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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: drck1000 on October 02, 2019, 08:32:35 PM
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I'm shopping around for an ITAR item online. I've ordered many and have received many. Tonight, I try to order a scope that is an ITAR item and Midway won't ship to Hawaii, citing International. Then another site was classifying my zip code as "International". :wtf:
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I'm shopping around for an ITAR item online. I've ordered many and have received many. Tonight, I try to order a scope that is an ITAR item and Midway won't ship to Hawaii, citing International. Then another site was classifying my zip code as "International". OCCUPIED :wtf:
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Quote from: drck1000 on Today at 08:32:35 PM
I'm shopping around for an ITAR item online. I've ordered many and have received many. Tonight, I try to order a scope that is an ITAR item and Midway won't ship to Hawaii, citing International. Then another site was classifying my zip code as "International". OCCUPIED DISTRESSED
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https://youtu.be/CDDEvX5MDjA
They consider people undesirables for using app
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If it's worth your time, call them to place the order. If not, shop elsewhere.
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If it's worth your time, call them to place the order. If not, shop elsewhere.
If you’re talking about Midway, I’ve heard the “call them” many times. In this case, it was just interesting about ITAR restriction. I believe many sites classify Hawaii as international for shipping classification. Then there are still some people that might not be aware that Hawaii is the 50th state in the USA (other status issues aside...)
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Careful with scopes bro. Alphabet boys cracked down on some scope app. They want the usernames of the app because they also probably have the scope.
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Careful with scopes bro. Alphabet boys cracked down on some scope app. They want the usernames of the app because they also probably have the scope.
Scope apps? Don’t need no stinkin’ scope app.
Nah. But seriously, I don’t know anything about those.
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Scope apps? Don’t need no stinkin’ scope app.
Nah. But seriously, I don’t know anything about those.
Nor do you own any firearms, ammo, reloading equipment, or bodyarmor.
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Nor do you own any firearms, ammo, reloading equipment, or bodyarmor.
I gave them all to Mac ;D
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I gave them all to Mac ;D
heads
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I gave them all to Mac ;D
Wow.. you too? :o
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When I first moved here in 2008 the moving company told me it is considered an “International” move as compared to a domestic move because my container moved out of US control into international water. Then once when speaking to a Hawaiian Airlines employee they told me the flight from the mainland to Hawaii is an “International” flight because the flights enter international airspace. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying they are right. Just repeating what was told to me. Obviously, some people either are mis informed or mis interpreted certain facts.
With that in mind, I can see someone who is terrified of violating ITAR restrictions due to how arbitrary and broad they are might just err on the side of not making the sale. As an example, some websites won’t sell us 30 round mags for AR’s while others will sell us as many as we can afford. All due to the way each company interprets our restrictions.
I don’t know the ITAR restriction laws well enough to say either way. But my guess is that there is some inexperienced person making the decision not to ship here due to not having a complete understanding of the laws.
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When I first moved here in 2008 the moving company told me it is considered an “International” move as compared to a domestic move because my container moved out of US control into international water. Then once when speaking to a Hawaiian Airlines employee they told me the flight from the mainland to Hawaii is an “International” flight because the flights enter international airspace. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying they are right. Just repeating what was told to me. Obviously, some people either are mis informed or mis interpreted certain facts.
With that in mind, I can see someone who is terrified of violating ITAR restrictions due to how arbitrary and broad they are might just err on the side of not making the sale. As an example, some websites won’t sell us 30 round mags for AR’s while others will sell us as many as we can afford. All due to the way each company interprets our restrictions.
I don’t know the ITAR restriction laws well enough to say either way. But my guess is that there is some inexperienced person making the decision not to ship here due to not having a complete understanding of the laws.
I went to college with guys from Idaho that thought we grew up living in grass shacks. No kidding.
And I got my scope delivered over the weekend. ;D
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I went to college with guys from Idaho that thought we grew up living in grass shacks. No kidding.
And I got my scope delivered over the weekend. ;D
I believe it.
Congrats on the scope. We need to discuss how it happened over dinner and beer before I leave. :thumbsup:
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I believe it.
Congrats on the scope. We need to discuss how it happened over dinner and beer before I leave. :thumbsup:
For sure! Let me know what days look good for you. Been slammed lately.
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The International shipping requirements came about during Obama's (dictatorship) when the domestic shipments waiver was allowed to lapse. This is just one of the MANY things Sen. Inoye was keeping up with for Hawaii despite the negative things assosiated with him.
The result is domestic shipments need to meet International requirements. This is why ammunition can not be shipped ORM-D anymore, it no longer exists. Try ordering toilet bowl cleaners, the result is the same.
ITAR however would not affect sales to Hawaii as the restriction is for export outside of the U.S.A. The problem is website shopping carts are typically programmed for domestic and international shipping rather than distinguishing between export or domestic sales.
GENERALLY, speaking directly to a person will resolve this issue but once in a while someone ignorant is on the other end of the line. I experienced this for motorcycle parts of all things so yes, it can get stupid.
I see it as an opportunity for other businesses to win my money if the one I initially made my order with can't figure out how to keep my business.
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1) ITAR however would not affect sales to Hawaii as the restriction is for export outside of the U.S.A. The problem is website shopping carts are typically programmed for domestic and international shipping rather than distinguishing between export or domestic sales.
2) GENERALLY, speaking directly to a person will resolve this issue but once in a while someone ignorant is on the other end of the line. I experienced this for motorcycle parts of all things so yes, it can get stupid.
3) I see it as an opportunity for other businesses to win my money if the one I initially made my order with can't figure out how to keep my business.
1) Yeah. I have lots of firearm enthusiast buddies in Alaska and they encounter the same. Just stupid and one would think easily addressed.
2) Like mentioned above, can call. I've done it a couple of times. In this case, the lower price (including shipping, (no) tax, etc) was at Brownells anyways and I like them for their CS and other reasons. But just interesting what I noticed when I was shopping around and trying to factor in shipping cost.
3) I agree 100%. There are many vendors that have become "go-to" primarily for their shipping pricing and policies, as well as those I no longer bother with.