Post by: zhuzhits on March 19, 2020, 09:08:11 AM
Post by: hvybarrels on March 19, 2020, 09:44:37 AM
Post by: AI808 on March 19, 2020, 09:58:20 AM
Post by: WTF?Shane on March 19, 2020, 10:01:34 AM
I could not find anything on their social media. What about permit pickups?
Call them to ask and let us know what they say.
Post by: nahp01 on March 19, 2020, 10:14:53 AM
Post by: punaperson on March 19, 2020, 10:38:44 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 19, 2020, 11:22:04 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 19, 2020, 11:25:46 AM
HPD could easily do this appointment thing by phone. But they want to harass you and have you walk in person to make an appointment. This means 4 trips instead of 3 to HPD for a handgun.
Which also means one more public appearance, exposing both you and the officers to a potential risk of infection unnecessarily.
Maybe they don't care?
Cops are fearless. :rofl:
Post by: rpoL98 on March 19, 2020, 12:43:40 PM
it will morph into a 3-month lead time on getting an appointment, followed by the 2-week waiting period. Karl Roads' wet dream.
ya think? you could take bets on this one.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 19, 2020, 12:53:00 PM
and after the pandemic is over, this restrictive system will stay in place because, "it worked so well..."
it will morph into a 3-month lead time on getting an appointment, followed by the 2-week waiting period. I'll bet Karl Roads just jizzed his jeans.
ya think? you could take bets on this one.
Honestly, given the choice between taking half a day to stand in line versus a half hour scheduled appointment, I'm okay with the new system. What they need to account for is the additional delay that might cause applicants and staff accordingly during heavier than usual demand. If there's more than a 3 day delay for appointments, that needs to be fixed.
There's nothing saying they can't do both: walk-in AND appointments. I'm sure there will be times there are no appointments scheduled when the officers can assist walk-ins.
There were proposals to allow permitting at satellite city halls, which I'm sure never came true because the crazy long lines stopped. Maybe time to revisit that idea?
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 19, 2020, 01:01:50 PM
Honestly, given the choice between taking half a day to stand in line versus a half hour scheduled appointment, I'm okay with the new system. What they need to account for is the additional delay that might cause applicants and staff accordingly during heavier than usual demand. If there's more than a 3 day delay for appointments, that needs to be fixed.
There's nothing saying they can't do both: walk-in AND appointments. I'm sure there will be times there are no appointments scheduled when the officers can assist walk-ins.
There were proposals to allow permitting at satellite city halls, which I'm sure never came true because the crazy long lines stopped. Maybe time to revisit that idea?
I would be more OK with it if you can call in make an appt. The fact that I will have to drive there, park and then leave is a waste of effort.
But still walkins are the best. Sometimes I dont know when I will buy a gun.
Post by: groveler on March 19, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
is you guys accept it as normal to ask
Democrats( union member cops) for
permission to own guns!
My dear departed uncle had some really
good friends in Nicaragua.
Of course I'd never violate any Constitutional
Federal, state or local law.
I'd certainly never do anything to support
the present Hawaii tyranny. Much like
Kuleana I consider our present government to be
illicit. I don't recognize single party states.
I have a very different non-racial
solution, but we need to cut the Democrat party
off and let them be in their Choo Choo
sinking in the ocean.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 19, 2020, 03:18:00 PM
One thing that drives me crazy
is you guys accept it as normal to ask
Democrats( union member cops) for
permission to own guns!
My dear departed uncle had some really
good friends in Nicaragua.
Of course I'd never violate any Constitutional
Federal, state or local law.
I'd certainly never do anything to support
the present Hawaii tyranny. Much like
Kuleana I consider our present government to be
illicit. I don't recognize single party states.
I have a very different non-racial
solution, but we need to cut the Democrat party
off and let them be in their Choo Choo
sinking in the ocean.
The thing that drives many of us crazy
is how you pretend that there is an option
other than following the laws or trying to
change the laws via legislative means.
If you think constantly ragging on people
who follow gun laws to avoid the legal,
financial and employment consequences
of breaking them is somehow good advice,
you're misguided.
This has been brought up to you before. I'm
wondering why you think it's any different
mentioning now.
Your refusal to recognize legitimate, albeit
constrictive, authority reminds me of the
fabulous "Sovereign Citizen" movement.
Don't like the rules? Make believe they somehow
don't apply to you, because "Sovereign".
Post by: Brystont1 on March 19, 2020, 03:29:56 PM
One thing that drives me crazy
is you guys accept it as normal to ask
Democrats( union member cops) for
permission to own guns!
My dear departed uncle had some really
good friends in Nicaragua.
Of course I'd never violate any Constitutional
Federal, state or local law.
I'd certainly never do anything to support
the present Hawaii tyranny. Much like
Kuleana I consider our present government to be
illicit. I don't recognize single party states.
I have a very different non-racial
solution, but we need to cut the Democrat party
off and let them be in their Choo Choo
sinking in the ocean.
Nah no one accepts anything here. We simply do not have the support to do what’s needed to be done which is massive disobedience. The one good thing coming out of the TMT protest is they have unveiled just how pathetic and weak this state is. If we could get that kind of activism and support on our side we would change gun laws here over night.
For whatever reason the vast majority of Hawaii residents seem to be ok with relying on someone else to provide their protection.
Post by: Glasser on March 19, 2020, 05:26:02 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 19, 2020, 06:57:03 PM
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Post by: dogman on March 19, 2020, 07:33:29 PM
Per hpd.website, u can call to set up ur appt."Due to public health concerns, all requests for copies of police reports and firearm transactions shall be by appointment only. To schedule an appointment, please call 723-3191."
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Post by: stangzilla on March 20, 2020, 08:54:03 AM
called HPD firearms division, unavailable
we are screwed again!!!!!!!!! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
Post by: fang23 on March 20, 2020, 09:11:50 AM
Post by: stangzilla on March 20, 2020, 09:28:42 AM
Instead of phone reservations, HPD's firearms section could use one of the online reservation systems like Open Table or Yelp. It's not like anyone can book a restaurant table now.
nah, that's too easy
Post by: stangzilla on March 20, 2020, 09:39:11 AM
Post by: tim808 on March 20, 2020, 09:52:47 AM
When I hit 0 for the operator assistance, I get a message the operator is busy, a goodbye and then it hangs up on me
Post by: fang23 on March 20, 2020, 09:58:04 AM
Phone number no work. Time to re-read Catch-22
Post by: tim808 on March 20, 2020, 10:16:01 AM
Today is last day to walk in for:
Permit pick up
Registration
But that could change at any time
Post by: fang23 on March 20, 2020, 01:28:07 PM
Thanks, Tim. Sure hope this phone reservation thing is only temporary.
Then again, the in-person walk-up system ain't perfect. Back in in early 2013, we got there one morning about 0530. More than 20 people were already in line. This was when all firearms transactions were handled at the counter on the Ewa side of the first floor. By the time we finished about 1000, the line went all the way around the corner to Hotel Street. And that was despite the addition of cops who previously worked in the firearms section and were pulled back in to help.
Post by: mrgaf on March 20, 2020, 01:40:02 PM
723-3266 that should get you in touch with a live yo-yo in firearms... :thumbsup:
Post by: groveler on March 20, 2020, 01:55:18 PM
Assuming I was paid $20 per hour
It would be cheaper to fly to Idaho, do a private sale
arrange shipping, and fly back than EFF with the
Hawaii Democrat party government, their police, and do a sale in Hawaii.
I used a M14 clone as an example for the comparison.
Post by: spicynoodle_1 on March 20, 2020, 03:32:17 PM
I could not find anything on their social media. What about permit pickups?
I took off of work yesterday to go down before they closed and was surprised at the line! There was an officer at the door taking down names for appointments. Had to make appointment for today at 1445. Came back today, applied and found out that for pickup you also need to make an appointment. Called to make appointment for pickup, and the line was busy and the recording told me to call back later... :-\ frustrating...
The reason this is all implemented is because someone complained to the mayor that they were violating the 6ft coronavirus guideline. I was told this by the officer taking down appointments at the door. The asian woman cop said that people were complaining that the others in line were too close to each other and that they need to put up tape...
Post by: 556fun on March 20, 2020, 03:41:00 PM
GL everyone! Stay healthy!!!
Post by: stangzilla on March 20, 2020, 04:01:40 PM
I took off of work yesterday to go down before they closed and was surprised at the line! There was an officer at the door taking down names for appointments. Had to make appointment for today at 1445. Came back today, applied and found out that for pickup you also need to make an appointment. Called to make appointment for pickup, and the line was busy and the recording told me to call back later... :-\ frustrating...
The reason this is all implemented is because someone complained to the mayor that they were violating the 6ft coronavirus guideline. I was told this by the officer taking down appointments at the door. The asian woman cop said that people were complaining that the others in line were too close to each other and that they need to put up tape...
part of their job is find ways to make it more difficult to register firearms
congratulations, this is a good one
they are very good at infringing on the 2A
they are one of the best at it
Post by: dogman on March 20, 2020, 04:04:32 PM
For the 723-3191 appointment #, what is the extension #?I called Suzy and was told if you get the recording, the line is busy and to hang up and try again. :(
When I hit 0 for the operator assistance, I get a message the operator is busy, a goodbye and then it hangs up on me
This is brutal took me 421 attempts to finally get through 90 minutes non-stop dialing - appointment made next week tueI guess I was really lucky, got someone on the third try. :)
GL everyone! Stay healthy!!!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 20, 2020, 04:12:18 PM
I took off of work yesterday to go down before they closed and was surprised at the line! There was an officer at the door taking down names for appointments. Had to make appointment for today at 1445. Came back today, applied and found out that for pickup you also need to make an appointment. Called to make appointment for pickup, and the line was busy and the recording told me to call back later... :-\ frustrating...
The reason this is all implemented is because someone complained to the mayor that they were violating the 6ft coronavirus guideline. I was told this by the officer taking down appointments at the door. The asian woman cop said that people were complaining that the others in line were too close to each other and that they need to put up tape...
A simpler solution would have been to implement a kiosk check-in and video status display like the Social Security office in Kapolei. I walked in, signed up on the kiosk, waited until my number was announced and appeared on the display. Very efficient and fast In and out in about 15 minutes with only a few people ahead of me.
People waiting for their number to be called can wait outside if the numbers called are audible and visible there. Any 6ft distance violations would be voluntary.
How is waiting in line to make an appointment different than waiting in line to apply/pickup/register?
Post by: AI808 on March 20, 2020, 04:22:26 PM
Post by: stangzilla on March 20, 2020, 04:39:41 PM
This is brutal took me 421 attempts to finally get through 90 minutes non-stop dialing - appointment made next week tue
GL everyone! Stay healthy!!!
I was calling non stop for 30 minutes. when I could get through, I got put on hold for 30 seconds then a message comes on saying they are very busy call back later.
so I keep calling until eventually I get a message saying they are closed.
WTF !!!!! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
Post by: spicynoodle_1 on March 20, 2020, 05:07:18 PM
How is waiting in line to make an appointment different than waiting in line to apply/pickup/register?
For starters, it's one more trip you have to make back to the station. I dont know about you, but some of us have other things to do than wait in these lines. Also, when was the last time you saw a line go around the block and down to Ward? Seems like it's taking a lot longer than it used to, doesnt it? Or maybe you would drive down to the station from wherever it is you live, see that ridiculous line and just say, "I'll just come back another day." And drive all the way back home, only to drive back another day, because it's no thing to wait in these lines. All the time in the world, probably. Btw, the people in these said lines aren't all smiling faces. So I think others share my frustration, as you can clearly see on other posts on this thread.
Now, I'm gonna assume you dont have a problem with calling in to make an appointment to pick up your permit, because sitting waiting on the phone while you hear elevator music for hours is just fine for you, even though the old way of popping your head to quickly pick your permit up and head out was slightly easier than the current procedure. But hey, at least there isn't a line for that...
I feel like that was a troll question...
Post by: Phazuka on March 20, 2020, 06:16:15 PM
Post by: Glasser on March 20, 2020, 06:37:40 PM
called that number, doesn't work
called HPD firearms division, unavailable
we are screwed again!!!!!!!!! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
Didnt someone earlier post the HRS showing specifically that HPD cannot deny permits or halt registration in times of Emergency? Sounds like they need to get sued and it should be brought up the next time HPD wants to testify in favor of anti-2A legislation.
Post by: dogman on March 20, 2020, 07:29:31 PM
I was calling non stop for 30 minutes. when I could get through, I got put on hold for 30 seconds then a message comes on saying they are very busy call back later.Wow, I guess I was really lucky to get through so fast. One thing though, the first day to pick up my permit is next week Thursday but he said it's a holiday and they will be closed.
so I keep calling until eventually I get a message saying they are closed.
WTF !!!!! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 20, 2020, 08:29:31 PM
Didnt someone earlier post the HRS showing specifically that HPD cannot deny permits or halt registration in times of Emergency? Sounds like they need to get sued and it should be brought up the next time HPD wants to testify in favor of anti-2A legislation.They arent denying permits, just limiting how many can apply due to a pandemic. A legal team looked at it and its legal what theyre doing.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 20, 2020, 08:32:20 PM
They arent denying permits, just limiting how many can apply due to a pandemic. A legal team looked at it and its legal what theyre doing.
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Same legal team that advised the Kealohas? :shake:
Post by: Phazuka on March 20, 2020, 10:58:07 PM
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=21888.0
Post by: mill8316 on March 21, 2020, 09:00:25 PM
Remember you can download the permitting forms first, fill them out at home then just drop them off at the permitting section.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=21888.0
Not anymore. When I was there yesterday they said you need an appointment even just to apply for a permit, even if it is just a renewal or a handgun permit.
Post by: Phazuka on March 22, 2020, 01:19:33 AM
Not anymore. When I was there yesterday they said you need an appointment even just to apply for a permit, even if it is just a renewal or a handgun permit.
Sheesh, was able to do this last December.
Post by: mill8316 on March 22, 2020, 01:36:56 AM
Sheesh, was able to do this last December.
Yah. They are getting ridiculous. There is a 5 day period within which time you have to register any firearm purchase, but now you have to make an appointment and it sounds like they are not even answering the phones to make new appointments. At least on Friday they weren’t answering. Some guys in line called non stop for 1.5+ hours and nobody even got through.
Post by: Platinum808 on March 22, 2020, 07:36:19 AM
Yah. They are getting ridiculous. There is a 5 day period within which time you have to register any firearm purchase, but now you have to make an appointment and it sounds like they are not even answering the phones to make new appointments. At least on Friday they weren’t answering. Some guys in line called non stop for 1.5+ hours and nobody even got through.At that point you are trying to follow law but they are not answer the phone so what are you to do!
Post by: dogman on March 22, 2020, 09:44:41 AM
Sheesh, was able to do this last December.
The actual permit to acquire triplicate form was never available online, only at the window.
Post by: groveler on March 22, 2020, 03:14:32 PM
in our HPD, ours can't hit anything except civilians..
This is the political section, so perhaps we cold discuss ways to tell
these guys to fuck off?
Legally of course.
I keep a very good lawyer on speed dial.
Just in case.
Post by: WTF?Shane on March 22, 2020, 03:32:31 PM
You Oahu HPD people deal with a different "Spray and pray" cop than we do
in our HPD, ours can't hit anything except civilians..
This is the political section, so perhaps we cold discuss ways to tell
these guys to fuck off?
Legally of course.
I keep a very good lawyer on speed dial.
Just in case.
:stopjack:
Post by: eyeeatingfish on March 22, 2020, 08:47:28 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on March 22, 2020, 08:49:07 PM
At that point you are trying to follow law but they are not answer the phone so what are you to do!
Document your attempts and if they ever try to bang you for being outside the 5 days then you can show you were trying.
Post by: nahp01 on March 22, 2020, 09:32:25 PM
Post by: oldfart on March 22, 2020, 10:35:41 PM
Do you guys think the permitting and registrations windows are considered “essential” and will remain open? I have a permit I need to pick up.==========
I think the bigger question is, "When does a process delay change from inconvenience to infringement?"
Post by: smg1231 on March 23, 2020, 08:33:16 AM
Post by: AI808 on March 23, 2020, 09:47:56 AM
Post by: nahp01 on March 23, 2020, 10:28:18 AM
Made an appointment this morning, took 21 tries.
Was this for doing business today, or in the next 30 days? Thanks.
Post by: RSN172 on March 23, 2020, 10:31:11 AM
40+ calls and still no one answered.Try calling HA reservations. Tried several times per hour till 2230 last week and got BZ signals. Finally phone rang and got a recording and was holding for 17 minutes before talking to an agent. Following day they put up a page for cancellations only. Their res line is still hard to get into.
Post by: dirtylickins on March 23, 2020, 11:14:45 AM
Do you guys think the permitting and registrations windows are considered “essential” and will remain open? I have a permit I need to pick up.I know they are open. They tried to shut it down but a particular group put themselves out on the line and got that decision changed.
Post by: nahp01 on March 23, 2020, 11:50:10 AM
Try calling HA reservations. Tried several times per hour till 2230 last week and got BZ signals. Finally phone rang and got a recording and was holding for 17 minutes before talking to an agent. Following day they put up a page for cancellations only. Their res line is still hard to get into.
