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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: rustyeleio on August 04, 2019, 12:07:04 AM
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/04/dayton-shooting-ohio-oregon-district-el-paso-shooting/1914440001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/04/dayton-shooting-ohio-oregon-district-el-paso-shooting/1914440001/)
That's three in the last week. Two in 24 hours. Dayton is pretty loose on the firearm laws so this will be used against us.
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The question that needs to be asked is, Was it a soft target like all the other so called mass shootings?
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The question that needs to be asked is, Was it a soft target like all the other so called mass shootings?
The El Paso murderer has a paragraph in his "manifesto" concerning targets that addresses that very issue (assume most of the others think roughly the same way):
Remember: it is not cowardly to pick low hanging fruit. AKA Don’t attack heavily guarded areas to fulfill
your super soldier COD fantasy. Attack low security targets. Even though you might out gun a security
guard or police man, they likely beat you in armor, training and numbers. Do not throw away your life
on an unnecessarily dangerous target. If a target seems too hot, live to fight another day.
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Democrat debates are going on, so adding gas to the 2nd Amendment fight just feeds them.
Still convinced these are connected, organized events.
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In this chart of mass shootings by state from 1982 to 2019, it showed Hawai’i had one. That must have been the Uyesugi Xerox shooting.
In any case, expect a lot of demand of guns being taken from law abiding citizens because they cannot take them from those that don’t obey the law. Many liberals are blaming Trump. Poor Donald, gets blamed for everything bad, gets credited for nothing good.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/811541/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-state/
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In this chart of mass shootings by state from 1982 to 2019, it showed Hawai’i had one. That must have been the Uyesugi Xerox shooting.
In any case, expect a lot of demand of guns being taken from law abiding citizens because they cannot take them from those that don’t obey the law. Many liberals are blaming Trump. Poor Donald, gets blamed for everything bad, gets credited for nothing good.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/811541/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-state/
Well, that can't be right. According to that statistical graphic there have been 111 "mass shootings" ("4 or more people killed") in the United States in the past 37 YEARS... while the civilian disarmament advocates all cite 340 mass shootings PER YEAR (which would be 12,580 during that time period... a difference of 113 TIMES as many).
That statistica site won't reveal either "about this statistic" or "source" without giving them money. Pretty much validates Twain's assertion: "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."
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Reports now claiming his sister was among the nine killed. Coincidence?
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DNCs epstein distraction. MK ultra. Nothing is a coincidence.
#tinfoil
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The question that needs to be asked is, Was it a soft target like all the other so called mass shootings?
Appears to be a somewhat hard target. Took place in a nightlife area and police took him down in a minute. So I assume it's like Waikiki with officers patrolling around. Also Ohio allows CCW in bars though prohibits carrying while under the influence, though I suppose bars could prohibit carry. Open carry of handguns and long guns is permitted without a permit.
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Democrat debates are going on, so adding gas to the 2nd Amendment fight just feeds them.
Still convinced these are connected, organized events.
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at the very least, I suspect msm-fueled copycat killings.
dammit, I forgot to buy more tinfoil
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It's a tragedy that 29 innocent people died in the mass shootings in 24 hours at the hands of 2 deranged individuals. Lets not lose focus that these 2 people are 100% to blame for those deaths.
These two shootings took place in two of the most gun friendliest states. The Walmart appears to allow CCW and the Ohio incident took place on the street. Myself and I'm sure many others are hoping that a CCW holder would've come to the rescue but they didn't. These incidents happen quickly and perhaps a CCW holder doesn't have time to assess the situation or faces overwhelming firepower. I wouldn't confront a madman with a AR15 or AK47 with my Glock 43 unless I had perfect positioning/backup or knew 100% that I was going to die.
All of these shooters tend to be outcasts or extremist which is a problem with our changing society. Perhaps people don't learn how to deal with problems growing up. Or it's easier for society to cast someone out instead of dealing with their problems and giving them someone to talk to. Also people and the media, on both sides, tends to focus on extreme things that get attention instead of putting things into perspective or telling the whole story. This seems to make matters worse and some people feed off of it in bad ways.
