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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: stangzilla on June 05, 2020, 12:02:34 PM
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https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/06/05/more-black-lives-matter-protests-planned-this-weekend/
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from HPD's FB page
https://www.facebook.com/honolulu.police/?__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARD6oiYSW-fh-DBKfAYaWFJ89K5OhdEe3d3QBTxzTtRtUvH2JgnvBcLfymrMXqWOVg2h5cJxwvZnfn4R&hc_ref=ARSF-fx008HCCFhzsyrF3WWineKpzjgyHeE-4zPvyNAprSyQSkHLBEX5v4X9LCOzTKc&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARCyTSkreHahaqxx5IXdoES-8Neia1pqMgR1AwmHDuy636BgpyiW5p2aKJaT3pQs9n3fslJBpQtsfT_WPCMNyg6Ya0lFBGzI9mvdlFdaxqko6mm3TYCYdoHisQTDMrLtGdzZ-cLJUUvYyqhb9jSUJtT_uJRZm-5KG0l0emj9YsU57KdvkavAuE4T_7YA8gsRLDtNHTYFsoiqs3ds90sa8a12AMCaOAqazQmtKA5eEfDfyLeF0NMKeHwySrX-uFstB7-Wvv7kW6vOTR9L9XweCTkL8nPJmQqnnGuFt_EURsJSW26K2M3toCSXNPnHbsbN1Ze0X7z-OV_bDsoP9n8xlcM5uxgeLJXxWkzz-TwpHEx85lNw-9ZY
HPD has received multiple inquiries about social media posts saying that mainland agitators are on Oahu to participate in local protests. HPD is aware of the posts and will be taking appropriate actions where warranted. There are also rumors about a medical facility being told to prepare for large numbers of injured protesters. This rumor is false.
Mahalo to everyone who has participated in the rallies and marches and peacefully exercised their right to free speech. Officers will continue to be present at all events to protect everyone’s safety and constitutional rights.
they are there to protect everyone's constitutional rights
what about the 2A, that's part of the constitution too. but you guys no believe in the 2nd amendment. protesters have more rights than us.
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those rumors about agitators coming to disrupt the protest been going around social media all week. rumors that its "antifa" agitators and rumors that its "proud boys" agitators. either way they're rumors like the the HPD post says
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protesters can gather by the thousands crowded together
meanwhile only 7 at a time at the rifle range
protesters > 2A
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maybe we should protest by going on every bench at kokohead
BLACK GUNS MATTER! :shaka:
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Curious if these outside agitators thought this through. Making trouble in a place where the only way to leave is the airport makes exit strategy tricky. One way out not good for them.
No riot you fakas lol.
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Route change as of this morning ——>
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Proud boys in hawaii are half asian. The fake news is saying PB=kkk=alohashirts
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Proud boys? What the flock?
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those rumors about agitators coming to disrupt the protest been going around social media all week. rumors that its "antifa" agitators and rumors that its "proud boys" agitators. either way they're rumors like the the HPD post says
No Worries.
Neither group can leave their hotel rooms for 14 days after arrival.
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https://youtu.be/a59q6tVHyJ4
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I drove by the march on Kapiolani Blvd today. Looked peaceful and they were chanting BLM stuff the whole way. It's usually paid leaders or progressive organizations that organize and lead the marches. Vast majority were wearing masks but no social distancing. Amazing how fast that changed. I do support everyone's right to protest and it's good that they are trying to do something about it, even though I disagree with their movement. Police abuse and racism is a serious matter that needs to be addressed, however blacks should be focusing on crimes within their own community which is like 99% of the problem.
I'd like to know more about how the event was organized. Did they get permits or special accommodations from the city? There was choke cops along the route, blocking off the streets, directing traffic, and performing special traffic enforcement. Are they getting paid special duty by an organization or is the city doing it for free? Would the city make special accommodations and provide free special duty to any protest especially when they're broke?
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Hope they staying hydrated. Last thing we need is one of them to face plant. Eat asphalt. And expire. Just get through the thing clean and go home :shaka:
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I drove by the march on Kapiolani Blvd today. Looked peaceful and they were chanting BLM stuff the whole way. It's usually paid leaders or progressive organizations that organize and lead the marches. Vast majority were wearing masks but no social distancing. Amazing how fast that changed. I do support everyone's right to protest and it's good that they are trying to do something about it, even though I disagree with their movement. Police abuse and racism is a serious matter that needs to be addressed, however blacks should be focusing on crimes within their own community which is like 99% of the problem.
