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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on October 30, 2019, 08:27:48 AM
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I'm guessing more talk about banning guns etc.
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I'm on the Big Island, so, I get KHON on satellite, I only watch the 10PM news mainly for the weather.
Whatever is predicted for Honolulu, I can pretty much expect the opposite.
Honolulu gets rain I won't. Honolulu is dry, I'll get rain.
I expect their programming is the same, Whatever is good for Honolulu
politics is bad for me. Whatever is good for my island is never discussed
in Honolulu.
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Don't forget he used a standard cap mag, even though they were made illegal 2 years prior.
I knew a guy who worked there. He went postal because back then, the techs not only fixed and installed the copiers, they also delivered them. So the stress of reading 4 inch thick manuals for every machine and updates that come out every year, reading manuals of new models, scheduling and doing the delivery and install is why he snapped. Since then, Xerox contracts out the delivery.
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Don't forget he used a standard cap mag, even though they were made illegal 2 years prior.
I knew a guy who worked there. He went postal because back then, the techs not only fixed and installed the copiers, they also delivered them. So the stress of reading 4 inch thick manuals for every machine and updates that come out every year, reading manuals of new models, scheduling and doing the delivery and install is why he snapped. Since then, Xerox contracts out the delivery.
If your theory is true, then why didn't ALL the repair techs "snap?"
You're doing what most people tend to do. You ignored the individual and looked for external factors to explain a horrible event.
He was paranoid due to mental illness. If you've read the stories about his behavior before the shooting and when he was arrested, the guy was a lunatic -- it's a clinical term. :geekdanc:
Don't pretend the stress of work CAUSED a mass shooting when the same environment was not a factor in other techs going postal.
Xerox, like many other companies, contracts out work for many reasons. One could be it's cheaper to pay another company rather than have full time employees on salary, depending on the amount of billable work they do.
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If your theory is true, then why didn't ALL the repair techs "snap?"
You're doing what most people tend to do. You ignored the individual and looked for external factors to explain a horrible event.
He was paranoid due to mental illness. If you've read the stories about his behavior before the shooting and when he was arrested, the guy was a lunatic -- it's a clinical term. :geekdanc:
Don't pretend the stress of work CAUSED a mass shooting when the same environment was not a factor in other techs going postal.
Xerox, like many other companies, contracts out work for many reasons. One could be it's cheaper to pay another company rather than have full time employees on salary, depending on the amount of billable work they do.
Let me rephrase, the work load probably added to the stress of him finally snapping. You are right, that no one else snapped under the current work load, but many of them complained about it. They also could see his stressing out due to the fast pace of technology changing for the machines (keeping up reading manuals). So it was no surprise when Uyesugi snapped and shot up the place.
For Xerox to contract out the delivery happened shortly after that event. So someone in charge was looking for ways to reduce work load/stress factors on the techs. Also I know a guy who used to deliver recently and he was told it's to reduce stress on the techs. He was told that they don't want another Uyesugi happening.
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Let me rephrase, the work load probably added to the stress of him finally snapping. You are right, that no one else snapped under the current work load, but many of them complained about it. They also could see his stressing out due to the fast pace of technology changing for the machines (keeping up reading manuals). So it was no surprise when Uyesugi snapped and shot up the place.
For Xerox to contract out the delivery happened shortly after that event. So someone in charge was looking for ways to reduce work load/stress factors on the techs. Also I know a guy who used to deliver recently and he was told it's to reduce stress on the techs. He was told that they don't want another Uyesugi happening.
He accused other techs of sabotaging his machines, letting him get blamed for incompetence.
He said he was being watched by law enforcement.
He became withdrawn and stopped interacting socially with his coworkers.
I don't care what the tech was told. It's still an attempt to explain individual mental illness and the resulting violence using external factors that do not have that impact on "normal' people.
Unless, of course, Xerox exclusively hires people with a documented history of mental illness. Then, their precautionary reduction in stress might be prudent.
As for the overload of technical training, the company was going to train him on the new machines. They can't continue to sell and service outdated machines when better ones are available. That's nuts!! :wacko:
According to testimony from Uyesugi's father, Hiroyuki, Uyesugi was normal until he started working for Xerox in 1984.
In 1988, Byran started to complain that he had a poking sensation in his head.[5][6][7]
After being transferred to another workgroup, Uyesugi began making unfounded accusations of harassment and product
tampering against fellow repairmen. They had difficulty dealing with him. Former co-workers who knew him reported the
other members of his team allegedly ostracized him, making him feel isolated and withdrawn. Uyesugi reportedly made
threats against other co-workers' lives. In 1993, he was ordered to undergo psychiatric evaluation and anger management
courses after he kicked in and damaged an elevator door. Uyesugi was arrested for third-degree criminal property damage.[4]
Co-workers told Dr. Michael Welner, chairman of the Forensic Panel and the forensic psychiatrist who interviewed Uyesugi
prior to trial, that as early as 1995, Uyesugi was openly talking of carrying out a mass shooting at the workplace were he to
be fired.[4] He complained that his co-workers were engaged in patterns of harassment, back-stabbing behavior, and spreading
of rumors.[8]
In the period leading up to the shootings, Xerox management had become increasingly committed to phasing out the type of
photocopier that Uyesugi serviced. He resisted learning the replacement machine, fearing that he could not keep up with its
technical demands. After working around his refusal to train on the new machine, Uyesugi's manager insisted on November 1, 1999
that he would begin training the next day. In his interview with Dr. Michael Welner, who examined Uyesugi when the defendant
brought an insanity defense, Uyesugi said he had believed that if he refused to take the training, management would fire him.
He told Dr. Welner, "I decided to give them a reason to fire me."[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_murders
Maybe red flag laws would have stopped him. Oh, wait. The people who heard him make threats didn't report him before the laws. Why would they do that under a red flag law instead?
