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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Heavies on April 02, 2020, 12:53:56 AM
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I know I'm a moderator, but... discuss.......... ???
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I'm one of "those" prepper guys. I'm mailing bread making yeast to family today.
Stores have run out and she asked for some help.
If you are buying guns and ammo now you have a problem!
It is too late!
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I saw that posted/shared last night. I refuse to give them business or send anyone I know there. If people have shared positive things, I just listen politely, but I won't give them one cent of my money.
Discussing various needs via texts with various friends, ammo included. Flat out giving ammo to some friends (more urgent need) or at cost to others (who want to slightly bolster their supply). That said, seeing a lot of profiteering and not just the shop in the OP. That's fine as businesses and people have the right to sell what they have for the price of their choosing. I'll just say that I think in general, the 2A community generally knows what is reasonable going rates and take notice on those who are "profit taking" to an extreme. Similar to CTD shenanigans, I remember what they did back in the day and refuse to shop with them.
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They targeting the new gun owners who are clueless as to what something should cost.
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They targeting the new gun owners who are clueless as to what something should cost.
Gun ignorant Democrats buying guns.
That is scary. Hopefully they are amenable to
being trained by guys like us.
Everybody in my family (and extended family)
gets gun safety and swimming lessons.
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That has to be a typo, no? That place is a major ripoff to begin with, long before this recent craze, asking 'crazy person' prices for firearms (Glocks for $700+), ammo (5.56, .223/$1.50 per round), "gunsmithing services" :rofl: (dude tried to pass off a gouge in my friends barrel as a divot for the gas block screw!!! Wasn't even lined up), and novelty accessories (a lot of their stuff is toy-cheapy crap that fall to pieces in no time, what little legit stuff they have you need a loan to buy from them). Then they ask $100 for FFL transfer. I don't know what goes into being an FFL, but there has to be something wrong when there are FFL's out there that are only charging a fraction of that insane price. And not even going to begin with their ridiculously run range. But this is next level gouge! You can practically buy 3 shotguns for that! I was done with that place when the worker didn't know what a castle nut was... Sorry to go off but these guys are a real joke... I hope that was a typo...
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Gun ignorant Democrats buying guns.
That is scary. Hopefully they are amenable to
being trained by guys like us.
Everybody in my family (and extended family)
gets gun safety and swimming lessons.
I can just picture you training a Democrat. Probably go something like this. "Ok, after loading your weapon and making sure it is ready to fire, look down the barrel and press the tigger.to make sure the round is discharging properly. Use a stick if you can't reach the trigger."
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Maybe a premium for keeping the HPD registration desk open during these times?
I wrote a letter in support of developing a range awhile ago...<crickets>
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Isn’t MSRP on those around $800, with places selling for less before the panic ?
Definitely small kine panic gouge. Or maybe not as it sounds like they charge way over MSRP normally.
I used to go there for minor smithing from Brian.
But that was before they became membership required. ( Is membership fee still required for purchase?)
Haven’t been there since.
Country Club of gun shops and ranges ?
Just checked website. Basic Handgun Safety course. Only $299. :wacko:
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That has to be a typo, no? That place is a major ripoff to begin with, long before this recent craze, asking 'crazy person' prices for firearms (Glocks for $700+), ammo (5.56, .223/$1.50 per round), "gunsmithing services" :rofl: (dude tried to pass off a gouge in my friends barrel as a divot for the gas block screw!!! Wasn't even lined up), and novelty accessories (a lot of their stuff is toy-cheapy crap that fall to pieces in no time, what little legit stuff they have you need a loan to buy from them). Then they ask $100 for FFL transfer. I don't know what goes into being an FFL, but there has to be something wrong when there are FFL's out there that are only charging a fraction of that insane price. And not even going to begin with their ridiculously run range. But this is next level gouge! You can practically buy 3 shotguns for that! I was done with that place when the worker didn't know what a castle nut was... Sorry to go off but these guys are a real joke... I hope that was a typo...
That place IS a major ripoff!! I refuse to give them any on my money and I’m always directing people away from them.
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Isn’t MSRP on those around $800, with places selling for less before the panic ?
Definitely small kine panic gouge. Or maybe not as it sounds like they charge way over MSRP normally.
I used to go there for minor smithing from Brian.
But that was before they became membership required. ( Is membership fee still required for purchase?)
Haven’t been there since.
Country Club of gun shops and ranges ?
Just checked website. Basic Handgun Safety course. Only $299. :wacko:
Bruh that's a $500 shotgun
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Just checked website. Basic Handgun Safety course. Only $299. :wacko:
Lol! These people are out of their minds. But it is a business and they can price gouge if they like...
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Bruh that's a $500 shotgun
I was going by Mossberg’s MSRP, which theoretically should be the highest you find it.
You’re right though. Normal market value is way less.
(Pretty much all sold out though hence the panic gouge)
Store Price Other Information
Gunprime
$568.00
Shipping Rate: 9.99-29.99
Family Firearms
$595.81
Shipping Rate: 14.99
ManVenture Outpost
$608.52
Shipping Rate: Free S/H on Firearms
2nd Amendment Guns
1 more offer
$638.99
Shipping Rate: no info
Hinterland Outfitters
$659.00
Shipping Rate: $9.99 Flat Rate
Omaha Outdoors
$666.00
Shipping Rate: 29.95
Vizards Guns and Ammo
$699.99
Shipping Rate: Free
https://gun.deals/product/mossberg-590m-magazine-fed-12ga-185in-10rd-black-ghost-ring-sights-48999
Lol! These people are out of their minds. But it is a business and they can price gouge if they like..