I'd like to know more about how the event was organized. Did they get permits or special accommodations from the city? There was choke cops along the route, blocking off the streets, directing traffic, and performing special traffic enforcement. Are they getting paid special duty by an organization or is the city doing it for free? Would the city make special accommodations and provide free special duty to any protest especially when they're broke?
To solve a problem, you have to first define it.
The main problem isn't law enforcement brutality. It's crime. If the criminals would stop breaking the law, maybe the police would become less powerful?
That's how gov't usually gets power. They convince the public a major problem exists, then tell you they have the solution -- "just vote for me and donate to my campaign & party".
Has nobody seen The Music Man? "We got trouble right here in River City!" :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
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The main problem isn't law enforcement brutality.
Really?
Is anyone to believe the millions of Americans, including many cops and military personnel, that have come forward in support of the protests happening all over the US as well as the millions of other people all over the World must be wrong and the pro-establishment fascists who believe that police brutality does not exist and they can ignore the rights of the individual, like yourself, is right?
It's crime. If the criminals would stop breaking the law, maybe the police would become less powerful?
This has nothing to do with the death of George Floyd who was murdered by Chauvin, while his fellow fascist goons did nothing to stop him.
Police brutality plain and simple.
That's how gov't usually gets power. They convince the public a major problem exists, then tell you they have the solution -- "just vote for me and donate to my campaign & party".
What is the solution then, get rid of the government?
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Really?
Is anyone to believe the millions of Americans, including many cops and military personnel, that have come forward in support of the protests happening all over the US as well as the millions of other people all over the World must be wrong and the pro-establishment fascists who believe that police brutality does not exist and they can ignore the rights of the individual, like yourself, is right?
This has nothing to do with the death of George Floyd who was murdered by Chauvin, while his fellow fascist goons did nothing to stop him.
Police brutality plain and simple.
What is the solution then, get rid of the government?
Hey guy you "triggered me"
"What is the solution then, get rid of the government?"
The Democrat party one YEAH!
This is supposed to be America.
Although you personally want it to be some Racist
Hawaiian Kingdom.
Realistically we are a Democrat party
oligarchy. Where Democrats do as they please
regardless of that pitiful American Constitution
says.
You think your kingdom was overthrown by white
guys from the mainland, then why do you bend your knee
to the Democrat party over a dead black man killed by
a thug union Democrat cop?
Too bad they didn't burn Honolulu.
You could do nothing about it and call 911
and hope cousin shows up.
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Why did someone pull the fire alarm? :grrr:
(https://pics.onsizzle.com/aw-jeez-not-this-liberal-crap-again-how-prescient-of-5665541.png)
4 police officers fired and charged with crimes. What more? We released prisoners during this pandemic. Now some are calling for the disbandment of the police. Then what?
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then why do you bend your knee
to the Democrat party over a dead black man killed by
a thug union Democrat cop?
I could care less about Democrats or Republicans, as they are both opposite cheeks of the same ass.
Too bad they didn't burn Honolulu.
You could do nothing about it and call 911
and hope cousin shows up.
I could care less if they burn Honolulu or any town on any island.
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Why did someone pull the fire alarm? :grrr:
(https://pics.onsizzle.com/aw-jeez-not-this-liberal-crap-again-how-prescient-of-5665541.png)
4 police officers fired and charged with crimes. What more? We released prisoners during this pandemic. Now some are calling for the disbandment of the police. Then what?
I despise cops,but they are a necessary evil
here in Hawaii.
But what should they prioritize?
Speeding tickets?
DUI?
Domestic violence situations?
Traffic accidents and traffic
coordination's?
Interacting with homeless?
Investigations of crimes already committed?
Most cops focus on Traffic citations.
That is money for the state.
Dui enforcement may save a life.
Domestic Violence may save many.
Rest of it is just cleaning up a mess that
already occured
and documenting it.
Most police chief's concentrate on
traffic tickets.
safest things for their "guys".
After all the most imortant thing is to get
home safe at night.
Police aren't even in to top
ten most dangerous occupations.
Y'all figure it out.
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I could care less about Democrats or Republicans, as they are both opposite cheeks of the same ass.
I could care less if they burn Honolulu or any town on any island.
You and me both.
I'm not a Republican, or Conservative,
but I am an American.
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A 2015 Justice Department analysis of the Philadelphia Police Department found that white police officers were less likely than black or Hispanic officers to shoot unarmed black suspects. Research by Harvard economist Roland G. Fryer Jr. also found no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings. Any evidence to the contrary fails to take into account crime rates and civilian behavior before and during interactions with police.
