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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: drck1000 on July 03, 2020, 10:26:38 AM
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What are you observations of recovery of the firearms market recovery after the run on things due to Covid? Are there items that you've been waiting for prices and inventory to settle back down?
I was searching for an AR upper the past couple of days, looking for what deals for 4th of July. PSA is one site that I used to check here and there for good deals on firearms stuff, particularly complete uppers. They didn't have much in stock. I checked other sites that I normally shopped at previously. BCM, DSG, etc and seems like many of the uppers, even stripped uppers and other parts are out of stock. I mean I don't NEED another upper, but I was looking for something simple to shoot with just irons. I can easily shoot irons with any of my current uppers and just turn off the dot, but I wanted one with just irons to shoot and keep it simple.
Once I started noticing magazines coming back in stock and on sale for good prices, I thought things were returning to "good". Guess not for uppers. Seems like ammo pricing and availability has recovered a bit after the initial craziness in April, but still not back to "good".
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As PDs get defunded and crime goes up there will be a second wave...
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I've been keeping an eye out for parts these past several weeks, it's the worst now
Uppers, lowers, parts, all shortage now
Keep watching PSA website, theyll have something in stock and it'll sell out same day
I hope they are accurate with inventory
I ordered an optic that was in stock, but weeks later back ordered and they didnt even notify me
But recently I ordered a backup lower parts kit and trigger and it sent out quickly
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I think the NIB sales will be dead as soon as current stock is gone, and all that will be left is the used firearms market.
Everything is either back-ordered, or being produced well under the max capacity, or not being produced at all.
So in order for things to get back to full swing and stable prices, we first have to open up the economy, and economy isn't going to open up until the covid problem is resolved either by a vaccine or cure. In the meantime, the BLM/Hooligans problem will either get worse or be just as bad--on top of that, it's not helping the covid situation at all.
In either case, your firearms are an important commodity right now, and it's likely to keep continue growing in demand.
Let's say things don't get better--the economy doesn't open up, so nothing is getting produced nor imported. What should we do then? I'm really sorry for the folks trying to procure a firearm.
Near at the horizon, It may get harder to get ammo than it already is.
Keep vigilant.
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From the Daily Shooter
https://youtu.be/xsWTof5Hik4
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We're not going to see stock return to normal until after the election at the earliest. Add in Covid and BLM riots and your guess is as good as mine. I traveled to WI in May. You could still get 5.56 and 9mm from stores but at inflated prices. I did some quick math and decided that dollar per dollar I could have WAY more fun with 5,000 rounds of 22LR, 12g, and some 50 BMG for what I would have paid for a case each of 9 and 5.56. (There's not much more fun you can have for $2 than a can of Walmart shaving cream and a 3" 12g slug.)
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I've been keeping an eye out for parts these past several weeks, it's the worst now
Uppers, lowers, parts, all shortage now
Keep watching PSA website, theyll have something in stock and it'll sell out same day
I hope they are accurate with inventory
I ordered an optic that was in stock, but weeks later back ordered and they didnt even notify me
But recently I ordered a backup lower parts kit and trigger and it sent out quickly
I haven't bought much gun stuff since the shut down started. I got a chest rig for a new setup that I was putting together and the company that I was looking to get it from produces stuff in waves. So I was lucky that a buddy gave me the heads up one day that stuff was in stock. Good thing too because they were sold out again in hours. It's crazy how fast things sell out. Other shooting friends were looking for holsters and some lead times are 2-3 months!!!
I still occasionally check out PSA and a couple of other vendors for holiday sales. Was just sad to see how slim pickings PSA was. While I don't need anything, always looking out for good deals as well as "nice to haves".
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I think the NIB sales will be dead as soon as current stock is gone, and all that will be left is the used firearms market.
Everything is either back-ordered, or being produced well under the max capacity, or not being produced at all.
So in order for things to get back to full swing and stable prices, we first have to open up the economy, and economy isn't going to open up until the covid problem is resolved either by a vaccine or cure. In the meantime, the BLM/Hooligans problem will either get worse or be just as bad--on top of that, it's not helping the covid situation at all.
In either case, your firearms are an important commodity right now, and it's likely to keep continue growing in demand.
Let's say things don't get better--the economy doesn't open up, so nothing is getting produced nor imported. What should we do then? I'm really sorry for the folks trying to procure a firearm.
