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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: Kuleana on April 16, 2020, 01:17:17 PM
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Unnecessary roughness on a child just trying to sell some candy and chips on the subway to earn some money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRRJ0WTgzO0
It is sad that it has come to this.
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Thugs
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Funny we never see video of BEFORE the Cops are involved, like maybe how the kid was fighting to get away or pushing an old lady down to try and run.
I was unaware that "selling candy to passengers" was on the NYC list of essential services/activities. :crazy:
Follow the rules, or accept the consequences. His "mother" wasn't anywhere in the video as far as I could tell. :wtf: Bad parenting?
If you’re not traveling for work related to an Essential Business, or for urgent personal business like a medical appointment,
do not use the subway or take the bus. We need to keep our limited capacity available for people who must travel.
https://new.mta.info/precautions-against-coronavirus
NYC is the EPICENTER of the US outbreak. Lots of people are dying.
REQUESTING people follow the rules works for the majority. The minority who ignore the rules put the entire city at risk.
Maybe you're okay with a kid going from car to car spreading whatever virus or other germs he's picked up along the way. :wacko:
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isn't that Will Smith's son?
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isn't that Will Smith's son?
well could be anyone's son.
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that could be Obama's son...
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isn't that Will Smith's son?
Will's got 2 sons. One is 18, and the other 27.
:rofl:
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Sweep the leg!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2YEeg_Sn2I
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Funny we never see video of BEFORE the Cops are involved, like maybe how the kid was fighting to get away or pushing an old lady down to try and run.
I was unaware that "selling candy to passengers" was on the NYC list of essential services/activities. :crazy:
Follow the rules, or accept the consequences. His "mother" wasn't anywhere in the video as far as I could tell. :wtf: Bad parenting?
https://new.mta.info/precautions-against-coronavirus
NYC is the EPICENTER of the US outbreak. Lots of people are dying.
REQUESTING people follow the rules works for the majority. The minority who ignore the rules put the entire city at risk.
Maybe you're okay with a kid going from car to car spreading whatever virus or other germs he's picked up along the way. :wacko:
I can't imagine you would sink to a new low in your defense of the police officers that do the bidding of the anti-2nd Amendment government in NY, in roughing up and arresting a young boy trying to sell candy and chips to earn some money, in the worst economic downturn the US is undergoing since the Great Depression.
As always, you present valid peripheral facts to illustrate your point. Yes, everyone has to wear masks, social distancing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... However, as central to all your arguments, your conclusions are always the same; the government, military, and police are always right in whatever they do and everyone must support and obey.
The police may be upholding the city ordinances in this case, but are wrong in roughing up the child in the video.
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Unnecessary roughness on a child just trying to sell some candy and chips on the subway to earn some money.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRRJ0WTgzO0
It is sad that it has come to this.
Very simple.
Democrat run city.
Democrat run state.
Mom probably had her kid doing the
illegal sales activity, he won't get a record and
she can just pick him up and take
him home no jail time.
Kid had nice shoes.
Cops were doing what cops do.
they were in a hostile environment
and they want to get home safe.
NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES.
I was arrested when I was twelve.
I was hungry and got caught stealing food
not candy, but beef jerky, on a day, I ditched school.
Cop was going to just take us home,
L.A. County Sheriff cop,
but my buddy mouthed off, that was bad.
We went to jail.
No charges were ever filed.
My father beat me shitless after he picked
me up at the jail. I was on Parental "probation"
for the next 9 months.
I beat my "buddy" up later after one school
day when I chased him down and caught him.
I didn't have much to do with him after that.
Kids and cops don't mix well and it is never a good
thing for either of them.
Don't talk to cops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Will's got 2 sons. One is 18, and the other 27.
:rofl:
I thought they were "fluid gender"
so they don't count as sons?
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I thought they were "fluid gender"
so they don't count as sons?
I don't join in those reindeer games ... :geekdanc:
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I can't imagine you would sink to a new low in your defense of the police officers that do the bidding of the anti-2nd Amendment government in NY, in roughing up and arresting a young boy trying to sell candy and chips to earn some money, in the worst economic downturn the US is undergoing since the Great Depression.
As always, you present valid peripheral facts to illustrate your point. Yes, everyone has to wear masks, social distancing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... However, as central to all your arguments, your conclusions are always the same; the government, military, and police are always right in whatever they do and everyone must support and obey.
The police may be upholding the city ordinances in this case, but are wrong in roughing up the child in the video.
So, your sole justification for a kid (being supervised by his mother?) breaking the rules meant to keep everyone safe from a deadly disease is "He was just trying to make a few bucks?"
Gotcha! :thumbsup:
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I can't imagine you would sink to a new low in your defense of the police officers that do the bidding of the anti-2nd Amendment government in NY, in roughing up and arresting a young boy trying to sell candy and chips to earn some money, in the worst economic downturn the US is undergoing since the Great Depression.
As always, you present valid peripheral facts to illustrate your point. Yes, everyone has to wear masks, social distancing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah... However, as central to all your arguments, your conclusions are always the same; the government, military, and police are always right in whatever they do and everyone must support and obey.
The police may be upholding the city ordinances in this case, but are wrong in roughing up the child in the video.
Show me the video that was taken BEFORE the Cops were able to detain the poor little victim.
That video rarely makes it into the public eye, so the narrative is ALWAYS "poor little criminal".
0:38 seconds into the video, the "little darling" is using his fists to assault the officer.
I guess as long as you hate Cops and were only selling candy, assaulting a police officer while being detained is a "right"?.
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Sweep the leg!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2YEeg_Sn2I
WOW ! Talk about tunnel vision.
He never saw it coming much less the cruiser rolling up.
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"Show me the video that was taken BEFORE the Cops were able to detain the poor little victim."
Sorry, I don't have nor know if such footage exists.
"0:38 seconds into the video, the "little darling" is using his fists to assault the officer."
Right; that child that looks like he is just entering puberty is assaulting an officer...
Let me guess, based on your interpretation of the events, the police should have used their firearms on that child as well...
What an utterly disgusting fascist goonery view of events.
"I guess as long as you hate Cops and were only selling candy, assaulting a police officer while being detained is a "right"?"
Nice try. Your attempt to reframe the argument and insert me as the person getting roughed up by the police in this incident is not going to work.
My God, deflecting the brutality of the police officer by focusing on the actions of an underaged, sacred, and terrified minor? HPD should hire you as their PR speaker. Because of your unwavering support of police, you would definitely serve them well in convincing the public of why civilians should only have access to 10Rd or less magazines.
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My God, deflecting the brutality of the police officer by focusing on the actions of an underaged, sacred, and terrified minor?
