2aHawaii
General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Aegis on April 30, 2020, 10:38:02 AM
-
The municipal golf courses will open on May 8, 2020 (private golf courses may open from May 1). Has anyone heard anything about KHSC?
-
The municipal golf courses will open on May 8, 2020 (private golf courses may open from May 1). Has anyone heard anything about KHSC?
Thats a good question. Ive been getting the itch to play with my new toys!
-
Yeah, I originally thought (and posted) that the range would open up soon after the golf courses did--I guess Fearless Leader isn't getting enough pressure from the 2A community to reconsider opening up KHSC. What's his email?
-
The range chickens are infected with the COVID. Until they socially distant and wear masks we can not.
-
Yeah!
Every other bench would even work.
I always shoot with a mask on anyway because I’m a ninja. 8)
Oh, shit!
COVID chickens.
Does that mean we can shoot ‘em ?
( no you can’t for those of you PETA members Casually lurking)
-
Before signing in a temperature check will be conducted on all shooters. Then they will check to see if your firearms are registered and that you have no 30 caliber magazines that are capable of shooting 50 BMGs in a clip.
-
People
Eat
Tasty
Animals
-
Yeah, I originally thought (and posted) that the range would open up soon after the golf courses did--I guess Fearless Leader isn't getting enough pressure from the 2A community to reconsider opening up KHSC. What's his email?
I sent mayor a message through his website 2 days ago, no reply. I'll send email soon
-
Before signing in a temperature check will be conducted on all shooters. Then they will check to see if your firearms are registered and that you have no 30 caliber magazines that are capable of shooting 50 BMGs in a clip.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=36682.msg326504#msg326504
-
Yeah!
Every other bench would even work.
I always shoot with a mask on anyway because I’m a ninja. 8)
Oh, shit!
COVID chickens.
Does that mean we can shoot ‘em ?
( no you can’t for those of you PETA members Casually lurking)
Grab em and twist their heads off! Used to do that in my fathers butcher shop during my butcher training when I was a kid/teen in Brooklyn NY :D
-
Grab em and twist their heads off! Used to do that in my fathers butcher shop during my butcher training when I was a kid/teen in Brooklyn NY :D
That's how this thing got started in Wuhan, except it was a bat.
-
Does anyone know someone with or got covid? I have had enough of this shit i ask everyone i see and still no one know were this unicorn/holy grail!
-
That's how this thing got started in Wuhan, except it was a bat.
Kinda hard twisting a bats head off ::) they fly real fast and shit! :D
-
Does anyone know someone with or got covid? I have had enough of this shit i ask everyone i see and still no one know were this unicorn/holy grail!
Yeah. Was a friend of friend. He hung out with us prior to the stay home order. He later got sick and tested pos. No one else that was there got sick tho.
-
Kinda hard twisting a bats head off ::) they fly real fast and shit! :D
Ozzy managed just fine. Mid-air too!
-
My nephew who lives in Japan got the virus. He had to fly to Australia for his business and became ill after he returned. He was contacted immediately by some part of the Japanese government upon his return because the guy he sat next to on the way to Australia was diagnosed with the virus. After he went to the doctor they diagnosed him of having Coronavirus without a test. Basically because they didn’t want to waste a test on him. He self quarantined for over a month. Fortunately, he and his beautiful wife were in the process of moving to a new home and she did not have contact with him between the time he came back until the time he was informed and self quarantined. He was isolating himself in his office which had a cot and bathroom but no shower. His wife brought him food everyday. After 2-3 weeks the powers at be (don’t know who is in charge) decided it was no longer a waste (of whatever) to test a white guy for the virus. He came back positive. He was getting terrible medical care due to his skin color and lack of English speaking doctors where he is living. After 5-6 weeks his temperature had not gone away and he was getting sicker. So they took him in an ambulance to the ER and isolated him due to his testing positive for the virus. They treated him for the virus and he got worse. For whatever reason, at this point they decided they didn’t want him in their hospital any more and took him to a different one where they found a doctor that spoke English and was willing to treat a white guy. The new hospital decided to waste another test on him and found he was no longer infected with the virus. BTW, at this point it was 6-7 weeks and he still had not taken a shower and no one was willing to give him a sponge bath. The new hospital allowed him to take a shower, finally.
He had been getting such bad medical care from the first doctor and hospital that he was preparing to pay for a plane to take him back to the US as he is still a US citizen. Just so he could get the proper medical care since the Japanese medical system was letting him down. But right before the flight was going to take place the Japanese government took away the visas of all non citizens traveling and living in Japan. He was informed that he can leave if he wants but he cannot return. With no word as to if his visa will ever be reissued ever again. Since the Japanese market is critical to his business and his wife is a Japanese citizen, he decided if he had left and not returned he would have lost his business and possibly his wife.
He is still in the hospital and I was just informed he is no longer in ICU due to him having a severe problem with his pancreas which is why he kept getting sicker. The problem with the Japanese medical system not wanting to waste Coronavirus tests on him means they cannot tell how long after he was exposed to the virus to the time he started feeling symptoms which is a data point that is desirable. And they could not tell when he was no longer infected even though the first hospital was treating him as if he still had it. We think the first hospital treated him for the virus when he was already over it because they refused to waste a test on him.
We are hoping he can finally go home in the next few days. It’s been almost 2 months now. In the meantime, if he can never get his visa back he may still lose his business as he has to be able to travel for his business. And if he can’t return to Japan, he’s done.
-
Yeah. Was a friend of friend. He hung out with us prior to the stay home order. He later got sick and tested pos. No one else that was there got sick tho.
Okay a friend of a friend got it! Did he die?
And I thought its super contagious??
-
Does anyone know someone with or got covid? I have had enough of this shit i ask everyone i see and still no one know were this unicorn/holy grail!
So does that question mean you dont think it's a real thing?
And to answer your very insensitive question, yes. We almost lost a loved one, and many people have. This unicorn virus, as you put it, is very real...
-
Okay a friend of a friend got it! Did he die?
And I thought its super contagious??
I met him, in person. He’s a real person if that’s what you are getting at. He recovered, but was at higher risk due to other health conditions. No, I didn’t confirm first hand when he got sick, when he got tested, when he got the pos, etc.
So does that question mean you dont think it's a real thing?
And to answer your very insensitive question, yes. We almost lost a loved one, and many people have. This unicorn virus, as you put it, is very real...
Seriously, right? Is it not serious if someone doesn’t die? Is it not serious if no first person connection?
I mean I get people frustrated with shut downs, impact on livelihood, etc. Frustration with gov’t policies, but also with the various extremes in reactions.
-
Okay a friend of a friend got it! Did he die?
And I thought its super contagious??
Just because America is not getting the number of projected infections and deaths of Covid-19, does not mean the virus was a fraud and the lookdown was a totally incorrect decision. Most of the countries in the World has registered cases and deaths to Covid-19 to varying degrees as well as shutdown their own economies; hence, America's shut down was not something no other country has done.
-
:stopjack:
Just my vote.
See thread title.
There are many threads to post about the shutdown. Even one with a poll.
When do you folks think the range will re-open?
Even if under limitations.
And what about the COVID chickens ?
-
So having people in bread line is alright! and having people whole life’s saving/ everything they work for in this life put to the side to let the people that have already lived there to lives! Live abit longer
-
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=36703.0
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=36423.60
I’m not saying anything other there are threads for discussing that. (There’s one more I can’t find right now.)
This one was kinda specific to the range.
-
My air pistol is keeping me occupied in the meantime, but it would be nice to see the range reopen in the next 2 weeks if we do not have a spike in new cases.
-
I'm surprised you Oahu guys
aren't a little more inventive.
-
Hopefully range will be open during the next phase. I honestly thought the space between the seated position at the benches was at least 6’ apart. 🤷🏻♂️ Space on the pistol and metallic side may be more challenging. Without a doubt it’ll be packed the first couple of weeks they’re open. Not sure how they’d run the prone side of the rifle. They’ll probably have to put temporary markers or something.
-
maybe we need to start calling and emailing people
being patient doesn't help anyone. we gotta bitch and moan and protest like everyone else to get something done around here.
-
Must be about 6 feet between benches because I only occasionally get hot brass hitting my hat or in my left ear or on my back.
Still better than large caliber gun guys with muzzle brakes though. :rofl:
They’re opening golf courses...open the range!
-
To answer the OP, everyone should DM macsak. He probably knows. . . :P :rofl:
Personally, I am very much looking forward to getting back out to the range. I had gotten back to shooting quite a lot and consistently since end of last year, wondering how the layoff will affect things. That said, it's not like I am uber itching to shoot. Lots of other things going on right now.
-
I emailed range master Mike this morning, got a response very quickly
he said he doesn't have a date for reopen. stay tuned to Mayor's announcements.
will have restrictions at kokohead , most likely, due to the pandemic.
so I guess its in the Mayors hands now.....
-
pretty soon i'll be calling the mayors office
-
I hope the range opens soon. It has been around 9 months since I was last at the range. I will be back up and making ammo within the next month. Already making plans to go shooting with my nephew and another member here who is also in AZ.
I think this whole shut down is ridiculous.
-
I hope the range opens soon. It has been around 9 months since I was last at the range. :sleeping: :sleeping:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
-
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I forgot to feed the cat today. Retirement does some weird shit to your mind! :rofl:
-
I forgot to feed the cat today. Retirement does some weird shit to your mind! :rofl:
OF with his "cat"
(http://i.imgur.com/1YH3c6P.gif) (https://imgur.com/1YH3c6P)
-
I forgot to feed the cat today. Retirement does some weird shit to your mind! :rofl:
Dee
men
she
ya
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
-
pretty soon i'll be calling the mayors office
I think I have video somewhere where he stated that he "supports the second amendment". ::)
;D
:rofl:
-
(http://i.imgur.com/1YH3c6P.gif) (https://imgur.com/1YH3c6P)
Roflmfao
-
I can shoot anytime I want.
At any range I want.
What is your problem?
Quit paying your HPD.
Problem solved.
-
(http://i.imgur.com/1YH3c6P.gif) (https://imgur.com/1YH3c6P)
Damn, OF needs a shave! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
-
I emailed the mayor and Ige today to urge them to expedite the reopening of kokohead
i'll call them later too
we should start to email and call them until kokohead is reopened
I can't just sit back and wait. I've reloaded more than I have in my life, I got projects I need to test, I got firearms I haven't even shot yet, I getting ants in my pants already. hurry up already!!! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
-
What are their emails and numbers? I got time on my hands (when I'm not selling stuff, that is) :thumbsup:
-
you have to email through their website
mayor:
http://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/contactthemayor.html
Phone: (808) 768-4141
Ige:
https://governor.hawaii.gov/contact-us/contact-the-governor/
Phone: (808) 586-0034
-
you have to email through their website
mayor:
http://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/contactthemayor.html (http://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/contactthemayor.html)
Phone: (808) 768-4141
Ige:
https://governor.hawaii.gov/contact-us/contact-the-governor/ (https://governor.hawaii.gov/contact-us/contact-the-governor/)
Phone: (808) 586-0034
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
-
Ok must beblind but went to the provided link to write kermit and scaldwell but no can find scaldwell’s email address! Found Kermit’s and letter sent. Must be getting tired ::) :sleeping:
BTW wonder if LEO’s are shooting at Kokohead? Scumbags probably are...
