that mean background checks or legal private transfers? I'm guessing hte new version of "universal background checks" will include a 4-times-per-year psychological evaluation by a state-approved mental health professional... .just like Josh Green's bill proposed a few years ago...]
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"Cache"... right... 4 guns is a "cache"... I suppose a "cache" could be one... one more and it would have been an "arsenal"... especially if he had over 500 100 50 rounds of ammo...
Virginia Beach police zero in on shooter's weapons cache and job background
"Virginia Beach Police are turning their focus to the weapons cache and job history of the man whose Friday shooting spree at a municipal complex killed 12 people and injured several more."
"As for weaponry, two .45-caliber pistols were said to have been used by the shooter, and two other guns were recovered at the shooter's home, the chief said. At least three of the weapons were purchased legally, though the history of the fourth was not immediately known. The two weapons used at the municipal center were purchased in 2016 and 2018 by the shooter, officials said." [So the two he used to murder people were legally acquired... does that mean background checks or legal private transfers? I'm guessing hte new version of "universal background checks" will include a 4-times-per-year psychological evaluation by a state-approved mental health professional... .just like Josh Green's bill proposed a few years ago...]
There's no firearm registration system in Virginia. So, to know he bought the guns legally would require a record. Hence, the purchases could be traced to the gun shop/s that sold to him. I'm assuming the fourth was a private party sale, and the serial number only points the investigators to the original retail purchaser.
No matter which guns were used and how many may have been illegally purchased, the fact that he legally purchased any of them means he had the tools he needed via the normal retail ATF/NICS/FFL-controlled system. Making private sale/s more burdensome via more background checks would have had zero effect on the outcome. Similar to here, with the requirement to get permits for all handguns no matter how many you already have, vs. long guns, where you can buy hundreds in 12 months with no additional background checks. (p.s. long gun includes scary black military style weapons).
It's tiresome for so many to focus on gun laws when we know they won't stop a single act of violence. A man willing to murder a dozen or more people and have a gun battle with police isn't worried about breaking gun laws.
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police/dispatch scanner audio halfway down.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/dewayne-craddock/ (https://heavy.com/news/2019/05/dewayne-craddock/)
found via arfcom.
"disgruntled" employee. ya think that when somebody gets laid off at work, or reprimanded, disciplined, demoted, etc, it'll trigger automatic Red Flag confiscation? maybe even divorce?
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B4 any employeer fires anyone, they will submit to hpd to see if they have any registered guns ever. And if yes, red flag comes into play. Hpd will be waiting outside the office of the manager deliviering the news to the emplyee. Then they will escort them home.
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"disgruntled" employee. ya think that when somebody gets laid off at work, or reprimanded, disciplined, demoted, etc, it'll trigger automatic Red Flag confiscation? maybe even divorce?
B4 any employeer fires anyone, they will submit to hpd to see if they have any registered guns ever. And if yes, red flag comes into play. Hpd will be waiting outside the office of the manager deliviering the news to the emplyee. Then they will escort them home.
I think you've captured the essence of the "commonsense gun safety laws" concept. "We're here to preemptively confiscate all your firearms (and car keys and hammers and knives and pieces of pipe and chainsaw and skilsaw and rope and wire, etc)., because your employer/spouse/child/parent/neighbor/etc. is going to tell you something in the near future that may induce a "negative" emotional reaction in you and we don't want you or anyone else getting hurt. In fact, let us help you into this straightjacket... for your own protection."
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and this is probably where Karl Rhoads is going in his grand ultimate design.
how's that for Due Process for you!
when you get divorced, no guns for you!
when you get turned down for a job application, no guns for you!
when you lose out on the promotion, no guns for you!
whey you don't make the basketball team, no guns for you!
etc.
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"we need to do something"
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Dr. Lott chimes in with the facts (and links to the details) to counter the horseshit lies being spread by the DemonRat presidential candidates, et al.