Gimme a break. :'(
It's not like he "Swept the leg" or something ! ::)
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Gimme a break. :'(
It's not like he "Swept the leg" or something ! ::)
If that was your son, would you be saying the same thing after watching what happened?
What was the alleged infraction again? Oh yes, selling candy and chips to make a little money and get roughed up by police.
A simple warning would have not sufficed? I guess not; book him!
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"Show me the video that was taken BEFORE the Cops were able to detain the poor little victim."
Sorry, I don't have nor know if such footage exists.
"0:38 seconds into the video, the "little darling" is using his fists to assault the officer."
Right; that child that looks like he is just entering puberty is assaulting an officer...
Let me guess, based on your interpretation of the events, the police should have used their firearms on that child as well...
What an utterly disgusting fascist goonery view of events.
"I guess as long as you hate Cops and were only selling candy, assaulting a police officer while being detained is a "right"?"
Nice try. Your attempt to reframe the argument and insert me as the person getting roughed up by the police in this incident is not going to work.
My God, deflecting the brutality of the police officer by focusing on the actions of an underaged, sacred, and terrified minor? HPD should hire you as their PR speaker. Because of your unwavering support of police, you would definitely serve them well in convincing the public of why civilians should only have access to 10Rd or less magazines.
I used to think you merely had an overactive imagination.
Now I see you have a mental defect that prevents you from maintaining a firm grasp on reality.
I never said that, but you don't want to let that stop you from giving your judgmental opinion on it anyway.
And you have the audacity to accuse ME of reframing the narrative?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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selling "candy and chips" :rofl:
Were they of Colombian origin?
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Gimme a break. :'(
It's not like he "Swept the leg" or something ! ::)
Sacred?
I mean, I believe the children are the future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. Show them all the beauty they possessss insiiiiide. . .
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If that was your son, would you be saying the same thing after watching what happened?
What was the alleged infraction again? Oh yes, selling candy and chips to make a little money and get roughed up by police.
A simple warning would have not sufficed? I guess not; book him!
I guess you missed the part where Mom was there.
I despise cops, but they have to do a difficult job
in almost always a lose-lose situation.
Years ago I decided not to become a cop.
I would have handcuffed the mom and thrown them both in the
"paddy wagon" and explained it to them.
Then took them to Mikie Dees, bought them a
meal. and suddenly lost them.
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I guess you missed the part where Mom was there.
I despise cops, but they have to do a difficult job
in almost always a lose-lose situation.
Years ago I decided not to become a cop.
I would have handcuffed the mom and thrown them both in the
"paddy wagon" and explained it to them.
Then took them to Mikie Dees, bought them a
meal. and suddenly lost them.
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I wish you could have been the cop in this case.
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If that was your son, would you be saying the same thing after watching what happened?
My son was / is raised right and does nothing illegal. ::)
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I wish you could have been the cop in this case.
Thank you!
But except in Mayberry,
that would have gotten me fired
in any big city.
Cops like their pensions.
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"Show me the video that was taken BEFORE the Cops were able to detain the poor little victim."
Sorry, I don't have nor know if such footage exists.
"0:38 seconds into the video, the "little darling" is using his fists to assault the officer."
Right; that child that looks like he is just entering puberty is assaulting an officer...
Let me guess, based on your interpretation of the events, the police should have used their firearms on that child as well...
What an utterly disgusting fascist goonery view of events.
"I guess as long as you hate Cops and were only selling candy, assaulting a police officer while being detained is a "right"?"
Nice try. Your attempt to reframe the argument and insert me as the person getting roughed up by the police in this incident is not going to work.
My God, deflecting the brutality of the police officer by focusing on the actions of an underaged, sacred, and terrified minor? HPD should hire you as their PR speaker. Because of your unwavering support of police, you would definitely serve them well in convincing the public of why civilians should only have access to 10Rd or less magazines.
like the mauna?
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[snipped and burned...]
... HPD should hire you as their PR speaker. Because of your unwavering support of police, you would definitely serve them well in convincing the public of why civilians should only have access to 10Rd or less magazines.
HPD polices NYC subways now?
I guess they are getting "trained" for when our rail is finally operating.
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like the mauna?
racist
#oppressed
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HPD polices NYC subways now?
I guess they are getting "trained" for when our rail is finally operating.
Yes, HPD could really use a man of your talents; a person that can find facts to confuse the issue as well as flip flop on issues just to win an argument.
For example, on one side you say and argue against HPD in their support of 10Rd magazine restrictions, BUT are supportive of HPD when it comes to officer involved shooting incidents.
This having your cake and eating it too you got going on is exactly the perfect PR person HPD needs to propagandize their anti-2nd Amendment stance to the public.
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Yes, HPD could really use a man of your talents; a person that can find facts to confuse the issue as well as flip flop on issues just to win an argument.
For example, on one side you say and argue against HPD in their support of 10Rd magazine restrictions, BUT are supportive of HPD when it comes to officer involved shooting incidents.
This having your cake and eating it too you got going on is exactly the perfect PR person HPD needs to propagandize their anti-2nd Amendment stance to the public.
so we don't agree on some issues with HPD so we should do a broad band of anti-HPD sentiment? That's not mature is it.
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so we don't agree on some issues with HPD so we should do a broad band of anti-HPD sentiment? That's not mature is it.
In his world,
having different opinions
on different events or issues
involving different people,
but which have a common thread (e.g. Cops),
is "hypocritical".
There is no one better than a good Cop.
There is no one worse than a bad Cop.
There are more good Cops than bad.
:thumbsup:
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Yes, HPD could really use a man of your talents; a person that can find facts to confuse the issue as well as flip flop on issues just to win an argument.
For example, on one side you say and argue against HPD in their support of 10Rd magazine restrictions, BUT are supportive of HPD when it comes to officer involved shooting incidents.
This having your cake and eating it too you got going on is exactly the perfect PR person HPD needs to propagandize their anti-2nd Amendment stance to the public.
It appears the only one confused about the issue is YOU. :geekdanc:
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In his world,
having different opinions
on different events or issues
involving different people,
but which have a common thread (e.g. Cops),
is "hypocritical".
There is no one better than a good Cop.
There is no one worse than a bad Cop.
There are more good Cops than bad.
:thumbsup:
"There is no one better than a good Cop.
There is no one worse than a bad Cop.
There are more good Cops than bad. "
When you give Cops a virtual license to kill and
use the "system", just one bad one is intolerable.
Yet they tolerate them. Indeed they protect them
as there is a "us and them " mentality.
Forgive me if I despise them, want to limit their
power, and ability to attack me.
