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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: zippz on January 15, 2020, 07:23:20 PM
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Mahalo to all the modern day minutemen who came out to the Capitol to stop infringements on our 2nd Amendment rights. 2-27-2020
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Here are the bills I screened. Please let me know if I missed any. This is constantly updated
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iYuzDfCN8SvUH3lfqeXrvcv5NVSQeuq57eNbTZP2VoQ/edit?usp=sharing
All the opportunities you had to supply testimony for each currently active bill:
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Videos on how the bills become law, how to testify, and how to look up bills go to:
https://lrb.hawaii.gov/par/engagement-101
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Thanks Zipps
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Initial batch of bills are listed in the table, still 4 more days of introductions. Many of these gun control bills were written by HPD.
HB1598 re: carry permits has a couple of good elements to it such as being valid statewide instead of by county, and AG approves (I know) permits instead of the chiefs. However the bad far outweights the good as fees go up to $100 per year and it requires a firearms safety class every year. This could also be used to derail the Young v Hawaii open carry case as the AG has been pushing the chiefs to issue some permits to invalidate the lawsuit.
HB1599 gets rid of the 1 year long gun permit so you must apply each time like with handguns.
HB1600 eliminates the 15/75 day loaning of firearms. This affects hunters, loaning guns to friends, loaning guns for someone to defend themselves, spouses w/o dual registration etc. This also eliminates the last chance for those under 21 to posses a firearm on their own.
HB1615. I'm neutral on this bill as I don't think more laws are needed, however I understand the reason. I would like to amend it to exclude your property and place of sojourn instead of just your dwelling.
HB1733 Restricts 80% receivers and requires them to be sold with a serial number and with a permit. There have been crimes commited with 80%s recently. However still opposed to this bill because people should be able to buy it freely and the government officials aren't doing their job to keep criminals locked away.
HB1736 Rifle mags >10 rounds. Everyone better show up in person at the committee hearing to oppose this.
HB1790 Stand your ground. Looks pretty good...I'm surprised this came up from representative. :thumbsup:
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Tracker is updated with all the bills to date. Last day for bill introductions is Thursday. Too many to go over, look at the list.
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Updated again. First committee referrals came out and it's not good with a single referral in the House to JUD. It makes the bills easier to pass and reduces some of our already slight chances of stopping them.
Got bills for US Nationals from American Samoa and my HB2479/SB2728 bill which reimburses attorneys fees and stuff if you're found not guilty due to self-defense which should be agreeable to most. Theres Rhoads bill which requires you to report firearms moved out of state.
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HB 1736 (10 runs capacity) cites stuff from Gifford et al. Can someone link studies that counter that? I found one from Cato.org, but haven’t vetted the info.
Any links to studies about impact, or lack thereof, of the 1994 AWB, which I believe included restrictions on mag capacity.
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Updated again. First committee referrals came out and it's not good with a single referral in the House to JUD. It makes the bills easier to pass and reduces some of our already slight chances of stopping them.
Got bills for US Nationals from American Samoa and my HB2479/SB2728 bill which reimburses attorneys fees and stuff if you're found not guilty due to self-defense which should be agreeable to most. Theres Rhoads bill which requires you to report firearms moved out of state.
So with the added sentence (e) Every person who permanently moves firearms out of the State shall contact the department where the firearms are registered to notify such department that the firearms have been moved out of State within five days of having been removed from the State. will HoPo or other PD send you an official statement that they have removed the registered firearms from their roles? Otherwise it's moot. Also, this is just a crap move as they have no jurisdiction over you once you leave the state.
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I think we should all support this one
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2020/bills/SB2201_.HTM
Go to Home Depot and make a $20 pipe shotgun and turn it in for $200 or whatever will be
SB2201
A BILL FOR AN ACT
RELATING TO FIREARMS.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF HAWAII:
SECTION 1. (a) The department of public safety shall establish a voluntary firearm buyback center in each county in the State. Each center shall adopt a "no questions asked" policy and allow citizens to turn in any unwanted firearm in return for compensation.
(b) The department shall adopt rules in accordance with chapter 91 to implement this section.
SECTION 2. There is appropriated out of the general revenues of the State of Hawaii the sum of $ or so much thereof as may be necessary for fiscal year 2020-2021 for the establishment of a firearm buyback center in each county in the State.
The sum appropriated shall be expended by the department of public safety for the purposes of this Act.
SECTION 3. This Act shall take effect on July 1, 2020.
INTRODUCED BY:
_____________________________
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SB2635
wow, cant buy ammo unless you demonstrate you own the registered firearm for which the ammo is for.