Another mass public shooting, another place where the victims were banned from carrying guns, the attack at Virginia Beach
https://crimeresearch.org/2019/06/another-mass-public-shooting-another-place-where-the-victims-were-banned-from-carrying-guns-the-attack-at-virginia-beach/
Another horrifying attack and immediately gun control politicians and organizations are calling for more gun control laws. Former VP Joe Biden, Sen. Kamala Harris, Sen. Elizabeth Warren, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, former congressman Beto O’Rourke, Cory Booker and many others put out calls for more gun control within a few hours of the tragedy. The question of “How many more?” is a question that we ask ourselves all the time. Now the desire “to do something” is very understandable, but let’s try to do something that would actually matter.
More on our list of mass public shootings and gun-free zones since 1950 in the US is available here. For some of the quotes from the killers themselves on explicitly picking targets where people won’t have guns, see the information here. The prevalence of mass public shootings around the world can be seen here. Of course, all the mass public shootings in Europe since at least 1980 have taken place in gun-free zones.
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He gave 2 weeks notice and was in good standing.
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He gave 2 weeks notice and was in good standing.
Are you calling all those media outlets reporting that he was "a disgruntled employee who had received notice of termination" liars? Or "fake news"?
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Are you calling all those media outlets reporting that he was "a disgruntled employee who had received notice of termination" liars? Or "fake news"?
Yes, well disgruntled is correct. Email sent hours prior.
1 PD says his pistol had a supressor on it. Wait to see supressor ban like how bump stocks were?
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Yup, star advertiser has an article about "silencers".
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Yup, star advertiser has an article about "silencers".
Today on Meet the Press "host" Chuck Todd pressed White House Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney about suppressors/"silencers"... and unfortunately Mulvaney came back with the example of the President/White House supporting the ban on bumpstocks. I don't see that as a good sign.
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The past two days of headlines from AWR Hawkins at Breitbart about sums it up:
https://www.breitbart.com/author/awr-hawkins/
Report: Virginia Beach Gunman Was Facing Disciplinary Action at Work
Report: Site of Virginia Beach Shooting Another Gun-Free Zone
Alyssa Milano Demands Gun Control Law that Wouldn’t Have Stopped Virginia Beach Shooting
Sen. Michael Bennet Blames Mitch McConnell for Virginia Beach Shooting
Mark Warner Talks ‘Assault Weapons’ Ban After VA Beach Handgun Attack
Virginia Beach Police Chief: No Gun Control Would Have Prevented Deadly Attack
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How close is the nearest police station?
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Today on Meet the Press "host" Chuck Todd pressed White House Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney about suppressors/"silencers"... and unfortunately Mulvaney came back with the example of the President/White House supporting the ban on bumpstocks. I don't see that as a good sign.
For those in free-er states.....hold onto your butts. First bump stocks, now silencers could be next by presidential fiat.
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Is it too cynical (/#tinfoil) to predict a "mass public shooting" within the next 24 months involving an SBS and/or SBR?
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And witnesses said they heard gunfire/nail gun. So it wasn't as soft as the movies make it appear. Don't forget "high cap mags".
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And witnesses said they heard gunfire/nail gun. So it wasn't as soft as the movies make it appear. Don't forget "high cap mags".
Yeah, but because the sound was somewhat "muffled" they didn't think the gunman was a close as he actually was and thus momentarily delayed uselessly hiding under their desks.
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And the shooter is a mmmmmuuuuuuuussssslllll...
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Is it too cynical (/#tinfoil) to predict a "mass public shooting" within the next 24 months involving an SBS and/or SBR?
Not really. There was a lot of speculation that the next incident would involve an NFA item. And low and behold. Trump is not our friend when it comes to 2a issues despite his speech at the NRA convention stating otherwise. The biggest point being missed by the MSM is that this was in a gun free zone.
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Re the "gun-free zones"... here's a very brief summary of the facts that the MSM doesn't really want people to see:
The most heinous of high-profile shootings have been gun-free zones. Those shootings include Lone Star Bar & Grill (November 7, 2018), the Parkland high school (February 14, 2018), Orlando Pulse nightclub (June 12, 2016), San Bernardino (December 2, 2015), Umpqua Community College (October 1, 2015), Lafayette movie theater (July 23, 2015), Sandy Hook Elementary School (December 14, 2012), Fort Hood (April 2, 2014), D.C. Navy Yard (September 16, 2013), Aurora movie theater (July 20, 2012), the Fort Hood (November 5, 2009), and Virginia Tech (April 16, 2007), among others.
