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Tools and Uses => Firearms and Accessories => Topic started by: Inspector on May 17, 2012, 09:00:52 PM
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The Glock is one of the easiest and least expensive handguns to be modded. Most mods don't require a gunsmith to perform. With the help of YouTube videos I have taken my Glock apart using a single punch. I have decided to turn my Glock 17 Gen2 into a project gun.
So far here is what I have done:
1. Added Pachmyr Grip Glove
2. Stainless Steel Recoil Spring Guide Rod and new recoil spring (Stock strength)
3. Lone Wolf 3.5lb Connector
4. Lone Wolf Ultimate Trigger Stop
My trigger pull went from over 6lbs. to 4lb. 10oz. It is still not smooth and sort of crunchy. But having no over travel and being lighter is MUCH nicer than before.
Future Plans In No Particular Order:
1. ZEV Tech Competition Springs
2. Drop In Competition Barrel
3. ZEV Tech Fulcrum Trigger Kit
4. ZEV Tech Magwell Speed Feed
5. Competition Slide Release
6. Competition Mag Release
7. Titanium Pin Kit
So what are you doing (or planning to do) to your Glock?
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I bought a spring kit off of eBay it had 6# trigger a 4,5 and 6# striker spring and a reduced and stock plunger spring. I just shot with different springs untill I got what I liked. Which was a 5# striker 6# trigger and reduced safety plunger. I also put a Lonewolf 3.5 and polished it up. It's super smooooth and crisp. I also put an extended slide stop and a factory mag release from a G21 fs i think. It went from stock in a weekend. Have fun modding yours
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I really like the Vickers slide stop/release. It's profiled very similar to the M&P.
For gen 1-3 guns, I swap out the mag release for a BFG/Vickers too.
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I plan on shooting my glock :)
To me, it shoots fine and since I'm not shooting in any competitions, it'll stay that way.
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I plan on shooting my glock :)
To me, it shoots fine and since I'm not shooting in any competitions, it'll stay that way.
I shoot mine as often as I go to the pistol range. As bad as the trigger is on the Glocks I have learned to shoot it quite well. I shoot it more (and is more of a favorite) than my Sig P228. I have owned it since 1991-1992. I have put a lot of rounds through it. I wore out the return spring. It still locks up nice and tight. It is still about as accurate as it was when I bought it. I decided to mod it for reasons other than competition. I have always wanted to do a project gun and I am not a gunsmith. Most mods I would do to my other guns would more than likely involve paying someone else to do the mods. So I can do the mods myself and since they don't require modification of anything I can always return it to stock form. I basically am just doing it for the fun of it. More of a hobby sort of thing.
I admire the fact that you like yours just the way it is like I do. But there are reasons other than competition for wanting to mod your Glock. :shaka:
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I plan on shooting my glock :)
To me, it shoots fine and since I'm not shooting in any competitions, it'll stay that way.
I have a 17 and a 34 that I got recently. I shot the 17 in competitions and will now be using primarily the 34. Mods that I've done are minor.
For the 17, I swapped the slide stop with the extended style stop that comes with the 34 and changed the sights to TNS because I wanted a three dot sight since that is what I'm used to.
For the 34, I only swapped out the sights to Trijicon HD sights with the bright orange ring on the front site post. Only 50 rounds through it so far, but I'm liking it. I won't be able to shoot USPSA (with MPPL) again until July, so it will be a while until I get to run the 34 in competition.
Other than that, I'm planning on leaving the guns the way they came out of the box. I don't mind the triggers and I'd probably mess it up if I tried to tinker with them.
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I was just messin' with ya Inspector. I think it's great to work on your own guns doing your own mods. Good luck.
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I've pretty much built a Glock with no Glock parts. I think the only real Glock parts are the extractor and trigger.
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I was just messin' with ya Inspector.
I'm a little slow sometimes! :rofl:
What actually got me to thinking about modifying it happened one day at the range. I was in a zone one day and shot 50 rounds through one target and I would say 40+ of them went into a 4" group and the rest into a 6" group. All slow fire. The guy next to me asked me what I had and I told him. Then he asked what I had done to modify it. When I told him I had not done anything he asked to look at it since I am sure he didn't believe me. After a quick inspection I offered to let him shoot it which he turned down. Mind you I was shooting cheap Chinese Practice/Plinking Ammo, not my reloads. He let me shoot his heavily modded 1911 which I really enjoyed. So I went home and started looking up Glock mods.
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I'd love to know how the future mods go and how it shoots after.
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I have a Glock 17 and 22 Gen 4 and I would like to and an easier smoother trigger and a heavier firing rod for a little more weight. Any suggestions on brands?
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I have a Glock 17 and 22 Gen 4 and I would like to and an easier smoother trigger and a heavier firing rod for a little more weight. Any suggestions on brands?
I have been looking through Brownells and Glockworx. Brownells will ship fairly inexpensively. I decided to use Lone Wolf Products because from what most reviews I found they seem to be the best balance of performance and price. Make sure if you get a new recoil spring with a stainless steel rod that you get the standard strength spring. Some places will allow you to order the guide rod with different strength springs. And unless you are shooting lower powered loads you want to keep the standard strength spring.
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I have a Glock 17 and 22 Gen 4 and I would like to and an easier smoother trigger and a heavier firing rod for a little more weight. Any suggestions on brands?
I don't recommend getting a lighter trigger for your Glock.
As the song goes... "love the one you're with"
The Glock trigger in its stock form can be shot accurately and quickly.
It is made the way it is as a safety precaution.
People that start fiddling with their triggers are circumventing a planned safety feature.
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thanks alot for the help guys, I will definitely take that info into good use. I will just get use to the trigger and check out those web sites. Thanks again!! :thumbsup:
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....It is made the way it is as a safety precaution.
People that start fiddling with their triggers are circumventing a planned safety feature.
So KK,
Where are you getting this from? Send me a link please. I Have been through Glock's website and no where do I see a heavier trigger touted as a safety feature or part of the entire list of safety features. Not trying to start an argument but I would like to know what you have read that makes you say this. I know that NY has decided that a heavier then stock trigger is safer than the stock trigger weight. But I don't think that is what you are saying here, right?
I have done nothing more nor different to my trigger than Glock has already done to the model 17L and 34. My trigger pull (and the method I used to obtain it) is no different in weight and no different than the way Glock modified the triggers on the aforementioned models. The only difference is that I didn't use Glock brand parts to get to the same weight. I have not touched nor modified any of the safety features of the gun or trigger.
I want to understand what it is about what I have done to my trigger to make it less safe?
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Hi Inspector, I have no experience about this but I had read somewhere that a light trigger pull is not safe in the event of home defense situations... something about being careful with letting it go below 5 lbs.
With adrenalin high and walking around in the dark, I hear that one might end up pulling he trigger inadvertently if startled, possibly shooting something or someone unintentionally.
That was the thing I thought about when I first read that comment from KK.
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Hello Inspector, a simple internet search will net you dozens of articles pertaining to light triggers and negligent discharges.
Here's just one. http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/trigger-pull-weight/ (http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/trigger-pull-weight/)
I've been shooting competitively since the 80's. I've seen dozens of negligent (inadvertent) discharges. Every single time, it is from a pistol that has had its trigger made lighter by the user.
While that is not the "definitive evidence" you may require, I know first hand that the lighter a trigger gets, the greater the chance of an ND.
Bear in mind that the 17L and 34 are NOT designed as home defense firearms. They were specifically made to compete in pistol competitions where the shooters attempt to shave milliseconds by lightening their triggers.
As far as "less safe", until you've experienced a light trigger ND, you'll not know the difference. Almost like the driver of a "Pinto" won't know he's in a death trap until he's been in a 50mph accident
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Hello Inspector, a simple internet search will net you dozens of articles pertaining to light triggers and negligent discharges.
Here's just one. http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/trigger-pull-weight/ (http://vickerstactical.com/tactical-tips/trigger-pull-weight/)
I've been shooting competitively since the 80's. I've seen dozens of negligent (inadvertent) discharges. Every single time, it is from a pistol that has had its trigger made lighter by the user.
While that is not the "definitive evidence" you may require, I know first hand that the lighter a trigger gets, the greater the chance of an ND.
Bear in mind that the 17L and 34 are NOT designed as home defense firearms. They were specifically made to compete in pistol competitions where the shooters attempt to shave milliseconds by lightening their triggers.
As far as "less safe", until you've experienced a light trigger ND, you'll not know the difference. Almost like the driver of a "Pinto" won't know he's in a death trap until he's been in a 50mph accident
Hey KK,
You know its funny you used this article as an example because it really doesn't back up what you are trying to say against the facts here. Let me explain.
First I want to say that I totally agree with you about lightening a trigger can increase the possibility of ND. I have not and will not disagree with you about this. But there facts here which you are making assumptions about that don't really apply. First your article says ">As a general rule a serious use pistol should have a trigger no lighter than 4 pounds and ideally no more than 6 pounds." And then it goes on to say "A perfect example would be a Glock 17 with a factory stock trigger that weighs approx 5 pounds....." My factory stock trigger was closer to 6 pounds and the Glock 34 and 17L are closer to 5 pounds. So even the Glock Competition Guns have an acceptable trigger for self defense according to the article you provided. If you read what I have done is lowered the pull to 4lbs 10oz. It is certainly not a light trigger by any stretch of the imagination. And certainly within the realm of being okay for self defense according to this article that you provided. But let's dive further into this article. It also says "In addition a trigger below 4 lbs can easily lead to accidental discharges under conditions of stress." You say one thing but the article you provided seems to say something else. There are numerous guns on the market that come stock with a 5 pound or less trigger. So I am not sure how all this applies?
The reason I am not sure how all this applies is because I believe (and correct me if I am wrong) you are assuming I intend to use this pistol for self defense. At least that what I am getting from your writing and the article you referred here. If you read what I have written about my Glock 17 you will know this is nothing more than a project for me. I never said I intend to use this pistol for self defense. I am not so stupid that I would rely on a project or competition type pistol for self defense purposes. So please do not make this assumption. This particular pistol will always be used as a slow fire practice pistol at the range 5 rounds at a time. And if I ever decide to do anything else with it I will put back to stock because I agree with your concerns about ND.
I respect your decision to keep your Glock trigger stock. That is your decision to make for your own situation. And I appreciate your concern over lightening a trigger increases the chance of ND. I guess I am not understanding what the big deal here is considering the facts? Let's face it, my trigger is not light by anyone's standards. I still have to pull the trigger to fully cock the striker since it is only half cocked before the trigger pull. In other words it is not like I can just brush the trigger with my finger or something and have the gun go off. I have to deliberately pull the trigger all the way to make it go off. The weight of the trigger is within an acceptable range even for self defense according to the article you provided. The gun will never be used for SD and will only be slow fired. Chances are that any ND that may occur with my Glock 17 would occur whether the trigger has been lightened or not. The ND is on me and my negligence, not the glock trigger weight. In the case of the Glock a ND is much harder to occur due to the safe action trigger. A ND has to occur by pulling that trigger and cocking the striker the rest of the way. Not a brush or even a slight squeeze. If you were talking about a revolver or SA gun of some sort with a 2 or 3 pound trigger I would certainly understand your concern.
Just so you know my SD gun is a non modified Ruger Security Six Revolver in Stainless Steel. I even kept the factory rubber grips on it.
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I was thinking about a 3.5 lb connecter as well. 4.5 pull sounds perfect. Thx for posting this topic.
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Ultimately, it's your gun. Do whatever you want with it.
The reality is that practice makes perfect.
If you can't make a basket, practice, don't lower the basket.
If you can't pass a test, study, don't lower the standard.
If you don't shoot a Glock well. Practice, don't lower the trigger weight.
For me, when it comes to guns, I refuse to do anything that compromises safety.
If your gun has a 4.5lb trigger pull, that's actually not bad. If you, like a lot of people, have a sub 3lb trigger pull, you're (in my opinion) compromising safety.
As far as nitpicking the random article I posted, I could easily post 100 articles about how extremely light triggers contribute to ND's but I don't have the desire to waste my time researching something I already know.
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Hi Inspector, I have no experience about this but I had read somewhere that a light trigger pull is not safe in the event of home defense situations... something about being careful with letting it go below 5 lbs.
With adrenalin high and walking around in the dark, I hear that one might end up pulling he trigger inadvertently if startled, possibly shooting something or someone unintentionally.
That was the thing I thought about when I first read that comment from KK.
Howzit JI808,
I agree with you and the blanket statement made by KK about lightening a trigger pull will increase the possibility of ND. We don't don't disagree there. I think that care should be taken when doing any work on any gun. I don't use the Glock for Self Defense so lightening the trigger for target work like one would for a target pistol makes sense. I am pretty good with that Glock. I have put many thousands of rounds through it. Practiced with it since the early 90's. I have gone as far as I can with it. Now I want to do a little better with it. It may be I can do no better with it. But I intend to try. I am saving the stock parts so I can put it back to stock some day.
As long as we are talking about this I want to say that no one should rely on a modified gun for self defense. Unless that gun needed modifying just to be reliable. I believe that any gun used for self defense should remain as stock as possible. Especially the trigger.
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I was thinking about a 3.5 lb connecter as well. 4.5 pull sounds perfect. Thx for posting this topic.
Just remember that even though the pull will be lighter, the feel and the length of pull will remain the same essentially.
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Cleaning it..........
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Waiting for my permit to acquire before I can do anything to my Glock :(
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Cleaning it..........
:rofl:
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my buddy sent me this vid of some cool glock mods for the tactical shooter. we run our glocks stock but these mods are something to think about. check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gSQYoaeI3E&sns=em (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gSQYoaeI3E&sns=em)
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Sweeeeeet :D
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Warren Tactical Sights: Definitely prefer these to the stock Glock sights.
Extended Mag Release: Has really helped with depressing that small-ass mag release button!
I've gotten accustomed to the trigger pull, so otherwise, stock!
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currently only have Trijicon HD night sights
will be buying:
guide rod w/spring. probably tungsten
extended mag release
extended slide release (I really really don't like the stock one)
grip plug
streamlight light
...oh and shooting it! just ordered a case of ammo :D
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I finally got some good range time in with the new trigger set up today. I have to say based on my lack of shooting ability I think I was able to improve my times to first shot and second shot. The lighter trigger and adjustable over travel has really transformed this gun from a good shooter to a better shooting gun. While I was considering lightening the trigger a little more I think I will keep it where it is now at 4lbs 10oz. This trigger will never be a warmed over 1911 single action trigger but these two minor things of replacing the stock connector with a 3.5lb. connector and adding in adjustable over travel has made a huge difference in the way it shoots for me.
I think my next mods are going to be an extended slide release, mag release and better sights.
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Range time today has convinced me I need a lighter trigger
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My trigger on my glock is just under 2lbs ;D i feel safer with a lighter trigger.
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Sights, 3.5 (-) connector, standard spring, extended slide stop, polish job, is pretty standard for my Glocks. Stippling, shaving and re-contour trigger guard, finger groove delete, rear hump removal would be more unusual but I do that at times also.
I will note that I have no big issue with a standard 5.5 but I do want the sight, extended slide stop and polish job.
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Sights, 3.5 (-) connector, standard spring, extended slide stop, polish job, is pretty standard for my Glocks. Stippling, shaving and re-contour trigger guard, finger groove delete, rear hump removal would be more unusual but I do that at times also.
I will note that I have no big issue with a standard 5.5 but I do want the sight, extended slide stop and polish job.
got pics of your mods? are you the guy on youtube? just wondering :shaka:
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got pics of your mods? are you the guy on youtube? just wondering :shaka:
Oddly enough, my Glocks are set up just like this one guy on youtube. :)
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What kind of connector and slide release are you guys using? I was thinking of lone wolf 3.5 con and Sure touch slide release
I was considering a ghost connector but I've read mixed reviews
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I got a ghost trig connector. Worx pretty good for me. :shaka:
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Ghost ultimate installed. Can't wait to try it out next week
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The only firearm I have that has ever been shot twice in a row on accident is my glock 22. It has a reduced trigger connector.
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Only thing I've done was slap a talon grip on her a couple years back. Awesome traction and holding up quite well :shaka:
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The only firearm I have that has ever been shot twice in a row on accident is my glock 22. It has a reduced trigger connector.
which one do you have on there?
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Still just cleaning it.......
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The only firearm I have that has ever been shot twice in a row on accident is my glock 22. It has a reduced trigger connector.
If we eliminate that this was induced by the shooter, we must look at the connector, any modification to the connector or associated parts and the actual installation. A reduced or minus connector that is within spec and installed correctly should not cause an issue. What connector? Any other work to the connector? Who installed it? You might want to have it looked and especially the angle of the connector as it sits within the trigger mechanism housing.
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I bought an Accurate Arms .22 conversion kit for my G34. It functions OK with the recommended ammo, but it's not very accurate :grrr:
Also, Meprolight Tru-Dot sights for the G34. Those I really like.
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I bought an Accurate Arms .22 conversion kit for my G34. It functions OK with the recommended ammo, but it's not very accurate :grrr:
Also, Meprolight Tru-Dot sights for the G34. Those I really like.
Is it accurate arms or advantage arms?
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Recently, I added the following:
JP Enterprises Extended Magazine Release
Glock Extended Slide Release
I had a chance to take my Glock to the HRA Shoot on Sunday. I have to say that everything works very well on my gun. The trigger, reset, limited over travel allowed me to shoot it faster and with more control than I thought I was possible of doing. I don't get much of a chance to practice anything other than slow fire. So when I do get the chance this is the gun I choose most often. So far I am very happy with the trigger modifications I have done. I may not replace the entire trigger now that I know how well it shoots.
I already had an Aro-Tek Extended Slide Release on my gun. It was an exact duplicate of the original Glock OEM piece only it was longer. It did not extend out from the frame any farther than stock. I had shot someone else's Glock 17 that had a Glock Extended Slide Release and I liked it so much I decided to replace the Aro-Tek unit I had on it for many years. The Glock Extended Slide Release is not necessarily longer than the stock OEM piece. But it does protrude out from the frame with a nub that is just enough to get a good purchase on it with my thumb. Yet it is not so much and smooth enough to not snag or even rub on my holster.
At the same time I also installed a JP Enterprises Extended Magazine Release. This piece is well made but is not an attractive piece. Once installed it looks sort of out of place. With that said I have always had to shift the gun in my hand slightly (or use my left thumb) to depress the stock magazine release. Most extended magazine releases only extend out farther from the frame than stock. But the J.P. Enterprises piece not only extends out from the frame but it extends back towards my thumb. Now for the first time I can depress the mag release without having to shift the gun in my hand or use my offhand thumb. There were two things I was concerned with after installing this piece. First thing I was concerned with was accidental depression during firing and dropping the mag out during live fire. This never occurred during the 300+ rounds I shot through it on Sunday. The second thing I was worried about was it hitting/rubbing/snagging on my holster. I can tell you that it did not even come close to touching or rubbing on my holster. I am using a Blackhawk! Serpa Holster. There was another consequence of now being able to drop my magazines quicker and that I found myself not being to load a new mag as quickly. So it looks like a mag well piece will be a future purchase.
Next mod is a set of Tru-Glow front and rear sights. I have them already but have not had the time to borrow the tool, install them and get to the range to sight the gun in. Plus, as stated earlier I am going to ad a mag well piece.
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I bought an Accurate Arms .22 conversion kit for my G34. It functions OK with the recommended ammo, but it's not very accurate :grrr:
Also, Meprolight Tru-Dot sights for the G34. Those I really like.
is it just a matter of the sights having to be adjusted? or is it something that can't be corrected? i was thinking of getting the advantage arms conversion for my 34 as well. sounds like it is supposed to be better than the tactical solutions conversion kit.
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my ultimate 3.5 trigger has been great so far
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my ultimate 3.5 trigger has been great so far
I didn't polish my 3.5 lb connector before I installed. So I think I'll take it back out and do that to see if it improves the crunchiness of it.
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I didn't polish my 3.5 lb connector before I installed. So I think I'll take it back out and do that to see if it improves the crunchiness of it.
which one do you have?
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which one do you have?
I went with the Wolf. There was a lot of high praise for it and it was in the low to mid price range.
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Is it accurate arms or advantage arms?
Advantage Arms, sorry. It's not the sights, which are adjustable to a certain degree. It shoots to point of aim, but the groups are 4-5 ins at 15 yds with Remington Golden Bullet ammo. I also tried CCI Mini-Mags with the same results.
I was hoping to get another .22 without going through the BS here, but in hindsight, I should have bought a Ruger MK II/III, or maybe a Browning Buckmark.
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I really want to do a 3.5 connector and a .25c trigger job. Please lmk how the polishing goes inspector
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I really want to do a 3.5 connector and a .25c trigger job. Please lmk how the polishing goes inspector
I'll let you know when I do the polishing. I think the 3.5lb connector is worth it even if you don't do the polishing, though.
I'll keep everyone up to date. :shaka:
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1.Swapped out the serrated trigger bar to a smooth trigger bar on my G19
2. Mepro night sights
3. stainless guide rod
Good to go.
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Looks like I need add some trijicon hd sights to my 30sf
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I recently swapped out the sights on my 17 FDE to the Redback One glock sights. Will need to get a taller front sight from 10-8 performance as it is shooting consistently 4-5" high at 25 yards even using a 6 o'clock hold. I tried shooting from a rest and I still get a consistent grouping about 4 " high. Not a big deal though. Sights are very solid otherwise, so much so that it's almost a pain to adjust the rear sight.