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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Brystont1 on April 02, 2020, 01:14:56 PM
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Is there a reason why no one has opened a private outdoor shooting range on Oahu? No space? Too expensive? Too much complainers
I would think an outdoor range on the west side would be a pretty good idea.
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Not Oahu but the Big Island used to have a indoor range in Hilo. Never went there but I was glad there was a venue in town. Unfortunately they closed down, I think it was for family health reasons so they tried to sell all their assets or change ownership but no one was willing to take up the deal so we don’t have a indoor range in town without having to drive out 16mi up the mountain to the 100yd public range.
I’d imagine noise would be a issue especially for a island with a large population, cost to get a permit and such, cost of land, and liability.
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I have my own range on my property on the BI. 15 and 50 yds. No close neighbors and I hear gun shots all the time around me. The closest neighbor on my South side, about 300 yards away, told my wife don't worry when you hear gunshots from his direction. He is just doing target practice. She told him my husband does the same. I live in what even some BI people said is the boonies, but I love it here.
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Difficult to open a commercial or a private range open to the public unless you can find the perfect spot in a remote area. Doable for your own private range.
Besides what you mentioned, noise complaints, zoning, large downrange impact area, environmental impact, costly lead removal, etc.
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Difficult to open a commercial or a private range open to the public unless you can find the perfect spot in a remote area. Doable for your own private range.
Besides what you mentioned, noise complaints, zoning, large downrange impact area, environmental impact, costly lead removal, etc.
Don't forget all the "campaign contributions" to the city council, zoning commission, building permit office, inspectors, EPA, neighborhood boards and #distressed Hawaiian protesters/protectors.
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I always wished / hoped maybe we would have someone who had hookups within the "ranch" community and could setup simple prs or 22elr shooting. Would have a small fee to enter as to compensate for the owners time and land. Obviously the hardest part is having the trust to allow people to do that, one neglitent discharge in the wrong area and the whole thing will turn to shit. But the reward would be great as it would be the only way to have a community of shooters who can come together and learn from one another. Plus it would be in a non-club setting that isnt limited to dod, military, etc.
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There was a private shooting range at Tradewinds Ranch. We went a couple of times. Short range about 40yds. It was a lot of fun, they had tons of steel targets. We shot pistols and rifles. Everyone brought their own firearms and ammo and we had a blast! Literally! Then towards the end we shot clays. Dont know if they still got it. Yelp says they closed down...
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Is there a reason why no one has opened a private outdoor shooting range on Oahu? No space? Too expensive? Too much complainers
I would think an outdoor range on the west side would be a pretty good idea.
There are private outdoor ranges on Oahu but they are either invite only or ranges specifically for classes.
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There was a private shooting range at Tradewinds Ranch. We went a couple of times. Short range about 40yds. It was a lot of fun, they had tons of steel targets. We shot pistols and rifles. Everyone brought their own firearms and ammo and we had a blast! Literally! Then towards the end we shot clays. Dont know if they still got it. Yelp says they closed down...
Sorry for the necro, but this is even more relevant now that Kokohead and Puuloa range are closed. Tradewinds is open and has been holding CCW quals. There's another one at Waianae, but I don't think I'm privy to share the exact place for that one.
Are there any other private ranges on Oahu who are open to accommodate CCW quals or just to plink? The indoor ranges nearby are either too expensive or too far.
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Sorry for the necro, but this is even more relevant now that Kokohead and Puuloa range are closed. Tradewinds is open and has been holding CCW quals. There's another one at Waianae, but I don't think I'm privy to share the exact place for that one.
Are there any other private ranges on Oahu who are open to accommodate CCW quals or just to plink? The indoor ranges nearby are either too expensive or too far.
Pu'uloa is not closed. It is just closed to the public. There are a lot of hoops to jump through to shoot there.
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Pu'uloa is not closed. It is just closed to the public. There are a lot of hoops to jump through to shoot there.