Were you able to complete your changes? Let me know if not, as well as for anyone else not being able to get through to Hawaiian Airlines for changes. I can do what I can to help.
Post by: macsak on March 23, 2020, 12:16:32 PM
I know they are open. They tried to shut it down but a particular group put themselves out on the line and got that decision changed.
mahalo xring
Post by: RSN172 on March 23, 2020, 12:22:41 PM
Were you able to complete your changes? Let me know if not, as well as for anyone else not being able to get through to Hawaiian Airlines for changes. I can do what I can to help.Mahalo, but got it done. Neva mean fo derail, but now
:stopjack:
Post by: Mdotweber on March 23, 2020, 05:04:35 PM
mahalo xring
:rofl: HaHaHahAhA
Post by: Kumachan on March 23, 2020, 05:28:40 PM
Post by: AI808 on March 24, 2020, 08:55:20 AM
Post by: nahp01 on March 24, 2020, 03:20:48 PM
Post by: Platinum808 on March 24, 2020, 05:09:32 PM
Took 84 tries to get through, but was finally able to make an appt for permit and also the follow up appt for registration. I'm just glad they're still open.84 time I would just wait till they call you because you didn’t register then I would tell them you don’t pickup the phone! Honolulu finest not the smartest but the finest!
Post by: 556fun on March 24, 2020, 05:35:03 PM
Hpd also seems to be ontime - don’t be late and miss your time!!
Be well everyone!
Post by: EhhhSteve on March 24, 2020, 06:07:12 PM
Front doors are closed and locked. Officer or worker will come to open the door to check if you have an appointment etc. I got there 15min early had 1 other person in there.
Cause of the virus and how small that registration room is only 2 people allowed at a time.
Post by: EhhhSteve on March 24, 2020, 06:10:10 PM
So just got to be patient for all of us both sides.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 24, 2020, 06:12:52 PM
Was talking to couple of the officers there. The virus and social distancing been helping them little bit with a slowdown and limit of how much they can accommodateat a time. Hpd been getting hit hard lately with an influx of buyers and especially 1st time buyer panic buying.
So just got to be patient for all of us both sides.
So:
The virus is helping HPD with smaller lines/fewer people arriving at once to get permits/register.
Also, the virus did not help HPD as it caused more people to want to buy guns.
Self-licking ice cream cone ...
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 24, 2020, 06:12:55 PM
Was talking to couple of the officers there. The virus and social distancing been helping them little bit with a slowdown and limit of how much they can accommodateat a time. Hpd been getting hit hard lately with an influx of buyers and especially 1st time buyer panic buying.Or do away with reg and permits. Problem solved.
So just got to be patient for all of us both sides.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 24, 2020, 06:16:00 PM
Or do away with reg and permits. Problem solved.
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At a minimum, stop requiring permits for current firearm owners.
No need to worry about background checks for existing owners. RAPBACK takes care of that. :rofl:
Post by: Kumachan on March 24, 2020, 06:55:39 PM
Post by: zhuzhits on March 24, 2020, 10:01:56 PM
Post by: zippz on March 25, 2020, 09:06:02 AM
Hilo HPD firearm section closed till???
BI PD's cancelled their closure recently, they will be open again for permits and registration. They will go to an appointment system at the beginning of April.
Post by: oldfart on March 25, 2020, 09:19:13 AM
At a minimum, stop requiring permits for current firearm owners.....
No need to worry about background checks for existing owners. RAPBACK takes care of that. :rofl:
Can't do that...
It makes too much sense.
Post by: zippz on March 25, 2020, 10:57:16 AM
Or do away with reg and permits. Problem solved.
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it's possible but there's more to it. Agreements have to be made with the ATF due to the brady background checks. Then stores would need to apply and learn about the NICS instant background checks. It could be done, not sure how long it would take. Person to person transfers wouldn't need that, but I don't think the Governor would go for that.
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 25, 2020, 11:24:45 AM
it's possible but there's more to it. Agreements have to be made with the ATF due to the brady background checks. Then stores would need to apply and learn about the NICS instant background checks. It could be done, not sure how long it would take. Person to person transfers wouldn't need that, but I don't think the Governor would go for that.
So honor system is out the window then? :rofl:
Post by: Kumachan on March 25, 2020, 12:02:18 PM
Post by: mauiboi9 on March 25, 2020, 12:21:53 PM
Post by: TooFewPews on March 25, 2020, 12:28:36 PM
now that my LG permit will be renewed, what pews should i buy? I NEED MORE PEWS!
Post by: stangzilla on March 25, 2020, 12:53:39 PM
Post by: drck1000 on March 25, 2020, 01:05:45 PM
Post by: spicynoodle_1 on March 25, 2020, 01:25:55 PM
do you need an appt to pick up the permit paperwork too?
Yessir! I've been trying to call in to make an appointment for 4/3-4/9 and haven't been able to get through for about 5 days now. Some members on here have been lucky enough to get through, but no dice for me...
Post by: stangzilla on March 25, 2020, 01:36:07 PM
Yessir! I've been trying to call in to make an appointment for 4/3-4/9 and haven't been able to get through for about 5 days now. Some members on here have been lucky enough to get through, but no dice for me...
me too, been trying for 2 days. no luck.
my work schedule, I cant just not go work at the drop of a hat. its not like all of us sit around and do nothing until HPD answers the phone. geewhiz!!!!! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
Post by: AI808 on March 25, 2020, 02:05:55 PM
Yessir! I've been trying to call in to make an appointment for 4/3-4/9 and haven't been able to get through for about 5 days now. Some members on here have been lucky enough to get through, but no dice for me...
Same. I can pick up my long gun permit today 3/25. But even if I do somehow get through to make an appointment, I am guessing it will be pass the date and they will trash my permit. I already made 100+ calls since last friday and still nothing.
Edit: Ok well after 5 more calls after I made this post they answered. They asked what I needed to pick up and asked my date I can pick it up. They said I can pick it up Friday.
Post by: astroboy on March 25, 2020, 02:55:12 PM
Post by: jc2721 on March 25, 2020, 03:29:08 PM
Post by: Rocky on March 25, 2020, 04:55:53 PM
Tomorrow is a state holiday so don't waste your time calling HPD, they're probably closed.
Which State Holiday is that ?
Nike's "Air Max Day or Día del Mercosur. :wacko:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 25, 2020, 05:15:27 PM
Which State Holiday is that ?
Nike's "Air Max Day or Día del Mercosur. :wacko:
Kill Haole Day
#distressed
#quarantined
Seriously, it's Prince Kūhiō Day.
Quote
Prince Kūhiō Day is an official holiday in the state of Hawaiʻi in the United States.[1]
It is celebrated annually on March 26, to mark the birth of Prince Jonah Kūhiō Kalanianaʻole —
heir to the throne of the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi, prince of the House of Kalākaua, and later
territorial delegate to the United States Congress.[2] It was established in 1949 by the
legislature of the Territory of Hawaii.[3]
As a delegate, Kuhio authored the first Hawaii Statehood bill in 1919.
He also won passage of the Hawaiian Homes Act, creating the Hawaiian Homes Commission
and setting aside 200,000 acres (810 km2) of land for Hawaiian homesteaders.
Prince Kūhiō Day is one of only two holidays in the United States dedicated to royalty, the
other being Hawaiʻi's King Kamehameha Day on June 11.[1]
Post by: Rocky on March 26, 2020, 07:23:40 AM
Kill Haole DayRACIST ! O0
Wait a minute.
You mean Hawaiian Royalty was not only involved with the U.S. Government but was an acting member of it 10 years before it became a state? :wacko:
Post by: aieahound on March 26, 2020, 08:41:18 AM
Damn white privilege. :rofl:
Quote from FlappMauidogDarmokMoosed:
“ Prince Jonah Kūhiō Kalanianaʻole —
heir to the throne of the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi, prince of the House of Kalākaua, and later
territorial delegate to the United States Congress.[2]
...
As a delegate, Kuhio authored the first Hawaii Statehood bill in 1919. “
:popcorn:
Here we go......
Post by: eyeeatingfish on March 26, 2020, 11:11:54 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 26, 2020, 11:43:34 AM
Do they still offer he option of providing a stamped envelope that they can mail you your permit?
Requires a trip to the post office to get the properly addressed and postage paid envelope -- which costs about $10 in postage and special services.
So, trip to HPD, or trip to Post Office. Ultimately saves you no time, but costs you more $$.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 26, 2020, 11:50:43 AM
The State of Hawaii, in contrast, celebrates and honors their monarchies. Some even yearn for their return.
Freedom and self-governance versus subjugation. I guess anyone can be taught to be comfortable with their form government no matter how oppressive it is.
:popcorn:
Post by: Phazuka on March 26, 2020, 12:06:32 PM
i called HPD this morning and I was able to schedule an appointment for next week.Stripped lowers, by the case....
now that my LG permit will be renewed, what pews should i buy? I NEED MORE PEWS!
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on March 26, 2020, 12:37:51 PM
Requires a trip to the post office to get the properly addressed and postage paid envelope -- which costs about $10 in postage and special services.
So, trip to HPD, or trip to Post Office. Ultimately saves you no time, but costs you more $$.
Doesn't fit in a regular envelop mailed with a 49 cent stamp?
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 26, 2020, 12:44:14 PM
Doesn't fit in a regular envelop mailed with a 49 cent stamp?
I thin it has to be certified mail.
Post by: punaperson on March 26, 2020, 01:06:36 PM
I thin it has to be certified mail.I don't hear anyone on that side calling for "a few common sense gun permit mailing regulations". :geekdanc:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 26, 2020, 03:48:58 PM
Doesn't fit in a regular envelop mailed with a 49 cent stamp?
Read the HPD website:
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As an option, long-gun applicants may have their processed permits mailed to them.
Applicants need to provide a
self-addressed pre-paid envelope,
certified
restricted-delivery
return receipt required
(available at the U.S. Post Office) at time of application for permit.
Long-gun (rifles/shotguns) permits are valid for one (1) year from the date of issue.
Be advised that a handgun (pistols/revolvers) permit is valid for only ten (10) days from the date of issue.
Based on HPD's info, mailing permits to applicants is not an option for handgun permits, likely due to the short turn-around time available to complete the acquisition.
From a "tin foil perspective," the more applicants who fail to pick up handgun permits by the deadline, the more times HPD can make applicants start from square one again, thus delaying another handgun from being "on the street." Anyone who has their permit mailed is not at risk of having the permit destroyed if they can't get to the station for a few days.
Post by: mrgaf on March 28, 2020, 10:24:05 AM
Post by: RSN172 on March 28, 2020, 10:32:23 AM
Doesn't fit in a regular envelop mailed with a 49 cent stamp?A first class envelop costs 55 cents. It hasn't been 49 cents for awhile.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 28, 2020, 10:40:54 AM
Ok so what happens if I purchase a gun in a private sale, have a valid, current permit but cannot get in touch with HPD to make an appointment or if I do get one but it exceeds the maximum time allowed to register??? ???
HPD has never done anything negative to anyone who came in to register after the specified time limit. If you wait too long, they'll give you a gentle reminder via phone.
I imagine if you ignore registration indefinitely, you COULD be charged with a petty misdemeanor, but responsible, law-abiding gun owners (like Groveler) would never refuse to register so that it gets to that!
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§134-17 Penalties. (a) If any person gives false information or offers false evidence of the person's identity in complying with any of the requirements of this part, that person shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, provided, however that if any person intentionally gives false information or offers false evidence concerning their psychiatric or criminal history in complying with any of the requirements of this part, that person shall be guilty of a class C felony.
(b) Any person who violates section 134-3(a) shall be guilty of a petty misdemeanor.
(c) Any person who violates section 134-2, 134-4, 134-10, 134-15, or 134-16(a) shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. Any person who violates section 134-3(b) shall be guilty of a petty misdemeanor and the firearm shall be confiscated as contraband and disposed of, if the firearm is not registered within five days of the person receiving notice of the violation. [L 1988, c 275, pt of §2; am L 1994, c 204, §9]
Post by: spicynoodle_1 on March 31, 2020, 09:41:34 AM
I called probably 50 times off and on yesterday from when they opened till just about 11. Just gotta keep calling. I got through just before the 50th time.
So how come you called that 50th time? :rofl: jk
Seriously though, glad you and others were able to get through. My friend called twice and got through. I was thinking he should've just dropped my name too! Ultimately, still no appointment and my permit pickup is this week...
Post by: notaglock on April 01, 2020, 10:21:33 AM
Post by: astroboy on April 01, 2020, 05:04:41 PM
Hang in there guys and stay safe.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 01, 2020, 08:01:53 PM
A first class envelop costs 55 cents. It hasn't been 49 cents for awhile.
I have been living off my Costco size supply of forever stamps for a while now ;D
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 01, 2020, 08:05:53 PM
I hope they take lessons learned from this and implement an appointment reservation system like they did at the DMV which was actually a big improvement. Imagine having your preset time window and you don't have to take a guess at how many people will be in line when you arrive. The parking would be easier too.
Post by: Eric808 on April 03, 2020, 05:41:34 PM
Post by: Brystont1 on April 03, 2020, 06:01:30 PM
Most recent I have heard is that when people get through to make their appointments they get all 3 appointments reserved at once so you don't need to worry about calling again once you pick up the gun.
I hope they take lessons learned from this and implement an appointment reservation system like they did at the DMV which was actually a big improvement. Imagine having your preset time window and you don't have to take a guess at how many people will be in line when you arrive. The parking would be easier too.
Imagine just having to do a background check at a LGS and not having to make any appointments with HPD for anything ;)
One can only dream.
Post by: Phazuka on April 03, 2020, 06:19:42 PM
300+ times and missed the pickup window. But I showed them the number of times I called over how many days and they were apologetic.
All I want is a SOCOM2 CQB and gen5 Glock G19 MOS.
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Post by: Chiefjoe1911 on April 03, 2020, 06:49:16 PM
Post by: spicynoodle_1 on April 04, 2020, 05:24:58 AM
Anyway, apparently there is a person on the other side of that phone. Just gotta call 5000 times, that's all...
Post by: stangzilla on April 04, 2020, 05:33:36 AM
Imagine just having to do a background check at a LGS and not having to make any appointments with HPD for anything ;)
One can only dream.
Or having a ccw permit and no need background check
Just pay and walk away
That would be like living in America
Post by: stangzilla on April 04, 2020, 05:37:19 AM
My long gun permit is expiring shortly. I have been call off and on since 03/27 and just keep getting the "We are sorry..." message. After 12 tries today, someone finally answered. Made my appointment for the application, the pickup, and the registration. :thumbsup: :geekdanc: Maybe another purchase before my application appointment? I can dream.
Same here, renewing long gun permit
I called for 3 days, 2 hours each day. Finally got through. Person who answered was very nice, very helpful. Almost too nice, too helpful. My spidey sense is tingling. >:D
Since I'm going there anyway, might as well buy something. Or two. :thumbsup:
Post by: drck1000 on April 04, 2020, 08:53:08 AM
Or having a ccw permit and no need background checkThat’s what it was like in WA back in the late 90s. Not anymore though :(
Just pay and walk away
That would be like living in America
My long gun permit expires today. I had been planning on buying the PCC before today, then F’ing Rona.
Post by: 6716J on April 05, 2020, 02:26:05 PM
Most recent I have heard is that when people get through to make their appointments they get all 3 appointments reserved at once so you don't need to worry about calling again once you pick up the gun.
I hope they take lessons learned from this and implement an appointment reservation system like they did at the DMV which was actually a big improvement. Imagine having your preset time window and you don't have to take a guess at how many people will be in line when you arrive. The parking would be easier too.
Oh I hope not like DMV here. I'm trying to get driving test for my son and it's 6 months out. I have to get the Gold Star ID and the earliest is 3 months out. Yeah no thanks. I'll take my chances knowing I can waste a day but have it done.
But I can see it now getting all 3 lined up at once....
Your appointment to apply for permit is May 1, 2020, your follow up to pick up your permit (unless you have it mailed) is June 16, 2020 (sorry - outside pickup window, please start over), your bring back to provide firearm for registration is August 12, 2020 if you were smart enough to have it mailed (again sorry - not within 5 days, we gonna confiscate now). That's just for long guns. I can't wait to see a fiasco for handguns.
Post by: mrgaf on April 05, 2020, 07:15:42 PM
Oh I hope not like DMV here. I'm trying to get driving test for my son and it's 6 months out. I have to get the Gold Star ID and the earliest is 3 months out. Yeah no thanks. I'll take my chances knowing I can waste a day but have it done.
But I can see it now getting all 3 lined up at once....
Your appointment to apply for permit is May 1, 2020, your follow up to pick up your permit (unless you have it mailed) is June 16, 2020 (sorry - outside pickup window, please start over), your bring back to provide firearm for registration is August 12, 2020 if you were smart enough to have it mailed (again sorry - not within 5 days, we gonna confiscate now). That's just for long guns. I can't wait to see a fiasco for handguns.
Didn’t the feds say the “gold star” requirement was suspended UFN?
