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Title: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: macsak on November 22, 2019, 08:34:25 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ghost-gun-used-in-saugus-high-school-shooting-what-is-it-and-is-it-legal/ar-BBXayB7?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: TastesLikeMetal on November 22, 2019, 08:52:48 AM
"However, a person could make a complaint gun with largely plastic parts and some metal parts that are easily removable before entering a security area, the center says."

At which point you have a Grip Frame that you can throw? :)
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: zippz on November 22, 2019, 09:04:43 AM
No worries, I'm sure the legislators will fix it to keep us safe.  Coming up next year.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191122/35a15849bad4cc7bb6f13d4c191ff68e.jpg)

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Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 22, 2019, 09:06:00 AM
Does it say specifically a P80?  All it says is there was no serial #, which is illegal to remove or alter.
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: macsak on November 22, 2019, 09:49:50 AM
Does it say specifically a P80?  All it says is there was no serial #, which is illegal to remove or alter.

doesn't specifically say anywhere, but it implies it
this article says "As one expert described it, the guns are as easy to assemble as Ikea furniture."
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-21/santa-clarita-shooting-45-caliber-gun-saugus-high-attack-a-ghost-gun-sheriff-says?fbclid=IwAR336QtfnxqOnM7VONHU99HloxAmAXnaDElnrsIj1fU-pr2sI5RsMoRp3uA
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: ren on November 22, 2019, 09:53:52 AM
Im sure he wasnt on any kind of prescription meds....
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 22, 2019, 09:54:19 AM
doesn't specifically say anywhere, but it implies it
this article says "As one expert described it, the guns are as easy to assemble as Ikea furniture."
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-21/santa-clarita-shooting-45-caliber-gun-saugus-high-attack-a-ghost-gun-sheriff-says?fbclid=IwAR336QtfnxqOnM7VONHU99HloxAmAXnaDElnrsIj1fU-pr2sI5RsMoRp3uA

Except the fact that you need power tools and it cost a lot more that a HiPoint $120 street value vs. $500 complete P80. 
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: drck1000 on November 22, 2019, 09:55:45 AM
doesn't specifically say anywhere, but it implies it
this article says "As one expert described it, the guns are as easy to assemble as Ikea furniture."
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-21/santa-clarita-shooting-45-caliber-gun-saugus-high-attack-a-ghost-gun-sheriff-says?fbclid=IwAR336QtfnxqOnM7VONHU99HloxAmAXnaDElnrsIj1fU-pr2sI5RsMoRp3uA
Ghost guns? You mean the kind that can get through metal detectors? Like Glocks?

Can’t believe people still perpetuate that stuff.
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 22, 2019, 10:01:49 AM
Im sure he wasnt on any kind of prescription meds....

Nothing about that yet, even from my awoke sources. 
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: rpoL98 on November 22, 2019, 11:26:19 AM
I'm thinking his dad did a 80% steel 1911, which was stashed somewhere, and the son knew about it, and how to assemble, or already assembled by the dad, but off the books, the kommiefornia state books.
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: ren on November 22, 2019, 11:34:01 AM
Ghost guns? You mean the kind that can get through metal detectors? Like Glocks?

Can’t believe people still perpetuate that stuff.

They only use that term to make it sound oh so scary...like boogey man gun, Freddy Kreuger Gun, Jason gun
but a ghost gun is one that can shoot 30 calibers in 5 magazines....I say again - 50 clips in 15 calibers per secondary...
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 22, 2019, 11:37:03 AM
this article says "As one expert described it, the guns are as easy to assemble as Ikea furniture."

The analogy doesn't hold water.  Ikea doesn't require milling of parts to accept other parts.  The "expert" is talking about assembling a fully manufactured weapon's components versus milling and altering parts so assembly can be performed.

Some "expert!"   :rofl:

I've seen some people struggle with Ikea assemblies, to the point where they finally gave up and hired a handyman to finish it.

I see others take Ikea furniture and "upgrade" it to be more functional, like building a loft bed with Ikea bookcases and dressers as a storage base for the platform.

Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: aieahound on November 22, 2019, 11:38:37 AM
Those articles are ridiculous and unfortunately some people take their make believe as gospel.

It may have been an unserialized gun.
But I challenge any of the authors and anti-gun people quoted to machine an 80% frame or lower.
They make it sound like it’s LEGO.