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Read both the sister and her boyfriend killed. What are the odds of that happening due to random chance? The couple "just happened" to be where he decided to commit mass murder? Incest gone bad? Boyfriend of some "wrong" category, like race?
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I think we spend too much effort assigning logical, rational reasoning to the acts of people that are just irrational and insane.
We should be looking into what caused their thought processes to be so abnormal that they committed mass murder. Their stated reasons are almost never the actual reasons (e.g. "the neighbor's dog ordered me to kill").
Mental illness caused by physical or emotional defect, illness intensified by psychotropic drugs, genetic predisposition to sociopathic/psychopathic behavior, .... those are causes. Having access to firearms is not a cause, but a contributing factor. Removing a factor doesn't mitigate the cause. A determined killer finds a way no matter what.
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Reports now claiming his sister was among the nine killed. Coincidence?
Reports are that his sister was a "Coal burner".
Shooter was a registered Democrat.
Guess he didn't like her boyfriends.
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looks like an SBR was used
https://www.foxnews.com/us/dayton-ohio-shooting-massacre-bar (https://www.foxnews.com/us/dayton-ohio-shooting-massacre-bar)
(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/08/1862/1048/Firearm-used.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
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looks like an SBR was used
I hadn't read that. I did read it was an AR platform.
All I can say is we are lucky most these shooters aren't
military trained or do those fancy civilian SD courses.
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Videos, pics, and description of the incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf3XrWxI3T8?t=4123
Looks like there were a lot of police officers in the area, with some responding with shotguns and rifles. Quick response and they rushed onto the scene. Good job by the police to take out the gunman. The gunman was taken down as he was enteingr a building where people ran into. Death count would've been much higher if he got into the building.
This is a scary scenario with his rifle, drum mag, and body armor. I believe he had hearing protection on too which showed it was planned well and he has some training with firearms. Doesn't appear to have received tactical training or else this could've gone on much longer.
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Intersting, some people found connor died in 2014...
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Appears to be a somewhat hard target. Took place in a nightlife area and police took him down in a minute. So I assume it's like Waikiki with officers patrolling around. Also Ohio allows CCW in bars though prohibits carrying while under the influence, though I suppose bars could prohibit carry. Open carry of handguns and long guns is permitted without a permit.
Betcha that’s gonna change.....
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Betcha that’s gonna change.....
Of course, they gotta make the law abiding citizen pay.
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We as the gun community need to come up with a better idea to address these shootings and figure out how to prevent them.
At this rate we are going to lose AR15 type weapons.
We need to study this phenomenon intensively, try to find out what went on inside these people's heads, the warning signs, the motivations, etc. Trump signed a bill that allows the CDC to conduct gun violence research so hopefully that will produce some useful information.
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We as the gun community need to come up with a better idea to address these shootings and figure out how to prevent them.
At this rate we are going to lose AR15 type weapons.
We need to study this phenomenon intensively, try to find out what went on inside these people's heads, the warning signs, the motivations, etc. Trump signed a bill that allows the CDC to conduct gun violence research so hopefully that will produce some useful information.
Gun community can't do squat at this point.
Both political parties refuse to investigate the real causes of these atrocities, and refuse to address the reasons. They have zero interest in abiding their oaths and zero interest in individual freedom at this point.
It's pretty much over for free America.
That's my opinion
I hope I'm wrong, but that's my opinion.
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We know a common denominator, but the media and others refuse to focus on it. Events are used to grab guns plain and simple.
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Gun community can't do squat at this point.
Both political parties refuse to investigate the real causes of these atrocities, and refuse to address the reasons. They have zero interest in abiding their oaths and zero interest in individual freedom at this point.
It's pretty much over for free America.
That's my opinion
I hope I'm wrong, but that's my opinion.
Well you and I as individuals have very little power to influence but the NRA is quite powerful. Now granted I may have missed it but I haven't seen them lobby for any sort of legislation that would go towards addressing active shooters at all.
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We know a common denominator, but the media and others refuse to focus on it. Events are used to grab guns plain and simple.
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What do you think is the common denominator? Nearly all of them are male but I don't think that is what you were getting at.