-
http://khsc.info/index.php/about/hours/
link from KGS's website.
(https://imgflip.com/gif/40d8mm)
-
http://khsc.info/index.php/about/hours/
link from KGS's website.
(https://imgflip.com/gif/40d8mm)
Contact London and tell him he needs to make some changes to the website.
-
like other "essential" businesses they need more than email, letters and phone calls...
-
I'm sure the range will open next. The golf restrictions are out, I'm guessing the golf practice range would be like Koko head. Tables 6 ft apart, max 10 people per range, disinfect tables between users.
https://www.kitv.com/story/42094211/municipal-golf-courses-open-on-oahu-restriction-heavy
-
Damn, OF needs a shave! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
....
Well, I can't get a haircut .
-
Got this list from 10/2019
Governor David Ige
https://governor.hawaii.gov/
808-586-0034
Hawaii State Capitol
Honolulu, HI 96813
Mayor Kirk Caldwell
mayor@honolulu.gov
(808) 768-4141
Fax (808) 768-5552
City Hall Address below:
Honolulu Hale
530 S. King St.
Honolulu, HI 96813
Honolulu City Council Fax: (808) 768-5011
District 1 - Kymberly Marcos Pine
Portions of Ewa Villages and Ewa Beach, Kapolei, Makakilo, Kalaeloa, Honokai Hale, Ko Olina, Nanakuli, Ma'ili, Wai'anae, Makaha, Kea'au, Makua
Phone: (808) 768-5001
E-mail kmpine@honolulu.gov
District 2 – Heidi Tsuneyoshi
Mililani Mauka,Wahiawa, Mokuleia,Waialua, Haleiwa, Pupukea, Sunset Beach, Kahuku, Laie, Hauula, Punaluu, Kahana, Kaaawa, Kualoa, Waiahole,and Kahaluu
Phone: (808) 768-5002
E-mail htsuneyoshi@honolulu.gov
District 3 - Ikaika Anderson
Ahuimanu, Heeia, Haiku, Kaneohe, Maunawili, Kailua, Olomana, Enchanted Lake, and Waimanalo.
Phone: (808) 768-5003
E-mail ianderson@honolulu.gov
District 4 – Tommy Waters
Hawaii Kai, Kuliouou, Niu Valley, Aina Haina, Wailupe, Waialae-Iki, Kalani Valley, Kahala, Wilhemina Rise, Kaimuki, portions of Kapahulu, Diamond Head, Black Point, Waikiki, and Ala Moana Beach Park.
Phone: (808) 768-5004
E-mail tommy.waters@honolulu.gov
District 5 - Ann Kobayashi
Kaimuki, Palolo Valley, St. Louis Heights, Manoa, Moiliili, McCully, and portions of Ala Moana, Kakaako, and Makiki.
Phone: (808) 768-5005
E-mail akobayashi@honolulu.gov
District 6 - Carol Fukunaga
Portions of Makiki, Downtown Honolulu, Punchbowl, Pauoa Valley, Nuuanu, Alewa Heights, Papakolea, Fort Shafter, Moanalua, Halawa, Aiea, Kalihi Valley, and portions of Liliha and Kalihi.
Phone: (808) 768-5006
E-mail cafukunaga@honolulu.gov
District 7 - Joey Manahan
Kalihi, lwilei, Kalihi Kai, Mapunapuna, Salt Lake, Aliamanu, Hickam, Foster Village, Ford Island, and Sand Island.
Phone: (808) 768-5007
E-mail jmanahan@honolulu.gov
District 8 – Brandon Elefante
Pearl City, Pearl City Peninsula, Waimalu, Crestview, Waipio Gentry, portions of Waipahu.
Phone: (808) 768-5008
E-mabelefante@honolulu.gov
District 9 - Ron Menor
Waikele, Village Park, Royal Kunia, Mililani Town, West Loch, Iroquois Point, and portions of Ewa Villages and Ewa Beach.
Phone: (808) 768-5009
E-mail rmenor@honolulu.gov
-
I'm sure the range will open next. The golf restrictions are out, I'm guessing the golf practice range would be like Koko head. Tables 6 ft apart, max 10 people per range, disinfect tables between users.
https://www.kitv.com/story/42094211/municipal-golf-courses-open-on-oahu-restriction-heavy
Range restrooms no more even soap. They gonna spend money on clorox wipes? When we go, the wife puts liquid soap in both restrooms.
-
....
Well, I can't get a haircut .
Well, I can't get a haircut .
[/quote]
I did hippie hair a while back.
Got my hair caught in my car creeper
Hard to be rescued when you are underneath
a five thousand pound truck.
I had to use my knife.
I'm one of those guys that always
carries a knife.
After that I bought one of those
Wahl hair trimmers.
I buzz cut military style
and keep beard at about 1/4 inch.
Trimmer cost around thirty bucks
a haircut and trim can cost that much.
So I'm way ahead.
Us old farts need to show the kids
how its done.
-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMDWep4rD5Q&list=TLPQMDYwNTIwMjAec5TskNKW-w&index=1
-
got a response from Ige's office today:
Thank you for contacting our office on May 5, 2020 regarding the Koko Head Shooting Complex during COVID-19.
The global spread of the virus that causes COVID-19 is very concerning to Governor Ige. This is a rapidly changing situation, and the Governor will continue to work with county, state and federal partners to gather information and make decisions to protectthe health of Hawaiʻi's residents, particularly those most vulnerable – our kupuna and those with chronic health conditions.
In efforts to support ongoing State and county responses to COVID-19, the Governor has issued several emergency proclamations which can be reviewed at https://governor.hawaii.gov/category/newsroom/emergency-proclamations/.
In addition, each of the Mayor's have issued orders and/or proclamations pertaining to their specific County. Orders pertaining the City and County of Honolulu can be viewed at http://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/proclamations-orders-and-rules.html.
For more information or questions about COVID-19 call 2-1-1 from any location in the state, or visit health.hawaii.gov/covid19 or coronavirus.gov.
Additionally, for information pertaining to the Economic & Community Recovery, please visit https://recoverynavigator.hawaii.gov
We appreciate you taking the time to share your views and concerns with us and we will consider your comments along with all other public input as we strive to keep communities healthy across Hawaiʻi and address the current health crisis and related issues.
or in other words, they don't know when it will open. :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
-
Just speculating but I wouldn't be surprised they will install hand sanitizers at every entrance and by the log in book. Then they will either paint or tape lines every 6 ft. What for? Who knows, they'll probably just do it just to do it.
Then all the benches, chairs, couches behind the firing line will be taken away and single chairs every 6 ft. will be installed. Anchored to the ground. (cause us guys going move um...)
And yeah, disinfecting soap dispensers in the restrooms. And more lines on the ground I guess. I dunno I have a bad feeling they will contemplate this and I hope I'm wrong.
Aside from the soap dispensers, I think all this other stuff is not necessary. They always complain nomo money. So no need. Even the soap. We get 'um. No worry. Just open the range already.
In my opinion, the current numbers of Covid-19 cases show that we can be more aggressive in opening up the state. The only thing they really need to concentrate on is how to control the fricken tourists coming into the state.
-
Just speculating but I wouldn't be surprised they will install hand sanitizers at every entrance and by the log in book. Then they will either paint or tape lines every 6 ft. What for? Who knows, they'll probably just do it just to do it.
Then all the benches, chairs, couches behind the firing line will be taken away and single chairs every 6 ft. will be installed. Anchored to the ground. (cause us guys going move um...)
And yeah, disinfecting soap dispensers in the restrooms. And more lines on the ground I guess. I dunno I have a bad feeling they will contemplate this and I hope I'm wrong.
Aside from the soap dispensers, I think all this other stuff is not necessary. They always complain nomo money. So no need. Even the soap. We get 'um. No worry. Just open the range already.
In my opinion, the current numbers of Covid-19 cases show that we can be more aggressive in opening up the state. The only thing they really need to concentrate on is how to control the fricken tourists coming into the state.
Maybe now would be a good time to request lane dividers for the pistol side? Help keep that flying brass from annoying the neighbors. Justification would be "social distancing."
:thumbsup:
-
Maybe now would be a good time to request lane dividers for the pistol side? Help keep that flying brass from annoying the neighbors. Justification would be "social distancing."
:thumbsup:
Great idea! I'm sure that's one covid-19 modification all pistol shooters will appreciate! :shaka:
-
https://www.foxnews.com/media/de-blasio-new-york-city-coronavirus (https://www.foxnews.com/media/de-blasio-new-york-city-coronavirus)
waiting for more bailout money
-
I received an e-mail reply from the Mayor's office on my request to open the Koko Head Shooting Complex, here it is;
Aloha,
Thank you for your email and for taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns. Please know that Mayor Caldwell and the entire City Administration is working hard to chart a safe and gradual path towards lifting current emergency restrictions and opening up the economy. Under Mayor Caldwell’s Emergency Order 2020-09, effective from 4:30pm on Thursday, April 30 through 4:30pm on May 18, limited services and business operations are open to the public.
Please note, under Mayor Caldwell’s Emergency Order 2020-08, all City and County of Honolulu parks (except Hanauma Bay Nature Preserve and Koko Head Shooting Complex), are open only for walking, running, jogging, or biking. Unfortunately, we cannot open the Koko Head Shooting Complex for the public at this time although we will likely open it up some time in the near future. We are working on a phased re-opening of this facility. Please note, all City parks are also available for usage of open comfort stations/showers, accessing designated community garden plots, and traversing City parks to engage in ocean activities such as swimming, surfing, solo paddling, and other activities allowed by law.
Please understand that everyone is making sacrifices in these difficult times. Thousands have lost their jobs, businesses are closing, medical workers are putting themselves in harm’s way to assist the highly contagious ill. We believe that asking the public to adjust their normal recreational routine to help combat this pandemic is a reasonable sacrifice.
We understand this is a very difficult time, and we appreciate the cooperation of our community as we work together to limit the spread and impact of this pandemic. We hope to start relaxing the restrictions based on assessing the risks to the community and the results from more testing for cases. Thank you for understanding the need to stay at home and helping to keep our Oʻahu safe.
Sincerely,
City and County of Honolulu
COVID-19 Response Information Team
For additional information, including FAQs, go to: www.oneoahu.org
For State Department of Health information and updates on COVID-19, go to: https://hawaiicovid19.com
For other referral services, go to: www.auw211.org
-
let's forget about science on this one
-
I'm not understanding, so hurry up and open!
-
Please note, under Mayor Caldwell’s Emergency Order 2020-08, all City and County of Honolulu parks (except Hanauma Bay Nature Preserve and Koko Head Shooting Complex), are open only for walking, running, jogging, or biking. Unfortunately, we cannot open the Koko Head Shooting Complex for the public at this time although we will likely open it up some time in the near future. We are working on a phased re-opening of this facility. Please note, all City parks are also available for usage of open comfort stations/showers, accessing designated community garden plots, and traversing City parks to engage in ocean activities such as swimming, surfing, solo paddling, and other activities allowed by law.
Typical politician-esque response. . . ::)
-
it's all about power - nothing to do with what is rational. I bet most politicians don't understand the term "flatten the curve". I bet most of them believe that it refers to having close to zero infections.
-
When they said they are working on a "phased re-opening of the facility" I resigned myself to accepting that it won't open anytime soon.