Alright, let me be more clear: are they any places open to the public, who can't be bothered to jump any more hoops other than permission from the range owner?
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A proper outdoor range is costly and there are many restrictions. Can't be near housing due to noise. Need a safe downrange using. A mountain as a backstop or a mile of unpopulated land downrange. Lead cleanup. Zoning laws makes large plot of commercial land expensive, or doing commercial activities on AG land has limits. Most of all, liability makes it a no go for many large landowners.
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Alright, let me be more clear: are they any places open to the public, who can't be bothered to jump any more hoops other than permission from the range owner?
I don't see that happening on Oahu, a range open to anyone. For all the reasons I stated above.
To get access to the private ranges you have to build the relationships and make friends. Join shooting clubs and meet people. Volunteer. Take classes at those ranges. Show you can shoot safely.
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Pu'uloa is not closed. It is just closed to the public. There are a lot of hoops to jump through to shoot there.
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DOD can or no?
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DOD can or no?
Can if you have good karma.
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A proper outdoor range is costly and there are many restrictions. Can't be near housing due to noise. Need a safe downrange using. A mountain as a backstop or a mile of unpopulated land downrange. Lead cleanup. Zoning laws makes large plot of commercial land expensive, or doing commercial activities on AG land has limits. Most of all, liability makes it a no go for many large landowners.
Lots of private ranges on the BI.
We aren't Democrat Johnson sucking pussy cats.
That is the question I have for you is why do you
need a government sanctioned
anything?
Hawaii government is shit.
Other than roads and fire department,. I don't need anything from
local government.
And the only reason I need the fire department is so I
can get home insurance.
Y'all figure out how to get that kind of freedom.
:love:
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Alright, let me be more clear: are they any places open to the public, who can't be bothered to jump any more hoops other than permission from the range owner?
Short answer, No!
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get a boat
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There used to be quite a few opportunities to shoot on private property on Oahu, but less and less over the past 2-3 months or so "thanks" to the selfish acts of a few. . .
I wouldn't call Tradewinds Ranch "open". If you know the owner of the property (who is a really cool guy and staunch 2a supporter), you may be able to get time slots to shoot there. Last I recall, the situations with neighboring properties got tighter, so who knows how that will affect availability.
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heads
There used to be quite a few opportunities to shoot on private property on Oahu, but less and less over the past 2-3 months or so "thanks" to the selfish acts of a few. . .
I wouldn't call Tradewinds Ranch "open". If you know the owner of the property (who is a really cool guy and staunch 2a supporter), you may be able to get time slots to shoot there. Last I recall, the situations with neighboring properties got tighter, so who knows how that will affect availability.
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That's the problem with private ranges. If they get too popular and busy, they get shut down.
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every once in a great while I go to a friend of a friend's farm and shoot. but I haven't been there in a while
one draw back is my SUV gets super dirty driving on the farm's dirt roads. small kine off roading
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every once in a great while I go to a friend of a friend's farm and shoot. but I haven't been there in a while
one draw back is my SUV gets super dirty driving on the farm's dirt roads. small kine off roading
Two words: rental car.
:geekdanc: :thumbsup:
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i just get "a friend" to drive
except sometimes, he/she/it almost crashes...
every once in a great while I go to a friend of a friend's farm and shoot. but I haven't been there in a while
one draw back is my SUV gets super dirty driving on the farm's dirt roads. small kine off roading
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Don't forget all the "campaign contributions" to the city council, zoning commission, building permit office, inspectors, EPA, neighborhood boards and #distressed Hawaiian protesters/protectors.
Yup... the cost of doing business in Hawaii :grrr:
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A proper outdoor range is costly and there are many restrictions. Can't be near housing due to noise. Need a safe downrange using. A mountain as a backstop or a mile of unpopulated land downrange. Lead cleanup. Zoning laws makes large plot of commercial land expensive, or doing commercial activities on AG land has limits. Most of all, liability makes it a no go for many large landowners.
