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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: zippz on February 29, 2020, 11:12:25 PM
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Email and Call by 3-3-2020 1130am
Please contact your district Senator's via email or phone for Tuesday's 11:30am floor vote (3rd reading) to oppose the bills below. It's very unlikely that we could win, but we need to develop our connection with them and find out who our reliable no votes are.
SB 2519 - Over 10 round magazine ban with grandfathering, no registration effective upon signing.
SB 2635 - Ammo purchase verification, must show firearm registration forms, bans possession by others,allows for registration of multi-calibers and designate 2nd person.
SB 3054 - Notify PD if firearms are moved out of state, includes $250 penalty per gun.
Find your legislator:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TCtoG4nR0UAe3XmKmw-6e5XVxBkYU1ta&usp=sharing
Attend
If you're free this Tuesday, please attend the floor vote in the Senate Chambers (ground level) at 11:30am. Very unlikely we'll win the vote, however I'd like a small group to support the "No" votes and have a reliable presence there. Also meet your Senator before or after the vote. Please do not take the day off work or cancel important appointments for this. Please reply if you're able to make it.
Mahalo
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Thanks for staying on top of this? Will call tomorrow
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done
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Email and Call by 3-3-2020 1130am
Please contact your district Senator's via email or phone for Tuesday's 11:30am floor vote (3rd reading) to oppose the bills below. It's very unlikely that we could win, but we need to develop our connection with them and find out who our reliable no votes are.
SB 2519 - Over 10 round magazine ban with grandfathering, no registration effective upon signing.
SB 2635 - Ammo purchase verification, must show firearm registration forms, bans possession by others,allows for registration of multi-calibers and designate 2nd person.
SB 3054 - Notify PD if firearms are moved out of state, includes $250 penalty per gun.
Find your legislator:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TCtoG4nR0UAe3XmKmw-6e5XVxBkYU1ta&usp=sharing
Attend
If you're free this Tuesday, please attend the floor vote in the Senate Chambers (ground level) at 11:30am. Very unlikely we'll win the vote, however I'd like a small group to support the "No" votes and have a reliable presence there. Also meet your Senator before or after the vote. Please do not take the day off work or cancel important appointments for this. Please reply if you're able to make it.
Mahalo
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Called this AM.
It is a waste of time, but I called.
Local man answered the phone as he recognized
my phone number area without looking it up.
Small island population.
We know where our Congress, Legislature, council critters,
and Cops live and shop.
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Called submitted my statement on why to vote against.
It’s an uphill battle here folks. While I am not one to give up, if you would like to continue exercising your rights in general I recommend searching for another state to call home. I will miss the warm water and year round surf, as well as the food and culture terribly, but the fifth and now sixth generations of my family will likely move and live elsewhere, some place where our constitutional rights are more respected.
https://www.freedominthe50states.org/
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Called submitted my statement on why to vote against.
It’s an uphill battle here folks. While I am not one to give up, if you would like to continue exercising your rights in general I recommend searching for another state to call home. I will miss the warm water and year round surf, as well as the food and culture terribly, but the fifth and now sixth generations of my family will likely move and live elsewhere, some place where our constitutional rights are more respected.
https://www.freedominthe50states.org/
Besides the 2a infringements, the cost of living is also a huge factor. I have friends who moved away and got paid less. But because they spend less, it's not an issue. They are way happier now. If it weren't for my job, we would move. The wife is OK with it.
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Sent mine to Kidani
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Besides the 2a infringements, the cost of living is also a huge factor. I have friends who moved away and got paid less. But because they spend less, it's not an issue. They are way happier now. If it weren't for my job, we would move. The wife is OK with it.
Funny I’m in the same boat. Cost of living is a huge factor. Perhaps I should start a new thread in a different forum to get the ideas going.
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Called and emailed.
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In regards to SB2635 the ammo bill
Your Committee received testimony in support of this measure from the Mayor of Hawai‘i County, Honolulu Police Department, and one individual. Your Committee received testimony in opposition to this measure from the Kaua‘i Police Department; Pu‘uloa Rifle and Pistol Club; Hawaii Cattlemen's Council, Inc.; Hawaii Rifle Association; Hawaii Firearms Coalition; and thirty-six individuals. Your Committee received comments on this measure from Bushido Arms and Ammunition, LLC.
I guess the former Vegas Captain has one in the W column as a 2A supporter
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In regards to SB2635 the ammo bill
I guess the former Vegas Captain has one in the W column as a 2A supporter
Mrs Barrels always wanted to move to Kauai. Unfortunately no trust fund money so we are still working out the details.
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In regards to SB2635 the ammo bill
I guess the former Vegas Captain has one in the W column as a 2A supporter
It was written by the former acting police chief with nothing written in the comments. It could be his personal testimony. I dunno.
I was trying to get KPD to write opposition to the bills but had to rethink it after HPDs publicity stunt. Perhaps it's better for the PD to stay out of it either way.
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I sent Gabbard an email, but I'm sure it went straight to the junk folder.
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Emailed, will call in the morning.
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Emailed and calling tomorrow.
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Called Sen. Harimoto's office and the secretary was polite and mentioned she will pass the message to the Senator. :shaka:
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Emailed and got a response from Sen Kidani.
She said she will vote in favor of the bill because of HPD and those that favor the bill. She also said the grandfathering clause is there. She did not respond to the other bills specifically but said because "HPD supports it"
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Emailed senator Kidani and got a response from her saying she will vote yes. She sites the amount of supposed “email support” and HPD as her reason for voting yes.
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Emailed senator Kidani and got a response from her saying she will vote yes. She sites the amount of supposed “email support” and HPD as her reason for voting yes.
she's also up for re election in Mililani Town Association
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she's also up for re election in Mililani Town Association
Problem is so many people in Hawaii don’t know enough about how our government works (including me). These politicians run unopposed with no accountability because the people here are so clueless. Very frustrating.
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Sent emails alerting to contact Senators to oppose bills. Mine is Senator Ruderman. No response. My guess is that he will to vote to pass the bills.
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Problem is so many people in Hawaii don’t know enough about how our government works (including me). These politicians run unopposed with no accountability because the people here are so clueless. Very frustrating.
Yup. It seems like the dems really do anything they'd like, unopposed.
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The good news is that nothing in this world stays the same forever.
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I got nothing from Kidani but I will make sure that when the MTA has their election i will go stand and tell everyone she does not want them safe because she favors criminals over constituents
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If the bills have a grandfather clause and no registration how will they determine when a magazine was bought and therefore “illegal”? The law is already dumb and unconstitutional, but does it even do anything?
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If the bills have a grandfather clause and no registration how will they determine when a magazine was bought and therefore “illegal”? The law is already dumb and unconstitutional, but does it even do anything?
California is currently in that predicament before the Duncan lawsuit and during the appeals. What would a grandfathering law do? The stores would stop selling them. New rifles would come with 10 end mags. Any transfers could be subject to prosecution. Wouldn't be able to buy them online.
I'm trying to figure out what happens when someone moves to Hawaii with magazines, like military.
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California is currently in that predicament before the Duncan lawsuit and during the appeals. What would a grandfathering law do? The stores would stop selling them. New rifles would come with 10 end mags. Any transfers could be subject to prosecution. Wouldn't be able to buy them online.
I'm trying to figure out what happens when someone moves to Hawaii with magazines, like military.
What would stop someone from buying mags out of state, taking them apart and bringing a “parts kit” back and then reassembling them here and claim they are grandfathered?
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3/3/2020 S Report Adopted; Passed Third Reading, as amended (SD 2). Ayes, 23; Aye(s) with reservations: none. Noes, 2 (Senator(s) Fevella, Riviere). Excused, 0 (none). Transmitted to House.
Wow. We got twice as many votes as I was guessing! A full 8% (eight percent) of the Hawaii senators actually are NOT traitors to their oath of office to follow the constitutions! Amazing!
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What would stop someone from buying mags out of state, taking them apart and bringing a “parts kit” back and then reassembling them here and claim they are grandfathered?
HPD is not inspecting shipping containers or mail or bags at the airport otherwise there would not be a war zone of illegal fireworks in Honolulu every New years. If they cant block shipping containers full of fireworks how are they going to find a couple of mags in a box? Its an unenforceable law just like you can 3d print magazines and receivers and DIAS without any way to restrict it either. Print a mag and order a replacement spring (or make your own).
All it is is just more time to stack on a prison sentence if something else happens and you need to defend yourself.
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What would stop someone from buying mags out of state, taking them apart and bringing a “parts kit” back and then reassembling them here and claim they are grandfathered?
Nothing, because they are not magazines, but parts kits. The only way of really knowing is if there is new mag or new gen of a mag. Like in CA, the gen 3 pmag came out with the window. That was obviouslly not around pre mag ban.
But what helped CA was the 1 week of freedom. Now people can say they purchased the gen3 PMag during that week, and it's grandfathered in.
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I know someone who had a friend on the mainland mail him standard capacity (more than 10 rd) magazines for his handgun. It is impossible to prevent +10 mags from getting to Hawaii, much less so on the mainland.
Stupid law enacted by stupid people.
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SB 2635 - Grovelor needs to be our sacrificial lamb as he only has his firearms shipped in when he wants to shoot. That way when he can't buy ammo he can sue the state for infringement.
I'm going to list everyone of these on the form
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AR_platform_calibers
.17 Mach 2
.17 HMR
.17 Winchester Super Magnum
.22 Long Rifle 2
.22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire
.17 Mach IV
.17 Remington Fireball
.17 Remington
.17-223 3
.20 Practical
.204 Ruger
.222 Remington
.223 Remington
.22 PPC
.22 Nosler
.224 Valkyrie
.224 Kritzeck
.223 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.243 LBC
.243 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.25 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.25-45 Sharps
.277 Wolverine (6.8×39mm)
.30 Carbine
.30 Remington AR
30 American
300 OSSM
300 AAC Blackout
.300 Whisper
.350 Legend
300 HAM'R - Wilson Combat
358 Yeti - Wildcat
375 SOCOM
.40 S&W
.45 ACP
.450 Bushmaster
.458 SOCOM
.50 Action Express
.50 Beowulf
5.45×39mm
5.56×45mm
FN 5.7×28mm
6×45mm
6.5mm Grendel
6.8×39mm
6.8mm Remington SPC
7.62×37mm Musang
7.62×39mm
7.62×40mm Wilson Tactical
7.92x33mm Kurz
9×19mm Parabellum
10mm Auto 1
9x39mm
.338 Lapua Magnum
.408 CheyTac
.50 BMG
.220 Swift
.22-250 Remington
6mm-250
.243 Winchester
6mm Remington
6mm Creedmoor
.257 Roberts
6.5×47mm Lapua
6.5mm Creedmoor
6.5 WSM
.260 Remington
.270 Winchester Short Magnum
7mm-08 Remington
7.62×51mm NATO
7MM Winchester Short Magnum
7MM Remington Short action Ultra Magnum
.308 Winchester
.300 Winchester Short Magnum
.300 Remington Short action Ultra Magnum
.325 Winchester Short Magnum
.338 Federal
.338 Winchester Short Magnum
.358 Winchester
.358 Winchester Short Magnum
.375 Raptor
.375 Winchester Short Magnum
.416 Winchester Short Magnum
.450 Marlin
.45 RAPTOR
.458 Winchester Short Magnum
.458 SOCOM
475 Bishop Short Magnum
.500 Auto Max
.50 Krater
.510 Winchester Short Magnum
.300 Winchester Magnum
.30-06 Springfield
6.5×55mm
7.5×55mm Swiss
7mm Remington Magnum
.270 Winchester
.25-06 Remington
.338 Lapua Magnum
.458 Winchester Magnum
12 Gauge
20 Gauge
.410 bore
In the end it's all shit
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What would stop someone from buying mags out of state, taking them apart and bringing a “parts kit” back and then reassembling them here and claim they are grandfathered?
How long you been with HPD?
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How long you been with HPD?
I actually just got denied, way to bring it up! :rofl:
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SB 2635 - Grovelor needs to be our sacrificial lamb as he only has his firearms shipped in when he wants to shoot. That way when he can't buy ammo he can sue the state for infringement.
I'm going to list everyone of these on the form
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AR_platform_calibers
.17 Mach 2
.17 HMR
.17 Winchester Super Magnum
.22 Long Rifle 2
.22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire
.17 Mach IV
.17 Remington Fireball
.17 Remington
.17-223 3
.20 Practical
.204 Ruger
.222 Remington
.223 Remington
.22 PPC
.22 Nosler
.224 Valkyrie
.224 Kritzeck
.223 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.243 LBC
.243 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.25 Winchester Super Short Magnum
.25-45 Sharps
.277 Wolverine (6.8×39mm)
.30 Carbine
.30 Remington AR
30 American
300 OSSM
300 AAC Blackout
.300 Whisper
.350 Legend
300 HAM'R - Wilson Combat
358 Yeti - Wildcat
375 SOCOM
.40 S&W
.45 ACP
.450 Bushmaster
.458 SOCOM
.50 Action Express
.50 Beowulf
5.45×39mm
5.56×45mm
FN 5.7×28mm
6×45mm
6.5mm Grendel
6.8×39mm
6.8mm Remington SPC
7.62×37mm Musang
7.62×39mm
7.62×40mm Wilson Tactical
7.92x33mm Kurz
9×19mm Parabellum
10mm Auto 1
9x39mm
.338 Lapua Magnum
.408 CheyTac
.50 BMG
.220 Swift
.22-250 Remington
6mm-250
.243 Winchester
6mm Remington
6mm Creedmoor
.257 Roberts
6.5×47mm Lapua
6.5mm Creedmoor
6.5 WSM
.260 Remington
.270 Winchester Short Magnum
7mm-08 Remington
7.62×51mm NATO
7MM Winchester Short Magnum
7MM Remington Short action Ultra Magnum
.308 Winchester
.300 Winchester Short Magnum
.300 Remington Short action Ultra Magnum
.325 Winchester Short Magnum
.338 Federal
.338 Winchester Short Magnum
.358 Winchester
.358 Winchester Short Magnum
.375 Raptor
.375 Winchester Short Magnum
.416 Winchester Short Magnum
.450 Marlin
.45 RAPTOR
.458 Winchester Short Magnum
.458 SOCOM
475 Bishop Short Magnum
.500 Auto Max
.50 Krater
.510 Winchester Short Magnum
.300 Winchester Magnum
.30-06 Springfield
6.5×55mm
7.5×55mm Swiss
7mm Remington Magnum
.270 Winchester
.25-06 Remington
.338 Lapua Magnum
.458 Winchester Magnum
12 Gauge
20 Gauge
.410 bore
In the end it's all shit
I did not think too many people read my comments.
You missed 7.62X63 mm.
WWII 30.06.
Suggestions for lawyers on speed dial?
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Testifying as a law-abiding citizen and constituent is like being on "Chopped" or "Americas Got Talent" sad...
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Well...time to stock up now if you haven't already. They stripped out the language delaying implementation so once Ige signs it the door is shut.
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Well...time to stock up now if you haven't already. They stripped out the language delaying implementation so once Ige signs it the door is shut.
There is only a "door" that can be "shut" in their delusional ignoramus unreality.
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Called Keohokalole first thing this morning, got some woman. Asked if my emails had been received. 'Yes' Why did I not receive any acknowledgement of the emails I had sent regarding these bills? "Because the bills are too controversial' ??? Asked how Keohokalole voted on these issues 'I'll have to look that up, he voted aye but that doesnt mean it will pass, they have a long way to go." Why would I not think these bills will pass if my Representative is voting in favor and wont discuss his reasoning with his constituents when they inquire? 'He held a meeting to discuss these issues at Windward Mall food court a few weeks ago' Why did he not notify and invite those who sent emails opposing these bills' *crickets*. 'I will pass your message on to the Senator' Oh? What is my message my message to the Senator? *click .... dial tone*
They are all clowns.
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2 no votes (Fevella and Riveire) out of 25 on each of the 3 bills. I knew it would be low, but not that low. Rivieres (North shore) voted against some gun control bills in the past so it's good he's solid this year.
At this point our fight is with keeping grandfathering in the mag ban and support the Duncan v Becerra lawsuit and injunction.
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Called Keohokalole first thing this morning, got some woman. Asked if my emails had been received. 'Yes' Why did I not receive any acknowledgement of the emails I had sent regarding these bills? "Because the bills are too controversial' ??? Asked how Keohokalole voted on these issues 'I'll have to look that up, he voted aye but that doesnt mean it will pass, they have a long way to go." Why would I not think these bills will pass if my Representative is voting in favor and wont discuss his reasoning with his constituents when they inquire? 'He held a meeting to discuss these issues at Windward Mall food court a few weeks ago' Why did he not notify and invite those who sent emails opposing these bills' *crickets*. 'I will pass your message on to the Senator' Oh? What is my message my message to the Senator? *click .... dial tone*
They are all clowns.
meeting was not "a few weeks ago"
it was a few days ago
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There is only a "door" that can be "shut" in their delusional ignoramus unreality.
Yup - but we don't need to feed the trolls on this board any ideas.
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Everybody better chip in for lawsuit. Esp u guys that spend $1800 on an AR that no shoot straight.
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Everybody better chip in for lawsuit. Esp u guys that spend $1800 on an AR that no shoot straight.
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Count me in
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Response to my email enquiring why my Senator supports making me a criminal....
"Aloha e -----------,
Mahalo for your email. I appreciate your input and did vote in support of both SB 2519 and SB 2635 on Third Reading in the Senate on March 3.
Although I support the Second Amendment, both of these bills do seem reasonable given the recent murders in Diamond Head and the threat of mass shootings in our community.
Given that there’s already a ban on ammunition magazines for pistols of more than 10 rounds, it makes sense to also apply this provision to rifles in the interest of public safety via SB 2519.
As for SB 2635, requiring proof of a valid gun registration for the purchase of ammunition also is advisable.
Neither of these bills will prevent law-abiding gun owners from continuing to protect themselves and their families, to hunt, and to practice shooting.
I apologize that I have a different opinion, given that you’re my constituent.
Best wishes to you and your ‘ohana.
Me ka ha`aha`a,
Senator Mike Gabbard
Chair, Agriculture and Environment Committee"
MY REPLY...
"Are you kidding? Recent murders in Diamond Head? By a INSANE CRIMINAL using ILLEGALLY acquired rifle.
Sources say DIDN'T EVEN USE A MAGAZINE, and you INFRINGE on lawful gun owners LEGAL STANDARD CAPACITY magazines.?
Get a grip bu.
You are done as a politician.
Don't make excuses for TYRANNY.
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GUN OWNER
FORUM MODERATOR
SPORT SHOOTER
AMERICAN CITIZEN NOT SUBJECT"
If you live in Mike Gabbards district, DO NOT EVER VOTE FOR HIM AGAIN.
He is a backstabbing false supporter of the 2nd Amendment, your Rights, you and your family's safety, and a SUPPORTER OF TYRANNY.
I was in Favella's district and voted for him. Glad I did. I now live in Gabbard's district, Hope to get Gabbard fired next....
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meeting was not "a few weeks ago"
it was a few days ago
Well thats even more fucked that he did not notify anyone who had contacted his office in opposition to invite them to attend. Did you attend? If so what did he say? My brother met with him on a completely sepperate issue and said the dude was an empty suit.
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I didn't get a response from Senator Gabbard or whoever is in charge of his email account. Not even worth their time.
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I didn't get a response from Senator Gabbard or whoever is in charge of his email account. Not even worth their time.
Another member did and the response was "since we already banned pistol mags, why not rifle".
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Another member did and the [Gabbard's] response was "since we already banned pistol mags, why not rifle".
[Quotes from Gabbard response:]
Although [emphasis added to indicate total bullshit] I support the Second Amendment, both of these bills do seem reasonable given the recent murders in Diamond Head and the threat of mass shootings in our community.
Given that there’s already a ban on ammunition magazines for pistols of more than 10 rounds [emphasis added to indicate bullshit illogic], it makes sense to also apply this provision to rifles in the interest of public safety via SB 2519.
Given the above statements, I have to wonder why in the past Gabbard consented to introduce my suggested bill to repeal the 10 round pistol mag limit and raise it to 17. I'm sure he knew it would never even get a committee hearing (which it never has)... maybe just window dressing to give some credence to his claim that "although I support the Second Amendment..."?
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They need to read the facts of studies as opposed to info provided by those who wrote the proposed revisions.
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They need to read the facts of studies as opposed to info provided by those who wrote the proposed revisions.
What!? You mean make an informed rational decision? Fuck, these guys and gals only listen to their wallets getting fat
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What!? You mean make an informed rational decision? Fuck, these guys and gals only listen to their wallets getting fat
I know, right? :crazy:
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They don't listen to facts, because if they did, we wouldn't be where we are today with all the infringements. They like to cherry pick and use info that's left out.
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Circular logic seems to be very popular among our lawgivers. It is also a major vulnerability. The electorate is sick of them but does not feel like it has a viable alternative, which gives the Capitol Critters a false sense of security. We are behind the rest of the states as usual but change is coming. It is just a matter of how bad things have to get first.
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Have faith!
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Have faith!
I presume that was sarcasm, because all the "faith" in the world and a dollar won't get you a damned thing unless you happen to be in the dollar store.
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Waiting on NYSRA vs NYC to come out. Hope soon and favorable for us
If it does, then they all screwed
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Waiting on NYSRA vs NYC to come out. Hope soon and favorable for us
If it does, then they all screwed
Hawaii ignores supreme court decisions and the courts do not have any enforcement authority. Remember segregation in schools? The states that denied the supreme court had to have federal government bring in the national guard to escort kids to school. There is no way the national guard is going to escort me to the gun store in Hawaii not matter what the supreme court says.
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Hawaii ignores supreme court decisions and the courts do not have any enforcement authority. Remember segregation in schools? The states that denied the supreme court had to have federal government bring in the national guard to escort kids to school. There is no way the national guard is going to escort me to the gun store in Hawaii not matter what the supreme court says.
What?! You don't think Major Tulsi Gabbard will order her National Guard unit to respond to any and all Second Amendment violations of the Constitutions of the United States and Hawaii?
Oh, maybe you read her campaign website and saw that she is a total gun confiscation aficionado... or, as she puts it: "sensible precautions" for "responsible, common sense gun safety reform."
She has an F rating from the NRA and a 100% legislative score from the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Yep, she's a real supporter of the Second Amendment.
:stopjack:
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Sometimes the problem is not the problem, but the way we choose to look at the problem. These guys are not just burning gun owners. We happen to have a high place on their shit list but what about the farmers who just got boned by another year without Kona coffee regulations? Or protections for journalists? Or the ethics commission hiding ethics violations? Or the 2.98 billion dollar budget that hands out even more money to developers?
These guys are not invincible, and Hawaii will not stay solid blue forever. The question is what do we do in the meantime to make sure our voices get heard once the scoundrels get what is coming to them.
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Hawaii ignores supreme court decisions and the courts do not have any enforcement authority. Remember segregation in schools? The states that denied the supreme court had to have federal government bring in the national guard to escort kids to school. There is no way the national guard is going to escort me to the gun store in Hawaii not matter what the supreme court says.
The federal government has the enforcement authority.
Regarding the desegregation of the schools in Little Rock in 1957 - the National Guard in Arkansas was part of the problem they assisted the local Police in barring access to the school.. until the president mobilized the 1/327th of the 101st Airborne to escort the black students in. Federal intervention. Then to remove the National Guard from play, Eisenhower federalized the entire Arkansas National Guard and assigned them the escort duty. Once under Title 10 orders - the game is different. Everybody is all gangsta until you face courts martial for disobeying orders. Is this likely in Hawaii? probably not. However, this President as a giant middle finger to the resisters to his agenda in Hawaii might very well do that (no surprise the lawsuits were filed here right?).
Its ironic that we might want or indeed rely on federal intervention in such a circumstance.. and its a sad commentary on the state of our civil society in Hawaii. That we have absolutely no voice. This is the conversation we are having and im sure you're having it privately with your friends offline. The Hawaii we grew up in is long, long dead. All we want is to be left alone - but we get branded the extremists and the dangerous ones. We are on the receiving end of what has been a one-sided cold civil war.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-10730-providing-assistance-for-the-removal-obstruction-justice-within-the
I just did a count of the membership of this forum. There are approximately 400 senior members of the forum (more than 100 posts). im not one of them. But 400 is the nucleus of a political movement or a party. We arent alone.