Post by: macsak on April 05, 2020, 07:37:29 PM
Didn’t the feds say the “gold star” requirement was suspended UFN?
one year delay...
Post by: mrgaf on April 06, 2020, 07:35:38 AM
one year delay...
Ahh yes now I remember.... :D
Post by: Rocky on April 06, 2020, 09:52:20 AM
one year delay...Due to Election year voter fraud. :grrr:
Post by: hvybarrels on April 06, 2020, 02:36:33 PM
https://www.kitv.com/story/41975623/hawaii-loading-up-on-guns-ammo-amid-coronavirus-panic
Post by: 6716J on April 06, 2020, 02:59:22 PM
HPD congratulating themselves for slowing down the number of registrations with their new appointment and "police report" policies. What kind of public service award does one get for intentionally interfering with constitutional rights?
https://www.kitv.com/story/41975623/hawaii-loading-up-on-guns-ammo-amid-coronavirus-panic
Oppressive Government Service of the Month Award
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 06, 2020, 03:14:19 PM
Due to Election year voter fraud. :grrr:
Disenfranchised illegals fighting for THEIR COVID-19 stimulus checks paid for by OUR taxes -- current and future.
Post by: stangzilla on April 07, 2020, 01:55:14 PM
HPD congratulating themselves for slowing down the number of registrations with their new appointment and "police report" policies. What kind of public service award does one get for intentionally interfering with constitutional rights?
https://www.kitv.com/story/41975623/hawaii-loading-up-on-guns-ammo-amid-coronavirus-panic
I'll help up the reg #'s next time I go. i'll bring a few. waste my time if I only get 1 at a time. :shaka:
Post by: Phazuka on April 08, 2020, 11:11:49 AM
Post by: nahp01 on April 08, 2020, 03:10:05 PM
Post by: LRT on April 08, 2020, 10:54:29 PM
Post by: hoe_nah on April 09, 2020, 11:08:21 AM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 09, 2020, 06:19:39 PM
Oh I hope not like DMV here. I'm trying to get driving test for my son and it's 6 months out. I have to get the Gold Star ID and the earliest is 3 months out. Yeah no thanks. I'll take my chances knowing I can waste a day but have it done.
But I can see it now getting all 3 lined up at once....
Your appointment to apply for permit is May 1, 2020, your follow up to pick up your permit (unless you have it mailed) is June 16, 2020 (sorry - outside pickup window, please start over), your bring back to provide firearm for registration is August 12, 2020 if you were smart enough to have it mailed (again sorry - not within 5 days, we gonna confiscate now). That's just for long guns. I can't wait to see a fiasco for handguns.
I have had to use the DMV twice since they have the new system. First time was nice and fast, maybe 30 mins in and out. Second time they were running slower, maybe 45 mins but still faster than before the new system.
I can understand any system rushed into place like this is going to have problems. The real test is what they decide to do with it after this is all over, keep it, do away with it, or fix the problems in making an appointment. Personally, I think they should make registration allowed at all police stations at any time of day.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 09, 2020, 06:23:14 PM
I have had to use the DMV twice since they have the new system. First time was nice and fast, maybe 30 mins in and out. Second time they were running slower, maybe 45 mins but still faster than before the new system.
I can understand any system rushed into place like this is going to have problems. The real test is what they decide to do with it after this is all over, keep it, do away with it, or fix the problems in making an appointment. Personally, I think they should make registration allowed at all police stations at any time of day.
That won't help the permit process.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 09, 2020, 07:14:24 PM
That won't help the permit process.
Registering at any police station? Nope, it would just help with the registration process.
Post by: Heavies on April 09, 2020, 08:59:01 PM
I have had to use the DMV twice since they have the new system. First time was nice and fast, maybe 30 mins in and out. Second time they were running slower, maybe 45 mins but still faster than before the new system.
I can understand any system rushed into place like this is going to have problems. The real test is what they decide to do with it after this is all over, keep it, do away with it, or fix the problems in making an appointment. Personally, I think they should make registration allowed at all police stations at any time of day.
Most of the entire permitting process should be done online. (even though getting a permit to exercise your rights is unconstitutional) Registration should be completely abolished.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 09, 2020, 09:04:55 PM
Most of the entire permitting process should be done online. (even though getting a permit to exercise your rights is unconstitutional) Registration should be completely abolished.
But, you can't enforce universal background checks (UBC) ... which is exactly what HI has ... without a registration requirement.
Hence the reason a national UBC system can't exist -- legally.
Post by: mikenkapolei on April 10, 2020, 08:38:09 AM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 10, 2020, 09:40:21 AM
Starting Monday, April 13th, you can make an appointment online for firearm permits. Check the HPD website.
Wow, if that really happens that is much faster than I could have expected
Post by: Heavies on April 10, 2020, 05:22:05 PM
Wow, if that really happens that is much faster than I could have expected
Thanks for putting in the good word and getting this done! :thumbsup: :shaka:
Can you work on abolishing registration? :love:
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 11, 2020, 09:34:40 PM
Thanks for putting in the good word and getting this done! :thumbsup: :shaka:
Can you work on abolishing registration? :love:
I am actually Chief Ballard so don't worry, I will make it happen :thumbsup:
Post by: Heavies on April 12, 2020, 08:44:34 AM
I am actually Chief Ballard so don't worry, I will make it happen :thumbsup:
Yay!! can you get to signing CCW permits too! Mine is on file. send it over please. MAHALO :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
Post by: dogman on April 12, 2020, 09:45:11 AM
I am actually Chief Ballard so don't worry, I will make it happen :thumbsup:There are laws against impersonating a police officer, of course no one on this forum does anything illegal. ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 12, 2020, 05:12:07 PM
There are laws against impersonating a police officer, of course no one on this forum does anything illegal. ;DU mean another police officer.
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 12, 2020, 08:26:39 PM
There are laws against impersonating a police officer, of course no one on this forum does anything illegal. ;D
Are you insulting my gender and identity fluid identity?
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 12, 2020, 08:41:17 PM
Are you insulting my gender and identity fluid identity?How many genders are infected with corona?
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Post by: aieahound on April 12, 2020, 09:48:55 PM
Assuming at least one of each gender has been infected.
Never mind. Just found another gender.
(Asked my daughters and they said there’s a spectrum then changed to 3. Male. Female. Non-Binary.
Apparently Non-Binary is infinite. Hence the plus in LGBTQ+)
:stopjack:
Post by: London808 on April 12, 2020, 10:02:25 PM
Just got through yesterday got an appointment same day and made my reg app. When I went to pick up the permits, there were a lot of people outside waiting to be seen. I'm talking 10-12 peeps picking up or applying. Some were there an hour early. Talked to most of them, maybe 8-9 were first time. Amazed...
Anyway, apparently there is a person on the other side of that phone. Just gotta call 5000 times, that's all...
There is no person picking up the phone. If it was really that busy do you think you would of been able to get an appointment on the same day......
Post by: Eric808 on April 13, 2020, 09:55:35 AM
Due to public health concerns, all firearm transactions shall be by appointment only.
Click here to schedule an appointment
The Honolulu Police Department is committed to doing our part in ensuring the health and safety of all members of our community.
http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain
Post by: 6716J on April 13, 2020, 10:05:46 AM
Firearms Section (link below to HPD web page)
Due to public health concerns, all firearm transactions shall be by appointment only.
Click here to schedule an appointment
The Honolulu Police Department is committed to doing our part in ensuring the health and safety of all members of our community.
http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain
Earliest appointment is April 30 for P2A
Earliest appointment to register if you brought in from out of state is April 28....wait wut? isn't that outside of the 5 day HRS requirement?.... So will they be confiscated when you register or will they just say whatevah. No worry long as you register da kine
Post by: drck1000 on April 13, 2020, 10:22:23 AM
dogman doesn't do anything insulting. . .
at least not in a direct way. . . sometimes I catch some backhanded attempts ;D
:rofl:
Post by: nahp01 on April 13, 2020, 01:56:18 PM
Post by: Rhed on April 13, 2020, 02:11:44 PM
Post by: stangzilla on April 13, 2020, 02:12:59 PM
So, if applying for a handgun permit, we would need to make 2 separate permit to acquire appointments, 2 weeks apart right? One to apply, and one to pick up?
yes
Post by: stangzilla on April 13, 2020, 02:13:39 PM
Is this going to be the way for permits now? Even after the pendemic?
when I made my appts, person on the phone said temporary. but who knows
Post by: stangzilla on April 13, 2020, 02:46:47 PM
schedule appts online
better than waiting for them to answer the phone
Post by: Heavies on April 13, 2020, 04:06:53 PM
http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain&fbclid=IwAR2AXODKXsLiHqGCJm4micmX-QKmol0QW4QOqyNczbanVqCz9aAn-y7Gmi8 (http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain&fbclid=IwAR2AXODKXsLiHqGCJm4micmX-QKmol0QW4QOqyNczbanVqCz9aAn-y7Gmi8)
schedule appts online
better than waiting for them to answer the phone
As of this moment, the earliest appointment time able to be scheduled is May 5 @ 1:30 PM. You'll need to wait one month to apply to exercise your rights, then wait an additional 14 days to pick up you permit to exercise your rights, then return to register your gun, finally being able to partially exercise your rights...…. :(
Post by: Rhed on April 13, 2020, 05:20:08 PM
when I made my appts, person on the phone said temporary. but who knows
I know right? They might just go with it all the way.. :wtf:
Post by: dogman on April 13, 2020, 05:39:56 PM
So, if applying for a handgun permit, we would need to make 2 separate permit to acquire appointments, 2 weeks apart right? One to apply, and one to pick up?And one to register, three trips to HPD to purchase a handgun unless private sale and the seller can meet you at HPD.
Post by: dogman on April 13, 2020, 05:44:12 PM
Are you insulting my gender and identity fluid identity?Aaaaaaaaaaa What?
dogman doesn't do anything insulting. . .You're an idiot. :-*
at least not in a direct way. . . sometimes I catch some backhanded attempts ;D
:rofl:
Post by: dogman on April 13, 2020, 05:44:47 PM
Post by: dogman on April 13, 2020, 05:49:50 PM
And one to register, three trips to HPD to purchase a handgun unless private sale and the seller can meet you at HPD.If you buy from a private seller I guess you still need to make three appointments since the permit pickup window is in a different room that firearm registration window. :(
Post by: 19pontiac79 on April 15, 2020, 01:57:31 PM
So help fellow 2a brothers out and cancel through the link in the email they send you when you schedule an appointment if you can't make it :shaka: :thumbsup:
Post by: CyberNinja808 on April 16, 2020, 09:48:48 PM
My cousin just scheduled today to fill out permit to aquire. He got may 14. So end of may is the earliest he would have his guns in hand. He called the firearms dept and they told him to get in earlier, he would have to watch the open times everyday on the comp, if someone cancels through the email they send when you schedule, their time slot opens up on the comp. It's fully automated they said. But how many people will actually cancel instead of just not showing up? ???
So help fellow 2a brothers out and cancel through the link in the email they send you when you schedule an appointment if you can't make it :shaka: :thumbsup:
Good to know. Thanks for the heads up
Post by: Phazuka on April 16, 2020, 09:52:35 PM
Then 14 day wait, then pick up and registration.
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Post by: 6716J on April 17, 2020, 09:12:00 AM
My permit to aquire 2x handguns is May 13.
Then 14 day wait, then pick up and registration.
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Nothing beats having to wait to exercise a right.... >:(
You make all 3 appointments?
Post by: Phazuka on April 17, 2020, 09:21:53 AM
Nothing beats having to wait to exercise a right.... >:(They will make all 3 appointment's at the same time. Yes, this is totally unconstitutional. But, I lived in Australia for 10 years and the only affordable way to get a single shot is to become a farmer. But all metro cops patrol the train stations and other locations with mp5's.
You make all 3 appointments?
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Post by: groveler on April 17, 2020, 09:29:31 AM
They will make all 3 appointment's at the same time. Yes, this is totally unconstitutional. But, I lived in Australia for 10 years and the only affordable way to get a single shot is to become a farmer. But all metro cops patrol the train stations and other locations with mp5's.Sounds like a good way to get an MP5.
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they wouldn't be cops.
Post by: Phazuka on April 17, 2020, 09:51:52 AM
Sounds like a good way to get an MP5.Eh, I support the thin blue line bruh!
Wink Wink.
Remember cops aren't human, if they were
they wouldn't be cops.
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Post by: QUIETShooter on April 27, 2020, 02:32:09 PM
Starting Monday, April 13th, you can make an appointment online for firearm permits. Check the HPD website.
I made an appointment today. All I want to do is re-new my long gun permit to acquire. I didn't see any place to click for re-newal of permit so I just clicked on 3 guns or less (appointment 10 minutes or less)
Hope I did it right, lol!!
Post by: Influence on April 27, 2020, 07:00:54 PM
Made an appointment today for June 4, 18, and 22nd to renew my long gun permit as well as if I feel I want to purchase another handgun by then.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 27, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
If someone brings in or purchases a rifle from a lgs, is the lgs currently holding them as the earliest appointments are now in June?
Made an appointment today for June 4, 18, and 22nd to renew my long gun permit as well as if I feel I want to purchase another handgun by then.
If you need a permit, the retailers will hold the gun until you can pick it up with the permit.
They're used to holding some purchases almost indefinitely.
If you already have your permit and have picked up the long gun, it's up to HPD to allow you to register within 5 days. Nothing in the law says you have to delay purchases to accommodate the state's arbitrary gun registration time limits.
The permit to ACQUIRE lets you receive the firearm from the seller. Registration is a formality now if the police can't do reservations within 5 days.
Post by: Influence on April 27, 2020, 10:40:54 PM
If you need a permit, the retailers will hold the gun until you can pick it up with the permit.
They're used to holding some purchases almost indefinitely.
If you already have your permit and have picked up the long gun, it's up to HPD to allow you to register within 5 days. Nothing in the law says you have to delay purchases to accommodate the state's arbitrary gun registration time limits.
The permit to ACQUIRE lets you receive the firearm from the seller. Registration is a formality now if the police can't do reservations within 5 days.
Gotcha, thanks!
Post by: Phazuka on April 27, 2020, 10:44:27 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 27, 2020, 11:38:38 PM
How does HPD know what guns you've acquired?
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The seller has to submit paperwork to HPD on the sale.
Plus, if you have a permit to acquire a handgun, they will obviously expect you to pickup the handgun before the permit expires.
A permit is only valid for ten days after it's issued, in other words 10 days from the date it was ready for pickup following the 2 week wait.
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...no permit shall be issued to an applicant earlier than fourteen calendar days after the date of the application;
provided that a permit shall be issued or the application denied before the twentieth day from the date of application.
Permits issued to acquire any pistol or revolver shall be void unless used within ten days after the date of issue.
Permits to acquire a pistol or revolver shall require a separate application and permit for each transaction. Permits
issued to acquire any rifle or shotgun shall entitle the permittee to make subsequent purchases of rifles or shotguns
for a period of one year from the date of issue without a separate application and permit for each acquisition, subject t
o the disqualifications under section 134-7 and subject to revocation under section 134-13; provided that if a permittee is
arrested for committing a felony or any crime of violence or for the illegal sale of any drug, the permit shall be impounded
and shall be surrendered to the issuing authority.
Post by: nahp01 on April 28, 2020, 05:35:31 PM
Post by: dogman on April 28, 2020, 06:15:20 PM
Shot in the dark, but does anyone have 3 appts set up for handgun permit to acquire/permit pickup, and registration in mid May, that might want to swap for my three appointments first week of May? I'm ordering a pistol online, but won't make it in time for appt, and would rather not have to schedule till mid June. ThanksIf you are purchasing from a reliable source and can get the serial number, you can apply for the permit to acquire.
Post by: aieahound on April 28, 2020, 07:14:52 PM
If you are purchasing from a reliable source and can get the serial number, you can apply for the permit to acquire.
Yup. Serial Number, make, model, barrel length and caliber.
Make an appointment to register when you pick up the firearm.
Permit only good for so many days though after you pick it up if I’m not mistaken.
I think you need to pick up the firearm within 10 days of the date the permit is issued/picked up.
Should have 14 to 19 days between application and pick up of the permit.
Post by: nahp01 on April 28, 2020, 07:23:43 PM
If you are purchasing from a reliable source and can get the serial number, you can apply for the permit to acquire.
Hmm that’s what I was thinking, but my FFL said that I can’t do anything until he gets possession of the gun. I’ll double check with site tomorrow, if so. Maybe it was a miscommunication.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 28, 2020, 08:09:59 PM
Hmm that’s what I was thinking, but my FFL said that I can’t do anything until he gets possession of the gun. I’ll double check with site tomorrow, if so. Maybe it was a miscommunication.
I was told by my FFL that HPD won't accept a permit application from the buyer until the FFL sends HPD the transfer forms. And the FFL can't send the forms until they receive the firearm.
The FFL is the "owner" as far as state law is concerned, and the FFL can't become the owner until they receive the firearm. It's at that point the FFL can transfer it to the buyer.
It's a process. Of course a private sale is different. Most sellers will either give you the existing registration number to give to HPD or at least a bill of sale with all the required info.