CPRC examined mass public shootings for the time period of 1950 to May 2018 and found that 97.8 percent of them occurred in gun-free zones. Yet Democrat politicians respond to these shootings by pushing laws that make it even harder for law-abiding citizens to be armed to shoot back.
Re the MSM initial refusal to indicate the race of the murderer (inlcuding the N Y Times and the Washington Post), it allowed people to post this kind of (racist?) crap:
(https://i.imgur.com/NLfLEqd.jpg)
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Re the "gun-free zones"... here's a very brief summary of the facts that the MSM doesn't really want people to see:
The most heinous of high-profile shootings have been gun-free zones. Those shootings include Lone Star Bar & Grill (November 7, 2018), the Parkland high school (February 14, 2018), Orlando Pulse nightclub (June 12, 2016), San Bernardino (December 2, 2015), Umpqua Community College (October 1, 2015), Lafayette movie theater (July 23, 2015), Sandy Hook Elementary School (December 14, 2012), Fort Hood (April 2, 2014), D.C. Navy Yard (September 16, 2013), Aurora movie theater (July 20, 2012), the Fort Hood (November 5, 2009), and Virginia Tech (April 16, 2007), among others.
CPRC examined mass public shootings for the time period of 1950 to May 2018 and found that 97.8 percent of them occurred in gun-free zones. Yet Democrat politicians respond to these shootings by pushing laws that make it even harder for law-abiding citizens to be armed to shoot back.
Re the MSM initial refusal to indicate the race of the murderer (inlcuding the N Y Times and the Washington Post), it allowed people to post this kind of (racist?) crap:
(https://i.imgur.com/NLfLEqd.jpg)
That's why I no longer have FB or Twitter. Too much "stupid" to sift through.
Here's the photo of the shooter, DeWayne Craddock, published Saturday by CNN. Damned those White men ... posing as black men just to blame blacks!!
(https://i.imgur.com/jJHvEQ6.jpg)
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/01/us/virginia-beach-suspect/index.html
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Here's her non-apology "I admit I posted a lie" response.
(https://i.imgur.com/Vu3zKZ4.png)
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Yeah, right. That was some "comment" Cheri. I'm sure if the factual situation and words were the exact opposite that you are all your leftist socialist racist buddies would be equally forgiving of that comment by a deplorable, right? The hypocrisy of these people can only be understood in the context of mental illness (my apologies to most of the mentally ill).
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Yeah, right. That was some "comment" Cheri. I'm sure if the factual situation and words were the exact opposite that you are all your leftist socialist racist buddies would be equally forgiving of that comment by a deplorable, right? The hypocrisy of these people can only be understood in the context of mental illness (my apologies to most of the mentally ill).
This is the exact same thing the Fake News orgs do. They assume or repeat things they heard if it feeds into their political, "Orange Man Bad," SJW narratives, then stop short of actually apologizing. Most of them double down with "Maybe THIS time I was wrong, but it's a conversation we need to have."
Total futility dealing with the Left. They will disparage the entire White race and then warn the nation not to paint all Muslims as terrorists after an Islamic Terrorist Attack. "Some people did something ..."
Hypocrisy thrives on the Left.
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I'll never understand this self loathing. Guilt. Hate these white people have for their own ethnicity If your wanting/assuming a mass shooter is a certain ethnicity to push a political agenda your a disgusting person. :wtf:
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Is it too cynical (/#tinfoil) to predict a "mass public shooting" within the next 24 months involving an SBS and/or SBR?
Not really. There was a lot of speculation that the next incident would involve an NFA item. And low and behold. Trump is not our friend when it comes to 2a issues despite his speech at the NRA convention stating otherwise. The biggest point being missed by the MSM is that this was in a gun free zone.
A n d... right on cue... SCOTUS...
Shane Cox v. US – (short-barrel rifle and silencers). Rescheduled for 6/6 Conference.