Feed on the ignorant, panicky and I guess the rich. But it’s their prerogative.
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PRetty sure they're not paying retail from any of those listed.
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I can just picture you training a Democrat. Probably go something like this. "Ok, after loading your weapon and making sure it is ready to fire, look down the barrel and press the tigger.to make sure the round is discharging properly. Use a stick if you can't reach the trigger."
That is a HOOT!
Actually I'd do the best I can to make them safe.
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That has to be a typo, no? That place is a major ripoff to begin with, long before this recent craze, asking 'crazy person' prices for firearms (Glocks for $700+), ammo (5.56, .223/$1.50 per round), "gunsmithing services" :rofl: (dude tried to pass off a gouge in my friends barrel as a divot for the gas block screw!!! Wasn't even lined up), and novelty accessories (a lot of their stuff is toy-cheapy crap that fall to pieces in no time, what little legit stuff they have you need a loan to buy from them). Then they ask $100 for FFL transfer. I don't know what goes into being an FFL, but there has to be something wrong when there are FFL's out there that are only charging a fraction of that insane price. And not even going to begin with their ridiculously run range. But this is next level gouge! You can practically buy 3 shotguns for that! I was done with that place when the worker didn't know what a castle nut was... Sorry to go off but these guys are a real joke... I hope that was a typo...
The "gunsmithing" I saw was a range between hobbiest level to basic assembly. Maybe they've improved. A buddy's coworker came to the range with us one day and had a Glock 43 and an M&P 45 that were "smithed". Well, the 43 was malfunctioning alot and he mentioned that they did a "trigger job" and tweaked the extractor. The extractor explained the failures to extract and the "trigger job" explained the occasional misfire (later found to be light primer strikes). I've also seen some of their AR builds.
Anyways, their business and free to run how they see fit. I just won't stand to have friends ripped off. [end rant]
Moving on. Lots of other really good shops out there to support. Folks that I've known for years, have shot a lot with and gotten to know outside of the business setting and they are good people. Need more of them.
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OGC got 1k standard range 9mm for $350. Add them to the list of gouging. Two stores i will never buy from again.
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OGC got 1k standard range 9mm for $350. Add them to the list of gouging. Two stores i will never buy from again.
Federal site has the 147gr listed at $17.99/box MSRP, which makes $359.80 for 1K rounds.
Edit: Prices went up due to increased production.
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Hawaii's own "DICKS" >:D
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Federal site has the 147gr listed at $17.99/box MSRP, which makes $359.80 for 1K rounds.
Edit: Prices went up due to increased production.
Shouldn’t prices go down if production increased?
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Shouldn’t prices go down if production increased?
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Shouldn’t prices go down if production increased?
Production increases as a response to increases in demand.
Only if production EXCEEDS anticipated demand will the price be reduced.
As long as demand exceeds the production of the market (all manufacturers), the sellers can ask for higher prices -- and will get it.
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Shouldn’t prices go down if production increased?
Basic Economics Example
1. Let us first assume a downward sloping aggregate demand curve and upward sloping aggregate supply curve, as is the case of most products and services being sold in a capitalist economy; where the intersection of both curves shows the equilibrium price and quantity that balances the market.
2. If there is a sudden demand for any product, such as the current panic buying in ammunition; that event will essentially shift the aggregate demand curve to the right, resulting in a new equilibrium higher price that suppliers are willing to supply buyers, given their current production capacity.
3. Since suppliers know that this sudden demand shock for ammunition is panic based and not because of a permanent increase, at least not yet, of buyers that will continue to buy ammunition from now to the future; they will likely not make any additional production capacity improvements that would be necessary to permanently shift the aggregate supply curve right; which would bring prices and quantities of ammunition back to pre-crisis levels.
4. What does this means for the traditional 2nd Amendment shooters? We are going to have to live with higher prices, until the panic buyers frenzy ends. Once it does, the aggregate demand curve for ammunition will most likely slide back to its original pre-panic equilibrium position, resulting in the supply and prices we were familiar before the pandemic crisis.
Any questions?
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Shouldn’t prices go down if production increased?
Should go down with gradual rise in demand in normal times over the long term. This is the opposite where there is a spike in demand during an emergency in the short term.
Labor costs are higher because of overtime, paying benefits when bumping people up from part time to full time, etc. Difficulty in getting supplies and raw materials, or they may not be available the lowest cost. Difficulty in getting things from overseas like boxes or trays from China? Adjustments to working conditions due to COVID. Interruptions to transportation...
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Basic Economics Example
1. Let us first assume a downward sloping aggregate demand curve and upward sloping aggregate supply curve, as is the case of most products and services being sold in a capitalist economy; where the intersection of both curves shows the equilibrium price and quantity that balances the market.
2. If there is a sudden demand for any product, such as the current panic buying in ammunition; that event will essentially shift the aggregate demand curve to the right, resulting in a new equilibrium higher price that suppliers are willing to supply buyers, given their current production capacity.
3. Since suppliers know that this sudden demand shock for ammunition is panic based and not because of a permanent increase, at least not yet, of buyers that will continue to buy ammunition from now to the future; they will likely not make any additional production capacity improvements that would be necessary to permanently shift the aggregate supply curve right; which would bring prices and quantities of ammunition back to pre-crisis levels.
4. What does this means for the traditional 2nd Amendment shooters? We are going to have to live with higher prices, until the panic buyers frenzy ends. Once it does, the aggregate demand curve for ammunition will most likely slide back to its original pre-panic equilibrium position, resulting in the supply and prices we were familiar before the pandemic crisis.
