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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Platinum808 on December 20, 2019, 12:21:58 PM
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https://youtu.be/MzIXXgLAi4s
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just ordered one ;)
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What was the purpose of that 3 minute video?
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What was the purpose of that 3 minute video?
Seriously, I didn't even see it on Colt's site.
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just ordered one ;)
Revolver trifecta. Colt, S&W and... what’s that other brand? 🤔
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Seriously, I didn't even see it on Colt's site.
Leaked for up coming Shot show! Yankee is a revolver fanatic I trust his word!
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Leaked for up coming Shot show! Yankee is a revolver fanatic I trust his word!
I don't doubt it's debut. I just know I'll still want an original because the new one is just going to be called a Python without all the things that made the original a Python.
(https://www.gunlistings.org/uploads/1_pistols_colt_python_1980_6_blue_with_original_box_nr_118031.jpg)
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I don't doubt it's debut. I just know I'll still want an original because the new one is just going to be called a Python without all the things that made the original a Python.
Colt said they could never make the original Python today with the same features, function and workmanship and it still be cost effective.
That being said, they never said they weren't going to try to introduce another Python line to piggyback on the recent popularity of the name.
I'll be interested to see if it's the same in terms of design, or if it's a "new and improved" Python.
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Colt said they could never make the original Python today with the same features, function and workmanship and it still be cost effective.
That being said, they never said they weren't going to try to introduce another Python line to piggyback on the recent popularity of the name.
I'll be interested to see if it's the same in terms of design, or if it's a "new and improved" Python.
I've read articles saying Colt would have to charge upwards of $4000 to recreate the original :D oof...
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I've read articles saying Colt would have to charge upwards of $4000 to recreate the original :D oof...
I'm not even sure they still know how to do the Royal Blue finish. You'd think, as popular as it was/is, they'd offer it on at least their top tier custom models.
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I don't doubt it's debut. I just know I'll still want an original because the new one is just going to be called a Python without all the things that made the original a Python.
Agree. I think the new Python will sell, but I doubt it will be as good as the original. Just think the level of craftsmanship from the past just isn’t feasible for a production gun.
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I have the new Colt Cobra and it's a good revolver
I've never shot the original so I cant compare the 2
It shoots well, accurate for a snubnose with gutter rear sight. Trigger pull is smooth but long. If the new python is a continuation of the cobra then I suspect it will be a good revolver. The cobra msrp was 800 but I got it for less on sale. Hopefully the python isn't much more than 1000
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I have the new Colt Cobra and it's a good revolver
I've never shot the original so I cant compare the 2
It shoots well, accurate for a snubnose with gutter rear sight. Trigger pull is smooth but long. If the new python is a continuation of the cobra then I suspect it will be a good revolver. The cobra msrp was 800 but I got it for less on sale. Hopefully the python isn't much more than 1000
1000 sounds like a lot, but I think it would sell pretty well at that price point.
So let us know when you get yours! :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
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My guess is that it'll be a 6" version of the King Cobra target model with a bright stainless finish and huge, awful knockoffs of the original target grips. IDK if they'll be able to pull off the vent rib, I hope so. At least they know how to polish SS. Price point? 2K, + or -. Why not?
I'm not a hater, my first centerfire handgun was a 4" blue python, and I've owned 4 or 5 others but I prefer to shoot Smiths.
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My guess is that it'll be a 6" version of the King Cobra target model with a bright stainless finish and huge, awful knockoffs of the original target grips. IDK if they'll be able to pull off the vent rib, I hope so. At least they know how to polish SS. Price point? 2K, + or -. Why not?
I'm not a hater, my first centerfire handgun was a 4" blue python, and I've owned 4 or 5 others but I prefer to shoot Smiths.
You say that now.
Just wait until the zombie apocalypse starts ... :rofl:
(https://i.imgur.com/1i5YrFp.jpg)
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I imagine it will be disappointing like most refried nostalgia, but maybe modern manufacturing techniques will give it an edge that the previous versions do not have. Time to let someone else throw their money around.
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I'm not even sure they still know how to do the Royal Blue finish. You'd think, as popular as it was/is, they'd offer it on at least their top tier custom models.
They're are people who know the process but they don't work for Colt anymore, when Smallarmssolutions covers Colt's history you see it's a real shit show recently.
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They're are people who know the process but they don't work for Colt anymore, when Smallarmssolutions covers Colt's history you see it's a real shit show recently.
I assumed the finishing process was a thing of the past for whatever reason, or else they'd still offer it -- at least at some premium cost.
Since they haven't, it stands to reason they likely can't.
Maybe they can get Ben Affleck to "reverse engineer" it? :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
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MSRP 1499. DA trigger 7-9 lbs, SA 3 lbs
https://rangehot.com/colt-python-2020-finally-reintroduced/
https://youtu.be/Y2NEmyJMd1k
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Smart move by Colt to get out of the ar civilian market
I wont buy their overpriced AR's but I will buy their overpriced revolvers
Everybody makes an AR but only Colt makes the Python
Yup, I'm gonna get one!!! :geekdanc:
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Smart move by Colt to get out of the ar civilian market
I wont buy their overpriced AR's but I will buy their overpriced revolvers
Everybody makes an AR but only Colt makes the Python
Yup, I'm gonna get one!!! :geekdanc:
They had to get out of the civilian AR biz, it drove them to bankruptcy. Colt has never been known for making great business decisions over their lifetime. I am just glad they are still around and decided to start making revolvers again.
I agree about the price. I think I’ll wait a year or two before I buy one. I’ll wait for the immediate demand to die down so I can pick one up under MSRP. Based on what I am hearing this is a terrific revolver in the same vein of the original. Not an exact copy, but a great finished firearm. I hope they improved the action/lockup so it can take a lot more rounds before needing some work like the old ones do.
My biggest question is how is releasing this new version going to effect the older Pythons? Traditionally, the introduction of the new model eats into the collector market somewhat. However, with the high asking price it might keep good original examples up into the heights that they have attained over the last few years. I just don’t know what is going to happen. I have always wanted to own an original version. And maybe someday I will. But this Python (in 4” barrel) is going on the top of my list of new guns to purchase.
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They had to get out of the civilian AR biz, it drove them to bankruptcy. Colt has never been known for making great business decisions over their lifetime. I am just glad they are still around and decided to start making revolvers again.
I agree about the price. I think I’ll wait a year or two before I buy one. I’ll wait for the immediate demand to die down so I can pick one up under MSRP. Based on what I am hearing this is a terrific revolver in the same vein of the original. Not an exact copy, but a great finished firearm. I hope they improved the action/lockup so it can take a lot more rounds before needing some work like the old ones do.
My biggest question is how is releasing this new version going to effect the older Pythons? Traditionally, the introduction of the new model eats into the collector market somewhat. However, with the high asking price it might keep good original examples up into the heights that they have attained over the last few years. I just don’t know what is going to happen. I have always wanted to own an original version. And maybe someday I will. But this Python (in 4” barrel) is going on the top of my list of new guns to purchase.
That will be good for the market because it will reflect its Actual value instead of people’s sentimental value You are now pay for what you get! Like the Toyota Tacoma what so special about it!
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Like the Toyota Tacoma what so special about it!
Hey! Dems is fightin’ words!!! Don’t talk shit about my baby! :love: :love: :love: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
But seriously, I like my Tacoma. It is a base model. Nothing special. It is my mobile office, it gets good gas mileage, it’s cheap to operate, it’s comfortable, I practically live in it. It is slow, doesn’t have great brakes, the radio is only so so, and I wish it had more leg room. It does what it is designed to do. Nothing more, nothing less. I can certainly afford to by a new one or a new car if I wanted to. But I really don’t want to. It is 11 years old with 115,000 miles on it and Kelly Blue Book says private party value is between $7k and $9k. I paid $18k brand new in 2008. I don’t understand the popularity nor do I understand why the used car value is so strong? I won’t complain.
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MSRP 1499. DA trigger 7-9 lbs, SA 3 lbs
https://rangehot.com/colt-python-2020-finally-reintroduced/
https://youtu.be/Y2NEmyJMd1k
That's actually a lot closer to the original than I expected, looks good.