They are a necessary evil and like all evil, need
to be constrained.
Too bad Hawaii doesn't have elected Sheriff's.
That would dramatically change the police.
Appointed police chiefs is Nazi style.
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"There is no one better than a good Cop."
I wonder how many people would truly agree that good cops are God's gift to people.
"There is no one worse than a bad Cop."
Need to revise that.
At the present, cops are nothing but the domestic enforcers of the state as the military is nothing more than the international enforcers of the World, since the death of the republic, as both are now in the American empire.
"There are more good Cops than bad."
Wrong, in today's corrupt America, there are more bad cops than good.
Don't believe me; just wait when gun confiscation begins. Guess who will be knocking on your door and be doing the confiscating as well as what other heavily armed group they will have as back-up should you resist with your arms.
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Obviously if the mom was with her kid and they were not doing anything prohibited then there would be no story, no video, no cops.
Thimk about it.
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Obviously if the mom was with her kid and they were not doing anything prohibited then there would be no story, no video, no cops.
Thimk about it.
RACIST ! :grrr:
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My son was / is raised right and does nothing illegal. ::)
Think you're on to something here. . . :hmm: :thumbsup:
What I saw was a kid who wasn't afraid of consequences. If that sort of stuff happened when I was a kid, the consequences from the PD and or anything legal would've been secondary to consequences at home. How about going back to personal responsibility first rather than immediately jumping to victim mode. . .
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RACIST ! :grrr:
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nope, I am a...
STOOPIDIST ! :grrr:
def.
one who is prejudiced against stoopid people, regardless of race, religion, skin color, hair color, clothes, cologne, mouthwash, shoes, type of car, etc. etc.
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"There is no one better than a good Cop."
I wonder how many people would truly agree that good cops are God's gift to people.
"There is no one worse than a bad Cop."
Need to revise that.
At the present, cops are nothing but the domestic enforcers of the state as the military is nothing more than the international enforcers of the World, since the death of the republic, as both are now in the American empire.
"There are more good Cops than bad."
Wrong, in today's corrupt America, there are more bad cops than good.
Don't believe me; just wait when gun confiscation begins. Guess who will be knocking on your door and be doing the confiscating as well as what other heavily armed group they will have as back-up should you resist with your arms.
So your evidence that there are more bad Cops is "they will do something bad IN THE FUTURE?!"
You really do have "issues." :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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So your evidence that there are more bad Cops is "they will do something bad IN THE FUTURE?!"
You really do have "issues." :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You are the one who has issues and is the mole the 2nd Amendment community should keep a close eye on.
As I alluded to you in a post on another thread, for all your so-called surface support for gun rights, you always support the police when they harass, rough up, and shoot first and find excuses later OVER the rights of the people affected.
Extrapolating, I speculate that if 10Rd magazines become law, you would be the guy on the range that would lecture and even rat out the person using a standard capacity mag to the range master or HPD, just to satisfy your loyalty to the fascist elite.
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nope, I am a...
STOOPIDIST ! :grrr:
def.
one who is prejudiced against stoopid people, regardless of race, religion, skin color, hair color, clothes, cologne, mouthwash, shoes, type of car, etc. etc.
I'm an assholist. . . It all depends on if someone is an asshole or not. Not prejudiced against all assholes. Just extreme assholes, or at least asshole levels much higher than I am.
And yeah, I'm an asshole too, but not a high level. At least I think. . . :rofl:
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I'm an assholist. . . It all depends on if someone is an asshole or not. Not prejudiced against all assholes. Just extreme assholes, or at least asshole levels much higher than I am.
And yeah, I'm an asshole too, but not a high level. At least I think. . . :rofl:
your boss is an asshole...
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your boss is an asshole...
Yeah, but about same level as me, so :thumbsup:
:rofl:
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How about going back to personal responsibility first rather than immediately jumping to victim mode. . .
That is not the ghetto way.
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That is not the ghetto way.
Let me aks my expert on ghetto. . .
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Let me aks my expert on ghetto. . .
your boss is pretty ghetto...
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https://youtu.be/FJ-r0bilzhU
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your boss is pretty ghetto...
clips
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJtHdkyo0hc
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A simple warning would have not sufficed? I guess not; book him!
You forgot to say “Dano!” >:D
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nope, I am a...
STOOPIDIST ! :grrr:
def.
one who is prejudiced against stoopid people, regardless of race, religion, skin color, hair color, clothes, cologne, mouthwash, shoes, type of car, etc. etc.
That's a whole lotta stoopid.... :o
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Yes, HPD could really use a man of your talents; a person that can find facts to confuse the issue as well as flip flop on issues just to win an argument.
For example, on one side you say and argue against HPD in their support of 10Rd magazine restrictions, BUT are supportive of HPD when it comes to officer involved shooting incidents.
This having your cake and eating it too you got going on is exactly the perfect PR person HPD needs to propagandize their anti-2nd Amendment stance to the public.
Covid-19 has really uncovered the pitfalls of financing the largest military the World has seen. Most recently, it has brought to light how America's soldiers and seamen are nothing but expendable assets in order to maintain the American empire.
The recent firing of Captain Crozier of the nuclear aircraft carrier, USS Theodore Roosevelt, is the most high profile event that illustrated how far the US military will go to ensure discipline within its ranks in order to dominate the seas. His being relieved of his command, though justifiable, nevertheless shows that there are still patriotic Americans who will not sacrifice the health and well-being of the personnel under their command for imperial goals.
for example bashing the US Military but yet praising a US Navy CPT? You're either for them or against.... :wacko:
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for example bashing the US Military but yet praising a US Navy CPT? You're either for them or against.... :wacko:
My praise for Captain Crozier is not because of any love for the imperial acts of the US military, but for his PUTTING ASIDE that imperial mission to see to the health and well-being of his crew under his command. He knew the risks to his career and took the consequences like a REAL MAN AND HERO of the former American Republic.
No Ren, there is no inconsistency in my beliefs.
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My praise for Captain Crozier is not because of any love for the imperial acts of the US military, but for his PUTTING ASIDE that imperial mission to see to the health and well-being of his crew under his command. He knew the risks to his career and took the consequences like a REAL MAN AND HERO of the former American Republic.
No Ren, there is no inconsistency in my beliefs.
Yet, when someone ELSE posts a pro-police comment, and then posts a comment unsupportive of an officer's actions, you scream hypocrite.
Either that, or you assume supporting police in general somehow means supporting EVERYTHING, good or bad, individual Cops do.
:wacko: :wtf:
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Yet, when someone ELSE posts a pro-police comment, and then posts a comment unsupportive of an officer's actions, you scream hypocrite.
Either that, or you assume supporting police in general somehow means supporting EVERYTHING, good or bad, individual Cops do.
:wacko: :wtf:
First, there is no secret I am not a supporter of American military policy and have never supported any actions taken by them since the illegal overthrow of Queen Liliuokalani in 1893 to the present. In the example of Captain Crozier, as I commented to Ren, I supported the heroic actions of a commanding officer in the US Navy, DEFYING his mission as part of its military policy in the region, in order to protect the men and women under his command. In this case, my support of the actions of Captain Crozier did not go against any of my core beliefs.
In contrast, you have gone on record defending HPD and its officers in any officer involved shooting incidents with little concern whether the rights of those individuals shot were violated. Most recently, you have also gone on record in defense of the right to own standard capacity magazines. From your actions, it seems to me you have an inconsistent standard when it comes to the rights of individuals. When actions of the police potentially violate the rights of others, you vigorously support the police; but if their actions cause a restriction of your rights, you go against them.
Nothing wrong with it, but I think it is you who is sometimes inconsistent, not me.
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First, there is no secret I am not a supporter of American military policy and have never supported any actions taken by them since the illegal overthrow of Queen Liliuokalani in 1893 to the present. In the example of Captain Crozier, as I commented to Ren, I supported the heroic actions of a commanding officer in the US Navy, DEFYING his mission as part of its military policy in the region, in order to protect the men and women under his command. In this case, my support of the actions of Captain Crozier did not go against any of my core beliefs.
In contrast, you have gone on record defending HPD and its officers in any officer involved shooting incidents with little concern whether the rights of those individuals shot were violated. Most recently, you have also gone on record in defense of the right to own standard capacity magazines. From your actions, it seems to me you have an inconsistent standard when it comes to the rights of individuals. When actions of the police potentially violate the rights of others, you vigorously support the police; but if their actions cause a restriction of your rights, you go against them.
Nothing wrong with it, but I think it is you who is sometimes inconsistent, not me.
Please provide references to the "record" you referred to.
Most of the statements you blast me for are hyperbolic insinuations, mischaracterizations and straw arguments I never said, just so you can try to smear/taunt/troll me.
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Please provide references to the "record" you referred to.
Most of the statements you blast me for are hyperbolic insinuations, mischaracterizations and straw arguments I never said, just so you can try to smear/taunt/troll me.
Relax, don't get excited.
Allow me to go on record to say that aside of the many things I have characterized you, I nevertheless find you as one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable people on this forum, despite our obvious differences and intense discussions and debates.
Until next time...
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Relax, don't get excited.
Allow me to go on record to say that aside of the many things I have characterized you, I nevertheless find you as one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable people on this forum, despite our obvious differences and intense discussions and debates.
Until next time...
I'd like to have this authenticated and notarized .... :love:
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Allow me to go on record to say that aside of the many things I have characterized you, I nevertheless find you as one of the most intelligent and knowledgeable people on this forum, despite our obvious differences and intense discussions and debates.
Not without Google. :geekdanc:
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Downright murder by America's Fascist Police Force.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCMyyPz2t3o
New Motto: Deprive air first and take the lifeless body to the hospital after. :shake:
George Floyd is not a saint, but literally murdered by fascist goons in front of a watching populace shows how America has completed its transformation to an empire of demented bread and circuses. :crazy:
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Downright murder by America's Fascist Police Force.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCMyyPz2t3o
New Motto: Deprive air first and take the lifeless body to the hospital after. :shake:
George Floyd is not a saint, but literally murdered by fascist goons in front of a watching populace shows how America has completed its transformation to an empire of demented bread and circuses. :crazy:
I've made it pretty clear on this site, that I repudiate
Democrats and their hired guns called Union police.
In this instance death was predictable.
Lesson:
Comply, get bonded out, hunt them down, and
eliminate them.
That is new American way, 4GW.
Aloha.
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I waited a few days until if any more video is available. So watching more angles, did he resist while inside his car? Looks like it because a 2nd officer had to help cuff him. But at that point, he was cuffed. He was then walked from his car to the sidewalk and sat leaning against a building while cuffed behind his back. Then he was helped up and taken to the awaiting police car. At this point, he may have resisted further and was taken to the ground.
But I see no reason why a cop should put their knee on the back of someones neck who is handcuffed. Knee on shoulder, back, lower back, would be OK. The neck is a dangerous area. Even if he resist further, it's not like he can get up off the ground while he is cuffed behind the back. At most, he wiggles like a worm (left to right). But on the other side, how many cops are told "it hurts, I can't breath, the cuffs are cutting of circulation" when detaining someone. But regardless, the knee was on the neck.
I think this cop knew what he was doing and thought at most he would pass out and not die. And the other cops watching did nothing because of their unwritten rules. Only on a few occasions do other cops step in if 1 is out of line. Last vid of that that I saw was a guy holding a sign protesting. 1 cop told him to take his sign and leave. Another stepped in and said he has the right to free speech since and can stay.
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Well said, Lebron James.
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Well said, Lebron James.
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You're saying the Cop, who was close to being fired,
was trying to appropriate a fake SJW movement based on a bunch of lies
and turn it into a lucrative second career?
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but you have no problem calling the same "fascist, murderous" police officers on people who don't wear masks, break quarantine and have "illegal" parties.
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You're saying the Cop, who was close to being fired, was trying to appropriate a fake SJW movement based on a bunch of lies and turn it into a lucrative second career?
Welcome back and with a vengeance. I knew you missed me!
No, I was highlighting what the whole take a knee during the national anthem was all about; it was a protest that encompassed many things, one of which was against police brutality.
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but you have no problem calling the same "fascist, murderous" police officers on people who don't wear masks, break quarantine and have "illegal" parties.
Who you calling a snitch and where did I post something about rating out those who break Covid-19 precautionary ordinances?
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Welcome back and with a vengeance. I knew you missed me!
No, I was highlighting what the whole take a knee during the national anthem was all about; it was a protest that encompassed many things, one of which was against police brutality.
Funny how Caper-Neck's "protest" did nothing for the "cause", but sure lined his pockets with millions at the same time he was about to be "sacked" from the team.
BLM was a fake movement supported and exploited by SJW marketeers, who preached about an epidemic of White Cops killing unarmed Black Men that's been debunked countless times. It was a pure lie.
(https://i.imgur.com/hy0crxN.jpg?1)
Then there's Shaun King, the race-baiting White-but-identifies-as-Black conman who became the online face of the BLM scam ...
For his critics, he is a con man manipulating racial sensitivity to his financial advantage.
This morning, King is trending on Twitter for all the wrong reasons after an explosive article
came out in The Daily Beast.
Shaun King Keeps Raising Money, and Questions About Where It Goes
https://www.thedailybeast.com/shaun-king-keeps-raising-money-and-questions-about-where-it-goes-3
Opportunism. People should pick their civil rights leaders, not just support those who grandstand and make bank off of a high profile issue or event.
You of all people should know better, what with all the top Hawaiian organizational leaders being found out to be swindlers and crooks -- leaving the Hawaiian people worse off in the process.
Shame on you for never learning the lesson these examples teach. O0
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Downright murder by America's Fascist Police Force.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCMyyPz2t3o
New Motto: Deprive air first and take the lifeless body to the hospital after. :shake:
George Floyd is not a saint, but literally murdered by fascist goons in front of a watching populace shows how America has completed its transformation to an empire of demented bread and circuses. :crazy:
Please look up the definition of fascism before you flaunt it around. Also we need to look at statistics before we start assuming the police force in its entirety is out to kill people of color. Ik its hard for people, but do your research before jumping to conclusions like the msm. Just because you see 10 black people on the news getting killed due to "police" brutality, it doesnt mesn there arent 100 more white or non black people subjected to whatever form of police brutality you wanna call it. Its funny how people praise lebron james for speaking out, but fail to praise lil wayne for saying a cop saved his life as a child and so he doesnt see any inherit danger of those in blue. Talk about selective narratives if you ask me.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r5KFAeujww
the police officers involved were fired:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/27/george-floyd-protesters-clash-minneapolis-police-after-video/5264887002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/27/george-floyd-protesters-clash-minneapolis-police-after-video/5264887002/)
Four officers involved in the Monday incident have been fired, and Floyd's family and their attorney, Ben Crump, have called for their arrests. Police identified the officers Wednesday as Derek Chauvin, Thomas Lane, Tou Thao and J. Alexander Kueng. Attorney Tom Kelly said he was representing Chauvin, the officer seen with his knee on Floyd's neck.
they all weren't "white"
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Cop flat out murders the guy while he’s begging for his life, hands cuffed behind back, Lying on his stomach.
Some of the most disturbing video I’ve seen since the cop shot the guy running away in the back and tried to plant the taser.
Funny how Caper-Neck's "protest" did nothing for the "cause", but sure lined his pockets with millions at the same time he was about to be "sacked" from the team.
That is a F’d up statement you got there Flapp/Mauidog/DarmokatSalad/Moosed.
This is exactly what Kaepernick was talking about.
And Kap wasn’t on his way out of the league until he took a knee during the anthem to bring up the conversation.
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Colin Kaepernick’s status in doubt because of injuries, poor play
By Eric Branch Updated 8:16 pm PDT, Monday, August 29, 2016
https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Kaepernick-s-protest-obscured-his-play-in-9191559.php
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Colin Kaepernick’s status in doubt because of injuries, poor play
By Eric Branch Updated 8:16 pm PDT, Monday, August 29, 2016
https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/Kaepernick-s-protest-obscured-his-play-in-9191559.php
At least read the article and know a little bit about football before you post this Google regurgitation.
And do you really think he did it for the millions (which he lost) and didn’t do anything for the “cause” ?
I do believe there were different ways he could‘ve gone about it.
He could’ve raised a single black gloved hand in a fist during the anthem.
That would’ve been heavy.
(Olympic reference for you young whipper-snappers)
All Lives Matter.
(Except the really bad guys in the act of doing really bad shit, hence we should have CCW)
But this is exactly the shit he was talking about.
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Please look up the definition of fascism before you flaunt it around.
I know the definition of fascism all too well and can describe its many hybrid forms it can take in a society.
Do you?
Also we need to look at statistics before we start assuming the police force in its entirety is out to kill people of color. Ik its hard for people, but do your research before jumping to conclusions like the msm. Just because you see 10 black people on the news getting killed due to "police" brutality, it doesnt mesn there arent 100 more white or non black people subjected to whatever form of police brutality you wanna call it. Its funny how people praise lebron james for speaking out, but fail to praise lil wayne for saying a cop saved his life as a child and so he doesnt see any inherit danger of those in blue. Talk about selective narratives if you ask me.
I am not arguing against police brutality on behalf of Black Americans.
I am protesting fascist police brutality against all people regardless of race, color, ethnicity, gender, etc.
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Be thankful.
Cops in Hawaii, Honolulu at least, are generally pretty cool.
Give respect, get respect.
Rookies and those in Waikiki are the most sketchy.
(And maybe EEF. :rofl: Sorry EEF. Couldn’t resist. )
Other than that, how many times given a warning or chased out of a park after hours after baseball games by a light on drive by.
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Its funny how people praise lebron james for speaking out, but fail to praise lil wayne for saying a cop saved his life as a child and so he doesnt see any inherit danger of those in blue. Talk about selective narratives if you ask me.
May be a selective narrative, but it does not change the fact that police brutality occurs and should not be condoned anywhere.
The drug lords of Latin America murder hundreds, if not thousands of people a year and are hated by an overwhelming majority in society. However, those same drug lords do spend a ton of money in the communities they reside and the beneficiaries of that drug money have, on record, share nothing but praise for them. Does this mean society, as a whole, should have a more balanced view of drug lords?
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if someone breaks into your home or steals your car do you still call these fascist cops?
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if someone breaks into your home or steals your car do you still call these fascist cops?
To file a report? Yes.
To get my stuff back? No.
To protect myself or my family? Hell No.
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To file a report? Yes.
To get my stuff back? No.
To protect myself or my family? Hell No.
just to file a report by fascist goons? Why even bother? How would you know that they would file an accurate, objective, non-biased, non-fascist report?
A blanket categorization of an organization like the local police based on the actions of a few is inaccurate. It is akin to labeling an entire race based on the actions of a few. I wouldn't say that ALL HAWAIIANS are anti-TMT or anti-US based on your limited perspective.
This single event is a travesty. Agreed.
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another disrespectful tourist....
https://www.kitv.com/story/42182225/a-hawaii-resident-says-he-was-falsely-accused-of-being-a-tourist-violating-quarantine (https://www.kitv.com/story/42182225/a-hawaii-resident-says-he-was-falsely-accused-of-being-a-tourist-violating-quarantine)
nope.
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just to file a report by fascist goons? Why even bother? How would you know that they would file an accurate, objective, non-biased, non-fascist report?
A blanket categorization of an organization like the local police based on the actions of a few is inaccurate. It is akin to labeling an entire race based on the actions of a few.
Why not ask Groveler on his take to your questions? :shaka:
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Why not ask Groveler on his take to your questions? :shaka:
you started this thread - own it
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you started this thread - own it
So, are you scared to ask this forum's most knowledgeable expert, Groveler, his take on cops?
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So, are you scared to ask this forum's most knowledgeable expert, Groveler, his take on cops?
he posts his take on cops several times a week, we don't need to ask him...
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just to file a report by fascist goons? Why even bother? How would you know that they would file an accurate, objective, non-biased, non-fascist report?
You seem to want to bait and switch the narrative to my person rather than staying on the topic of this thread, which is police brutality.
Are you so interested in the things I do, as to whether I deal with cops or not?
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So, are you scared to ask this forum's most knowledgeable expert, Groveler, his take on cops?
I don't see Ren being afraid to engage anyone on here.
Your tactics are rather juvenile, calling him scared like that.
Did you run out of talking points so that now you have to deflect to someone else -- like you're part of some kind of tag-team? :rofl: :rofl:
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I-- like you're part of some kind of tag-team? :rofl: :rofl:
Gee, who else appears to post here just to create animosity..........???
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Gee, who else appears to post here just to create animosity..........???
Quiet. AieaHound will hear you! :wave:
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I know the definition of fascism all too well and can describe its many hybrid forms it can take in a society.
Do you?
I am not arguing against police brutality on behalf of Black Americans.
I am protesting fascist police brutality against all people regardless
of race, color, ethnicity, gender, etc.
I really dont think you understand what fascism is. I think you understand what the medias definition of it is, just like when they use the word bigot anytime they please. Fascism by definition is when one dictator has entire control of a state, county, or city and those who resist can have their personal rights stripped upon them. Im not sure how citing the rare incident of a black man being killed by one white cop by definition means rhe police force are fascist. Last time i checked we still have miranda rights and last time i checked, if the police were to wrongully search and seize your property, you can overturn it in a court of law. So once again, im not sure you do actually know what it means. Is there bad cops, yes. Do they have the right to strip your personal rights as rhey please? No. If there was a true dictatorship within the police, well thats why you are here on this forum. Thats why the 2a was started.
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Gee, who else appears to post here just to create animosity..........???
Quiet. AieaHound will hear you! :wave:
I think robdmc might have been talking about EEF.
(Or you maybe? :rofl:)
Snowflapp/Mauidog/DarmokarSalad/Moosed. Isn’t it about time to change your user name again?
:geekdanc:
:stopjack:
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I really dont think you understand what fascism is. I think you understand what the medias definition of it is, just like when they use the word bigot anytime they please. Fascism by definition is when one dictator has entire control of a state, county, or city and those who resist can have their personal rights stripped upon them. Im not sure how citing the rare incident of a black man being killed by one white cop by definition means rhe police force are fascist.
Sorry, I don't get my news or base any of my views from the mainstream media. Second of all, fascism has many meanings other that one you stated. Fascism is also a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism). Hence, it is a word that can also be used to described instances where police officers go beyond their SOPs and engage in acts of brutality.
Last time i checked we still have miranda rights and last time i checked, if the police were to wrongully search and seize your property, you can overturn it in a court of law. So once again, im not sure you do actually know what it means.
Yes, you can do what you prescribe, if the cops do not kill you first.
There have been a number of unjustifiable killings committed by fascist cops, if you have not noticed recently (e.g., George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, etc.).
Is there bad cops, yes. Do they have the right to strip your personal rights as rhey please? No. If there was a true dictatorship within the police, well thats why you are here on this forum.
You mean the same HPD who are trying to ban standard capacity long gun magazines at this year's legislature?
Thats why the 2a was started.
I agree with your expanding the meaning of the 2nd Amendment, but the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment lies more with arming and maintaining a regulated militia, in lieu of a standing army.
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You mean the same HPD who are trying to ban standard capacity long gun magazines at this year's legislature?
You are mixing two separate issues here in an effort to influence the audience. Many of us obviously disagree with the laws HPD influences. There are officers who enter law enforcement to do the right thing. What that ONE officer did in Minnesota was wrong and was justifiably arrested. No one is arguing that. The argument here is the blanket labeling that all police are "fascist" and unjust. That is inaccurate and immature to label an organization of thousands based on the unethical actions of a few.
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Sorry, I don't get my news or base any of my views from the mainstream media. Second of all, fascism has many meanings other that one you stated. Fascism is also a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism). Hence, it is a word that can also be used to described instances where police officers go beyond their SOPs and engage in acts of brutality.
Yes, you can do what you prescribe, if the cops do not kill you first.
There have been a number of unjustifiable killings committed by fascist cops, if you have not noticed recently (e.g., George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, etc.).
You mean the same HPD who are trying to ban standard capacity long gun magazines at this year's legislature?
I agree with your expanding the meaning of the 2nd Amendment, but the true meaning of the 2nd Amendment lies more with arming and maintaining a regulated militia, in lieu of a standing army.
But the problem is, you are labeling cops as fascist. I do not see a specific example of cops systemically using any sort of doctoral control or autocratic principles within America. The problem is, you are using few and far in between examples to label an entirety. Can individual cops have fascist ideas, sure, so can individual nurses, doctors, politicians, lawyers, garden men, etc. But to state that the whole is fascist, is ignorance at best.
It is just as ignorant as saying “if the cops do not kill you first” the problem with that statement is that is is implying that it is the common or norm for a cop to use lethal force before any means necessary. When we dig deeper into your point about minorities, its interesting because if we look at government data, a total of 228 civilians were killed by cops this year, but only 31 were black, the majority are white. So why is there this huge argument that cops are going out and killing minorities at a substantial rate?
The fact that you stated, “the same cops pushing for legislature to ban magazines” nullifies your argument about fascism. Last time i checked, fascim doesn’t have checks and balances, if the police were fascist, they could ban it outright on their own. If that is not the case, then you are somehow implying that HPD is in control of Ihara, Kahele, Wakai, Thielen, Shimabukuro, Morikawa, Chang, and Nishihara who are all elected officials? Because they are the ones who introduced the Bill. Now if you are saying they are all working for HPD like how the msm says republican politicians “work for the NRA” then that’s fair, but doesn’t make it true.
The militia was not limited to being a standing army. there are numerous founding fathers who made this explicit in their explanations. George Washington stated “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government” No where do they mention the people fighting for the government, but rather to protect themselves from the government itself. James Madison who was initially opposed to the idea also stated, " That a well-regulated militia is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free government".
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But the problem is, you are labeling cops as fascist. I do not see a specific example of cops systemically using any sort of doctoral control or autocratic principles within America. The problem is, you are using few and far in between examples to label an entirety. Can individual cops have fascist ideas, sure, so can individual nurses, doctors, politicians, lawyers, garden men, etc. But to state that the whole is fascist, is ignorance at best.
If what you say is true, how can America label China as a communist regime, when clearly they are not a communist state?
It is just as ignorant as saying “if the cops do not kill you first” the problem with that statement is that is is implying that it is the common or norm for a cop to use lethal force before any means necessary. When we dig deeper into your point about minorities, its interesting because if we look at government data, a total of 228 civilians were killed by cops this year, but only 31 were black, the majority are white. So why is there this huge argument that cops are going out and killing minorities at a substantial rate?
Where did I specifically mention minorities, as a basis of my main argument of police brutality?
The fact that you stated, “the same cops pushing for legislature to ban magazines” nullifies your argument about fascism. Last time i checked, fascim doesn’t have checks and balances, if the police were fascist, they could ban it outright on their own. If that is not the case, then you are somehow implying that HPD is in control of Ihara, Kahele, Wakai, Thielen, Shimabukuro, Morikawa, Chang, and Nishihara who are all elected officials?
Just because the police are not the ruling body politic does not mean that they are not fascist or their actions exempt from being called fascist for any police brutality they committed on the populace.
The militia was not limited to being a standing army. there are numerous founding fathers who made this explicit in their explanations. George Washington stated “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government” No where do they mention the people fighting for the government, but rather to protect themselves from the government itself. James Madison who was initially opposed to the idea also stated, " That a well-regulated militia is the proper, natural and safe defence of a free government".
The militia was never meant to being a standing army for the simple reason they were the militia and the Founding Fathers did not believe in standing armies. The US Constitution calls for a common defense and, since none of the FF wanted a standing army like that of the British empire they fought against, it was implied the militia and its citizen soldiers would be the ones to rally and defend the nation.
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If what you say is true, how can America label China as a communist regime, when clearly they are not a communist state?
Another separate argument.
You label all police as fascist. They are not all fascist. They are not a fascist organization.
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You label all police as fascist. They are not all fascist. They are not a fascist organization.
First of all, there are a number of very good cops, but that does that mean they are not or do not behave fascistically.
Second, tell that to Groveler.
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First of all, there are a number of very good cops, but that does that mean they are not or do not behave fascistically.
Second, tell that to Groveler.
Why do you keep falling back on Groveler? This is your argument.
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First of all, there are a number of very good cops, but that does that mean they are not or do not behave fascistically.
Second, tell that to Groveler.
There you go again, leaning on Groveler to back up your BS when you can't do it by yourself.
Groveler posts opinions (as do you). He's not here as a tie-breaker when your opinions can't be supported by any evidence.
Maybe give Joe Biden a buzz?
"We choose FACTS over the TRUTH!"
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Why do you keep falling back on Groveler? This is your argument.
Groveler, Vietnam veteran, is the foremost honest expert on the role and conduct of police in America on this forum.
Hence, he is a far better authority on this issue than I am and you should direct all of your pro-cop arguments to him as well.
Unless, of course, you are afraid to do so or your only purpose is to prove your argument to me.
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There you go again, leaning on Groveler to back up your BS when he can't do it by yourself.
So, are you afraid of taking your arguments to Groveler as well?
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So, are you afraid of taking your arguments to Groveler as well?
You have the most -- active -- imagination on this forum, I have to admit.
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You have the most -- active -- imagination on this forum, I have to admit.
Well, I look forward to you entering a discussion about police and police brutality with Groveler.
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Well, I look forward to you entering a discussion about police and police brutality with Groveler.
Did you put him on retainer?
You should PM him with some number$.
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Groveler, Vietnam veteran, is the foremost honest expert on the role and conduct of police in America on this forum.
Hence, he is a far better authority on this issue than I am and you should direct all of your pro-cop arguments to him as well.
Unless, of course, you are afraid to do so or your only purpose is to prove your argument to me.
What is this "fear" you are trying to inject into this argument? You started this thread and argument. Stand up for it. You bring up Groveler for support because he shares some views as you. There are lots of campaign veterans here on this forum; some police officers as well. How is being in the Vietnam campaign make a person an expert on domestic police matters?
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What is this "fear" you are trying to inject into this argument? You started this thread and argument. Stand up for it. You bring up Groveler for support because he shares some views as you. There are lots of campaign veterans here on this forum; some police officers as well. How is being in the Vietnam campaign make a person an expert on domestic police matters?
I'm sure there have been a few fundamental changes in law enforcement since the Vietnam era as well. Opinions based on the 60s and 70s are likely to be obsolete some 50-60 years later.
That's just my opinion. You should ask macsak to see if he concurs, though.
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What is this "fear" you are trying to inject into this argument? You started this thread and argument. Stand up for it.
I already had a lot of exchanges with you in this thread that I feel were adequate enough to address the issues you raise.
You bring up Groveler for support because he shares some views as you. There are lots of campaign veterans here on this forum; some police officers as well. How is being in the Vietnam campaign make a person an expert on domestic police matters?
Groveler was one of the few Americans that I ever knew, who willingly signed up to serve his nation during one of the most unpopular wars undertaken by the US. That kind of resolve is rare to start with and says much about his character. He is a man of deep conviction and will stick to his guns, no matter how unpopular his stance may be to his peers.
In regards to his understanding of police, he does not let political correctness get in his way on his overall analysis on what cops really are, who they really serve, and their true nature, if push comes to shove. That is why I am a student of his views of police and will always defer to him on this issue.
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I already had a lot of exchanges with you in this thread that I feel were adequate enough to address the issues you raise.
Groveler was one of the few Americans that I ever knew, who willingly signed up to serve his nation during one of the most unpopular wars undertaken by the US. That kind of resolve is rare to start with and says much about his character. He is a man of deep conviction and will stick to his guns, no matter how unpopular his stance may be to his peers.
In regards to his understanding of police, he does not let political correctness get in his way on his overall analysis on what cops really are, who they really serve, and their true nature, if push comes to shove. That is why I am a student of his views of police and will always defer to him on this issue.
Translation: "Groveler confirms my biases, so his opinion carries more weight than anybody else's on here."
Gotcha. O0
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Translation: "Groveler confirms my biases, so his opinion carries more weight than anybody else's on here."
Oh Flapp, his views resonate more truth in regards to cops that most others, who have posted on this topic in this forum.
If you have not noticed recently, outside of the gutless rioters and looters taking advantage of the current situation, there are literally thousands of other people, who apparently agree with Groveler's take on fascists police goons that are peacefully protesting the latest murder of George Floyd all across the US.