Near at the horizon, It may get harder to get ammo than it already is.
Keep vigilant.
Agreed that firearms and ammo are commodities. I've always viewed them as valuable items in many regards. Also feel sorry for folks trying to get firearms, particularly ones that are trying to get their first. I've met quite a few that are in that boat. Just bad timing as they got introduced to firearms in the Jan-Feb timeframe, before CV things heated up. They have purchased guns and are now waiting until their appt in August.
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We're not going to see stock return to normal until after the election at the earliest. Add in Covid and BLM riots and your guess is as good as mine. I traveled to WI in May. You could still get 5.56 and 9mm from stores but at inflated prices. I did some quick math and decided that dollar per dollar I could have WAY more fun with 5,000 rounds of 22LR, 12g, and some 50 BMG for what I would have paid for a case each of 9 and 5.56. (There's not much more fun you can have for $2 than a can of Walmart shaving cream and a 3" 12g slug.)
The cost of ammo right now is most disturbing for me. I have a decent amount and am was planning on shooting more rest of summer and into the fall. But this second wave is looking to be ramping up here.
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The cost of ammo right now is most disturbing for me. I have a decent amount and am was planning on shooting more rest of summer and into the fall. But this second wave is looking to be ramping up here.
380 was cheaper than 9mm so I used that as a opportunity to practice with my little carry guns. A Kahr p380 and a Bersa Thunder 380. Like you I’ve got a supply of stand by ammo and my range ammo. If Range Day is limited to 22LR I’ll still find a way to get some fun and some practice out of it.
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I'm just trying to get FCU parts for a stripped one I bought last week, for an M18 build. JD Supply doesn't know when they're getting any. There's one complete on Ebay for $499, but screw that crap. That was the original price point of a P320 before the govt contract. I'll wait it out.
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380 was cheaper than 9mm so I used that as a opportunity to practice with my little carry guns. A Kahr p380 and a Bersa Thunder 380. Like you I’ve got a supply of stand by ammo and my range ammo. If Range Day is limited to 22LR I’ll still find a way to get some fun and some practice out of it.
22 is one where I wish I had more. Both guns and ammo. Particularly a scoped 22 rifle.
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I actually had been thinking of thinning the herd just prior to this madness. Guns I haven’t shot in a while. I had gone full circle with expanding to different guns and calibers and then back to mainly one rifle and handgun type with more ammo for those.
I have had many friends ask me to help them buy a gun when things settle down. Will be interesting how the market looks then.
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What are you observations of recovery of the firearms market recovery after the run on things due to Covid? Are there items that you've been waiting for prices and inventory to settle back down?
I was searching for an AR upper the past couple of days, looking for what deals for 4th of July. PSA is one site that I used to check here and there for good deals on firearms stuff, particularly complete uppers. They didn't have much in stock. I checked other sites that I normally shopped at previously. BCM, DSG, etc and seems like many of the uppers, even stripped uppers and other parts are out of stock. I mean I don't NEED another upper, but I was looking for something simple to shoot with just irons. I can easily shoot irons with any of my current uppers and just turn off the dot, but I wanted one with just irons to shoot and keep it simple.
Once I started noticing magazines coming back in stock and on sale for good prices, I thought things were returning to "good". Guess not for uppers. Seems like ammo pricing and availability has recovered a bit after the initial craziness in April, but still not back to "good".
I think stock of AR uppers are going to be nonexistent until demand for complete ARs dissipate. Plus manufacturers aren't running at full capacity. A lot of sites aren't doing backorders too.
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If you're a hoarder of parts and ammo, you're now saying, "see, I told you so." ;)
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I think stock of AR uppers are going to be nonexistent until demand for complete ARs dissipate. Plus manufacturers aren't running at full capacity. A lot of sites aren't doing backorders too.
While the AR market is still slim, I've actually seen quite a few good (or at least decent) deals on complete guns. I'm not interested in complete guns and have "extra" lowers. Couldn't register a new one for months even if I did want one. . .
There are uppers that I would want in stock here and there, but they are on the pricey side. I was looking for a budget one, which is why I went to PSA first.
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If you're a hoarder of parts and ammo, you're now saying, "see, I told you so." ;)
Had that conversation with some shooting friends the past few weeks. Ma :rofl:ny with the "see, now you see why" feedback going to wives or S/O's.