Post by: stangzilla on May 01, 2020, 03:32:31 PM
HPD saying this process could become permanent
Post by: mrgaf on May 01, 2020, 06:20:09 PM
next opening is june 15th
HPD saying this process could become permanent
You must remember most of the clowns at firearms are either flunkies or misfits on admin duty. My nephew is a cop and told me that a a while back. Could happen but if it does we need to take them to court and hopefully we will.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 01, 2020, 07:39:00 PM
next opening is june 15th
HPD saying this process could become permanent
The laws will have to change, or else all these time limits for transferring and registering firearms will be out the window.,
Imagine an out -of-state visitor arriving at HPD to register without knowing they had to make an appointment 3 weeks prior.
Would the firearm be temporarily placed in the police locker until the owner leaves? (Hunting vacation: ruined)
Will HPD accommodate visitor walk-ins?
Would any of that even matter when it comes to gun-related crimes?
Inquiring minds ....
Post by: 6716J on May 02, 2020, 04:13:25 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 03, 2020, 01:41:43 PM
The situation HPD is placing themselves in is, once the state of emergency is over, they either have to rewrite the laws, or they have to start making all appointments within the legal time limits per the existing statutes. They can't just decide that they can ignore the laws. The time limits exist to make sure both the public and the state get what the legislature intended. HPD gets to mandate registrations within a certain timeframe, and buyers get a work-week to bring the firearm in for registering.
If HPD puts this system in place after the emergency, it would have to provide the ability for buyers to meet the mandated 5-day registration deadline. If they can't do that, then the flawed system creates a problem for everyone registering guns, especially visitors.
If they want to have us make appointments for permits, why not use that online system to apply for a permit? ID verification can be done at time of pickup (which they do anyway). Fingerprinting can still be done using appointments when required.
If manpower is the reason they can't handle the lines, then using technology to reduce the manpower requirement makes sense.
Post by: stangzilla on May 04, 2020, 07:18:11 AM
Post by: stangzilla on May 04, 2020, 07:55:10 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 04, 2020, 12:48:06 PM
permit to acquire is out 6 weeks, but to register they have opening tomorrow
What's to stop them from adding a little "padding" to the permit application appointment? It would be akin to making the 2 week wait 2 months -- or however long the reservation system makes us wait.
How would we know if that's happening or not?
Of course registration appointments will be available now if permits are not being processed. Ask yourself, if there are registration slots open, why can't those officers be processing permits instead?
Post by: Eric808 on May 04, 2020, 05:28:54 PM
There was also a guy picking up his permit, but did not have a registration reservation. A lady went in the back and was able to get him a reservation for tomorrow. Lucky guy,
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 04, 2020, 06:52:57 PM
:crazy:
Post by: OahuRob on May 05, 2020, 10:00:46 AM
No guarantees that an online swap-over will work, but we can try to synch up my online cancellation with your online registration.
If I don't hear from anyone by 6pm, I'll go ahead and cancel it.
Post by: nahp01 on May 05, 2020, 10:32:35 AM
Post by: jomama on May 05, 2020, 11:19:05 AM
Post by: OahuRob on May 05, 2020, 12:18:37 PM
I was in last week and was told that an appointment was not needed to pick up a permit, only to apply and register.
That's correct - during your application appointment, they'll make the pickup appointment (14 days later) for you before you leave.
Post by: stangzilla on May 05, 2020, 12:24:02 PM
when I went down there they asked if I had an appt to pick up, and yes I did.
better to make an appt. they could change the rules 5 minutes from now
Post by: Fabtek94 on May 05, 2020, 03:15:43 PM
Quoted, verbatim, on HPD's website
I though I saw a post that someone did this.
Anyone successfully went this route?
Mahalo :shaka:
Post by: jomama on May 06, 2020, 09:54:21 PM
Post by: zippz on May 08, 2020, 10:03:48 AM
Post by: Phazuka on May 12, 2020, 03:13:53 PM
Then I wait 2 weeks, and pick up the permits to acquire at the scheduled time then pick up the handguns. Then, back to HPD at their scheduled time to register?
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Post by: Tacozfail on May 12, 2020, 04:24:26 PM
What do I bring for the first permit to acquire 2 handguns under the new appt system from 2 different FFLS? Do I need the receipts or copies of them? My appointment is for 2:50pm tomorrow.
Then I wait 2 weeks, and pick up the permits to acquire at the scheduled time then pick up the handguns. Then, back to HPD at their scheduled time to register?
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This is from the HPD site.
Valid photo identification.
Permit to acquire application. You will need the Make, Model, Caliber, Type/Revolver/Semiautomatic etc, Barrel Length, and Serial Number. (Handguns only)
Name, address, and telephone number of the seller.
Mental Health Waiver
Medical Information Waiver
Firearms Application/Questionnaire
Original Hunters Education card or an original Handgun Safety Training Course Affidavit. (Handguns only)
Original documentation of proof of U.S citizenship if born outside the United States. (U.S. Passport, Naturalization Certificate, Born Abroad Birth Certificate)
You will also have to pay for the background check Fee (All permit applicants, firearms registration, out of state applicants, and law enforcement officers with personal firearms will be assessed a $43.25 one time fee. Cash / exact change or Credit Card.
There is a 14 day waiting period on all permits. After the 14-day waiting period, the permit will be valid for only 6 calendar days. Permits not picked up by the 6th day will be voided. Applicants will need to reapply and go through another 14-day waiting period, so please plan accordingly.
I am hoping that you booked your registration appointment already. Normally you would pick up your permit, then go pick up your handgun, then come back within 5 days of picking up the gun to register it. When you register it, you would bring the firearm and your permit. They check it and have you sign the permit to acquire, then issue you the registration form.
Hope that makes sense.
Post by: stangzilla on May 12, 2020, 05:33:40 PM
What do I bring for the first permit to acquire 2 handguns under the new appt system from 2 different FFLS? Do I need the receipts or copies of them? My appointment is for 2:50pm tomorrow.
Then I wait 2 weeks, and pick up the permits to acquire at the scheduled time then pick up the handguns. Then, back to HPD at their scheduled time to register?
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http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain
download 4 different forms from their website and fill them out before you go. will save some time when you get there.
Post by: Phazuka on May 12, 2020, 07:01:15 PM
This is from the HPD site.It's crazy, my driver's license expires on the day after, May 14th, then I have to renew my license next week. I'm going thru b. Hamazaki and x-ring securities.
Valid photo identification.
Permit to acquire application. You will need the Make, Model, Caliber, Type/Revolver/Semiautomatic etc, Barrel Length, and Serial Number. (Handguns only)
Name, address, and telephone number of the seller.
Mental Health Waiver
Medical Information Waiver
Firearms Application/Questionnaire
Original Hunters Education card or an original Handgun Safety Training Course Affidavit. (Handguns only)
Original documentation of proof of U.S citizenship if born outside the United States. (U.S. Passport, Naturalization Certificate, Born Abroad Birth Certificate)
You will also have to pay for the background check Fee (All permit applicants, firearms registration, out of state applicants, and law enforcement officers with personal firearms will be assessed a $43.25 one time fee. Cash / exact change or Credit Card.
There is a 14 day waiting period on all permits. After the 14-day waiting period, the permit will be valid for only 6 calendar days. Permits not picked up by the 6th day will be voided. Applicants will need to reapply and go through another 14-day waiting period, so please plan accordingly.
I am hoping that you booked your registration appointment already. Normally you would pick up your permit, then go pick up your handgun, then come back within 5 days of picking up the gun to register it. When you register it, you would bring the firearm and your permit. They check it and have you sign the permit to acquire, then issue you the registration form.
Hope that makes sense.
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Post by: stangzilla on May 15, 2020, 01:15:31 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 15, 2020, 05:33:46 PM
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Post by: stangzilla on May 15, 2020, 06:23:04 PM
Read iges 7th proc. Section about firearm reg and the 5 days.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 15, 2020, 08:20:21 PM
You know what page it's on? That thing is 75 pages long
Quote
Sections 134-3(a) and (b), HRS, registration, mandatory, exceptions, to
the extent necessary such that the chiefs of police of the counties, in their sole
discretion, may suspend the deadline whereby a person must register a firearm
within five days after arrival in the State of the person or firearm, whichever
arrives later, and the deadline whereby a person acquiring a firearm pursuant to
section 134-2, HRS, must register the firearm within five days of acquisition.
SEVENTH* SUPPLEMENTARY PROCLAMATION
RELATED TO THE COVID-19 EMERGENCY
pg 18 of 34
*Also in the 6th supplement
https://governor.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2005024-ATG_Seventh-Supplementary-Proclamation-for-COVID-19-distribution-signed-1.pdf
Post by: zippz on May 15, 2020, 08:56:40 PM
Post by: stangzilla on May 15, 2020, 11:48:01 PM
SEVENTH* SUPPLEMENTARY PROCLAMATIONThanks :shaka:
RELATED TO THE COVID-19 EMERGENCY
pg 18 of 34
*Also in the 6th supplement
https://governor.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/2005024-ATG_Seventh-Supplementary-Proclamation-for-COVID-19-distribution-signed-1.pdf
Post by: spz1 on May 16, 2020, 12:14:53 PM
I skimmed this thread and saw it should schedule you for 3 appointments. Made the first appointment and was only confirmed for 1 appointment so I manually added the other two, 2 weeks later (1 for permit pickup and 1 to register). Anyone go through all this yet?
Post by: 19pontiac79 on May 16, 2020, 12:33:28 PM
8 weeks now for handgun permit application appointment.
I skimmed this thread and saw it should schedule you for 3 appointments. Made the first appointment and was only confirmed for 1 appointment so I manually added the other two, 2 weeks later (1 for permit pickup and 1 to register). Anyone go through all this yet?
My cousin scheduled his first to aquire and then he called the firearms dept about the pick up they said no need appt you pick up your permit between said date (2 weeks later) on the reg side but at the traffic records window not the firearms room. So he scheduled the reg appointment accordingly.
First thing I asked him was "did you get anybody's name"
Cousin:"no"
Me: long "you dumb ass" silent stare
Cousin: "shit"
Lol see what happens. He picks up the permit next week hopefully (no appointment) and he scheduled the reg same day.
I'll quote myself and update here when he tells me how it goes :shaka:
Post by: stangzilla on May 16, 2020, 01:47:08 PM
When I went to pick up they asked if I had an appt
It depends who you ask down there, each officer has their own laws
Post by: BraddahJay on May 16, 2020, 07:20:46 PM
Post by: nahp01 on May 17, 2020, 10:12:19 AM
Post by: Kaikzilla on May 18, 2020, 09:14:46 PM
Post by: dogman on May 18, 2020, 09:26:54 PM
http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain
download 4 different forms from their website and fill them out before you go. will save some time when you get there.
Post by: Kaikzilla on May 18, 2020, 09:42:18 PM
Got it. Do I need to make an appt also or can I just go down with the forms?
Post by: stangzilla on May 19, 2020, 05:12:54 AM
Got it. Do I need to make an appt also or can I just go down with the forms?
You need appt to apply for permit to acquire and need appt to register. You may not need appt to pick up permit to acquire.
Post by: jomama on May 20, 2020, 12:50:47 PM
Post by: Craig B on May 26, 2020, 06:43:52 AM
Permit to Acquire Firearms - 3 guns or less. Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:50pm (10 minutes)
Craig B
Post by: 19pontiac79 on May 26, 2020, 09:31:29 AM
I am about to cancel the following appointment for tomorrow afternoon. If you have a need please feel free:
Permit to Acquire Firearms - 3 guns or less. Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:50pm (10 minutes)
Craig B
Curious. Has anybody seen their cancelled time pop back up on the available times list?
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 26, 2020, 10:40:49 AM
Curious. Has anybody seen their cancelled time pop back up on the available times list?
You're expecting too much from HPD.
Post by: Craig B on May 26, 2020, 11:11:04 AM
Curious. Has anybody seen their cancelled time pop back up on the available times list?
Good question. I shoulda checked...
Craig B
Post by: Phazuka on May 27, 2020, 07:50:34 AM
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Post by: stangzilla on May 27, 2020, 08:24:49 AM
Hey guys, my pistol permit to acquire is ready to pick up today. What is everyone doing for registration? Will the permit team help schedule a registration date?
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you have to make an appt online for registration
Post by: Phazuka on May 27, 2020, 11:01:52 PM
you have to make an appt online for registrationWhat is the URL again for registration? I wish the OP could be updated with info and links.
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Post by: 19pontiac79 on May 27, 2020, 11:22:43 PM
What is the URL again for registration? I wish the OP could be updated with info and links.
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http://honolulupd.org/
Big blue banner in the middle of the page :shaka:
Post by: ethanhunter34 on May 28, 2020, 06:21:58 PM
Post by: nahp01 on May 28, 2020, 06:26:59 PM
After you go down and acquire for your handguns permit I know you will have to wait 14days before you pick up the permit. Will they notify you to pick up the permit? Is it usually around 14days or sometimes longer? My appointment to acquire is July 9th
When you go to apply, they tell you the date range that you
can come back to pickup. It’s 14 days from your appt date, so it’d be the 23.
Post by: ethanhunter34 on May 28, 2020, 07:03:31 PM
Post by: 19pontiac79 on May 28, 2020, 07:08:52 PM
After you go down and acquire for your handguns permit I know you will have to wait 14days before you pick up the permit. Will they notify you to pick up the permit? Is it usually around 14days or sometimes longer? My appointment to acquire is July 9th
I scheduled my registration on the same day I pickup my permit which I think you should do because sometimes the next available reg appointment is not in the allotted time frame. If you wait to schedule reg until you pick up your permit.
Post by: ethanhunter34 on May 28, 2020, 07:23:07 PM
Post by: blastoff747 on May 29, 2020, 01:23:01 AM
After you go down and acquire for your handguns permit I know you will have to wait 14days before you pick up the permit. Will they notify you to pick up the permit? Is it usually around 14days or sometimes longer? My appointment to acquire is July 9th
They won't notify you. You can pickup your permit after the 14 day waiting period. You have 7 days to pick it up.
After you hand them your permit application, they will point out the dates for permit pickup.
A few tips:
1. take a pic of the dates
2. set reminders in your phone calendar
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 29, 2020, 02:12:43 PM
They won't notify you. You can pickup your permit after the 14 day waiting period. You have 7 days to pick it up.
After you hand them your permit application, they will point out the dates for permit pickup.
A few tips:
1. take a pic of the dates
2. set reminders in your phone calendar
If they do notify you, it's probably because the permit was denied.
No news is good news ....
Post by: blastoff747 on May 30, 2020, 12:48:06 AM
If they do notify you, it's probably because the permit was denied.
No news is good news ....
Forgot to add. They notified me once when the doctor I put on the permit retired.
Post by: Specter01 on May 30, 2020, 12:31:06 PM
If yes, I have a Jun 5 appointment up for grabs.
Post by: Lysol on June 01, 2020, 04:12:29 PM
Post by: ethanhunter34 on June 01, 2020, 04:26:54 PM
Post by: Rhed on June 05, 2020, 04:26:58 PM
Post by: stangzilla on June 14, 2020, 09:49:45 AM
Post by: 6716J on June 15, 2020, 08:49:53 AM
Appointments now out to 9 weeks
HOW THE F@&K IS THIS NOT A COMPLETE INFRINGEMENT?!? 9 weeks just to get an "Apply for Permit" appointment? So 11 weeks until you can pick it up so the earliest you can get a firearm is September 3rd as of today! This is complete BS! >:( :grrr: :wtf:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 15, 2020, 12:34:17 PM
HOW THE F@&K IS THIS NOT A COMPLETE INFRINGEMENT?!? 9 weeks just to get an "Apply for Permit" appointment? So 11 weeks until you can pick it up so the earliest you can get a firearm is September 3rd as of today! This is complete BS! >:( :grrr: :wtf:
How many of these appointments are no-shows? Could be the anti-gun nuts reserving spots to interfere.
Post by: jc2721 on June 15, 2020, 12:47:26 PM
How many of these appointments are no-shows? Could be the anti-gun nuts reserving spots to interfere.Maybe its B@ll@rd, Sh##h@n and L#v$n tying up all the appointments--they're antis after all. A huge anti-gun conspiracy to deprive us of our rights! Black Guns Matter! O0
Post by: drck1000 on June 16, 2020, 09:06:23 AM
Post by: 6716J on June 16, 2020, 02:35:42 PM
As far as I know, the statutes haven't changed and should someone bring in an out of state firearm, HPD is making them a criminal by HPD action. Also if your permit application is ~10 weeks out, do people still want to buy a gun? How many are disheartened by the wait and just quit? Seems like lots of people want to be 1st time buyers but can't because of the delay. I'm just rambling and I know it, but what can be done to fix this? Thanks Zippz for his lawsuit to change some of this.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 16, 2020, 02:50:20 PM
IS
A RIGHT DENIED
Post by: nahp01 on June 20, 2020, 01:25:33 PM
Post by: Craig B on June 20, 2020, 03:50:47 PM
There is currently, right now, an appointment for Monday, June 22 @ 9:50am to register 3 or less firearms.