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I could care less about Democrats or Republicans, as they are both opposite cheeks of the same ass.
I could care less if they burn Honolulu or any town on any island.
You should post your home address and invite them all over for a luau.
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Really?
Is anyone to believe the millions of Americans, including many cops and military personnel, that have come forward in support of the protests happening all over the US as well as the millions of other people all over the World must be wrong and the pro-establishment fascists who believe that police brutality does not exist and they can ignore the rights of the individual, like yourself, is right?
This has nothing to do with the death of George Floyd who was murdered by Chauvin, while his fellow fascist goons did nothing to stop him.
Police brutality plain and simple.
What is the solution then, get rid of the government?
Are you really that much of an idiot, of just trolling again?
Who said get rid of the government other than you??
Maybe try holding the RIGHT people accountable, and quit trying to blame the entirety of the Cops in the country.
These problems stem from the TOP. Look at all the corruption in HPD, all happening under a corrupt police chief and his prosecutor wife. Where is the protest against the Mayor and Governor who did NOTHING other than cover things up until the feds investigated?
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Maybe try holding the RIGHT people accountable, and quit trying to blame the entirety of the Cops in the country.
If the good cops start growing some balls and start reporting the bad cops they work with on a regular basis, maybe we are on to something that can address the problem. But with the police unions and the establishment themselves unwilling to prosecute their fascists minions, until the general populace explodes into a civil frenzy; the problem will not get solved.
These problems stem from the TOP. Look at all the corruption in HPD, all happening under a corrupt police chief and his prosecutor wife. Where is the protest against the Mayor and Governor who did NOTHING other than cover things up until the feds investigated?
This willing ignorance is exactly the heart of the problem and has nothing to do with which two political cheeks of the same ass is in charge. The police are nothing but the domestic enforcers of the state. Hence, changing who sits on the local throne of power does not matter. What matters is to set a transparent system for strict oversight, eliminate any legal protection afforded to cops, and begin an internal whistleblower program. These measures would be great starting points to earn the public trust.
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If the good cops start growing some balls and start reporting the bad cops they work with on a regular basis, maybe we are on to something that can address the problem. But with the police unions and the establishment themselves unwilling to prosecute their fascists minions, until the general populace explodes into a civil frenzy; the problem will not get solved.
This willing ignorance is exactly the heart of the problem and has nothing to do with which two political cheeks of the same ass is in charge. The police are nothing but the domestic enforcers of the state. Hence, changing who sits on the local throne of power does not matter. What matters is to set a transparent system for strict oversight, eliminate any legal protection afforded to cops, and begin an internal whistleblower program. These measures would be great starting points to earn the public trust.
One of the few times I agree with you.
After the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, all guys were
trained, that if an order or action violated your "Values".
You had to act. It may well be you will be punished
but that is a far less punishment than if you did
or allowed a major crime to occur.
Cops these days think they are para-military.
"Protect and serve" crap went out the door with Adam 12
TV.
The cops should have to operate under the same rules
as the military does, with the same threats of prosecution.
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If the good cops start growing some balls and start reporting the bad cops they work with on a regular basis, maybe we are on to something that can address the problem. But with the police unions and the establishment themselves unwilling to prosecute their fascists minions, until the general populace explodes into a civil frenzy; the problem will not get solved.
This willing ignorance is exactly the heart of the problem and has nothing to do with which two political cheeks of the same ass is in charge. The police are nothing but the domestic enforcers of the state. Hence, changing who sits on the local throne of power does not matter. What matters is to set a transparent system for strict oversight, eliminate any legal protection afforded to cops, and begin an internal whistleblower program. These measures would be great starting points to earn the public trust.
You accuse others of ignorance, and then state complete lies.
There are police and sheriff departments all across the country doing things right. They have LEADERSHIP that is training and guiding their agencies to do their jobs properly.
Yet, in your world, one bad Cop makes them all fascists.
Stereotyping is based in ignorance. You should learn more about stereotyping and ignorance (but then that would require less ignorance -- unlikely to happen).
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You love cops when they are beating black people to death, but then get all bent out of shape when they set their sights on your constitutional rights. This is all the same problem, but when ideology gets involved all rational thought goes out the window.
Is it more important to talk about criminals with badges, or is this an insult contest for people who’s emotional intelligence is stuck at the high school level?
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You love cops when they are beating black people to death, but then get all bent out of shape when they set their sights on your constitutional rights. This is all the same problem, but when ideology gets involved all rational thought goes out the window.