-
Interpretation..... I dont know
-
called mayor's office and left a message to urge them to expedite the reopening of kokohead shooting complex and how easy it would be to maintain guidelines
also called governor's office but unable to leave message. they are not taking any messages because Ainokea. hey Ige…. (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/16/9f/38169f937ef4214ae22e09517ef4fa14.gif)
-
called mayor's office and left a message to urge them to expedite the reopening of kokohead shooting complex and how easy it would be to maintain guidelines
also called governor's office but unable to leave message. they are not taking any messages because Ainokea. hey Ige….
I'm definitely NO fan of Ige. In fact quite the opposite. I used to work with his brother and when when Ige was elected, I saw how cabinet positions were filled. That included said brother and a college classmate (whom incidentally I can't stand either). So many TOTALLY not fit for those positions.
Anyways, just when I think Ige can't possibly handle things worse, or come up with a bonehead way to bumble things, he goes and proves me wrong. . . ::)
-
I'm definitely NO fan of Ige. In fact quite the opposite. I used to work with his brother and when when Ige was elected, I saw how cabinet positions were filled. That included said brother and a college classmate (whom incidentally I can't stand either). So many TOTALLY not fit for those positions.
Anyways, just when I think Ige can't possibly handle things worse, or come up with a bonehead way to bumble things, he goes and proves me wrong. . . ::)
Yeah, still can't figure out how he managed to screw up the opening dates the other day.
You figure, with this crisis the most important criteria in everyone's minds lately, he can at least get the dates right. It's not like there's more things pressing nowadays, the state is in a literal standstill. Dead in the water.
-
Yeah, still can't figure out how he managed to screw up the opening dates the other day.
You figure, with this crisis the most important criteria in everyone's minds lately, he can at least get the dates right. It's not like there's more things pressing nowadays, the state is in a literal standstill. Dead in the water.
The shitty thing about all of that (well among others) is that Green is coming out of this looking like a damn savior.
-
The shitty thing about all of that (well among others) is that Green is coming out of this looking like a damn savior.
He is looking like that to a lot of people.
And that’s friggin’ scary.
-
golf is open, retail will open soon, malls will open next week, salon and haircut places may open soon too. and Costco is more crowded than its ever been and its been open all this time.
its easier to maintain social distance and keep areas clean and sanitary at the range than it is at a mall or salon. range is very similar to golf driving range or playing golf. golf is not a right, its not even a sport. guys driving around in battery operated tiny cars hitting a small ball into a hole. that's not a sport. that's married men hiding from their families. that's what that is.
when these places open before the range does, that means we are getting screwed! :grrr:
-
One possible hangup for the range not opening yet is the RSO's. They have to interact with shooters at a close distance due to the noise, and may have to physically touch them. They also routinely touch the guns to check them.
-
He is looking like that to a lot of people.
And that’s friggin’ scary.
Yup. He's a total front. He was even shown on TV so many times stressing importance of X and then shown on camera later not doing X himself. I used to see him on walks with his wife (at least I think it was his wife) and totally not "walking the walk" of what he was on TV earlier in the day stating the importance of, which was wearing masks in public.
-
The shitty thing about all of that (well among others) is that Green is coming out of this looking like a damn savior.
you left out "i'm a doctor" when you refer to green...
-
Yup. He's a total front. He was even shown on TV so many times stressing importance of X and then shown on camera later not doing X himself. I used to see him on walks with his wife (at least I think it was his wife) and totally not "walking the walk" of what he was on TV earlier in the day stating the importance of, which was wearing masks in public.
it's worse, he's a full on socialist
and likely to be our next governor
the real doctors and fake doctors all don't care for him...
-
you left out "i'm a doctor" when you refer to green...
Where the guy throwing the middle finger emoji when I need it?
it's worse, he's a full on socialist
and likely to be our next governor
the real doctors and fake doctors all don't care for him...
Yeah, I got the socialist part from him. Didn’t want to go too far. Ya know, being a public forum and all. :facepalm: :124:
-
the main reason why they not opening the range soon is bc mayor and governor don't give a crap about the range. that's why
they can give this reason or that reason. but that's just political talk for "I don't give a crap about you and what you want, even if it makes sense."
-
Got this list from 10/2019
Governor David Ige
https://governor.hawaii.gov/
808-586-0034
Hawaii State Capitol
Honolulu, HI 96813
Mayor Kirk Caldwell
mayor@honolulu.gov
(808) 768-4141
Fax (808) 768-5552
City Hall Address below:
Honolulu Hale
530 S. King St.
Honolulu, HI 96813
Honolulu City Council Fax: (808) 768-5011
District 1 - Kymberly Marcos Pine
Portions of Ewa Villages and Ewa Beach, Kapolei, Makakilo, Kalaeloa, Honokai Hale, Ko Olina, Nanakuli, Ma'ili, Wai'anae, Makaha, Kea'au, Makua
Phone: (808) 768-5001
E-mail kmpine@honolulu.gov
District 2 – Heidi Tsuneyoshi
Mililani Mauka,Wahiawa, Mokuleia,Waialua, Haleiwa, Pupukea, Sunset Beach, Kahuku, Laie, Hauula, Punaluu, Kahana, Kaaawa, Kualoa, Waiahole,and Kahaluu
Phone: (808) 768-5002
E-mail htsuneyoshi@honolulu.gov
District 3 - Ikaika Anderson
Ahuimanu, Heeia, Haiku, Kaneohe, Maunawili, Kailua, Olomana, Enchanted Lake, and Waimanalo.
Phone: (808) 768-5003
E-mail ianderson@honolulu.gov
District 4 – Tommy Waters
Hawaii Kai, Kuliouou, Niu Valley, Aina Haina, Wailupe, Waialae-Iki, Kalani Valley, Kahala, Wilhemina Rise, Kaimuki, portions of Kapahulu, Diamond Head, Black Point, Waikiki, and Ala Moana Beach Park.
Phone: (808) 768-5004
E-mail tommy.waters@honolulu.gov
District 5 - Ann Kobayashi
Kaimuki, Palolo Valley, St. Louis Heights, Manoa, Moiliili, McCully, and portions of Ala Moana, Kakaako, and Makiki.
Phone: (808) 768-5005
E-mail akobayashi@honolulu.gov
District 6 - Carol Fukunaga
Portions of Makiki, Downtown Honolulu, Punchbowl, Pauoa Valley, Nuuanu, Alewa Heights, Papakolea, Fort Shafter, Moanalua, Halawa, Aiea, Kalihi Valley, and portions of Liliha and Kalihi.
Phone: (808) 768-5006
E-mail cafukunaga@honolulu.gov
District 7 - Joey Manahan
Kalihi, lwilei, Kalihi Kai, Mapunapuna, Salt Lake, Aliamanu, Hickam, Foster Village, Ford Island, and Sand Island.
Phone: (808) 768-5007
E-mail jmanahan@honolulu.gov
District 8 – Brandon Elefante
Pearl City, Pearl City Peninsula, Waimalu, Crestview, Waipio Gentry, portions of Waipahu.
Phone: (808) 768-5008
E-mabelefante@honolulu.gov
District 9 - Ron Menor
Waikele, Village Park, Royal Kunia, Mililani Town, West Loch, Iroquois Point, and portions of Ewa Villages and Ewa Beach.
Phone: (808) 768-5009
E-mail rmenor@honolulu.gov
Thanks I will be emailing them daily
-
One possible hangup for the range not opening yet is the RSO's. They have to interact with shooters at a close distance due to the noise, and may have to physically touch them. They also routinely touch the guns to check them.
Dey can use gloves and one bamboo stick fo get da shootas attention.
-
Theres no logical reason to not open the range
Golf is back, retail will open, malls will open, Costco is super crowded
We should all email and call them daily. 10x a day. As much as you can.
Give us a date to reopen. So far it's all BS
-
Theres no logical reason to not open the range
Golf is back, retail will open, malls will open, Costco is super crowded
We should all email and call them daily. 10x a day. As much as you can.
Give us a date to reopen. So far it's all BS
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
-
One possible hangup for the range not opening yet is the RSO's. They have to interact with shooters at a close distance due to the noise, and may have to physically touch them. They also routinely touch the guns to check them.
I don't ever recall being touched by any of the RSOs, nor have they ever touched my firearms without asking first (or if they were assisting with a jam)[NO, I do not need a hug!]
On the pistol side a couple of the guys would offer coaching or direct assistance if requested, but it's not absolutely necessary for them to interact with shooters at contact range.
The range is simply not a priority of fearless leader.
-
The way I see it opening KHSC poses no more danger than the other places that opened or will soon open.
Once the State opens up more and more, people working, shopping, and doing business in enclosed places will always be more subject to infection than the open air environment of KHSC.
Our leaders need to have trust in their constituents to do the right thing when out and about. No lover of shooting and shooting sports would jeopardize having the facility close due to non-adherence to safety protocols.
When I think of what is going to open soon vs. why KHSC remains closed, I cannot help but get paranoid about the idea that our leaders just don't like shooters, the shooting sports, firearms, and an armed citizenship that can think critically and are courageous enough to challenge authority, prejudice, and ineptness. They seem to want to prolong the opening as long as possible, all in the name of safety.
I know it's paranoia and I hope in the next couple of weeks I'm wrong.
-
What better way to implement their anti gun agenda than to deny us a place to shoot! :'(
-
The way I see it opening KHSC poses no more danger than the other places that opened or will soon open.
Once the State opens up more and more, people working, shopping, and doing business in enclosed places will always be more subject to infection than the open air environment of KHSC.
Our leaders need to have trust in their constituents to do the right thing when out and about. No lover of shooting and shooting sports would jeopardize having the facility close due to non-adherence to safety protocols.
When I think of what is going to open soon vs. why KHSC remains closed, I cannot help but get paranoid about the idea that our leaders just don't like shooters, the shooting sports, firearms, and an armed citizenship that can think critically and are courageous enough to challenge authority, prejudice, and ineptness. They seem to want to prolong the opening as long as possible, all in the name of safety.
I know it's paranoia and I hope in the next couple of weeks I'm wrong.
All true points. They think truly, that people need to be ruled over and subjugated. This whole ordeal is a perfect example and proof of this. Most reasonable people will take the necessary precautions to keep themselves and their families safe from the virus, with the proper knowledge, data, and correct recommendations.
It is the exact same thing we see with firearms in this state. They think they need to have tyrannical control over ever aspect of gun ownership, to keep the "wild west" from occurring.
and we see the exact same results in the virus outbreak, as we do with their asinine gun laws. People do what they do, criminals still get guns and commit crimes, people still catch the virus, same same. The only thing they successfully accomplish is preventing reasonable people from going about their normal existence safely and effectively. (with their lackadaisical response to the pandemic, I do not believe any of their actions to lock down, and whatever, had any real significant effect on our numbers.)
-
in Sweden they trusted their citizens to do the right thing and not mandate a lockdown
-
Kokohead you have to sign in, RSO enforce rules. All other parks dont do this. Except hanauma bay sort of.
Tracking park users and enforcement of rules are much much easier to do at kokohead than any other park
No reason to not open kokohead. Only reason is bc our leaders no like open kokohead
-
in Sweden they trusted their citizens to do the right thing and not mandate a lockdown
Or be like Norway which has an annual practical shooting skills test. :thumbsup:
-
golf is open....
Golf balls make perfect targets. Set yourself up near one of the holes at your favorite course and shoot at any balls that roll your way. Good fun!!! :rofl:
-
golf is open, retail will open soon, malls will open next week, salon and haircut places may open soon too. and Costco is more crowded than its ever been and its been open all this time.
its easier to maintain social distance and keep areas clean and sanitary at the range than it is at a mall or salon.
when these places open before the range does, that means we are getting screwed! :grrr:
Those places mentioned above have more potential of passing infection than the open air environment of KHSC. They're thinking of opening malls and food courts like Ala Moana. Even if they implement social distancing (less people in stores, space tables, etc.) the people are still in enclosed spaces. Way more chances to spread infection in my opinion.
If our leaders allow golf courses, hiking trails, and parks to open and not open KHSC, the logic does not follow. All the excuses our leaders make in defense of not opening KHSC will make them look stupid in my opinion.
A simple sign at KHSC that says MAINTAIN SOCIAL DISTANCE for people not on the firing line should be enough.
There is no perfect world. People will be people. Most obey laws. Some don't. Our leaders think we are stupid when they give lame, cowardly excuses for hidden agendas.
-
emailed the Mayor again. still haven't received a response from the first email I sent him
Mayor Caldwell,
I would like to urge you to open Kokohead shooting complex as soon as possible. The shooting range would be relatively easy to maintain social distancing guidelines and maintain cleanliness. It would be easier to enforce than all other parks because there are Range Safety Officers at the range to enforce rules, and you have to sign in to use the range. No other parks do this. Therefore it is easier to track users of the park and easier to enforce rules at the shooting range than it is at any other park. Please reopen Kokohead Shooting Complex ASAP.
thank you,
***** ********
-
I just finished sending Mayor Caldwell a request to please open KHSC asap. I asked nicely. ;D No sense getting all tan-taran, lol!
Hopefully if more of us send requests it'll help getting the park open sooner. No harm done in trying.
-
I just finished sending Mayor Caldwell a request to please open KHSC asap. I asked nicely. ;D No sense getting all tan-taran, lol!
Hopefully if more of us send requests it'll help getting the park open sooner. No harm done in trying.
i'm going to call and/or email daily. mayor and governor
-
got a response from today's email pretty quick although doesn't really say anything. same old BS :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
Aloha *****,
Thank you for your comments to re-open the Koko Head Shooting Complex. While we anticipate an announcement regarding outdoor activities soon, at this time, we are unable to give dates or a timeline as to whenspecific restrictions will be modified or suspended. Please know that Mayor Caldwell and the entire City Administration are working hard to chart a safe and gradual path towards lifting current emergency restrictions and opening up the economy.
Determinations regarding the re-opening of businesses and activities and the timeline for doing so are being made in consultation with epidemiologists, public health experts, and medical professionals. Thesedeterminations are being made on the basis of both an environmental assessment and a risk assessment of the business, service, or activity being considered, including any potential modifications to reduce the associated risks.
We appreciate the cooperation of our community as we work together to limit the spread and impact of this pandemic.
Sincerely,
City and County of Honolulu
COVID-19 Response Information Team
For additional information, including FAQs, go to: www.oneoahu.org
For State Department of Health information and updates on COVID-19, go to: https://hawaiicovid19.com
For other referral services, go to: www.auw211.org
-
Email blast .... not the word but whatever the word...Mayor Caldwell.
Email sent.
you have to email through their website
mayor:
http://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/contactthemayor.html
Phone: (808) 768-4141
Ige:
https://governor.hawaii.gov/contact-us/contact-the-governor/
Phone: (808) 586-0034
-
Khsc is low on the priority list because it generates $0.00
It's actually a drain on the budget because they have to start paying the RO's again.
-
Khsc is low on the priority list because it generates $0.00
It's actually a drain on the budget because they have to start paying the RO's again.
True that KHSC generates zero $. And every shooting enthusiast including myself are thankful that we have a place to shoot free.
I don't believe the RSO's wages and salaries are based on revenue from the park itself, but from a budget already fiscally approved. Similar to the lifeguards at beaches and rangers at parks. And all of our taxes are paying for these services.
We should tread lightly but strongly make our wishes known. If nobody says anything they will stick their heads in the sand and hope it goes away.
We don't want to lose what little we have now but I have a feeling if we don't make our wishes known they will procrastinate.
-
I offer no excuse. reopen. now! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
-
kokohead users are trackable bc we sign in
rules are enforced by RSO. I've seen them kick people out of there for not obeying the rules. no other parks have enforcement of rules. I've been to the beach, hiking trails, malls, Costco, Walmart, safeway. all those places do a very poor job of enforcing social distancing and keeping the area clean. safeway has a sign to not place your stuff on the belt until the cashier says so, so they can clean the area between customers. I've never seen 1 cashier clean the area between customers yet. last time I went I put my stuff on the belt when previous customer was done. cashier pointed at sign. so I took my stuff off. not even 1 second went by and she said "ok you can put your things down now". so kept on putting my stuff on and off, on and off, on and off saying to her "how bout now. how bout now. how bout now." i'm getting short fuse now with everyone else being so stupid. she didn't even clean the belt. why you want to remove my stuff for .2 seconds just to tell me "ok now" what a bitch!!! :grrr:
we need to keep calling. emailing. bitching to them. bc the longer we wait, the longer we wait. :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
-
It's called total control. Maybe she learned it from our anti-gun politicians...... ;)
. safeway has a sign to not place your stuff on the belt until the cashier says so, so they can clean the area between customers. I've never seen 1 cashier clean the area between customers yet. last time I went I put my stuff on the belt when previous customer was done. cashier pointed at sign. so I took my stuff off. not even 1 second went by and she said "ok you can put your things down now". so kept on putting my stuff on and off, on and off, on and off saying to her "how bout now. how bout now. how bout now." i'm getting short fuse now with everyone else being so stupid. she didn't even clean the belt. why you want to remove my stuff for .2 seconds just to tell me "ok now" what a bitch!!! :grrr:
we need to keep calling. emailing. bitching to them. bc the longer we wait, the longer we wait. :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
-
be careful, you wouldn't want to be red-flagged seriously!
-
be careful, you wouldn't want to be red-flagged seriously!
===========
....sez the guy with a house full of guns and ammo
-
much less ammo and other stuff NOW
-
===========
....sez the guy with a house full of guns and ammo
I remind myself about that "fact" every time I go out so I'll be civil and not trigger someone >:D
-
kokohead users are trackable bc we sign in
rules are enforced by RSO. I've seen them kick people out of there for not obeying the rules. no other parks have enforcement of rules. I've been to the beach, hiking trails, malls, Costco, Walmart, safeway. all those places do a very poor job of enforcing social distancing and keeping the area clean. safeway has a sign to not place your stuff on the belt until the cashier says so, so they can clean the area between customers. I've never seen 1 cashier clean the area between customers yet. last time I went I put my stuff on the belt when previous customer was done. cashier pointed at sign. so I took my stuff off. not even 1 second went by and she said "ok you can put your things down now". so kept on putting my stuff on and off, on and off, on and off saying to her "how bout now. how bout now. how bout now." i'm getting short fuse now with everyone else being so stupid. she didn't even clean the belt. why you want to remove my stuff for .2 seconds just to tell me "ok now" what a bitch!!! :grrr:
we need to keep calling. emailing. bitching to them. bc the longer we wait, the longer we wait. :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
Breathe brother. Breathe. . .
Regarding the range, I hear ya. Totally sucks. I’m itching to get back out there as well. Totally got the shooting bug back second half of 2019. Luckily I was able to get a lot of shooting in before this crap happened as well as replenish at a decent price.
Regarding the Safeway thing, yeah, that stuff drives me nuts. No common sense. That and I always not the lack of SA of folks and even more so now. Dunno if they don’t know, don’t show, or don’t care about what goes on in the hood...
Hang in there. We’ll hopefully be back out shooting soon.
-
kokohead users are trackable bc we sign in
rules are enforced by RSO. I've seen them kick people out of there for not obeying the rules. no other parks have enforcement of rules. I've been to the beach, hiking trails, malls, Costco, Walmart, safeway. all those places do a very poor job of enforcing social distancing and keeping the area clean. safeway has a sign to not place your stuff on the belt until the cashier says so, so they can clean the area between customers. I've never seen 1 cashier clean the area between customers yet. last time I went I put my stuff on the belt when previous customer was done. cashier pointed at sign. so I took my stuff off. not even 1 second went by and she said "ok you can put your things down now". so kept on putting my stuff on and off, on and off, on and off saying to her "how bout now. how bout now. how bout now." i'm getting short fuse now with everyone else being so stupid. she didn't even clean the belt. why you want to remove my stuff for .2 seconds just to tell me "ok now" what a bitch!!! :grrr:
we need to keep calling. emailing. bitching to them. bc the longer we wait, the longer we wait. :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
============
RE. stores...
I had to watch the news last night and a clothing store took off the curtains in the changing rooms because you can't try any clothes on. :rofl:
So if you go into a clothing store and touch the clothes, how can you sanitize everything without ruining the clothes?
It seems to me that having people wear masks and sanitize their hands upon entering a business would take care care of that problem.
Same thing at grocery stores.
Times market doesn't have that safeway rule. Neither does walmart.
-
Did the state shut down hunting? Could a person with bad aim miss a few many times in a public hunting area ??? ;)
-
Honolulu's only public shooting range is not open...but...
you can sunbathe on Kauai
https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/kauai-county-to-allow-sunbathing-on-beaches/ (https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/kauai-county-to-allow-sunbathing-on-beaches/)
-
Did the state shut down hunting? Could a person with bad aim miss a few many times in a public hunting area ??? ;)
I haven't taken the hunter ed course, but I seem to remember someone posting you can use a few rounds to zero your optics/sights in some areas before starting the hunt.
I can neither confirm nor deny ....
-
I haven't taken the hunter ed course, but I seem to remember someone posting you can use a few rounds to zero your optics/sights in some areas before starting the hunt.
I can neither confirm nor deny ....
If I get too itchy was thinking of going hunting with an approved handgun and a dozen hi viz golf balls >:D
-
I haven't taken the hunter ed course, but I seem to remember someone posting you can use a few rounds to zero your optics/sights in some areas before starting the hunt.
I can neither confirm nor deny ....
Used to be a master instructor with Hunter Ed. This is what we taught but more like 3 shots... :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiOpQY2ORo4
-
https://www.businessinsider.com/wisconsin-supreme-court-overturns-coronavirus-tony-evers-shutdown-packed-bars-2020-5 (https://www.businessinsider.com/wisconsin-supreme-court-overturns-coronavirus-tony-evers-shutdown-packed-bars-2020-5)
-
https://www.businessinsider.com/wisconsin-supreme-court-overturns-coronavirus-tony-evers-shutdown-packed-bars-2020-5 (https://www.businessinsider.com/wisconsin-supreme-court-overturns-coronavirus-tony-evers-shutdown-packed-bars-2020-5)
Wisconsinites are very sociable people that also love to indulge in social drinking.
There's no doubt that from here on the nation and others will be watching the state of Wisconsin closely.
Although it is now viewed as the "Wild, Wild West" I'm sure that the majority of those who choose to venture out will do so as safely as possible.
-
I wonder if KHSC qualifies as an Outdoor sport fields?
Below is an excerpt from the Mayor's emergency order.
