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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Surfing - Shooter on October 17, 2019, 09:28:23 PM
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Aloha All!
New to 2aHawaii - Just wondering - Are people really telling the Truth when they say they only shot 20; 50; Rounds? Dare I say - When they state Never Fired?
I'm selling a "Like New" Gun that - REALLY- Only shot about 900 Rounds ... Really ... But I'm wondering if 20 - 50 is the new 900? LOL ...
Sorry if I'm out of Line here - No disrespect - And no false accusations intended ... I'm thinking that 900 Rounds to ??? Rounds is Normal and Not Many Rounds ...
Regards,
Steve
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Aloha All!
New to 2aHawaii - Just wondering - Are people really telling the Truth when they say they only shot 20; 50; Rounds? Dare I say - When they state Never Fired?
I'm selling a "Like New" Gun that - REALLY- Only shot about 900 Rounds ... Really ... But I'm wondering if 20 - 50 is the new 900? LOL ...
Sorry if I'm out of Line here - No disrespect - And no false accusations intended ... I'm thinking that 900 Rounds to ??? Rounds is Normal and Not Many Rounds ...
Regards,
Steve
I shoot my guns, 900 rounds is normal for my firearms. When new, the first outing on say and autoloader, would get at least 100 to 200 rounds downrange, just to make myself at ease the gun is reliable and running good. A gun with 900 rounds fired would be easy to spot.
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Depends what kind of gun, say AR vs bolt gun. I keep a log of rounds, but I know many who don’t and guesstimate.
Like Heavies, with a semi-auto, 100-200 rounds is maybe 2 range trip tops. I’d say like new for me is about there.
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Aloha All!
New to 2aHawaii - Just wondering - Are people really telling the Truth when they say they only shot 20; 50; Rounds? Dare I say - When they state Never Fired?
I'm selling a "Like New" Gun that - REALLY- Only shot about 900 Rounds ... Really ... But I'm wondering if 20 - 50 is the new 900? LOL ...
Sorry if I'm out of Line here - No disrespect - And no false accusations intended ... I'm thinking that 900 Rounds to ??? Rounds is Normal and Not Many Rounds ...
Regards,
Steve
it's kinda like when you meet a new girl, and she tells you she's slept with "a few" guys
you don't know if she means 3 to 5, or a few dozen, or a few hundred
LOL
you can kinda look at someone's post count and trade count/comment history and tell if they are more likely to be truthful
but I've found that this is a pretty good community
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I wonder about that frequently when I see an ad stating 100 rounds out of a $2500 rifle. I'm not sure why people buy a $2500, shoot a couple boxes of ammo (sighting in?), then sell it. Speculation?
I shoot my guns, 900 rounds is normal for my firearms. When new, the first outing on say and autoloader, would get at least 100 to 200 rounds downrange, just to make myself at ease the gun is reliable and running good. A gun with 900 rounds fired would be easy to spot.
If under 100 rounds, the rifle oughta still look immaculate. Probably easier to spot with an AR than a bolt rifle.
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It's certainly plausible though. I know a few people who buy guns at good deals, or have so many different ones they don't shoot them at all, lose interest in that one, then want to fund something else.
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it's kinda like when you meet a new girl, and she tells you she's slept with "a few" guys
you don't know if she means 3 to 5, or a few dozen, or a few hundred
LOL
you can kinda look at someone's post count and trade count/comment history and tell if they are more likely to be truthful
but I've found that this is a pretty good community
Hey, I’ve had a way more trades than my record shows. :P
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100 rounds out of say af S&W 500 and I’m like “f this, I’m getting rid of it”. Guys like dogman on the other hand, he’s like “I’m just getting warmed up” ;D
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It's certainly plausible though. I know a few people who buy guns at good deals, or have so many different ones they don't shoot them at all, lose interest in that one, then want to fund something else.
Makes sense.
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I’ve bought and sold guns with zero to minimal rounds through them.
Lost interest or had to fund something else. (Not necessarily another gun. Sometimes life just gets in the way)
(Lot of regrets selling :rofl:)
Check number of posts is my recommendation.
Guys with pretty good post counts are reliable. Long time Members here are super cool.
I check this as a seller also.
You’ll know pretty quick if a firearm is pristine or not.
Found and given some great deals.
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Something similar. My friend pushed me to buy a motorcycle with him as he was trying to impress a girl. I bought one and still ride it a lot. My friend put about 250 miles on his and sold it 15 years later.
Guess it could happen with firearms too.
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it's kinda like when you meet a new girl, and she tells you she's slept with "a few" guys
you don't know if she means 3 to 5, or a few dozen, or a few hundred
LOL
(https://hbdchick.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/mcdonalds-1million-served2.jpg)
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I usually hear of high round counts when people claim their gun is perfect. An example is "I've put 50,000 rounds thru my Kimber 1911 and never had one malfunction".
Something in that sentence is a lie. LOL.