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Online store had 10 of the 6 inch Pythons for sale, but within an hour or less was sold out
Price was about 1350
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Online store had 10 of the 6 inch Pythons for sale, but within an hour or less was sold out
Price was about 1350
They still have them for sale on gunbroker!
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pretty good video review
But it was a colt media day so you know those guns got special attention prior to being reviewed.
What actually ends up in your hand might be a lot different.
On the other hand, 1500 msrp is less than what I would have guessed it would be.
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pretty good video review
But it was a colt media day so you know those guns got special attention prior to being reviewed.
What actually ends up in your hand might be a lot different.
On the other hand, 1500 msrp is less than what I would have guessed it would be.
I laugh if upon opening the sideplate it suddenly looks suspiciously like a 686 or GP100 ;D.
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MSRP 1499. DA trigger 7-9 lbs, SA 3 lbs
https://rangehot.com/colt-python-2020-finally-reintroduced/
Those stainless models look awesome! 😍
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Those stainless models look awesome! 😍
I wish they would hurry up and ship 'em out already!!! :geekdanc:
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https://www.colt.com/series/python_series
its official
MSRP is 50 bucks cheaper than the super GP100. even tho i'm a Ruger fan, i'd rather get the Python instead :D
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That 6” is so SICK! :geekdanc: :shake:
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I like the 4” myself. I already have a slick 5” S&W. I want to carry this gun so I think the 4” would be more to my liking. Eventually I would expect them to also offer a 4.5” or 5” barrel. And if the past is indicative of future offerings I am sure this will happen. 🥰
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I wish they would hurry up and ship 'em out already!!! :geekdanc:
Sooner we can have an original vs remake challenge! ;D
II like the 4” myself. I already have a slick 5” S&W. I want to carry this gun so I think the 4” would be more to my liking. Eventually I would expect them to also offer a 4.5” or 5” barrel. And if the past is indicative of future offerings I am sure this will happen. 🥰
IF (that’s a “medium sized if, haha)I were to get one of the reboot versions, I’d get the 4” stainless. I wouldn’t envision carrying it, but I have thought about getting a holster for my 686+ 6” and Model 28 😳
Maybe you’re gonna have to find a part time job in AZ. :rofl:
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I like the 4” myself. I already have a slick 5” S&W. I want to carry this gun so I think the 4” would be more to my liking. Eventually I would expect them to also offer a 4.5” or 5” barrel. And if the past is indicative of future offerings I am sure this will happen. 🥰
maybe next year, Anaconda!
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That 6” is so SICK! :geekdanc: :shake:
that's what she said. :D
I like the 6" myself. since i'm not going to carry it, I might as well get the bigger one. maybe get both, if they ever do one blued
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Check out the comments on Mrgunsngear FB page on the new Python. Seems like a lot of interest, but a lot of internet macho asshattery.
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Check out the comments on Mrgunsngear FB page on the new Python. Seems like a lot of interest, but a lot of internet macho asshattery.
Why the HELL did you make me go out to that page to see all the STOOPID COMMENTS!!!! :rofl: :rofl:
I wanted to so bad ask the guys that are posting: ‘I want 4”’ why are you trying to sell yourself SHORT???? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Even the guys saying ‘I want 6”’ are admitting they are pretty small to begin with!!! :rofl: If I had a burner FB account I would go in there and troll all those guys! :geekdanc:
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Why the HELL did you make me go out to that page to see all the STOOPID COMMENTS!!!! :rofl: :rofl:
I wanted to so bad ask the guys that are posting: ‘I want 4”’ why are you trying to sell yourself SHORT???? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Even the guys saying ‘I want 6”’ are admitting they are pretty small to begin with!!! :rofl: If I had a burner FB account I would go in there and troll all those guys! :geekdanc:
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It’s like reading the comments on HNN. There are actually some that give me hope for future of 2a. Then there are those hundreds of goobers.
Back to topic, the more I look into these, the more I actually want one as a shooter.
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Check out the comments on Mrgunsngear FB page on the new Python. Seems like a lot of interest, but a lot of internet macho asshattery.
good thing we don't have people like that on this site...
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:rofl:
It’s like reading the comments on HNN. There are actually some that give me hope for future of 2a. Then there are those hundreds of goobers.
Back to topic, the more I look into these, the more I actually want one as a shooter.
I need to fondle one myself before I buy. But I’m in agreement with you and Stang on this one. After I move I need to save my my pennies and buy one. For me this is a “Must have”.
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I need to fondle one myself before I buy. But I’m in agreement with you and Stang on this one. After I move I need to save my my pennies and buy one. For me this is a “Must have”.
I won’t be buying a gun any time soon. Or I shouldn’t buy anything any time soon. I’ll give it some time, read/watch reviews, and so on. Should be at least 6+ months to shake all of that out.
The outsourcing aspect of the revolver does concern me though.
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I won’t be buying a gun any time soon. Or I shouldn’t buy anything any time soon. I’ll give it some time, read/watch reviews, and so on. Should be at least 6+ months to shake all of that out.
The outsourcing aspect of the revolver does concern me though.
I saw those posts about the manufacture being outsourced. But I saw as many also saying that they recently took a tour of the Colt factory and saw them being made there. So who is right? I doubt they will sell that well if they are outsourced. Not a “real Colt”. 🤔 At the price they are asking it would seem that there is a lot of hand finish work going into these. Or they are over pricing them. But the signature of the original is the highly polished finish under the bluing giving the beautiful finish we see. Plus the hand finished trigger work. So the new ones better be as good or there will be a lot disappointed people griping on the Internet.
With the expense of moving this year I won’t have the money for at least a year I think. But if you buy before you see quality is good I would buy a set of range rods from Brownells so you can make sure all chambers line up properly with the barrel. This is a problem that sometimes leaves the factory unchecked. Fit and finish as well as lockup can be checked by you before you buy. There are lots of good articles on buying a used revolver that are 100% applicable to new revolvers.
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/handgun-tools/alignment-tools/range-rods/revolver-range-rods-prod655.aspx
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I saw those posts about the manufacture being outsourced. But I saw as many also saying that they recently took a tour of the Colt factory and saw them being made there. So who is right? I doubt they will sell that well if they are outsourced. Not a “real Colt”. 🤔 At the price they are asking it would seem that there is a lot of hand finish work going into these. Or they are over pricing them. But the signature of the original is the highly polished finish under the bluing giving the beautiful finish we see. Plus the hand finished trigger work. So the new ones better be as good or there will be a lot disappointed people griping on the Internet.
With the expense of moving this year I won’t have the money for at least a year I think. But if you buy before you see quality is good I would buy a set of range rods from Brownells so you can make sure all chambers line up properly with the barrel. This is a problem that sometimes leaves the factory unchecked. Fit and finish as well as lockup can be checked by you before you buy. There are lots of good articles on buying a used revolver that are 100% applicable to new revolvers.
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/handgun-tools/alignment-tools/range-rods/revolver-range-rods-prod655.aspx
Yeah. Who’s to know what’s true. He usually seems to be a good source of info, but I’ve also seen where he’s speculated (very confidently of course) and has been wrong.
I might have to get one of those rods anyways for my revolvers anyways.
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Yeah. Who’s to know what’s true. He usually seems to be a good source of info, but I’ve also seen where he’s speculated (very confidently of course) and has been wrong.
I might have to get one of those rods anyways for my revolvers anyways.
I’d let you borrow my set but they are packed away somewhere and I don’t remember which box they are in. :wave:
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Looks like the Colt day at Gunsite will be on American Rifleman TV this coming Weds in The Outdoor Channel.
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Looks like the Colt day at Gunsite will be on American Rifleman TV this coming Weds in The Outdoor Channel.
I see that. Already have it recording but I just checked and it looks like the “New Colt” will be reviewed. I’ll be watching as soon as I get home from work.
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I’d let you borrow my set but they are packed away somewhere and I don’t remember which box they are in. :wave:
i'd rather not know what drck is going to do with inspector's rod...
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i'd rather not know what drck is going to do with inspector's rod...
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i'd rather not know what drck is going to do with inspector's rod...
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STOP !
No further comment.
Actually I had all kinds of further comments but I deleted them all ;D
Pretty soon Inspector is going to call his rod a python...
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...Pretty soon Inspector is going to call his rod a python...