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While the AR market is still slim, I've actually seen quite a few good (or at least decent) deals on complete guns. I'm not interested in complete guns and have "extra" lowers. Couldn't register a new one for months even if I did want one. . .
There are uppers that I would want in stock here and there, but they are on the pricey side. I was looking for a budget one, which is why I went to PSA first.
with forward assist
https://www.armorally.com/shop/aero-precision-5-56-nato-m4e1-atlas-s-one-complete-upper/ (https://www.armorally.com/shop/aero-precision-5-56-nato-m4e1-atlas-s-one-complete-upper/)
and without
https://www.armorally.com/shop/aero-precision-5-56-nato-ar15-slick-side-atlas-s-one-slick-side-complete-upper/ (https://www.armorally.com/shop/aero-precision-5-56-nato-ar15-slick-side-atlas-s-one-slick-side-complete-upper/)
bcg and charging handle not included on both uppers
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with forward assist
https://www.armorally.com/shop/aero-precision-5-56-nato-m4e1-atlas-s-one-complete-upper/ (https://www.armorally.com/shop/aero-precision-5-56-nato-m4e1-atlas-s-one-complete-upper/)
and without
https://www.armorally.com/shop/aero-precision-5-56-nato-ar15-slick-side-atlas-s-one-slick-side-complete-upper/ (https://www.armorally.com/shop/aero-precision-5-56-nato-ar15-slick-side-atlas-s-one-slick-side-complete-upper/)
bcg and charging handle not included on both uppers
Ahh. Never heard of that company. If I really needed an upper, I would be tempted.
One good thing about PSA is that they have (or used to have) basic uppers in the $200-300 range. I already have quality uppers, but if I could get one at a good price I was interested in a beater/KISS as a nice to have.
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I messed up my ar15 buffer tube and was looking for a replacement. There's none in the used market and some online places are sold out. Not sure what the market is for other AR15 parts. In the past few months I've been buying magazines, spotting scopes, replacement springs, holsters, and putting together my belt with no problems getting those items.
Only thing I'm interested in buying is ammo once the prices come down. I have about 4-6 months of ammo for heavy training to prep for my classes, plus a few more months of reloading supplies. I'm hoping ammo prices come down early next year.
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Here in AZ most black gun type stuff and tactical gear are gone in the LGS. Lots of revolvers, leverguns, single shots, pump actions, bolt actions, etc are still available. This includes a lot of old surplus stuff. The are a couple of stores in Phoenix that only sold black guns and tactical gear. The whole store looks empty when you walk in. :shake: Ammo is pretty much all gone but can be found if you go every day and catch them when they get shipments. At least they are getting shipments still. But the shipments are small and and not inclusive of many popular products. Small pistol/rifle primers are almost non existent now. Large pistol/rifle primers are getting tough to find. Jacketed bullets are very hard to find. Plated bullets are almost as hard to find. Lead/cast bullets are still available including coated bullets. Most of the popular powders are gone. Tho H335 is currently available in a couple of places if you need some grab it if you can. There are still good alternatives available.
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Not sure if linking other sites is allowed but
https://www.reddit.com/r/GunAccessoriesForSale/
has lots of parts, including uppers and other misc available
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I messed up my ar15 buffer tube and was looking for a replacement. There's none in the used market and some online places are sold out. Not sure what the market is for other AR15 parts. In the past few months I've been buying magazines, spotting scopes, replacement springs, holsters, and putting together my belt with no problems getting those items.
Only thing I'm interested in buying is ammo once the prices come down. I have about 4-6 months of ammo for heavy training to prep for my classes, plus a few more months of reloading supplies. I'm hoping ammo prices come down early next year.
I'm pretty sure I have a spare carbine buffer tube if you need. Probably lots of other parts as well. I swapped out the milspec assembly for the VLTOR/A5 on a couple of rifles, I have the "take off" parts just sitting around. Castle nut, buffer, etc. LMK what you need.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU8bpNsfTqY
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I’d invest in magazine companies like Okay and Magpul ;D ;)
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I just invested in a complete build kit from PSA, enhanced trigger, magpul furniture
I just went there to see if they had a sale, and they had the kit in stock
I took a few minutes thinking about it bc I don't really need another AR right now, but with all that's going on might be a good idea to have backup parts just in case, so after about 10 minutes thinking trying to talk myself out of it and warming up my lunch at work, I thought what the hell just order it
good thing I did bc I think I got the last one for now bc its out of stock after I ordered it
since I've been watching AR parts for the past several weeks, I notice the PSA kits are going up $10-20 each week. so maybe good thing I got it now, in a few months it'll be 100+ more
first prices go up, then no can find at all
get um while you can! :grrr:
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Ahh. Never heard of that company. If I really needed an upper, I would be tempted.
One good thing about PSA is that they have (or used to have) basic uppers in the $200-300 range. I already have quality uppers, but if I could get one at a good price I was interested in a beater/KISS as a nice to have.
Not in stock but able to backorder for $330
https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-assembled-upper-receiver-16-mid-length-w-fsb-sku100025502-109490-207143.aspx (https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/ar-15-assembled-upper-receiver-16-mid-length-w-fsb-sku100025502-109490-207143.aspx)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if1gW2WR2pM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0bChNKBJPI
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SNIP
In the mag video, he mentioned that he buys a mag every time he goes to a LGS. That could get expensive. ;D
I don't go into LGS that much these days, but even when I do, I often find myself buying more than what I went there for. Similar to trips to places like Lowe's and Home Depot.
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In the mag video, he mentioned that he buys a mag every time he goes to a LGS. That could get expensive. ;D
I don't go into LGS that much these days, but even when I do, I often find myself buying more than what I went there for. Similar to trips to places like Lowe's and Home Depot.
That's what I was thinking. Rather than buying just one per visit, I'd keep an eye out for sales or discounts on bulk buys.
Save some money for ammo. :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
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Was searching for a few parts online this weekend and there are still a number of items that are either out of stock as well as items that sell out quickly after coming back into stock.
One that I noticed was a folding rear sight that I have been wanting to swap out on one of my ARs. It came back in stock on Friday and when I checked Sat when I was going to put an order in, sold out. Not a big deal as I can wait, but I checked for that same sight on various other vendors and all out of stock. Either that, they were selling for about $20 over the going rate. Strange. . .
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Ordered an upper, BCG, and sights combo from PSA middle of last week. I was on the phone with tech support for my work laptop and was browsing and came across a pretty good deal, or at least one of the best I've seen in the last 4-5 months. Didn't "need" another upper, but I have been wanting one for some specific testing. That was right before the COVID stuff hit and seemingly everything was being bought up. Hopefully this is a sign that the firearms market is recovering. Hopefully the ammo situation improves. . .
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Ordered an upper, BCG, and sights combo from PSA middle of last week. I was on the phone with tech support for my work laptop and was browsing and came across a pretty good deal, or at least one of the best I've seen in the last 4-5 months. Didn't "need" another upper, but I have been wanting one for some specific testing. That was right before the COVID stuff hit and seemingly everything was being bought up. Hopefully this is a sign that the firearms market is recovering. Hopefully the ammo situation improves. . .
I broke down and I ordered 2 C&R guns from Classic Firearms a week ago. I ordered a Tokarev TTC made in Romania. It came yesterday packed in cosmoline. And I ordered a Carcano carbine. Even tho the Carcano is not the greatest rifle in the world, I wanted one because I enjoy reloading for and shooting obsolete firearms in obsolete cartridges. Its coming in this Wednesday. The Tokarev is in beautiful shape. I have not shot it yet. I was able to find dies and once fired brass for it pretty easily. Bullets should be no problem and I’ll eventually cast boolits for it.
I have not noticed any difference in availability of any reloading supplies. Primers are still non existent. But, I have noticed that a little bit of hard to get 22 ammo is showing up on AmmoSeek.com the last week or so. So is 9mm and 5.56mm all at outrageous prices. But the prices are now lower than they were a couple of weeks ago. I see 9mm at 50 cents per round (Was 65 cents 2 weeks ago) and 5.56 at 70 cents (Was $1.00 2 weeks ago). While Mini Mag’s and CCI SV are at 20 cents per round. Too high for my blood but they are available where a couple of weeks ago they were not available at all.
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I broke down and I ordered 2 C&R guns from Classic Firearms a week ago. I ordered a Tokarev TTC made in Romania. It came yesterday packed in cosmoline. And I ordered a Carcano carbine. Even tho the Carcano is not the greatest rifle in the world, I wanted one because I enjoy reloading for and shooting obsolete firearms in obsolete cartridges. Its coming in this Wednesday. The Tokarev is in beautiful shape. I have not shot it yet. I was able to find dies and once fired brass for it pretty easily. Bullets should be no problem and I’ll eventually cast boolits for it.