"Outdoor sport fields and courts only for one-on-one sports or exercise where compliance
with the six (6) feet of physical distance requirement is possible. Starting May 15, 2020,
public and private outdoor sport fields and courts may reopen under the following
conditions:
a. Only outdoor one-on-one sports and exercise activities in which it is both possible
and reasonable for individuals to maintain six (6) feet of physical distance
between each other at all times are permitted. Examples include, but are not
limited to, singles tennis, singles pickle ball, yoga, and tai chi. Excluded, are
activities such as one-on-one or team basketball, in which it is neither possible nor
reasonable to play while maintaining six (6) feet of physical distance.
b. Participants must comply with all applicable Social Distancing Requirements,
including the requirement of participants to maintain physical distance of six (6)
feet from one another at all times. However, participants shall not be required to
wear face coverings while actively participating in an activity authorized under
this section."
-
I wonder if KHSC qualifies as an Outdoor sport fields?
Below is an excerpt from the Mayor's emergency order.
"Outdoor sport fields and courts only for one-on-one sports or exercise where compliance
with the six (6) feet of physical distance requirement is possible. Starting May 15, 2020,
public and private outdoor sport fields and courts may reopen under the following
conditions:
a. Only outdoor one-on-one sports and exercise activities in which it is both possible
and reasonable for individuals to maintain six (6) feet of physical distance
between each other at all times are permitted. Examples include, but are not
limited to, singles tennis, singles pickle ball, yoga, and tai chi. Excluded, are
activities such as one-on-one or team basketball, in which it is neither possible nor
reasonable to play while maintaining six (6) feet of physical distance.
b. Participants must comply with all applicable Social Distancing Requirements,
including the requirement of participants to maintain physical distance of six (6)
feet from one another at all times. However, participants shall not be required to
wear face coverings while actively participating in an activity authorized under
this section."
The order specifically says that all parks are open on a limited basis except KHSC.
-
Anyone know if dueling is considered a one on one sport?
(https://mylesdungan.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/pistol-duel.jpg)
-
The order specifically says that all parks are open on a limited basis except KHSC.
we need red envelopes
-
Anyone know if dueling is considered a one on one sport?
Haters of gun owners would approve ....
-
Anyone know if dueling is considered a one on one sport?
(https://mylesdungan.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/pistol-duel.jpg)
(https://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/4780268.jpg)
-
Anyone know if dueling is considered a one on one sport?
(https://mylesdungan.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/pistol-duel.jpg)
I wonder with those states that have the "mutual combat" law deal with it if firearms are involved.
-
Anyone know if dueling is considered a one on one sport?
(https://mylesdungan.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/pistol-duel.jpg)
🤔 not sure if it’s one on one “sport”, but I’m sure if someone dies it’ll be manslaughter.
-
Trial by combat!
-
Welp...buh-bye May 15...
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/05/14/city-order-reopens-sports-fields-one-on-one-activities-allows-drive-in-religious-services/
-
Does anyone have a measurement from bench to bench at center point is? If its ~6ft. then the range officers shuld be able to open up based off of the restrictions in place.
-
Wisconsinites love to indulge in social drinking and are very sociable people.
FIFY
-
The order specifically says that all parks are open on a limited basis except KHSC.
Where does it say that specifically?
-
Does anyone have a measurement from bench to bench at center point is? If its ~6ft. then the range officers shuld be able to open up based off of the restrictions in place.
Judging from photos, the benches appear to be 32 inches wide, so centerpiont is 16".
However you'd start from the edge of the bench, plus at least one side lane for those that shoot standing or prone. So likely you'd have one or two empty benches between each occupied one.
The range could be rearranged for efficiency by moving benches around and designating additional lanes for stand/prone only.
-
Has our dip shitz mayor ever give a reason why he refuses to open KHSC? drove by there this morning, stopped by the gate and HPD pukes were shooting up a storm...WTF! But it’s ok to open up restaurants! Gawd I really despise those dooshbags! :grrr:
-
Where does it say that specifically?
Page 4 - Order 6 of the order.
-
Has our dip shitz mayor ever give a reason why he refuses to open KHSC? drove by there this morning, stopped by the gate and HPD pukes were shooting up a storm...WTF? Gawd I really despise those dooshbags! :grrr:
:grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
-
Has our dip shitz mayor ever give a reason why he refuses to open KHSC? drove by there this morning, stopped by the gate and HPD pukes were shooting up a storm...WTF! But it’s ok to open up restaurants! Gawd I really despise those dooshbags! :grrr:
we are non essential citizens
but if you are a criminal you are OK :thumbsup:
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/05/14/more-than-dozen-defendants-rearrested-after-release-jails-amidst-covid-fears/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/05/14/more-than-dozen-defendants-rearrested-after-release-jails-amidst-covid-fears/)
I guess its like fly fishing for police :geekdanc:
-
Center point to center point bench to bench might be > 6'
But could go every other bench. Guarantee that's > 6' . At least rifle side
Use police tape to restrict areas. Provide sanitation spray or wipes. I have my own spray and towels if needed. Mask.
Kokohead is the best regulated park. Makes no sense to not reopen it
Can't reason with stupid
-
Page 4 - Order 6 of the order.
Got a link? Thanks
-
Has our dip shitz mayor ever give a reason why he refuses to open KHSC? drove by there this morning, stopped by the gate and HPD pukes were shooting up a storm...WTF! But it’s ok to open up restaurants! Gawd I really despise those dooshbags! :grrr:
I don't know why they would use the park as they have their own range at the academy.
-
Trial by combat!
-
Got a link? Thanks
NP Mrgaf
https://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/may/may_docs/Emergency-Order-No.-2020-11.pdf (https://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/may/may_docs/Emergency-Order-No.-2020-11.pdf)
Order 6: Limited Opening of City Parks
All City and County of Honolulu parks (except Hanauma Bay Nature Preserve and Koko Head Shooting Complex) and botanical gardens ("City Parks"), are to be opened on a limited basis, as set forth below:
A.
City Parks shall be open to individual members of the public for the limited purpose of
1. engaging in outdoor individual exercise activities of walking, running/jogging, and biking on roads and pathways (as permitted by law and park rules);
2. using open comfort stations/showers;
3. accessing designated community garden plots;
-
I don't know why they would use the park as they have their own range at the academy.
The academy is for recruits and renewing quals. KHSC is used for practice the indoor range is lead free only which costs too much.
-
NP Mrgaf
https://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/may/may_docs/Emergency-Order-No.-2020-11.pdf (https://www.honolulu.gov/rep/site/may/may_docs/Emergency-Order-No.-2020-11.pdf)
Order 6: Limited Opening of City Parks
All City and County of Honolulu parks (except Hanauma Bay Nature Preserve and Koko Head Shooting Complex) and botanical gardens ("City Parks"), are to be opened on a limited basis, as set forth below:
A.
City Parks shall be open to individual members of the public for the limited purpose of
1. engaging in outdoor individual exercise activities of walking, running/jogging, and biking on roads and pathways (as permitted by law and park rules);
2. using open comfort stations/showers;
3. accessing designated community garden plots;
Thank bro! Got it...don’t like it but got it.... going to my friends property in the hills tomorrow to exercise my 2a rights....
-
The range chickens are infected with the COVID. Until they socially distant and wear masks we can not.
Deaf chickens.
-
Does anyone have a measurement from bench to bench at center point is? If its ~6ft. then the range officers shuld be able to open up based off of the restrictions in place.
Shooting ranges are federally considered "essential' and supposed to be open, then again the entire "covid rules" are suggestions, not legal edicts.
-
Extending the days for hunting on Kauai gives a small glimmer of hope that our leaders did not forget the shooting/hunting/firearms community.
As more and more parks, beaches, malls, and businesses open, the question soon will be asked as to why the shooting range remains closed if it hasn't been open along with all of the above.
I think it would be reasonable to demand an explanation if it indeed is still closed. Logic does not follow if people are allowed to enter enclosed spaces and open spaces like beaches, parks, and golf courses can open.
KHSC is no different than these open space facilities. We should challenge and appeal to their logic as to why the range is still closed. I know I intend to do that.
I'm hoping it doesn't come down to this but wouldn't be surprised if it did.
-
Logic does not follow if people are allowed to enter enclosed spaces and open spaces like beaches, parks, and golf courses can open.
KHSC is no different than these open space facilities. We should challenge and appeal to their logic as to why the range is still closed. I know I intend to do that.
I'm hoping it doesn't come down to this but wouldn't be surprised if it did.
===========
Logic? :rofl:
Logic notwithstanding, it's not such a bad idea to wear face masks while shooting due to airborne residue.
However, AFAIK, it's not a serious problem at outdoor ranges like KHSC.
-
I just saw on khon morning news that shooting and archery ranges may reopen tomorrow
This better not be fake news!
I emailed range master Mike yesterday, so we shall see.....
-
===========
Logic? :rofl:
Logic notwithstanding, it's not such a bad idea to wear face masks while shooting due to airborne residue.
However, AFAIK, it's not a serious problem at outdoor ranges like KHSC.
Maybe we should resort to telling him we’re going to vote for Tulsi for Gov if he doesn’t hurry up! 🤪
-
I just saw on khon morning news that shooting and archery ranges may reopen tomorrow
This better not be fake news!
I emailed range master Mike yesterday, so we shall see.....
I saw that too, it’s the request from the Mayor’s office to the Governor
-
I can see them restricting the number to every other space, especially on the pistol side. Ho, going be long lines the first month or two, just like when Obama got elected the the 2nd time or when Daiso opened! :crazy: :rofl:
Fingers crossed.
-
I just saw on khon morning news that shooting and archery ranges may reopen tomorrow
This better not be fake news!
I emailed range master Mike yesterday, so we shall see.....
;)... :D... :'( ...:(... >:(
-
i'll bring my own disinfectant spray when the range reopens just in case :D
(https://i.imgflip.com/3vf0rk.gif)
-
I saw that too, it’s the request from the Mayor’s office to the Governor
i'll be paying close attention to the news. now I DVR it every day
I can see them restricting the number to every other space, especially on the pistol side. Ho, going be long lines the first month or two, just like when Obama got elected the the 2nd time or when Daiso opened! :crazy: :rofl:
Fingers crossed.
I can see by appt, time limit
-
COVID19 range reopening target:
(https://www.journal-topics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/23312.jpg)
-
COVID19 range reopening target:
(https://www.journal-topics.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/23312.jpg)
I also was thinking, (which is pretty dangerous btw...…)
Besides range targets,
1) They would make good pet toys for cats and dogs to play with.
2) They can replace the old tired badminton balls with a ball like this.
3) Maybe a Covid-19 pillow?
4) Maybe they can replace the old Bozo the clown red nose with a nose like this. I'd like to buy several thousand of these to send as gifts to certain political leaders and such.
#4 has a lot of sales and profit potential imho. ;)
-
I also was thinking, (which is pretty dangerous btw...…)
Besides range targets,
1) They would make good pet toys for cats and dogs to play with.
2) They can replace the old tired badminton balls with a ball like this.
3) Maybe a Covid-19 pillow?
4) Maybe they can replace the old Bozo the clown red nose with a nose like this. I'd like to buy several thousand of these to send as gifts to certain political leaders and such.