Any questions?
Yes i have a question. With regards to the decrease in the marginal propensity to consume given the exodenous increase in supply chain instability, would you elaborate upon the impact non-linear demand would have on consumers under the premise that the expected utility theory would mandate supply side economic growth independant of the y axis aggregate demand volatility?
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Yes i have a question. With regards to the decrease in the marginal propensity to consume given the exodenous increase in supply chain instability, would you elaborate upon the impact non-linear demand would have on consumers under the premise that the expected utility theory would mandate supply side economic growth independant of the y axis aggregate demand volatility?
Heads
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Supply and Demand, Econ101
What I've found is that the guys buying my "overpriced" ammo were glad to get it, most knew prices and supply were cheaper before the pandemic but they'll admit that they got caught short for whatever reason and feel a need to get some ammo NOW. What is somewhat amusing to me is those that are making cracks about profiteering or wringing their hands and boo-hooing the evil gougers--I DON'T SEE YOU SELLING ANY OF YOUR STUFF AT PRE-PANIC/SHORTAGE PRICES. [Masamune's latest offering is probably the exception that proves the rule]
I fill that need as I see fit--I'm willing to let pretty large quantities of ammo go to others (200 to 500 rounds, 1K if someone really wants it). Meet me in town and have cash in hand. I'm not sanctimoniously doling out a few rounds at a time and putting obnoxious conditions on people to "qualify" to buy my ammo--if you want what I got, I'll sell it to you. Period. I don't need to know why you are buying ammo, that's your business.
As for X Ring, they run their business as they see fit. That's what CAPITALISM in the USA is all about. I probably won't give them any of my business, that's also what the USA is about--free will and making up your own mind. Public shaming went out with the Pilgrims.
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Heads
Egg-heads
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"Yes i have a question. With regards to the decrease in the marginal propensity to consume given the exodenous increase in supply chain instability,"
First of all, what presumptions are you making when you say supply chain instability? Was it revealed that there is a shortage of components, in this case, ammunition production?
"would you elaborate upon the impact non-linear demand would have on consumers under the premise that the expected utility theory would mandate supply side economic growth independant of the y axis aggregate demand volatility?"
In my understanding of game theory, the impact on consumers remains the same, they will continue to purchase ammunition at higher prices given their perception on both the short and long-term effects of the pandemic to the limit their finances can bear. As it stands, the fear of potential civil unrest and uncertainties of ammunition production without interruption due to mandatory shutdowns will be some of the main reasons that will provide the motivation for buyers to continue their panic buying despite higher ammunition costs.
As for your stated premise that suppliers will make decisions on their output independent of the current volatility of aggregate demand, I don't think that is applicable in this case.
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I guess I should rephrase what I meant. I should’ve said “you would think prices would go down as more supply comes on to the market.
I had incorrectly assumed that prices were higher before they started “increasing productivity”. It does make sense however that prices would go up if companies have to pay higher wages (longer hours, overtime, etc.).
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Supply and Demand, Econ101
What I've found is that the guys buying my "overpriced" ammo were glad to get it, most knew prices and supply were cheaper before the pandemic but they'll admit that they got caught short for whatever reason and feel a need to get some ammo NOW. What is somewhat amusing to me is those that are making cracks about profiteering or wringing their hands and boo-hooing the evil gougers--I DON'T SEE YOU SELLING ANY OF YOUR STUFF AT PRE-PANIC/SHORTAGE PRICES. [Masamune's latest offering is probably the exception that proves the rule]
I fill that need as I see fit--I'm willing to let pretty large quantities of ammo go to others (200 to 500 rounds, 1K if someone really wants it). Meet me in town and have cash in hand. I'm not sanctimoniously doling out a few rounds at a time and putting obnoxious conditions on people to "qualify" to buy my ammo--if you want what I got, I'll sell it to you. Period. I don't need to know why you are buying ammo, that's your business.
As for X Ring, they run their business as they see fit. That's what CAPITALISM in the USA is all about. I probably won't give them any of my business, that's also what the USA is about--free will and making up your own mind. Public shaming went out with the Pilgrims.
mahalo for making a thread that was not about you, about you...
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Supply and Demand, Econ101
What I've found is that the guys buying my "overpriced" ammo were glad to get it, most knew prices and supply were cheaper before the pandemic but they'll admit that they got caught short for whatever reason and feel a need to get some ammo NOW. What is somewhat amusing to me is those that are making cracks about profiteering or wringing their hands and boo-hooing the evil gougers--I DON'T SEE YOU SELLING ANY OF YOUR STUFF AT PRE-PANIC/SHORTAGE PRICES. [Masamune's latest offering is probably the exception that proves the rule]
I fill that need as I see fit--I'm willing to let pretty large quantities of ammo go to others (200 to 500 rounds, 1K if someone really wants it). Meet me in town and have cash in hand. I'm not sanctimoniously doling out a few rounds at a time and putting obnoxious conditions on people to "qualify" to buy my ammo--if you want what I got, I'll sell it to you. Period. I don't need to know why you are buying ammo, that's your business.
As for X Ring, they run their business as they see fit. That's what CAPITALISM in the USA is all about. I probably won't give them any of my business, that's also what the USA is about--free will and making up your own mind. Public shaming went out with the Pilgrims.
Someone needs a hug.
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Didn't someone just sell that shotgun on here for $500? They must not have seen that...
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:popcorn: Sorry nothing to add to this thread for now but put it on notify just in case of fireworks :thumbsup: ;D
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I don't shop there because of this and that's what freedom is.
They can advertise all they want. If there's people willing to pay for it then its their freedom as well.