I have not noticed any difference in availability of any reloading supplies. Primers are still non existent. But, I have noticed that a little bit of hard to get 22 ammo is showing up on AmmoSeek.com the last week or so. So is 9mm and 5.56mm all at outrageous prices. But the prices are now lower than they were a couple of weeks ago. I see 9mm at 50 cents per round (Was 65 cents 2 weeks ago) and 5.56 at 70 cents (Was $1.00 2 weeks ago). While Mini Mag’s and CCI SV are at 20 cents per round. Too high for my blood but they are available where a couple of weeks ago they were not available at all.
Nice!
I had to look up what a Tokarev TTC is. Probably a good time to get into those, esp with your interest in loading for the uncommon calibers.
Ammo prices here are still crazy. I’ve been tempted to sell some 9 and .223/5.56, but have held off. I have a good amount of 9 and ok of .223/5.56, but haven’t been shooting the last month since the second shutdown.
Been eyeing .22 rifles though. 🤔
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Nice!
I had to look up what a Tokarev TTC is. Probably a good time to get into those, esp with your interest in loading for the uncommon calibers.
Ammo prices here are still crazy. I’ve been tempted to sell some 9 and .223/5.56, but have held off. I have a good amount of 9 and ok of .223/5.56, but haven’t been shooting the last month since the second shutdown.
Been eyeing .22 rifles though. 🤔
Sorry. The Tokarev pistol is a Russian design. It replaced the 1895 Nagant Revolver which was made from 1895 throughout WWII. I have one of those revolvers as well. Mine was made in 1914. The Tokarev I have was made in 1953 at the Cugir factory in Romania during the time of the USSR or Soviet occupation. The cartridge that the Tokarev fires is the 7.62x25 and it has superior ballistics to the 9mm. The bullet is lighter than a 9mm at 85-90gr but velocities run around 1200-1600 fps. As a matter of fact, this cartridge can defeat level 3 soft body armor. I have never seen nor held a Tokarev prior to arriving yesterday. It looks a little awkward from the photos but it is smaller than I thought it would be and it feels very good in my hand. Fit and finish on this pistol is great. I hope it is a good shooter. Now I am thinking I need to buy some of the variations like this Zastava that is chrome plated: https://www.classicfirearms.com/zastava-m57-tokarev-yugo-ceremonial-parade-finish/
I need more 22 rifles!!! :love: My favorite is my Stevens model 1925 pump action tube fed. I need to buy more pump action rifles.
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Recovery
Firearms/Parts/Mags - Im guessing inventory will be low for a while if Democrats can gain control of the house and senate. Every mass shooting will trigger a call for controls/restrictions. May be like the Obama years.
I’ve never really gotten into reloading because I’m lazy but ammo prices are steep so the pake in me is getting me to reload.
I wish I had stocked up more 22lr but I was trying to stock up more 223 and 9mm. Next time I’ll stock up 9mm and 223 reloading components instead of ammo so I could stock more 22lr
That said, stocking up 9mm, 45 and 223 was still worthwhile.
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I called SEC last Thursday and they had a few bricks of CCI srp and had Federal bluebox 22 & CCI SV in stock.
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Thanks! I was there the other week and spent $800 on powder and primers.
Would you have an idea what a brick is running? I’m thinking of picking up 2 more cases.
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Thanks! I was there the other week and spent $800 on powder and primers.
Would you have an idea what a brick is running? I’m thinking of picking up 2 more cases.
Not sure as I didn't ask. But, SEC's pricing has been fair during this pandemic.
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Believe bricks were starting at $38, which is still pretty good. I'm amazed at how much the price of powder has gone up. At least SEC still has a good supply of powder - for now.
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Dang - I remember when it was $15 a brick before sandy hook.
The current cases I have are $22/brick. I was getting close to ordering another case from Kaleo before 2020 went crazy. Oh well. I’ll just have to stretch what I have for a couple of years.
The powder I bought only went up a little bit...about $2 a pound... compared to 2017-2018ish
Primers don’t seem to have gone up too much. I remember it being about 30 for 1000 about 10 years ago when my friend was trying to talk me into using the reloading press we bought. I bought primers a few years ago but don’t remember what it cost. 38.50 seems decent when I hear it is 100+ for 1000 in some parts of the mainland