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Title: fire mission
Post by: macsak on February 23, 2020, 07:39:49 PM
I know many of you have testified multiple times on these bills, but we need to keep up the pressure

https://hifico.org/224JUD/?fbclid=IwAR2UCy8zUGNdmzKrygFiWkQNqYZI0UnSo5s1_HrS4nAkF_rfgFBIe8ZQNcI
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: WTF?Shane on February 23, 2020, 08:04:58 PM
Did it this morning on the HiFiCo site. Can not on the legislature site.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: zippz on February 23, 2020, 08:31:22 PM
This is do or die, our last stand.  We likely won't be able to stop it after Thursday.  HIFICO is making a big push for testimonies and doing everything we can behind the scenes to get a successful vote.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: zippz on February 23, 2020, 10:15:30 PM
Not sure if this helps, but it describes all the opportunities to provide testimony for the committee and readings for each active bill, including the 2 hunting related ones at the end.

Best I can explain it since people are getting confused on how many times and which bills they have to testify on.  Any suggestions welcome

(https://i.imgur.com/tlTJy1b.jpg)
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: zippz on February 23, 2020, 10:24:20 PM
FYI this fire mission is for a new testimony that's needed for the Senate JDC.  Any requests prior to last Friday (2-21-20) are old.

Also the mag ban bill says grandfathering, but Rhoads and the House committees will surely strip it out.  They don't want any of the mags in Hawaii (yeah yeah I know).

(https://i.imgur.com/orxpDO2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/J0opE8y.jpg)
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: Mdotweber on February 24, 2020, 07:55:08 AM
Gotta keep up the momentum! Made some posts on some larger forums, hopefully get the message out to kama'aina around the nation.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: 6716J on February 24, 2020, 07:58:12 AM
Done
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: oldfart on February 24, 2020, 10:05:30 AM
I just submitted my 2 cents via the HIFICO site. It was pretty easy. Thank you.

I have a question. When I submitted testimony on the state website, there is a method to submit a file.
Has anyone ever submitted a recorded video testimony in lieu of appearing in person?
Furthermore, would the video be played at a hearing as if it were a live person?
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: tillamook on February 24, 2020, 11:17:02 AM
Does anyone else want to just write "focus on the real problems in Hawaii you lazy useless gobermouch fopdoodles!" for their testimonies?  I swear if I get the kung-flu I'm going to visit every one of the legislators in person. 
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: robtmc on February 24, 2020, 12:16:50 PM
Done.

So difficult to remain civil in tone with these bastards when it is very clear what they are up to.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: stangzilla on February 24, 2020, 05:20:18 PM
done
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: Glasser on February 24, 2020, 06:06:55 PM
Did.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: zippz on February 24, 2020, 07:55:50 PM
I have a question. When I submitted testimony on the state website, there is a method to submit a file.
Has anyone ever submitted a recorded video testimony in lieu of appearing in person?
Furthermore, would the video be played at a hearing as if it were a live person?

I've never seen it done, not sure if it can be.  The state website page only lists certain types of documents like doc and pdf, might be possible to upload a video, but won't know until you hit the submit button.  You could attach a video to a PDF file or a link.  Whatever the case there is a 20mb limit which is a very small video file.

Some legislators view the testimony on their computers, and all the testimony is combined into one big PDF file.  Others have paper printouts.  If it is possible, they won't play it for the whole committee to watch.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: kia_killer on February 25, 2020, 10:23:23 AM
done
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: tillamook on February 25, 2020, 11:22:32 AM
I've never seen it done, not sure if it can be.  The state website page only lists certain types of documents like doc and pdf, might be possible to upload a video, but won't know until you hit the submit button.  You could attach a video to a PDF file or a link.  Whatever the case there is a 20mb limit which is a very small video file.

Some legislators view the testimony on their computers, and all the testimony is combined into one big PDF file.  Others have paper printouts.  If it is possible, they won't play it for the whole committee to watch.

Would it be possible to submit the code file text for the computer instructions to 3D print a firearm?  Since the testimony seems to be saved it would be cool to have the state save the code for 3D printing a firearm on state servers which could be later retrieved through a freedom of information act.   Cant stop the signal. 
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: Kumachan on February 25, 2020, 01:27:45 PM
Done
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: punaperson on February 25, 2020, 01:31:39 PM
Oops... never mind... i don't even know what day it is...
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 25, 2020, 01:58:33 PM
Oops... never mind... i don't even know what day it is...

Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care? 

 >:D
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: hvybarrels on February 25, 2020, 03:21:15 PM
Would it be possible to submit the code file text for the computer instructions to 3D print a firearm?  Since the testimony seems to be saved it would be cool to have the state save the code for 3D printing a firearm on state servers which could be later retrieved through a freedom of information act.   Cant stop the signal.

If only Wikileaks had thought of that Assange might not be getting tortured to death at the moment.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: Rocky on February 25, 2020, 05:18:38 PM
Does anybody really know what time it is?

Does anybody really care? 

 >:D
About time ? 8)
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: ren on February 25, 2020, 07:20:35 PM
NRA/ILA update said that the mag ban bill headed to the floor has NO GRANDFATHER CLAUSE.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: Teichi on February 25, 2020, 07:35:46 PM
SHOT, OVER
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: zippz on February 25, 2020, 07:36:20 PM
NRA/ILA update said that the mag ban bill headed to the floor has NO GRANDFATHER CLAUSE.

Yup, only the Senate version has it.  Doesn't make a difference since it'll be stripped out.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: zippz on February 25, 2020, 10:06:40 PM
This testimony request for SENATE JDC committee started on Friday February 21st. Anything submitted prior to that doesn't count. YOU MUST SUBMIT TESTIMONY FOR THIS IF YOU HAVEN"T SUBMITTED SINCE FEBRUARY 21ST.

The NRAILA requests are for the House floor vote are totally different and don't apply to this. Here's a chart to explain the testimonies needed for each bill.

(https://i.imgur.com/Wg4JvJ1.png)
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: rklapp on February 26, 2020, 12:07:31 AM
Done. The form really makes it easy. However, still have to modify the supporting information and translate from the Queen's English sometimes.

See you on Thursday.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: stangzilla on February 26, 2020, 07:33:50 AM
done
done again
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: hvybarrels on February 26, 2020, 11:08:11 AM
To my rep:

I am one of your constituents and I ask you to please oppose House Bill 1902.
 
Banning standard capacity mags is bad enough, but the possible ramifications of making Child Mental Health Records available to the police is absolutely horrifying.

What if a politician had developed bulimia in high school after being raped by her stepdad? Is that the kind of thing she wants the police to know when it comes time for drafting or voting on legislation that effects them?

Can you guarantee that SHOPO will not get a hold of these records and use them for political blackmail?

I remind you that if it was not for a mailbox then the feds would never have stepped in and the Kealohas would still be running their crime syndicate. That cancer may have gotten cut out, but the culture that allowed it still continues.

Being a member of the political class does not protect you from abuses of power, and in fact makes you more vulnerable in a lot of ways.

For this I ask you to strongly oppose this bill and make sure your fellows on the committee do not blindly stumble into this Orwellian nightmare as well.


Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: hvybarrels on February 26, 2020, 12:38:33 PM
The person from the Pubic Defenders office brought up this issue at the last hearing, but used more PC "keep my job" language and the implication she was hinting at seemed to go right over everyone's heads.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: tillamook on February 27, 2020, 08:05:01 AM
good job HPR this morning.  Hawaii is the only state in the nation without a assault weapon ban.  Sweet!  I had no idea.    I think I will pick up a SAW after work today.   Also background checks and presenting registration papers are not a violation of the second amendment.    Now it is exactly like when I present my religious registration papers if I want to go to church or defend myself in court.    Oh and banning mags will make us all instantly safer.   I've been so worried. 

I'm so glad the media is unbiased and balanced.   I wonder how the mag ban is going to save the Pangolins and stop the chinese ivory trade!

*furiously writing my donation check to HPR*
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: punaperson on February 27, 2020, 08:34:00 AM
good job HPR this morning.  Hawaii is the only state in the nation without a assault weapon ban.  Sweet!  I had no idea.    I think I will pick up a SAW after work today.   Also background checks and presenting registration papers are not a violation of the second amendment.    Now it is exactly like when I present my religious registration papers if I want to go to church or defend myself in court.    Oh and banning mags will make us all instantly safer.   I've been so worried. 

I'm so glad the media is unbiased and balanced.   I wonder how the mag ban is going to save the Pangolins and stop the chinese ivory trade!

*furiously writing my donation check to HPR*
Hey, HPR and NPR just report the facts, without bias...just ask them.  :crazy:  :rofl:
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: tillamook on February 27, 2020, 09:38:39 AM
Hey, HPR and NPR just report the facts, without bias...just ask them.  :crazy:  :rofl:

I emailed the producer and asked if I could go on the air and say "pangolin are plentiful and taste great!"
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: WTF?Shane on February 27, 2020, 11:17:12 AM
Fuck. I only looked at my previous testimony and didn't notice that I could submit testimony on the updated bill. I failed you guys. I must commit sudoku.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: oldfart on February 27, 2020, 11:29:21 AM
Fuck. I only looked at my previous testimony and didn't notice that I could submit testimony on the updated bill. I failed you guys. I must commit sudoku.
.....
 :rofl: :shake: :rofl:

Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: drck1000 on February 27, 2020, 11:45:56 AM
Fuck. I only looked at my previous testimony and didn't notice that I could submit testimony on the updated bill. I failed you guys. I must commit sudoku.
You suffered a mis-fire. . .  :(
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: punaperson on February 27, 2020, 12:17:26 PM
Gabbard voted FOR the mag ban. WTF?!

Someone who was there please tell us what the "amendments" were... thank you.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: macsak on February 27, 2020, 02:58:24 PM
Gabbard voted FOR the mag ban. WTF?!

Someone who was there please tell us what the "amendments" were... thank you.

amendments were
goes into effect immediately upon signing
removed registration requirement
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: 6716J on February 27, 2020, 04:27:02 PM
Better buy'em now!

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Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: tillamook on February 27, 2020, 04:34:53 PM
with HPD's support for this bill I wont be doing any more medical clearances for police officers.   Remember to thank your chief. 
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: punaperson on February 27, 2020, 05:03:25 PM
Better buy'em now!
You mean because there are some people that will derive great pleasure in destroying them, turning them in, or sending them out state?

That's sick dude.  :rofl:
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: punaperson on February 27, 2020, 05:05:05 PM
amendments were
goes into effect immediately upon signing
removed registration requirement
Thank you.

If only Ige were 1/10 the pussy about this that he is about enforcing the law on Mauna Kea...
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: nathanm14fan on February 27, 2020, 05:07:49 PM
amendments were
goes into effect immediately upon signing
removed registration requirement

Have they updated the legislation website? According to that it shows SD1 passed with amendments, which included the registration and delayed start.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: punaperson on February 27, 2020, 05:17:18 PM
Have they updated the legislation website? According to that it shows SD1 passed with amendments, which included the registration and delayed start.
My experience is that it takes about a week for the amended version (in this case SD2) to appear on the state website.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: punaperson on February 27, 2020, 05:21:08 PM
I'd love to see 5,000 people standing on the Capitol grounds when Ige signs the bill and it "goes into effect"... and at that exact moment each of those 5,000 people pulls an illegal mag out of their pocket and holds it above their head shouting "come and take it!".

Of course that will never happen (well, Ige signing the bill will happen...), but still... I'd love to see it.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: ren on February 27, 2020, 05:25:04 PM
does this mean there will be an injunction?
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: zippz on February 27, 2020, 06:00:37 PM
My experience is that it takes about a week for the amended version (in this case SD2) to appear on the state website.

It will be up tomorrow.   There are deadlines they have to meet for their vote on Tuesday.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: rklapp on February 27, 2020, 06:24:56 PM
Hero of the day. (Sen Favella)

I went to Sen Gabbard's office as a constituent to tell him how disappointed I was in his votes but wouldn't see me so left a message saying so.

(https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/87831835_10220929714262919_5539964434052546560_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=zDLiS1M6I9QAX-WZe_c&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.xx&oh=12109acfa41bd72af88b1704f4184242&oe=5F015B09)

For some reason, I get an error when I try to attach the photo from my iPhone and PC.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: punaperson on February 27, 2020, 06:47:04 PM
Hero of the day. (Sen Favella)

I went to Sen Gabbard's office as a constituent to tell him how disappointed I was in his votes but wouldn't see me so left a message saying so.

For some reason, I get an error when I try to attach the photo from my iPhone and PC.
Did Gabbard say anything during the hearing re his reasoning for supporting the bill?
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: 6716J on February 27, 2020, 07:27:18 PM
I'd love to see 5,000 people standing on the Capitol grounds when Ige signs the bill and it "goes into effect"... and at that exact moment each of those 5,000 people pulls an illegal mag out of their pocket and holds it above their head shouting "come and take it!".

Of course that will never happen (well, Ige signing the bill will happen...), but still... I'd love to see it.
Me and you both... me and you both

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Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: ren on February 27, 2020, 07:31:04 PM
I'd love to see 5,000 people standing on the Capitol grounds when Ige signs the bill and it "goes into effect"... and at that exact moment each of those 5,000 people pulls an illegal mag out of their pocket and holds it above their head shouting "come and take it!".

Of course that will never happen (well, Ige signing the bill will happen...), but still... I'd love to see it.

Kokohead shooting complex is a heavily used park/range
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: Glasser on February 27, 2020, 07:32:34 PM
Is there a webpage that shows how each representative voted? I  would like to make sure to inform the correct people  that not only will they not get my vote, but I will be standing next to their sign wavers come election time letting folks know they ignored their constituents.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: 6716J on February 27, 2020, 07:34:11 PM
This sucks
Looked at committee minutes.
Testimony in favor - 36
Testimony opposed - 352
At least they listen to us right? :/

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Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: ren on February 27, 2020, 07:39:40 PM
This sucks
Looked at committee minutes.
Testimony in favor - 36
Testimony opposed - 352
At least they listen to us right? :/

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almost 10 to 1 opposed.
These politicians are laughing at us - along with Moms Demand Our Guns
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: Jl808 on February 27, 2020, 09:31:04 PM
Damn politicians bought and paid for by Bloomberg.

They are there to serve their masters not their constituents.

So do they really think it’s a good idea to turn law abiding gun owners into felons at the sign of a pen?

With that public stunt on TV yesterday, does the chief of police really believe gun owners are a threat to public safety?
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: 6716J on February 28, 2020, 09:46:55 AM
Damn politicians bought and paid for by Bloomberg.

They are there to serve their masters not their constituents.

So do they really think it’s a good idea to turn law abiding gun owners into felons at the sign of a pen?

With that public stunt on TV yesterday, does the chief of police really believe gun owners are a threat to public safety?

...yes... and 99.99% of every legislator in the state does also.
They want every single one of us disarmed and no ability to defend oneself. How else do tyrants rule?

An armed society is a polite society
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: punaperson on February 28, 2020, 10:55:37 AM
...yes... and 99.99% of every legislator in the state does also.
They want every single one of us disarmed and no ability to defend oneself. How else do tyrants rule?

An armed society is a polite society
Quit exaggerating!

There are 25 senators and 51 representatives, for a total of 76 legislators.

Fevella almost always votes for us.

That means only 98.7% of them are traitorous civil rights violators.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: Kumachan on February 28, 2020, 04:36:31 PM
   Can't use USC 18 Sec 241     and USC sec 242 ?
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: punaperson on February 28, 2020, 05:08:02 PM
It will be up tomorrow.   There are deadlines they have to meet for their vote on Tuesday.
It's 5:05 PM on Friday... it's not up on the state leg website. Where is it?

SB2519 SD2.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: zippz on February 28, 2020, 09:57:24 PM
It's 5:05 PM on Friday... it's not up on the state leg website. Where is it?

SB2519 SD2.

2 of the 3 bills are out.  Senate usually updates around 7pm.

Update : all three are up now at 11pm.  Must be burning the midnight oil at the Capitol.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: zippz on February 29, 2020, 01:13:23 AM
I'd love to see 5,000 people standing on the Capitol grounds when Ige signs the bill and it "goes into effect"... and at that exact moment each of those 5,000 people pulls an illegal mag out of their pocket and holds it above their head shouting "come and take it!".

Of course that will never happen (well, Ige signing the bill will happen...), but still... I'd love to see it.

My goal is a 2,000 person rally in 2023.  Making progress.
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: zippz on February 29, 2020, 01:14:49 AM
does this mean there will be an injunction?

Depends when the law starts and how the 9th Circuit case goes.

We'll probably need one later.  $15,000
Title: Re: fire mission
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 29, 2020, 09:50:40 AM
Depends when the law starts and how the 9th Circuit case goes.

We'll probably need one later.  $15,000
Everyone donate. Skip buying a case of ammo or that cook accessory. Give the money for the lawsuit.

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