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Oh Flapp, his views resonate more truth in regards to cops that most others, who have posted on this topic in this forum.
If you have not noticed recently, outside of the gutless rioters and looters taking advantage of the current situation, there are literally thousands of other people, who apparently agree with Groveler's take on fascists police goons that are peacefully protesting the latest murder of George Floyd all across the US.
Thousands of people also agreed Trump was/is a Russian asset.
Popularity of opinion has never been the best barometer for the truth. Maybe your relatives moved to Hawaii from Salem, Mass?
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Thousands of people also agreed Trump was/is a Russian asset.
Yes, but you don't see all of those who believed that Trump was a Russian asset take to the streets, riot, and loot do you?
Big difference.
Maybe your relatives moved to Hawaii from Salem, Mass?
Personal insults to my family.
This is how low you need to go to prove your point?
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Yes, but you don't see all of those who believed that Trump was a Russian asset take to the streets, riot, and loot do you?
Big difference.
Personal insults to my family.
This is how low you need to go to prove your point?
there is a rally today at the State Capitol you going? There was one yesterday did you go? You'd find more support for your arguments there.
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there is a rally today at the State Capitol you going? There was one yesterday did you go? You'd find more support for your arguments there.
Is that the reason why you engage in a discussion forum; you are looking for personal validation or support?
I engage in thread posting for a discussion or debate of ideas.
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Is that the reason why you engage in a discussion forum; you are looking for personal validation or support?
I engage in thread posting for a discussion or debate of ideas.
but you deflect to another person i.e. Groveler for rebuttals. I'm not seeking any support. Could care less. Not much traffic here in terms of shooting topics such as reloading or shooting. Seems to be more traffic here on pol stuff.
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I'm listening to the spaceX launch.,
so decided to make a comment.
Interesting comments here.
One thing I want to make perfectly
Clear is I'm a Vietnam era vet,
I never went to Vietnam.
My first job was fixing B52H
avionics, some of these aircraft were
armed with Nuclear weapons.
That is why I say I was crawling around
nukes when I was 18.
I enlisted at age 17.
Another thing, my BIL, is retired USMC.
He is presently a Federal police officer.
So I know at least ONE honorable and trustworthy
Cop.
Looks like launch is on.
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but you deflect to another person i.e. Groveler for rebuttals. I'm not seeking any support. Could care less. Not much traffic here in terms of shooting topics such as reloading or shooting. Seems to be more traffic here on pol stuff.
No, I don't.
Just trying to prove a point that in your case, you are more consumed with personally proving something that you feel is right just to me, rather debating the issue. Groveler is much more experienced on this issue and since you passionately want to prove police are not the fascist cops that they are truly are on the inside, then engage him into your discussion.
What is your excuse to not present your arguments to him?
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I got six years in the military
for Felony assault on a cop,
and a Bailiff.
No offense to Grov but that doesn't sound like "willingly signed up to serve" to me. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That post may also shows why he may have originally found disdain with LE. :grrr:
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No offense to Grov but that doesn't sound like "willingly signed up to serve" to me. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That post may also shows why he may have originally found disdain with LE. :grrr:
How do we know that Groveler was not responding to being roughed up by those people?
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What I deciphered was the Groveler was not a combat vet but received a sentence to serve 6 years in the military for assault on a police officer.
If hes an SME on police matters than every convicted criminal would be an "expert" on police brutality.
Other than falling back on Groveler there are no hard facts that an entire police organization is fascist.
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No offense to Grov but that doesn't sound like "willingly signed up to serve" to me. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That post may also shows why he may have originally found disdain with LE. :grrr:
Too much time discussing me.
I had been nominated to three military
acadmies by my congressman, so I was
trying to get in.
My episode kind of destroyed that,
so I did my time as enlisted instead of
being an officer.
My opinions on cops still stands,
they are a necessary evil.
But evil, none the less.
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...there are no hard facts that an entire police organization is fascist.
OK, suppose your contention is true, what evidence do you cite that proves that cops are not fascist?
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OK, suppose your contention is true, what evidence do you cite that proves that cops are not fascist?
Asking him to prove a negative? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
How typical of someone who can't prove his own thesis.
If the media would post at least as many favorable articles and videos as they do negative involving police officers, maybe you could google your own "evidence."
If you were raised in Hawaii, you probably don't understand how critical good shoes are in areas that have colder climates -- even Florida with cold Winters.
https://youtu.be/h2Ma1vg6NR4
https://youtu.be/DJ56vBessVs
Even though the guy later admits he lied about being homeless, it doesn't change what the officer did:
https://youtu.be/JorEw_75Yg0
Florida police officer buys homeless man shoes
https://www.foxnews.com/us/florida-police-officer-buys-homeless-man-shoes
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/humankind/2015/12/03/officer-caught-camera-buying-homeless-man-shoes/76727994/
https://youtu.be/qRWoRyZoMLk
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And if buying someone in need a pair of shoes doesn't excite you ...
Top 10 police acts of kindness caught on video in 2017
https://www.policeone.com/2017-in-review/articles/top-10-police-acts-of-kindness-caught-on-video-in-2017-4vwZPGya34ACFN7W/
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I dare you to call any of these officers or their families "fascists"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honolulu_Police_Department_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honolulu_Police_Department_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty)
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I dare you to call any of these officers or their families "fascists"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honolulu_Police_Department_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Honolulu_Police_Department_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty)
Relax, no need to get emotional or overexcited.
Unlike another poster, I only debate and discuss issues. I don't make it so personal, as to take those items to the doorsteps of individuals or their families.
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Nice Blue post's guys. :thumbsup:
Probably took you all of seconds to Google that info with a multitude of options ! :geekdanc:
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If what you say is true, how can America label China as a communist regime, when clearly they are not a communist state?
Where did I specifically mention minorities, as a basis of my main argument of police brutality?
Just because the police are not the ruling body politic does not mean that they are not fascist or their actions exempt from being called fascist for any police brutality they committed on the populace.
The militia was never meant to being a standing army for the simple reason they were the militia and the Founding Fathers did not believe in standing armies. The US Constitution calls for a common defense and, since none of the FF wanted a standing army like that of the British empire they fought against, it was implied the militia and its citizen soldiers would be the ones to rally and defend the nation.
no offense, but if you cannot grasp the simple concept that the 2nd amendment was created for one reason, which is to prevent the uprising of a tyrannical government. Im not sure anyone, even groveler (whoever the hell that is), can convince you other wise. The militia was defined by a group of "free" people defending their "own" security. Not a group of citizen soldiers defending the nation, but rather individuals given the God given right to defend themselves from the nation, if need be.