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Never been there after reading all the nickel and dime shit ive read about, glad I stayed away...
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mahalo for making a thread that was not about you, about you...
it's always about me
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Someone needs a hug.
nah, keep your social distance
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Ye who shalt not stockpile shall suffer unto the price gouging
-prepper economics 101 :D
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Ye who shalt not stockpile shall suffer unto the price gouging
-prepper economics 101 :D
thus endeth the lesson ;)
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Ye who shalt not stockpile shall suffer unto the price gouging
-prepper economics 101 :D
if I were to sell something in these times, I wouldn't price gouge. that's just me. price would be the same as if I were selling it without the panic buying. i'm never about making a profit anyway, I'm not a business
I do realize prices will go up bc increasing demand and limited supply. but I don't agree with gouging prices.
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If you are running around trying to buy toilet paper, food, water, guns and ammunition now, it's too late.
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If you are running around trying to buy toilet paper, food, water, guns and ammunition now, it's too late.
One can always top up. Like with gas. Always keep it filled if possible but you still need to top up.
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if I were to sell something in these times, I wouldn't price gouge. that's just me. price would be the same as if I were selling it without the panic buying. i'm never about making a profit anyway, I'm not a business
I do realize prices will go up bc increasing demand and limited supply. but I don't agree with gouging prices.
Agreed. I've given away ammo to friends who were caught on the short end. I have a couple friends who are looking to have a little better "margin" on their stock, so would sell to them at cost, or at least what I remember I bought it for. Have a few group texts going with sort of an ammo exchange. See what one needs and there's usually someone who can help. That's what's awesome about the 2a community.
That said, I understand the business approach and supply and limited demand. I can definitely understand reasonable price increases in times like this. Same with premium for people who are willing to sell what they have, especially in times like this. However, there's definitely a point of obvious gouging. . .
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If you are running around trying to buy toilet paper, food, water, guns and ammunition now, it's too late.
I don't run. . . :rofl:
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If you are not going to take preparedness seriously until it is too late, then you had better learn to enjoy the taste of vampire junk
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I don't run. . . :rofl:
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me neither, old knee and foot injuries. :rofl:
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If you are not going to take preparedness seriously until it is too late, then you had better learn to enjoy the taste of vampire junk
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Wait... what?
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I could have tried a more g rated way to say it, but that would mean work
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I know I'm a moderator, but... discuss.......... ???
X-Ring price gouges? No way! I don’t believe it. :rofl:
I was one of the original letter writers for X-Ring to build their range. Was offered a discount on membership. They lied and did not keep their word. This is all very much documented on this forum. I stopped doing business with them after that.
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X-Ring price gouges? No way! I don’t believe it. :rofl:
I was one of the original letter writers for X-Ring to build their range. Was offered a discount on membership. They lied and did not keep their word. This is all very much documented on this forum. I stopped doing business with them after that.
I wasn't into the culture when this happened. But I did go there to buy an item since I was in the area. Told I need to pay for a membership. No thanks. Not like they're low prices like Costco where paying for a membership is worth it.
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Haven't been to xring since Brian left. Any body know where he ended up?
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I went there once about a year before the range was announced. I was looking around, and asked about the Mosin they had on display. It looked like a pig hunter had abused it, and didn't have any "collector-interesting" markings.
He wanted $150 more than I could get a rearsenaled ("refurbished" by the Soviets) 91/30 including all shipping, transfer and return shipping costs if I felt the rifle wasn't as advertised.
I also asked about transfers. I believe I was quoted $80 for the first and $30 for each additional firearm in the same purchase.
Never went back, even though driving to Waipahu from my home is super convenient compared to KHSC.
What turned me off of the range memberships was how they were offering discounts to their friends and family, but jacking the price sky high for everyone else.
Their business, so their policies. BUT .... MY MONEY! :thumbsup:
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Same with premium for people who are willing to sell what they have, especially in times like this. However, there's definitely a point of obvious gouging. . .
Check out Armslist for the $2500 S&W M&P15, the guy has 2 for sale at that price. Makes me want to raise my prices...yes Mac, it always ends up being about me >:D
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Check out Armslist for the $2500 S&W M&P15, the guy has 2 for sale at that price. Makes me want to raise my prices...yes Mac, it always ends up being about me >:D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V6GHnxEJjg&feature=share
Check out Brad Pitt’s last speech.
America is not a country, it’s a business.
And his shit about Thomas Jefferson.
All Men are Created Equal, but he let his kids work as slaves..... ( true or not, I don’t know)
Wrote some powerful words because he didn’t like being taxed by the British, to let the the rabble fight and die while he drank his wine. ( paraphrased)
Note: this does not reflect my personal views just observations that might make a little sense.
You want to know my personal views. Let’s have have a few beers or your cocktail of choice. :D
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Check out Armslist for the $2500 S&W M&P15, the guy has 2 for sale at that price. Makes me want to raise my prices...yes Mac, it always ends up being about me >:D
And you know who's gonna pay that insane price... someone who is not informed. Your feeding on the fact that they dont know any better and you see it as an opportunity to swindle them. The whole gouging thing is not a question of legality. It's not illegal for you to take advantage of these people. The gouging thing a morality thing. Capitalism is great, but business ethics is something that is a person/business practices when opting to be morally sound, pono or righteous. You can easily sell you ammo at even a slightly higher price than you got it for, but nearly double the going rate? Geez...
But whatever helps you sleep at night...
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If you are running around trying to buy toilet paper, food, water, guns and ammunition now, it's too late.
I wear a really nice carbon fiber Knee brace that the VA provided me.
I don't run much either.
I normally keep a six month supply of toilet paper stashed away.
When that runs out look up "Family cloths" and I can make a lot of Bleach.
I'm one of those "Prepper" types.
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XRing is literally 2 minutes from my house and I don't go there.
That's all I have to say about that.
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You can easily sell you ammo at even a slightly higher price than you got it for, but nearly double the going rate? Geez...
OK, put up or shut up...how much 9mm, 5.56, and SD loads are you selling at cost or slightly higher?
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First I just wanna say that jc is a solid guy.
And second, I bought a $400 lower receiver during the Sandy Hook fiasco when it looked like the ban was imminent and there was no stock on hand.
I had too many uppers and not enough lowers.
I knew what I was doing and made the conscious choice. Nice billet Black Rain lower though so not ridiculously overpriced at the time, but definitely overpriced.
Still glad I did and still own it.
Sometimes, when you need/want it, you’re willing to pay the price and grateful to get it.
I’ll never be caught in that same situation again though. (Hopefully)
For some reason I think it would be different for retailers though, especially if they are selling stock on hand.
Different if they’re buying new stock to get product in stock from suppliers who jacked the price.
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I offered to sell my friend ammo not at the price I got it for, which was on sale during the non panic period, but at "replacement" cost. That is, he could go look online at what a reputable place was selling ammo for, even if it said out of stock, which is most listings, and I would match that price. He could get it now and not pay for shipping which would be pretty expensive to Hawaii.
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First I just wanna say that jc is a solid guy.
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And a pake money launderer
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And a pake money launderer
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Yobo, not pake! :rofl:
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And a pake money launderer
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Yobo, not pake! :rofl:
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Check out Armslist for the $2500 S&W M&P15, the guy has 2 for sale at that price. Makes me want to raise my prices...yes Mac, it always ends up being about me >:D
"The other guys are worse"
Sounds like a Democrat campaign slogan
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Yobo, not pake! :rofl:
Dat even worse. LOL
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First I just wanna say that jc is a solid guy
I might not agree with his prices but JC's a good guy and if he was selling something I wanted I wouldn't hesitate to deal with him, he is a solid guy. I guess this thread is about him?
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OK, put up or shut up...how much 9mm, 5.56, and SD loads are you selling at cost or slightly higher?
I'm not selling any ammo because I dont have enough to let go. I have enough for me and my family, and I reload, so we all good. But if I did have extra, I wouldn't be selling it to where people have to overspend. And I wouldn't feel the need to defend myself if I thought there was nothing wrong with what I was doing. Never mind what other people say. Do what you like, but know some not gonna agree. And making $100 profit instead of $200 still good bro...
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To clarify....
1. JC is a friend, despite being yobo.
2. That picture of the money hanging up is his, not mine.
3. He is a fine marksman, seriously. He has beaten me in shooting matches (by being a skillful cheater).
4. I don't recall ever seeing him sell stuff at an unreasonable price.
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To clarify....
1. JC is a friend, despite being yobo.
2. That picture of the money hanging up is his, not mine.
3. He is a fine marksman, seriously. He has beaten me in shooting matches (by being a skillful cheater).
4. I don't recall ever seeing him sell stuff at an unreasonable price.
If you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin' hard enuf! :o
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why has this devolved into being all about...oh, yeah, nevermind! OK, Byeee! :stopjack:
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I seen the post about the moss berg 590 shotgun buds has it for $529 cash price. link below. kinda crazy. Whats funny is seeing democratic people wanting firearms and them after explaining to them the process to obtain a permit to get a firearm in the state and they are appalled buy it and want a gun now. Well you all wanted gun control. well this is it.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/cPath/2084_37_336/products_id/100884/Firearms/Shotguns/Mossberg/Mossberg+%26+Sons+-+590M+Mag-Fed+12+GA+18.5+Hvy-Walled%2C+Cyl+Bo
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I seen the post about the moss berg 590 shotgun buds has it for $529 cash price. link below. kinda crazy. Whats funny is seeing democratic people wanting firearms and them after explaining to them the process to obtain a permit to get a firearm in the state and they are appalled buy it and want a gun now. Well you all wanted gun control. well this is it.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/cPath/2084_37_336/products_id/100884/Firearms/Shotguns/Mossberg/Mossberg+%26+Sons+-+590M+Mag-Fed+12+GA+18.5+Hvy-Walled%2C+Cyl+Bo
Personally, I don't want any Democrat to have a gun
or depend on guns for protection.
Guns are BAD things.
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I seen the post about the moss berg 590 shotgun buds has it for $529 cash price. link below. kinda crazy. Whats funny is seeing democratic people wanting firearms and them after explaining to them the process to obtain a permit to get a firearm in the state and they are appalled buy it and want a gun now. Well you all wanted gun control. well this is it.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/cPath/2084_37_336/products_id/100884/Firearms/Shotguns/Mossberg/Mossberg+%26+Sons+-+590M+Mag-Fed+12+GA+18.5+Hvy-Walled%2C+Cyl+Bo
Why get it for $600 including shipping and transfer fee when you can pay $999.99 + membership fee locally ? :wacko:
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shop local support local
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There are plenty of local businesses that suck and charge the "If you want it now then you gotta pay extra" premium. It is a major reason that Amazon is so popular here. A lot of local business people do not understand that loyalty is worth way more than the few extra bucks you managed to scam out of someone. Then again I think it is partly a result of having such a huge turnover of temporary residents and military, many of whom are takers themselves. The starvation mentality definitely limits ones thinking to the short term, though.
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Those guys over there at that place are such pirates my buddy dated the owners daughter and all she cared about was money he said so sad there are people like that screwing over other gun owners were suppose to be a giant family. Will never give them my money or send anyone to then just like OGC!!!!!!!
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Tmy buddy dated the owners daughter and all she cared about was money
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That is more of the rule than the exception :rofl: :rofl:
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That is more of the rule than the exception :rofl: :rofl:
On our second or third date my wife made it known that she doesn’t lend money to anyone. So don’t ask. And she started asking me about my plans for the future. She was quite adamant about not dating a bum again. :rofl:
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On our second or third date my wife made it known that she doesn’t lend money to anyone. So don’t ask. And she started asking me about my plans for the future. She was quite adamant about not dating a bum again. :rofl:
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I'll bite....how did she end up with a bum like you?
drugs? torture? blackmail? Hypnosis? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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On our second or third date my wife made it known that she doesn’t lend money to anyone. So don’t ask. And she started asking me about my plans for the future. She was quite adamant about not dating a bum again. :rofl:
I married my wife because I thought she was filthy
rich.
That is my story and I'm sticking to it.
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I married my wife because I thought she was filthy
rich.
That is my story and I'm sticking to it.
Jalike my Potogee friend. He tot his girlfriend waz one rich Japanee becus she dres real sharp. Den he find out she one po Yobo. He go brok up wit her even though she was real hot.
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Jalike my Potogee friend. He tot his girlfriend waz one rich Japanee becus she dres real sharp. Den he find out she one po Yobo. He go brok up wit her even though she was real hot.
I can not do Local like you do,
But you are Puna guy.
All the "Potogee" guys I know are
interesting people to say the least.
I've been married going on 43 years and I still haven't found her
money. But she is rich.
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I'll bite....how did she end up with a bum like you?
drugs? torture? blackmail? Hypnosis? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It was my 12” personality. :shake: :shake: :shake:
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It was my 12” personality. :shake: :shake: :shake:
Custom sized Anaconda? 😳
:rofl:
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Custom sized Anaconda? 😳
:rofl:
Trouser Snake! :rofl:
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I married my wife because I thought she was filthy
rich.
That is my story and I'm sticking to it.
As long as she's just "filthy", you still came out ahead! :rofl:
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Did one need to be a member to buy stuff from them at the gun show?
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my buddy dated the owners daughter and all she cared about was money he said so sad...
The owners daughter: (With all due respect, She’s not hard to look at)
www.instagram.com/imaekiss/?hl=en
Mods delete if inappropriate but it’s a public Instagram account and I assume she makes money off it as the photos have the brand pop ups on some of them.
What happened to Speedy and Brian ?
And did you have to pay for a membership to buy from them at the gun show as mentioned above?
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The owners daughter: (With all due respect, She’s not hard to look at)
www.instagram.com/imaekiss/?hl=en
Mods delete if inappropriate but it’s a public Instagram account and I assume she makes money off it as the photos have the brand pop ups on some of them.
What happened to Speedy and Brian ?
And did you have to pay for a membership to buy from them at the gun show as mentioned above?
Who owns that place anyways?
Well, she isn't Tori Nonaka as far as skill level.
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Who owns that place anyways?
The owners daughter's father . . . try to keep up.
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The owners daughter's father . . . try to keep up.
focus
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focus
heads
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The owners daughter's father . . . try to keep up.
What the pho?!
#distressed
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Trouser Snake! :rofl:
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found a picture of you squeezing your snake
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Inspector’s Packin’ pure Local Blind Snake ?
(As opposed to pure Alabama Black Snake which may be too Boku)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUCu0t2V3os&feature=share
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The owners daughter's father . . . try to keep up.
:rofl: :rofl:
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found a picture of you squeezing your snake
(https://i.postimg.cc/0QtX7PRX/snakeY.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LY1Vpdsj)
Wrong size, right color! :rofl:
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I was talking to someone recently and the supposed story was that X-Ring bought the guns at retail price somewhere else so the markup was necessary for them to make some profit and not really price gouging. Haven't confirmed the story but something to consider.
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I was talking to someone recently and the supposed story was that X-Ring bought the guns at retail price somewhere else so the markup was necessary for them to make some profit and not really price gouging. Haven't confirmed the story but something to consider.
Nobody made them buy at retail. Dealers buy with the intention to resell. They would not have purchased at retail if they didn't count on being able to make a profit selling at even higher prices due to panic buying.
Whether it fits your definition of price gouging or not, it's still taking advantage of the pandemic to make a buck -- i.e. profiteering. A distinction without a difference.
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Nobody made them buy at retail. Dealers buy with the intention to resell. They would not have purchased at retail if they didn't count on being able to make a profit selling at even higher prices due to panic buying.
Whether it fits your definition of price gouging or not, it's still taking advantage of the pandemic to make a buck -- i.e. profiteering. A distinction without a difference.
I would have to disagree. If I owned a gun show and a customer came in saying he wanted a particular gun but I couldn't get it at wholesale price then I would tell my customer I have to buy it at retail and charge him accordingly for my time and expense. If they are hiding the reason why it is so expensive then it is dishonest but if they did buy it at wholesale and inform the customer then it is the customer's decision. Raising prices just because you can in a panic is not respectable but if they are only adding the usual markup to their products and just the initial cost is more because they couldn't get it at wholesale then that's just regular business.