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SB2635
wow, cant buy ammo unless you demonstrate you own the registered firearm for which the ammo is for.
Sorry sir, you can't buy gas for that car unless you can prove you own it
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HB 1736 (10 runs capacity) cites stuff from Gifford et al. Can someone link studies that counter that? I found one from Cato.org, but haven’t vetted the info.
Any links to studies about impact, or lack thereof, of the 1994 AWB, which I believe included restrictions on mag capacity.
Study for Congress and follow-up studies – The congressionally-mandated study of the federal “assault weapon” and
“large” magazine “ban” concluded that “the banned guns were never used in more than a modest fraction of all gun
murders” before the ban, and the ban’s 10-round limit on new magazines wasn’t a factor in multiple-victim or multiple-
wound crimes.[21] A follow-up study concluded that “AWs [assault weapons] and LCMs [large capacity magazines]
were used in only a minority of gun crimes prior to the 1994 federal ban,” “relatively few attacks involve more than 10
shots fired,” and “the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable
measurement.”[22] Another follow-up study found “gunshot injury incidents involving pistols [many of which use magazines
that hold more than 10 rounds] were less likely to produce a death than those involving revolvers [which typically hold five
or six rounds]” and “the average number of wounds for pistol victims was actually lower than that for revolver victims.”[23]
In 2018, the RAND Corporation released a study that surveyed the available research on the effects of bans on “assault
weapons” and “large” capacity magazines. The study found no conclusive evidence that such bans have an effect on mass
shootings or violent crime.[24]
https://www.nraila.org/get-the-facts/assault-weapons-large-magazines/
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https://www.nraila.org/get-the-facts/assault-weapons-large-magazines/
Thanks! More reading. Gonna give Saiki (introduced) some of my thoughts.
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List updated. We are up to insane levels this year that my breath would be wasted trying to explain it. Please attend our legislative meeting tonight to learn more.
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First hearing is up for Senate Public Safety this Thursday 115pm at the State Capitol room 229. We will be asking for testimony on the HIFICO page or do it on the capitol webpage.
We need as many of you to take the afternoon off to attend the hearing in person to testify. This is our best chance at stopping the rifle mag ban and others.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2020/hearingnotices/HEARING_PSM_02-06-20_.HTM
DO IT.....DO IT NOW!
https://hifico.org/PSM0206/
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amended SB 2519 SD1
(1) Prohibiting the possession of large-capacity magazines for all types of firearms, unless it was legally in possession of an individual prior to this Act;
(2) Requiring every person in the State who was in possession of a detachable ammunition magazine prior to this Act to register the magazine with the appropriate county police department; and
(3) Prohibiting the sale, barter, trade, gift, transfer, or acquisition, except by means of inheritance, of a detachable ammunition magazine that was legally in an individual's possession prior to this Act and requiring the inheritor to update the registration with the appropriate county police department.
What the pho?!!! :grrr:
we outnumbered the red shirts and our testimony was OVERWHELMINGLY against. Baker and Nishihara basically showed ALL OF US the middle finger :grrr:
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in summary the Legislators screwed us on ammunition licenses and magazines...if I read it right... :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
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in summary the Legislators screwed us on ammunition licenses and magazines...if I read it right... :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
Senate Public Safety watered down these two bills a lot. They hate grandfathering magazines and HPD will not like registering a quarter million magazines. Also the ammunition bill is so watered down that it's pretty much useless for what they wanted it for. You can tell they are being pressured hard to pass anything to show the public something is being done about gun violence.
Our rally and testifying made a big difference. We came very close to defeating the magazine ban, and to a lesser degree the ammo checks. Any other time we would've defeated it.
Unfortunately Rhoads will probably remove the amendments.
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Registration of magazines ain't going to happen... nope
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we outnumbered the red shirts and our testimony was OVERWHELMINGLY against. Baker and Nishihara basically showed ALL OF US the middle finger :grrr:
Re: Baker (Ms. it’s not the outer island, and prob the only part she was actually paying attention)
2008 Baker won the September 20, 2008 Democratic Primary with 2,646 votes (67.2%),[14] and won the November 4, 2008 General election with 8,506 votes (53.7%) against Republican nominee Jan Shields.
How much to run ads in Maui? :hmm:
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Thursday is the First Lateral deadline where all bills with 2 or more committee hearings needed (joint committees count as 1 hearing) will die. Though there are always ways around things.
Last weeks Senate PSM reports are out. SB2519 Mag ban passed by a very narrow margin w/grandfathering and magazine registration. SB2635 Ammo checks is watered down to the point of being useless(more so than before) where they just check your firearms training documents instead of firearms registration forms when buying ammo. They went draconian with SB2437 Legalizing electric guns by amending it to have the same seller and buyer requirements as firearms ie permitting, registration, store FFL like requirements, etc. SB3054 requiring notice to PD within 5 days of a firearm permanently leaving the state had it's penalty removed which saves many servicemembers and other law abiding citizens from getting a criminal history for forgetting to report it. SB2943 Ghost gun bill is dead so odds are the House version will die in the Senate too later on. SB3053 .50 Caliber ban is also dead so your muskets and Desert Eagles are safe for now.
The turnout and testimonies from last week Thursday's senate hearing did make a difference.
Still waiting for the House reports to come in though the HB1600 loaning firearms ban is dead, probably thanks to Rep Buenaventura. Companion SB2811 hasn't been in Senate committee so loaning is ban is probably dead. HB1615 intoxication is dead which surprised me. Also dead are HB2710 for unconstitutional search for firearms and HB2631 on having HPD check everyone's mental health record some more.
Unfortunately HIFICO's 2 sponsored bills are going to die without a committee hearing HB2479 and SB2728 reimbursing legal fees and lost wages for innocent due to self defense verdicts. I was hoping it would get a good discussion and be accepted by a lot of people but not this year. Still have 2 stand your ground bills which could come up later.
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Hunters got some good initial victories with SB2417 which strengthens hunting rights passing it's first comittee. But also a loss with HB1862 which removes bag limits. Hunter's believe removing bag limits may lead to eradication of game animals due to uncontrolled over hunting.
The prosecutors office called me about my opposition to SB2188 confiscation of firearms used during a first hunting offense, some of which are very petty offenses. They said it was not their intention to grab firearms, just animal parts and products procured during the violation such as illegal ivory trafficking. We came to a mutual understanding to amend the bill.
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Senate Public Safety watered down these two bills a lot. They hate grandfathering magazines and HPD will not like registering a quarter million magazines.
Unfortunately Rhoads will probably remove the amendments.
Registration of magazines ain't going to happen... nope
Exactly how are they going to serialize any magazines that are brought in to be registered?
My humble suggestion is 100% civil disobedience: Not one single person register one single magazine. Oh, wait, what was I thinking, this is Hawaii... not Virginia, or Texas, or Wyoming or....
If Rhoads changes it back to a total ban... same thing... don't turn any in. ANY.
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Thursday is the First Lateral deadline where all bills with 2 or more committee hearings needed (joint committees count as 1 hearing) will die. Though there are always ways around things.
Last weeks Senate PSM reports are out. SB2519 Mag ban passed by a very narrow margin w/grandfathering and magazine registration. SB2635 Ammo checks is watered down to the point of being useless(more so than before) where they just check your firearms training documents instead of firearms registration forms when buying ammo. They went draconian with SB2437 Legalizing electric guns by amending it to have the same seller and buyer requirements as firearms ie permitting, registration, store FFL like requirements, etc. SB3054 requiring notice to PD within 5 days of a firearm permanently leaving the state had it's penalty removed which saves many servicemembers and other law abiding citizens from getting a criminal history for forgetting to report it. SB2943 Ghost gun bill is dead so odds are the House version will die in the Senate too later on. SB3053 .50 Caliber ban is also dead so your muskets and Desert Eagles are safe for now.
The turnout and testimonies from last week Thursday's senate hearing did make a difference.
Still waiting for the House reports to come in though the HB1600 loaning firearms ban is dead, probably thanks to Rep Buenaventura. Companion SB2811 hasn't been in Senate committee so loaning is ban is probably dead. HB1615 intoxication is dead which surprised me. Also dead are HB2710 for unconstitutional search for firearms and HB2631 on having HPD check everyone's mental health record some more.
Unfortunately HIFICO's 2 sponsored bills are going to die without a committee hearing HB2479 and SB2728 reimbursing legal fees and lost wages for innocent due to self defense verdicts. I was hoping it would get a good discussion and be accepted by a lot of people but not this year. Still have 2 stand your ground bills which could come up later.
Good work Zips! I was quite impressed by the turnout for Senate and House. The NRA rep was quite good too. Awesome. Hope the trend of involvement continues. I have a bunch of notes that I planned on sharing, but been too damn busy. One key one was how the House committee, or at least a few members, seemed quite on the ball and asked pointed questions. Surprised me when Say and Bonaventura asked about “don’t these laws only impact law abiding citizens” (or something like that). That they were open, or seemed open to dialogue. Not like the Senate. In the end, there were changes made in the Senate bills, so good to see impact there.
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Exactly how are they going to serialize any magazines that are brought in to be registered?