Craig B
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 20, 2020, 03:55:22 PM
There is currently, right now, an appointment for Monday, June 22 @ 9:50am to register 3 or less firearms.
Craig B
Isn't that a Hawaiian holiday (Grandparents' Day)?
JuneTwo-Two
Post by: 6716J on June 22, 2020, 09:36:48 AM
Registration and permit to acquire dates now into September. Holy shit.
11 weeks to apply then 2 week wait!?!?!? That is completely unacceptable! By delaying a right by an unreasonable time frame they are denying your right.
Post by: ethanhunter34 on June 23, 2020, 09:57:30 AM
Post by: jc2721 on June 23, 2020, 10:16:41 AM
When I picked up my PTA this morning the officer told me that applications are now scheduled well into September. I've got appointments set up for mid-late August but no gun(s) purchased yet. I have to wonder how much of the delay is due to such appointments.
Post by: stangzilla on June 23, 2020, 10:20:58 AM
When you pick up your permit and go down to pick up your pistol that same day do you have to register it that day or as long it’s within the 6 or 7 days?
http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain
handgun permit is good for 10 days after the date of issue
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 23, 2020, 11:14:28 AM
http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain
handgun permit is good for 10 days after the date of issue
The law says you have to pick up the weapon before the permit expires -- 10 days after it's ready for pickup, as you said.
However, once you get the weapon in hand, it starts the registration clock. You are supposed to register within 5 calendar days from that point. It doesn't have to be registered that day, but within the 5 days allowed. That's counting weekends and holidays, too, so plan accordingly.
Two different dates involved.
There's a discrepancy between the days printed on the permit for the registration period and what's in the law. I believe the permit says 48 hours, but don't quote me. Pick whichever deadline suits you. HPD normally doesn't do anything besides give you call if you don't make it back within 5 days.
Post by: mrgaf on June 23, 2020, 02:19:47 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 23, 2020, 02:32:24 PM
So for arguments sake if I applied and picked up my handgun permit to acquire, go to my FFL, pick up my handgun and have an appointment to register it in late August, then what? :-\
Print out your appointment info and keep it where you normally keep your registrations. :geekdanc:
What are they going to do? Arrest you? I'd love to see a hundred people show up at court all having to face charges of possessing an unregistered firearm -- and every one of them just waiting until their appointment date.
Post by: rpoL98 on June 23, 2020, 09:58:27 PM
Post by: Heavies on June 23, 2020, 10:01:16 PM
Post by: mrgaf on June 24, 2020, 11:06:03 AM
Print out your appointment info and keep it where you normally keep your registrations. :geekdanc:
What are they going to do? Arrest you? I'd love to see a hundred people show up at court all having to face charges of possessing an unregistered firearm -- and every one of them just waiting until their appointment date.
That would be a real circus! Yup that’s what I figured but didn’t want to call firearms asking questions. ..... Got a SIG P320C coming in and my appointment to apply is mid July (made it awhile back) and another to register Last week of September.. ;)
Post by: Craig B on June 28, 2020, 08:23:02 AM
What Firearm Registration 3 or less - Locally Purchased/Acquired
(APPOINTMENTS: Firearm Registration (Firearms in possession))
When Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:50pm (10 minutes)
I check the appointment schedule immediately after and it did show up as available.
Craig B
Post by: 6716J on June 29, 2020, 07:35:21 AM
I just cancelled my appointment to register:
What Firearm Registration 3 or less - Locally Purchased/Acquired
(APPOINTMENTS: Firearm Registration (Firearms in possession))
When Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:50pm (10 minutes)
I check the appointment schedule immediately after and it did show up as available.
Craig B
Gone now... Now it's Sept 23. 13 weeks away. WTF is this shit. I really have to wonder are the FUDDS just taking the appointments to keep us from getting them? At this point why bother if you cant even pick up your permit until OCTOBER!!!!!
Post by: 19pontiac79 on June 29, 2020, 03:57:10 PM
As of mon 29 4p.m
:shaka:
Post by: 19pontiac79 on June 29, 2020, 04:06:26 PM
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Post by: QUIETShooter on June 30, 2020, 06:13:04 AM
Was wondering if there are additional places nearby that I can park? Is there parking in the stations parking garage for public use?
Where do you guys park when picking up permits and registering?
Mahalo!!
Post by: stangzilla on June 30, 2020, 07:01:37 AM
Was cruising the permit side and found that they have no times available at all? Went two years down the line. Wonder if they getting rid of it? Or we banned :wtf: >:D >:D
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maybe going back to pre-covid status
Post by: quint38 on June 30, 2020, 07:06:27 AM
Post by: stangzilla on June 30, 2020, 07:20:49 AM
otherwise my 1911 is just sitting there doing nothing. probably getting lonely
Post by: 19pontiac79 on June 30, 2020, 07:31:03 AM
I have an appointment on July 10th. at 9am. I know there is parking in the underground parking structure and there are a couple of metered stalls right in front of the police station.
Was wondering if there are additional places nearby that I can park? Is there parking in the stations parking garage for public use?
Where do you guys park when picking up permits and registering?
Mahalo!!
I usually park in the parking garage that is located past the p.d on the left. Where the elementary school is. It's metered parking.
Post by: stangzilla on June 30, 2020, 09:01:36 AM
I have an appointment on July 10th. at 9am. I know there is parking in the underground parking structure and there are a couple of metered stalls right in front of the police station.
Was wondering if there are additional places nearby that I can park? Is there parking in the stations parking garage for public use?
Where do you guys park when picking up permits and registering?
Mahalo!!
nowadays with the online scheduling, its not crowded at hpd. parking lot can usually find parking. or on beretania in front or near ward
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 30, 2020, 11:25:33 AM
I have an appointment on July 10th. at 9am. I know there is parking in the underground parking structure and there are a couple of metered stalls right in front of the police station.
Was wondering if there are additional places nearby that I can park? Is there parking in the stations parking garage for public use?
Where do you guys park when picking up permits and registering?
Mahalo!!
My preferences:
#1 - On-Street parking in front of the station. Need change for meters. Closest to the front entrance. Have to mind the Rush Hour restrictions or get ticketed/towed.
#2 - On-Street parking on Hale-Makai, left side of building facing the front. Need change for meter.
#3 - HPD underground garage -- entrance is behind station. A few stalls are reserved for visitors and take cash or credit.
#4 - Civic Center Municipal Parking -- right side of building facing front, across Alapai St. Furthest walk, but never a problem finding a stall. Cash or credit.
Post by: stangzilla on June 30, 2020, 12:52:55 PM
so the online appt system is still in place
if you didn't get appt yet, then you're out of luck
considering this f'd up process, and since I already have an appt in about 2 months, I need to look for more guns to buy in the mean time bc i'm not wasting my time registering only 1 gun
Post by: Inspector on June 30, 2020, 01:20:10 PM
...I need to look for more guns to buy in the mean time bc i'm not wasting my time registering only 1 gunI’m buying stock in Ruger tomorrow!!! :thumbsup:
Post by: Bota-CS1 on June 30, 2020, 01:55:10 PM
I just called HPD firearms, spoke with Suzy. she said the appts are full up to 3 months out and that's the limit that they can make appts online. that's why cannot make appts right now
so the online appt system is still in place
if you didn't get appt yet, then you're out of luck
considering this f'd up process, and since I already have an appt in about 2 months, I need to look for more guns to buy in the mean time bc i'm not wasting my time registering only 1 gun
🧐🤔 How many think it’s time to contact the Mayor and let him know this can’t continue?
Post by: Specter01 on June 30, 2020, 02:00:03 PM
🧐🤔 How many think it’s time to contact the Mayor and let him know this can’t continue?
He's not going to care. This helps delay things by a lot. There's a huge firearm demand right now, and the Blues don't want people to have them in the first place. They settle with slowing it down--in this case, dramatically.
Post by: QUIETShooter on June 30, 2020, 02:40:38 PM
Post by: 19pontiac79 on June 30, 2020, 03:18:27 PM
I just called HPD firearms, spoke with Suzy. she said the appts are full up to 3 months out and that's the limit that they can make appts online. that's why cannot make appts right now
so the online appt system is still in place
if you didn't get appt yet, then you're out of luck
considering this f'd up process, and since I already have an appt in about 2 months, I need to look for more guns to buy in the mean time bc i'm not wasting my time registering only 1 gun
I doing the same, three pistols one crack this week🤙🏽and sent out my hi power to get customized so no need register that one. Then I'm done for a while. :thumbsup:
Post by: drck1000 on June 30, 2020, 03:27:59 PM
Post by: poke on June 30, 2020, 04:10:28 PM
Post by: stangzilla on June 30, 2020, 04:26:22 PM
I’m buying stock in Ruger tomorrow!!! :thumbsup:
maybe S&W. who knows. I could be swayed by the dark side...……. >:D
i did see another performance center revolver at a shop that i liked
Post by: 6716J on June 30, 2020, 04:51:50 PM
Does anyone know if HPD allows piggy backing on permit appointments? I have an apt tomorrow and a family member of mine would like to obtain a permit too
I'd say go anyways. Have all the paperwork done and ready.
Post by: 6716J on June 30, 2020, 04:57:27 PM
Post by: 19pontiac79 on June 30, 2020, 05:21:34 PM
I guess I'm not getting a PCC any time soon. . . :(
Ya bro. I was scrambling to find a third pistol for the 3 or less permit this Thursday to make the process worth it. Found one couple days ago :thumbsup: so I got
Ppq 4" steel
Ria 1911 22lr
S&w model 19
So I'm done for a while after this. The hoop jumping making me feel like a faking seal at sealife park.
And I have to save for payment on my hi power that I sent out to get customized. Thankfully that can be mailed back directly to me no hoops. So if I no bachi myself, in three weeks it's pew pew time
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 30, 2020, 06:51:32 PM
So hows this working for people with expiring LG permits? Can't get an appointment for 3 months but your permit expires in 3 weeks and want to go buy something. So now based on this, HPD is affecting commerce. How does this work? Much like the Texas case (Mance v Holder), different premise but same outcome, can they be sued for not allowing transactions to occur? The LGS looses sales because HPD not issuing permits for 3+ months?
Great point.
Current policy is to not allow renewal applications more than 2 weeks before the permit expires. Start looking for available appointments that fall within 2 weeks before the expiration.
Long Gun Permit expires Oct 31. Can apply after Oct 16. If appointments are closed up to 3 months out, start looking around July 15 for appointments within that window.
Nothing stops you from making a purchase the day the permit expires.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on June 30, 2020, 09:42:49 PM
He's not going to care. This helps delay things by a lot. There's a huge firearm demand right now, and the Blues don't want people to have them in the first place. They settle with slowing it down--in this case, dramatically.
I don’t need or want him to care. I want him to act like any other politician when pressure is applied. I mean to rock the boat a bit by emailing and calling him. HiFiCo settled with their lawsuit but Inguarantee you they’ll drag their feet unless we make our voices heard.
Post by: Inspector on July 01, 2020, 02:20:10 AM
maybe S&W. who knows. I could be swayed by the dark side...……. >:DOh no! Say it isn’t so! Don’t let yourself go to the dark side!!! :rofl:
i did see another performance center revolver at a shop that i liked
I have been spending all of my available funds on reloading supplies. I’m afraid to look at what Ruger and S&W are offering right now cuz I’d be afraid to go into debt if I fell in love with something. :rofl:
Post by: mrgaf on July 01, 2020, 06:48:16 AM
Post by: stangzilla on July 01, 2020, 06:57:53 AM
Just tried to get an appointment to renew my long gun permit (acquire 3 guns or less) for December 3 and nothing is available for over a year! Matter of fact I went all the way into October 2021 and nada! :wtf:
from what firearms division told me on the phone, their website is only capable of scheduling out to 3 months and they're all full out to 3 months so nothing past that will even show up on the website
best thing to do is keep checking and see if any cancels.
if this is the case, they need to open registration at other locations, or let the LGS do the registration since its basically verifying that the numbers match, barrel length, etc.
or better yet, no need. but we all that wont happen anytime soon
Post by: mrgaf on July 01, 2020, 07:11:10 AM
from what firearms division told me on the phone, their website is only capable of scheduling out to 3 months and they're all full out to 3 months so nothing past that will even show up on the website
best thing to do is keep checking and see if any cancels.
if this is the case, they need to open registration at other locations, or let the LGS do the registration since its basically verifying that the numbers match, barrel length, etc.
or better yet, no need. but we all that wont happen anytime soon
Ok that explains it...like your ideas but as we both know they will do nothing that makes sense except defunding the firearms branch :D
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 01, 2020, 12:18:19 PM
Ok that explains it...like your ideas but as we both know they will do nothing that makes sense except defunding the firearms branch :D
Your next headache will be when a reservation is canceled, you are able to take it, and on that day HPD refuses to process your renewal application because it's sooner than their 2-weeks-before-permit-expiration-date policy for long gun permit renewals.
If you can't get a renewal reservation 2 weeks prior to expiration, your permit is going to lapse days, weeks or months before you can find an appoint. And THEN you still have to wait 2 weeks before picking it up!!
Post by: frankwilhelm7 on July 01, 2020, 02:45:03 PM
Post by: theJanitor on July 02, 2020, 10:03:29 AM
Post by: nahp01 on July 02, 2020, 10:44:10 AM
has anyone gave their slot to someone else, in person? My brother can't get a slot, and I have one for Sep2 that I'd like to give him. Think we can go in together and swap spots?
I think the easiest would be to have you cancel the appointment online, and have him next to you to refreshing the site. The few times that I’ve cancelled, the appointment time was immediately available on the site.
Post by: Specter01 on July 02, 2020, 11:06:25 AM
I don’t need or want him to care. I want him to act like any other politician when pressure is applied. I mean to rock the boat a bit by emailing and calling him. HiFiCo settled with their lawsuit but Inguarantee you they’ll drag their feet unless we make our voices heard.
Yeah, he'll act through pressure--just not pressure from us. The problem is he'll get catch more crap from his real constituents than us, the 2A people.
I think you already know this.
Post by: theJanitor on July 02, 2020, 01:04:24 PM
I think the easiest would be to have you cancel the appointment online, and have him next to you to refreshing the site. The few times that I’ve cancelled, the appointment time was immediately available on the site.
I just didn't want to lose it to someone else, who's on the website, and getting my spot before my brother
Post by: Heavies on July 02, 2020, 07:31:19 PM
Yeah, he'll act through pressure--just not pressure from us. The problem is he'll get catch more crap from his real constituents than us, the 2A people.
I think you already know this.
It might work. The range scrapped their online reservation system. I emailed every council member, Caldwell, and Ige (even though he is state not city) ever day for a month.
Post by: stangzilla on July 07, 2020, 08:10:25 AM
I saw an opening October 5th. that's 88 days from now, just under the 90 day limit. then I clicked back a page just to check it, nothing there so I click back to the October date, and now its gone. wow, you gotta be fast bc that wasn't even 3 seconds and it was gone.
good thing my appt is sooner than that so I didn't need it
we are appointment vultures. >:D
Post by: Linohawaii on July 07, 2020, 08:35:17 AM
doing my periodic check for cancellations to see if I can move my appt date up from late august
I saw an opening October 5th. that's 88 days from now, just under the 90 day limit. then I clicked back a page just to check it, nothing there so I click back to the October date, and now its gone. wow, you gotta be fast bc that wasn't even 3 seconds and it was gone.
good thing my appt is sooner than that so I didn't need it
we are appointment vultures. >:D
Trying to do the same thing with no luck, I have a mid September appointment to acquire a pistol permit and 15 days later registration appointment. Let me see If I got this right, there is an average as I recall (correct me if i'm wrong) about 15-20 appointments per day. Now you have a category for 3 guns or less, 4 guns or more and Joint (married couples). If HPD will only publish an appointment schedule for up to three months, therefore there are 60 working days from now until the end of September (approx.) So 15 appointments multiplied by 60 working days equals 900 appointments already made then multiply that in the three categories you can get appointment for and that equals a whopping 2,700 appointments already made until the end of September (approx.). That is a lot of guns sold in the past few months.
Waiver; Not based on factual numbers.
Post by: raudi on July 07, 2020, 08:41:31 AM
Post by: Bota-CS1 on July 07, 2020, 09:52:45 AM
Just clicked ahead almost a year. no appointments available.
I think they only release a few months at a time.
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Post by: the_fenian on July 07, 2020, 11:44:25 AM
Post by: groveler on July 07, 2020, 12:00:49 PM
and buying your gun(s)?
Because of the un-constitutional Quarantine
You can't possibly conform to the law when you get back.
but so what?
You have your gun(s).
Start to think outside the box.
Have a lawyer on speed dial.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 07, 2020, 01:15:43 PM
Have you guys just thought of flying to Idaho going to one of many gunshows,
and buying your gun(s)?
Because of the un-constitutional Quarantine
You can't possibly conform to the law when you get back.
but so what?
You have your gun(s).
Start to think outside the box.
Have a lawyer on speed dial.
According to at least one HPD officer, you can't use your firearm until you register it.
Husband at 2:30am: "Someone's breaking in! Call 911! I'll get the gun!"
