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Title: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: 808S10 on August 02, 2019, 03:43:49 AM
Where do you guys meet potential buyers when selling a pistol. I  can’t do it at my house, the wife doesn’t want people she don’t know around.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: macsak on August 02, 2019, 05:27:08 AM
Where do you guys meet potential buyers when selling a pistol. I  can’t do it at my house, the wife doesn’t want people she don’t know around.

HPD
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: Platinum808 on August 02, 2019, 06:29:02 AM
Meet at a local gun store if its closer
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: oldfart on August 02, 2019, 06:41:24 AM
A shooting range that is open.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: oldfart on August 02, 2019, 06:47:39 AM
Your workplace, if it is not against company policy.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 02, 2019, 08:46:03 AM
Remember HI law has a places to keep written in it.  So although you can keep/show the gun at your home or business, the buying party cannot posses it there.  It is not their  home or their place of business.  Unless you allow the buying party to "sleep over", but if they change their mind and don't sleep over after the transaction is done, then that's OK too.

So most meet at HPD or the range which is neutral for both you and the receiving party.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 02, 2019, 10:45:15 AM
Meet at a local gun store if its closer

Not a good option unless you first get the owner's permission. 

They pay for that location to make a profit selling guns and supplies, not to facilitate private party sales of other people's guns.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: yurcarmeean on August 02, 2019, 10:53:35 AM
HPD

where do you show the gun exactly at HPD?  inside the doors?  or outside but on HPD premises?  it would be weird to pull out a firearm from case in front of HPD
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 02, 2019, 10:59:53 AM
where do you show the gun exactly at HPD?  inside the doors?  or outside but on HPD premises?  it would be weird to pull out a firearm from case in front of HPD

Uncase and clear it inside the firearm registration room where the clearing station is.

If it's not too crowded, show it in there.

There's also the corner of the outer room where the sink is, just past the inking glass for fingerprints.  Not in direct line of sight of the records personnel behind the glass wall.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: oldfart on August 02, 2019, 11:15:43 AM
Since the title of this thread is SHOWING a gun for sale, your options are narrow.
I would not go to a gun store unless my friend works there.
A gunsmith would be a good place assuming the gunsmith is going to check it.
I would not go to HPD either. ....very bad idea.
A legal option would be to rent a hotel room so it becomes a place of sojourn.
A stretch would be the airport since it is legal to take your gun to the airport.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 02, 2019, 11:29:01 AM
Since the title of this thread is SHOWING a gun for sale, your options are narrow.
I would not go to a gun store unless my friend works there.
A gunsmith would be a good place assuming the gunsmith is going to check it.
I would not go to HPD either. ....very bad idea.
A legal option would be to rent a hotel room so it becomes a place of sojourn.
A stretch would be the airport since it is legal to take your gun to the airport.

If the firearm is registered with HPD, taking the firearm to show and then have the buyer apply for his pistol permit makes HPD a good choice.  It also allows the officer taking the application to get the owner's info directly. 

I don't understand the "very bad idea" comment.  Please explain.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: oldfart on August 02, 2019, 12:20:51 PM
If the firearm is registered with HPD, taking the firearm to show and then have the buyer apply for his pistol permit makes HPD a good choice.  It also allows the officer taking the application to get the owner's info directly. 

I don't understand the "very bad idea" comment.  Please explain.
....
You go into the registration room but you don't really have any official business bringing your gun with you  since you're just there to show it to a potential buyer.
So you whip the gun out in the corner of the room and your possible buyer starts handling it in front of a half dozen nervous cops.
Even if the buyer agrees to purchase it, there was no real need for the gun to be there.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 02, 2019, 02:21:17 PM
....
You go into the registration room but you don't really have any official business bringing your gun with you  since you're just there to show it to a potential buyer.
So you whip the gun out in the corner of the room and your possible buyer starts handling it in front of a half dozen nervous cops.
Even if the buyer agrees to purchase it, there was no real need for the gun to be there.