Nawwwwww, it’s bigger than a Python. :shake: :shake: :shake:
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Check out the comments on Mrgunsngear FB page on the new Python. Seems like a lot of interest, but a lot of internet macho asshattery.
Looks like Mrgunsngear doesnt like the new python either
The cobra trigger is also 7-8lbs DA, 3-4lbs SA. Maybe it's the same trigger. Maybe the cobra is outsourced too, if it is it's still a very good revolver. I expect to pay more for a Colt Python bc it has the name, that's how it goes. You want a Shelby GT500, or COPO Camaro, or Challenger Hellcat? You are going to pay more than the normal car. Some on the FB post say "just get a GP100 or 686, it's better and cheaper" they dont know if it's better or not bc they haven't shot the Python yet. And a GP100 or 686 no matter how good it is, they are not a Colt Python. To me it's pretty easy, if you dont like the new Python, dont get one. Why would anyone buy a $4k custom 1911 when you can get a Glock or SIG, they're better and cheaper. Same thing.
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Looks like Mrgunsngear doesnt like the new python either
The cobra trigger is also 7-8lbs DA, 3-4lbs SA. Maybe it's the same trigger. Maybe the cobra is outsourced too, if it is it's still a very good revolver. I expect to pay more for a Colt Python bc it has the name, that's how it goes. You want a Shelby GT500, or COPO Camaro, or Challenger Hellcat? You are going to pay more than the normal car. Some on the FB post say "just get a GP100 or 686, it's better and cheaper" they dont know if it's better or not bc they haven't shot the Python yet. And a GP100 or 686 no matter how good it is, they are not a Colt Python. To me it's pretty easy, if you dont like the new Python, dont get one. Why would anyone buy a $4k custom 1911 when you can get a Glock or SIG, they're better and cheaper. Same thing.
A stock revolver trigger that is 7-8 pounds DA and 3 pounds SA is very good for a factory firearm. Assuming it is a crisp trigger let off. Anything lighter should not be used for SD and target only. Which is why a factory will not provide a lighter trigger under most circumstances. I’m not sure what they don’t like about the new Python? Are they complaining about the price? While I think it is a little high it is not out of the realm if it is as good as the original. If they are not putting a lot of hand work into the revolver and charging this high price then they are ripping off the public. That is why you need to see, fondle and stroke one before you blow your load on one. :rofl: Let’s see what the gun press says about it.
You know I am a Smith guy. And I know you are a Ruger guy. We have our preferences and the reason there are different brands is because everyone has their preference. There is nothing better nor worse between Ruger and Smith revolvers. They both have their pluses and minuses. The same will be said about the Colt. If these Pythons don’t sell well due to price, if the trigger is not at least as good as the originals, if they don’t have a high level of fit and finish, if they are not terribly accurate, if they are outsourced, they probably won’t sell for long after the first year or two. Let’s face it, any Ruger or Smith can be made to shoot and like an original Python. Maybe better. It’s a Colt, a Python, the mystique that makes it what it is. All of this remains to be seen. But to pre judge the gun before they get their hands on one is ridiculous.
Here is how I intend to handle this for myself. I have always had a lifelong dream to own a Python before I am too old to enjoy it. If all the gun writers review it and it turns out to not be highly polished, or if fit and finish is lacking, or if the trigger is not as good as the original, or if it is not superbly accurate, or if it is outsourced, I’ll keep saving and buy an original instead. But if it turns out to be as good as the original there will be one in my safe within a year. One stipulation is I don’t buy a gun without seeing and touching it first.
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A stock revolver trigger that is 7-8 pounds DA and 3 pounds SA is very good for a factory firearm. Assuming it is a crisp trigger let off. Anything lighter should not be used for SD and target only. Which is why a factory will not provide a lighter trigger under most circumstances. I’m not sure what they don’t like about the new Python? Are they complaining about the price? While I think it is a little high it is not out of the realm if it is as good as the original. If they are not putting a lot of hand work into the revolver and charging this high price then they are ripping off the public. That is why you need to see, fondle and stroke one before you blow your load on one. :rofl: Let’s see what the gun press says about it.
You know I am a Smith guy. And I know you are a Ruger guy. We have our preferences and the reason there are different brands is because everyone has their preference. There is nothing better nor worse between Ruger and Smith revolvers. They both have their pluses and minuses. The same will be said about the Colt. If these Pythons don’t sell well due to price, if the trigger is not at least as good as the originals, if they don’t have a high level of fit and finish, if they are not terribly accurate, if they are outsourced, they probably won’t sell for long after the first year or two. Let’s face it, any Ruger or Smith can be made to shoot and like an original Python. Maybe better. It’s a Colt, a Python, the mystique that makes it what it is. All of this remains to be seen. But to pre judge the gun before they get their hands on one is ridiculous.
Here is how I intend to handle this for myself. I have always had a lifelong dream to own a Python before I am too old to enjoy it. If all the gun writers review it and it turns out to not be highly polished, or if fit and finish is lacking, or if the trigger is not as good as the original, or if it is not superbly accurate, or if it is outsourced, I’ll keep saving and buy an original instead. But if it turns out to be as good as the original there will be one in my safe within a year. One stipulation is I don’t buy a gun without seeing and touching it first.
I hear ya. I agree. If it's not that great, I'd rather get a Dan Wesson 357. Cant go wrong with a Dan Wesson 357.
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I hear ya. I agree. If it's not that great, I'd rather get a Dan Wesson 357. Cant go wrong with a Dan Wesson 357.
With interchangeable barrels!!
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Looks like Mrgunsngear doesnt like the new python either
The cobra trigger is also 7-8lbs DA, 3-4lbs SA. Maybe it's the same trigger. Maybe the cobra is outsourced too, if it is it's still a very good revolver. I expect to pay more for a Colt Python bc it has the name, that's how it goes. You want a Shelby GT500, or COPO Camaro, or Challenger Hellcat? You are going to pay more than the normal car. Some on the FB post say "just get a GP100 or 686, it's better and cheaper" they dont know if it's better or not bc they haven't shot the Python yet. And a GP100 or 686 no matter how good it is, they are not a Colt Python. To me it's pretty easy, if you dont like the new Python, dont get one. Why would anyone buy a $4k custom 1911 when you can get a Glock or SIG, they're better and cheaper. Same thing.
I actually didn’t read his comments. Haha
Regarding outsourcing, as long as the end product is quality, that’s all that matters to me. Like any thing guns, there’s both Colt hate and “just as good as” crowd. To me, I like to try and see for myself. While I trust feedback from knowledgeable folks, always “trust but verify”.
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A stock revolver trigger that is 7-8 pounds DA and 3 pounds SA is very good for a factory firearm. Assuming it is a crisp trigger let off. Anything lighter should not be used for SD and target only. Which is why a factory will not provide a lighter trigger under most circumstances. I’m not sure what they don’t like about the new Python? Are they complaining about the price? While I think it is a little high it is not out of the realm if it is as good as the original. If they are not putting a lot of hand work into the revolver and charging this high price then they are ripping off the public. That is why you need to see, fondle and stroke one before you blow your load on one. :rofl: Let’s see what the gun press says about it.
You know I am a Smith guy. And I know you are a Ruger guy. We have our preferences and the reason there are different brands is because everyone has their preference. There is nothing better nor worse between Ruger and Smith revolvers. They both have their pluses and minuses. The same will be said about the Colt. If these Pythons don’t sell well due to price, if the trigger is not at least as good as the originals, if they don’t have a high level of fit and finish, if they are not terribly accurate, if they are outsourced, they probably won’t sell for long after the first year or two. Let’s face it, any Ruger or Smith can be made to shoot and like an original Python. Maybe better. It’s a Colt, a Python, the mystique that makes it what it is. All of this remains to be seen. But to pre judge the gun before they get their hands on one is ridiculous.
Here is how I intend to handle this for myself. I have always had a lifelong dream to own a Python before I am too old to enjoy it. If all the gun writers review it and it turns out to not be highly polished, or if fit and finish is lacking, or if the trigger is not as good as the original, or if it is not superbly accurate, or if it is outsourced, I’ll keep saving and buy an original instead. But if it turns out to be as good as the original there will be one in my safe within a year. One stipulation is I don’t buy a gun without seeing and touching it first.