Is it more important to talk about criminals with badges, or is this an insult contest for people who’s emotional intelligence is stuck at the high school level?
I don't follow.
who are you addressing?
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There are police and sheriff departments all across the country doing things right. They have LEADERSHIP that is training and guiding their agencies to do their jobs properly.
Yes, but there is still a great number of police departments that are doing things wrong and for many decades.
Like I said earlier, I and many others will only believe the "good cops" narrative once cops are not benefited by any special legal protection or union with similar power.
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A bipartisan measure to fix the issues of police corruption and abuse is to get rid of qualified immunity. This would enable people to sue cops personally, so they have a stake in what they do. Bad cop makes a homeless man lick a toilet then they can lose their home. This would have to be planned carefully as you don't want good cops affected by this or else no one would want to be a police officer. Criminals will make fraudulent complaints and lawsuits all the time and it would cost a cop a lot of money just to defend themselves in court. Raise police officers pay and they could purchase insurance for it. Better yet, have the police union manage the insurance so officers will prevent each other from doing illegal stuff cause their money is at stake. Still provide some limited immunity protections though.
Bodycams were a good start, but they can be turned off at anytime. Limiting some of the power of police unions is needed. Unions are needed as sometimes cops get thrown under the bus for political reasons or as scapegoats. However they go to far sometimes to protect scum.
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Yes, but there is still a great number of police departments that are doing things wrong and for many decades.
Like I said earlier, I and many others will only believe the "good cops" narrative once cops are not benefited by any special legal protection or union with similar power.
Please, tell us all what the "great number" is.
Please list the source of that "great number" as well.
We could all benefit from a few facts over the horrible hyperbole so many are using to state their opinions lately. Maybe you can buck that trend instead of perpetuating it?
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A bipartisan measure to fix the issues of police corruption and abuse is to get rid of qualified immunity. This would enable people to sue cops personally, so they have a stake in what they do. Bad cop makes a homeless man lick a toilet then they can lose their home. This would have to be planned carefully as you don't want good cops affected by this or else no one would want to be a police officer. Criminals will make fraudulent complaints and lawsuits all the time and it would cost a cop a lot of money just to defend themselves in court. Raise police officers pay and they could purchase insurance for it. Better yet, have the police union manage the insurance so officers will prevent each other from doing illegal stuff cause their money is at stake. Still provide some limited immunity protections though.
Bodycams were a good start, but they can be turned off at anytime. Limiting some of the power of police unions is needed. Unions are needed as sometimes cops get thrown under the bus for political reasons or as scapegoats. However they go to far sometimes to protect scum.
Excellent balanced and fair post Zippz, which is not surprising coming from a well-knowledged and informed person like yourself. Unlike some other poster who takes a position that acknowledges the existence of bad cops, but quite conspicuously does not offer or mention the notion of addressing police brutality within that institution itself; I also advocate similar measures as a strong starting point for law enforcement to earn the trust of the people, once again.
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Excellent balanced and fair post Zippz, which is not surprising coming from a well-knowledged and informed person like yourself. Unlike some other poster who takes a position that acknowledges the existence of bad cops, but quite conspicuously does not offer or mention the notion of addressing police brutality within that institution itself; I also advocate similar measures as a strong starting point for law enforcement to earn the trust of the people, once again.
oh the irony....
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We should require body cams on elected officials, with ALL video made available on a public server. In fact, a live stream would not be bad. :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
No matter how much you clamor for Cops to rat on each other, it'll do no good unless the top brass takes action on the reported bad acts. Between bad press for the department and unions protecting the officers, mandating that Cops turn in bad Cops won't work. It'll be covered up before anything is done.
Look at what happened in one jurisdiction. Four Cops blew the whistle on the local gov't & police chief setting stated quotas for writing tickets and impounding cars because they were facing budget shortfalls. The Cops were accused of all manner of policy and law infractions, had internal affairs reports opened on them, and a number of other forms of retaliation.
The four Cops are now suing the township for civil rights violations.
It has to be addressed at the top before anything in the ranks will have an effect.
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U know I don't get all the anger. We should all agree that Floyd was a shit individual and so was this cop. I see at as a win all around. We should be cheering. Both removed from polite society. One in the ground and one locked up for a very long time. Too bad it doesn't happen as much as alot of people think it does. Too bad this exact same thing doesn't happen a million times over a year. Shit individuals offing other shit individuals and then both disappearing from the pool. World would end up being a better place over time. :shaka: