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Title: Angry Bum
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 30, 2020, 12:50:34 PM
So I was standing outside of a restaurant waiting for my take out order.  I'm on my phone, but look up every few seconds to scan.  I noticed this bum walking toward me on the sidewalk.  So I put my phone away.  As he passed he muttered "fucken people always putting their phones away as I walk by".

He did keep walking.  But I was thinking, what if he took more offense to this action and decided to act on it?  I would probably tell him that my actions are warranted because he is now in my face starting something.  Then walk away.

But the point is, how many other times have I done the same thing, or nudged the wife to the opposite side so I can be closer to the potential threat.  And all these people might have taken offense, but just didn't say anything.  Could this precautionary action lead to an altercation 1 day?  Maybe be more subtitle about it?  But then again, the alternative is what if there is a threat and I lose because I wasn't ready.

Just food for thought.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: drck1000 on April 30, 2020, 01:18:18 PM
Are you asking because you were concerned that you might be prejudiced, and just realized it?  Or really trying to understand the actions of a complete stranger?

To a certain extent, it is natural to notice and take appropriate actions based on past experiences.  Some may call that prejudice, but I say one had to take actions appropriate to them.  You didn't do anything wrong. . .
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 30, 2020, 01:34:13 PM
Are you asking because you were concerned that you might be prejudiced, and just realized it?  Or really trying to understand the actions of a complete stranger?

To a certain extent, it is natural to notice and take appropriate actions based on past experiences.  Some may call that prejudice, but I say one had to take actions appropriate to them.  You didn't do anything wrong. . .

I'm not concerned if anyone labels or judges me because I'm being prejudiced toward a bum.  You're damn right I am.  And anyone else who looks suspect.  Aint no way a 90 year old grandma is gonna start anything.

I never thought about a confrontation might take place due to that action.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: Direjackalope on April 30, 2020, 01:42:33 PM
I always nudge my wife closer to the threat. Not only is it empowering to a strong independent women but it gives me time to decisively react while she’s getting attacked. I believe it’s the same principle as put on your own mask before assisting others.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: hvybarrels on April 30, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
It will be really interesting when everyone has to get back to work and re-engage in social situations after isolating for so long. Imagine for some it will be like what Shane Dorian was describing on the Joe Rogan podcast about hunting Mauna Kea solo for a week, and when he finally got picked up it seemed like his buddy was shouting when he was just talking in a normal voice. As social creatures it is amazing how quickly we get out of whack when we do not have enough interaction.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 30, 2020, 02:43:44 PM
If you work around downdown (Bishop & Hotel streets), you see some really wild and woolly ones out and about.

I don't avoid these people per se, but I do avoid making eye contact for any length of time.  No sense in trying to initiate a reaction.

As for putting your phone away, it's their perception that creates their belief that they are the cause.  How do they know you didn't simply finish your text conversation (i.e. What do you want me to pick up for dinner?).

If you're too insecure to handle a comment by a stranger in passing, then maybe spend more time at a soup kitchen, food bank, etc.

People are human, but some act less human than others.  Everyone deserves respect, but not everyone deserves your trust -- especially strangers.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: tim808 on April 30, 2020, 07:16:44 PM
Direjackalope - that was funny....but your still going to hell
:-)

Change oil - I always avoid bums that are upright. The bums may feel bad/offended but better to be safe than sorry I feel.  I’d be pretty unhappy if they grabbed me or spit on me
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: macsak on April 30, 2020, 08:45:50 PM
If you work around downdown (Bishop & Hotel streets), you see some really wild and woolly ones out and about.

I don't avoid these people per se, but I do avoid making eye contact for any length of time.  No sense in trying to initiate a reaction.

As for putting your phone away, it's their perception that creates their belief that they are the cause.  How do they know you didn't simply finish your text conversation (i.e. What do you want me to pick up for dinner?).

If you're too insecure to handle a comment by a stranger in passing, then maybe spend more time at a soup kitchen, food bank, etc.

People are human, but some act less human than others.  Everyone deserves respect, but not everyone deserves your trust -- especially strangers.

I had to visit a colleague today, and his office was on fort street mall
I admit I was freaked the F out by the homeless, since there were a few with obvious mental issues, and some weren't wearing masks...
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: Bota-CS1 on April 30, 2020, 09:12:56 PM
I always nudge my wife closer to the threat. Not only is it empowering to a strong independent women but it gives me time to decisively react while she’s getting attacked. I believe it’s the same principle as put on your own mask before assisting others.