Makes no sense. Anyone concerned enough to take a threat seriously is going to report it, red flag law or not.
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https://www.khon2.com/xerox-murders/ (https://www.khon2.com/xerox-murders/)
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While I was working as an IT Manager @ DITC Pearl Harbor, Xerox assigned him to maintain and repair our XEROX machines.He had a short fuse, terrible temper and a real smart ass mouth. On two occasions he lost his cookies and started kicking the machines and resorted to throwing his tools all over the place. Warned him that if he did not learn to control himself I would throw his ass out and file a formal complaint with his company. About a month later he did it again and I decided to have him arrested by the base police and filed a complaint with the company. Whether his company did anything about it is unknown but a new tech that was assigned to us told me that he is a real psycho and very dangerous. They should have hung his ass but alas this liberal swamp doesn’t believe in that......
By the way HPD knew he was seeing a head shrinker and was deemed a threat if my memory serves me correctly but they supposedly gave him his permit and realized their mistake, albeit too late.... too little, too late....
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http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Nov/01/ln/ln20p.html
And he was a kaiser psych patient
Kaiser gets sued
This is why present kaiser patients now pay for the sins of Uyesugi
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KHON is Hawaiian antigun fake news. They hate any alternative positions on that and anything other than left wing nonsense. I've been banned for years from their FB page, just for stating FACTS in their comment section.
That page has more lefty reverberating echoes than the grand canyon.
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KHON is Hawaiian antigun fake news. They hate any alternative positions on that and anything other than left wing nonsense. I've been banned for years from their FB page, just for stating FACTS in their comment section.
That page has more lefty reverberating echoes than the grand canyon.
Yeah, I was having a really civil back and forth with someone who was seriously interested in what I had to say. It became impossible to have a conversation because all my posts were being placed in limbo "pending review" and then deleted with no indication as to why.
After complaining to that guy that all my posts were vanishing, I was banned.
It's amazing to me that a business whose free speech is protected by the Constitution appears to enjoy engaging in censorship.
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on the KGMB morning news today, had Carlisle on the phone bc he was the prosecutor on the case at the time
he said, 'I now believe in the death penalty for this case bc it was a heinous crime committed against PEOPLE WHO CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES.' :grrr:
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on the KGMB morning news today, had Carlisle on the phone bc he was the prosecutor on the case at the time
he said, 'I now believe in the death penalty for this case bc it was a heinous crime committed against PEOPLE WHO CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES.' :grrr:
thats what our "wise" legislators created and that's what Dems want - a population dependent on govt for our most basic right - the defense of OURSELVES.
That's the common platform all these Democrat candidates and leaders are running on. Your world is a mess vote for me and I'll <try> to make it right.
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on the KGMB morning news today, had Carlisle on the phone bc he was the prosecutor on the case at the time
he said, 'I now believe in the death penalty for this case bc it was a heinous crime committed against PEOPLE WHO CANNOT DEFEND THEMSELVES.' :grrr:
I wonder if he has an opinion on what punishment should be levied on those who made the people unable to defend themselves? :wacko:
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The father of one of my best friends growing up was a Xerox repair/rep. He knew Uyesugi, but not well. He was out on a service call when the shooting went down though.
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on the morning news also had the female Sheriff that was the negotiator with Uyesugi.
she said HPD and first responders did everything they could do and they did a good job.
which means to me that theres nothing we can do to prevent violence, we can only react. that's why we're defenseless here in Hawaii
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The father of one of my best friends growing up was a Xerox repair/rep. He knew Uyesugi, but not well. He was out on a service call when the shooting went down though.
you have friends?
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you have friends?
Besides my imaginary ones?
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Besides my imaginary ones?
the voices in your head are often your best friends...
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Forehead boy using this to go after mags and "assault rifles" this session.
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Forehead boy using this to go after mags and "assault rifles" this session.
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He needs to be ousted from office.
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"we havent had a shooting in a while, lets report on some old ones"
"Oh look, its raining, someone go out and report on the rain"
My wife watches that crap so I have to listen to it in the background
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He needs to be ousted from office.
People in his district are morons and keep voting him in.
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People in his district are morons and keep voting him in.
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We need a concentrated effort to educate them. It doesn't have to be about gun control. Pound him on the multitude of FAIL his district has. Rail, China town, shit in the streets, violent crime, criminals going unpunished.... too much to list.
anyone but him....
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By the way HPD knew he was seeing a head shrinker and was deemed a threat if my memory serves me correctly but they supposedly gave him his permit and realized their mistake, albeit too late.... too little, too late....
I was under the impression HPD only started requiring the psych/mental illness medical records after the Xerox murders, as a result of it?
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By the way HPD knew he was seeing a head shrinker and was deemed a threat if my memory serves me correctly but they supposedly gave him his permit and realized their mistake, albeit too late.... too little, too late....
I read the opposite ... that his father tried to get him to see a psychiatrist, but he never did.
In 1993, Uyesugi told his brother that a shadow pinned him down. The family had their house blessed by a
Shingon priest in 1997 hoping to help him, but even the minister suspected Uyesugi had a mental illness.
Later that year, Uyesugi's father suggested that he see a psychiatrist. Uyesugi did not.
https://murderpedia.org/male.U/u/uyesugi-byran.htm
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A guy I know was doing work on Brian’s street and talked to some of the neighbors
It sounded like he had a temper
Felt some people at work were “mistreating” him (real or perceived)
Sounded like Brian only went after those that were “mistreating” him.
Heard he let a guy go in the stairway. Sounded like the guy would talk story with him at work
I’m glad he didn’t shoot up the whole place and go on a shooting spree across town
We have a “quiet” guy on my floor at work. I always greet/talk to him.