[Thanks to Charles Nichols who tracks all the 2a SCOTUS cert petitions and their dispensations...]
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Okay, I guess I have to admit I was wrong in claiming that none of the proposed legislation by Gov. Northam would have made any difference, because yesterday the following was reported:
"While members of the public described him as warm, his co-workers found Craddock to be quiet. Sometimes he wouldn’t return greetings."
So a "red flag law" would have worked! As obviously anyone who doesn't "return greetings" is clearly a danger to himself or others... this can no longer be disputed, the clear and convincing preponderance of evidence is tragically right before us.
Witness seeking ERPO: "No, judge, I'm not kidding. I said "Hi" to him and he didn't respond!"
Judge: "Oh my God! Bailiff, go get his guns!"
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No joke. Can happen here.
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People always say you gotta watch out for the quiet ones.
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Cops had a hard time entering the room because doors need key cards. Dont worry, no need a gun for protection, pd will protect you.
No news anymore for a few days. Black muslims with pistols dont deserve the spot light i guess.
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Cops had a hard time entering the room because doors need key cards. Dont worry, no need a gun for protection, pd will protect you.
No news anymore for a few days. Black muslims with pistols dont deserve the spot light i guess.
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There needs to be a media policy at least, if not a law, that prohibits the media from sharing the names, FB/Twitter handles, or manifestos of mass shooters.
The public doesn't need to know the shooter's identity nor give their attention to the likely insane rantings that may or may not be the real reasons for the attack.
Maybe if the shooter survives, the name can be used during coverage of the trial, but even that won't help stop the next shootings. Call him "the suspect", "the defendant" or "the alleged shooter", but let's stop giving them notoriety.
The argument "but we need to understand what made him do it" fails the logic test, since most people watching the news are not experts in human behavior nor are they familiar with the individual. Nothing the public learns will (1) give us any deeper insight into the causes, nor (2) present a solution for how we can use that "diagnosis" to prevent future similar acts.
Keep the analysis among the people involved in the situation, and keep the public out of it. Hell, when the Left says it's a gun problem, they destroy any credibility related to reporting details in terms of finding reasons.
So many shootings are pure copycats and attempts to become famous. Denying them their reward might reduce the number of these crimes. It has been shown to work with suicides for decades.
We need to stop being voyeurs as a society. We're turning the shooters into heroes and martyrs for the next wave of copycats. Our lack of willingness to take this COMMON SENSE step is killing people time and again.
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No news anymore for a few days.
What a surprise, just like those school shooting democrats in Denver, crickets once the narrative failed.
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There needs to be a media policy at least, if not a law, that prohibits the media from sharing the names, FB/Twitter handles, or manifestos of mass shooters.
The public doesn't need to know the shooter's identity nor give their attention to the likely insane rantings that may or may not be the real reasons for the attack.
Maybe if the shooter survives, the name can be used during coverage of the trial, but even that won't help stop the next shootings. Call him "the suspect", "the defendant" or "the alleged shooter", but let's stop giving them notoriety.
The argument "but we need to understand what made him do it" fails the logic test, since most people watching the news are not experts in human behavior nor are they familiar with the individual. Nothing the public learns will (1) give us any deeper insight into the causes, nor (2) present a solution for how we can use that "diagnosis" to prevent future similar acts.
Keep the analysis among the people involved in the situation, and keep the public out of it. Hell, when the Left says it's a gun problem, they destroy any credibility related to reporting details in terms of finding reasons.
So many shootings are pure copycats and attempts to become famous. Denying them their reward might reduce the number of these crimes. It has been shown to work with suicides for decades.
We need to stop being voyeurs as a society. We're turning the shooters into heroes and martyrs for the next wave of copycats. Our lack of willingness to take this COMMON SENSE step is killing people time and again.
isn't that what they're doing in NZ, erasing Brenton Tarrant from history? it never happened... anybody posting anything about it goes to jail? type-of-thing?
not sure I agree with that.
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isn't that what they're doing in NZ, erasing Brenton Tarrant from history? it never happened... anybody posting anything about it goes to jail? type-of-thing?
not sure I agree with that.