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What do you think is the common denominator? Nearly all of them are male but I don't think that is what you were getting at.
Dig deeper.
Give a man a fish...
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What do you think is the common denominator? Nearly all of them are male but I don't think that is what you were getting at.
It's not hard to see at all if you just look at it all. Of course it has zero to do with guns, however, No sense in spelling it out. If the government want to go all tyrannical, discussing it won't do much.
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Dig deeper.
Give a man a fish...
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Well I can list a few more but it would be easier if you just tell me which one you think is such a signifiant factor.
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We as the gun community need to come up with a better idea to address these shootings and figure out how to prevent them.
This was an awful tragedy but let's put things into perspective. The 2nd amendment is always the scapegoat when it comes to rights and saving lives.
To save lives we could...
Restrict of freedom of speech so the news can't sensationalize issues and ban speech the majority don't agree with.
Ban religion.
Remove due process so it's easier to put people in prison or institutionalize them.
Practice cruel and unusual punishment as a deterrent and ensure criminals can't harm anyone again.
And so on. Any of those would be comparable to banning assault rifles to save lives.
There are other things society can work on...
Teach personal responsibility and morals
end the entitlement mindset.
Promote self defense and end reliance on the police
Promote success and achievement
Bring back community involvement instead of relying on government.
Compassion and helping others.
And so on....
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This was an awful tragedy but let's put things into perspective. The 2nd amendment is always the scapegoat when it comes to rights and saving lives.
To save lives we could...
Restrict of freedom of speech so the news can't sensationalize issues and ban speech the majority don't agree with.
Ban religion.
Remove due process so it's easier to put people in prison or institutionalize them.
Practice cruel and unusual punishment as a deterrent and ensure criminals can't harm anyone again.
And so on. Any of those would be comparable to banning assault rifles to save lives.
There are other things society can work on...
Teach personal responsibility and morals
end the entitlement mindset.
Promote self defense and end reliance on the police
Promote success and achievement
Bring back community involvement instead of relying on government.
Compassion and helping others.
And so on....
You mean how Venuzuala did when they started their gun confiscation in 06?
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So Ohio supported Bernie and Warren. And Antifa. Bet this disappears.
Some found an old obituary that showed the shooter died in 2014. Pic and everything. #tinfoil
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Trump won Ohio in 2016.
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Trump won Ohio in 2016.
Refereed to Ohio as in the shooting location. The shooter supported Bernie and Warren and Antifa.
Interesting how the FBI labeled Q and tinfoils as terrorist. 2 days later all these shootings, and in red states.
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This was an awful tragedy but let's put things into perspective. The 2nd amendment is always the scapegoat when it comes to rights and saving lives.
To save lives we could...
Restrict of freedom of speech so the news can't sensationalize issues and ban speech the majority don't agree with.
Ban religion.
Remove due process so it's easier to put people in prison or institutionalize them.
Practice cruel and unusual punishment as a deterrent and ensure criminals can't harm anyone again.
And so on. Any of those would be comparable to banning assault rifles to save lives.
There are other things society can work on...
Teach personal responsibility and morals
end the entitlement mindset.
Promote self defense and end reliance on the police
Promote success and achievement
Bring back community involvement instead of relying on government.
Compassion and helping others.
And so on....
"Teach personal responsibility and morals
end the entitlement mindset.
Promote self defense and end reliance on the police
Promote success and achievement
Bring back community involvement instead of relying on government.
Compassion and helping others.
And so on...."
How do you propose to get rid of Democrats to accomplish your
suggestions?
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Practice cruel and unusual punishment as a deterrent and ensure criminals can't harm anyone again.
Put me in charge of that one. I have ideas that probably have not been tried before, like hanging them naked 35 ft in front of my wood chipper and blasting them with wood chips but stop before they die. Don’t want the fun to end too soon.
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They should make it every person and immediate family who was affected (dead or wounded) gets to chose 1 form of punishment. Skys the limit. But it will be a lottery as to who goes in what order. Especially if there are 40+ people affected. You can also sell you turn in line to another victim if you wish.