I like them all. Smith, Ruger, Colt, etc ;D
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I like them all. Smith, Ruger, Colt, etc ;D
Slut! :geekdanc: :geekdanc:
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Slut! :geekdanc: :geekdanc:
I don’t discriminate. ;D
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I don’t discriminate. ;D
that's what he said...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrLYZruNw_g
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that's what he said to me the other night...
FIFY
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FIFY
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Nawwwwww, it’s bigger than a Python. :shake: :shake: :shake:
With interchangeable barrels!!
I was afraid you might have interchangeable barrels.
On second thought, wish I had interchangeable barrels.
(No even knows what that means......no one knows what it means but it’s provocative. (Movie and later Lyric reference))
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I was afraid you might have interchangeable barrels.
On second thought, wish I had interchangeable barrels.
(No even knows what that means......no one knows what it means but it’s provocative. (Movie and later Lyric reference))
I can satisfy with any barrel length necessary! :rofl:
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/blog/dan-wesson-revolvers-with-interchangeable-barrels
https://www.handgunsmag.com/editorial/dan-wesson-brings-back-its-legendary-switch-barrel-revolver/327992
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrLYZruNw_g
Ken Hackathorn is highly respected. I would like to see some rest accuracy numbers and I want to see the fit and finish and try the trigger myself. I forgot the original DA trigger stacks. That is huge if they all but eliminated it.
Great vid, thanks for posting.
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I can satisfy with any barrel length necessary! :rofl:
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/blog/dan-wesson-revolvers-with-interchangeable-barrels
https://www.handgunsmag.com/editorial/dan-wesson-brings-back-its-legendary-switch-barrel-revolver/327992
You are known for expertise with the 22 short ;D
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You are known for expertise with the 22 short ;D
Agreed. But the .22 Magnum is my specialty! 😂
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Both rimfires... ;D
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Both rimfires... ;D
And what is the most popular and in the highest demand in the US? You guessed it, the rimfire. :rofl:
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And what is the most popular and in the highest demand in the US? You guessed it, the rimfire. :rofl:
Yeah? Federal Champion is mostly duds. :rofl:
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CCI STINGER!
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https://youtu.be/I1bB8upFLdU
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Yeah? Federal Champion is mostly duds. :rofl:
Aguila SSS with EXTRA BIG HEAD!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2506135961
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https://youtu.be/I1bB8upFLdU
I'm not sure I agree completely with this guys premise that there is no hand fitting. In order to make a smooth trigger a lot of polishing needs to be done. Unless there is something I don't know (which is probably true) I believe that polishing is part of hand fitting. If, I am wrong and they can cast/machine with polished surfaces then I question the $1,500 price. Also, the frame/cylinder appears highly polished which traditionally is hand work. I could be wrong here. I'm not an expert.
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https://youtu.be/I1bB8upFLdU
I bet his collection made you :love:
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I've seen locally the new Colt Cobra with polished stainless selling for over 1k. the regular Cobra sells for around 650. that's a big markup for a polish job. so I guess in comparison, the Python with polished stainless will be more expensive
overall the new Colt revolvers are expensive that's for sure
maybe there is some hand fitting and polishing. I'm not sure, i'm no expert either. but I do know one thing.....they better hurry up and ship those darn revolvers already, people getting impatient. :D
side note, I saw somewhere, I forget where, but Kimber coming out with more revolvers too. I think I recall a target model, and a few other models that are new for 2020, supposed to come out at shot show. Kimber revolvers kind of expensive too
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I bet his collection made you :love:
yeah, hes got some nice ones! :thumbsup:
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I bet his collection made you :love:
:love: :love: :love:
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I've seen locally the new Colt Cobra with polished stainless selling for over 1k. the regular Cobra sells for around 650. that's a big markup for a polish job. so I guess in comparison, the Python with polished stainless will be more expensive
overall the new Colt revolvers are expensive that's for sure
maybe there is some hand fitting and polishing. I'm not sure, i'm no expert either. but I do know one thing.....they better hurry up and ship those darn revolvers already, people getting impatient. :D
side note, I saw somewhere, I forget where, but Kimber coming out with more revolvers too. I think I recall a target model, and a few other models that are new for 2020, supposed to come out at shot show. Kimber revolvers kind of expensive too
I often wondered about the hand fitting aspect. The points Yankee makes sense regarding current/modern manufacturing tolerances. The only things I've had to hand fit on my guns are fit for replacement sights, but I'm also not much of a tinkerer. From what I understand most (or maybe all) high end 1911s involve quite a bit of handfitting. That there are certain aspects that CNC machines aren't capable of, like checkering at a certain level.
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https://youtu.be/-jsIA4xeZtk
They tested with 12,000 .357 magnum!
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(http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/fd/3eadd431ed089825bdfa5d2ec23833e3.jpg)
after I get a Python, all I need is a Ford Gran Torino next :geekdanc:
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(http://www.imfdb.org/images/f/fd/3eadd431ed089825bdfa5d2ec23833e3.jpg)
after I get a Python, all I need is a Ford Gran Torino next :geekdanc:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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just yesterday on budsgunshop the Python was listed at 1299, today its listed at 1525
that's 326 increase overnight
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just yesterday on budsgunshop the Python was listed at 1299, today its listed at 1525
that's 326 increase overnight
Study long, study wrong ;D
On a side note, King Cobras on sale at HGS :thumbsup:
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Study long, study wrong ;D
On a side note, King Cobras on sale at HGS :thumbsup:
I went public school. :shaka:
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https://youtu.be/Ik-yt5lZEpc
Straight from the horse’s mouth!
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https://youtu.be/Ik-yt5lZEpc
Straight from the horse’s mouth!
I wish that horse's mouth would spit out some Pythons to Oahu
I've been waiting for years. hurry up!!! :D
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Watched the episode of American Rifleman TV in the Python
- Colt’s project to bring back the snake series was called Ford Mustang. (Hey Stang!)
- Holsters that fit the original will fit the new guns.
- Gunsite rangemaster’s opinion is that new Pythons are an improvement from the original (grains of salt added...) Seems like the trigger design is all new and smoother DA pull
Seems like a solid gun. Can’t wait till Stang gets his! ;D
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Watched the episode of American Rifleman TV in the Python
- Colt’s project to bring back the snake series was called Ford Mustang. (Hey Stang!)
- Holsters that fit the original will fit the new guns.
- Gunsite rangemaster’s opinion is that new Pythons are an improvement from the original (grains of salt added...) Seems like the trigger design is all new and smoother DA pull
Seems like a solid gun. Can’t wait till Stang gets his! ;D
Make me wait so long, I might get 2 :shaka:
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Make me wait so long, I might get 2 :shaka:
Repeat after me, my name is Stang and I’m a Coltaholic. :rofl:
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Watched the episode of American Rifleman TV in the Python
- Colt’s project to bring back the snake series was called Ford Mustang. (Hey Stang!)
- Holsters that fit the original will fit the new guns.
- Gunsite rangemaster’s opinion is that new Pythons are an improvement from the original (grains of salt added...) Seems like the trigger design is all new and smoother DA pull
Seems like a solid gun. Can’t wait till Stang gets his! ;D
I watched this last night as well. I am convinced I want one. I still want to handle one and maybe shoot one before I buy. But considering how great the DA and SA trigger sounds I need to see/feel one. The highly polished finish looks terrific as well. After I move I will need to seek out all the LGS around me so I can find one in stock.
I envision the 4.25” barrel version to be part of my OWB carry rotation along with my S&W Model 10 and Ruger Speed Six. I’m still thinking about what I want for pocket carry.
My favorite revolver cartridge and one of my favorite overall revolver cartridges is the .357/.38 Spl. Except for the .45 Colt cartridge, there is no more versatile cartridge available for purchase and for us reloaders to experiment with. There are so many different flavors being loaded in commercial ammo. And the .357 Magnum is a proven self defense round. The FBI has a tremendous amount of data on the .357 stopping power. Adding another .357/.38 Spl to my stable is a no brainer.
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Make me wait so long, I might get 2 :shaka:
One 4.25" and a 6" version! :geekdanc:
I watched this last night as well. I am convinced I want one. I still want to handle one and maybe shoot one before I buy. But considering how great the DA and SA trigger sounds I need to see/feel one. The highly polished finish looks terrific as well. After I move I will need to seek out all the LGS around me so I can find one in stock.