All of the above are true but even in remote area's with all of the above, the main reason for denial is liability.
If a shooter or group of shooters is "referred" to the land owner, the land owner may feel more comfortable allowing them to shoot on their land but if they "F" up or are unsafe, it may draw bad feelings between the referrer and the land owner and the referrer may lose their privileges (as well as a relationship).
If you owned "shootable" land, would YOU let ANYBODY use it for that purpose even for High profit ?
Is it worth the risk ?
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I recall there was an outdoor range in Waialua called "US Gun Range" that was run by Daniel Oshima, if I'm not mistaken. The firing distance was about 15 to 20 yards with a mountainside as a backstop. I recall shooting there a handful of times. It was a nice private setting that allowed my friends and I to get some good practice time. Downside was the long drive. This was well over a decade ago. I'm not sure of the reasons they closed.
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I have my own range on my property on the BI. 15 and 50 yds. No close neighbors and I hear gun shots all the time around me. The closest neighbor on my South side, about 300 yards away, told my wife don't worry when you hear gunshots from his direction. He is just doing target practice. She told him my husband does the same. I live in what even some BI people said is the boonies, but I love it here.
Most all of us here on BI live in the "boonies".
:shaka:
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I'm willing to be a member of a private outdoor shooting range. I know the membership costs will be high but like everyone seems to agree it's the liability factor.
So with the proper liability insurance passed on to members plus the operating costs of running the range, it needs to be a win-win for both the owners and the members.
And there should be strict rules on safety and range protocols. And training classes and suspensions all the way up to total ban from the range for members that disregard the rules of protocol and safety.
They have private Golf Clubs. Let's have private outdoor shooting ranges.
So just like some can go Punahou and Iolani, others have to go to Leilehua or Kahuku. (KHSC)
Main thing get somewhere to go for everybody. :D ;D :crazy: :thumbsup: :shaka:
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I'm willing to be a member of a private outdoor shooting range. I know the membership costs will be high but like everyone seems to agree it's the liability factor.
Main thing get somewhere to go for everybody. :D ;D :crazy: :thumbsup: :shaka:
Another issue is the private ranges that are around are pretty much booked solid with existing friends and family using the range for training, classes and just plain old open shoot.
As most of this happens on weekends, there's not a lot of room for additional shooters.
Where I go is a private property, gated and secured, we've all known the owners for years and some of us decades.
So if other than F & F who know the code's and manage the gates and livestock came, someone would have to let them on and off the property, make sure all of the livestock gates between there and the range get closed as well as "vet" new people.
Speaking of which, just in the past 2 month's, how many times have you heard of people (including instructors) on private ranges having ND's, hanging targets on fruit bearing trees and shooting them up and even the shooting of livestock on the property ?
Historically, there have been more than a couple of "well known" instructors bounced from this range, and for good reason.
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every once in a great while I go to a friend of a friend's farm and shoot. but I haven't been there in a while
one draw back is my SUV gets super dirty driving on the farm's dirt roads. small kine off roading
That's part of the fun! Get out and smell the clean(er/ish) country air! Until you drive past a bunch of cows with diarrhea ;D
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i just get "a friend" to drive
except sometimes, he/she/it almost crashes...
??? :o
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Another issue is the private ranges that are around are pretty much booked solid with existing friends and family using the range for training, classes and just plain old open shoot.
As most of this happens on weekends, there's not a lot of room for additional shooters.
Where I go is a private property, gated and secured, we've all known the owners for years and some of us decades.
So if other than F & F who know the code's and manage the gates and livestock came, someone would have to let them on and off the property, make sure all of the livestock gates between there and the range get closed as well as "vet" new people.
Speaking of which, just in the past 2 month's, how many times have you heard of people (including instructors) on private ranges having ND's, hanging targets on fruit bearing trees and shooting them up and even the shooting of livestock on the property ?
Historically, there have been more than a couple of "well known" instructors bounced from this range, and for good reason.