My humble suggestion is 100% civil disobedience: Not one single person register one single magazine. Oh, wait, what was I thinking, this is Hawaii... not Virginia, or Texas, or Wyoming or....
If Rhoads changes it back to a total ban... same thing... don't turn any in. ANY.
I would call it civil ignorance. Stopped by my local gun store yesterday and they had a list of these bills out and they said that everyone they were talking to (except me) had no idea any of it was coming. If something like that gets passed 99% of people will have no clue, magazines will not get registered and the people will only find out when they try to buy a new magazine. Some people I know who do get educated on laws are pumping out their own 80% when previously they were by the book. So instead of reducing guns by squeezing harder on these laws, all they did was cause the locals to flood the supply with unserialized firearms. Since the police here take 2 hours to show up for 911 (if at all), Im thinking that this is the new trend. Just like making all fireworks illegal in honolulu made it much worse than where they started.
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SB2635 Ammo checks is watered down to the point of being useless(more so than before) where they just check your firearms training documents instead of firearms registration forms when buying ammo.
Still gonna hurt the Boy Scouts, etc.. What if " I ", who does not have any of the listed docs because I don't have a P2A, a HG safety because I am just importing personal handguns in with a PCS and am not a hunter, want to buy .22 ammo for the shooting camps?
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Still gonna hurt the Boy Scouts, etc.. What if " I ", who does not have any of the listed docs because I don't have a P2A, a HG safety because I am just importing personal handguns in with a PCS and am not a hunter, want to buy .22 ammo for the shooting camps?
I bought my friend a box of ammo yesterday as a gift. I only did it to prove that the law will be stupid. I may have an active CHL in another state, I have had at least 50 background checks in my life including the federal one for a C&R FFL. I've been finger printed several times. But I cant be trusted because I dont have a Hawaii approved BS requirement.
So frustrated that there are basically zero bills this year to improve medical care in the state but we get 45 gun bills instead.
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FYI when writing testimony for stuff like CCW and legalizing tasers. You can oppose the bill, but next to it put you support CCW or whatever but oppose the heavy restrictions on it.
Or else it looks like you're opposed to CCW and Electric Guns.
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First lateral deadline hit, meaning bills with 2 or more hearings remaining are dead (except for joint committees) but there is a very small chance some could come back.
No new hearings
Some house reports with amended bills are up.
HB1902 incorporated elements of HB2232 regarding taking into account of mental health of minors.
HB2292 Electric Gun legalization was amended with the same permitting and registration as the senate version while removing sellers from having to retake safety training every 3 yerars.
SB2518 Carry permits was amended to requiring instead of authorize the granting of carry licenses under EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
Some hunting reports with amendments too.
Expect to have a Senate JDC with Sen Rhoads sometime within the next 2 weeks.
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SB2518 Carry permits was amended to requiring instead of authorize the granting of carry licenses under EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES.
Now that you're dead, you now have proof that there is an EXCEPTIONAL CASE for you to have a CCW, we shall be granting it to you.
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Very little movement lately on firearms and hunting bills. Expecting Rhoads Judiciary (JDC) committee to hear the Senate bills sometime next week so prepare to take some time off work to attend. We want another good showing as this is our last reasonable chance to stop . Odds go down a lot after this. There's still a chance to see Stand your Ground and changes to the long gun permit in the Lee's Judiciary, but the window is closing.
HB1902 magazine ban has had an unusual journey as McDermott spoke and voiced his opposition to merging of the 2 bills (HB2232) and the vote was delayed for floor amendments. For 2nd reading it had 14 yes w/reservations and no votes which is pretty high, but still short of the 26 needed to stop a bill. It would be very difficult to turn all 11 reservation votes to noes, and add 12 more noes for the third reading floor vote which was delayed to 2-27-20. There are some gains to be found such as the republican votes and other moderate democrats such as Kong and Quinlan and others we can turn. But we'd still be far short. Perhaps someday when we can get thousands of people to support to win. We still have to try our best to support those that want to help us but face enormous pressure not to. Also to show that we are gaining in power and unity. There were some amendments to it, the main one changing the implementation date to 2050 to ensure it gets into conference committee at the end. I still have to review the bill and see what else changed in it.
HB2709 Firearms and estates was also floor amended with a 2050 date.
HB2744 gun violence commission and HB2736 ammo checks are headed for 3rd reading too. Perhaps I could get HB2744 shelved for not going through the Finance committee which it should have since there are appropriations for 2 full time staff.
All these bills 3rd reading floor votes will be on Thursday 2-27-20 due to the 5 day recess (no floor sessions during that time). There's still other House gun bills that need a 3rd reading vote.
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What kind of pressure are they having to pass these unconstitutional laws? It's not pressure from the overwhelming opposition we've been putting on them. Its obvious it money pressure. They are all bought and paid for. Damned be the Constitution and liberty to these SOBs!
Freaking pissed....
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I've only got 2 cents.... they taxed the rest.
I've been thinking, how many 'representatives' do we have in the house and senate? Is that really enough? What is representation per capita?
Is there anyway maybe we could double the numbers of 'representatives' in each body? I do realize it could be a double edged sword. I for one do not feel like I am being represented. Not sure recall would help if that is even an option.
Pretty sure it is a mission impossible, not even sure how you would go about it. Referendum? Thousands of people at the capitol?(yeah right)
Maybe we could get some people in there that will actually represent us and our opinion.
It seems that working through the system as is now is a dead end.
Here is another idea. We should have them issued sport jackets with the names of their 'sponsors' embroidered on them. Have fun with that one, might run out of room. Of course the more money you 'donate' to them the larger their font will be. Pretty sure their districts will be small on located somewhere near the tails of the coat.
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Going to have lots of activity this coming week. A couple hunting bills early in the week, electric guns, then Senate firearms bills on Thursday at the Capitol.
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Not sure if this helps, but it describes all the opportunities to provide testimony for the committee and readings for each active bill, including the 2 hunting related ones at the end.
Best I can explain it since people are getting confused on how many times and which bills they have to testify on. Any suggestions welcome
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I attended hearings for HB2292 Electric Guns w/restrictions and HB1748 forfeiture of firearms today. Very few testimonies for or against, mainly government departments. HB2292 is low on the priority list as we focus on the Senate bills. This bill will likely die on it's own anyways in the House or Senate. The Senate version will likely die since Rhoads didn't schedule a hearing for it yet so House version would likely share the same fate. I did get quite a few questions from the committee members as my testimony revolved around the overblown dangers of Tasers. I did get one funny one when I explained you could buy a Taser on Amazon. One of the reps tried searching for electric guns on Amazon and said there was one that shoots BB's. I'm trying not to laugh and stay respectful so I said I dunno. She was probably looking at airsoft.
HB1748 received the same concurrence from the Hon Prosecutors office as companion SB2188 to remove the 1st firearm forfeiture and focus on ivory trafficking.
Got a small ray of sunshine today where SB2417 "Recognize game animals as a food source" was saved from the trash heap and got scheduled for a WAM hearing on Wednesday. It took quite a bit of work to get that done but it paid off.
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these elected officials aren't listening to us. I'm surmising that because we have the lowest voter turnout in the nation they can shove legislation like this against our constitutional right. They think they can get away with it because voters are too busy trying to make ends meet here in Hawaii.
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these elected officials aren't listening to us. I'm surmising that because we have the lowest voter turnout in the nation they can shove legislation like this against our constitutional right. They think they can get away with it because voters are too busy trying to make ends meet here in Hawaii.
The bigger problem is a lot of voters aren't educated in Constitutional rights and why they're important. You get very complacent in today's society without the imminent fear of losing a war, starvation, tyranny, etc.
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Tracker updated, lots of bills died, others on 3rd reading on Tuesday, and the rest crossover to the other chamber.
More updates later when I get a break. updates are a little slow as I'm burned out from all of this.
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So the electric gun bill is dead. Supreme court has already said that banning them is unconstitutional and the state is ignoring that. So I guess that means the president has to enforce the supreme court decision which is not going to happen.
So there is really no avenue for fighting a law in Hawaii then. you cant use the courts, you cant get the state rulers to overturn their decisions...
So I guess that means why follow the law if it all gets ignored in the end anyway?
on a side note, I wanted to test a patient yesterday for coronavirus and the department of health wont allow it because the patient did not travel to china....I guess they havent noticed the virus in 80 other countries. we are so screwed.
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So the electric gun bill is dead. Supreme court has already said that banning them is unconstitutional and the state is ignoring that. So I guess that means the president has to enforce the supreme court decision which is not going to happen.
So there is really no avenue for fighting a law in Hawaii then. you cant use the courts, you cant get the state rulers to overturn their decisions...
So I guess that means why follow the law if it all gets ignored in the end anyway?
on a side note, I wanted to test a patient yesterday for coronavirus and the department of health wont allow it because the patient did not travel to china....I guess they havent noticed the virus in 80 other countries. we are so screwed.
Essentially then, you have to do what is Constitutionally and lawfully protected, get arrested, lose your rights, then sue and hope to get to The Supreme Court before you are broke, dead or both
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So the electric gun bill is dead. Supreme court has already said that banning them is unconstitutional and the state is ignoring that. So I guess that means the president has to enforce the supreme court decision which is not going to happen.
So there is really no avenue for fighting a law in Hawaii then. you cant use the courts, you cant get the state rulers to overturn their decisions...
So I guess that means why follow the law if it all gets ignored in the end anyway?
on a side note, I wanted to test a patient yesterday for coronavirus and the department of health wont allow it because the patient did not travel to china....I guess they havent noticed the virus in 80 other countries. we are so screwed.
Do we really want to start listing the idiotic completely illogical and evidence-devoid decisions of the moronic socialist Democrat "progressive" gubmint the vast majority of the people of Hawaii love and continue to re-elect?
Oh hell, why not? Let the good times roll!
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Tracker updated, lots of bills died, others on 3rd reading on Tuesday, and the rest crossover to the other chamber.
More updates later when I get a break. updates are a little slow as I'm burned out from all of this.
Thank you for all of the hard work that you and your colleagues have been doing on behalf of the rest of us.
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Tracker is updated. Surviving bills have crossover from Senate to House and House to Senate and will repeat the committee hearings again.
Senate hearings are on Thursdays for the bills that crossover from the House. The HIFICO testimony forms page will be up later tonight for these.
HB1902 Mag ban does not have grandfathering and includes the mental health checks as a minor.
HB2709 Estates/Probate hasn't changed much.
HB2736 Ammo checks still requires showing your registration form. However it has exceptions for possession at shooting ranges.
HB2744 Gun violence commission still has the "ghost gun" bill attached to it.
Help the Hunters out by submitting SUPPORTNG testimony for SB2417 which recognizes game animals as a sustainable food source, which will help protect hunting against future laws and regulations. Submit testimony at the Capitol page in the link.
Substantive resolution deadline has passed and there are no firearm related ones such as repealing the 2nd amendment. There are a couple of hunting related ones to Support SCR62 and SCR138/SR98 which helps to protect hunting lands and restore game animals for hunting. Please support these when they go to the committee hearings.
SCR119/SR79 tells the marines to stop shooting before 10am at Puuloa Range in Ewa Beach. Fat chance of that happening. Marines will start implementing night fire qualifications soon. I'm guessing the neighbors aren't aware of that yet.
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With the legislature being in recess for a while, I'm wondering if they will be affected by the June 30th state year. They've completed 33 out of the 60 days legislative term in the Hawaii Constitution. Can they complete a session less than 60 working days long? Can the session go past June 30th? I dunno. They could rush the gun bills through quickly if they want to, a month or less from restart of the legislature to Governor's signature.
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Legislature is opening back up on Monday. Their focus is on COVID stuff and I'm not sure if they'll bring up the gun control bills. Time is short as the June 30th deadline is coming up.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/05/07/breaking-news/hawaii-lawmakers-will-return-to-capitol-on-monday-to-help-patch-huge-state-budget-hole/
Hearings still left are:
Senate JDC still needs a hearing
House JUD/PSM committee hearing was put on hold.
Conference committee for any disagreements between the bills
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Listening to the legislatures press conference. They will only have finance committee hearings to mainly deal with COVID and state operations. They are also considering a special session in June to deal with emergencies and sunsetting laws. This likely means all the gun bills, and other bills, are dead this year and have to be re-introduced in January 2021.
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Listening to the legislatures press conference. They will only have finance committee hearings to mainly deal with COVID and state operations. They are also considering a special session in June to deal with emergencies and sunsetting laws. This likely means all the gun bills, and other bills, are dead this year and have to be re-introduced in January 2021.
Since we had no pro 2a bills, I'll take this as a win that all bills were cancelled.
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Listening to the legislatures press conference. They will only have finance committee hearings to mainly deal with COVID and state operations. They are also considering a special session in June to deal with emergencies and sunsetting laws. This likely means all the gun bills, and other bills, are dead this year and have to be re-introduced in January 2021.
Give us time to organize and fight :shaka:
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Go team Covid....? Thanks for everything Zippz!
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Listening to the legislatures press conference. They will only have finance committee hearings to mainly deal with COVID and state operations. They are also considering a special session in June to deal with emergencies and sunsetting laws. This likely means all the gun bills, and other bills, are dead this year and have to be re-introduced in January 2021.
kinda sounds too good to be true, sorry for being a skeptic.
I just don't put it past them to try something sneaky and underhanded...
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I wont trust them for anything after reading about unconstitutional solutions to track US citizens visiting the State of Hawaii. Ankle bracelets. Imprisoning them in a hotel. Arresting them for getting food. After these authoritarian measures what tourist would visit the "Aloha" State?
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Legislature went back into recess today and will be resuming on June 15th to focus on the budget, COVID, and sunsetting bills. There is a small possibility that the remaining gun bills could come up. The House Bills in the Senate still needs to go through JDC with Karl Rhoads which is possible with HB1902 Mag Ban most likely to be heard out of the bunch and still needs a grandfathering clause (grandfathering unlikely). The Senate Bills in the House are unlikely to advance due to them needing to go through two committees and time limitations.
I'll be putting a mission out for people to talk to their legislators about this and general firearm stuff over the next month. Mostly to start communications with them to prepare for next year since legislators should have a bunch of free time to talk now.
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Bills are up for hearing in Senator Rhoad's JDC committee. I thought it would be unlikely that the bills would come up since the legislature is focused on COVID, budget, and sun-setting bills but it was an unusual year where legislators went above and beyond in pushing for these gun control bills with joint committees, early hearings, press conference, and appearance by the HPD leadership club.
HB2292 Electric guns is the first time this committee will see a electric gun bill. Rhoad's refused to pass it in the past even with it's overbearing restrictions however he's under pressure to pass it with the expected upcoming win in the Roberts vs Conners lawsuit which would result people being able to buy tasers without no restrictions.
HB1902 Mag ban. This is the big bill they want to pass this year. There is no grandfathering clause in it so we have to convince 3 members of the committee (Keohokalole, Gabbard, Fevella) to include it. Rhoads kept the grandfathering clause in the Senate bill SB2519 back in February so it may be possible. Grandfathering is an insurance policy in the event SCOTUS doesn't take up a magazine ban or other substantial 2nd Amendment case or if we lose a SCOTUS case which is a tight vote now. This also includes the family court background check which may be unpopular to some Senators.
HB2744 Ghost guns. This is the first time this committee will see a Ghost Gun bill. It has been combined with the Gun Violence Prevention Center which I think may be stripped out due to lack of funding.
Written testimony will be needed, and we need people to call the committee and Senate President and try to leave a message or speak with them directly. One strategy is to complain that the committees should be focusing on the budget and COVID. There are only a handful of bills in the legislature right now with most of them on COVID, emergency measures, budgeting, and sunsetting bills. There are a few others on environmental stuff and sex/domestic abuse type bills. Everything else is dead.
Another thing that may or may not work is getting changes made to the bills which could run out the clock. Like adding grandfathering to the magazine ban or dropping the gun violence center from the bill. This would result in delays for the final vote, requiring the House to vote on it again, and conference committee. The clock could run out or legislators may not want to allocate resources into it.
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Note:. You must resubmit testimony again even if you submitted prior to June.
HIFICO testimony page is up. We need phone calls to senators and written testimony. Capitol is closed so no in person testimony allowed.
There are proposed drafts of all 3 bills on the capitol bill status pages. HB1902 Mag Ban adds in grandfathering and removes the family court checks. Not sure whats in the other two.
Looks like they are reducing restrictions so the bills can pass easier and make the deadlines.
https://hifico.org/jdc062520/
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HIFICO testimony page is up. We need phone calls to senators and written testimony. Capitol is closed so no in person testimony allowed.
There are proposed drafts of all 3 bills on the capitol bill status pages. HB1902 Mag Ban adds in grandfathering and removes the family court checks. Not sure whats in the other two.
Looks like they are reducing restrictions so the bills can pass easier and make the deadlines.
submitted testimony
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Submitted
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Hearing notice is up for SB2635 Ammunition checks and SB3054 firearms registration for out of state.
House JUD/PVM committees.
Wed June 24 at 3pm.
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Hearing notice is up for SB2635 Ammunition checks and SB3054 firearms registration for out of state.
House JUD/PVM committees.
Wed June 24 at 3pm.
Done on all
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Hearing notice is up for SB2635 Ammunition checks and SB3054 firearms registration for out of state.
House JUD/PVM committees.
Wed June 24 at 3pm.
HIFICO testimony form for these bills:
https://hifico.org/pvmjud062420/
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All the opportunities you've had to supply testimony for each currently active bill. I'll have the total rollup after the session is over.
(https://i.imgur.com/HLDJTWb.jpg)
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submitted again
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Submitted!
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Go to:
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/search/isysquery/7d4c7220-7e23-47ac-b4d4-e2d081b53a24/21-30/list/
and VOTE Oppose!!!
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Go to:
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/search/isysquery/7d4c7220-7e23-47ac-b4d4-e2d081b53a24/21-30/list/
and VOTE Oppose!!!