#4 has a lot of sales and profit potential imho. ;)
Max out your profit magins by making the noses and pillows in China 🇨🇳! :thumbsup:
-
May 28th according to news opening koko head
-
https://www.kitv.com/story/42181258/more-businesses-to-reopen-on-oahu-starting-friday
Outdoor attractions may also be able to resume operations with limitations as soon as Thursday, May 28. Public and private outdoor attractions, such as but not limited to sea life attractions, water parks, pools, campgrounds, People’s Open Markets, shooting and archery ranges, and similar outdoor facilities may reopen under the following conditions:
-
https://www.kitv.com/story/42181258/more-businesses-to-reopen-on-oahu-starting-friday
Outdoor attractions may also be able to resume operations with limitations as soon as Thursday, May 28. Public and private outdoor attractions, such as but not limited to sea life attractions, water parks, pools, campgrounds, People’s Open Markets, shooting and archery ranges, and similar outdoor facilities may reopen under the following conditions:
I just saw that on the news! Thats very good news!!!
-
I also was thinking, (which is pretty dangerous btw...…)
Besides range targets,
1) They would make good pet toys for cats and dogs to play with.
2) They can replace the old tired badminton balls with a ball like this.
3) Maybe a Covid-19 pillow?
4) Maybe they can replace the old Bozo the clown red nose with a nose like this. I'd like to buy several thousand of these to send as gifts to certain political leaders and such.
#4 has a lot of sales and profit potential imho. ;)
https://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/coronavirus-gigantic.html
I hope the range is really going to be open. Archery ranges will be good too. Hopefully between the two I can get some line time to change up the monotony lately.
-
Will any of the rangemasters/RSOs be able to confirm the green light to re-open? If the KSHC website could be updated, that’d be great also :)
-
since I emailed range master yesterday and got no reply yet, i'm packing my range bag and loading up a couple rifles, and i'm heading over there tomorrow
-
since I emailed range master yesterday and got no reply yet, i'm packing my range bag and loading up a couple rifles, and i'm heading over there tomorrow
Good luck!
Btw, random idea, I think a public donation box might be a good idea in case additional expenses arise for the range (hand sanitizer, wipes, etc.)
-
Good luck!
Btw, random idea, I think a public donation box might be a good idea in case additional expenses arise for the range (hand sanitizer, wipes, etc.)
Good idea! :thumbsup:
-
Good luck!
Btw, random idea, I think a public donation box might be a good idea in case additional expenses arise for the range (hand sanitizer, wipes, etc.)
I think bringing supplies is a better idea than money.
-
https://www.kitv.com/story/42181258/more-businesses-to-reopen-on-oahu-starting-friday (https://www.kitv.com/story/42181258/more-businesses-to-reopen-on-oahu-starting-friday)
Outdoor attractions may also be able to resume operations with limitations as soon as Thursday, May 28. Public and private outdoor attractions, such as but not limited to sea life attractions, water parks, pools, campgrounds, People’s Open Markets, shooting and archery ranges, and similar outdoor facilities may reopen under the following conditions:
Aloha Brendon,
Mayor Caldwell announced today in a press release that Koko Head Shooting Complex will be re-opening on June 5.
Mahalo.
*Due to the City’s COVID-19 (coronavirus) response and the Mayor’s Stay-at-Home/Work-from-Home order for all non-essential employees, please note that our staff is working remotely from home until further notice. Please bear with us as we continue to strive to respond to hundreds+ of questions and concerns each week with pandemic-related concerns taking priority for the time being. We wish you and your family good health and encourage you take extra precautions during these uncertain times. Stay home and save lives.
Follow Councilmember Waters on Facebook and Instagram for the latest updates on #COVID19 and City resources.
Best,
Amanda
--
Amanda Morales | Constituent Services Director
Office of Councilmember Tommy Waters
District IV, Ala Moana to Hawaii Kai
-
Aloha Brendon,
Mayor Caldwell announced today in a press release that Koko Head Shooting Complex will be re-opening on June 5.
Mahalo.
*Due to the City’s COVID-19 (coronavirus) response and the Mayor’s Stay-at-Home/Work-from-Home order for all non-essential employees, please note that our staff is working remotely from home until further notice. Please bear with us as we continue to strive to respond to hundreds+ of questions and concerns each week with pandemic-related concerns taking priority for the time being. We wish you and your family good health and encourage you take extra precautions during these uncertain times. Stay home and save lives.
Follow Councilmember Waters on Facebook and Instagram for the latest updates on #COVID19 and City resources.
Best,
Amanda
--
Amanda Morales | Constituent Services Director
Office of Councilmember Tommy Waters
District IV, Ala Moana to Hawaii Kai
Thanks :shaka:
I emailed tommy waters too. But I got nothing from them. They probably like you better. At least we have a date
-
Good luck!
Btw, random idea, I think a public donation box might be a good idea in case additional expenses arise for the range (hand sanitizer, wipes, etc.)
The city cannot take donations unless they get authorization. So better to just give them the supplies or just leave it at the range.
-
The city cannot take donations unless they get authorization. So better to just give them the supplies or just leave it at the range.
donations will end up in the train
-
The city cannot take donations unless they get authorization. So better to just give them the supplies or just leave it at the range.
Supplies, got it, thanks for the legal!
-
donations will end up in the train
Mr. Sun Cho Lee 2020 indeed :shaka:
-
Supplies, got it, thanks for the legal!
I got soap to donate and I'm making my own hand sanitizer I can donate too
-
Hoppes 9 cleans well....
-
Aloha Brendon,
Mayor Caldwell announced today in a press release that Koko Head Shooting Complex will be re-opening on June 5.
Mahalo.
*Due to the City’s COVID-19 (coronavirus) response and the Mayor’s Stay-at-Home/Work-from-Home order for all non-essential employees, please note that our staff is working remotely from home until further notice. Please bear with us as we continue to strive to respond to hundreds+ of questions and concerns each week with pandemic-related concerns taking priority for the time being. We wish you and your family good health and encourage you take extra precautions during these uncertain times. Stay home and save lives.
Follow Councilmember Waters on Facebook and Instagram for the latest updates on #COVID19 and City resources.
Best,
Amanda
--
Amanda Morales | Constituent Services Director
Office of Councilmember Tommy Waters
District IV, Ala Moana to Hawaii Kai
Has anyone actually seen "the mayor's press release" announcing Koko Head reopening? Haven't found anything like it on honolulu.gov, oneoahu.org or the Department of Parks and Recreation website. And there's nothing about Koko Head in the updated emergency order Caldwell issued today
-
I got soap to donate and I'm making my own hand sanitizer I can donate too
don't drop the soap
-
Governors news release.
https://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/latest-news/office-of-the-governor-news-release-governor-ige-approves-requests-to-safety-re-open-more-businesses-across-the-state/
The proposal also includes the re-opening of outdoor attractions with limitations, starting Thursday, May 28. This includes:
Sea life attractions
Water parks
Pools
Campgrounds
People’s Open Markets
Shooting and Archery Ranges
Similar outdoor facilities
-
People doing whatever they like already. Gyms already opening, somewhat not the DL. Operations opening up and posting on SM, all while also commenting on others who aren’t following guidelines. Lots of hypocrisy all around.
Anyways, looking forward to hitting the range again mid June. Hopefully no rebound that shuts things down again.
-
I just called the Range Master, and the recording said that thr papers misreported. They will be opening on June 5th at 12 oclock.
Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
-
People doing whatever they like already. Gyms already opening, somewhat not the DL. Operations opening up and posting on SM, all while also commenting on others who aren’t following guidelines. Lots of hypocrisy all around.
Anyways, looking forward to hitting the range again mid June. Hopefully no rebound that shuts things down again.
Thanks, but the City and County of Honolulu operates Koko Head. The governor can authorize reopening, which he has done, but it's up to the city when and how, because it provides the staff and owns the range. Good to hear the staff says June 5. Thanks, aletheuo137. Bu still haven't heard official word from the mayor's office or DPR.
-
Thanks, but the City and County of Honolulu operates Koko Head. The governor can authorize reopening, which he has done, but it's up to the city when and how, because it provides the staff and owns the range. Good to hear the staff says June 5. Thanks, aletheuo137. Bu still haven't heard official word from the mayor's office or DPR.
Cannot help but think the gov and mayor are having some differences in keeping the public informed.
I thought it was strange when it was reported that the gov authorized the range to open yet I didn't hear nothing from the mayor. There was a lot of elation when it was said the range will open on 5/28 but I suspected something was not right. But all in all, very happy for our gun community that the range will open June 5th.
People doing whatever they like already. Gyms already opening, somewhat not the DL. Operations opening up and posting on SM, all while also commenting on others who aren’t following guidelines. Lots of hypocrisy all around.
Anyways, looking forward to hitting the range again mid June. Hopefully no rebound that shuts things down again.
Yeah, the possibility of things shutting down again worries me. We as a people are hard headed. Some more than others. I think most people don't realize that we are in the middle of a big pond and the only resources (and help) will come by ship or plane. We have nowhere to go. If the virus spins out of control all we can do is look at each other with our fingers up our nose until help comes. If it comes. :D
Of course we can also do the Hokey Pokey and turn ourselves around. :crazy:
In some ways maybe some of us are already doing it. "you put your right hand in....you put your right out...you put your right hand in and you shake it all about... You do the Hokey Pokey........" (in reference to our distinguished leaders) ;D
-
OK, there's something on the city and county Dept of Parks and Rec page: https://www.honolulu.gov/parks
(Quote)
May 27 - Following Mayor Caldwell's Restore Honolulu 3.0 Order, the Koko Head Tramway reopened the afternoon of Tuesday, May 27. City off-leash dog parks and skateparks are scheduled to reopen on Friday, May 29. On June 5, the City will be re-opening the Koko Head Shooting Complex, archery range, People’s Open Markets (POM), and swimming pools for lap swimming only. The Honolulu Zoo is also targeting a June 5 re-opening. A re-opening date for the Hanauma Bay Nature Preserve has yet to be determined.
With restrictions lifted on outdoor gatherings of 10 people or less (regardless of household), park activities that do not require a permit will be allowed during normal park hours with physical distancing of six feet or more being observed. Sports league activities are not currently allowed, though the City is pursuing a path forward to allow organized activities of this nature to resume at City parks.City gymnasiums, campgrounds, playgrounds, and other indoor and outdoor City park facilities not already reopened (such as stand-alone comfort stations and Community gardens which were previously reopened) remain closed at this time.
(End quote)
-
Will any of the rangemasters/RSOs be able to confirm the green light to re-open? If the KSHC website could be updated, that’d be great also :)
I have been emailing London about updating the website as I have been getting complaint emails from people thinking the range is open when it is not. And I want my name and email removed. I believe it has been updated as of today.
-
don't drop the soap
Unless one swings that way :crazy:
-
Shit Inspector.
Don’t grumble. Your range is open.
And remember.
No good deed goes unpunished
:D
Thanks for all you did while you were here.
-
don't drop the soap
Heads
-
Unless one swings that way :crazy:
-
Unless one swings that way :crazy:
heads
-
Shit Inspector.
Don’t grumble. Your range is open.
And remember.
No good deed goes unpunished
:D
Thanks for all you did while you were here.
Been so busy I have not had much time to go. Plus I have not had much time to reload. Got doctor stuff with the wife tomorrow so I’ll probably load up some 357 this weekend and go next week.