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I would have to disagree. If I owned a gun show and a customer came in saying he wanted a particular gun but I couldn't get it at wholesale price then I would tell my customer I have to buy it at retail and charge him accordingly for my time and expense. If they are hiding the reason why it is so expensive then it is dishonest but if they did buy it at wholesale and inform the customer then it is the customer's decision. Raising prices just because you can in a panic is not respectable but if they are only adding the usual markup to their products and just the initial cost is more because they couldn't get it at wholesale then that's just regular business.
I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I would have to disagree. If I owned a gun show and a customer came in saying he wanted a particular gun but I couldn't get it at wholesale price then I would tell my customer I have to buy it at retail and charge him accordingly for my time and expense. If they are hiding the reason why it is so expensive then it is dishonest but if they did buy it at wholesale and inform the customer then it is the customer's decision. Raising prices just because you can in a panic is not respectable but if they are only adding the usual markup to their products and just the initial cost is more because they couldn't get it at wholesale then that's just regular business.
If you were an HONEST gun show owner (assuming you meant exhibitor, not the owner of the show), you would tell the prospective buyer the name of the company/person who has that weapon, since you obvious already know it's available.
Inserting yourself as the middle man just to make your little "time and expense" upcharge is not part of any business plan. It's an opportunistic tactic to take someone's money without providing a single bit of benefit or increased value.
You're basically saying, "Bud's Guns has that for $500 with shipping. Pay me that, plus my transfer fee and overhead, and I'll get it for you for $580."
It's profiteering. Nobody can argue it's not.
Profiteer: make or seek to make an excessive or unfair profit.
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I saw the same gun on various sites and ranged from $350-500ish and like over a dozen of them available.
If they paid retail, then they got ripped off. Gun stores dont pay retail for guns.
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I would have to disagree. If I owned a gun show and a customer came in saying he wanted a particular gun but I couldn't get it at wholesale price then I would tell my customer I have to buy it at retail and charge him accordingly for my time and expense. If they are hiding the reason why it is so expensive then it is dishonest but if they did buy it at wholesale and inform the customer then it is the customer's decision. Raising prices just because you can in a panic is not respectable but if they are only adding the usual markup to their products and just the initial cost is more because they couldn't get it at wholesale then that's just regular business.
That's ridiculous. I've been told by FAIR and HONEST gun shops, if they cannot get it from their distributors, then go order it on gunbroker or wherever you can get a good deal, and they'll do the FFL stuff for me. Making like they purchase at retail is dishonest.
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I don't shop there or ever plan to but it is a free market. They can price what ever they want.
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That's ridiculous. I've been told by FAIR and HONEST gun shops, if they cannot get it from their distributors, then go order it on gunbroker or wherever you can get a good deal, and they'll do the FFL stuff for me. Making like they purchase at retail is dishonest.
Or plain stupid, also to think people would believe such a story.
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We need a Bass Pro or Dick's here on Oahu. Too bad Sport Authority went belly up!
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We need a Bass Pro or Dick's here on Oahu. Too bad Sport Authority went belly up!
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Dick's????
I don't think so.
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We need a Bass Pro or Dick's here on Oahu. Too bad Sport Authority went belly up!
Read how dicks feels about the 2a. I will never shop there.
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That's ridiculous. I've been told by FAIR and HONEST gun shops, if they cannot get it from their distributors, then go order it on gunbroker or wherever you can get a good deal, and they'll do the FFL stuff for me. Making like they purchase at retail is dishonest.
It was just the rumor I had heard. Not saying it was true or not.
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It was just the rumor I had heard. Not saying it was true or not.
In other words, you're propagating fake news.
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Read how dicks feels about the 2a. I will never shop there.
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I heard you like dicks...
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I heard you like dicks...
Heads
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Read how dicks feels about the 2a. I will never shop there.
I know how dicks feel... wait, what?
We need a Bass Pro or Dick's here on Oahu. Too bad Sport Authority went belly up!
No Dicks here... wait, what?
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Heads
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In other words, you're propagating fake news.
Nope. You are conflating two different things there.
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Nope. You are conflating two different things there.
Spreading unsubstantiated rumors = fake news.
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I was talking to someone recently and the supposed story was that X-Ring bought the guns at retail price somewhere else so the markup was necessary for them to make some profit and not really price gouging. Haven't confirmed the story but something to consider.
Suppose that the person who told you this did so deliberately because they knew that you’d repeat it in a public forum and get yourself in trouble? I’d advise you to avoid that side of the exhibition hall in the fall. I’m no attorney but writing false things about a business is libelous especially of they have records that demonstrate otherwise.
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Spreading unsubstantiated rumors = fake news.
False.
I clearly stated that it was something I had heard and didn't know if it was true. Mentioning the existence of a rumor for discussion is not the same as spreading a rumor.
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Suppose that the person who told you this did so deliberately because they knew that you’d repeat it in a public forum and get yourself in trouble? I’d advise you to avoid that side of the exhibition hall in the fall. I’m no attorney but writing false things about a business is libelous especially of they have records that demonstrate otherwise.
#1 Nothing I mentioned about the business was negative in nature so it would be hard for them to claim damages.
#2 Reporting the existence of a rumor would be something very difficult to sue over.
I am not worried.
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False.
I clearly stated that it was something I had heard and didn't know if it was true. Mentioning the existence of a rumor for discussion is not the same as spreading a rumor.
Why post a rumor with no idea if it's true? That's no better than idle gossip. It accomplishes nothing other than to spread lies.
Where's the value in posting a rumor you can't/didn't verify? If it is found to be false, you may be guilty of libel against the company you commented on.
Too bad you refuse to admit you were wrong. I grew up in a time when gossip and rumors were understood to be a sin -- causing nothing but conflict and dishonest opinions of others with potentially no foundation in the truth.