I got mine in!
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The Senate Judiciary vote was put on hold until Tuesday to figure out a film industry exception for the mag ban. 80% chance we'll get grandfathering for the mags so buy em while you can. There is still a small chance the bill may not pass. Our hopes are with the 9th Circuit Court's Duncan vs Becerra to overturn our magazine bans.
Both bills passed the House PVM JUD committees. We are still fighting the ammo bill and calling all firearms instructors, coaches, and trainers to stay tuned for a call to action. The ammo bill would prevent teaching basic firearms courses, stop some shooting events, and not allowing you to take friends and family to the range to shoot.
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This is the home stretch with the last floor vote and end of the session taking place on July 10th. Most of the major bills are dead with only HB1902 Magazine ban left along with a couple minor ones: HB270 estates and SB3054 out of state expected to pass. HB2744 Gun violence commission and ghost guns has a high likelihood of dying due to the House disagreeing with the Senate amendments. I don't think they have the time to negotiate in conference committee. We'll find out on Wednesday. HB2292 Electric Guns is expected to pass and will legalize them with FFL/FIrearm like regulations and you probably won't be able to carry one in public. Andrew vs Roberts lawsuit on electric guns will continue to pursue public carry which will be decided after Young vs Hawaii is settled.
Buy your rifle mags now, HB1902 will be effective immediately upon signing by the Governor which will likely take place somewhere between about 2 weeks to 2 months from now. We're going to be rallying the 2A troops to call the Governor to oppose this. There is a small chance it could be Vetoed since it is unenforceable.
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So they ran out of time for the Ammo bill?
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So they ran out of time for the Ammo bill?
Finance declined to hear the bill last week and it hit the hearings deadline.
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This is the home stretch with the last floor vote and end of the session taking place on July 10th. Most of the major bills are dead with only HB1902 Magazine ban left along with a couple minor ones: HB270 estates and SB3054 out of state expected to pass. HB2744 Gun violence commission and ghost guns has a high likelihood of dying due to the House disagreeing with the Senate amendments. I don't think they have the time to negotiate in conference committee. We'll find out on Wednesday. HB2292 Electric Guns is expected to pass and will legalize them with FFL/FIrearm like regulations and you probably won't be able to carry one in public. Andrew vs Roberts lawsuit on electric guns will continue to pursue public carry which will be decided after Young vs Hawaii is settled.
Buy your rifle mags now, HB1902 will be effective immediately upon signing by the Governor which will likely take place somewhere between about 2 weeks to 2 months from now. We're going to be rallying the 2A troops to call the Governor to oppose this. There is a small chance it could be Vetoed since it is unenforceable.
Here's hoping for the small chance the frog will veto it.
So they ran out of time for the Ammo bill?
Finance declined to hear the bill last week and it hit the hearings deadline.
I'm sure they are saving it for the next session
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HB1902 mag ban is up for it's final vote today in the House and is expected to pass. Then it goes to the Governor to sign which would go into effect immediately, making rifle mag purchases illegal if over 10 rounds. Or he could not sign it in which the law will take effect on August 25th. There's a small chance we can get him to veto it so we'll do a push for that. If it is stopped now, there is a chance we can stop it in the future if we pick up a few more 2A candidates elected in this election.
SB3054 out of state has also passed both chambers and is going to the governor for signature.
All the other gun bills appear to be dead.
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THEY FUCKED US
Ghost Gun ban is now going to be law thanks to last second finagling
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THE RIFLE MAGAZINE BAN BILL ID DEAD! Yahoo!!! :shaka: :shake: :wave: :worship:
https://tinyurl.com/yarh2mrn
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does HB2744 redefine "firearms" such that all AR upper receivers are now a firearm (requiring registration, etc)?
according to HB2744 SD2:
"Firearm receiver" means the part of a firearm that provides housing for the firearm's internal components, including a hammer, bolt, breechblock, action, or firing mechanism.
AR upper receiver houses the bolt, "or" means that any one of those characteristics counts to make it so.
if this gets signed into law, could be AR upper receivers can only be purchased through FFL? real sneaky. I know this is similar to the ATF conundrum, but is Karl Rhoads taking advantage of that to instantly criminalize every single law-abiding Hawaii AR owner who now has an unregistered "firearm"?
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2020/bills/HB2744_SD2_PROPOSED_.HTM (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2020/bills/HB2744_SD2_PROPOSED_.HTM)
entirely separate from the bogus commission (stacked deck) to study gun violence (...reimbursed for travel expenses, oh yeah, where's that money coming from?), and that a block of aluminum (0% receiver) now is classified as a firearm. WTF!