Quokkas and kangaroos have veen known to sacrifice their young to predators so they can escape. 
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: Direjackalope on April 30, 2020, 09:21:04 PM
Quokkas and kangaroos have veen known to sacrifice their young to predators so they can escape.

Once she gets serious about carrying a tactical pen and a flip knife instead of just holding her keys between her knuckles like wolverine I'm willing to re-negotiate our tactics.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: Rocky on May 01, 2020, 07:54:42 AM
Once she gets serious about carrying a tactical pen and a flip knife instead of just holding her keys between her knuckles like wolverine I'm willing to re-negotiate our tactics.
Just put her between her  child and the threat and watch her go into "Mommy Mode".   :shake: :shake: :shake:
Her claws will put  Wolverine to shame.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: oldfart on May 01, 2020, 08:05:06 AM
Just put her between her  child and the threat and watch her go into "Mommy Mode".   :shake: :shake: :shake:
Her claws will put  Wolverine to shame.
=============
oh yeah, never get between momma and the baby....
and if things don't work out you can collect life insurance.

it's a win-win
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: drck1000 on May 01, 2020, 08:11:55 AM
Just put her between her  child and the threat and watch her go into "Mommy Mode".   :shake: :shake: :shake:
Her claws will put  Wolverine to shame.
I’d like to see a study on that today. Being cooped up at home with kids, I bet there are some mothers who might be like “go ahead, take em”  :rofl:
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 01, 2020, 08:32:34 AM
Once she gets serious about carrying a tactical pen and a flip knife instead of just holding her keys between her knuckles like wolverine I'm willing to re-negotiate our tactics.

Have her punch something while holding the keys like that.  She will learn very quickly thats a bad idea.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 01, 2020, 08:33:40 AM
I’d like to see a study on that today. Being cooped up at home with kids, I bet there are some mothers who might be like “go ahead, take em”  :rofl:

I know a handful who don't bitch about buying school supplies anymore.  If the school requires X dollars to spend on supplies that the kid will rarely use, then go for it.  Small price to pay to have a baby sitter from 8am-3pm.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: Bota-CS1 on May 01, 2020, 09:37:00 AM
I thought this topic was about the last time I had really spicy 🌶 Indian food 🥵. My mistake.  Carry on.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: stangzilla on May 01, 2020, 09:55:19 AM
if a bum gets too close...…. >:D

(http://stillrealtous.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/sweetchin14.gif)
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 01, 2020, 10:09:15 AM
if a bum gets too close...…. >:D

(http://stillrealtous.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/sweetchin14.gif)

I miss the prime days of WCW/WWF. Not i'ts all rubbish. I even think if John Cena were to be wrestling back in the prime days, he would be a nobody.  Even Dude Love has more charisma.

Prime days are like 90's and early 2000's. Hogan, Goldberg, Sting, Giant, Man Kind, Buff Bagwell, Roudy Roddy Piper, etc...
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: stangzilla on May 01, 2020, 10:14:46 AM
I miss the prime days of WCW/WWF. Not i'ts all rubbish. I even think if John Cena were to be wrestling back in the prime days, he would be a nobody.  Even Dude Love has more charisma.

Prime days are like 90's and early 2000's. Hogan, Goldberg, Sting, Giant, Man Kind, Buff Bagwell, Roudy Roddy Piper, etc...

those were the days.  ECW too.  had some kind of wrestling just about every day on tv back then.  my all time favorite is the Great Muta.  best wrestler to never say a word. 
I remember back even further.  Georgia Championship Wrestling, Mid South, AWA, WCCW in Texas, Florida Championship.  makes me feel old.   :D
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 01, 2020, 10:16:27 AM
those were the days.  ECW too.  had some kind of wrestling just about every day on tv back then.  my all time favorite is the Great Muta.  best wrestler to never say a word. 
I remember back even further.  Georgia Championship Wrestling, Mid South, AWA, WCCW in Texas, Florida Championship.  makes me feel old.   :D

I never got into ECW, even though it was like a cage match gore everytime.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: groveler on May 01, 2020, 10:23:10 AM
I don't normally carry my cell phone, I view it as more of
a leash than anything else.
It is a tool for emergencies only.
Attacked by a Bum?
I'd pull out my illegally concealed, un-registered gun, kill the attacker, 
and walk on.
This is just fantasy of course.
No threat intended.
I never violate any Constitutional Federal, State, or Local
laws.



Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: drck1000 on May 01, 2020, 10:24:23 AM
Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat

He was awesome. Wrestle Mania 1-3 were awesome. But then again, I was like 10.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: groveler on May 01, 2020, 10:37:26 AM
I know a handful who don't bitch about buying school supplies anymore.  If the school requires X dollars to spend on supplies that the kid will rarely use, then go for it.  Small price to pay to have a baby sitter from 8am-3pm.
I earned a university degree later than most.
After dinner I would do my studies along with my daughter
doing her homework.
I'm doing Computer science which is mainly Higher level
Mathematics and she was doing arithmetic.
Of all things you go through as parent and child,
I think she hated me most for my arithmetic instruction.
She got A's BTW.
It is really hard to teach kids.
You have to love the kids to do it right.
Having gone to university with Teachers
earning graduate degrees,
I'm sorry I did not put my daughter in a
private school.





Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: Rocky on May 01, 2020, 12:20:39 PM
Ricky “The Dragon” Steamboat
He was awesome. Wrestle Mania 1-3 were awesome. But then again, I was like 10.
Quote from: stangzilla on Today at 10:14:46 AM
    those were the days.  ECW too.  had some kind of wrestling just about every day on tv back then.  my all time favorite is the Great Muta.  best wrestler to never say a word.
    I remember back even further.  Georgia Championship Wrestling, Mid South, AWA, WCCW in Texas, Florida Championship.  makes me feel old.   

    That's not old (says the cantankerous old man  :grrr:)
I remember back in my day, the NWA, WWF, AWA and WAW all being part of the WWW (" Wide World of Wrestling")
 Mad Dog Vashaun, Johnny Valentine, Pampero Firpo, Randy “Macho Man” Savage, Verne Gagne Andre the Giant
Concealed objects, real chairs, tables and blood.
Rockettes G-ma lived next to "The Crusher".
Dem's was westlers !

Went to a few matches which was exciting as a kid.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: stangzilla on May 01, 2020, 12:27:47 PM
I remember Rikishi when he was 1/2 of the SST (Samoan Swat Team) with his cousin Sam Anoai.  managed by Fabulous Freebird Buddy Roberts in WCCW in Texas.  must have been in the 80's
my memory goes back further that that, but my hard drive in my head is still searching.   :D
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: Rocky on May 01, 2020, 12:32:31 PM
I remember Rikishi when he was 1/2 of the SST (Samoan Swat Team) with his cousin Sam Anoai.  managed by Fabulous Freebird Buddy Roberts in WCCW in Texas.  must have been in the 80's
my memory goes back further that that, but my hard drive in my head is still searching.   :D
Funny how you can remember useless stuff from 55 yrs ago but can't remember what you had for lunch yesterday.  :-\ ??? :grrr: :'( :wacko: :crazy:
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: stangzilla on May 01, 2020, 12:34:22 PM
Funny how you can remember useless stuff from 55 yrs ago but can't remember what you had for lunch yesterday.  :-\ ??? :grrr: :'( :wacko: :crazy:

a guy's gotta have priorities.  :D
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: drck1000 on May 01, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
Funny how you can remember useless stuff from 55 yrs ago but can't remember what you had for lunch yesterday.  :-\ ??? :grrr: :'( :wacko: :crazy:
Sandwich. I think...
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: eyeeatingfish on May 01, 2020, 10:33:20 PM
So I was standing outside of a restaurant waiting for my take out order.  I'm on my phone, but look up every few seconds to scan.  I noticed this bum walking toward me on the sidewalk.  So I put my phone away.  As he passed he muttered "fucken people always putting their phones away as I walk by".

He did keep walking.  But I was thinking, what if he took more offense to this action and decided to act on it?  I would probably tell him that my actions are warranted because he is now in my face starting something.  Then walk away.

But the point is, how many other times have I done the same thing, or nudged the wife to the opposite side so I can be closer to the potential threat.  And all these people might have taken offense, but just didn't say anything.  Could this precautionary action lead to an altercation 1 day?  Maybe be more subtitle about it?  But then again, the alternative is what if there is a threat and I lose because I wasn't ready.

Just food for thought.

This type of thing frequently pops into my head. Maybe I am at a stoplight and I see someone walking on the sidewalk near my car and then realize my car doors aren't locked. If I push the lock button they might hear it and thing it is because of them. Worse yet could be a black guy and he thinks I am being racist.