But, you go ahead and believe you did nothing wrong. We all know what you did. One day I hope a subpoena in a civil action against you does a better job of explaining it to you.
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When you hear a rumor, to not spread it you have to keep it to yourself. If you regurgitate it in any context, whether maliciously or to merely start a discussion, and the person with whom you are having the discussion, or anyone around, has never heard about it, well then you've just spread the rumor. That is the definition of spreading rumors. This many people knew the rumor... you opened your mouth around virgin ears... and now more people know the rumor. A fairly simple concept, really...
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When you hear a rumor, to not spread it you have to keep it to yourself. If you regurgitate it in any context, whether maliciously or to merely start a discussion, and the person with whom you are having the discussion, or anyone around, has never heard about it, well then you've just spread the rumor. That is the definition of spreading rumors. This many people knew the rumor... you opened your mouth around virgin ears... and now more people know the rumor. A fairly simple concept, really...
Simple, yet in our pop culture, rumor and gossip sells.
It teaches bad habits. More often than not, people spread rumors to make themselves feel more important. "Listen to me! I know something juicy about so-and-so!"
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OGC got 1k standard range 9mm for $350. Add them to the list of gouging. Two stores i will never buy from again.
Gonna spread BS make sure you got your facts right. Only thing that expensive was Federal 147gr. Thats NOT standard range ammo. Standard range ammo is cheaper lines like CCI Blazer, PMC etc which when we had it was STILL $249/1000 which is what we sold 180 cases at. Currently even Federal 115gr is DEALER cost at $12/box including shipping to our door so $240 per k and we sell at $299. $59 or 20% markup per case. You think that gouging not much I can say
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Why post a rumor with no idea if it's true? That's no better than idle gossip. It accomplishes nothing other than to spread lies.
Where's the value in posting a rumor you can't/didn't verify? If it is found to be false, you may be guilty of libel against the company you commented on.
Too bad you refuse to admit you were wrong. I grew up in a time when gossip and rumors were understood to be a sin -- causing nothing but conflict and dishonest opinions of others with potentially no foundation in the truth.
But, you go ahead and believe you did nothing wrong. We all know what you did. One day I hope a subpoena in a civil action against you does a better job of explaining it to you.
L M F A O #micdrop
False.
I clearly stated that it was something I had heard and didn't know if it was true. Mentioning the existence of a rumor for discussion is not the same as spreading a rumor.
I’m not a “white knight” for them by any means, nor am I saying that someone can’t freely express their opinion on something. An opinion is different than spreading or repeating unsubstantiated rumors or claims. Especially if they have documentation to the contrary, like say, an invoice from a distributor. And you’re right, they probably won’t go after you because it wouldn’t be worth their time.
As far as the OP goes, yeah, that’s pretty pricey for a mag fed shotty. (Note EEF how i expressed my opinion without resorting to unsubstantiated rumor and didn’t post something that is libelous since I don’t know for sure.)
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Not spreading anything guy. You posted your price. You have every right to charge what you charge. I posted my opinion on your price. I have every right to state my opinion. I bought that same federal ammo at 147grn for range shooting from another LGS for $200/1k. That is why I stated my opinion. I underatand inflation and that LGS wanting to make a little more profit during these times but your price is a 75% mark up from what I usually get them for. Don't be mad bro. Do you. Obviously your successful at it.
Gonna spread BS make sure you got your facts right. Only thing that expensive was Federal 147gr. Thats NOT standard range ammo. Standard range ammo is cheaper lines like CCI Blazer, PMC etc which when we had it was STILL $249/1000 which is what we sold 180 cases at. Currently even Federal 115gr is DEALER cost at $12/box including shipping to our door so $240 per k and we sell at $299. $59 or 20% markup per case. You think that gouging not much I can say
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Why post a rumor with no idea if it's true? That's no better than idle gossip. It accomplishes nothing other than to spread lies.
False.
Where's the value in posting a rumor you can't/didn't verify?
To let others know that there may be more to the story than initially reported upon. So that others may consider a possible explanation in forming an opinion.
If it is found to be false, you may be guilty of libel against the company you commented on.
And what would their damages be?
Too bad you refuse to admit you were wrong.
Nothing I said was proven false nor did I make any positive claims of fact. Strawman
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When you hear a rumor, to not spread it you have to keep it to yourself. If you regurgitate it in any context, whether maliciously or to merely start a discussion, and the person with whom you are having the discussion, or anyone around, has never heard about it, well then you've just spread the rumor. That is the definition of spreading rumors. This many people knew the rumor... you opened your mouth around virgin ears... and now more people know the rumor. A fairly simple concept, really...
That is not always the case.
There is a difference between spreading a rumor for gossip sakes, for example "Flappier has pink armpit hair". It serves no real value of any sort.
However the nature of this thread is one of judgement of the actions of a company without knowing the reasons why they set the particular price. In my instance, I stated what I had heard as a possible explanation so that people who wish to rush or come to a judgement would have an additional bit of information with which to consider in their judgement. In essence the "rumor", as you call it, really is an exercise in refraining from jumping to conclusions. And in so doing I clearly stated that this was what I heard and was unsubstantiated thereby allowing all who read it to know that it was not to be taken as a certainty but as an item to consider. Let me ask you which is worse, everyone jumping on a claim of price gouging without knowing any explanation, or mentioning a possible explanation for the priced based on what you heard for someone else? I made my choice and I stand by it. I heard a possible explanation so I mentioned it for others to consider with the disclaimer that it was unverified.
There is a significant difference between the two. If you don't want to acknowledge the difference I certainly can't make you. Aloha