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100-200 rounds is maybe 2 range trip tops.[/b]
Not any range trips where I saw you. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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it's kinda like when you meet a new girl, and she tells you she's slept with "a few" guys
you don't know if she means 3 to 5, or a few dozen, or a few hundred
LOL
you can kinda look at someone's post count and trade count/comment history and tell if they are more likely to be truthful
but I've found that this is a pretty good community
Never ask a question you don't want to know the answer to. If she sleeps with you on the first date and in her 20's, assume she's in the double digits (10-20) already.
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Guns don't come with "meters" to record shots the way a car records mileage. You get what the seller gives you.
One thing to keep in mind. The seller could have a journal with the exact number of rounds he took to the range each time and whether he brought any back -- it's a good way to keep track of ones ammo inventory. If he took 2 9mm pistols that day, and shot them both evenly (e.g. one 50 rd box each), then he's going to know the round count pretty close to exact.
HOWEVER, dry-fire practice and using a laser training system with that firearm also adds to the round count. Each time he pulls the trigger on an empty chamber, a laser or a "dummy" round, it adds to the round count. Although the non-live round doesn't cause the discharge of a bullet and sudden slide rack, it does require the user to rack the slide between shots. Depending on how gently he lets the slide return to battery, that can cause just as much wear and tear on the firearm as firing it at the range. it could even cause more wear if he uses the laser far more than live training simply due to ammo cost and convenience.
Bottom line -- There's a good chance that everybody who do give a believable round count might be excluding non-live training use. Take all round counts, even "zero", as a low estimate.
To me, the only real use for round count is reliability. The higher, the better. A gun that was never fired could be a factory-induced malfunction just waiting for it's first use.
If you intend to shoot your new purchase, you're going to add to the wear and tear. If you want a collector's piece to sit in the safe, then it's up to you to inspect the weapon for signs it is in new, unfired condition.
Buyer beware. :shaka:
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Your best bet is to get a Headspace check.
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i swear rhe POF revolution im selling only has 50 rounds through! actually cloer to 100 now. took it for another range trip.
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I don't concern myself with round count. Most times it just doesn't matter.
Most people never shoot anything to the point of failure unless it is a cheap piece of junk in the first place.
I have only 3 categories, used, lightly used, and new.
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Not any range trips where I saw you. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
No, not those. ;D
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Something similar. My friend pushed me to buy a motorcycle with him as he was trying to impress a girl. I bought one and still ride it a lot. My friend put about 250 miles on his and sold it 15 years later.
Guess it could happen with firearms too.
Bought one what? ???
:rofl:
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Some of us “older” shooters remember reading stories about our fellow shooters scoring S&W Model 29’s with only 6 rounds through them. It seems when the Dirty Harry movies came out there was a huge run on S&W Model 29 buying by the general public. The story goes that the revolvers are found “used” or as a consignment and come with a box of 50 cartridge minus 6. Apparently, the newbie bought the gun and took it out for their first range day. Loaded the cylinder with six rounds and then went home, put it away never to take it out to shoot ever again.
I have my own story about a purchase I made from the classifieds here: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=14039.msg134384#msg134384
I bought this Ruger Super Redhawk with less than 50 rounds through it. He had 2 boxes of cartridges. One box of 50 cowboy (light) loads with 26 rounds left. And the other was a box of 25 .454 Casull cartridges with 19 left in the box. The Casull round is more powerful than the .44 Magnum round. So, exactly 30 rounds through it. I believed the seller. Though it really didn’t matter to me. I have decided to keep this revolver and have affectionately named it “Thumper”. This gun is a handful and puts terror into the hearts of those who I invite to shoot it. I have had more people turn down my offer than have taken me up on my offer. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Some of us “older” shooters remember reading stories about our fellow shooters scoring S&W Model 29’s with only 6 rounds through them. It seems when the Dirty Harry movies came out there was a huge run on S&W Model 29 buying by the general public. The story goes that the revolvers are found “used” or as a consignment and come with a box of 50 cartridge minus 6. Apparently, the newbie bought the gun and took it out for their first range day. Loaded the cylinder with six rounds and then went home, put it away never to take it out to shoot ever again.
I have my own story about a purchase I made from the classifieds here: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=14039.msg134384#msg134384
I bought this Ruger Super Redhawk with less than 50 rounds through it. He had 2 boxes of cartridges. One box of 50 cowboy (light) loads with 26 rounds left. And the other was a box of 25 .454 Casull cartridges with 19 left in the box. The Casull round is more powerful than the .44 Magnum round. So, exactly 30 rounds through it. I believed the seller. Though it really didn’t matter to me. I have decided to keep this revolver and have affectionately named it “Thumper”. This gun is a handful and puts terror into the hearts of those who I invite to shoot it. I have had more people turn down my offer than have taken me up on my offer. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Years ago when I lived in WA state and had my own private rifle, pistol, and trap range.
I shot a lot, Many friends also came over to shoot.
At one shoot there about six very experienced pistol shooters. One guy had just bought a 454 Casull and brought it out to shoot.
As each of us tried it, The first shot was where we aimed, the succeeding shots were way off. We were all flinching after that
first shot! "Thumper" is more like a sledge hammer!
I don't think anybody will wear out a 454 Casull.