Wife: "I called 911. The Cops are on the way!"
Husband: "Stop! Don't come in, or I'll shoot!"
Cop: "Sorry we got here after you had to kill that armed intruder. I just checked with dispatch, and this handgun isn't registered. We'll have to book you for that if nothing else."
Husband: "But ... but ... I have an appointment!"
Post by: Heavies on July 07, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
I would suggest sending an email every day until it is remedied.
Don't even have to write anything new. Just keep sending it everyday.
Got this list from 10/2019
Governor David Ige
https://governor.hawaii.gov/ (https://governor.hawaii.gov/)
808-586-0034
Hawaii State Capitol
Honolulu, HI 96813
Mayor Kirk Caldwell
mayor@honolulu.gov
(808) 768-4141
Fax (808) 768-5552
City Hall Address below:
Honolulu Hale
530 S. King St.
Honolulu, HI 96813
Honolulu City Council Fax: (808) 768-5011
District 1 - Kymberly Marcos Pine
Portions of Ewa Villages and Ewa Beach, Kapolei, Makakilo, Kalaeloa, Honokai Hale, Ko Olina, Nanakuli, Ma'ili, Wai'anae, Makaha, Kea'au, Makua
Phone: (808) 768-5001
E-mail kmpine@honolulu.gov
District 2 – Heidi Tsuneyoshi
Mililani Mauka,Wahiawa, Mokuleia,Waialua, Haleiwa, Pupukea, Sunset Beach, Kahuku, Laie, Hauula, Punaluu, Kahana, Kaaawa, Kualoa, Waiahole,and Kahaluu
Phone: (808) 768-5002
E-mail htsuneyoshi@honolulu.gov
District 3 - Ikaika Anderson
Ahuimanu, Heeia, Haiku, Kaneohe, Maunawili, Kailua, Olomana, Enchanted Lake, and Waimanalo.
Phone: (808) 768-5003
E-mail ianderson@honolulu.gov
District 4 – Tommy Waters
Hawaii Kai, Kuliouou, Niu Valley, Aina Haina, Wailupe, Waialae-Iki, Kalani Valley, Kahala, Wilhemina Rise, Kaimuki, portions of Kapahulu, Diamond Head, Black Point, Waikiki, and Ala Moana Beach Park.
Phone: (808) 768-5004
E-mail tommy.waters@honolulu.gov
District 5 - Ann Kobayashi
Kaimuki, Palolo Valley, St. Louis Heights, Manoa, Moiliili, McCully, and portions of Ala Moana, Kakaako, and Makiki.
Phone: (808) 768-5005
E-mail akobayashi@honolulu.gov
District 6 - Carol Fukunaga
Portions of Makiki, Downtown Honolulu, Punchbowl, Pauoa Valley, Nuuanu, Alewa Heights, Papakolea, Fort Shafter, Moanalua, Halawa, Aiea, Kalihi Valley, and portions of Liliha and Kalihi.
Phone: (808) 768-5006
E-mail cafukunaga@honolulu.gov
District 7 - Joey Manahan
Kalihi, lwilei, Kalihi Kai, Mapunapuna, Salt Lake, Aliamanu, Hickam, Foster Village, Ford Island, and Sand Island.
Phone: (808) 768-5007
E-mail jmanahan@honolulu.gov
District 8 – Brandon Elefante
Pearl City, Pearl City Peninsula, Waimalu, Crestview, Waipio Gentry, portions of Waipahu.
Phone: (808) 768-5008
E-mabelefante@honolulu.gov
District 9 - Ron Menor
Waikele, Village Park, Royal Kunia, Mililani Town, West Loch, Iroquois Point, and portions of Ewa Villages and Ewa Beach.
Phone: (808) 768-5009
E-mail rmenor@honolulu.gov
Post by: Heavies on July 07, 2020, 01:33:10 PM
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Post by: 6716J on July 08, 2020, 01:36:00 PM
Aloha Gov. Ige, Mayor Caldwell, Senators, Representatives, Legislators and Officials
As we all know the COVID-19 pandemic has created numerous issues for all of us living and working in Hawaii. As such, the appointment based process put into place by the Honolulu Police Department, while I am sure well intentioned, has created a Constitutional problem for the citizens in the State, specifically on O’ahu. Currently the citizens of O’ahu are UNABLE to even apply to obtain a permit to acquire a firearm due to no available appointments for the next 3 months or farther based on the results on the HPD Firearms Dept webpage (http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain).This is a deprivation of rights under the color of law. Based on this information, I am asking for the Governor and Mayor to order the Honolulu Police Department to immediately suspend the appointment based system and allow the Hawaii based Federal Firearms Licensees to perform the background checks using the ATF Form 4473 and/or the current HPD forms and contacting the appropriate Authority Having Jurisdiction. Numerous other states with waiting periods have proved that the background check system CAN and DOES work even with a waiting period. California, our closest neighbor in the 9th Circuit imposes a 10 day waiting period on all firearm purchases and all Private Party transfers must be done through a Federal Firearms Licensee. Hawaii FFLs can contact the HPD or other County Police departments or through the States Attorney Generals Office which performs background checks (https://ag.hawaii.gov/hcjdc/criminal-history-records-check/) to perform the background check as is required by State and Federal laws.Hawaii can perform this as well and better than other States, showing the other States we are more than capable and first in upholding the Constitutional Rights of our residents.
By moving the process out to the FFLs, this will free up officer time in the Firearms Permit Unit to address their workload and abilities. Also, in light of the Yukutake et. al. V. Conners suit being settled, this would be a huge positive movement in publicity for the State and HPD in regards to Civil Rights and the upholding of Constitutional Rights of both the State of Hawaii and the United States.
We, as residents of the State of Hawaii and respective Counties, know that you as our elected officials value the oath you have taken to uphold the Constitutional obligations as set forth when you took office. We know that if this was a problem with our abilities to vote, the problem would be addressed immediately. And regardless of views, we now have 100% mail-in voting in Hawaii. Should we not have the same and equal ability to exercise our right to bear arms as the right to vote?Mahalo for your kokua in addressing an issue which is directly affecting the Constitutional rights of the residents of Hawaii.
ʻAʻohe hana nui ke alu ‘ia (No task is too big when done together by all)
Mahalo nui loa
Post by: 6716J on July 08, 2020, 01:40:04 PM
Got this list from 10/2019
Governor David Ige
https://governor.hawaii.gov/
808-586-0034
Hawaii State Capitol
Honolulu, HI 96813
Mayor Kirk Caldwell
mayor@honolulu.gov
(808) 768-4141
Fax (808) 768-5552
City Hall Address below:
Honolulu Hale
530 S. King St.
Honolulu, HI 96813
Honolulu City Council Fax: (808) 768-5011
District 1 - Kymberly Marcos Pine
Portions of Ewa Villages and Ewa Beach, Kapolei, Makakilo, Kalaeloa, Honokai Hale, Ko Olina, Nanakuli, Ma'ili, Wai'anae, Makaha, Kea'au, Makua
Phone: (808) 768-5001
E-mail kmpine@honolulu.gov
District 2 – Heidi Tsuneyoshi
Mililani Mauka,Wahiawa, Mokuleia,Waialua, Haleiwa, Pupukea, Sunset Beach, Kahuku, Laie, Hauula, Punaluu, Kahana, Kaaawa, Kualoa, Waiahole,and Kahaluu
Phone: (808) 768-5002
E-mail htsuneyoshi@honolulu.gov
District 3 - Ikaika Anderson
Ahuimanu, Heeia, Haiku, Kaneohe, Maunawili, Kailua, Olomana, Enchanted Lake, and Waimanalo.
Phone: (808) 768-5003
E-mail ianderson@honolulu.gov
District 4 – Tommy Waters
Hawaii Kai, Kuliouou, Niu Valley, Aina Haina, Wailupe, Waialae-Iki, Kalani Valley, Kahala, Wilhemina Rise, Kaimuki, portions of Kapahulu, Diamond Head, Black Point, Waikiki, and Ala Moana Beach Park.
Phone: (808) 768-5004
E-mail tommy.waters@honolulu.gov
District 5 - Ann Kobayashi
Kaimuki, Palolo Valley, St. Louis Heights, Manoa, Moiliili, McCully, and portions of Ala Moana, Kakaako, and Makiki.
Phone: (808) 768-5005
E-mail akobayashi@honolulu.gov
District 6 - Carol Fukunaga
Portions of Makiki, Downtown Honolulu, Punchbowl, Pauoa Valley, Nuuanu, Alewa Heights, Papakolea, Fort Shafter, Moanalua, Halawa, Aiea, Kalihi Valley, and portions of Liliha and Kalihi.
Phone: (808) 768-5006
E-mail cafukunaga@honolulu.gov
District 7 - Joey Manahan
Kalihi, lwilei, Kalihi Kai, Mapunapuna, Salt Lake, Aliamanu, Hickam, Foster Village, Ford Island, and Sand Island.
Phone: (808) 768-5007
E-mail jmanahan@honolulu.gov
District 8 – Brandon Elefante
Pearl City, Pearl City Peninsula, Waimalu, Crestview, Waipio Gentry, portions of Waipahu.
Phone: (808) 768-5008
E-mabelefante@honolulu.gov
District 9 - Ron Menor
Waikele, Village Park, Royal Kunia, Mililani Town, West Loch, Iroquois Point, and portions of Ewa Villages and Ewa Beach.
Phone: (808) 768-5009
E-mail rmenor@honolulu.gov
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Post by: stangzilla on July 08, 2020, 07:06:54 PM
Oh no! Say it isn’t so! Don’t let yourself go to the dark side!!! :rofl:
I have been spending all of my available funds on reloading supplies. I’m afraid to look at what Ruger and S&W are offering right now cuz I’d be afraid to go into debt if I fell in love with something. :rofl:
I would love to get a Ruger Redhawk 8 shot 357 or in 45LC/acp, I prefer 357 but 45LC/acp would be nice too
Post by: Inspector on July 09, 2020, 03:02:26 AM
I would love to get a Ruger Redhawk 8 shot 357 or in 45LC/acp, I prefer 357 but 45LC/acp would be nice tooMy Ruger Super Redhawk is in 454 Casull. But I only load 45LC in it. Why, you ask? Cuz I can’t take too many rounds of 454 Casull in one sitting. :rofl: I know, I’m a wuss.
But seriously, Sierra’s reloading manual (Available free as an app now!) lists 2 different pressure loadings for the 45LC cartridge. One is low pressure (14kpsi) for use in standard 45LC revolvers like the SAA or some of the Taurus Judge/S&W Governor type revolvers. And then they have high pressure (30kpsi) for specific revolvers which are listed as the Super Blackhawk, Redhawk, Super Redhawk and the BFR Revolvers. This high pressure loading for the 45LC cartridge is in the low range of the 454 Casull cartridge. I have loaded the 45LC Starline cases I have with these high pressure loads and I do not see any signs of the case not being able to take the pressures. The recoil is a little easier on my arthritic hands but is stout enough to remind me not to shoot too many or I am going to be taking some Advil later that night. :shake:
I just ordered some coated hard cast boolits for my Model 25. They are 250gr SWC and powder coated from Acme Bullet Company. They sell them for a great price, combine shipping and come in a cool little custom made wooden box. Cast boolits are still quite available compared to jacketed/plated. I have not tried them yet, but I am going to try these in my low and high pressure 45LC loadings as well as my 45AR cartridges.
I also just ordered their 158gr SWC powdered coated for my 357. These projects are low on my list as I have a lot of higher priority ammo to load first.
Post by: stangzilla on July 09, 2020, 05:10:59 AM
My Ruger Super Redhawk is in 454 Casull. But I only load 45LC in it. Why, you ask? Cuz I can’t take too many rounds of 454 Casull in one sitting. :rofl: I know, I’m a wuss.
But seriously, Sierra’s reloading manual (Available free as an app now!) lists 2 different pressure loadings for the 45LC cartridge. One is low pressure (14kpsi) for use in standard 45LC revolvers like the SAA or some of the Taurus Judge/S&W Governor type revolvers. And then they have high pressure (30kpsi) for specific revolvers which are listed as the Super Blackhawk, Redhawk, Super Redhawk and the BFR Revolvers. This high pressure loading for the 45LC cartridge is in the low range of the 454 Casull cartridge. I have loaded the 45LC Starline cases I have with these high pressure loads and I do not see any signs of the case not being able to take the pressures. The recoil is a little easier on my arthritic hands but is stout enough to remind me not to shoot too many or I am going to be taking some Advil later that night. :shake:
I just ordered some coated hard cast boolits for my Model 25. They are 250gr SWC and powder coated from Acme Bullet Company. They sell them for a great price, combine shipping and come in a cool little custom made wooden box. Cast boolits are still quite available compared to jacketed/plated. I have not tried them yet, but I am going to try these in my low and high pressure 45LC loadings as well as my 45AR cartridges.
I also just ordered their 158gr SWC powdered coated for my 357. These projects are low on my list as I have a lot of higher priority ammo to load first.
I remember shooting your SuperRedhawk once at the revolver day. :thumbsup:
I got a box of 500 rounds 210 grain LRNFP from ACME bullets in .44 (.430 to be exact). I'll use Trail Boss for some easy shooting cowboy loads. I'm lucky bc I bought up a bunch of powder and projectiles when all this Corona started. I also hoarded some ammo. I'm thankful that I'll be good for a while on ammo, but I'm always looking for more. :shaka:
Post by: 6716J on July 10, 2020, 10:59:05 AM
Everyone else doing the same I hope....
Post by: jc2721 on July 10, 2020, 11:16:07 AM
I remember shooting your SuperRedhawk once at the revolver day. :thumbsup:
I got a box of 500 rounds 210 grain LRNFP from ACME bullets in .44 (.430 to be exact). I'll use Trail Boss for some easy shooting cowboy loads. I'm lucky bc I bought up a bunch of powder and projectiles when all this Corona started. I also hoarded some ammo. I'm thankful that I'll be good for a while on ammo, but I'm always looking for more. :shaka:
I got some Acme .38 bullets but they were all chipped and nicked up. I emailed them with this pic, they said it was not normal for their bullets and they're sending a replacement box. Were your .44s in good condition?
(https://i.postimg.cc/DwWN0v3S/20200706_111330.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bZhgFjJP)
Post by: stangzilla on July 10, 2020, 11:30:07 AM
I got some Acme .38 bullets but they were all chipped and nicked up. I emailed them with this pic, they said it was not normal for their bullets and they're sending a replacement box. Were your .44s in good condition?
(https://i.postimg.cc/DwWN0v3S/20200706_111330.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bZhgFjJP)
mine are just lead bullets, but I didn't even open the box yet and I've had it for months.
I better check it when I go home
Post by: 6716J on July 10, 2020, 11:33:19 AM
:shaka:
BTW I got an appointment in October.... :(
Post by: kkt on July 10, 2020, 02:17:10 PM
1. LG permit expiring in August.
2. Registration appointment in September.
Can a LG be purchased in July then registered in September with an August expired permit?
Called firearms division but no one seems to be answering.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 10, 2020, 03:05:39 PM
For those that have gone through this process, please clarify this situation:
1. LG permit expiring in August.
2. Registration appointment in September.
Can a LG be purchased in July then registered in September with an August expired permit?
Called firearms division but no one seems to be answering.
Yep. The permit to ACQUIRE is valid in July. No problem acquiring a long gun.
When you register, apply for a new permit. Registration doesn't require a valid permit to acquire.
Look at all the out of state guns that come in with new residents and visitors. Registration is required, but no permits needed. Acquisition is separate from registration.
Chances are, they will want to keep the expired permit, so take that with you to apply for a new one. Making you go through a background check when moving or visiting requires a permit registration process. If you acquired using a valid permit at that time the background check was already performed.
If they give you grief, tell them you'd like to know who to report HPD to for violating the 5 day registration law -- ever since the appointment system started.
Post by: kkt on July 10, 2020, 03:09:20 PM
Yep. The permit to ACQUIRE is valid in July. No problem acquiring a long gun.
When you register, apply for a new permit. Registration doesn't require a valid permit to acquire.
Look at all the out of state guns that come in with new residents and visitors. Registration is required, but no permits needed. Acquisition is separate from registration.
Chances are, they will want to keep the expired permit, so take that with you to apply for a new one. Making you go through a background check when moving or visiting requires a permit registration process. If you acquired using a valid permit at that time the background check was already performed.
If they give you grief, tell them you'd like to know who to report HPD to for violating the 5 day registration law -- ever since the appointment system started.
Thank you.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 10, 2020, 03:16:53 PM
Thank you.
No problema.
Back when they could support a "5-days after acquisition" registration process, it was reasonable to expect the new owner to have a valid permit at registration.
Now, though, they are allowing acquisitions weeks or months before registering. As long as the permit was valid at acquisition/transfer, registration should not be an issue.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on July 10, 2020, 06:48:46 PM
Axis venison is the best....
Post by: dirsh on July 14, 2020, 12:56:37 PM
Post by: Linohawaii on July 14, 2020, 01:48:53 PM
Go to the HPD website http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain
Since all of the slot are taken three months out, you have to wait as they open up a 10 minute slot every 10 minutes.