Yup, heard more than a couple instances of folks either not following the rules or pushing the limits of what the property owners has laid out. Resulting in folks getting "bounced", as well as ruining it for others. Good thing you don't know any of those folks. . .
I also think due to various reasons, there are a ton of folks that either new to shooting or haven't shot regularly in a long time seeking classes, instruction, qualification, etc. That's great, however it also comes with higher vigilance with those folks. Some of which I have heard didn't take the oversight well. . .
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You know, this is why it wouldn't be so bad if we had fair and Constitution loving politicians. Even if they have differing viewpoints on the 2a issue, they should be professionals and make sure public ranges like KHSC get the proper funding to maintain and upkeep the facilities and also making sure safety and lead testing protocols are in place, along with on-going training for the RSO's.
It seems that for decades the issue(s) at KHSC was swept under the rug, probably funding was put on the backburner due to lack of money or maybe just politicians who hate the 2a so won't fight for the funding KHSC needs.
And did they (our leaders) even try to explore the idea of public assistance in running KHSC? I'm pretty sure there are tons of 2a members willing to volunteer to maintain and help run the ranges to help keep costs down. Yes, there are liability concerns but there are such things as waivers the volunteers can sign.
How about the City lease certain areas of KHSC to private entities and have them run them as a business? Anything is possible, but I seem to think our leaders won't even go there.
Then maybe the discussion of private outdoor ranges wouldn't be much of a concern for the 2a community.
I agree 100% about being wary of opening private land to shooters if I owned land. Liability is the biggest concern but liability can be circumvented through proper planning, membership fees, vetting, security, and serious consequences for violating range and safety protocols.
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wall wall wall!!!
??? :o
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wall wall wall!!!
https://youtu.be/axWVMr-RpMM
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https://youtu.be/axWVMr-RpMM
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Going off subject I listened to the live concert version from Berlin of this in Sequim ,WA
in the very early morning hours, while on my sail boat. Berlin wall had fallen.
When will we knock down our Democrat fabricated gun wall?
:wave:
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Going off subject I listened to the live concert version from Berlin of this in Sequim ,WA
in the very early morning hours, while on my sail boat. Berlin wall had fallen.
When will we knock down our Democrat fabricated gun wall?
:wave:
you experienced with flintlocks?
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Going off subject I listened to the live concert version from Berlin of this in Sequim ,WA
in the very early morning hours, while on my sail boat. Berlin wall had fallen.
When will we knock down our Democrat fabricated gun wall?
:wave:
Saw him live summer of "75".
Din't "need no education"
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you experienced with flintlocks?
Yes, but it has been a while.
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And did they (our leaders) even try to explore the idea of public assistance in running KHSC? I'm pretty sure there are tons of 2a members willing to volunteer to maintain and help run the ranges to help keep costs down. Yes, there are liability concerns but there are such things as waivers the volunteers can sign.
Just floating an idea. What about a small fee to use the range($5), but the fee waived for people who are registered volunteers. Then if someone was interested in volunteering, they would take a class on proper safety and operation of the range, have a little time with a someone trained, and have their info on a list. That way they could volunteer when they want, or be contacted when people might be needed. I would think you would get enough people volunteering that you would have a full educated staff. I mean you could volunteer for half a day, and shoot the other half, you're already there. Also the range could bring in money for maintenance, remediation, and even improvements.
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Just floating an idea. What about a small fee to use the range($5), but the fee waived for people who are registered volunteers. Then if someone was interested in volunteering, they would take a class on proper safety and operation of the range, have a little time with a someone trained, and have their info on a list. That way they could volunteer when they want, or be contacted when people might be needed. I would think you would get enough people volunteering that you would have a full educated staff. I mean you could volunteer for half a day, and shoot the other half, you're already there. Also the range could bring in money for maintenance, remediation, and even improvements.
Unions don't like it when the public voluntarily does work for the city/county/state that union labor could get paid to do instead. They see it as government taking money out of the union members' pockets by getting the job done for free.
And the politicians tend to go with how the unions feel.
Basically, unless there's money budgeted to pay for the work, the work just doesn't get done in spite of volunteers standing ready to help.
Then there are the liability aspects.
First type is accidental injury. What if a volunteer gets injured? Does the government agency they were helping have to pay? Does that open up a risk of being sued?
The second type is accidental damage by the volunteers. If a volunteer does something that causes damage -- like shorts out the electrical system with a faulty power tool or uses materials that don't meet code -- who pays to have those kinds of things fixed or done properly?
My girls were in Girl Scouts, and in order for the scouts and their parents to attend overnight camping , swim in the Girl Scout Camp's pool, etc., everyone had to belong to the Girl Scouts so they are covered under the Council's insurance policy. I still have my Girl Scout membership card. :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
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Just floating an idea. What about a small fee to use the range($5), but the fee waived for people who are registered volunteers. Then if someone was interested in volunteering, they would take a class on proper safety and operation of the range, have a little time with a someone trained, and have their info on a list. That way they could volunteer when they want, or be contacted when people might be needed. I would think you would get enough people volunteering that you would have a full educated staff. I mean you could volunteer for half a day, and shoot the other half, you're already there. Also the range could bring in money for maintenance, remediation, and even improvements.
I am against the fee because unless its GUARANTEED to go towards improving yhe range the City will use it for what ever they want. No 'studies' to improve the range but solid tangible reaults. This State is good at wasting tax payer monies on stupid stuff.
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$5 won't do much, would have to be like $10-$15 to make it worth while to get anything done. Get more steel targets at the range, have target frames available, fix everything. Fix the roads and parking. People would pay
Ukumehame is club run ranges by mostly volunteers. It's hard to find volunteers like that for general range use. SRGC had trouble getting volunteers to run their ranges or do duty's in the past. Nowlt sure how it is now.
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Just floating an idea. What about a small fee to use the range($5), but the fee waived for people who are registered volunteers. Then if someone was interested in volunteering, they would take a class on proper safety and operation of the range, have a little time with a someone trained, and have their info on a list. That way they could volunteer when they want, or be contacted when people might be needed. I would think you would get enough people volunteering that you would have a full educated staff. I mean you could volunteer for half a day, and shoot the other half, you're already there. Also the range could bring in money for maintenance, remediation, and even improvements.
From 2012:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2638.msg24217;topicseen#msg24217
Attached are the two Council Bills that are going to be discussed. Also the comment of a retired Judge, Gun enthusiast, and 2A supporter, Judge Choy...
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These two bills benefit the Kokohead shooters. It addresses the $15 per hour event fee now being imposed on all organizations.One bill says the fee only applies if the event is not being held during normal park hours. The second bill exempts 501(c)(3) non-profit organizations from the $15 per hour fee.
It appears parks dir. Cabato's impostion of the $15 hourly fee has stirred up a hornets nest of protest. Considering the many organizations that use the City's 288 parks island wide. The senior citizen and youth sports groups must be up in arms.
The firearms community should support this. We should all send emails to all of the city council members supporting these two bills and objecting to all fees.
And keep in mind the proposed $7 per hour individual user fee for Kokohead is in the works as well.
As a shooter at the Kokohead Shooting complex I am sure you are aware that a number of proposals are in the works.
$3 to $7 per hour individual user fee at the Kokohead range
Current $15 per hour organization event fee at all parks (all matches and club events)
City bill 1-2012 seeking to exempt non-profit 501(c)(3) organizations for the $15 per hour fee
City bill 60-2011 seeks to have the $15 per hour organization fee apply only to events that do not take place during normal park hours.
Numbered items 1 and 2 are detrimental to Kokohead shooters and should be opposed.
The notion that range user fees will be used to improve the range is naive. Doubtful the city will dedicate/ear mark these funds or place them in a trust fund. And even if they did they could sweep the monies into the general fund during a budget crisis. This has historically happen. On the state level the ear marked Hurricane fund was swept into the general fund to balance the budget.
Each of us pay property tax even when you are renting. Portions of this tax is suppose to go to Kokohead. If we start paying a fee, that part of our property tax will go to the other parks. Essentially Kokohead shooters will be singled out to pay for their own range while all the other park users will not. If the city wants to have all park users help, this individual fee proposal should apply to all parks including Waikiki, Ala Moana beach parks and all of the other 288 park facility island wide. Kokohead should not be one of the few parks subject to fees. (Hanauma Bay and Foster Botanical Garden are two City sites with a fee)
Gun guys should not be the city parks dept. ATM when ever they need more funding.
Below is the contact info for city council members. You can email your opposition to all Kokohead fees. Email council member in your district and cc all the others. In the subject write "Opposing parks and shooting range fees".
Even if some council members maybe anti-gun a lot of opposing emails will give them second thoughts and could have them back off. Email email. Numbers count.
Darryl
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$5 won't do much, would have to be like $10-$15 to make it worth while to get anything done. Get more steel targets at the range, have target frames available, fix everything. Fix the roads and parking. People would pay
Ukumehame is club run ranges by mostly volunteers. It's hard to find volunteers like that for general range use. SRGC had trouble getting volunteers to run their ranges or do duty's in the past. Nowlt sure how it is now.
I’d support a $10-$15 range fee or yearly pass. Money collected should go directly to the range for maintenance. As a range user it makes sense that shooters pay something for the upkeep. I go fishing as a hobby but still need to pay ramp fees for launching my boat and I also pay for commercial bottom fishing license just to catch onaga and opakapaka. I hope my $$$ help with harbor maintenance and I support similar fees for kokohead..
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I’d support a $10-$15 range fee or yearly pass. Money collected should go directly to the range for maintenance. As a range user it makes sense that shooters pay something for the upkeep. I go fishing as a hobby but still need to pay ramp fees for launching my boat and I also pay for commercial bottom fishing license just to catch onaga and opakapaka. I hope my $$$ help with harbor maintenance and I support similar fees for kokohead..
All my range fee money went toward an excise tax increase for a rail system I'll never use.
Tell me how the users of a service should be taxed even more when they already pay property taxes, excise taxes, gas taxes, vehicle taxes, and so on which pays for ALL parks, whether we use them or not.
When something is operated using public funding, it's supposed to remain open to the public without charge.
I have no problem with the C&C Parks Dept opening up a KHSC pro shop that sells targets, frames, ammo, optics, firearm cleaning supplies, basic tools, and so on. That would be the customer's choice to support it, and it directly benefits today's shooters while helping budget for future range maintenance.
They can't even keep the restrooms at KHSC functioning. That's a basic service unrelated to its operation as a range. That's where your "range fee" would be spent, and the money that would have gone for restroom repairs and maintenance would be spent on other park operating costs in general.
If this state knows how to do anything, it's an expert at robbing special funds to offset spending deficits in the general fund.
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Thank you FLapp, I guess my thought process is naïve that the funds collected could be dedicated just to the range. Maybe if it is an independent group that collects the fee( similar to the silhouette side ) that would be the go to group to discuss the improvements or maintenance work done.
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https://www.kitv.com/news/local/illegal-gun-range-in-waianae-highlights-lack-of-shooting-ranges-on-oahu/article_81db7118-a9a3-11ed-8312-232b3d9e642b.html
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https://www.kitv.com/news/local/illegal-gun-range-in-waianae-highlights-lack-of-shooting-ranges-on-oahu/article_81db7118-a9a3-11ed-8312-232b3d9e642b.html
The city told KITV4 on Friday, "There will be an announcement about Koko Head early next week."
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https://www.kitv.com/news/local/illegal-gun-range-in-waianae-highlights-lack-of-shooting-ranges-on-oahu/article_81db7118-a9a3-11ed-8312-232b3d9e642b.html
Violated the #1 rule of gun ranges...Don't piss off the neighbors.
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Violated the #1 rule of gun ranges...Don't piss off the neighbors.
That's what I like about my area. Neighbors all shoot, although not as much as when I first moved here in 2014. Ammo is too expensive. Even myself, I shoot mostly with CO2. I still managed to kill 3 mongoose with head shots from 50 yards with my 22LR rifle recently. Oahu has a lot of cry babies, especially in areas like Crylua and Hawaii-Cry.
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Violated the #1 rule of gun ranges...Don't piss off the neighbors.
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Absolutely correct. Hawaii is a small place. You have to be diplomatic.
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Bigger problem is public sees this as gun owners don't care about the communities concerns.
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Oahu has a lot of cry babies, especially in areas like Crylua and Hawaii-Cry.
yup. especially cause Kailua and Hawaii Kai get plenty California cry baby transplants
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Absolutely correct. Hawaii is a small place. You have to be diplomatic.
The BI is the size of the state of Connecticut and only two hundred thousand people.
Yet we have to play by Ohau's shitty rules. I don't feel very diplomatic.
:grrr:
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Just get your hunting license and you can go shooting in the mountains its way better and more fun then sitting on a bench shooting 100yards
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Just get your hunting license and you can go shooting in the mountains its way better and more fun then sitting on a bench shooting 100yards
I think the city is feeling the pressure now. More people going into the mountains, people shooting on non regulated “private” ranges. I’ll bet they push the opening of kokohead. Just crossing my fingers got good news next week. Positive thoughts
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I think the city is feeling the pressure now. More people going into the mountains, people shooting on non regulated “private” ranges. I’ll bet they push the opening of kokohead. Just crossing my fingers got good news next week. Positive thoughts
Pessimism and negativity are good things to have when dealing with Hawaii state and county government. That way you won't get disappointed. Sorry for being such a pessimist but living in Hawaii for nearly 73 years will do that to you as far as governmental expectations are concerned.
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The BI is the size of the state of Connecticut and only two hundred thousand people.
Yet we have to play by Ohau's shitty rules. I don't feel very diplomatic.
:grrr:
When I first moved to the BI, some of my friends in Kailua, where I used to live, asked me about it. This is what I told them, updated from the 2020 census All of Kailua has 7.77 sq mi of land My subdivision has 12.47 sq mi of land. You could put at least 3 of the Pohakupu subdivisions where I lived inside of the block where I live now. Kailua has 37,900 residents. My subdivision has 1150 residents. Divided equally, each person in Kailua has 5715 sq ft of space. In my subdivision each person has 302,299 sq ft of space. That gave them an idea of how big and sparsely populated the area where I now live is.
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https://www.kitv.com/news/local/illegal-gun-range-in-waianae-highlights-lack-of-shooting-ranges-on-oahu/article_81db7118-a9a3-11ed-8312-232b3d9e642b.html
“They’re using automatic weapons so people don’t know in a residential area what’s going on.”
Let that sink in.....
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“They’re using automatic weapons so people don’t know in a residential area what’s going on.”
Let that sink in.....
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Automatic weapons are extremely rare. It was more likely a semi auto being rapid fired or multiple ones doing the same.
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Automatic weapons are extremely rare. It was more likely a semi auto being rapid fired or multiple ones doing the same.
Yeah it's just the ignorant, un/misinformed and fear mongering that put that crap out to keep us down. They don't know that unless you're military or special LEO, you can't have real automatic firearms in Hawaii.
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Yeah it's just the ignorant, un/misinformed and fear mongering that put that crap out to keep us down. They don't know that unless you're military or special LEO, you can't have real automatic firearms in Hawaii.
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Just to scare the shit out of all Hawaiii Democrats, I can have any
kind of gun I want regardless of your silly
assed laws.
The only people you control are the ones that obey.
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