I envision the 4.25” barrel version to be part of my OWB carry rotation along with my S&W Model 10 and Ruger Speed Six. I’m still thinking about what I want for pocket carry.
My favorite revolver cartridge and one of my favorite overall revolver cartridges is the .357/.38 Spl. Except for the .45 Colt cartridge, there is no more versatile cartridge available for purchase and for us reloaders to experiment with. There are so many different flavors being loaded in commercial ammo. And the .357 Magnum is a proven self defense round. The FBI has a tremendous amount of data on the .357 stopping power. Adding another .357/.38 Spl to my stable is a no brainer.
I always take the feedback on that show with many grains of salt. That said, they don't interview the Gunsite rangemaster guy very often and his feedback seemed quite genuine. I also liked what the Colt reps had to day. Yeah, their sales pitch and stuff, but I liked what they had to say. I'll wait until more consumer level reviews come out, but the Hackenthorn video was pretty good.
Personally, I want one. That said, there are lots of stuff that I want. :( Add and SP101 in both .357/.38 and 9 mm. I'm well into the "nice to have" realm of firearms. But always thinking of the practical side of things (I will shoot all these guns) as well as value, both $$$ and show off. ;D
And you make like you were on the fence about getting one. . .
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I would like 1 in stainless, and 1 in blue, but the Cobra comes in a Night Cobra with DLC coating not blued. I'd rather have stainless than DLC. But hoping they do a blueing. Or maybe some specialty place like lipseys or Tyler gun works will do a special finish job, but that's just wishful thinking.
I'd rather get the 6 inch, but I would be more than happy with the 4.25 inch too
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I watched this last night as well. I am convinced I want one. I still want to handle one and maybe shoot one before I buy. But considering how great the DA and SA trigger sounds I need to see/feel one. The highly polished finish looks terrific as well. After I move I will need to seek out all the LGS around me so I can find one in stock.
I envision the 4.25” barrel version to be part of my OWB carry rotation along with my S&W Model 10 and Ruger Speed Six. I’m still thinking about what I want for pocket carry.
My favorite revolver cartridge and one of my favorite overall revolver cartridges is the .357/.38 Spl. Except for the .45 Colt cartridge, there is no more versatile cartridge available for purchase and for us reloaders to experiment with. There are so many different flavors being loaded in commercial ammo. And the .357 Magnum is a proven self defense round. The FBI has a tremendous amount of data on the .357 stopping power. Adding another .357/.38 Spl to my stable is a no brainer.
Pocket carry.....Colt Cobra
But LCR and J frame are smaller than the cobra
The LCR is my answer the doorbell pocket carry
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I would like 1 in stainless, and 1 in blue, but the Cobra comes in a Night Cobra with DLC coating not blued. I'd rather have stainless than DLC. But hoping they do a blueing. Or maybe some specialty place like lipseys or Tyler gun works will do a special finish job, but that's just wishful thinking.
I'd rather get the 6 inch, but I would be more than happy with the 4.25 inch too
Cue Mr. Tourettes in
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Pocket carry.....Colt Cobra
But LCR and J frame are smaller than the cobra
The LCR is my answer the doorbell pocket carry
Another 2a shoot. Pocket carry guns.
SP101
Colt Cobra
LCR
;D
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Another 2a shoot. Pocket carry guns.
SP101
Colt Cobra
LCR
;D
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...I'd rather get the 6 inch, but I would be more than happy with the 4.25 inch too
TMI
I'd rather not hear about your personal life... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Ken Hackathorn is highly respected. I would like to see some rest accuracy numbers and I want to see the fit and finish and try the trigger myself. I forgot the original DA trigger stacks. That is huge if they all but eliminated it.
Great vid, thanks for posting.
Just watched the whole video. Good points on revolver shooting than just being about the Python. I haven't experienced the DA trigger stacking. Maybe I'll do some dry firing tonight.
I still think the original Pythons will hold value, even if the reboot does really well and is a better shooter than the original. Mine isn't going anywhere. Maybe the range, but not much further than that. ;D
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TMI
I'd rather not hear about your personal life... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
clips
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Just watched the whole video. Good points on revolver shooting than just being about the Python. I haven't experienced the DA trigger stacking. Maybe I'll do some dry firing tonight.
I still think the original Pythons will hold value, even if the reboot does really well and is a better shooter than the original. Mine isn't going anywhere. Maybe the range, but not much further than that. ;D
I agree, the old ones will hold value
Like a new Mustang Bullitt. It's better than the original, but the original is still worth more
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I agree, the old ones will hold value
Like a new Mustang Bullitt. It's better than the original, but the original is still worth more
The benefit of having a "reboot" version of a classic is how much new interest in the classic they create.
No such thing as "bad publicity".
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I agree, the old ones will hold value
Like a new Mustang Bullitt. It's better than the original, but the original is still worth more
A what? ???
:rofl:
I like to shoot all of my guns. Though the Python is one that I can't seem to take out of the safe when I head to the range.
The benefit of having a "reboot" version of a classic is how much new interest in the classic they create.
No such thing as "bad publicity".
My thinking too. Re-energizes things in general for the "snake line".
Colt Anaconda next? :hmm:
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A what? ???
:rofl:
I like to shoot all of my guns. Though the Python is one that I can't seem to take out of the safe when I head to the range.
My thinking too. Re-energizes things in general for the "snake line".
Colt Anaconda next? :hmm:
You never heard of the Bullitt Mustang?
Or the movie Bullitt with Steve McQueen?
I'll buy the Anaconda too. :thumbsup:
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You never heard of the Bullitt Mustang?
Or the movie Bullitt with Steve McQueen?
I'll buy the Anaconda too. :thumbsup:
I’m more of a Salem Mustang guy ;D
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I’m more of a Salem Mustang guy ;D
a witch mustang?
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a witch mustang?
Saleen
Autocorrect witch :(
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Being a .22 aficionado I can hardly wait to see if/when they come out with a Cobra and/or Diamondback in .22. :love: :love: :love: :love:
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Meecum auctions are auctioning the original Bullitt Mustang from Steve McQueen this weekend
My guess is it will go for over 500k
The new ones go for about 50k
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Study long, study wrong ;D
On a side note, King Cobras on sale at HGS :thumbsup:
now price is 1396. this time you can do the math yourself. at least it went down from 1525
that's a difference of 129 :D
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Fondled my (dad's old) Python last night and I noticed the trigger stacking that Hackathorn mentioned. I haven't shot it yet and when I did dry fire, it was mostly the SA trigger. Noticed the trigger stacking and the sort of wall near the end of the DA pull. I'll have to get a trigger scale one of these days.
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Does the revolver used by Sgt. Al (Die Hard) sound like that? Or was it movie sounds?
I've fired other revolvers and they sound way diff.
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Does the revolver used by Sgt. Al (Die Hard) sound like that? Or was it movie sounds?
I've fired other revolvers and they sound way diff.
Why does it matter what the revolver sounds like? ???
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revolver sound is much more macho sounding than semiauto :crazy:
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revolver sound is much more macho sounding than semiauto :crazy:
Dogman’s .500 S&W is manly sounding for sure.
For semi-autos, the “poof poof” ammo sounds cute. :rofl:
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what I also like about the new Python is the grips are the same size/fitting as the old ones, and you can change out the front sights very easily with an allen wrench
same as the Cobra. but the grip size is different than the old ones on the Cobra.
I put G10 grips on the Cobra and XS night sight on the front. I haven't shot it yet with these changes, i'm probably going tomorrow to test it out. the trigger is also non-stacking, 8-9lbs DA and 3-4 lbs SA, so i'm thinking it is very similar to the new Python trigger
I already have a sight and grip picked out for the Python :D
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48920633088_c7cdb649c8_b.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48920633753_b91e1ef2a7_b.jpg)
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The front sight flexibility is definitely a plus. The front sight on the original is fixed and just has the orange insert section. My preference is for FO front sights and plain second.