Not sure what there is we can do about it. Being alert may offend people but it isn't going to hurt you like not being alert can.

I guess the best thing you could do while still being alert is when you put your phone away and they walk by, give them a small smile and a nod. The aggression they perceive from you the less likely they are to show towards you.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: blastoff747 on May 02, 2020, 01:26:39 AM
Quote from: stangzilla on Today at 10:14:46 AM
    those were the days.  ECW too.  had some kind of wrestling just about every day on tv back then.  my all time favorite is the Great Muta.  best wrestler to never say a word.
    I remember back even further.  Georgia Championship Wrestling, Mid South, AWA, WCCW in Texas, Florida Championship.  makes me feel old.   

    That's not old (says the cantankerous old man  :grrr:)
I remember back in my day, the NWA, WWF, AWA and WAW all being part of the WWW (" Wide World of Wrestling")
 Mad Dog Vashaun, Johnny Valentine, Pampero Firpo, Randy “Macho Man” Savage, Verne Gagne Andre the Giant
Concealed objects, real chairs, tables and blood.
Rockettes G-ma lived next to "The Crusher".
Dem's was westlers !

Went to a few matches which was exciting as a kid.

What about wrestling @blaisdell?  I forget if the tag team had a name but farmer boy ipo and leroy brown.  Leroy was my friend's dad.   He worked security at farrington when we were going there.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: oldfart on May 02, 2020, 07:05:45 AM
I thought this topic was about the last time I had really spicy 🌶 Indian food 🥵. My mistake.  Carry on.
.... :rofl:
......
Re. Wrestling

Local wrestling was wildly popular in the 60s and 70s.
Anybody old enough to remember wrestling at Bloch Arena or Civic or HIC or the KGMB studio?
Ed Francis
Lord Tally Ho Blears
Ripper Collins and Beauregard
Curtis Da Bull Iaukea
Handsome Johnny Barend
Chief Billy White Wolf
Pampero Firpo, the Missing Link
Sammy Steamboat Mokuahi
Chief Neff Maiava
Tosh Togo aka Harold Sakata who played Oddjob in Goldfinger
Nick Bockwinkel
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: flaboy808 on May 02, 2020, 08:52:23 AM
I had to visit a colleague today, and his office was on fort street mall
I admit I was freaked the F out by the homeless, since there were a few with obvious mental issues, and some weren't wearing masks...

That was a good day then. Sometimes, they don’t wear pants.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: tim808 on May 02, 2020, 09:07:10 AM
Talking about no pants

A few months ago at the pc zippys a naked homeless guy was swiping down someone’s car with his clothes before he put it back on.

I assumed he had asked for money and they declined.

When beggars ask for money I try to give them something, would be a bummer if I didn’t and they spit on me.  But I usually only see the same guy at the downtown post office so I don’t worry if I don’t have any cash on me
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: stangzilla on May 02, 2020, 09:36:37 AM
I was on ayso soccer team with Tor Kamaka's sons when I was a kid
Before Great Muta became the Great Muta he was the Super Black Ninja in pro wrestling hawaii under the tootledge of his "father" the Great Kabuki. This was '80's. Later in Japan they would have a father vs son match where Muta stabs Kabuki in the head several times with the foreign object until he opens up a mini geyser of blood on kabuki's head.
I used to watch a lot of Japan wrestling too. All Japan, new Japan/IWGP. before there was ECW and extreme wrestling Muta was doing it in Japan first
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 02, 2020, 10:57:38 AM
.... :rofl:
......
Re. Wrestling

Local wrestling was wildly popular in the 60s and 70s.
Anybody old enough to remember wrestling at Bloch Arena or Civic or HIC or the KGMB studio?
Ed Francis
Lord Tally Ho Blears
Ripper Collins and Beauregard
Curtis Da Bull Iaukea
Handsome Johnny Barend
Chief Billy White Wolf
Pampero Firpo, the Missing Link
Sammy Steamboat Mokuahi
Chief Neff Maiava
Tosh Togo aka Harold Sakata who played Oddjob in Goldfinger
Nick Bockwinkel

Yes.  My Dad used to take us to as much of the Bloch Arena, Civic Auditorium, and HIC events as possible.  I loved it when Chief Billy White Wolf was taking a licking and then he would rally and do his Indian War Dance.  There was another Japanese wrestler that I liked.  He was one of the bad guys.  Was his name Masa Fujiwara?