Just got a haircut and beard trimmed today. First time in 3 months! :o
-
heads
Unless one swings that way.
butts
-
Heads
I don't want to see heads in that situation. . . :puke:
:rofl:
-
Just got notified by the Honolulu Trap Club that the opening of KHSC is for the pistol and rifle side only. Trap, skeet and steel target range as well as any “private” club ranges are not included until further notice. :wtf: >:(
-
How about the silhouette side?
-
Never mind. Just read mrgaf's post thoroughly...
-
Just got notified by the Honolulu Trap Club that the opening of KHSC is for the pistol and rifle side only. Trap, skeet and steel target range as well as any “private” club ranges are not included until further notice. :wtf: >:(
Damn gonna be nuts for little while then :closed: :wtf:
-
got this from Range Master Mike yesterday:
Hi *****,
The latest “official” date that I’ve received is June 5, 2020.
The news media has been reporting that “archery & shooting ranges are cleared for opening.”
That’s true, we are clear to open, but have not finalized our operational procedures yet.
Only the Rifle & Pistol Ranges will be open at this time.
Due to CDD & State Health guidelines our capacity will be reduced severely.
We will attempt to manage the crowds by having a ticket system.
Tickets will be passed out prior to the range opening.
On the ticket will be the shooting position and time allotted.
To accommodate as many shooters as possible, there will be a one (1) hour time limit.
Stay safe!
Aloha,
Mike
bring your sleeping bag! >:D
-
got this from Range Master Mike yesterday:
bring your sleeping bag! >:D
Thanks for sharing this. Good info. I understand they will want to accommodate as much shooters as possible but anyone know how many shooting sessions in an hour? I never kept track when I used to go but I used to shoot for 3 hours. I go during the week when they are only open 12 to 4.
I'm grateful that the range is opening and understand this need to be safe but I'm kinda sad at the same time. I live far away and to only shoot for an hour is sad. But better than nothing.
Maybe they will let us shoot for say, 45 minutes straight then a 15 minute retrieve your target and get the hell out of your stall for the next guy? ;D
-
Thanks for sharing this. Good info. I understand they will want to accommodate as much shooters as possible but anyone know how many shooting sessions in an hour? I never kept track when I used to go but I used to shoot for 3 hours. I go during the week when they are only open 12 to 4.
I'm grateful that the range is opening and understand this need to be safe but I'm kinda sad at the same time. I live far away and to only shoot for an hour is sad. But better than nothing.
Maybe they will let us shoot for say, 45 minutes straight then a 15 minute retrieve your target and get the hell out of your stall for the next guy? ;D
30 min relays was how it was done before. Not sure if they’ll stick to that or change things up to make relays more frequent?
-
Sounds like 1 hr per bench
-
Soon as Schofield opens up I’ll go there till things quiet down.... :D
-
so I get this email from the mayors office, finally
Aloha *****,
Thank you for your emails. We appreciate your patience and persistence. We are happy to let you know that under Mayor Caldwell's Restore Honolulu 3.0 Order, on June 5, the City will be re-opening the Koko Head Shooting Complex with restrictions outlines in the Order (see “outdoor attractions” on page 11 of Exhibit A in the Order).
Sincerely,
City and County of Honolulu
COVID-19 Response Information Team
thanks for nothing, a$$holes!!!
I already know that. was on the news. everybody knows already. what a bunch of do nothing dum$h!ts.
sorry, i'm usually a level headed guy, but after weeks of emailing with no response and then to get this after the fact is really a slap in the face. why even respond to my emails now. what for?
-
I saw the new operating procedures for KokoHead......It's awful :( >:(
One problem is that the new SOP does not allow for proper live-fire training, which the HRS requires for a permit.
Therefore people cannot get qualified for a permit to purchase.
Therefore it becomes a defacto infringement on our second amendment right.
Another problem is that you would need to physically show up to make an "appointment" to shoot.
When all the time slots are filled you are out of luck. That sucks if you live out west side.
-
I saw the new operating procedures for KokoHead......It's awful :( >:(
One problem is that the new SOP does not allow for proper live-fire training, which the HRS requires for a permit.
Therefore people cannot get qualified for a permit to purchase.
Therefore it becomes a defacto infringement on our second amendment right.
Another problem is that you would need to physically show up to make an "appointment" to shoot.
When all the time slots are filled you are out of luck. That sucks if you live out west side.
Can someone let the City know that we have this thing called the internet? How about an online scheduling system
-
Where is their new SOP posted?
I saw the new operating procedures for KokoHead......It's awful :( >:(
One problem is that the new SOP does not allow for proper live-fire training, which the HRS requires for a permit.
Therefore people cannot get qualified for a permit to purchase.
Therefore it becomes a defacto infringement on our second amendment right.
Another problem is that you would need to physically show up to make an "appointment" to shoot.
When all the time slots are filled you are out of luck. That sucks if you live out west side.
-
Can someone let the City know that we have this thing called the internet? How about an online scheduling system
The problem with an online system without some kind of Double check is lots of people would “book” slots and never show up. I’m sure a lot of people would get really irritated 😡 when benches aren’t being used, but there’s a line. I’d prefer the way they used to handle it now with a sign-in list. As benches come up RO’s assign the next shooter. Every shooter is responsible for disinfecting the bench between themselves and the previous shooter.
-
Where is their new SOP posted?
==========
It's not officially posted yet.
-
They’d probably botch the online website more than HPDs current bandaid solution.
The problem with an online system without some kind of Double check is lots of people would “book” slots and never show up. I’m sure a lot of people would get really irritated 😡 when benches aren’t being used, but there’s a line. I’d prefer the way they used to handle it now with a sign-in list. As benches come up RO’s assign the next shooter. Every shooter is responsible for disinfecting the bench between themselves and the previous shooter.
-
They’d probably botch the online website more than HPDs current bandaid solution.
I heard/read that some anti-gun/anti-hunting types were going to the Hunter's Ed course signup site and making reservations just to fill up the classes. They were trying to make it so people really wanting the class could not get in.
If the anti's figure out the permit process is now tied to online appointments, what's to stop them from doing the same on the HPD site?
How do we know that's not already happening, which might be the reason reservations are now 2 months out?
-
The booking of Hunters Ed classes by anti-hunting types are true.
-
I heard/read that some anti-gun/anti-hunting types were going to the Hunter's Ed course signup site and making reservations just to fill up the classes. They were trying to make it so people really wanting the class could not get in.
If the anti's figure out the permit process is now tied to online appointments, what's to stop them from doing the same on the HPD site?
How do we know that's not already happening, which might be the reason reservations are now 2 months out?
I have heard that!
I have a Hawaii hunter license diploma
and a Hawaii hunting license.
I had lost my CA hunter license diploma,
so had I to suffer through the Hawaiian course
which I think is useless.
Hawaii instructor guys wanted me to become an Instructor.
I could see how anti-gun people can
jamb that system up.
Laws were set up that way.
-
They always accept standbys.. in my 28 years as a master instructor with the Hawaii Hunter Ed program I can count on one hand how many times we had to turn standbys away.
-
They always accept standbys.. in my 28 years as a master instructor with the Hawaii Hunter Ed program I can count on one hand how many times we had to turn standbys away.
If the slots had been filled by actual students, more would have been turned away. In other words, if the normal number of standbys came out, and there were fewer no-shows, more would have been turned away.
At some point, it would make more sense to have 100% walk-in enrollment, because fraudulent preregistration causes confusion IMHO.
-
I saw the new operating procedures for KokoHead......It's awful :( >:(
One problem is that the new SOP does not allow for proper live-fire training, which the HRS requires for a permit.
Therefore people cannot get qualified for a permit to purchase.
Therefore it becomes a defacto infringement on our second amendment right.
Another problem is that you would need to physically show up to make an "appointment" to shoot.
When all the time slots are filled you are out of luck. That sucks if you live out west side.
Wonderful. Just wonderful. Not good. Can they at least make sure all benches are open? I noticed at the rifle section the extreme right hand side is always roped off (at least when I go weekdays). The area downrange of that section doesn't look maintained either.
-
Gonna be interesting to see how this all plays out. Hope people who go initially can share their report of how it went. I just don't see how it will be possible to even do any productive load development within that time window. Sighting in for hunting season, ya maybe, but trying to zero a new scope / rifle, work up loads, gather data for DOPE, good luck with all that. Going to have to take 3-4 trips to equal 1 day.
-
I saw the new operating procedures for KokoHead......It's awful :( >:(
One problem is that the new SOP does not allow for proper live-fire training, which the HRS requires for a permit.
Therefore people cannot get qualified for a permit to purchase.
Therefore it becomes a defacto infringement on our second amendment right.
Another problem is that you would need to physically show up to make an "appointment" to shoot.
When all the time slots are filled you are out of luck. That sucks if you live out west side.
Would definitely like to see the public version of the new SOP. Just saw a post for an LGS offering lessons in June. Would definitely like clarification as I have several friends/new shooters that have been itching to go to the range.
Also, any representative from HRA able to confirm cancellation of SSF2020 due to new guidelines?
-
I usually take 1 shot, then eat a burger and drink a iced tea, then take a second shot. O0
-
Also, any representative from HRA able to confirm cancellation of SSF2020 due to new guidelines?
From an HRA representative . . . "Our Anuual Shooting Sports Fair scheduled in July will regrettably be cancelled due to the current Covid-19 situation"
-
Anyone know if there’s gonna be guidelines or protocols posted on the khsc website?
-
I feel like a person suffering from bi-polar disorder. When I first heard the range is opening I was in a euphoric high. Then I found out it will be open on June 5th. I immediately bottomed out. Then I went on a high again thinking it will open soon.
Then info about tickets given out for 1 hr. time slots came out. I bottomed out again, especially when you have to show up to get a slot.
As mentioned, what if you load up your firearms, target frame, and all the other things you need for a day at the range only to find out when you get there that the slots are all filled?
OMG, I'm on an emotional rollercoaster. :shake: :rofl:
-
I usually take 1 shot, then eat a burger and drink a iced tea, then take a second shot. O0
I usually shoot 2-3 sessions of 5 shots, then leave the bench to sit back and watch other shooters. Of course I do this if the range is not busy with people waiting to shoot.
Shooting is my recreation. I really don't mind this 1 hr. sessions being planned since I know there are lots of people who want to utilize the range.
What concerns me is if I show up and the slots are already taken. ???
-
I feel like a person suffering from bi-polar disorder. When I first heard the range is opening I was in a euphoric high. Then I found out it will be open on June 5th. I immediately bottomed out. Then I went on a high again thinking it will open soon.
Then info about tickets given out for 1 hr. time slots came out. I bottomed out again, especially when you have to show up to get a slot.
As mentioned, what if you load up your firearms, target frame, and all the other things you need for a day an hour at the range only to find out when you get there that the slots are all filled?
OMG, I'm on an emotional rollercoaster. :shake: :rofl:
===============
there, FIFY :rofl:
-
===============
there, FIFY :rofl:
I just figured out what "FIFY" means.
-
If you finish your hour, and nobody else is waiting for your spot, will the RSOs extend your time, or are they being instructed to kick people out for no other reason than "it's written in the SOP"?
-
Wonder if they will let a group share a table? My friends don’t have toys and have to use mine.
So if 3 people, share a table for 3 hours.
-
1 hr per table not shooter
-
Yeah I was thinking the same thing because I wanted to bring a few on the fence friends to convert them but, if only get 1 hour to shoot between 3 people, if that’s even allowed. Waste of time.
Wonder if they will let a group share a table? My friends don’t have toys and have to use mine.
So if 3 people, share a table for 3 hours.
-
If you finish your hour, and nobody else is waiting for your spot, will the RSOs extend your time, or are they being instructed to kick people out for no other reason than "it's written in the SOP"?
lol man that would be one way to piss people off for sure, kicking someone off a bench without someone waiting to take their spot.
-
If you finish your hour, and nobody else is waiting for your spot, will the RSOs extend your time, or are they being instructed to kick people out for no other reason than "it's written in the SOP"?
===========
The proposed SOP that I saw would clear off the table for sanitation after 1 hour and was a very inefficient use of available resources.
Just wait for the "official" announcement. Hopefully a more sensible plan will emerge.
---
A side note
My shooting buddy went to ____indoor shooting range here and said that they were packing'em in like sardines.
Both locals and tourists. NO face masks.
???
-
I'm not going on the 5th bc I have to work
I just wonder how early I have to go to get a spot for the day on the weekend. 0700, 0600, 0500?
I bet a lot of people will be going early. i'm going to bring a couple handguns in case I don't get in rifle, i'll try pistol.
I like shoot something :grrr: >:D
-
I'm not going on the 5th bc I have to work
I just wonder how early I have to go to get a spot for the day on the weekend. 0700, 0600, 0500?
I bet a lot of people will be going early. i'm going to bring a couple handguns in case I don't get in rifle, i'll try pistol.
I like shoot something :grrr: >:D
Sucks if we have to revert to that situation. Hopefully there will be an online reservation system that both works well and tamper resistant.
A few friends picked up their first handguns just prior to the shutdown and they are itching to get out there and shoot.
-
I wonder how many manapuas or malasadas it would take to move me to the front of the line :thumbsup:
-
I wonder how many manapuas or malasadas it would take to move me to the front of the line :thumbsup:
Might have to step it up to roast pork and pork hash or rice cake ;D
-
===========
The proposed SOP that I saw would clear off the table for sanitation after 1 hour and was a very inefficient use of available resources.
Just wait for the "official" announcement. Hopefully a more sensible plan will emerge.
---
A side note
My shooting buddy went to ____indoor shooting range here and said that they were packing'em in like sardines.
Both locals and tourists. NO face masks.
???
We went riding in the car yesterday just to get out of the house. We bought bentos where the old fishermans wharf restaurant used to be and then we parked at Ala Moana and ate in the car.
We passed the Sp#*%@$m store and there was a crowd of people lined up outside waiting to get in. Only so much people in at one time.
There was no social distancing outside. Just a mob of people mingling about. Once you got inside then they have the marked floors and you maintain your distance.
I see this all over the place. Maybe because dey tink outside so no need?
I tink need. :o
-
Might have to step it up to roast pork and pork hash or rice cake ;D
if that's what it takes, i'll throw in some charsiu too. the good one. Nam Fong. :shaka:
-
New guidelines are up
-
New guidelines are up
Keep emailing and calling them. This is unacceptable
-
So it's ok to use a bow, but the nasty gun owners we hate you
-
So it's ok to use a bow, but the nasty gun owners we hate you
Its OK to release prisoners too before their sentence is up
-
There's a release from Caldwell's office to Hawaii Historical Arms Association that "that because the four other firearms ranges at KHSC (skeet, trap, silhouette, and action pistol" are operated by third-part gun clubs and will remain closed at this time>"
I would argue that those venues are better equipped to safely facilitate shooting. Just that C&C won't have control. . .
:middlefingeremoji:
-
There's a release from Caldwell's office to Hawaii Historical Arms Association that "that because the four other firearms ranges at KHSC (skeet, trap, silhouette, and action pistol" are operated by third-part gun clubs and will remain closed at this time>"
I would argue that those venues are better equipped to safely facilitate shooting. Just that C&C won't have control. . .
:middlefingeremoji:
Yup! The Metallic side is pretty well equipped with those dividers. Skeet - you can easily maintain distance since there is only one shooter at a time. And like Groveler pointed out the Trap Shooters can maintain distance as well at different stations. USPSA is still up and running with shoots happening all across the country all the while maintaining social distancing.
-
Hope everything went smooth for those who were able to go range today. Been seeing lotta pics of protests happening around the community that have ignored these so called distancing measures. Made me think, if this 1hr per table BS and mandatory reservation continues beyond a few weeks, we as a community should be protesting ourselves and ignore this infringement. The range officers should be in full support, or maybe they need to find a new job if so. And by protest, i mean we should just show up like a regular day at kokohead and continue a pre covid routine.
-
Hope everything went smooth for those who were able to go range today. Been seeing lotta pics of protests happening around the community that have ignored these so called distancing measures. Made me think, if this 1hr per table BS and mandatory reservation continues beyond a few weeks, we as a community should be protesting ourselves and ignore this infringement. The range officers should be in full support, or maybe they need to find a new job if so. And by protest, i mean we should just show up like a regular day at kokohead and continue a pre covid routine.
I heard that there only 8 shooters were allowed to fire on rifle side at a time. Same procedure on pistol. Half shoots while the other half waits.
Imagine if we organized a Gun Rights Matter March.
-
I heard that there only 8 shooters were allowed to fire on rifle side at a time. Same procedure on pistol. Half shoots while the other half waits.
Imagine if we organized a Gun Rights Matter March.
WOW if this is true. That is truly a sad time. I can understand since today was day 1. But i hope people start blasting the range officer email if this is a trend we see. Thanks for the update.
-
I heard that there only 8 shooters were allowed to fire on rifle side at a time. Same procedure on pistol. Half shoots while the other half waits.
Imagine if we organized a Gun Rights Matter March.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/06/04/breaking-news/gyms-theaters-and-bars-on-oahu-given-go-ahead-to-reopen/
"The governor’s office said the state Attorney General’s office and the state Department of Health reviewed Caldwell’s proposal. Ige signed the order this afternoon, “provided that reconsideration be given to limiting gatherings to 100 individuals outdoors … and 50 individuals indoors.” "
But only 8 people can shoot at a time? :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
-
"100 individuals outdoors"
June 19th should be the day to go back to normal at the Range then.
-
"100 individuals outdoors"
June 19th should be the day to go back to normal at the Range then.
Unless you do a protest, then you can have 1000 outdoors.... ::) Too bad we can't get all Hawaii gun owners on the same damn page
-
"100 individuals outdoors"
June 19th should be the day to go back to normal at the Range then.
If the range isnt back to nromal function on that date. I hope we can gather enough people to show up at the gun range and go about regular buisness. And i would hope the range officers have enough back bone to support it.
-
"100 individuals outdoors"
June 19th should be the day to go back to normal at the Range then.
More than likely not. Too many people are happy with the current limits.
-
Unless you do a protest, then you can have 1000 outdoors.... ::) Too bad we can't get all Hawaii gun owners on the same damn page
If North Carolina can do it, so can we :)
https://youtu.be/EpVXJ9TrRGE
-
If North Carolina can do it, so can we :)
https://youtu.be/EpVXJ9TrRGE
*thousands* ??
Not likely here. Not enough parking.
-
If North Carolina can do it, so can we :)
https://youtu.be/EpVXJ9TrRGE
Why not at the State Capital, all the 1s that make the rules over there.
Plus won't cut into my 1hr shooting time.
-
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0104/9811/3595/files/Snapchat-1872102978_720x.jpg?v=1537805688)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0104/9811/3595/products/Snapchat-396223463_1024x1024@2x.jpg?v=1537817593)
-
The way for us to see changes is to appeal to the top. If the Mayor says ease the restrictions, the parks director will comply. The parks director is an appointed position so while you can make your case to her, she’ll take her direction from the Mayor. Filling out the form is best since it’s documented whereas commenting on Facebook or Instagram isn’t. It doesn’t have to be long, short and simple is ok, but be professional and polite. The more forms that are submitted the better. Spread the word, tell your 2a friends and neighbors to email, call, or write the mayor.
http://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/contactthemayor.html
530 South King Street, Room 300
(808)768-4141
-
^^^^
There you go
-
The way for us to see changes is to appeal to the top. If the Mayor says ease the restrictions, the parks director will comply. The parks director is an appointed position so while you can make your case to her, she’ll take her direction from the Mayor. Filling out the form is best since it’s documented whereas commenting on Facebook or Instagram isn’t. It doesn’t have to be long, short and simple is ok, but be professional and polite. The more forms that are submitted the better. Spread the word, tell your 2a friends and neighbors to email, call, or write the mayor.
http://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/contactthemayor.html
530 South King Street, Room 300
(808)768-4141
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
-
The way for us to see changes is to appeal to the top. If the Mayor says ease the restrictions, the parks director will comply. The parks director is an appointed position so while you can make your case to her, she’ll take her direction from the Mayor. Filling out the form is best since it’s documented whereas commenting on Facebook or Instagram isn’t. It doesn’t have to be long, short and simple is ok, but be professional and polite. The more forms that are submitted the better. Spread the word, tell your 2a friends and neighbors to email, call, or write the mayor.
http://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/contactthemayor.html
530 South King Street, Room 300
(808)768-4141
Done :shaka:
-
Done! :shaka:
-
I went to the Honolulu Parks Department website, I watched the Youtube video, I STILL COULDN'T figure out where to make a KokoHead Shooting complex reservation.
Does ANY other park in Honolulu require a "reservation"?
If not, this could be considered discriminatory to the shooting community.
PLEASE, contact Mayor Caldwell and voice your displeasure.
http://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/contactthemayor/request-for-general-message-form
Also mention the (currently 12 week) wait to get a firearms permit, and the next 10 week wait to register it (before you can legally use it, otherwise it is an unregistered firearm)
(BTW, for all three visits to HPD, I was the only one there, and I was 30 min early)
I just did both, it was obviously designed as a "deterrent" to getting a firearm.
It is apparent that Honolulu doesn't want you to have a firearm (or be proficient with it)
Paul
P.S. anyone want to start a legal action against this "2A infringement"?
I'm in.
-
I went to the Honolulu Parks Department website, I watched the Youtube video, I STILL COULDN'T figure out where to make a KokoHead Shooting complex reservation.
Does ANY other park in Honolulu require a "reservation"?
If not, this could be considered discriminatory to the shooting community.
PLEASE, contact Mayor Caldwell and voice your displeasure.
http://www.honolulu.gov/mayor/contactthemayor/request-for-general-message-form
Also mention the (currently 12 week) wait to get a firearms permit, and the next 10 week wait to register it (before you can legally use it, otherwise it is an unregistered firearm)
(BTW, for all three visits to HPD, I was the only one there, and I was 30 min early)
I just did both, it was obviously designed as a "deterrent" to getting a firearm.
It is apparent that Honolulu doesn't want you to have a firearm (or be proficient with it)
Paul
P.S. anyone want to start a legal action against this "2A infringement"?
I'm in.
this is the website to make reservations for kokohead
https://pros.hnl.info/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18XXX7S2-ew&feature=emb_title
-
next date and time to make reservations is tomorrow at 0800. this is for the dates of 6/24-6/28
register your profile on the website and get ready to reserve appts at 0800 tomorrow
-
oops wrong post
-
Range in now OPEN
First come first serve basis again. Thank YOU to all the people who wrote in your concerns. I believe without your help they would have kept the asinine reservation system.
Locking thread.