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for range I like the fiber optic sight, easier to see that iron
for the Cobra, it came with fiber optic, but since its more of a defensive revolver I wanted tritium night sight. I can always switch back if I change my mind
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Meecum auctions are auctioning the original Bullitt Mustang from Steve McQueen this weekend
My guess is it will go for over 500k
The new ones go for about 50k
My prediction of 500k was slightly off. It sold for 3.7 million $$
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/cars/bullitt-mustang-auction-record-price/index.html
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https://youtu.be/H2gyAlEBM6c
Some have a problem with the recessed crown
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https://youtu.be/y0dJPxXmhtc
Light primer strikes
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https://youtu.be/y0dJPxXmhtc
Light primer strikes
More than that the cylinder stopped turning at one point as well. He needs to send it back and have the factory fix it.
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https://youtu.be/H2gyAlEBM6c
Some have a problem with the recessed crown
This should have never left the factory like that. That is bad QC IMHO.
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Since weather was bad today, I dindnt go kokohead. Instead I went to a few LGS to check on ETA of the Python
Result is nobody saying nothing. No ETA on the Python
I did, however, see a 1911 I really like. About same price as the Python. >:D
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Got to handle 1 today, but not fire it. Idk what to compare it to, but it was cool.
Had a guy rotating the cylinder and said something about how its even .
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Hickok 45 on the new Python.
https://youtu.be/7dO-lQEX49U
And yes he had a problem with it at the end of his shooting the cylinder stopped turning. Sounds like a common problem.
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Hickok 45 on the new Python.
https://youtu.be/7dO-lQEX49U
And yes he had a problem with it at the end of his shooting the cylinder stopped turning. Sounds like a common problem.
I just watched that too
Now, that 1911 I saw is looking better than this Python
I'd hate to get a Python that doesn't work right
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I just watched that too
Now, that 1911 I saw is looking better than this Python
I'd hate to get a Python that doesn't work right
I’m sure they will fix whatever the problem is. Since I am waiting before I buy one we will find out what the issue is and see if they recall the gun or just fix the problem on an individual basis. What I am concerned with is if it becomes a major recall, how that will affect Colt financially? Let’s face it, they are not terribly stable financially right now.
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I’m sure they will fix whatever the problem is. Since I am waiting before I buy one we will find out what the issue is and see if they recall the gun or just fix the problem on an individual basis. What I am concerned with is if it becomes a major recall, how that will affect Colt financially? Let’s face it, they are not terribly stable financially right now.
I'm sure the financial impact will depend on the type of fix. Replacing a cylinder will be much worse for them than replacing a spring or catch or, even better, make a minor adjustment to a small part. I bet they have "top people" looking into the reported problem as we speak (type).
Sig took a long time to issue a recall on the P320 for the drop-fire issue. They refused to label it a recall, as that does impact finances (and stock prices), because it is an admission they caused the problem. When they finally did offer a fix, it was purely a voluntary program, as they felt the chances of a loaded gun being dropped AND being in that exact orientation on impact AND the discharged round hitting someone would be extremely rare. Sig blamed the incomplete mandated test procedures for the gun leaving the factory with the problem (they weren't required to test dropping a P320 with a chambered round with the rear of the grip hitting the floor first). The trigger was of the right weight and without any safety mechanisms to allow inertia to move the trigger to the "fire" position.
In this case, it's not really a safety issue, so the priority will not be as high from a recall stance. But, if they want to sell more of them, these issues need to be addressed quickly and without costing the owner a penny.
Anyone here think there's a mole in Colt's factory sabotaging the production line? One would think if it's a design or manufacturing flaw, Colt would have seen it long before release.
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especially when they said they spent the last 5 years developing the Python.
if you take that long, should be near perfect
i'm definitely not going to order it online. I need to handle it in my hands first before buying
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i'm definitely not going to order it online. I need to handle it in my hands first before buying
I’m of the same mindset. My finances are too important to me to buy something this expensive without handling it and verifying fit and finish first. Too many of my friends buy guns without at least physically handling them and shoot them once or twice and then sell them because they don’t like it.
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I'm sure the financial impact will depend on the type of fix. Replacing a cylinder will be much worse for them than replacing a spring or catch or, even better, make a minor adjustment to a small part. I bet they have "top people" looking into the reported problem as we speak (type).
Sig took a long time to issue a recall on the P320 for the drop-fire issue. They refused to label it a recall, as that does impact finances (and stock prices), because it is an admission they caused the problem. When they finally did offer a fix, it was purely a voluntary program, as they felt the chances of a loaded gun being dropped AND being in that exact orientation on impact AND the discharged round hitting someone would be extremely rare. Sig blamed the incomplete mandated test procedures for the gun leaving the factory with the problem (they weren't required to test dropping a P320 with a chambered round with the rear of the grip hitting the floor first). The trigger was of the right weight and without any safety mechanisms to allow inertia to move the trigger to the "fire" position.
In this case, it's not really a safety issue, so the priority will not be as high from a recall stance. But, if they want to sell more of them, these issues need to be addressed quickly and without costing the owner a penny.
Anyone here think there's a mole in Colt's factory sabotaging the production line? One would think if it's a design or manufacturing flaw, Colt would have seen it long before release.
You would think that there is 1 guy in the R&D department who's job it is to find faults with all their guns. Like taking a new model and droping it in every angle and from different heights, in holsters, in a box, etc...
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You would think that there is 1 guy in the R&D department who's job it is to find faults with all their guns. Like taking a new model and droping it in every angle and from different heights, in holsters, in a box, etc...
Unfortunately, the cost of testing guns beyond the standards set by SAAMI is prohibitive.
If every degree on the X, Y, and Z axes is a data point, there are over 46 million potential orientations in which to drop a firearm. ...
Unfortunately, the SIG SAUER P320 has shown an unacceptably high potential for firing when dropped on a hard surface in at
least one general orientation: on the back edge of its slide. SIG refers to this as a “negative 30 degree angle” and
agrees that the P320 has shown a specific vulnerability to it.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/mechanics-behind-sig-p320-drop-safety-failures/
The gun maker notably stated that the P320 design met SAAMI standards for drop testing, which requires the handgun — loaded
with a primed case and magazine full of dummy rounds — fall 4 feet onto a 1-inch thick rubber mat backed by concrete at six
specific, 90-degree angles to determine if the gun will discharge.While the design meets those standards, the video shows that the
gun will discharge if it impacts the ground on the rear of the slide and frame when dropped at a 30-degree angle.
https://www.guns.com/news/2017/08/14/drop-standards-sig-saur-p320
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who knows how long it will take for this revolver to get to a Hawaii LGS
in the meantime, i'm going to do some trigger jobs on some of my revolvers I already have: Ruger Redhawk, S&W 629, S&W 627, S&W 586. I ordered Wolff spring kits for all of those. I already did trigger spring upgrades on my 2 GP100's which I really like. I haven't shot the 6" GP with the upgraded springs yet, but the 3" GP is much better now
we'll see how it goes with the S&W revolvers. the DA on the new 629 is pretty darn heavy, just as heavy maybe heavier than my Redhawk.
maybe after I improve the triggers, no need the Python. we'll see. >:D
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who knows how long it will take for this revolver to get to a Hawaii LGS
in the meantime, i'm going to do some trigger jobs on some of my revolvers I already have: Ruger Redhawk, S&W 629, S&W 627, S&W 586. I ordered Wolff spring kits for all of those. I already did trigger spring upgrades on my 2 GP100's which I really like. I haven't shot the 6" GP with the upgraded springs yet, but the 3" GP is much better now
we'll see how it goes with the S&W revolvers. the DA on the new 629 is pretty darn heavy, just as heavy maybe heavier than my Redhawk.
maybe after I improve the triggers, no need the Python. we'll see. >:D
I have a couple of S&W revolvers with trigger work done by a gunsmith. There is definitely a big difference between these triggers and the one on my 627 Performance Center revolver. That trigger is nice, but the worked on triggers are great. I need the Python like a hole in my head. But to own one is a luxury for me. I’m thinking of it as a retirement gift to myself. I would still like to own an older model in blue and walnut. I’m just going to see how things work out I guess. Who knows?
I think having your trigger jobs done is an excellent choice. For me, it makes them more enjoyable to shoot. And this will give you time to think about whether a Python belongs in your safe or not. :thumbsup:
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Unfortunately, the cost of testing guns beyond the standards set by SAAMI is prohibitive.
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/mechanics-behind-sig-p320-drop-safety-failures/
https://www.guns.com/news/2017/08/14/drop-standards-sig-saur-p320
Shouldnt cost that much. Pay part time and also give free guns /ammo. Load with primers only when dropping so u can tell if it strikes.
And include firing dual pistols. Would have found the striker drag in the 365.
Fixing it cost more.
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Shouldnt cost that much. Pay part time and also give free guns /ammo. Load with primers only when dropping so u can tell if it strikes.
And include firing dual pistols. Would have found the striker drag in the 365.
Fixing it cost more.
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Part of my background is in system testing. The process is a lot more specific than "go to the range and report any problems."
A formal test team creates test scenarios based on design and functionality documentation, official standards, and in-house procedures. The idea is to create test procedures that include all required tests and which can be reproduced. That way, if you have a possible failure, you can repeat the test exactly to try and reproduce the error. Same ammo, same cylinder in the same gun, same action (DA or SA), etc, etc. Each factor or detail is described and recorded.
Even now that there's a potential problem reported, their test team needs to gather details from the owners' experiences, define the steps, and maybe even obtain ammo from those owners. They have to replicate every variable possible to see if they can reproduce the problem. One of the most annoying responses to a problem report is "unable to reproduce." That's basically telling you, "It's not us .... it's you." :wtf:
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https://youtu.be/y0dJPxXmhtc
Light primer strikes
My initial reaction was Hillbilly operator error of short stroking the DA trigger. I’ve seen it with rapid fire. That said, I thought signs of that was no primer strike or strike on the case rim. At least was my thought when he had failures in “rapid fire” as well as when the cartridge went off in SA. But I didn’t see many typical signs of short stroking, at least with the primer strike marks near the center of the primer.
ETA - I’ve had very bad experiences with Armscor ammo. Both 5.56 and 9 mm. To the point where I won’t buy.
Hickok 45 on the new Python.
https://youtu.be/7dO-lQEX49U
And yes he had a problem with it at the end of his shooting the cylinder stopped turning. Sounds like a common problem.
Video was too long for me to watch tonight. But Hickok45 has more cred than Mr. Walking Dead. I would think he was letting the trigger all the way out and not short stroke.
Disappointing overall. I’m not revolver expert, but seems like Colt at minimum has a lot to looking into and as best, some apparent QVC issues.
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I have a couple of S&W revolvers with trigger work done by a gunsmith. There is definitely a big difference between these triggers and the one on my 627 Performance Center revolver. That trigger is nice, but the worked on triggers are great. I need the Python like a hole in my head. But to own one is a luxury for me. I’m thinking of it as a retirement gift to myself. I would still like to own an older model in blue and walnut. I’m just going to see how things work out I guess. Who knows?
I think having your trigger jobs done is an excellent choice. For me, it makes them more enjoyable to shoot. And this will give you time to think about whether a Python belongs in your safe or not. :thumbsup:
me too, I don't need the Python, but I would really like to have one. I don't want to spend upwards of 3k for an original one, its not that important to me. since the new ones are more "affordable", then I really wanted one
now seeing these issues, it kind of killed my enthusiasm for the Python. it moved down a few spots on my list of firearm things to get.
I enjoy tinkering/upgrading firearms, as well as other things, so i'm looking forward to how the triggers on my other revolvers turn out
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me too, I don't need the Python, but I would really like to have one. I don't want to spend upwards of 3k for an original one, its not that important to me. since the new ones are more "affordable", then I really wanted one
now seeing these issues, it kind of killed my enthusiasm for the Python. it moved down a few spots on my list of firearm things to get.
I enjoy tinkering/upgrading firearms, as well as other things, so i'm looking forward to how the triggers on my other revolvers turn out
I was already in wait and see and the recent feedback might extend that much longer. Maybe to the point of killing interest as well.
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Now its listed $1999 on Buds
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I talked this over with my wife and she told me to wait and get an original Python. :love: :love: :love:
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I talked this over with my wife and she told me to wait and get an original Python. :love: :love: :love:
On one hand, this is :geekdanc:
On the other hand, GET BOTH!
Hopefully your irises have recovered by now. ;D
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https://youtu.be/8-Dbq1nLdX0
Could explain the problems. But Yankee Marshall doesn't like Hickok45, so video may be one sided
That younger guy that had problems didnt seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer either
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https://youtu.be/8-Dbq1nLdX0
Could explain the problems. But Yankee Marshall doesn't like Hickok45, so video may be one sided
That younger guy that had problems didnt seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer either
You mean the "light primah strahkes" guy"?
Yup, they were some interesting hillbillies for sure. But seriously, while I think some of that video was the guy short stroking the trigger, it seemed like there were some problems. I also expected some level of hate on the Pythons and people shitting on them for no reason other than they are "X brand" fanboys.
Sad though. Will see how it was perceived at SHOT, but the excitement for me has faded away. . . :(
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and that younger guy kept on pulling the trigger even tho cylinder wasn't turning and rounds weren't igniting. not the safest practice of shooting a revolver.
but it did seem like something is wrong with the gun
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https://youtu.be/8-Dbq1nLdX0
Could explain the problems. But Yankee Marshall doesn't like Hickok45, so video may be one sided
That younger guy that had problems didnt seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer either
I can't stand yankee marshall. He does a lot of whining and shit talking, and it's his way or the highway. He's the definition of an attention whore. Unsubbed from him years ago. Hickok was singing praises through the whole vid before it broke. YM is a nincompoop IMO
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I posted the photo but there is a guy on FB that bought a new Python and opened up the box and it is missing the frame screw on the right side.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9FVtVgeQYM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9FVtVgeQYM
Wow, that is horrible.... Sad
I once took a look at one of those new production m1 carbine at a LGS that had a crown that looked like that. I asked them what the price was, when they told me IIRC $1400, I laughed at them...
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https://youtu.be/7Y1Gn-bGUSE
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Arms Unlimited has a NIB 1975 Colt Python, blued 4 inch barrel, 357 Mag for $2850.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DAglRLcmmU&t=10s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSBuhMC5JLA
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Warmed over nostalgia does not fail to disappoint once again!
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I may have to put this on the back burner for a while
got bills to pay. big bills. :(
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https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/411559134
retail is now over $2k. that's out of my range for a Python. if its this much now, I think I have better things to buy with $2k
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https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/411559134
retail is now over $2k. that's out of my range for a Python. if its this much now, I think I have better things to buy with $2k
2Gs! :o
Defintely have other things for that much money. . .
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ok, where's all the snark about price gouging NOW? >:D
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ok, where's all the snark about price gouging NOW? >:D
it's all about you, jc
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2Gs! :o
Defintely have other things for that much money. . .
Yup, too much for my blood. The price gouging is horrific. Especially considering the retail price is $1,500.
I don’t remember where I read or watched a video regarding the actual problems with the new Python, but these are the numbers as I remember them. My memory may be distorted so please don’t count me on these. It is for reference only. The factory reported selling around 2,500 total. And out of those around 22-25 came back for repairs. Most of those were cosmetic repairs. While most of the rest had something to do with the side plate being loose. It was stated that the loose side plate could cause the intermittent issues we saw with Hickok and others. The only real issue the company addressed was the claim of occasional light primer strikes. They apparently increased the strength of the hammer spring in response to this. If these numbers are accurate I would say there is no problem with the design. Nor with the quality of the piece. Mostly just a problem with their QC letting a few pieces out that shouldn’t have.
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Yup, too much for my blood. The price gouging is horrific. Especially considering the retail price is $1,500.
I don’t remember where I read or watched a video regarding the actual problems with the new Python, but these are the numbers as I remember them. My memory may be distorted so please don’t count me on these. It is for reference only. The factory reported selling around 2,500 total. And out of those around 22-25 came back for repairs. Most of those were cosmetic repairs. While most of the rest had something to do with the side plate being loose. It was stated that the loose side plate could cause the intermittent issues we saw with Hickok and others. The only real issue the company addressed was the claim of occasional light primer strikes. They apparently increased the strength of the hammer spring in response to this. If these numbers are accurate I would say there is no problem with the design. Nor with the quality of the piece. Mostly just a problem with their QC letting a few pieces out that shouldn’t have.
Well, that's good if they seemed to have worked out all the kinks, or that the kinks were hopefully easily remedied and not major flaws.