There're no reasons included in the statute.  It just says the police station is a legal place to which you can transport firearms.

Show me in the law where there's an "authorized purpose" required when carrying firearms between lawful places.

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[§134-23]  Place to keep loaded firearms other than pistols and revolvers; penalty.  (a)  Except as provided in section 134-5, all firearms shall be confined to the possessor's place of business, residence, or sojourn; provided that it shall be lawful to carry unloaded firearms in an enclosed container from the place of purchase to the purchaser's place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places upon change of place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places and the following:

     (1)  A place of repair;

     (2)  A target range;

     (3)  A licensed dealer's place of business;

     (4)  An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;

     (5)  A place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or

     (6)  A police station.

     "Enclosed container" means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm.

     (b)  Any person violating this section by carrying or possessing a loaded firearm other than a pistol or revolver shall be guilty of a class B felony. [L 2006, c 66, pt of §1]
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: 808S10 on August 02, 2019, 03:42:02 PM
Thanks guys. I think I’ll go to HPD. It would make it easier for the buyer to apply for the permit. The only thing  is going there and the person is not interested in buying. Then having to go back if someone else is interested.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: jc2721 on August 02, 2019, 04:35:29 PM
Thanks guys. I think I’ll go to HPD. It would make it easier for the buyer to apply for the permit. The only thing  is going there and the person is not interested in buying. Then having to go back if someone else is interested.
That's the price you pay if you don't want to sell it through a shop, or in your case the spouse doesn't want strangers coming to your house to look at guns (I can't really fault her logic there).  I once went to a guy's house to look at a 1911 and he had it out on the coffee table with loaded magazines laying next to the piece!

The range seems to be a good location but you should make it clear up front if you'll allow test firing.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: stangzilla on August 02, 2019, 04:58:48 PM
I wouldn't show my firearm to someone I don't know at my house, i'd rather go kokohead.  bc I don't want an unfamiliar person to know where I live and that I have firearms in the house.
or if they say they'll take it without seeing it, i'd go HPD and just do the transaction there
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: rklapp on August 03, 2019, 08:27:25 PM
I've sold one rifle here and met the buyer at the range to prove that it shoots tight groups. The sale at HPD thing always puzzled me. Does seem like a bad idea.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: Direjackalope on August 03, 2019, 10:41:39 PM
Based on the cocksuckery that I"ve experienced from HPD i would care to keep my firearms sales as isolated from them as possible.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: Heavies on August 04, 2019, 04:54:09 AM
Best and easiest is to meet at the range to show a firearm to a potential buyer. 

Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 04, 2019, 12:06:12 PM
I've met people selling guns

at their home,
at HPD,
and at the range.

The officers see people inspecting each others' firearms there all the time.  When someone comes in with an unusual, old, or badass weapon, people ask if they can see it.  The Cops don't care.

Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: drck1000 on August 04, 2019, 02:46:43 PM
I’ve even seen cops at the paperwork and registration side oogling the guns that come in. Some are very much gun guys and get tempted with some of the nice guns coming in. One guy even ended up buying a River Redhawk .44 Mag after he was helping me transfer ownership of my dad’s.

They tend to get a bad rap and seems like some very much deserved. I will just say that recent experience with two specific officers was great as both went way out of their way to help me. I’ll just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: 19pontiac79 on August 06, 2019, 08:29:12 PM
I met up at hpd to acquire a revolver that I bought at the gun show with my own case. I expected to go into the firearms office to make the swap. He wanted to keep his gun rug ??? Nope whipped out right there at little in from the top of stairs in the shade and handed it to me after he signed the back of the permit! I had a  :wtf: moment. But we didn't get shot as I am writing this and I'm not a convicted felon either.
 :shaka:
Title: Re: Showing a gun for sale
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 07, 2019, 10:11:31 AM
Imagine trying to fit a MG42 under the glass.  Sorry brah, no fit and spit no work.