So at 1:30 pm today, they opened up the slot for Oct 14 for 1:30pm.
Got to be quick cause they disappear rather quickly. I lost a couple of appointments because I type with one finger. :D
Post by: 6716J on July 14, 2020, 02:02:28 PM
Here's what I did when I got my appointment.
Go to the HPD website http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain
Since all of the slot are taken three months out, you have to wait as they open up a 10 minute slot every 10 minutes.
So at 1:30 pm today, they opened up the slot for Oct 14 for 1:30pm.
Got to be quick cause they disappear rather quickly. I lost a couple of appointments because I type with one finger. :D
Ditto
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 14, 2020, 03:28:29 PM
Then they offered a time: Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:30. So I took it and I got an e-mail confirmation.
Post by: stangzilla on July 14, 2020, 03:35:54 PM
Post by: blastoff747 on July 15, 2020, 12:56:35 AM
I'm sure all of you noticed that application for license carry is for security only
So what you're trying to say is start a security company.
Post by: stangzilla on July 15, 2020, 09:37:56 AM
So what you're trying to say is start a security company.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: 6716J on July 15, 2020, 11:49:09 AM
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Thank you for taking the time to inform me about your concern regarding the appointment-only system used when applying for a permit to acquire firearms in Honolulu.
My office has taken follow-up action on your behalf and your request for assistance has been referred to the appropriate City department. We will get back to you when we receive a response.
Mahalo again for your input. Please feel free to contact me if I can be of further assistance.
Very sincerely yours,
Council Chair Emeritus Ron Menor
Council District 9
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My original email
Aloha Gov. Ige, Mayor Caldwell, Senators, Representatives, Legislators and Officials
As we all know the COVID-19 pandemic has created numerous issues for all of us living and working in Hawaii. As such, the appointment based process put into place by the Honolulu Police Department, while I am sure well intentioned, has created a Constitutional problem for the citizens in the State, specifically on O’ahu. Currently the citizens of O’ahu are UNABLE to even apply to obtain a permit to acquire a firearm due to no available appointments for the next 3 months or farther based on the results on the HPD Firearms Dept webpage (http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain). This is a deprivation of rights under the color of law. Based on this information, I am asking for the Governor and Mayor to order the Honolulu Police Department to immediately suspend the appointment based system and allow the Hawaii based Federal Firearms Licensees to perform the background checks using the ATF Form 4473 and/or the current HPD forms and contacting the appropriate Authority Having Jurisdiction. Numerous other states with waiting periods have proved that the background check system CAN and DOES work even with a waiting period. California, our closest neighbor in the 9th Circuit imposes a 10 day waiting period on all firearm purchases and all Private Party transfers must be done through a Federal Firearms Licensee. Hawaii FFLs can contact the HPD or other County Police departments or through the States Attorney Generals Office which performs background checks (https://ag.hawaii.gov/hcjdc/criminal-history-records-check/) to perform the background check as is required by State and Federal laws. Hawaii can perform this as well and better than other States, showing the other States we are more than capable and first in upholding the Constitutional Rights of our residents.
By moving the process out to the FFLs, this will free up officer time in the Firearms Permit Unit to address their workload and abilities. Also, in light of the Yukutake et. al. V. Conners suit being settled, this would be a huge positive movement in publicity for the State and HPD in regards to Civil Rights and the upholding of Constitutional Rights of both the State of Hawaii and the United States.
We, as residents of the State of Hawaii and respective Counties, know that you as our elected officials value the oath you have taken to uphold the Constitutional obligations as set forth when you took office. We know that if this was a problem with our abilities to vote, the problem would be addressed immediately. And regardless of views, we now have 100% mail-in voting in Hawaii. Should we not have the same and equal ability to exercise our right to bear arms as the right to vote?
Mahalo for your kokua in addressing an issue which is directly affecting the Constitutional rights of the residents of Hawaii.
ʻAʻohe hana nui ke alu ‘ia (No task is too big when done together by all)
Mahalo nui loa
Post by: dirsh on July 15, 2020, 12:26:57 PM
Here's what I did when I got my appointment.
Go to the HPD website http://www.honolulupd.org/information/index.php?page=gunmain
Since all of the slot are taken three months out, you have to wait as they open up a 10 minute slot every 10 minutes.
So at 1:30 pm today, they opened up the slot for Oct 14 for 1:30pm.
Got to be quick cause they disappear rather quickly. I lost a couple of appointments because I type with one finger. :D
Thanks. Dumb question but if one was to buy a pistol, would an appointment need to be made for each visit to hpd? Apply, pick up permit, bring in pistol. Sorry if this was answered somewhere else you can point me to that thread
Post by: nahp01 on July 15, 2020, 12:36:27 PM
Thanks. Dumb question but if one was to buy a pistol, would an appointment need to be made for each visit to hpd? Apply, pick up permit, bring in pistol. Sorry if this was answered somewhere else you can point me to that thread
Just need 2. One for application, one for registration.
Post by: stangzilla on July 15, 2020, 12:41:17 PM
Thanks. Dumb question but if one was to buy a pistol, would an appointment need to be made for each visit to hpd? Apply, pick up permit, bring in pistol. Sorry if this was answered somewhere else you can point me to that thread
I heard that now you pick up the permit at the records window on the side that you register the firearm
Post by: 6716J on July 15, 2020, 03:19:49 PM
Aloha e XXXXXX,
Mahalo for your email. I wrote the Honolulu Chief of Police, Susan Ballard, about this yesterday. I’m hopeful they’ll be able to fix the situation.
Me ke aloha pumehana,
Senator Mike Gabbard
Chair, Agriculture and Environment Committee
Hawai’i State Capitol, Room 201
Honolulu, Hawai`i 96813
Ph: 586-6830 Fax: 586-6679
Post by: mrgaf on July 15, 2020, 04:44:32 PM
Post by: pandacrx on July 15, 2020, 05:39:50 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 15, 2020, 05:54:11 PM
Post by: Glasser on July 16, 2020, 07:07:00 AM
Post by: 6716J on July 16, 2020, 09:53:59 AM
Here is the response from HPD and the Chiefs office
Post by: 19pontiac79 on July 16, 2020, 02:09:54 PM
Question so you go in a for long gun permit at your appointment time. Do you then need an appointment to pick up your permit after the 14 days?
I picked up 3 pistol permits today no appointment needed. You go to the traffic/court records windows to pick up. It's the widows before the firearms registration room.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 16, 2020, 02:26:08 PM
I picked up 3 pistol permits today no appointment needed. You go to the traffic/court records windows to pick up. It's the widows before the firearms registration room.
Just say "The Sex Offenders Registration Window." Most reading this know where that is. :rofl: :geekdanc:
Post by: 6716J on July 20, 2020, 04:27:20 PM
So as we have it. Mayor doesn't care, Governor doesn't care, Chief doesn't care. Local and State legislators and the City Council don't care.
Who are the Pro-2A running for office right now?
Post by: Linohawaii on July 23, 2020, 12:49:04 PM
Post by: 6716J on July 28, 2020, 03:23:52 PM
But only for you in the system with RAPBACK I think
Same process but click the "TEST" link to get there
I'm still stuck in going to the main station. Like they can't run the BG check from Kapolei?
Post by: nahp01 on July 28, 2020, 03:45:38 PM
Progress.... You can apply in Kapolei now.
But only for you in the system with RAPBACK I think
Same process but click the "TEST" link to get there
I'm still stuck in going to the main station. Like they can't run the BG check from Kapolei?
Lots of times available for August 4. Good thing is that it’s only 7 days out so hopefully it’ll alleviate the backlog. I signed up for a spot, but still kind of sketch that it only says TEST lol
Post by: Heavies on July 28, 2020, 03:49:32 PM
Progress.... You can apply in Kapolei now.
But only for you in the system with RAPBACK I think
Same process but click the "TEST" link to get there
I'm still stuck in going to the main station. Like they can't run the BG check from Kapolei?
Thanks for the heads up! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
Post by: stangzilla on July 28, 2020, 04:03:23 PM
Thanks for the heads up! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
:shaka:
Post by: macsak on July 28, 2020, 05:17:54 PM
Thanks for the heads up! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
heads
Post by: dogman on July 28, 2020, 06:17:16 PM
headsup!
Post by: 6716J on July 28, 2020, 06:50:58 PM
Lots of times available for August 4. Good thing is that it’s only 7 days out so hopefully it’ll alleviate the backlog. I signed up for a spot, but still kind of sketch that it only says TEST lol
Maybe you get to be the first vict... I mean volunteer
Post by: nahp01 on July 28, 2020, 07:45:09 PM
Maybe you get to be the first vict... I mean volunteerWill keep you guys updated lol
Post by: Phazuka on July 28, 2020, 09:20:38 PM
Dsont I just need to fill out the registration form at HPD and digitally sign?
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Post by: Heavies on July 28, 2020, 09:26:00 PM
What do I need to bring to HPD tomorrow to complete the registration of the last 2 handguns I bought during the panic? It's been so long since I got the permits to acquire?
Dsont I just need to fill out the registration form at HPD and digitally sign?
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Bring the cased, unloaded, handguns, your handgun affidavit, permits, valid ID.
Post by: Phazuka on July 29, 2020, 08:47:52 AM
Bring the cased, unloaded, handguns, your handgun affidavit, permits, valid ID.I already picked up the guns from the FFL and I religiously keep all permits, receipts and registration forms in a folder and I can't find the permits to acquire but HPD have those already right?
So, if I have the guns now I just need to fill out the registration form at HPD now yeah? Any replies appreciated before 2pm today.
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Post by: stangzilla on July 29, 2020, 09:25:34 AM
Progress.... You can apply in Kapolei now.
But only for you in the system with RAPBACK I think
Same process but click the "TEST" link to get there
I'm still stuck in going to the main station. Like they can't run the BG check from Kapolei?
not sure if this Kapolei thing is working bc theres no Wednesday. still only Tuesday available
Post by: Heavies on July 29, 2020, 11:46:52 AM
not sure if this Kapolei thing is working bc theres no Wednesday. still only Tuesday availableI got an email confirmation for Tues rifle PTA. We'll see.
Post by: Influence on July 29, 2020, 03:23:56 PM
Post by: 19pontiac79 on July 29, 2020, 03:28:55 PM
"Not sure if I’m checking the wrong area, but I see nothing available for both the main station and Kapolei. Not sure how this can be legal..."
If there is nothing. It's booked out 3 months. They don't release anything further then that. But cancellations do pop back up if there are any but you have to be quick to scoop those :shaka:
Post by: Influence on July 29, 2020, 03:46:51 PM
"Not sure if I’m checking the wrong area, but I see nothing available for both the main station and Kapolei. Not sure how this can be legal..."
If there is nothing. It's booked out 3 months. They don't release anything further then that. But cancellations do pop back up if there are any but you have to be quick to scoop those :shaka:
I’m actually good on guns now but was just curious, so I checked. So how does it go? Every morning, time slots 90 days out pop up on their site? If there’s a cancellation with only one slot available and someone is trying to register a handgun, can they walk in two weeks later and then after that to register the handgun?
Post by: 19pontiac79 on July 29, 2020, 03:59:27 PM
I’m actually good on guns now but was just curious, so I checked. So how does it go? Every morning, time slots 90 days out pop up on their site? If there’s a cancellation with only one slot available and someone is trying to register a handgun, can they walk in two weeks later and then after that to register the handgun?
The only thing you can "walk in" for is to pick up your permit to aquire. To apply for permit or to register firearms you need an appointment. Right now they are accepting expired permits because they recognize the problem with the appointment system. Trying to get a registration appointment before your permits expire is very difficult. All three of of my pistol permits will be expired when I go in for my register firearms appointment on Aug 6. :thumbsup:
As for the appointments that's how they have been dropping. They go quick, for both registration and permit to aquire.
Post by: stangzilla on July 29, 2020, 04:05:59 PM
Kapolei Police Department will now be scheduling appointments for firearm permit.
now next to the Test icon is (do not select) in ()
so maybe it is not working yet
if it ain't working yet, why put it on the website???
Post by: nahp01 on July 29, 2020, 04:28:41 PM
now next to the Test icon is (do not select) in ()
so maybe it is not working yet
if it ain't working yet, why put it on the website???
I just checked, and there are a lot less time slots than when I picked mine yesterday. I’ll head out and report back to see if they honor the appointment next week. If anything, it’ll be nice to go for a drive
Post by: Influence on July 29, 2020, 07:27:10 PM
The only thing you can "walk in" for is to pick up your permit to aquire. To apply for permit or to register firearms you need an appointment. Right now they are accepting expired permits because they recognize the problem with the appointment system. Trying to get a registration appointment before your permits expire is very difficult. All three of of my pistol permits will be expired when I go in for my register firearms appointment on Aug 6. :thumbsup:
As for the appointments that's how they have been dropping. They go quick, for both registration and permit to aquire.
Got it, thanks :shaka:
Post by: MrJones on July 29, 2020, 08:04:49 PM
Jones
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 29, 2020, 09:15:03 PM
I called the Kapolei police station this morning about them doing gun registrations. In a unenthusiastic pidgeon tone the public servant (cop) told me he had heard about something in the future but not now. He hung up. :rofl:
Jones
If you're going to contact anyone over the phone, especially a gov't employee, and the topic is potentially contentious, you should start out with, "To whom am I speaking?" Asking after they say something stupid or rude is too late. They'll either hang up or give a false name.
Anyway, I would have called back, and if he answered again, I'd immediately ask for his name and that of his supervisor. His answer was unacceptable. If he doesn't know, he can easily find out while you wait or call you back.
These kinds of stories piss me off. They are public SERVANTS paid by our tax money. Nobody treats me like a peon.
BTW, Hawaii is a one-party consent state for recording conversations. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
Post by: 19pontiac79 on July 29, 2020, 11:15:06 PM
"BTW, Hawaii is a one-party consent state for recording conversations. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:"
Good to know thanks :thumbsup: got to look at some apps now ;D
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 30, 2020, 01:14:20 AM
"BTW, Hawaii is a one-party consent state for recording conversations. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:"
Good to know thanks :thumbsup: got to look at some apps now ;D
As long as you are a party to the conversation, or you have given your consent to another party to be recorded, that's all that's needed for the conversation to be recorded -- unless you happen to be his lawyer, priest or doctor, of course. :thumbsup: Just can't record conversations that others are having without you being a party to it.
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Hawaii law (Haw. Rev. Stat.803-42(b)(3)(A)) says recording a conversation is legal if one person in the conversation
knows about the recording or has given consent.
https://www.upcounsel.com/audio-surveillance-laws-by-state
Post by: nahp01 on July 30, 2020, 01:43:06 PM
Post by: Heavies on July 30, 2020, 06:02:14 PM
FYI Just got an email saying my appointment at Kapolei next week got canceled. Knew it was too good to be true haha
Yeah. Same here. 😡
Post by: blastoff747 on July 31, 2020, 12:35:44 AM
Post by: 6716J on July 31, 2020, 10:56:22 AM
Let them hear from us and our complete displeasure
Mayor Kirk Caldwell
mayor@honolulu.gov
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Fax (808) 768-5552
City Hall Address below:
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Honolulu City Council Fax: (808) 768-5011
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Phone: (808) 768-5001
E-mail kmpine@honolulu.gov
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Phone: (808) 768-5002
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Phone: (808) 768-5003
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Phone: (808) 768-5004
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Post by: mrgaf on July 31, 2020, 11:30:49 AM
FYI Just got an email saying my appointment at Kapolei next week got canceled. Knew it was too good to be true haha
HPD assholes will do anything to keep us from our rights! They think they are above the law but the days of reckoning are not that far off.....
Post by: Kai223 on August 04, 2020, 10:29:26 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 04, 2020, 12:49:09 PM
This appt system is bullsh*t, hows the lawsuit coming?
None right now with respects to the wait time. Judges would give lots of leeway due to COVID. Better option for a suit would be when all state buildings open up.
Post by: 6716J on August 21, 2020, 08:04:29 AM
https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2020/08/19/scrap-pistol-purchase-permit-law/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR1WAATvfULDf9HjWivH2tbWAZnMNRgjKtSBwRI1HmlJcbPqDBNdBQm8obQ
Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 21, 2020, 09:50:13 AM
None right now with respects to the wait time. Judges would give lots of leeway due to COVID. Better option for a suit would be when all state buildings open up.
We probably had a better chance when new COVID positive cases were at or near 0 a few months ago.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on August 22, 2020, 10:07:12 PM
FYI Just got an email saying my appointment at Kapolei next week got canceled. Knew it was too good to be true haha
Did they say why?
Post by: stangzilla on August 23, 2020, 02:59:03 PM
Did they say why?
They not doing registration at kapolei
Post by: 19pontiac79 on August 23, 2020, 03:15:11 PM
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Post by: EL_Freddy on August 23, 2020, 03:48:23 PM
Noticed something new on the site. "Health screening" Just the basic thermo test? Or are they going to need some DNA to enter into a data base :crazy: got my tin foil hat ready :D
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Its a temp check and questionaire. Its done on the registration side so if youre going to the main station to apply for a permit, go to the line for registration first before going to the permit office.