I am not very nostalgic when it comes to guns. Yeah, the guns my dad left me will have special meaning, but not really for any other gun. Not even the first gun I bought. While I am still interested in the reboot of the Python, if it was in the $800-1000 price range, I would likely give it a go.
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https://www.guns.com/firearms/handguns/revolver/colt-python-stainless-2020-357-magnum-38-special-double-action-6-rounds-4-25-barrel-2-63-lbs-new?p=64894
$2249.97
why not just say 2250. but anyways, price keeps climbing for the new Pythons
I'm glad I picked up a nice Springfield 1911 for much cheaper. I could probably add on a S&W PC revolver, combined with the 1911, about the same price as the new Python
i'm not too happy with Colt and how the price is so high on the Python bc supply is so low. maybe its a great revolver, but I wouldn't know bc there arent any to look at. also how they recently went out of the AR business to the civilian market and then when price is going high and demand is high, now they want to cash in on the market. i can get double the quantity of firearm and have at least or higher quality than Colt. i have 1 Colt, the Cobra. its a nice gun but its not leaps and bounds over a Ruger or S&W of similar value. its not like the Python is in super high demand like an AR these days. i'm no market genius but seems to me that Colt could have a corner on the higher end revolver market. forget the AR and SA revolvers for now, just produce a ton of Pythons for a few months and sell them for 1300 which they were selling for at the beginning. i bet they would make more money selling Pythons at a cheaper price than selling AR's at an inflated price. everyone and their momma makes AR's, but only Colt makes the Python. that could be their marketing slogan
2250 is just too high price for me. theres better things i could buy for that money. maybe if i was uber rich, i'd still get one, maybe not. but i'm not so its out of the question now
i've been thinking for a while: wait for the Python, or plan B: get a good 1911, and that's what i did, just gotta wait for my hpd appts
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i've been thinking for a while: wait for the Python, or plan B: get a good 1911, and that's what i did, just gotta wait for my hpd appts
I agree that the pricing is too high. What range of 1911 are you looking at?
I've long wanted a nice WC or Nighthawk, but I still have a difficult time going for it at that price range. Maybe a nice SA 1911.
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I agree that the pricing is too high. What range of 1911 are you looking at?
I've long wanted a nice WC or Nighthawk, but I still have a difficult time going for it at that price range. Maybe a nice SA 1911.
a few weeks ago i bought a Springfield Long Beach Operator, made for the Long Beach swat team, limited production but its not custom. its built on the Loaded Operator platform. has flared magwell and Trijicon night sights.
i would love to get a Nighthawk custom, or Les Baer, or wilson combat, or TRP Operator. although i like the GI recoil system instead of the full length rod thats in the TRP platform
we'll see how it shoots when i pick it up in a couple months
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a few weeks ago i bought a Springfield Long Beach Operator, made for the Long Beach swat team, limited production but its not custom. its built on the Loaded Operator platform. has flared magwell and Trijicon night sights.
i would love to get a Nighthawk custom, or Les Baer, or wilson combat, or TRP Operator. although i like the GI recoil system instead of the full length rod thats in the TRP platform
we'll see how it shoots when i pick it up in a couple months
I was looking at the Range Officer and Loaded lines, but there are lots of other lines/models that looked good to me. Including the Loaded Operator. I used to really want a TRP at one point too.
I recall you posting about the LBO. Sweet! Too bad it is stuck on "registration jail". :(
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https://www.guns.com/firearms/handguns/revolver/colt-python-stainless-2020-357-magnum-38-special-double-action-6-rounds-4-25-barrel-2-63-lbs-new?p=64894
$2249.97
why not just say 2250. but anyways, price keeps climbing for the new Pythons
I'm glad I picked up a nice Springfield 1911 for much cheaper. I could probably add on a S&W PC revolver, combined with the 1911, about the same price as the new Python
i'm not too happy with Colt and how the price is so high on the Python bc supply is so low. maybe its a great revolver, but I wouldn't know bc there arent any to look at. also how they recently went out of the AR business to the civilian market and then when price is going high and demand is high, now they want to cash in on the market. i can get double the quantity of firearm and have at least or higher quality than Colt. i have 1 Colt, the Cobra. its a nice gun but its not leaps and bounds over a Ruger or S&W of similar value. its not like the Python is in super high demand like an AR these days. i'm no market genius but seems to me that Colt could have a corner on the higher end revolver market. forget the AR and SA revolvers for now, just produce a ton of Pythons for a few months and sell them for 1300 which they were selling for at the beginning. i bet they would make more money selling Pythons at a cheaper price than selling AR's at an inflated price. everyone and their momma makes AR's, but only Colt makes the Python. that could be their marketing slogan
2250 is just too high price for me. theres better things i could buy for that money. maybe if i was uber rich, i'd still get one, maybe not. but i'm not so its out of the question now
i've been thinking for a while: wait for the Python, or plan B: get a good 1911, and that's what i did, just gotta wait for my hpd appts
That’s waaaay too much money. We are talking close to what a classic Python goes for. I’d rather own an original in blue and wood for a little more money. I have taken a couple of my Smiths to a gunsmith and had some work done on them. And for a lot less money than a Python I have 2 revolvers that are extremely enjoyable to shoot.
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That’s waaaay too much money. We are talking close to what a classic Python goes for. I’d rather own an original in blue and wood for a little more money. I have taken a couple of my Smiths to a gunsmith and had some work done on them. And for a lot less money than a Python I have 2 revolvers that are extremely enjoyable to shoot.
I did trigger spring upgrades on my 6" GP100 and 3" GP100 Wiley Clapp, also changed the sights and grips on the 6". the 3" already had good grips and a brass bead front sight so I left those alone.
now they shoot really well. the 6" is one of my most accurate and 1 of my favorite revolvers. They aren't Pythons but they are great revolvers. the 6" is from 1990 and looks like new. the 2 former owners hardly shot it
unless the Python get a whole lot cheaper, i'm going to pass on it
I did see a S&W PC 44mag short barrel that I might take a look at. I don't really like a short barrel 44mag, but if the trigger is good and it feels good in my hand, i'll just have to reload for it or shoot 44sp. but that's just a thought for now
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I did trigger spring upgrades on my 6" GP100 and 3" GP100 Wiley Clapp, also changed the sights and grips on the 6". the 3" already had good grips and a brass bead front sight so I left those alone.
now they shoot really well. the 6" is one of my most accurate and 1 of my favorite revolvers. They aren't Pythons but they are great revolvers. the 6" is from 1990 and looks like new. the 2 former owners hardly shot it
unless the Python get a whole lot cheaper, i'm going to pass on it
I did see a S&W PC 44mag short barrel that I might take a look at. I don't really like a short barrel 44mag, but if the trigger is good and it feels good in my hand, i'll just have to reload for it or shoot 44sp. but that's just a thought for now
I think the mystique of the Original Python is the only thing attractive to me any more. The Pythons of the day were legendary. Great triggers, a smaller lighter frame, still holds six shots, accuracy with just about anything you put through it. Not to mention the bright blue finish and high quality walnut grips. But here it is 50 years later and Smith and Ruger are still making great revolvers. At a much better price. A few years ago I picked up a couple of 70’s era Smiths for $250 each. I added a little for gunsmithing. Add a little for some exotic wood grips. With my reloads they are as accurate and with the trigger work they are just as enjoyable to shoot as a Python. They are not quite as beautiful as the Original Python, but the older Smiths are almost as good looking. So now the Original Python is nothing more than a childhood dream. The new Python is desirable at MSRP or less. But not more.
There are a couple of High Standards out here I want to buy first. But I am still on the lookout for that project revolver I spoke about earlier. I’m still looking for a 60’s or 70’s and maybe even an 80’s Smith or Ruger. Preferably in 41Mag or SPL. Maybe even in one of the 32’s. But I’ll take a 44 or 357 depending on model and price. And just recently I was offered a project Spanish Mauser for $100. The owner took it all apart and couldn’t put it back together. But even worse, couldn’t find a firing pin for it. I found a firing pin and a gunsmith out here that has two parts Mausers so I’ll use him to complete this project for me (Headspace and safety check). Matter of fact I am taking it to him today. If he does a nice job then I’ll have him do some trigger work on my 627 PC. But if that project revolver becomes available then it will get priority.