Remember Wally Katsume the referee?  Not sure if that is his name.  Poor guy used to get tossed around like a rag doll when trying to break things up.  One time he lost it and popped a wrestler in the jaw because he was so mad, lol!!
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: stangzilla on May 02, 2020, 11:12:34 AM
Yes.  My Dad used to take us to as much of the Bloch Arena, Civic Auditorium, and HIC events as possible.  I loved it when Chief Billy White Wolf was taking a licking and then he would rally and do his Indian War Dance.  There was another Japanese wrestler that I liked.  He was one of the bad guys.  Was his name Masa Fujiwara?

Remember Wally Katsume the referee?  Not sure if that is his name.  Poor guy used to get tossed around like a rag doll when trying to break things up.  One time he lost it and popped a wrestler in the jaw because he was so mad, lol!!

Masa Fujiwara most likely Fuj Fujwara, aka Mr. Fuji
That was my friends uncle.
Tag team partner Masa Saito, Mr. Saito
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: oldfart on May 02, 2020, 11:23:26 AM
Yes.  My Dad used to take us to as much of the Bloch Arena, Civic Auditorium, and HIC events as possible.  I loved it when Chief Billy White Wolf was taking a licking and then he would rally and do his Indian War Dance.  There was another Japanese wrestler that I liked.  He was one of the bad guys.  Was his name Masa Fujiwara?

Remember Wally Katsume the referee?  Not sure if that is his name.  Poor guy used to get tossed around like a rag doll when trying to break things up.  One time he lost it and popped a wrestler in the jaw because he was so mad, lol!!
...
Oh I forgot about Wally Tatsumi!
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: macsak on May 02, 2020, 12:45:27 PM
That was a good day then. Sometimes, they don’t wear pants.

DL says sometimes you don't wear pants too
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: macsak on May 02, 2020, 12:47:27 PM
That was a good day then. Sometimes, they don’t wear pants.

a couple of sundays ago, there was a homeless girl walking across the street from goodwill to the dew drop inn parking lot holding a t shirt to her chest and that was it
she was talking to someone in a car there...
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: aieahound on May 02, 2020, 03:05:51 PM
How does a topic about an angry bum turn into a conversation about pro wrestling ?  :rofl:
Oh the irony.
( Wrestling Hawaii. Ooohhhhhh Yyyyyeeeaaahhhhh! )
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: groveler on May 02, 2020, 03:43:34 PM
How does a topic about an angry bum turn into a conversation about pro wrestling ?  :rofl:
Oh the irony.
( Wrestling Hawaii. Ooohhhhhh Yyyyyeeeaaahhhhh! )
Probably because this is a public forum and we are all
are afraid of cops.
Well you Oahu guys are,
Our cops are scared shitless.
We know where they live,
where their wives shop and when
the Democrats give permission
where their kids go to school.
You guys run over the state,
you may want to evaluate
the terrain.




Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: ren on May 02, 2020, 03:46:46 PM
Probably because this is a public forum and we are all
are afraid of cops.
Well you Oahu guys are,
Our cops are scared shitless.
We know where they live,
where their wives shop and when
the Democrats give permission
where their kids go to school.
You guys run over the state,
you may want to evaluate
the terrain.

you are out there
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: aieahound on May 02, 2020, 03:52:31 PM
Did not see that Segway coming Groveler.  :wacko:
Was just trying to make a joke and a reference to the Missing Link on the wrestling Hawaii commercial.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 02, 2020, 03:55:08 PM
Masa Fujiwara most likely Fuj Fujwara, aka Mr. Fuji
That was my friends uncle.
Tag team partner Masa Saito, Mr. Saito

Ok.  Now I remember. I'm terrible with the names but my memories are still crystal! ;)
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: QUIETShooter on May 02, 2020, 04:02:07 PM
...
Oh I forgot about Wally Tatsumi!

Wally Tatsumi!  Thanks for correcting me.  :shaka:
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: oldfart on May 02, 2020, 04:54:03 PM
Did not see that Segway coming Groveler.  :wacko:
Was just trying to make a joke and a reference to the Missing Link on the wrestling Hawaii commercial.
...
BTW, the Missing Link just passed away 4 months ago.
RIP Pampero Firpo.
He was one of my all time favorites.
Title: Re: Angry Bum
Post by: Heavies on May 05, 2020, 08:59:59 PM
For situational awareness sake, I never play with my phone in a public setting where there are a lot of people walking around.  Problem solved