Why not? If the killer's motive is to get famous/attention, giving them what they seek just means the next copycat killer gets the same reward.
Do you really think plastering the name of the killer on every type of media in the world has any benefit? if so, please point to examples where the public was made safer by knowing the name of a criminal who murdered innocent people.
Most mass shooters in the US are ignored by the press if they don't fit the mold for their anti-Trump, anti-Conservative, anti-White or anti-2A narrative. Obviously what I recommend is happening to some degree already in the US, just not across the board and not to the extent needed -- IMHO.
I'm not saying the authorities should expunge the shooter's existence from all records. Just don't release the identity to the press unless it somehow makes the public safer -- such as a multiple shooter case where one was killed or caught and additional suspects are being hunted.
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I don't know if she was the first killed, or the last, or where in between... but she may have had a chance to save herself and/or others had she chosen to break the rules... but she didn't... so they're all dead. Chalk them all up to another "gun-free zone"!
I hope we'll be getting more details on her suspicions and fears about the individual, since all other reports seem to indicate no one suspected anything was amiss... i.e. ERPOs would not have played a role.
Lawyer: Gun-Free Policy Kept Virginia Beach Victim Unarmed on Day of Attack
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/11/lawyer-gun-free-policy-kept-virginia-beach-victim-unarmed-day-attack/
A lawyer for the family of Virginia Beach victim Kate Nixon says she wanted to bring a gun to work for self-defense on the very day of the shooting but did not because of the gun-free policy.
Breitbart News reported that the building in which the May 31, Virginia Beach attack occurred had a gun-free policy for city employees. So when the gunman opened fire on fellow employees–11 of his 12 victims were city employees–they could not shoot back.
The Virginian-Pilot reports that one of those victims, Nixon, had expressed concern over the gunman and talked to her husband about carrying a gun to work for self-defense. She allegedly talked to her husband on the night of May 30, discussing the option of carrying the gun on May 31, the day on which the deadly attack occurred.
The family’s attorney, Kevin Martingayle, indicated that Nixon was simply going to hide a pistol in her “handbag” so she would be prepared if something happened. She ultimately decided not to “because of a city policy that prevents employees from bringing weapons to work.”
Nixon was killed on May 31, when the gunman opened fire on unarmed city employees with two handguns.
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I don't know if she was the first killed, or the last, or where in between... but she may have had a chance to save herself and/or others had she chosen to break the rules... but she didn't... so they're all dead. Chalk them all up to another "gun-free zone"!
I hope we'll be getting more details on her suspicions and fears about the individual, since all other reports seem to indicate no one suspected anything was amiss... i.e. ERPOs would not have played a role.
Lawyer: Gun-Free Policy Kept Virginia Beach Victim Unarmed on Day of Attack
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/06/11/lawyer-gun-free-policy-kept-virginia-beach-victim-unarmed-day-attack/
A lawyer for the family of Virginia Beach victim Kate Nixon says she wanted to bring a gun to work for self-defense on the very day of the shooting but did not because of the gun-free policy.
Breitbart News reported that the building in which the May 31, Virginia Beach attack occurred had a gun-free policy for city employees. So when the gunman opened fire on fellow employees–11 of his 12 victims were city employees–they could not shoot back.
The Virginian-Pilot reports that one of those victims, Nixon, had expressed concern over the gunman and talked to her husband about carrying a gun to work for self-defense. She allegedly talked to her husband on the night of May 30, discussing the option of carrying the gun on May 31, the day on which the deadly attack occurred.
The family’s attorney, Kevin Martingayle, indicated that Nixon was simply going to hide a pistol in her “handbag” so she would be prepared if something happened. She ultimately decided not to “because of a city policy that prevents employees from bringing weapons to work.”
Nixon was killed on May 31, when the gunman opened fire on unarmed city employees with two handguns.
Old story, new names.
Anti-gunners will never get what they want -- a complete and total public gun ban. Yet, they will never concede that any other level of gun control has failed every time it's been tried in the US.
The ironic thing about this video is who's on stage -- none other than Crying Chuck Schumer.
https://youtu.be/FvTO-y-B2YM
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what a smug look on Schumer face