P.S. Better order now before they’re all sold out.
Of course register them within 5 days of milling.
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: ren on November 22, 2019, 12:12:26 PM
this article says "As one expert described it, the guns are as easy to assemble as Ikea furniture."

The analogy doesn't hold water.  Ikea doesn't require milling of parts to accept other parts.  The "expert" is talking about assembling a fully manufactured weapon's components versus milling and altering parts so assembly can be performed.

Some "expert!"   :rofl:

I've seen some people struggle with Ikea assemblies, to the point where they finally gave up and hired a handyman to finish it.

I see others take Ikea furniture and "upgrade" it to be more functional, like building a loft bed with Ikea bookcases and dressers as a storage base for the platform.
casual readers and people who don't understand firearms will take it as truth - and that's all that matters to the news jokerlists
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: groveler on November 22, 2019, 01:08:35 PM
We all know the only reason for registered guns is for confiscation and no other reason.
It cannot and will not prevent crime.  In fact it encourages crime in that
where mandatory registration is forced,  the compliance rate is very low,  thus
making a whole class of previously law-abiding citizens into criminals just
because the Party can do so.  " Show me the man,  I'll show you the crime"

I suspect that the majority of guns in Hawaii are not registered.
A black market pops up.  I can buy a full auto Uzi on the street in Seattle easier, than I can buy
a .223 rifle in Hawaii and it is very easy to get that Uzi into Hawaii.
My first gun purchase when I was  age 10 or so, was mail ordered in the early 60s, It has a
serial number so what?  You can't trace that gun( it is still on the mainland) to me or anybody.
It was made by a Canadian Company that has been out of business for 50 years.

We don't have a gun problem, we have a Democrat Party problem. 
Ghost guns, in fact all guns( weapons are another story),  don't scare me. 
Party members and their policies do.
My usual disclaimer;  I do not violate any constitutional Federal, State,
or Local laws.


Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: Inspector on November 23, 2019, 03:58:10 AM
I know that plans/programs for 3D printing AR lowers and pistol frames of all different types (Glock, S&W, CZ, etc) is commonly available on the Internet. And I know 3D printers are getting cheaper and the raw materials are getting better and better. It is quite common and becoming mainstream.
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: rpoL98 on December 02, 2019, 10:37:34 AM
now confirmed by the local Sheriff, it was a 1911 80%.  Those are not easy.
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: ren on December 02, 2019, 10:55:00 AM
I know that plans/programs for 3D printing AR lowers and pistol frames of all different types (Glock, S&W, CZ, etc) is commonly available on the Internet. And I know 3D printers are getting cheaper and the raw materials are getting better and better. It is quite common and becoming mainstream.

A person has to be knowledgeable and experienced enough to know about extrusion temp., flow rate, properly designing a additive material part (3d printing),  the vast materials to choose from and purpose. Like anything else, the cheaper printers leave a lot to be desired. 3D printers do break and some fiddling around to print a good part. The most work goes into the design with a CAD app and there's a steep learning curve as well.
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 02, 2019, 11:18:39 AM
A person has to be knowledgeable and experienced enough to know about extrusion temp., flow rate, properly designing a additive material part (3d printing),  the vast materials to choose from and purpose. Like anything else, the cheaper printers leave a lot to be desired. 3D printers do break and some fiddling around to print a good part. The most work goes into the design with a CAD app and there's a steep learning curve as well.

... or know somebody who can do the job for them for the right price.
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 02, 2019, 12:24:03 PM
... or know somebody who can do the job for them for the right price.

Like just tell them to "hit the button" like that guy who got busted, but then case dismissed.

From what a friend told me, it's not like printing  a word document.  Just double click to open the file, the go file and print.  There are lots of other steps and calibrations for 3D printers.
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 02, 2019, 12:28:09 PM
Like just tell them to "hit the button" like that guy who got busted, but then case dismissed.

From what a friend told me, it's not like printing  a word document.  Just double click to open the file, the go file and print.  There are lots of other steps and calibrations for 3D printers.

True, but 99% of what's needed to learn is available online.

YouTube should apply to become a university.   :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
Title: Re: santa clarita shooter- unregistered firearms
Post by: eyeeatingfish on December 03, 2019, 10:12:24 PM
Im sure he wasnt on any kind of prescription meds....

Wouldn't surprise me but the key question is, are the meds the cause or the symptom?