Post by: toku58 on August 24, 2020, 11:37:32 AM
How does this make any sense?
Please help?
Post by: 6716J on August 24, 2020, 07:49:47 PM
Time to go back to writing every legislator and such to get them to fix this problem.
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Post by: dogman on August 24, 2020, 08:02:59 PM
But I need to wait until my appointment to start the 14 day waiting period?Yes. . . your appointment is to apply for a permit to acquire, bring the handgun info from the GS, down load and fill out the forms from the same site as the appointment, bring your affidavit or Hunters Ed card, pay fees if you haven't already, apply and wait 14 days to pickup your permit. No appointment for permit pickup.
Then I need to make another appointment to register it?? Possibly 3 months out? WTF?Yes. . . several times (is three several?) I was able to get an appointment to register on the next day without much effort. I passed on a couple because they were too soon.
Post by: 19pontiac79 on August 25, 2020, 02:30:50 AM
Yes. . . several times (is three several?) I was able to get an appointment to register on the next day without much effort. I passed on a couple because they were too soon.
Man you got some luck I've been heavy lurking for an aquire (got one finally, out to Nov 6th though) and registration for weeks.
Post by: dogman on August 25, 2020, 05:36:35 AM
Man you got some luck I've been heavy lurking for an aquire (got one finally, out to Nov 6th though) and registration for weeks.Couple of my friends want me to go to Vegas with them. Permit to acquire appointments were pretty rare earlier than three months out but next day registration appointments were out there when I needed them. I missed several because of my slow typing skills.
Post by: stangzilla on August 25, 2020, 07:04:47 AM
I was 2nd in line and took nearly 10 minutes to get thru the process
be prepared
Post by: toku58 on August 25, 2020, 08:34:32 AM
What ever happened to 2nd Amendment being a Right?! How can they hinder my Rights? WTF!
Post by: DotCom on August 25, 2020, 02:14:05 PM
Permit to acquire Days to wait Dates you can pick up permit (10 days valid to use your permit)
example date after applying (6 days valid to pick up) Appt to Register should be:
25-Aug +14 9-Sep -------------------------------- Sep 9 to Sep 18
10-Sep -------------------------------- Sep 10 to Sep 19
11-Sep -------------------------------- Sep 11 to Sep 20
12-Sep -------------------------------- Sep 12 to Sep 21
13-Sep -------------------------------- Sep 13 to Sep 22
14-Sep -------------------------------- Sep 14 to Sep 23
Note:
Line 1: I use Aug 25th as an example schedule date for Permit to acquire 3 guns or less from this, you can adjust and pattern your Appt for permit to acquire to a compatible Appt to register.
Line 2: Mandatory waiting time before issuing your approved permit to acquire w/c is 14 days.
Line 3: After 14 days waiting period you have 6 days to pick up your approved permit. Dates are shown when to pick up your permit. If you don't pick up your permit within 6 days, it will be voided, and you go back to hunting an Appt for permit to acquire.
Line 4: Dates that your permit is valid to use. These dates should also be your Appt to register. You pick up your permit on a day in Line 3, then the compatible Appt to register should be on Line 4.
*** This is just a guide I made to share with you to know if you have the right match of your Appt for permit to acquire with your Appt to register.
*** With this please don't hog most appointments.
***Pls don’t waste the Appt for permit to acquire schedule if you will not have the right Appt to register schedule. Swap it with someone with compatible schedules.
***Pls don’t waste the Appt to register schedule if your permit to acquire is going to be expired at the time to register your guns.
*** It's up to you to follow or not. Let me know if it's not accurate. Thank you if you learn something from this. Let's help one another. :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
Post by: 6716J on August 27, 2020, 01:38:23 PM
I did more number crunching and here is what they were doing pre-COVID
PERMIT APPLICATION AVERAGES
yearly monthly weekly daily Hourly (8 hour day)
Historical 13329 1111 256 37 4.6
10 Year 18394 1533 354 50 6.3
5 Year 18354 1530 353 50 6.3
Post by: raul on August 28, 2020, 08:46:29 PM
Post by: Heavies on August 28, 2020, 08:47:32 PM
Fuck the mayor, fuck the governor, fuck h.p.d. And fuck this state, bunch of pussies run this corrupt state!!
You're not wrong....
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 28, 2021, 01:50:34 PM
2 30-minute reservations per hour
8 hours per day
5 days per week
4 weeks per month
3 months max reservations available
2x8x5x4x3 = 960 reservations
Anyone believe there are 960 people needing a Security Job-Related license to carry appointment all in the same 3 month period?
Yeah. The system is definitely working "as intended."
Post by: omnigun on February 28, 2021, 03:11:41 PM
If you aren't sure if the HPD reservation system is being disrupted, ask yourself how all reservations for License to Carry - Security can be booked for the next 90 days.
2 30-minute reservations per hour
8 hours per day
5 days per week
4 weeks per month
3 months max reservations available
2x8x5x4x3 = 960 reservations
Anyone believe there are 960 people needing a Security Job-Related license to carry appointment all in the same 3 month period?
Yeah. The system is definitely working "as intended."
Or just maybe...if we think logically of other explainations. All reservations in one category are the same "time blocks" so an appointment to acquire will take a carry timeslot.
Post by: mrgaf on February 28, 2021, 03:53:16 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 28, 2021, 04:02:20 PM
I don’t give a shit what HPD says or does. Those dooshbags are doing this registration appointment system for one reason and one reason only and thats gun control, plain and simple. The mayor needs to grow a set of balls and tell that skank/dike Ballard to end this bullshit or else. He runs the city, not her and her scum bag crooked pig cops. :wtf:A pro 2a mayor could do this. But rick aint pro 2a.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 28, 2021, 04:40:50 PM
Or just maybe...if we think logically of other explainations. All reservations in one category are the same "time blocks" so an appointment to acquire will take a carry timeslot.
That's even worse. It allows those trying to disrupt the process to reserve all the times in one category which in turn eliminates all appointments in all other categories.
If this were the case, then nobody could ever make a License to Carry appointment if all the 3 or less appointments are booked.
Your theory makes no sense -- looking at it logically.
Post by: robtmc on February 28, 2021, 05:58:58 PM
It allows those trying to disrupt the process to reserve all the times in one category which in turn eliminates all appointments in all other categories.
Believe I read when I got my hunting license, that liberals were signing up for all the classes to try and prevent anyone from getting in.
No class openings = give up.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 28, 2021, 06:16:49 PM
Believe I read when I got my hunting license, that liberals were signing up for all the classes to try and prevent anyone from getting in.
No class openings = give up.
Disruption from behind a keyboard is more common when the disrupters can remain anonymous.
I'd be happy with a small ($1 ?) "convenience fee" paid by credit card or PayPal to make an appointment. No refunds for cancelations made less than 2 or 3 days prior. You can swap with someone else, but that person would be charged a dollar as well. 2-3 days is enough time for someone else to rebook the appointment after it's canceled.
It's not the cost as much as having something to identify the people using the system. Too easy to fake a name, phone number, email and address to clog up the system.
Anything to make it less convenient for disrupters to make an appointment anonymously. HPD could then look for people using the same payment accounts and not showing up. Better than relying on the information currently self-provided to identify them.
Post by: robtmc on February 28, 2021, 06:26:45 PM
HPD could then look for people using the same payment accounts and not showing upI get the strong feeling that HPD would not GAS.
DLNR, might. The DNLR guy at my class seemed a good guy. Why he came in with full kit was questionable.
:stopjack:
Post by: zippz on February 28, 2021, 06:31:05 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 28, 2021, 06:59:21 PM
There's a few ways to reduse abuse if the appointment system. Have an automatic call back feature. Or require a photo of your ID. 24 hours prior to the appointment have an automated call confirmation to reduce scammers or forgotten appointments.
A good alternative is to email and text different verification codes to the user. Then they can enter the codes on the website to verify both are valid. If it's not done in, say, 30 minutes, the reservation is canceled.
The Acuity Scheduler software allows HPD to use the Stripe payment processor and not charge the credit card entered unless they are a no-show.
So, a $10, $15 or even $20 no-show fee may be enough to stop the disruption.
Quote
Stripe: Click “Connect with Stripe” or copy your live secret API key to accept payments.https://help.acuityscheduling.com/hc/en-us/articles/218724788
Stripe allows clients to pay with their credit card without straying from Acuity. It also allows
you to capture a credit card number without charging it –– the perfect solution for charging
in the event of a no-show.
The no-show fees collected should be enough to pay for the Stripe payment processing costs. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
Post by: mrgaf on February 28, 2021, 07:11:09 PM
Post by: ren on February 28, 2021, 07:13:47 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 28, 2021, 08:44:46 PM
A good alternative is to email and text different verification codes to the user. Then they can enter the codes on the website to verify both are valid. If it's not done in, say, 30 minutes, the reservation is canceled.Hpd probably high 5s the last minute cancellations or no shows.
The Acuity Scheduler software allows HPD to use the Stripe payment processor and not charge the credit card entered unless they are a no-show.
So, a $10, $15 or even $20 no-show fee may be enough to stop the disruption.
https://help.acuityscheduling.com/hc/en-us/articles/218724788
The no-show fees collected should be enough to pay for the Stripe payment processing costs. :geekdanc:
A $ redundable deposit makes too much sense.
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Post by: 6716J on March 01, 2021, 11:24:39 AM
.... Likewise there’s word on the street that SME LGS’s have made appointments to accommodate their customers. Not sure how true it is but it wouldn’t surprise me. ???
This is true. I've been in a couple LGS looking at toys and they've straight up told me they can get me appointment "tomorrow" if I wanted to buy today. Makes you wonder if there is a "back door" system for the LGS who are or are former LEO to get in the system and just book as many as they want. Or they just wait until the "hack" is available at 0300 and they book them all then.
Post by: omnigun on March 01, 2021, 01:16:45 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 01, 2021, 02:16:22 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 01, 2021, 02:28:45 PM
While I support refundable deposits in concept, implementation I do not. You would need to trust HPD with payment info. The best method I can think of is phone number confirmation, then limit how many appointments one phone can have. You don't need 10 acquire permits a month...
NO.
If you bothered to read my post, the scheduling site connects to the payment processing service. You can even use PayPal with a credit card even if you don't have a PP account.
I did this on a Class Reunion site I created. The payment processor handled all the financial info. What my site received was a transaction record without payment method details.
So, if someone has a household of 4 each with a cell, and an office with a 6 line phone system, your solution gives them 100 reservations max? So much better! :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 01, 2021, 05:36:21 PM
NO.Paypal can scam people. Bad payment option.
If you bothered to read my post, the scheduling site connects to the payment processing service. You can even use PayPal with a credit card even if you don't have a PP account.
I did this on a Class Reunion site I created. The payment processor handled all the financial info. What my site received was a transaction record without payment method details.
So, if someone has a household of 4 each with a cell, and an office with a 6 line phone system, your solution gives them 100 reservations max? So much better! :rofl:
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 01, 2021, 08:18:06 PM
Paypal can scam people. Bad payment option.
PayPal, just like guns, is just a tool. It's the user (and the ignorant victim) who shoulder the blame for scams, not PayPal.
If you abide by the ToS, you also get PP's fraud protection. And if you funded the PP purchase with a Credit Card, you get their protection, too.
Trying to "trick" the system to avoid a small fee or to send money for a restricted or prohibited transaction is where you wind up on the losing end of that "calculated risk."
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 02, 2021, 02:04:07 PM
Or just maybe...if we think logically of other explainations. All reservations in one category are the same "time blocks" so an appointment to acquire will take a carry timeslot.
I saw a just-canceled appointment for today very early this morning. So, I left it alone and checked all the other categories.
True that the length of appointments vary from 10 to 30 minutes, but at least all the 10 minute appointments should be able to use the same time if the scheduling periods are "pooled".
Both PTA and Registration appointments for 3 guns or less are 10 minutes in length. While I saw a PTA available, no Registrations were. That proves that the entire system is not using a single pool of appointments.
Could the registration and permit appointment have 2 separate pools since they are two different locations at HPD? Potentially.
The issue I see is that with 10, 20, & 30 minute appointment periods for different categories, the overlap would be unmanageable. Unless the larger appointments are booked first, the smaller ones would fragment the time pool, making it difficult to find contiguous segments to schedule larger periods.
Example: If 1:00-1:30 is open, and someone schedules a 1:10 3 or less PTA, the time between 1:00 and 1:10 can only be used for another 10 minute appointment. Likewise, a 30 minute appointment won't fit from 1:10 to 1:30. I can't see them using a simple pool of times when the length of individual appointments vary by 10 or 20 minutes. It severely complicates the process.
Given the number of windows at the permit desk, I can assume they anticipated multiple customers, telling me the reservations for each category overlap.
Post by: omnigun on March 02, 2021, 03:15:00 PM
I saw a just-canceled appointment for today very early this morning. So, I left it alone and checked all the other categories.
True that the length of appointments vary from 10 to 30 minutes, but at least all the 10 minute appointments should be able to use the same time if the scheduling periods are "pooled".
Both PTA and Registration appointments for 3 guns or less are 10 minutes in length. While I saw a PTA available, no Registrations were. That proves that the entire system is not using a single pool of appointments.
Could the registration and permit appointment have 2 separate pools since they are two different locations at HPD? Potentially.
The issue I see is that with 10, 20, & 30 minute appointment periods for different categories, the overlap would be unmanageable. Unless the larger appointments are booked first, the smaller ones would fragment the time pool, making it difficult to find contiguous segments to schedule larger periods.
Example: If 1:00-1:30 is open, and someone schedules a 1:10 3 or less PTA, the time between 1:00 and 1:10 can only be used for another 10 minute appointment. Likewise, a 30 minute appointment won't fit from 1:10 to 1:30. I can't see them using a simple pool of times when the length of individual appointments vary by 10 or 20 minutes. It severely complicates the process.
Given the number of windows at the permit desk, I can assume they anticipated multiple customers, telling me the reservations for each category overlap.
Acquire and Registrations are separate. They do not share pools. From looking at their sheet they appear to have 2 main pools. One for reg and one for permit. Looks like everything in those categories fall under those, unless they have hidden sheets.
How they deal with the 10 vs 30min from my theory is they have 2 timeslots. They run both at once in each pool. They have 2 windows at each "station". They can do a 10min and 30min appointment concurrently.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 02, 2021, 04:06:43 PM
Acquire and Registrations are separate. They do not share pools. From looking at their sheet they appear to have 2 main pools. One for reg and one for permit. Looks like everything in those categories fall under those, unless they have hidden sheets.
How they deal with the 10 vs 30min from my theory is they have 2 timeslots. They run both at once in each pool. They have 2 windows at each "station". They can do a 10min and 30min appointment concurrently.
Any chance you have actual evidence that supports your theory, or are you merely speculating?
How long are the 2 timeslots? 30 min (max possible appt length)? If so, then they are wasting 20 minutes of every half hour to reserve a 10 minute appt.
Post by: omnigun on March 02, 2021, 04:11:48 PM
Any chance you have actual evidence that supports your theory, or are you merely speculating?
How long are the 2 timeslots? 30 min (max possible appt length)? If so, then they are wasting 20 minutes of every half hour to reserve a 10 minute appt.
I don't work at HPD, but if we were in a legal betting state I would put a sizable bet on the line. (regarding 2 pools separating registration and acquire.)
The other theory is just a theory. I don't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt, on how they structure the pools of appointments within the categories. :rofl:
Post by: ren on March 02, 2021, 04:28:41 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 02, 2021, 04:36:39 PM
I don't work at HPD, but if we were in a legal betting state I would put a sizable bet on the line. (regarding 2 pools separating registration and acquire.)
The other theory is just a theory. I don't have proof beyond a reasonable doubt, on how they structure the pools of appointments within the categories. :rofl:
I researched the scheduling service HPD pays to use: Acuity Scheduling. Based on the behavior of the scheduling app and the well-documented user information, they are using the simplest set-up available.
When you look at the length of time for each category within Permits (ignoring the Registration pool), the overlapping lengths of appointments would have many gaps. Instead, they likely have a pool of times for each category as well, since there are more than one person working the permits windows. Hence, taking an appt for 4 or more guns would knock out 3 appts for 3 or less.
So, my EXPERT opinion, based on actual research of the app, the service's features and the behavior of actual appointments is that the categories all have separate times available. That means that there are 3 times as many 3 or less appts available than 4 or more appts (10 min vs 30 min), and 2 times as many as Joint PTA appts.
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 02, 2021, 05:43:20 PM
PayPal, just like guns, is just a tool. It's the user (and the ignorant victim) who shoulder the blame for scams, not PayPal.Sarcasm was implied.
If you abide by the ToS, you also get PP's fraud protection. And if you funded the PP purchase with a Credit Card, you get their protection, too.
Trying to "trick" the system to avoid a small fee or to send money for a restricted or prohibited transaction is where you wind up on the losing end of that "calculated risk."
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 02, 2021, 05:49:43 PM
Sarcasm was implied.
Lots of people here hate PayPal for a variety of reasons.
Didn't want to assume. :geekdanc: :thumbsup: