Post by: Phazuka on August 26, 2020, 03:33:33 AM
https://youtu.be/6sGy-tXl2Eg
Post by: zippz on August 26, 2020, 08:15:47 AM
He's going to need a lot of money for his criminal and civil trials. This makes a good case for having self-defense insurance.
Post by: hvybarrels on August 26, 2020, 08:41:41 AM
Charges are most likely a deterrent for others who want to protect themselves. The message is they should sit back and let it all burn.
Post by: zippz on August 26, 2020, 08:44:19 AM
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Post by: hvybarrels on August 26, 2020, 08:50:50 AM
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Post by: Mdotweber on August 26, 2020, 09:05:46 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 26, 2020, 09:27:04 AM
Hvybarrels is correct, this makes others not want to defend themselves.
Also good discipline for the responding PD to the guy who got a chunk of his arm blown off. Had another guy helping by providing a TQ and he placed his rifle on the ground. When PD arrived and told him to leave, he picked it back up. PD did not shoot him or tell him to leave his rifle on the ground.
And of course the fake news is already calling Kyle a militia member and vigilanti. The yahoo story doesn't even mentioned how he was attacked first.
Post by: ren on August 26, 2020, 09:33:39 AM
Ultimately, we will face a jury of peers and these peers I have no confidence in.
Post by: zippz on August 26, 2020, 09:43:21 AM
17yo
He might get dinged for it. Must be 18 to carry and possess a firearm.
Post by: aieahound on August 26, 2020, 10:56:28 AM
Post by: stangzilla on August 26, 2020, 11:09:47 AM
Is it my imagination, and the video is not clear, but it looks like the guy who got his arm shot up paused and reached for something from the appendix carry position with his right hand then charged forward again then got shot.
saw a couple reports that guy who got shot had a handgun and reached for it
Post by: stangzilla on August 26, 2020, 11:12:19 AM
if anyone goes against BLM or any protests and defends themselves, or a cop shoots a black person, the left ignores any context of the shooting and doesn't wait for any facts. just jump to a conclusion so that they can riot and loot even more. by that time all the left has already condemned the people that defended themselves or the cops that reacted by protocol
Post by: zippz on August 26, 2020, 11:34:19 AM
saw a couple reports that guy who got shot had a handgun and reached for it
Appears to be the case. Think he's supposed to be the medic. He was close to killing the kid.
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Post by: hvybarrels on August 26, 2020, 11:48:31 AM
Post by: aieahound on August 26, 2020, 12:05:49 PM
Who are other two who got shot?
The guy that stomped him and the guy who bashed him with the skateboard ?
Seems like he only shot legitimate threats who were attacking him.
Of course that’s not the story we’ll read about in the news.
Post by: aieahound on August 26, 2020, 01:04:14 PM
Different perspective.
Shows guy shot in arm presumably leaving in his handgun in the street where he got treated.
https://youtu.be/4stvfHLIgAQ
Shows him Go straight to cops after shooting
Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 26, 2020, 01:10:21 PM
Who are other two who got shot?
The guy that stomped him and the guy who bashed him with the skateboard ?
Seems like he only shot legitimate threats who were attacking him.
Of course that’s not the story we’ll read about in the news.
No info on the guy who got domed, but “Skateboard” guy is a twice convicted domestic abuser, and “Popeye” (all forearm and no bicep) is a felon convicted of burglary (he shouldn’t have had a pistol to begin with - but that’s none if my business).
Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 26, 2020, 01:26:13 PM
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Post by: aieahound on August 26, 2020, 01:39:12 PM
You can hear gunfire coming from what seems like multiple gun shots in a different area after this shooting and the guy in the Popeye treatment video says gunfire is coming from all over.
Maybe someone took advantage of the chaos.
Hopefully for the kid, it wasn’t a background bystander hit by a miss.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 26, 2020, 01:51:58 PM
Maybe the guy who got domed is unrelated.
You can hear gunfire coming from what seems like multiple gun shots in a different area after this shooting and the guy in the Popeye treatment video says gunfire is coming from all over.
Maybe someone took advantage of the chaos.
Hopefully for the kid, it wasn’t a background bystander hit by a miss.
The guy who was shot in the head is the bald guy in the maroon shirt. There's video of them trying to administer first aid to him after he was shot.
Post by: Brystont1 on August 26, 2020, 02:10:55 PM
He might get dinged for it. Must be 18 to carry and possess a firearm.
I read in the Wisconsin laws statute 948.60 section 3 (C) says something about an exception carved out for long guns that are not short barreled. This statue pertains to minors and firearms. I took that to mean that that statue does not apply to underage people unless it’s a short barreled rifle. I’m too lazy to go and find it I could be wrong (I probably am).
Post by: aieahound on August 26, 2020, 02:28:12 PM
The guy who was shot in the head is the bald guy in the maroon shirt. There's video of them trying to administer first aid to him after he was shot.
“The two people who were shot and killed overnight in Kenosha have been described as a 26-year-old Silver lake resident and a 36-year-old Kenosha resident.
Kenosha Chief of Police Daniel Miskinis said a 17-year-old from Antioch, Ill. was in custody out of state in relation to at least one of the deaths. “
https://journaltimes.com/news/local/police-release-information-about-victims-killed-in-kenosha-one-from-kenosha/article_c121aabf-38b8-5c2d-a601-cfee8b5327ca.html
Interesting.
Manipulated Media™
@thc_media
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Aug 25, 2020
Fuck around. Found out. Someone shot in the head looting a car shop in #Kenosha
(See link above for tweet link with video)
Bald guy in the maroon shirt.
My guess is ballistics won’t match.
“Shots were fired around 11:45 p.m. Tuesday, police said. After the first shots, a young White man carrying a rifle began running north on Sheridan Road, away from a crowd of protesters.
Video shows the armed man fall to the ground and then fire multiple rounds into the crowd. Two more people fell to the ground, one shot in the arm and the other in the chest, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported. Another graphic video shows a man with blood running down the back of his neck and bystanders shouting that he had been shot in the head.
A Washington Post journalist who observed the scene saw the man with the rifle run by with a few protesters in pursuit after gunfire erupted about a block away. He tripped and fell, rolled into a sitting position, raised his gun and opened fire at his pursuers.“
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/26/jacob-blake-kenosha-police-protests/
Maybe he shot the guy in the maroon shirt first and then ran.
Doesn’t match the scenario though, unless he got attacked.
Seems like sketchy reporting by the Washington Post who reported he fired shots into the crowd.
Apparently reporters don’t have time to watch the video.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 26, 2020, 05:24:59 PM
Post by: hvybarrels on August 26, 2020, 05:35:22 PM
After the shooting Kyle circles around the car and appears to dial 911 and attempts to report that he shot someone, but people on the scene told him that he should get away from there quickly before things escalate further. Kyle runs towards the police trying to turn himself in, but (after second defensive shooting) the cops tell him to get out fo the way and they roll past him.
https://youtu.be/ry4xvd2xU14?t=639
Post by: Phazuka on August 26, 2020, 06:59:58 PM
Post by: aieahound on August 26, 2020, 07:03:21 PM
That video is must see TV.
Certainly paints a clearer picture start to finish.
Too bad will never show up on any MSM.
I guess ballistics might match.
Shit. He was attacked twice in one night, tried to avoid the conflicts and Then defended himself.
Then tried to turn himself in and they wouldn’t take him.
Dude was open carrying a rifle and they attacked him. :wtf:
They’re gonna get him on “Shouldn’t have been out there with a gun”
Kyle’s gonna survive the zombie apocalypse though.
Post by: Kuleana on August 26, 2020, 07:57:21 PM
Too many video games, for that boy.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 26, 2020, 08:20:49 PM
Is he some specially trained militia specialist on call for his services?
Is he a member of an elite group dedicated to react on a moments notice to go anywhere in the US to protect life and property?
Or is he just a disillusioned kid just wanting an excuse to discharge his weapon in the pursuit of "protecting life and property?"
I don't think I can support the actions of this individual.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 26, 2020, 08:50:21 PM
Why would a person who resides in Illinois go all the way to Kenosha Wisconsin to help protect businesses from protesters?
Is he some specially trained militia specialist on call for his services?
Is he a member of an elite group dedicated to react on a moments notice to go anywhere in the US to protect life and property?
Or is he just a disillusioned kid just wanting an excuse to discharge his weapon in the pursuit of "protecting life and property?"
I don't think I can support the actions of this individual.
What if the property was owned by a relative?
Not enough information to judge his motives or reasons for being there.
IMO, he had more right to be there than the rioters.
Post by: hvybarrels on August 26, 2020, 08:58:00 PM
Post by: ren on August 26, 2020, 08:58:18 PM
Who allows a minor,go walking around, in the midst ofto riots, armed with a semi-automatic carbine?
Too many video games, for that boy.
Post by: Kuleana on August 26, 2020, 09:00:19 PM
What if the property was owned by a relative?
Not enough information to judge his motives or reasons for being there.
IMO, he had more right to be there than the rioters.
The boy was in the middle of the street, when he got himself, into some altercation, with those people.
What property was that boy defending, the family fire hydrant?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 26, 2020, 09:08:05 PM
The boy was in the middle of the street, when he got himself, into some altercation, with those people.
What property was that boy defending, the family fire hydrant?
I didn't realize you were on the scene. Please give more details with a play-by-play.
Was he CHASED into the middle of the street? Was he required to retreat?
Inquiring minds.
Post by: ren on August 26, 2020, 09:08:36 PM
The boy was in the middle of the street, when he got himself, into some altercation, with those people.
What property was that boy defending, the family fire hydrant?
he was defending public and private property
by that logic, all those out of state rioters should have only rioted in their own state
Post by: Kuleana on August 26, 2020, 09:16:01 PM
I didn't realize you were on the scene. Please give more details with a play-by-play.
Was he CHASED into the middle of the street? Was he required to retreat?
Inquiring minds.
If he was protecting family property, I find it hard to believe him being forced, off his property and on to the street, unless he decided to leave his family's property, for whatever his reason.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 26, 2020, 09:17:13 PM
If he was protecting family property, I find it hard to believe him being forced, off his property and on to the street, unless he decided to leave his family's property, for whatever his reason.
Based on WHAT FACTS?
Post by: Kuleana on August 26, 2020, 09:18:25 PM
he was defending public and private property.That boy has no legal authority to protect public property with a firearm.
Post by: ren on August 26, 2020, 09:23:48 PM
That boy has no legal authority to protect public property with a firearm.
sadly so
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Post by: Kuleana on August 26, 2020, 09:29:07 PM
Based on WHAT FACTS?
It turns out that young boy is a blue lives matters supporter and decided to come to the Kenosha party and give the cops a hand.
The cops for their part, suspiciously did not immediately arrest him, after shooting a couple of people, but instead offered the young suspect water.
Insanity. :shake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Xrv80axaE&bpctr=1598514701
Post by: hvybarrels on August 26, 2020, 09:31:50 PM
That boy has no legal authority to protect public property with a firearm.
Your ancestors thought the same way, and that is why you do not have a Kingdom any more.
Post by: Kuleana on August 26, 2020, 09:37:23 PM
sadly so
(https://www.bigislandvideonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/2015-09-06statue2.jpg)
Where are the police, when you need them?
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 26, 2020, 09:37:35 PM
But it seems he acted on his own.
His actions will only put a negative light on firearms owners and militias in general.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 26, 2020, 09:39:47 PM
Kyle Rittenhouse did not belong to any of the organized militias in Kenosha. If he wanted to help he should have contacted the militia leaders and ask in what capacity and what area he can help with.
But it seems he acted on his own.
His actions will only put a negative light on firearms owners and militias in general.
It's still too soon to know if that's the truth -- and the whole story -- or not.
Post by: macsak on August 26, 2020, 09:41:52 PM
Where are the police, when you need them?
I thought all cops are bad?
now you want their help?
p-thetic
Post by: Kuleana on August 26, 2020, 09:43:51 PM
Your ancestors thought the same way, and that is why you do not have a Kingdom any more.
No they did not.
Get your Hawaiian Kingdom history right. It was the American White descended Hawaiian nationals in government, who made sure, the aboriginal Kanaka Maoli not have any firearms, so they could not prevent the treasonous overthrow, of our last Queen.
This Hawaiian poster and many other Kanaka Maoli have learned what those White people did and will not allow foreigners to disarm us, again. :shaka:
Post by: Kuleana on August 26, 2020, 09:45:06 PM
I thought all cops are bad?
now you want their help?
p-thetic
Most of them are.
I was being sarcastic ???.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 26, 2020, 09:46:54 PM
No they did not.
Get your Hawaiian Kingdom history right. It was the American White descended Hawaiian nationals in government, who made sure, the aboriginal Kanaka Maoli not have any firearms, so they could not prevent their treasonous overthrow, of our last Queen.
This Hawaiian poster and many other Kanaka Maoli have learned what those White people did and will not make that same mistake, again. :shaka:
^^^ the very definition of racists.
Post by: Kuleana on August 26, 2020, 09:51:34 PM
^^^ the very definition of racists.
Racists?
You mean those American Republicans, after the illegal annexation of Hawaii in 1898, who discriminated against everybody, who was not White?
Post by: eyeeatingfish on August 26, 2020, 10:03:37 PM
I've seen the vids and each time it was self defense.
One caveat there though is that the video doesn't show what started the altercation. If he did something unlawful that started the altercation then he would not be justified in the shooting. I haven't heard anything that suggests he did anything wrong though. As long as there are no other negative circumstances then I too would agree it was a self defense shooting.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 26, 2020, 10:09:25 PM
Racists?
You mean those American Republicans, after the illegal annexation of Hawaii in 1898, who discriminated against everybody, who was not White?
So, their behavior justifies YOUR racism against all Whites everywhere who had nothing to do with your grievances?
Pathetic.
Post by: hvybarrels on August 26, 2020, 10:45:56 PM
No they did not.
Get your Hawaiian Kingdom history right. It was the American White descended Hawaiian nationals in government, who made sure, the aboriginal Kanaka Maoli not have any firearms, so they could not prevent the treasonous overthrow, of our last Queen.
This Hawaiian poster and many other Kanaka Maoli have learned what those White people did and will not allow foreigners to disarm us, again. :shaka:
Either they were citizens or they were not. The point is they met zero resistance, which was later interpreted as permission.
So easy even a 17yo kid can understand.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 26, 2020, 11:59:34 PM
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 08:01:09 AM
Either they were citizens or they were not. The point is they met zero resistance, which was later interpreted as permission.
So easy even a 17yo kid can understand.
Your rationale is so ill-informed; you are right in that only 17 year old kids could be duped with such propaganda.
Please read what was America's response to the overthrow of Queen Liliuokalani, in 1893. You will be amazed what the GREAT US PRESIDENT GROVER CLEVELAND thought about the American White Insurgents' coup and their request to be annexed by the US, immediately thereafter. :shaka:
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 08:05:40 AM
So, their behavior justifies YOUR racism against all Whites everywhere who had nothing to do with your grievances?
If the other cheek, of the same buttock, did not push the Republicans out of power, there would have been a probability that Hawaii would have still been a White's dominated island, for many years more.
Do you think such racism disappears over time?
Post by: ren on August 27, 2020, 08:08:12 AM
Your ancestors thought the same way, and that is why you do not have a Kingdom any more.
oh schnapp :o
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 08:11:51 AM
https://youtu.be/epR4bmJgrsw
So what? Blake admitted that he had a knife to the cops.
If so, why did the officer, not observe the infamous 21ft rule, when confronting someone armed with a knife? Video, of the shooting, clearly shows that officer walked right behind Blake, to this car. Did he forget his training or did he have the intent, to unload his service pistol, into Blake, at point blank range?
Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 27, 2020, 08:16:06 AM
Either they were citizens or they were not. The point is they met zero resistance, which was later interpreted as permission.
So easy even a 17yo kid can understand.
Where did you get that understanding about the events of the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom? I forget which book it was I read this in, but the US Marines came ashore at the request of a group of Hawaii businessmen who were upset with the Hawaiian Kingdom's rule. Leading this group was Lorrin Thurston. The marines came ashore in the early morning hours and quickly subdued the Queens guard who were still in their barracks. They marines secured the palace grounds and the queen in one of her rooms. As the day went on, word quickly spread of the events and a very large group of Kanaka Maoli began to gather around the palace grounds. According to Native Hawaiian accounts, the group was so large, they encircled all four sides and outnumbered the marines by several times. There were accounts of armed individuals in the crowd This group did not leave until night fall as there are accounts of people carrying torches. The accounts given about there being very little to not resistance come from the Pacific Courier Advertiser which was owned and operated by Thurston. These accounts would not reach the US Mainland for some time after the events of the overthrow and would shape public opinion of the events as they had transpired.
The siege ended only after Queen Liliuokalani was compelled by a marine officer to tell the people to go home. She did so because she did not want to see further bloodshed and believed that the US Government would find the invasion illegal and return the kingdom to here as the British had done prior. These reasons were laid out in a collection of her personal writings and letters during her incarceration.
The 1993 Apology Resolution by the U.S. Congress concedes that "the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii occurred with the active participation of agents and citizens of the United States and [...] the Native Hawaiian people never directly relinquished to the United States their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people over their national lands, either through the Kingdom of Hawaii or through a plebiscite or referendum"
Post by: aieahound on August 27, 2020, 08:22:32 AM
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 08:27:44 AM
Is this thread about the overthrow again (Really should have a dedicated thread for that and bar it from every other thread, JMO) ......or the Blake shooting......or the shooting by Kyle Rittenhouse.......
You can blame the usual anti-Hawaiians and the permatroll for that.
Post by: macsak on August 27, 2020, 08:31:49 AM
So what? Blake admitted that he had a knife to the cops.
If so, why did the officer, not observe the infamous 21ft rule, when confronting someone armed with a knife? Video, of the shooting, clearly shows that officer walked right behind Blake, to this car. Did he forget his training or did he have the intent, to unload his service pistol, into Blake, at point blank range?
the 21 foot "rule" is not used in many jurisdictions
Post by: zippz on August 27, 2020, 08:32:34 AM
So what? Blake admitted that he had a knife to the cops.
If so, why did the officer, not observe the infamous 21ft rule, when confronting someone armed with a knife? Video, of the shooting, clearly shows that officer walked right behind Blake, to this car. Did he forget his training or did he have the intent, to unload his service pistol, into Blake, at point blank range?
The 21 foot rule is for an unaware person with a gun in the holster. The cops had their guns out and were ready so they could be closer . The justification for the shooting is going to depend on if Blake had a knife in his hands outside the car or if it was a set of keys.
If Blake didn't have a knife in his hands, the cops should've rushed him. They had enough cops there to bring him down. This would've prevented the shooting later.
Post by: drck1000 on August 27, 2020, 08:48:28 AM
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 08:51:27 AM
The 21 foot rule is for an unaware person with a gun in the holster. The cops had their guns out and were ready so they could be closer . The justification for the shooting is going to depend on if Blake had a knife in his hands outside the car or if it was a set of keys.
If Blake didn't have a knife in his hands, the cops should've rushed him. They had enough cops there to bring him down. This would've prevented the shooting later.
That's the point Zippz.
The cops did have their weapons drawn and the officer, who shot Blake, willfully moved, into knife wielding range.
My question, is to do what? Pull Blake out, of his car, knowing the risks of being potentially stabbed or did he accepted those risks, to unload his pistol, into Blake's back?
Post by: hvybarrels on August 27, 2020, 09:15:03 AM
The siege ended only after Queen Liliuokalani was compelled by a marine officer to tell the people to go home. She did so because she did not want to see further bloodshed and believed...
Sounds like a lot of Democratic governors at the moment who also refuse to put down violent insurrections are following a well-worn historical path of failure and defeat.
Post by: zippz on August 27, 2020, 09:18:10 AM
That's the point Zippz.
The cops did have their weapons drawn and the officer, who shot Blake, willfully moved, into knife wielding range.
My question, is to do what? Pull Blake out, of his car, knowing the risks of being potentially stabbed or did he accepted those risks, to unload his pistol, into Blake's back?
Cop probably thought Blake had a gun in the cab. 7 rounds in the back sounds excessive.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 27, 2020, 09:33:11 AM
His actions will only put a negative light on firearms owners and militias in general.
To be fair, any action puts a negative light.
So guy who got shot in the head is seen throwing what looks like something lit on fire at Kyle as Kyle was running away from him. He than still chased Kyle. Guy is a convicted pedophile.
Skateboarder has multiple domestic violence history. So he is no saint either
Bicep blown half off guy is a felon for burglary and a bunch of other misdemeanors. So he wasn't supposed to have that Glock he had.
While Kyle was on the ground, there was another guy who had his hands up about 3 feet away from him. Kyle did not shoot. This will help his defense case because he only engaged the threats (getting hit with a skate board and guy with a Glock)
Nick Sandmans attorney is offering his services (that's the MAGA hat kid who sued the fake news and they settled for X amount)
There is a vid of Kyle giving an interview prior to the shootings. He stated he was there to protect the businesses and showed his med bag and stated also render medical aid to anyone who requires it
So in all, charges were very quick to be pressed against Kyle. 100% political reasons. How long did charges take for any of the Chaz killings? Go Fund Me has taken down the account for him. But Fundly has 1 going. But that too was taken down. DNC trying to screw him.
People posted his families address as well and threats are being made against his mother. The fake news by the next morning painted Kyle as a vigilante and militia.
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 09:36:54 AM
Cop probably thought Blake had a gun in the cab. 7 rounds in the back sounds excessive.
Unfortunately for the cop, Blake possessed no firearm, in his car.
So, we have a cop, who put himself and potentially his fellow officers, at risk, by following too closely, as Blake was attempting, to enter his vehicle, and then unloading 7 shots, of his service pistol, into Blake's back, at point blank range.
I fail to see what other circumstance could explain the officer moving that close to Blake and then justify his shooting of Blake, in front, of his own kids, who were in the backseat, of his car.
Post by: zippz on August 27, 2020, 09:45:19 AM
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Post by: Brystont1 on August 27, 2020, 10:01:40 AM
Unfortunately for the cop, Blake possessed no firearm, in his car.
So, we have a cop, who put himself and potentially his fellow officers, at risk, by following too closely, as Blake was attempting, to enter his vehicle, and then unloading 7 shots, of his service pistol, into Blake's back, at point blank range.
I fail to see what other circumstance could explain the officer moving that close to Blake and then justify his shooting of Blake, in front, of his own kids, who were in the backseat, of his car.
Like most good cops, who are not murderous psychopaths he probably was risking his life because the last thing he wanted to do was kill that dude. If you watch he was grabbing the guys shirt, clearly to prevent him from getting in the car. The cop has no idea What he’s reaching for in the car. I think it’s safe to assume that when someone has guns drawn on them by cops they probably should not be reaching into anything. Doesn’t matter if no gun was found.
Also it’s funny you bring up the children as if it’s the police responsibility and not the dumbass fathers responsibility to not walk towards his kids when guns are drawn on him.
Post by: ren on August 27, 2020, 10:09:13 AM
You can blame the usual anti-Hawaiians and the permatroll for that.
"anti-Hawaiian" ?
Kyle Rittenhouse and Jake Blake were not Hawaiians...or were they?
Post by: drck1000 on August 27, 2020, 10:10:17 AM
I forget which movie that came from, but best I recall context was a snipes were shooting at a group and got "dealt with".
I finally watched the video and the guy is screaming "MEDIC!". I'm not sure what I would be saying in that moment, but I'm pretty sure it would be a LOT of swearing. :o
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 27, 2020, 11:12:15 AM
I finally watched the video and the guy is screaming "MEDIC!". I'm not sure what I would be saying in that moment, but I'm pretty sure it would be a LOT of swearing. :o
Interesting how he screamed medic. Like there is 1 on site because they planned on needing one. Also guess his hat that said "paramedic" on it was like those FBI hats (From Big Island).
Not sure which side the guy who came with the TQ is on. But if he wasn't with Antifa, I would not have given up my TQ. Possible he didn't see what happened too.
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 11:25:32 AM
Like most good cops, who are not murderous psychopaths he probably was risking his life because the last thing he wanted to do was kill that dude.Risking his life for what again?
If you watch he was grabbing the guys shirt, clearly to prevent him from getting in the car. The cop has no idea What he’s reaching for in the car. I think it’s safe to assume that when someone has guns drawn on them by cops they probably should not be reaching into anything. Doesn’t matter if no gun was found.I agree. But the shoot first and ask questions later defense does not jive in this case.
Also it’s funny you bring up the children as if it’s the police responsibility and not the dumbass fathers responsibility to not walk towards his kids when guns are drawn on him.Based on what you said, the shooting cop had a right to discharge his weapon, point blank into Blake, rooted in conjecture, while knowing he could accidently shoot one of Blake's kids in the backseat.
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 11:27:05 AM
"anti-Hawaiian" ?Does that describe you?
:stopjack:
Post by: drck1000 on August 27, 2020, 11:39:17 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 27, 2020, 11:43:32 AM
😳 ;D
This is the most meme's i've seen about a shooting. And they're damn funny as hell. Good guy took out 3 bad guys.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 27, 2020, 11:44:14 AM
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Post by: aieahound on August 27, 2020, 11:47:55 AM
There is a vid of Kyle giving an interview prior to the shootings. He stated he was there to protect the businesses and showed his med bag and stated also render medical aid to anyone who requires it.
That video of his interview was actually very good and showed how level headed he was. There to protect businesses and offer aid to anyone on either side if needed.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 27, 2020, 11:50:03 AM
If the other cheek, of the same buttock, did not push the Republicans out of power, there would have been a probability that Hawaii would have still been a White's dominated island, for many years more.
Do you think such racism disappears over time?
You really think that way?
Pathetic.
Post by: drck1000 on August 27, 2020, 11:54:06 AM
Interesting how he screamed medic. Like there is 1 on site because they planned on needing one. Also guess his hat that said "paramedic" on it was like those FBI hats (From Big Island).I assume that "they" have organized support. Like that video where the guy was screaming for a TQ after he got shot with a rubber ball (non/less lethal). I mean, good on them actually to have med folks there. You only have one TQ? Rookie. . . :P
Not sure which side the guy who came with the TQ is on. But if he wasn't with Antifa, I would not have given up my TQ. Possible he didn't see what happened too.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 27, 2020, 11:54:16 AM
So what? Blake admitted that he had a knife to the cops.
If so, why did the officer, not observe the infamous 21ft rule, when confronting someone armed with a knife? Video, of the shooting, clearly shows that officer walked right behind Blake, to this car. Did he forget his training or did he have the intent, to unload his service pistol, into Blake, at point blank range?
Blake stated he was going to get a gun out of his car and shoot the Cops. Then he went to his car.
Blake was originally reported to police for going around the area threatening people (not Cops) with his knife.
The Tazer was deployed and failed -- probably because Blake was too high for him to feel the effects.
There's a much larger story here than the few "highlights" you seem to want to include.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 27, 2020, 12:17:50 PM
Racists?
You mean those American Republicans, after the illegal annexation of Hawaii in 1898, who discriminated against everybody, who was not White?
Once again -- actions of people who are NO LONGER LIVING.
Your anti-white comments are directed at people living today who had absolutely nothing to do with anything done in 1898.
Why can't you see the stupidity in your comments and beliefs?
Oh - right. Hatred does that to people.
Post by: aieahound on August 27, 2020, 12:20:13 PM
Blake is a duplicate topic.
No. I am not a Mod.
Just sayin’ a bunch of us are interested in this Kyle Rittenhouse topic.
There is already a thread for the Blake topic.
As Mac would say: Focus.
And I thought we got past sovereignty on this thread......
Post by: Brystont1 on August 27, 2020, 12:32:38 PM
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=37808.0
Blake is a duplicate topic.
No. I am not a Mod.
Just sayin’ a bunch of us are interested in this Kyle Rittenhouse topic.
There is already a thread for the Blake topic.
As Mac would say: Focus.
And I thought we got past sovereignty on this thread......
You right, back to the Kyle topic.
A lot of people are harping on this kid because he was underage and they are quoting open carry laws in Wisconsin. Was he open carrying though? From what I understand he was protecting a buddies business. Isn’t a business an extension of the home? I mean if my little brother was carrying a rifle in my house that would be legal right? Seems he was chased off of the friends property and he carried his rifle with him to protect himself, is that considered open carrying?
I really want tho kid to be let off, I believe America needs more young men like him.
Post by: hvybarrels on August 27, 2020, 12:33:49 PM
And I thought we got past sovereignty on this thread......
My fault. I was pointing out that sometimes the price of liberty means effectively dealing with those who want to take it away.
Post by: ren on August 27, 2020, 12:37:21 PM
U old guys might not understand this one.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200827/ae15e3a7915a5fa30c29a10c43e3c06e.jpg)
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referring to DJI's "drone" control through hand gesture?
Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 27, 2020, 12:42:30 PM
U old guys might not understand this one.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200827/ae15e3a7915a5fa30c29a10c43e3c06e.jpg)
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I’d have opted for the Shield Turret given the circumstances. 2 more and he get call in some BRRRRRRT BRRRRRRT.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 27, 2020, 12:47:45 PM
referring to DJI's "drone" control through hand gesture?
Hahahhaha old dude.
In the video game Call of Duty, when you get 2 or 3 kills without dying, you get a reward by being able to call in a a UAV (known as a killstreak reward). This UAV (Unmanned Ariel Vehicle) lets you and your entire team know the location of the opposite teams players. It's very useful. So the meme is that Kyle killed enough to earn the killstreak.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 27, 2020, 12:48:25 PM
That video of his interview was actually very good and showed how level headed he was. There to protect businesses and offer aid to anyone on either side if needed.
And the media won't play that video.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 27, 2020, 12:55:04 PM
And the media won't play that video.
The media has stepped back from these recent riot-related events for one reason: they learned from polls this week that the BLM / ANTIFA riots and violence are helping Trump in the election polls.
People being wounded and killed, billions of dollars in property destroyed, businesses looted and burned down, law enforcement unable to protect the public? "Meh."
Trump's poll number going up? "Stop the riots!!"
Post by: ren on August 27, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
Hahahhaha old dude.
In the video game Call of Duty, when you get 2 or 3 kills without dying, you get a reward by being able to call in a a UAV (known as a killstreak reward). This UAV (Unmanned Ariel Vehicle) lets you and your entire team know the location of the opposite teams players. It's very useful. So the meme is that Kyle killed enough to earn the killstreak.
you play games son
I build the real things
pfft...video game "killstreak" ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uQC1mH4x4E
Post by: macsak on August 27, 2020, 01:15:45 PM
The media has stepped back from these recent riot-related events for one reason: they learned from polls this week that the BLM / ANTIFA riots and violence are helping Trump in the election polls.
People being wounded and killed, billions of dollars in property destroyed, businesses looted and burned down, law enforcement unable to protect the public? "Meh."
Trump's poll number going up? "Stop the riots!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgbIHd0ZXl8&t=2s
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 02:04:48 PM
Once again -- actions of people who are NO LONGER LIVING.
Your anti-white comments are directed at people living today who had absolutely nothing to do with anything done in 1898.
Why can't you see the stupidity in your comments and beliefs?
Oh - right. Hatred does that to people.
The negative adverse effects, of what was done, in 1898, still is illegal and persists today. Any hatred I have today is directed, at the entity that was and is currently responsible, for that injustice.
:stopjack:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 27, 2020, 02:06:28 PM
The negative adverse effects, of what was done, in 1898, still is illegal and persists today. Any hatred I have today is directed, at the entity that was and is currently responsible, for that injustice.
:stopjack:
Haters gonna hate.
At least you admit that's what's driving you.
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 02:11:55 PM
I really want tho kid to be let off, I believe America needs more young men like him.
The US needs more people, who follow the law; not take the law, into their own hands, and dispense justice.
How do we know that young boy was not filled with so much cop supporting testosterone that he was just itching and looking, for the first opportunity, to unload his AR-15, on any rioter or pillager he came across?
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 02:12:46 PM
Haters gonna hate.
At least you admit that's what's driving you.
All Kanaka Maoli.
Post by: Brystont1 on August 27, 2020, 02:14:28 PM
All Kanaka Maoli.
Speak for yourself.
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 02:16:31 PM
Speak for yourself.
You Hawaiian?
Post by: Brystont1 on August 27, 2020, 02:19:20 PM
The US needs more people, who follow the law; not take the law, into their own hands, and dispense justice.
How do we know that young boy was not filled with so much cop supporting testosterone that he was just itching and looking, for the first opportunity, to unload his AR-15, on any rioter or pillager he came across?
I guess we’ll never know. Oh wait except there’s video of him offering EMT assistance to protesters even after being pepper sprayed in the face. Not really the actions of the person you described. Pretty simple to understand if your being objective.
Btw he never took the law into his own hands. He had every right to help protect private property especially when the police were taking hours to respond to things.
It’s a good thing Hawaiian nationals didn’t take things into their own hands, they might’ve stopped the overthrow and we wouldn’t be living in the greatest country on earth.
Post by: Brystont1 on August 27, 2020, 02:20:32 PM
You Hawaiian?
Does it matter? If I am does that throw a wrench in your entire argument?
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 02:28:25 PM
Does it matter? If I am does that throw a wrench in your entire argument?
Not at all.
However, it is always interesting to meet a Hawaiian, who rejects history and law, when it comes to this issue; just like most liberal democrats. :shaka:
:stopjack:
Post by: ren on August 27, 2020, 02:41:04 PM
Not at all.
However, it is always interesting to meet a Hawaiian, who rejects history and law, when it comes to this issue; just like most liberal democrats. :shaka:
like thoseprotestorsrioters that attacked Kyle Rittenhouse
:stopjack:
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 27, 2020, 04:09:31 PM
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Post by: 19pontiac79 on August 27, 2020, 04:20:35 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 27, 2020, 04:33:55 PM
I give the kid cred. That he didn't keep shooting the guy that had the pistol until he hit the ground.He had no spare mags. Had to conserve ammo.
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Post by: QUIETShooter on August 27, 2020, 04:43:45 PM
You right, back to the Kyle topic.
A lot of people are harping on this kid because he was underage and they are quoting open carry laws in Wisconsin. Was he open carrying though? From what I understand he was protecting a buddies business. Isn’t a business an extension of the home? I mean if my little brother was carrying a rifle in my house that would be legal right? Seems he was chased off of the friends property and he carried his rifle with him to protect himself, is that considered open carrying?
I really want tho kid to be let off, I believe America needs more young men like him.
So I'm trying to understand the motivation of Kyle Rittenhouse to pack his weapon and go protect properties and businesses in another state. Did he have a personal interest in protecting property in Kenosha? He was protecting a buddy's property? Where can I read about this? I've only read about him acting on his own, not belonging to any militia group in the area.
Another area of my concern is he was reported milling in and out of the crowds in the streets at times. Why didn't he station himself at the property(s) that he was concerned about protecting?
I also just read here that he was making a sort of sign that they use when these kids play those war type computer games. Yeah I'm an old guy and don't understand these computer sign things. But the worrisome part is he making those gestures as if what he just did was just a game like the ones he plays on the computer. He just killed 2 people and he makes like its part of the game. WTF.
Anyway, I'm 100% all in for protecting life and property during these riots against these fuckers who use the cause as an excuse to pilfer and loot. But to act on your own trying to provide medical care yet carrying a deadly weapon and NOT having anyone to watch your back is dangerous. Lots of loonies and crazies out there that can grab your weapon while you are trying to help someone who is hurt.
Armed and organized militias working under supervision of law enforcement can work. But lone individuals, no matter how good the intent is dangerous.
One other thing that bothers me is at least 2 videographers interviewed him and mentioned that they thought it was odd that this young kid was walking around and not affiliated with any militia or organization. I would think that would raise a red flag and should be at least reported to police but I wonder if they let it go and watched the kid closely, knowing the potential of something like this happening. I say this because of the tons of video material available when the shit hit the fan. Like those guys were waiting for the train wreck.
Anyway, tragic and a catalyst for other young computer game rambos to follow suit in the effort to protect life and property.
My 2 cents.
Post by: Brystont1 on August 27, 2020, 05:08:44 PM
So I'm trying to understand the motivation of Kyle Rittenhouse to pack his weapon and go protect properties and businesses in another state. Did he have a personal interest in protecting property in Kenosha? He was protecting a buddy's property? Where can I read about this? I've only read about him acting on his own, not belonging to any militia group in the area.
Another area of my concern is he was reported milling in and out of the crowds in the streets at times. Why didn't he station himself at the property(s) that he was concerned about protecting?
I also just read here that he was making a sort of sign that they use when these kids play those war type computer games. Yeah I'm an old guy and don't understand these computer sign things. But the worrisome part is he making those gestures as if what he just did was just a game like the ones he plays on the computer. He just killed 2 people and he makes like its part of the game. WTF.
Anyway, I'm 100% all in for protecting life and property during these riots against these fuckers who use the cause as an excuse to pilfer and loot. But to act on your own trying to provide medical care yet carrying a deadly weapon and NOT having anyone to watch your back is dangerous. Lots of loonies and crazies out there that can grab your weapon while you are trying to help someone who is hurt.
Armed and organized militias working under supervision of law enforcement can work. But lone individuals, no matter how good the intent is dangerous.
One other thing that bothers me is at least 2 videographers interviewed him and mentioned that they thought it was odd that this young kid was walking around and not affiliated with any militia or organization. I would think that would raise a red flag and should be at least reported to police but I wonder if they let it go and watched the kid closely, knowing the potential of something like this happening. I say this because of the tons of video material available when the shit hit the fan. Like those guys were waiting for the train wreck.
Anyway, tragic and a catalyst for other young computer game rambos to follow suit in the effort to protect life and property.
My 2 cents.
I’m not sure where I read he was protecting a buddies place I’ll admit up front. I don’t believe he was by himself. If you look up “civilian militia Wisconsin” on YouTube you’ll see a militia member with a helmet and I think it’s a headlight on his head. There’s another video from a live stream that show Kyle in a group with this same person. Whether that proves he was there by himself or not is for you to decide.
As for the video game thing I’m not sure what HanD gesture he’s making in that photo it isn’t really clear to me. However if you look at the various videos of him before the shooting it doesn’t look like he’s playing around or anything.
I also read somewhere he was part of a youth cadet training program so I wouldn’t really suggest he was some internet Rambo wannabe.
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 05:16:12 PM
So I'm trying to understand the motivation of Kyle Rittenhouse to pack his weapon and go protect properties and businesses in another state. Did he have a personal interest in protecting property in Kenosha? He was protecting a buddy's property? Where can I read about this? I've only read about him acting on his own, not belonging to any militia group in the area.
Another area of my concern is he was reported milling in and out of the crowds in the streets at times. Why didn't he station himself at the property(s) that he was concerned about protecting?
I also just read here that he was making a sort of sign that they use when these kids play those war type computer games. Yeah I'm an old guy and don't understand these computer sign things. But the worrisome part is he making those gestures as if what he just did was just a game like the ones he plays on the computer. He just killed 2 people and he makes like its part of the game. WTF.
Anyway, I'm 100% all in for protecting life and property during these riots against these fuckers who use the cause as an excuse to pilfer and loot. But to act on your own trying to provide medical care yet carrying a deadly weapon and NOT having anyone to watch your back is dangerous. Lots of loonies and crazies out there that can grab your weapon while you are trying to help someone who is hurt.
Armed and organized militias working under supervision of law enforcement can work. But lone individuals, no matter how good the intent is dangerous.
One other thing that bothers me is at least 2 videographers interviewed him and mentioned that they thought it was odd that this young kid was walking around and not affiliated with any militia or organization. I would think that would raise a red flag and should be at least reported to police but I wonder if they let it go and watched the kid closely, knowing the potential of something like this happening. I say this because of the tons of video material available when the shit hit the fan. Like those guys were waiting for the train wreck.
Anyway, tragic and a catalyst for other young computer game rambos to follow suit in the effort to protect life and property.
My 2 cents.
Excellent Post!
What a lot of these Judge Dredd, shoot first and find excuses later types, on this forum, fail to realize is that it is easy to commend this young, unprofessionally trained or experienced in riot control, boy trying to do the job of law enforcement, WHEN it is not their own son.
I wonder how many, of these forum posters, would send their own sons, into the fray in Kenosha? The fact that this young naive fool barely survived his near death experience, will forever, be traumatized, by the lives, of the two people he killed, for the rest, of his life.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 27, 2020, 05:17:27 PM
All Kanaka Maoli.
Don't you have a telescope to go protest? Or is that tantrum over now?
Post by: Kuleana on August 27, 2020, 05:18:52 PM
Don't you have a telescope to go protest? Or is that tantrum over now?
Covid-19.
Post by: 19pontiac79 on August 27, 2020, 06:35:23 PM
Relax it's joke :geekdanc: :shaka:
You know you gotta say now days :thumbsup:
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 27, 2020, 06:48:42 PM
I’m not sure where I read he was protecting a buddies place I’ll admit up front. I don’t believe he was by himself. If you look up “civilian militia Wisconsin” on YouTube you’ll see a militia member with a helmet and I think it’s a headlight on his head. There’s another video from a live stream that show Kyle in a group with this same person. Whether that proves he was there by himself or not is for you to decide.
As for the video game thing I’m not sure what HanD gesture he’s making in that photo it isn’t really clear to me. However if you look at the various videos of him before the shooting it doesn’t look like he’s playing around or anything.
I also read somewhere he was part of a youth cadet training program so I wouldn’t really suggest he was some internet Rambo wannabe.
He did show fire discipline and constraint during the confrontations. And I apologize if I tied him with the Rambo types out there. I meant that his actions might spur those type of people to emulate what he was trying to do. This young man doesn't seem to be like those nut case mass shooters.
But at the young age of 17 he's bound to be screwed for life. One of the charges against him can put him in prison for life. Too bad. He believed in Blue Lives Matter and supports Trump. It's ironic and tragic that the very ones he was trying to help (law enforcement) are the ones who had to go and arrest him.
I hope more information as to what happened will come out. What I'd like to know is how and why that initial shooting happened. That initial situation resulted in the other two shootings as he was being chased down the street. Why did he shoot the first protester?
Post by: zippz on August 27, 2020, 06:53:28 PM
I read in the Wisconsin laws statute 948.60 section 3 (C) says something about an exception carved out for long guns that are not short barreled. This statue pertains to minors and firearms. I took that to mean that that statue does not apply to underage people unless it’s a short barreled rifle. I’m too lazy to go and find it I could be wrong (I probably am).
I've been going through the Wisconsin laws and you may be right. If so he is able to possess a loaded rifle on private property. I can't find a statute on open carry on public property that says you have to be 18. There is no open carry statute, and it's based off Wisconsin's disorderly conduct statute which doesn't state an age.
I would think someone more knowledgeable would've said something about it by now, but I haven't seen anything.
Post by: hvybarrels on August 27, 2020, 06:55:15 PM
Why did he shoot the first protester?
Because he was a rioter, not a protester
Post by: aieahound on August 27, 2020, 06:56:48 PM
He’s on private property when he first gets attacked. And he try’s to run but is cornered on the property and apparently domes the guy. Then runs again around the cars.
Tries to call 911 and the people who come to give the shot guy aid appear to tell him to get the hell out there.
He runs down the street towards the cops, mob chases, gets smacked from behind, trips, then gets stomped, hit with a skateboard in the head and has a gun pulled on him.
He handles his business against the aggressors, gets up and further proceeds to cops and turns himself in. Only they don’t take him.
Not in one video see him act as the aggressor. Not that it’s not out there though and I wasn’t there.
He did show fire discipline and constraint during the confrontations. And I apologize if I tied him with the Rambo types out there. I meant that his actions might spur those type of people to emulate what he was trying to do. This young man doesn't seem to be like those nut case mass shooters.
But at the young age of 17 he's bound to be screwed for life. One of the charges against him can put him in prison for life. Too bad. He believed in Blue Lives Matter and supports Trump. It's ironic and tragic that the very ones he was trying to help (law enforcement) are the ones who had to go and arrest him.
I hope more information as to what happened will come out. What I'd like to know is how and why that initial shooting happened. That initial situation resulted in the other two shootings as he was being chased down the street. Why did he shoot the first protester?
I agree with the above.
But yeah, what happened with the first victim that provoked his attack on this kid ?
Kid seemed mellow in the interview.
On the video, first guy seems to be straight up going after him.
Post by: zippz on August 27, 2020, 07:24:49 PM
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-Kenosha-Shootings-Kyle-Rittenhouse-A-Tactical-and-Legal-Analysis-WARNING-Bandwidth-Intensive/5-2362796/
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 27, 2020, 07:33:57 PM
I've been going through the Wisconsin laws and you may be right. If so he is able to possess a loaded rifle on private property. I can't find a statute on open carry on public property that says you have to be 18. There is no open carry statute, and it's based off Wisconsin's disorderly conduct statute which doesn't state an age.
I would think someone more knowledgeable would've said something about it by now, but I haven't seen anything.
Based on what I read, there's a part of Wisconsin law called "Privilege". Basically, under certain listed circumstances, such as defense against threat of personal injury or death, you can use the privileged conduct as a defense when charged with crimes pertaining to said conduct.
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/939/III/45
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 27, 2020, 08:14:03 PM
This is a long but good read that someone compiled.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-Kenosha-Shootings-Kyle-Rittenhouse-A-Tactical-and-Legal-Analysis-WARNING-Bandwidth-Intensive/5-2362796/
Thank you for sharing this. Lots of information. Seems like this tragic story starts with an armed individual that had no backup.
Because there are a lot of people out there on the protest marches that only want to stir up trouble with no intention of protesting peacefully.
Armed militias working closely with law enforcement in groups and teams work better than individuals trying to help.
Post by: Brystont1 on August 27, 2020, 08:35:21 PM
This is a long but good read that someone compiled.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-Kenosha-Shootings-Kyle-Rittenhouse-A-Tactical-and-Legal-Analysis-WARNING-Bandwidth-Intensive/5-2362796/
Awesome read. Looks like the narrative that he traveled “ALL THE WAY” to Wisconsin looking for trouble seems pretty false considering he lived 20 min away.
However looks as if he’ll get dinged for his age and crossing state lines.
Post by: drck1000 on August 27, 2020, 08:39:18 PM
Sort of like how keyboard warriors act these days. Like the "wise" Mike Tyson once said, "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the facE for it".
There was a guy on another board that was a real ass, but actually was a really good at debating points and often times ended up making people look stupid when they got into an argument with him where he knew a LOT about the subject. It was often hilarious how riled up people would get. I was a MOD on that board, so even more so when they would come whining to me after they got schooled. I actually met him when I was on a business trip to Texas and he and a few other board Admin/Mods met up. Anyways, we were talking and someone asked him "do you act like that online because you're anonymous, or do you do that in real life?" He was like "I used to argue like that in real life a lot, but then I got my teeth knocked out a few times, and had to stop". ;D :rofl:
Post by: macsak on August 27, 2020, 09:03:01 PM
Haven't really dug into his motivations or justification for being there, the laws for the city/state, etc. I will, but have just been so damn busy. That said, I think one big point for me is that these protestors/rioters have gotten so emboldened by pussy ass government officials tolerating the lawlessness, even encouraging it, like in Seattle. About time they finally encountered the "guy they just shouldn't have fucked with".
Sort of like how keyboard warriors act these days. Like the "wise" Mike Tyson once said, "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the fact for it".
There was a guy on another board that was a real ass, but actually was a really good at debating points and often times ended up making people look stupid when they got into an argument with him where he knew a LOT about the subject. It was often hilarious how riled up people would get. I was a MOD on that board, so even more so when they would come whining to me after they got schooled. I actually met him when I was on a business trip to Texas and he and a few other board Admin/Mods met up. Anyways, we were talking and someone asked him "do you act like that online because you're anonymous, or do you do that in real life?" He was like "I used to argue like that in real life a lot, but then I got my teeth knocked out a few times, and had to stop". ;D :rofl:
I hate it when that happens...
Post by: drck1000 on August 27, 2020, 09:04:21 PM
I hate it when that happens...Why are you tormenting me?!?!?!
:(
:rofl:
Post by: aieahound on August 28, 2020, 08:55:24 AM
“ The complaint cited a coroner’s report which “indicated that Rosenbaum had a gunshot wound to the right groin which fractured his pelvis, a gunshot wound to the back which perforated his right lung and liver, a gunshot wound to the left hand, a superficial gunshot wound to his lateral left thigh, and a graze gunshot wound to the right side of his forehead.”
Didn’t look in the videos like Kyle shot the guy 5 times. And you can hear What seems like other gun shots fired.
Who knows.
Note:
The Left is trying to bury Rittenhouse quickly in the media because the Right is trying to defend him. This may be another line drawn in the sand.
Unfortunately for Kyle. It won’t play out based on facts and evidence. It will play out on ideologies and narratives twisted to ideologies. In the media anyway.
Of course they’re lumping in Trump supporters defend murderer.
Post by: Phazuka on August 28, 2020, 09:34:22 AM
It turns out that young boy is a blue lives matters supporter and decided to come to the Kenosha party and give the cops a hand.
The cops for their part, suspiciously did not immediately arrest him, after shooting a couple of people, but instead offered the young suspect water.
Insanity. :shake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Xrv80axaE&bpctr=1598514701
He was given water BEFORE the shootings occured.
Post by: hvybarrels on August 28, 2020, 09:45:07 AM
He was given water BEFORE the shootings occured.
At this point it is clear our in-house CCP “Hawaiian” is either lying or losing grip on sanity and nobody here is buying what he is selling.
Post by: 19pontiac79 on August 28, 2020, 09:54:35 AM
Coroner’s report from shooting of first guy.
“ The complaint cited a coroner’s report which “indicated that Rosenbaum had a gunshot wound to the right groin which fractured his pelvis, a gunshot wound to the back which perforated his right lung and liver, a gunshot wound to the left hand, a superficial gunshot wound to his lateral left thigh, and a graze gunshot wound to the right side of his forehead.”
Didn’t look in the videos like Kyle shot the guy 5 times. And you can hear What seems like other gun shots fired.
Who knows.
Note:
The Left is trying to bury Rittenhouse quickly in the media because the Right is trying to defend him. This may be another line drawn in the sand.
Unfortunately for Kyle. It won’t play out based on facts and evidence. It will play out on ideologies and narratives twisted to ideologies. In the media anyway.
Of course they’re lumping in Trump supporters defend murderer.
There are reports saying he was running towards a building with "rooftop Koreans" when he turned and shot the first guy. So authorities don't know who killed him. They may have gave him a hand. Lots still to come out I think.
Post by: stangzilla on August 28, 2020, 10:20:22 AM
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 11:00:08 AM
1. He lives with his single parent mom; is a high school drop-out; had his application, to the US Marines rejected; and had a fetish, with police and the military. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/)
2. Rittenhouse illegally acquires an AR-15 and assembles a med-kit, learned from his part-time job, as a lifeguard, and heads to Kenosha. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/)
3. In Kenosha, Rittenhouse is interviewed, by some news reporters, who report that Rittenhouse says, he is there to protect businesses and render medical assistance, but he also says there is no such thing as nonlethal, regarding his role. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/)
4. Rittenhouse violates the local curfew, as does other protestors/rioters, and mans his self-assigned post.
5. On the night, of the incident, Sam Dirks, 22, from Milwaukee, said he had seen the gunman (Rittenhouse) earlier, in the evening, and he was yelling at some, of the protesters. “He was definitely very agitated. He was pacing around, just pointing his gun in general. Not necessarily at anyone specifically." (https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/08/26/breaking-news/17-year-old-arrested-in-killing-of-2-people-in-kenosha-wisconsin/)
6. As Rittenhouse was being interviewed, by another reporter, Joseph Rosenbaum, Rittenhouse's first victim, began to approach Rittenhouse; words are exchanged with Rosenbaum resulting in Rosenbaum throwing a white plastic bag to Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse flees and Rosenbaum pursues him to a parking lot. The reporter follows and notes Rittenhouse has his weapon, at the low ready. Rittenhouse aims a shot to Rosenbaum and misses. Rosenbaum responds, by closing the gap, in an unwise attempt, to disarm Rittenhouse, and Rittenhouse unloads 4rds, from his illegally possessed, AR-15, killing Rosenbaum. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
7. Rittenhouse panics, apparently calls 911, to report what he has done; and flees the scene yelling that he just killed someone. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
8. Bystanders shocked, by the apparent killing of Rosenbaum, and seeing the fleeing Rittenhouse, admitting to the murder, give collective pursuit, in a mob attempt, to capture Rittenhouse and/or to disarm him. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
9. Rittenhouse eventually trips and falls. A first pursuer is almost on him, but Rittenhouse fires 2rds and misses. That person retreats. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
10. A second pursuer, Anthony Huber, tries to subdue Rittenhouse, with his skateboard, and goes to disarm Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse fends off that attempt and shoots 1rd point blank, into Huber's chest, killing him instantly. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/)
11. Rittenhouse sits up and points his gun at another pursuer, Gaige Grosskreutz, who had started to approach him. Grosskreutz froze and took a step back, putting his hands in the air. Grosskreutz then moves toward Rittenhouse, who aimed his rifle and fired one shot, hitting Grosskreutz, in the arm. Grosskreutz retreats. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
12. Rittenhouse gets-up and holding his weapon, in the ready position, makes his way, to the on-coming police, in the distance, while pointing his AR-15, indiscriminately at passers-by, until he reaches authorities. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
13 Rittenhouse makes it back home, but is arrested the next day.
14. Other armed men, in Kenosha, were attached to groups, with varying motives and ideologies. None of the groups have claimed Rittenhouse, as a member. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/)
15. Felony Charges: Rittenhouse is charged, with first-degree reckless homicide, in Joseph Rosenbaum's death, and first-degree recklessly endangering safety, for firing near the reporter; he is charged, with first-degree recklessly endangering safety, in his failed attempt, to hit his first pursuer; he is charged, with first-degree intentional homicide, in Anthony Huber's death; and he is charged, of attempted first-degree intentional homicide, in the shooting of Gaige Grosskreutz. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
16. Misdemeanor Charge: Rittenhouse is charged, with possession, of a dangerous weapon, by a person under 18. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 11:03:08 AM
At this point it is clear our in-house CCP “Hawaiian” is either lying or losing grip on sanity and nobody here is buying what he is selling.
Your obvious attempt, of assassinating my character, is very lame.
CCP Hawaiian? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 28, 2020, 11:08:41 AM
#6, there was something heavy enough inside the while plastic bag that made it able to be thrown and not just go up in the air. Also the item was too heavy, where the guy could only throw it a limited distance. Maybe a brick or stone inside.
#7 Doesn't look like he paniced. He did use his phone very quickly after shooting the pedo.
#10 unknown if skate boarder was trying to disarm or attack further. Video looks like attack further IMO
#11 Bad guys Glock was grabbed quickly because he was shot because it's still being gripped in his hand in the pics of part of his bicep missing.
So overall lesson: Don't attack someone who is armed.
Post by: 19pontiac79 on August 28, 2020, 11:13:08 AM
Let's see what we know, about the young Rittenhouse and the actions he took, on the night, of the shooting.
1. He lives with his single parent mom; is a high school drop-out; had his application, to the US Marines rejected; and had a fetish, with police and the military. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/)
2. Rittenhouse illegally acquires an AR-15 and assembles a med-kit, learned from his part-time job, as a lifeguard, and heads to Kenosha. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/)
3. In Kenosha, Rittenhouse is interviewed, by some news reporters, who report that Rittenhouse says, he is there to protect businesses and render medical assistance, but he also says there is no such thing as nonlethal, regarding his role. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/)
4. Rittenhouse violates the local curfew, as does other protestors/rioters, and mans his self-assigned post.
5. On the night, of the incident, Sam Dirks, 22, from Milwaukee, said he had seen the gunman (Rittenhouse) earlier, in the evening, and he was yelling at some, of the protesters. “He was definitely very agitated. He was pacing around, just pointing his gun in general. Not necessarily at anyone specifically." (https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/08/26/breaking-news/17-year-old-arrested-in-killing-of-2-people-in-kenosha-wisconsin/)
6. As Rittenhouse was being interviewed, by another reporter, Joseph Rosenbaum, Rittenhouse's first victim, began to approach Rittenhouse; words are exchanged with Rosenbaum resulting in Rosenbaum throwing a white plastic bag to Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse flees and Rosenbaum pursues him to a parking lot. The reporter follows and notes Rittenhouse has his weapon, at the low ready. Rittenhouse aims a shot to Rosenbaum and misses. Rosenbaum responds, by closing the gap, in an unwise attempt, to disarm Rittenhouse, and Rittenhouse unloads 4rds, from his illegally possessed, AR-15, killing Rosenbaum. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
7. Rittenhouse panics, apparently calls 911, to report what he has done; and flees the scene yelling that he just killed someone. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
8. Bystanders shocked, by the apparent killing of Rosenbaum, and seeing the fleeing Rittenhouse, admitting to the murder, give collective pursuit, in a mob attempt, to capture Rittenhouse and/or to disarm him. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
9. Rittenhouse eventually trips and falls. A first pursuer is almost on him, but Rittenhouse fires 2rds and misses. That person retreats. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
10. A second pursuer, Anthony Huber, tries to subdue Rittenhouse, with his skateboard, and goes to disarm Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse fends off that attempt and shoots 1rd point blank, into Huber's chest, killing him instantly. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/)
11. Rittenhouse sits up and points his gun at another pursuer, Gaige Grosskreutz, who had started to approach him. Grosskreutz froze and took a step back, putting his hands in the air. Grosskreutz then moves toward Rittenhouse, who aimed his rifle and fired one shot, hitting Grosskreutz, in the arm. Grosskreutz retreats. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
12. Rittenhouse gets-up and holding his weapon, in the ready position, makes his way, to the on-coming police, in the distance, while pointing his AR-15, indiscriminately at passers-by, until he reaches authorities. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
13 Rittenhouse makes it back home, but is arrested the next day.
14. Other armed men, in Kenosha, were attached to groups, with varying motives and ideologies. None of the groups have claimed Rittenhouse, as a member. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-protests/)
15. Felony Charges: Rittenhouse is charged, with first-degree reckless homicide, in Joseph Rosenbaum's death, and first-degree recklessly endangering safety, for firing near the reporter; he is charged, with first-degree recklessly endangering safety, in his failed attempt, to hit his first pursuer; he is charged, with first-degree intentional homicide, in Anthony Huber's death; and he is charged, of attempted first-degree intentional homicide, in the shooting of Gaige Grosskreutz. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
16. Misdemeanor Charge: Rittenhouse is charged, with possession, of a dangerous weapon, by a person under 18. (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/27/kyle-rittenhouse-charged-shooting-killing-jacob-blake-protesters/5651016002/)
All your wapo links to the same article? Even if the kid turns out to be twisted up. Just like the Floyd case I don't cry when dirtbags die, on both sides. So maybe twisted kid put away for a long time. And three assholes with toe tags soon to be growing grass.
ITS A WIN ALLROUND!
:thumbsup: :shaka:
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 11:27:14 AM
All your wapo links to the same article? Even if the kid turns out to be twisted up. Just like the Floyd case I don't cry when dirtbags die, on both sides. So maybe twisted kid put away for a long time. And three assholes with toe tags soon to be growing grass.
ITS A WIN ALLROUND!
:thumbsup: :shaka:
The information is from the most recent articles, regarding this matter. As more articles are published, the timeline of events can change.
This tragic incident is not a win-win situation. First ,the shooting stakes have just been raised, between those, who wish to protect their communities and those, who wish, to protest social injustice. Rioters get what they deserve.
Second, because of this incident, you can bet, there will be more gun laws introduced.
Post by: aieahound on August 28, 2020, 11:39:21 AM
Did you even watch all the videos? (Or a lot of them anyway, can’t say all.)
Your getting all your facts from the media? (And only three biased liberal sources.)
It would take way too much space to correct All the mis-leading statements in that recap.
Don’t regurgitate someone else’s ideological narrative.
Watch the videos.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 28, 2020, 11:46:24 AM
This tragic incident is not a win-win situation. First ,the shooting stakes have just been raised, between those, who wish to protect their communities and those, who wish, to protest social injustice. Rioters get what they deserve.
I don't think it was raised. TBH, I'm surprised nothing more has happened sooner. So many people are injured and property destroyed while police do nothing. I remember the rooftop Korean vids where guys shooting like it's nothing. No one went to jail or charged.
Kyle did not use deadly force to protect property. He used it when he was in danger. Normally an argument could me made that the rifle was brought to protect property. But in his interview 45 mins prior to the shooting, he was asked why he had his rifle. He said to protect himself. So pretty much everything went right for this kid to help his defense later. He was even cleaning graffiti off the wall in the afternoon. The only bad choice he made was to be there. But I understand why he went. He's a patriot and was sick of seeing antifa doing antifa things. Like how many other patriots are.
More gun laws that are waiting to be pushed will defiantly use this and 1 sided stories to promote said bills. Wait till HPD uses this for Young vs. Hawaii. I can see Ballard saying " If Young wins, we do not want a Kenosha, WI where a kid killed 2 people".
Post by: 19pontiac79 on August 28, 2020, 12:01:36 PM
The information is from the most recent articles, regarding this matter. As more articles are published, the timeline of events can change.
This tragic incident is not a win-win situation. First ,the shooting stakes have just been raised, between those, who wish to protect their communities and those, who wish, to protest social injustice. Rioters get what they deserve.
Second, because of this incident, you can bet, there will be more gun laws introduced.
Still I think
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Post by: ren on August 28, 2020, 12:01:56 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/23/09/12603918-0-image-a-3_1556006855660.jpg)
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Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 12:04:46 PM
Kuleana,
Did you even watch all the videos? (Or a lot of them anyway, can’t say all.)
Your getting all your facts from the media? (And only three biased liberal sources.)
It would take way too much space to correct All the mis-leading statements in that recap.
Don’t regurgitate someone else’s ideological narrative.
Watch the videos.
I did watch all the available videos. However, those videos, only show the actions taken, by the people involved. Videos do not provide an accurate picture, to the intentions, of the specific individuals, or provide context. Hence, the written accounts, as they are made available, are and must be taken into consideration.
So far, it appears that Rittenhouse, was a young and not particularly bright individual, as being a high school drop-out that could not get accepted, into the US military. He lived with his mom and did not have the benefit, of a strong father figure, to guide him. He commits a crime, of acquiring an AR-15, to pursue his naïve fantasy, of being a true American patriot, to man the bulwarks, in Kenosha. He is not part, of any, of the militia groups there, and has no real professional training in anything. He takes his self-assigned post and finds himself obviously way over his head, when reality arrives. He ends up killing two people that he will regret the rest of his life, not to mention screwing over the 2nd Amendment community, with his brashness, that will reverse the recent gains, against existing gun laws that many have worked so hard, to legally overturn.
Post by: aieahound on August 28, 2020, 12:29:34 PM
“ Under Illinois law, it's illegal for someone under 18 to possess "any firearm of a size which may be concealed upon the person," which would seem to exclude a rifle.
...
Illinois State Police would not say whether Rittenhouse or his mother have a valid FOID card, saying state statute bars the agency from disclosing that. In Illinois, minors under age 21 can apply for a FOID card as long as they have a sponsor who is a parent or legal guardian. The sponsor does not have to have a FOID card, but must be eligible for one.
There is no minimum age for minors to have a FOID card and there are no FOID-related restrictions regarding what types of guns minors can carry, state police spokeswoman Beth Hundsdorfer said.
The parent or guardian must sign an affidavit giving consent for the minor to possess firearms and ammunition, and saying, "(I) understand I shall be liable for any damages resulting from the minor applicant's use of firearms or firearm ammunition," according to the online form.
Wisconsin, which is an open-carry state, has "really convoluted" gun possession laws for people under 18, Grieve said. That's because possession of a gun by someone under 18 is a Class A misdemeanor, but there are also statutes that, for example, allow people under age 16 to have guns for hunting with certain safety provisions, but with no specific regulations for 17- and 18-year olds, Grieve said.“
https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20200827/guns-were-turned-in-after-kenosha-shooting-but-antioch-police-wont-say-who-owned-them
I did watch all the available videos. However, those videos, only show the actions taken, by the people involved. Videos do not provide an accurate picture, to the intentions, of the specific individuals, or provide context. Hence, the written accounts, as they are made available, are and must be taken into consideration.
Did you look at any Conservative written accounts ? Just to get 2 sides of a story?
So far, it appears that Rittenhouse, was a young and not particularly bright individual, as being a high school drop-out that could not get accepted, into the US military. He lived with his mom and did not have the benefit, of a strong father figure, to guide him.
I can’t even comment on those statements. Did you read what you wrote?
Post by: stangzilla on August 28, 2020, 12:36:36 PM
Post by: toku58 on August 28, 2020, 12:36:52 PM
The gunman (Kyle)
-appeared to be running away from the crowd
-the group ran after him and tried to assault him
-he did the only thing he could and protected his life
Not sure how anyone could possibly see anything else?
He reacted better than most officers in this situation.
He didn’t panic and start randomly shooting everyone around him.
He selected his target as best he could in that extreme situation. (Better than most Keyboard big mouths could ever hope to.)
Don’t allow the BS media to change your opinion! Look at all the videos.
He was NEVER the aggressor when the shooting took place! And that’s a FACT!
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 12:45:18 PM
Illinois State Police would not say whether Rittenhouse or his mother have a valid FOID card, saying state statute bars the agency from disclosing that. In Illinois, minors under age 21 can apply for a FOID card as long as they have a sponsor who is a parent or legal guardian. The sponsor does not have to have a FOID card, but must be eligible for one.If anything, we need to see, if his mother has that FOID card.
There is no minimum age for minors to have a FOID card and there are no FOID-related restrictions regarding what types of guns minors can carry, state police spokeswoman Beth Hundsdorfer said.
The parent or guardian must sign an affidavit giving consent for the minor to possess firearms and ammunition, and saying, "(I) understand I shall be liable for any damages resulting from the minor applicant's use of firearms or firearm ammunition," according to the online form.
Did you look at any Conservative written accounts ? Just to get 2 sides of a story?Please post them, I would love to read them. :shaka:
I can’t even comment on those statements. Did you read what you wrote?My comments are based on Rittenhouses' background featured, in an article, from the Washington Post.
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 12:55:14 PM
It’s a good thing Hawaiian nationals didn’t take things into their own hands, they might’ve stopped the overthrow and we wouldn’t be living in the greatest country on earth.You mean the country, with violent riots, runaway debt, race hatred, fascist cops, corrupt central government, in a economic depression, erosion of the US Constitution, etc.?
Sounds like a nation that is falling apart to me. :shaka:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 01:10:57 PM
You mean the country, with violent riots, runaway debt, race hatred, fascist cops, corrupt central government, in a economic depression, erosion of the US Constitution, etc.?
Sounds like a nation that is falling apart to me. :shaka:
Other countries have these problems, too. The main difference is we have the right to voice our disagreement with how the government is running things, and to possess and use arms to defend ourselves, property, and the nation against tyranny -- tyranny of the government as well as anarchy of mobs who are being enabled by a tyrannical local government.
Based on your posts, you don't believe anyone has the right to confront a mob which is causing injury, death and destruction. You'd have us become like those other countries without individual liberties and the means to defend ourselves.
We know you hate the United States, Cops and the Military. Oh ... and all White people who did NOTHING to cause the annexation of Hawaii.
Is your therapist allowed to see patients during the lockdown? Just curious. :geekdanc:
Post by: aieahound on August 28, 2020, 01:13:10 PM
If anything, we need to see, if his mother has that FOID card.
Mom doesn’t need one. Just to be eligible to get.
Although she’s fawked If he had one as she would have needed to file an assumption of liability.
And you never did answer the question about where you got the info he illegally obtained/acquired the weapon.
Please post them, I would love to read them. :shaka:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/what_really_happened_with_those_kenosha_shootings.html
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1299086141329563648
You can google the rest.
I pretty much went on the plethora of videos.
My comments are based on Rittenhouses' background featured, in an article, from the Washington Post.
With your judgmental comments attached. Never saw where they reported he was not particularly bright and never had a strong father figure around.
Post by: Tacozfail on August 28, 2020, 01:25:39 PM
This is a long but good read that someone compiled.This link has lots of video I hadn’t seen before in other areas.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/The-Kenosha-Shootings-Kyle-Rittenhouse-A-Tactical-and-Legal-Analysis-WARNING-Bandwidth-Intensive/5-2362796/
I suggest everyone who is truly interested in learning more of this event go read it. It is long but it offers some interesting views. I’ll let you decide which side you fall on.
Personally from what I’ve seen so far he didn’t strike me as a kid that was “looking to shoot or kill” someone as some have made him out to be.
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 01:26:15 PM
And you never did answer the question about where you got the info he illegally obtained/acquired the weapon.
That was an inference, on my part, upon knowing he is being charged, as a minor having an AR-15.
My comments on Rittenhouse' background, is my summary, of his personal profile, as reported, by the Washington Post article, I cited earlier. He did not finish high school and was being raised by his single parent mother.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 01:29:57 PM
That was an inference, on my part, upon knowing he is being charged, as a minor having an AR-15.
My comments on Rittenhouse' background, is my summary, of his personal profile, as reported, by the Washington Post article, I cited earlier. He did not finish high school and was being raised by his single parent mother.
I was raised by a single parent mother -- living with my mother's mother and father.
I had school teachers, Scout leaders, Jr ROTC instructors, employers, uncles, and church leaders who were all excellent role models for me throughout my life until I went to college.
You make so many unsupported assumptions just to push your narrative, it really is pathetic.
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 01:30:27 PM
Based on your posts, you don't believe anyone has the right to confront a mob which is causing injury, death and destruction. You'd have us become like those other countries without individual liberties and the means to defend ourselves.Is that your opinion, of the situation? That surely is not mine. :shaka:
Is your therapist allowed to see patients during the lockdown? Just curious. :geekdanc:You should know, as we have the same one. :geekdanc:
He said, he is available to see you next week Monday, if you have free time.
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 01:32:12 PM
I was raised by a single parent mother -- living with my mother's mother and father.So do you.
I had school teachers, Scout leaders, Jr ROTC instructors, employers, uncles, and church leaders who were all excellent role models for me throughout my life until I went to college.
You make so many unsupported assumptions just to push your narrative, it really is pathetic.
Are you are saying there is no difference in having a father figure or not?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 01:35:37 PM
Is that your opinion, of the situation? That surely is not mine. :shaka:
You should know, as we have the same one. :geekdanc:
He said, he is available to see you next week Monday, if you have free time.
Your delusions seem to be getting worse.
You should take advantage of home delivery for prescription refills. It appears you may have run out of Lithium.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 01:37:06 PM
So do you.
Are you are saying there is no difference in having a father figure or not?
How do you know Kyle did not have a "father figure?" Another lame assumption?
Are you saying a father in the home is 100% required for a child to have an adult male role model?
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 01:51:09 PM
You can google the rest.
I pretty much went on the plethora of videos.
Just went over the article you posted. More or less mirrors the chain-of-events, I posted earlier, but from a more pro self-defense perspective.
The question now is, why Rittenhouse found himself in the vicinity, of the incident, all alone? Why did he not bail like all the others that were with him, at the gas station? I reported that he was giving an interview, to a reporter, when Rosenbaum arrived, back on the scene. Words were exchanged between both of them. Did Rittenhouse say something to provoke Rosenbaum?
Need more info.
Post by: ren on August 28, 2020, 01:51:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSU9ZvnudFE
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 01:58:00 PM
Just went over the article you posted. More or less mirrors the chain-of-events, I posted earlier, but from a more pro self-defense perspective.
The question now is, why Rittenhouse found himself in the vicinity, of the incident, all alone? Why did he not bail like all the others that were with him, at the gas station? I reported that he was giving an interview, to a reporter, when Rosenbaum arrived, back on the scene. Words were exchanged between both of them. Did Rittenhouse say something to provoke Rosenbaum?
Need more info.
How can a video have a "perspective" other than reality?
Either the event was recorded as it happened, or it wasn't. Saying the videos were "from a more pro self-defense perspective" seems to be your way of dismissing the fact that the video supports a self defense claim.
Hard to face the truth when it flies in the face of your assumptions, cherry picked rumors and beliefs, huh?
Post by: groveler on August 28, 2020, 02:19:55 PM
because none of you are attorneys but Colion Noir isI resisted commenting on this, but your post was probably the sanest one I've seen yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSU9ZvnudFE
The main difference is I would have done is used an AK platform.
Post by: drck1000 on August 28, 2020, 02:37:34 PM
I was raised by a single parent mother -- living with my mother's mother and father.And look at how you turned out. Just fine. . . . ;D
I had school teachers, Scout leaders, Jr ROTC instructors, employers, uncles, and church leaders who were all excellent role models for me throughout my life until I went to college.
You make so many unsupported assumptions just to push your narrative, it really is pathetic.
:rofl:
Sorry, kinda had to. Don't want everyone to be accused of only picking on one (or a few people).
O0
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 02:47:31 PM
And look at how you turned out. Just fine. . . . ;D
:rofl:
Sorry, kinda had to. Don't want everyone to be accused of only picking on one (or a few people).
O0
Opinions vary. :geekdanc:
If I cared what strangers on the Internet think of me, I'd be living off-grid in Montana. :thumbsup:
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 03:33:57 PM
Your delusions seem to be getting worse.
You should take advantage of home delivery for prescription refills. It appears you may have run out of Lithium.
Can't do that, you bought them all, remember?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 03:45:28 PM
Can't do that, you bought them all, remember?
You could have saved yourself hours of typing by just stating:
Kyle Rittenhouse is White.
All Whites are evil.
Therefore, Kyle should be punished.
:crazy:
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 28, 2020, 04:16:50 PM
My take on it from the videos I’ve seen.
He’s on private property when he first gets attacked. And he try’s to run but is cornered on the property and apparently domes the guy. Then runs again around the cars.
Tries to call 911 and the people who come to give the shot guy aid appear to tell him to get the hell out there.
He runs down the street towards the cops, mob chases, gets smacked from behind, trips, then gets stomped, hit with a skateboard in the head and has a gun pulled on him.
He handles his business against the aggressors, gets up and further proceeds to cops and turns himself in. Only they don’t take him.
Not in one video see him act as the aggressor. Not that it’s not out there though and I wasn’t there.
I agree with the above.
But yeah, what happened with the first victim that provoked his attack on this kid ?
Kid seemed mellow in the interview.
On the video, first guy seems to be straight up going after him.
Looks like the first victim had a beef with Rittenhouse. What happened between them that caused the first victim to chase him down and try to nail him with whatever was in that plastic bag. Because it looks like Rittenhouse shot him in self defense. Not because the guy was looting or destructing private property.
The first victim was not a peaceful protester. He was there looking for trouble. I wouldn't be surprised that this guy meant to take Rittenhouse's weapon away. He felt Rittenhouse was an easy prey since it looked like the kid had no back-up.
Well he found out the kid was no push-over. That's my take as to what could have happened.
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 04:17:44 PM
You could have saved yourself hours of typing by just stating:Wow, that sounds so evil..... >:D
Kyle Rittenhouse is White.
All Whites are evil.
Therefore, Kyle should be punished.
:crazy:
Why the racist comments? O0
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 04:19:46 PM
Looks like the first victim had a beef with Rittenhouse. What happened between them that caused the first victim to want chase him down and try to nail him with whatever was in that plastic bag. Because it looks like Rittenhouse shot him in self defense. Not because the guy was looting or destructing private property.
The first victim was not a peaceful protester. He was there looking for trouble. I wouldn't be surprised that this guy meant to take Rittenhouse's weapon away. He felt Rittenhouse was an easy prey since it looked like the kid had no back-up.
Well he found out the kid was no push-over. That's my take as to what could have happened.
That's been my impression -- the mob turned on him because they perceived him to be weak: alone and young. They figured he'd be too scared to do anything. They misjudged him.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 04:21:00 PM
Wow, that sounds so evil..... >:D
Why the racist comments? O0
Not MY comments. You're the racist here.
Post by: drck1000 on August 28, 2020, 04:21:09 PM
Looks like the first victim had a beef with Rittenhouse. What happened between them that caused the first victim to chase him down and try to nail him with whatever was in that plastic bag. Because it looks like Rittenhouse shot him in self defense. Not because the guy was looting or destructing private property.Yup, pretty much. Tough tatted guy now has no right bicep as a reminder.
The first victim was not a peaceful protester. He was there looking for trouble. I wouldn't be surprised that this guy meant to take Rittenhouse's weapon away. He felt Rittenhouse was an easy prey since it looked like the kid had no back-up.
Well he found out the kid was no push-over. That's my take as to what could have happened.
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 04:22:45 PM
The first victim was not a peaceful protester. He was there looking for trouble. I wouldn't be surprised that this guy meant to take Rittenhouse's weapon away. He felt Rittenhouse was an easy prey since it looked like the kid had no back-up.There lies the problem.
Rittenhouse was supposedly, with a group of armed people, according to Colin Noir's video. Moreover, he was supposed to have back-up, on the roofs, on the surrounding buildings.
Where was his buddies, on the ground, and on the rooftops, when Rosenbaum appeared? Why did he end up by himself? Did everyone have the sense to bail and he did not?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 04:23:49 PM
Yup, pretty much. Tough tatted guy now has no right bicep as a reminder.
Maybe he can add a new tat to that arm:
"Under Construction"
:geekdanc:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 04:26:07 PM
There lies the problem.
Rittenhouse was supposedly, with a group of armed people, according to Colin Noir's video. Moreover, he was supposed to have back-up, on the roofs, on the surrounding buildings.
Where was his buddies, on the ground, and on the rooftops, when Rosenbaum appeared? Why did he end up by himself? Did everyone have the sense to bail and he did not?
If his backup was on the rooftops and surrounding buildings, he wasn't by himself.
Still waiting for the whole story. Maybe some of the hits were from his backups' rifles.
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 04:26:10 PM
Not MY comments. You're the racist here.
Childish name calling.
You are no better than the liberals, who accuse Trump, of the same thing.
Trump in 2020 baby!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 04:27:37 PM
Childish name calling.
You are no better than the liberals, who accuse Trump, of the same thing.
Trump in 2020 baby!
Your opinion.
That and $2 still won't buy you a Starbuck's Latte.
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 04:30:12 PM
If his backup was on the rooftops and surrounding buildings, he wasn't by himself.
Still waiting for the whole story. Maybe some of the hits were from his backups' rifles.
Why should we, isn't the video evidence enough? Oh, that's right; the video evidence shows no signs, of his compatriots anywhere.
Why would he run for his life, if his boys got his back, as he stated, on the interview, he gave earlier.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 28, 2020, 04:32:35 PM
Why should we, isn't the video evidence enough? Oh, that's right; the video evidence shows no signs, of his compatriots anywhere.
Why would he run for his life, if his boys got his back, as he stated, on the interview, he gave earlier.
I'll take "Questions that won't be answered before an investigation is done," Alex.
Post by: ren on August 28, 2020, 05:28:09 PM
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 06:41:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPVfrTbNmho
Post by: zippz on August 28, 2020, 07:25:33 PM
(https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/53268/Image1_jpg-1566381.JPG)
Post by: Kuleana on August 28, 2020, 07:33:06 PM
This is a map I created to help place the kid during the nights events. Supposedly the kid drifted too far away from the businesses so was ordered to leave the area because of the curfew. I assume he was headed back to his car when the altercation started. He ran north towards where the defenders were previously, and the police were making a sweep from the north to south along the road. The second shooting occurred south of where the defenders were located so they probably didn't know what was going on.
(https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/53268/Image1_jpg-1566381.JPG)
Excellent map Zippz.
Now, the question is why did Rittenhouse leave the protection, of his compatriots, to venture that far, without a buddy, for support? Did he hear someone crying for help and went alone? So much for his squad, for keeping an eye out, for that youngster.
Post by: zippz on August 28, 2020, 07:58:37 PM
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/08/28/breaking-news/victims-of-shooting-during-kenosha-protests-engaged-teen-gunman/
And glad to see the ACLU finally stepping up
(https://i.imgur.com/nJPTYL7.jpg)
Post by: hvybarrels on August 28, 2020, 08:07:29 PM
Hey guys, I got this thing all wrong. 3 heroes were shot in the incident by a mad gunman.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/08/28/breaking-news/victims-of-shooting-during-kenosha-protests-engaged-teen-gunman/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDr48Bu9BOM
Post by: ren on August 28, 2020, 08:53:45 PM
Post by: GPAGAP on August 29, 2020, 12:45:49 AM
I thought this was a relatively level headed legal analysis of the situation from Colion Noir.
Post by: Glasser on August 29, 2020, 08:19:21 AM
Post by: hvybarrels on August 29, 2020, 09:31:30 AM
Post by: zippz on August 29, 2020, 09:35:32 AM
Fund is estimated to be closing on a half million dollars. The kid's bail alone is $2 million. He has some good attorneys taking on his case.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 29, 2020, 09:51:59 AM
What is interesting is that it was stated that after Kyle shot the first rioter, he called a friend on the phone and said "I just killed somebody". I was wondering if instead of the friend he called 911 and the dispatcher immediately notified the police.
I say this because it was so strange that as he walked toward police with his hands raised, he wasn't apprehended immediately which I gotta admit is strange in itself. Could it be that the police, after interacting with him earlier, knew he wasn't a gun nut and would deal with him later due to the chaos building up ahead in the street.
I dunno, just wanted to mention that. Still trying to figure why the police let him by. It's obvious Kyle was involved with what just happened since he was walking towards them with his hands up.
Very interesting series of events. What happened that night in Kenosha will shape future views of gun control, firearms ownership, and the role (if any) militias have in times of emergency.
Post by: zippz on August 29, 2020, 09:58:25 AM
I say this because it was so strange that as he walked toward police with his hands raised, he wasn't apprehended immediately which I gotta admit is strange in itself. Could it be that the police, after interacting with him earlier, knew he wasn't a gun nut and would deal with him later due to the chaos building up ahead in the street.
I dunno, just wanted to mention that. Still trying to figure why the police let him by. It's obvious Kyle was involved with what just happened since he was walking towards them with his hands up.
Everything happened within a few minutes so the police may not have known about the shootings even if someone called 911. Lots of armed people on the streets so he looked like any other guy.
Post by: drck1000 on August 29, 2020, 10:12:29 AM
Everything happened within a few minutes so the police may not have known about the shootings even if someone called 911. Lots of armed people on the streets so he looked like any other guy.Was discussing this with a “more liberal” HS classmate last night. She was like “do you think the PD response would’ve been different if he was black?”
After some “you really need to read a variety of news sources and not depend on social media memes for news”, she comes back maybe 20 mins later and is like, “I read that police ALLEGEDLY didn’t know that someone had gotten shot yet”. Can tell the bias just from that. But at least she isn’t all judge and jury, like some on this board. Taking what they read and conveying as facts...
Post by: Rocky on August 29, 2020, 10:28:19 AM
https://arges.feralhosting.com/alister/Engagements/shootme.mp4
Post by: hvybarrels on August 29, 2020, 10:29:19 AM
What happened that night in Kenosha will shape future views of gun control, firearms ownership, and the role (if any) militias have in times of emergency.
Very good reason to contribute to the legal defense fund
https://fightback.law/
ar-15.com said they are verified but not a lot of information on the page at the moment, so I am a bit hesitant because the first thing that happens in these situations is all the scammers come out of the closet
Post by: aieahound on August 29, 2020, 11:33:53 AM
Gotta love the BLM supporter pre-headshot
https://arges.feralhosting.com/alister/Engagements/shootme.mp4
More defense material for Rittenhouse.
Post by: toku58 on August 29, 2020, 03:44:06 PM
Gotta love the BLM supporter pre-headshot
https://arges.feralhosting.com/alister/Engagements/shootme.mp4
What “Nigger” was he asking to shoot him? Normally if those words are said by a white person all the black people in the area would have jumped his ass!
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 29, 2020, 03:58:10 PM
Everything happened within a few minutes so the police may not have known about the shootings even if someone called 911. Lots of armed people on the streets so he looked like any other guy.
Yeah, I think I'm overthinking too much. Just so much strange happenings and events that night.
Post by: robtmc on August 29, 2020, 05:22:10 PM
just wowThat is democrats for you..................
Post by: drck1000 on August 29, 2020, 05:38:52 PM
Post by: drck1000 on August 29, 2020, 07:51:49 PM
Saw some stuff in IG about a “SEAL legal team” coming together in Kyle’s defense. Think people are just sick of the lawlessness under the guise of “civil unrest”. Act the fool, pay the fool’s price Mr Rosenbaum.
Post by: drck1000 on August 29, 2020, 09:30:26 PM
Quote
The skateboarder approached with his board in one hand, and with the other, he appeared "to be trying to pull the gun away from the defendant," the complaint said.
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Graham Kates is an investigative reporter covering criminal justice, privacy issues and information security for CBSNews.com.
Think we found the pen name for one of our members. . .
Post by: drck1000 on August 29, 2020, 09:37:01 PM
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An autopsy found that the first victim Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, was shot five times in the right groin, back, left hand, left thigh and right side of his forehead, according to the criminal complaint.
Anthony Huber, 29, died after being shot in the chest. The wound perforated his heart, aorta, pulmonary artery and right lung, according to the complaint.
A third victim, Gaige Grosskreutz, was wounded in one of his arms.
Watching the video, I couldn't tell if Huber got it, but then he sort of turns, stumbles, and collapses. :o
Post by: Rocky on August 30, 2020, 08:31:50 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-first-degree-homicide-charges-jacob-blake-protest-wisconsin/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-first-degree-homicide-charges-jacob-blake-protest-wisconsin/)"cell phone video showed Rosenbaum, who appeared to be unarmed, trailing behind Rittenhouse " :wacko:
Think we found the pen name for one of our members. . .
Looked more like Ritt was running for his life and being chased not "trailed".
Post by: drck1000 on August 30, 2020, 08:46:46 AM
"cell phone video showed Rosenbaum, who appeared to be unarmed, trailing behind Rittenhouse " :wacko:Or Rosenbaum was innocently pursuing with just a skateboard. He was just meaning to have Rittenhouse read the sticker on the bottom of the board as he whacked him with said board.
Looked more like Ritt was running for his life and being chased not "trailed".
Try reading the early reports from WaPo, the sources of choice for many arguing innocence of the “protestors”. The three protestors were innocent and nonviolent, not to be judged based on past actions, but same source is digging up old videos of Rittenhouse as examples of why he should he crucified. How can people not see the hypocrisy? Oh yeah, if you’re so emotionally invested in your delusion and looking for any confirmation.
Post by: aieahound on August 30, 2020, 08:59:10 AM
To paraphrase:”Trump supporter Killed two “unarmed” “protestors” and a volunteer medic. “ :wacko:
Social media is trying to bury anyone or group who is fundraising for his defense.
No mention of bald man rushing him and running after him While throwing what appeared to be a weapon wrapped in a plastic bag at him.
(Or bald man’s prior comment)
No mention of skater dude using his skateboard as a weapon to try to bash Ritt in the head while attempting to grab his weapon.
No mention of volunteer medic drawing a gun and rushing at Ritt with gun drawn.
Thank goodness for Rittenhouse there is so much video of this incident.
P.S.
How come we’re not hearing much about the ProTrump Patriot Prayer supporter who was shot dead in Portland this week ?
Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 30, 2020, 10:39:09 AM
MSM is trying to demonize this kid and silence any voices who suggest otherwise.
To paraphrase:”Trump supporter Killed two “unarmed” “protestors” and a volunteer medic. “ :wacko:
Social media is trying to bury anyone or group who is fundraising for his defense.
No mention of bald man rushing him and running after him While throwing what appeared to be a weapon wrapped in a plastic bag at him.
(Or bald man’s prior comment)
No mention of skater dude using his skateboard as a weapon to try to bash Ritt in the head while attempting to grab his weapon.
No mention of volunteer medic drawing a gun and rushing at Ritt with gun drawn.
Thank goodness for Rittenhouse there is so much video of this incident.
P.S.
How come we’re not hearing much about the ProTrump Patriot Prayer supporter who was shot dead in Portland this week ?
Just like Nick Sandman....and it'll be silent when the knee jerk emotional response is overturned by facts.
just wow
Funny....but photoshopped.
Post by: hvybarrels on August 30, 2020, 12:05:56 PM
https://www.kitv.com/story/42560643/the-26yearold-man-killed-in-kenosha-shooting-tried-to-protect-those-around-him-his-girlfriend-says
Post by: drck1000 on August 30, 2020, 12:17:11 PM
Narrative of CNN-based KITV article is getting destroyed in the comments section. There may be hope for Hawaii yetYeah. Seeing the same/similar in comments on HNN postings as well as “stop this nonsense” comments going up on those who are defending the “three innocent angel protestors” as well as vilifying Rittenhouse. People are starting to see that while racism and police misconduct can’t be tolerated, the violence and rioting is just worse and more are seeing through BS reporting like this.
https://www.kitv.com/story/42560643/the-26yearold-man-killed-in-kenosha-shooting-tried-to-protect-those-around-him-his-girlfriend-says
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 31, 2020, 05:43:50 PM
Post by: zippz on September 02, 2020, 03:04:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0YgYmXndSM
Post by: Glasser on September 03, 2020, 05:59:12 PM
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/huge-court-documents-reveal-shot-kenosha-rioter-joseph-rosenbaum-was-a-convicted-child-rapist/
Post by: hvybarrels on September 03, 2020, 06:29:23 PM
Cops just killed the Portland shooter who put two in the chest of the Trump supporter.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/03/us/michael-reinoehl-arrest-portland-shooting.html
Safest place for Kyle is in jail right now.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 03, 2020, 07:27:52 PM
Oops, Looked away for a second and 2020 did the thing again
Cops just killed the Portland shooter who put two in the chest of the Trump supporter.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/03/us/michael-reinoehl-arrest-portland-shooting.html
Safest place for Kyle is in jail right now.
I guess his contention that he fired in self defense -- that he had no choice -- was a lie. You don't keep running from the police if you believe your actions were legally justified.
Glad the true victim received swift and absolute justice.
Post by: zippz on September 04, 2020, 10:51:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbx50Gsi9g0
https://www.amazon.com/Richard-Jewell-Paul-Walter-Hauser/dp/B082P7351Q
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 01:16:58 PM
Enjoy. :shaka:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQIkHGRUyxQ
Post by: drck1000 on September 05, 2020, 01:59:25 PM
For those that like to bring up the past histories, of the people, Rittenhouse shot, and particularly gloat, in the two men, who met their deaths, at Rittenhouse's naïve hands; here is a little taste, of the true character, of that young boy, who many might want to reconsider calling him a true American hero.True character? Still no felonies like the "angels" like Blake, Huber, and Rosenbaum.
Enjoy. :shaka:
And this was discussed many times already and you're only now bringing this up? Aiyaiyai. . .
See thread on new bias. . .
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 02:07:43 PM
See thread on new bias. . .Where is that?
Post by: drck1000 on September 05, 2020, 02:12:27 PM
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 02:16:23 PM
News bias. Not new bias. My bad.Just went to the Political Discussions Threads, did not see anything, other than the one talking about any unbiased news outlets. ???
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 02:56:38 PM
True character? Still no felonies like the "angels" like Blake, Huber, and Rosenbaum.The men who were shot by Rittenhouse were not heroes, but neither was Rittenhouse.
So, we have a young, untrained in riot control, blue lives matters supporter, who failed, to get accepted, into the US Marines, as well as believes and has been recorded beating up on a girl. Find it hard to believe, his own mother would drive her only son to face the chaos in Kenosha, knowing the immature and unstable mental mindset that her son possessed.
Rittenhouse is not an American hero, more like a young girl-beating coward, who somehow got separated, from his group that night, was way over his head, and choked badly, on decisions that ultimately resulted in causalities. No matter the results, of his trial, his case is definitely not one other 17 year old boys should follow. Amen.
Post by: hvybarrels on September 05, 2020, 03:02:15 PM
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 03:04:12 PM
Are you against equal rights for women? I see someone practicing progressive values.Not at all.
Do you believe in hitting women?
Post by: hvybarrels on September 05, 2020, 03:29:59 PM
Post by: drck1000 on September 05, 2020, 03:42:10 PM
The men who were shot by Rittenhouse were not heroes, but neither was Rittenhouse.You are critical of others when they judge individuals you apparently admire, yet you are judging Rittenhouse. Hypocrisy?
So, we have a young, untrained in riot control, blue lives matters supporter, who failed, to get accepted, into the US Marines, as well as believes and has been recorded beating up on a girl. Find it hard to believe, his own mother would drive her only son to face the chaos in Kenosha, knowing the immature and unstable mental mindset that her son possessed.
Rittenhouse is not an American hero, more like a young girl-beating coward, who somehow got separated, from his group that night, was way over his head, and choked badly, on decisions that ultimately resulted in causalities. No matter the results, of his trial, his case is definitely not one other 17 year old boys should follow. Amen.
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 03:56:16 PM
Why don’t equal rights come with equal lefts?Guilty, as charged; I am an old school believer, of boys not hitting girls.
I wonder how many other people, in this forum, believes in beating up women, as you are apparently alluding?
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 04:02:29 PM
You are critical of others when they judge individuals you apparently admire, yet you are judging Rittenhouse. Hypocrisy?I don't understand your statement.
Other posters share their views, which I have no problem with; but when I make comments, that obviously the group-think does not like, I get attacked and accused, of not being tolerant.
Do I need to share the names, of posters, who not only smear my comments, but make personal attacks to me, to prove this?
Post by: drck1000 on September 05, 2020, 04:05:20 PM
I don't understand your statement.My point wasn't about being tolerant. It was about hypocrisy. Didn't I say that? If not, hypocrisy.
Other posters share their views, which I have no problem with; but when I make comments, that obviously the group-think does not like, I get attacked and accused, of not being tolerant.
Do I need to share the names, of posters, who not only smear my comments, but make personal attacks to me, to prove this?
Regarding group think, can you not just think for yourself?
Names of other posters? Do you need a moderator to help you?
Post by: aieahound on September 05, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
I wonder how many other people, in this forum, believes in beating up women, as you are apparently alluding?
For the record I don’t believe in “beating up women” but I don’t Believe that’s what he was saying. Those are twisted words.
The Boondocks Saints certainly believe in equal rights.
If the girl hits first.
https://youtu.be/J0BjpUhPg9g
Couple questions:
Who on this forum called Rittenhouse a hero?
Think I missed that post.
Have you watched all the videos ?
Or are you still going on media reports?
Post by: drck1000 on September 05, 2020, 05:09:37 PM
The Boondocks Saints certainly believe in equal rights.Hero? Not me. Someone seems to think so.
If the girl hits first.
Couple questions:
Who on this forum called Rittenhouse a hero?
Think I missed that post.
Have you watched all the videos ?
Or are you still going on media reports?
Hit a woman? Generally no, but if they act stupid, "I shake the shit out of 'em".
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 05, 2020, 06:27:46 PM
Watch this interview with a journalist who watched the whole thing transpire.
https://youtu.be/guVcmRut8AY
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 06:28:37 PM
Who on this forum called Rittenhouse a hero?When the preponderance, of the posts, in this thread, speak highly of Rittenhouse, and mentally conducting his trial and proclaiming his innocence, before his actual day in court; it goes without saying the element, of hero worship, is definitely present.
Think I missed that post.
Have you watched all the videos ?I have seen all the videos, except the one where Rittenhouse was beating up a girl and got a public throttling for doing so, just now.
Or are you still going on media reports?
Like I said, his trial will be interesting one, but unlike most posters, I do not see his actions, as patriotic, as do others. I see it, as what the gun grabbers were hoping would happen, and that the young, naïve, and girl-beater, Rittenhouse, was the right person they were waiting for, to be in such a terrifying situation and make a choke decision.
If Rhoads was thwarted this legislative session; thanks to the foolish decisions of Rittenhouse, you can bet Rhoads now has ample ammunition, to return next year, with a vengeance.
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 06:45:34 PM
How ironic that a similar event, where he would again be in a situation facing street justice, would play out, for Rittenhouse, just a short time later?
https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh2Xe67pBygyvrMPAQ
Post by: aieahound on September 05, 2020, 06:58:40 PM
Here is the more or less the complete video, of Rittenhouse jumping into a girl-fight, between his sister and another girl, where he cowardly sneaks-up and launches taking cheap shots, behind Blake's, oops, I meant that girl's back.
https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh2Xe67pBygyvrMPAQ
Rittenhouse got stomped for hitting her. “You don’t put your hands on no female”.
Edit:
Nice edit Kuleana.
Adding those last two sentences after my post.
Shoulda included them originally.
Though I’m not sure I understand the patriotic part or the irony facing street justice parts.
When the preponderance, of the posts, in this thread, speak highly of Rittenhouse, and mentally conducting his trial and proclaiming his innocence, before his actual day in court; it goes without saying the element, of hero worship, is definitely present.
I have seen all the videos, except the one where Rittenhouse was beating up a girl and got a public throttling for doing so, just now.
Like I said, his trial will be interesting one, but unlike most posters, I do not see his actions, as patriotic, as do others. I see it, as what the gun grabbers were hoping would happen, and that the young, naïve, and girl-beater, Rittenhouse, was the right person they were waiting for, to be in such a terrifying situation and make a choke decision.
If Rhoads was thwarted this legislative session; thanks to the foolish decisions of Rittenhouse, you can bet Rhoads now has ample ammunition, to return next year, with a vengeance.
Elements of Hero worship does not go without saying. It’s an incredible leap.
I don’t remember any members saying he was patriotic in his actions either. Or you gonna make another incredible leap of inference ?
Or again, maybe I missed it.
We’re talking about the facts as presented.
Attacked twice, while tryIng to retreat both times, in 2 different locations, and got stuff thrown at him, cornered, gun grabbed, hit in the head with a skateboard and had a gun pulled on him.
Post by: 19pontiac79 on September 05, 2020, 07:19:17 PM
Here is the more or less the complete video, of Rittenhouse jumping into a girl-fight, between his sister and another girl, where he cowardly sneaks-up and launches cheap shots, behind Blake's, oops, I meant that girl's back. It also shows Rittenhouse, receive justice, for his cowardly assault, on that young girl, by real American patriots, who saved that girl's life.
How ironic that a similar event, where he would again be in a situation facing street justice, would play out, for Rittenhouse, just a short time later?
https://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh2Xe67pBygyvrMPAQ
I still don't know what the big deal is? Maybe I'm emotionally bankrupt, Kyle got what he deserved for what he did in that girl fight situation. Those assholes that Kyle shot got what they deserved and was just cashing their karma checks as was floyd, blake, Michael Reinoehl, and any of people like that you have posters of on your bedroom wall. :thumbsup:
Caveat *the last sentence was a joke* gotta let people know now days. Though a mean spirited one :shaka:
I don't know what aaron "jay bishop" danielson's karma check looks like but so far he didn't deserve what happened to him.
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 07:38:11 PM
We’re talking about the facts as presented.I could care less, if Rittenhouse wins or loses his upcoming trial.
Attacked twice, while tryIng to retreat both times, in 2 different locations, and got stuff thrown at him, cornered, gun grabbed, hit in the head with a skateboard and had a gun pulled on him.
The point I am getting at is the fact that young fool's actions does nothing to help those fighting, for the 2nd Amendment. If anything, more gun laws and/or major upcoming 2nd Amendment court decisions may be negatively affected. Furthermore, his actions might result in more young misguided patriotic copy-cats that may not be so lucky, to come away, with their lives, as did Rittenhouse.
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 07:45:16 PM
I still don't know what the big deal is? Maybe I'm emotionally bankrupt, Kyle got what he deserved for what he did in that girl fight situation. Those assholes that Kyle shot got what they deserved and was just cashing their karma checks as was floyd, blake, Michael Reinoehl, and any of people like that you have posters of on your bedroom wall. :thumbsup:I like your joke, but I only have posters, of hot chicks, in my bedroom. :geekdanc:
Caveat *the last sentence was a joke* gotta let people know now days. Though a mean spirited one :shaka:
I don't know what aaron "jay bishop" danielson's karma check looks like but so far he didn't deserve what happened to him.
Post by: macsak on September 05, 2020, 07:47:54 PM
When the preponderance, of the posts, in this thread, speak highly of Rittenhouse, and mentally conducting his trial and proclaiming his innocence, before his actual day in court; it goes without saying the element, of hero worship, is definitely present.
I have seen all the videos, except the one where Rittenhouse was beating up a girl and got a public throttling for doing so, just now.
Like I said, his trial will be interesting one, but unlike most posters, I do not see his actions, as patriotic, as do others. I see it, as what the gun grabbers were hoping would happen, and that the young, naïve, and girl-beater, Rittenhouse, was the right person they were waiting for, to be in such a terrifying situation and make a choke decision.
If Rhoads was thwarted this legislative session; thanks to the foolish decisions of Rittenhouse, you can bet Rhoads now has ample ammunition, to return next year, with a vengeance.
DNFTT
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 05, 2020, 08:04:58 PM
I could care less, if Rittenhouse wins or loses his upcoming trial.
The point I am getting at is the fact that young fool's actions does nothing to help those fighting, for the 2nd Amendment. If anything, more gun laws and/or major upcoming 2nd Amendment court decisions may be negatively affected. Furthermore, his actions might result in more young misguided patriotic copy-cats that may not be so lucky, to come away, with their lives, as did Rittenhouse.
There is no scenario in which a person can defend themselves with a firearm where anti-2A types will change their position.
Pretending otherwise is ignorant -- or stupid.
All of your original arguments have been quashed:
-- He had no business being there
-- He was too young to have that rifle
-- He illegally transported the rifle across state lines
-- He went out looking for trouble
Every one of your false arguments were shot down by the truth about what happened.
Now suddenly his use of a firearm to defend his life hurts "the cause?"
Just give up You aren't defending the 2A if you think defense of one's life is secondary to whether some politician might hypothetically use the event to push some unnamed legislation in the future.
We already have politicians pushing for gun control long before this incident.
Why are you so focused on actual use of a firearm for self defense, and NOT the firearm in the hands of a FELON?
You really make me sick sometimes.
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 08:46:40 PM
All of your original arguments have been quashed:Based on who's investigation or court of inquiry?
-- He had no business being there
-- He was too young to have that rifle
-- He illegally transported the rifle across state lines
-- He went out looking for trouble
Every one of your false arguments were shot down by the truth about what happened.
Yours? :rofl:
Just give up You aren't defending the 2A if you think defense of one's life is secondary to whether some politician might hypothetically use the event to push some unnamed legislation in the future.Says who?
You? :shake:
Why are you so focused on actual use of a firearm for self defense, and NOT the firearm in the hands of a FELON?Your previous statement before above, presumes you can read my mind, so you tell me. :geekdanc:
You really make me sick sometimes.You need some aspirin or Tylenol?
I stocked-up, due to Covid-19. I can drop some off, to your house, if you'd like. :wave:
Post by: hvybarrels on September 05, 2020, 08:48:48 PM
I like your joke, but I only have posters, of hot chicks, in my bedroom. :geekdanc:
Too bad the Chinese kill so many of their baby girls. Maybe you could have met more in real life
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 08:56:55 PM
Too bad the Chinese kill so many of their baby girls. Maybe you could have met more in real lifeI don't understand? Why the fetish with Chinese girls? ???
I like all kinds of women. >:D
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 05, 2020, 09:15:26 PM
I don't understand? Why the fetish with Chinese girls? ???
I like all kinds of women. >:D
I hear you like the trans-girls best of all. :geekdanc:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 05, 2020, 09:30:30 PM
Based on who's investigation or court of inquiry?
Yours?
Says who?
You?
You OBVIOUSLY failed to watch any of the last video I posted. WITNESS ACCOUNT and FACTS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT destroy all of your lies.
Post by: hvybarrels on September 05, 2020, 09:53:03 PM
I don't understand? Why the fetish with Chinese girls? ???
I like all kinds of women. >:D
I am just saying China is one of the world's worst human rights violators. Would you not agree?
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 10:10:03 PM
You OBVIOUSLY failed to watch any of the last video I posted. WITNESS ACCOUNT and FACTS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT destroy all of your lies.Let's wait for the trial. :shaka:
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 10:11:58 PM
I hear you like the trans-girls best of all. :geekdanc:Who told you that?
Your trans-girlfriend? :-*
Post by: Kuleana on September 05, 2020, 10:13:33 PM
I am just saying China is one of the world's worst human rights violators. Would you not agree?They are not the model country for human rights for sure.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 06, 2020, 12:42:48 AM
Let's wait for the trial. :shaka:
You say that NOW, after actual facts have been made available -- not just left-wing anti-self-defense propaganda.
Before, you were more than eager to lynch Rittenhouse for daring to stand up against rioters and defend his own life.
You're so transparent ...
... and pathetic. :sleeping:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 06, 2020, 12:46:29 AM
Who told you that?
Your trans-girlfriend? :-*
You are rather pathetic at coming up with original insults, too.
Post by: ren on September 06, 2020, 07:21:31 AM
Who told you that?
Your trans-girlfriend? :-*
what a misogynist, transphobic comment
Post by: aieahound on September 06, 2020, 08:34:14 AM
what a misogynist, transphobic comment
Which one ? This one ?
I hear you like the trans-girls best of all. :geekdanc:
Because I thought this was a pretty entertaining come back.
Who told you that?
Your trans-girlfriend? :-*
Post by: Kuleana on September 06, 2020, 10:18:48 AM
Which one ? This one ?
Because I thought this was a pretty entertaining come back.
I appreciate your fairness Hound! :shaka:
It goes to show, I like debating issues and don't mind people disagreeing, with my own views. I understand that any strong mind will not be convinced. However, particularly when I present opposing or dissenting views, there is a knee-jerk group think mob that is quick to challenge, make personal attacks, or continue with childish jokes. I love the 1st Amendment, so definitely any poster can say their peace.
What sucks and I am sure newer members are seeing is that there is a double-standard. To those, who are guilty, reveling and enjoying the mud slinging and character assassination, those same individuals childishly don't like it, when I fight back their cyber-bullying, as you just witnessed, in this thread.
Perhaps, may be one, of the reasons, that many new members and veteran members, who do not post, on this forum, is because of the vocal, " you better be parroting, what we think, or else" click, of like-minded individuals. Many of the silent majority probably have their own distinct views, but are not so eager, to post or share them, because of the dog-piling that they will receive, if their points of contention, does not exactly fit the party line.
JMHO.
Post by: drck1000 on September 06, 2020, 10:30:12 AM
Post by: ren on September 06, 2020, 11:37:02 AM
I appreciate your fairness Hound! :shaka:
It goes to show, I like debating issues and don't mind people disagreeing, with my own views. I understand that any strong mind will not be convinced. However, particularly when I present opposing or dissenting views, there is a knee-jerk group think mob that is quick to challenge, make personal attacks, or continue with childish jokes. I love the 1st Amendment, so definitely any poster can say their peace.
What sucks and I am sure newer members are seeing is that there is a double-standard. To those, who are guilty, reveling and enjoying the mud slinging and character assassination, those same individuals childishly don't like it, when I fight back their cyber-bullying, as you just witnessed, in this thread.
Perhaps, may be one, of the reasons, that many new members and veteran members, who do not post, on this forum, is because of the vocal, " you better be parroting, what we think, or else" click, of like-minded individuals. Many of the silent majority probably have their own distinct views, but are not so eager, to post or share them, because of the dog-piling that they will receive, if their points of contention, does not exactly fit the party line.
JMHO.
When you are grasping for rebuttals you continue to fall back into victimhood and accuse people of cyberbullying, racism and all other phobias. You play both sides of the coin when it comes to mud slinging and getting mud. The only relevant threads to you is anything anti American. You don't share anything that is firearms related.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 06, 2020, 01:17:55 PM
When you are grasping for rebuttals you continue to fall back into victimhood and accuse people of cyberbullying, racism and all other phobias. You play both sides of the coin when it comes to mud slinging and getting mud. The only relevant threads to you is anything anti American. You don't share anything that is firearms related.
(https://i.imgur.com/eEG8lUs.png?1)
Post by: aieahound on September 06, 2020, 03:29:41 PM
This thread you haven’t been as bad thankfully.
Although I do have to admit once you do, a bunch of members follow you down the rabbit hole.
Flapp’s always going to insult you.
But remember he has a split personality. He can be very helpful but for some reason he has it in for you. (I can guess the reason with the number of threads you’ve derailed.)
He also has it in for me but like to poke at him for fun when he warrants it.
And I usually let him get the last word otherwise that shit would go on forever.
Just my opinion.
When you are grasping for rebuttals you continue to fall back into victimhood and accuse people of cyberbullying, racism and all other phobias. You play both sides of the coin when it comes to mud slinging and getting mud. The only relevant threads to you is anything anti American. You don't share anything that is firearms related.
Make sure you read that.
No cyber bullying or insults attached.
Post by: zypherdex on September 06, 2020, 04:42:14 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 06, 2020, 08:02:47 PM
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Post by: oldfart on September 06, 2020, 08:21:03 PM
Ahh yes, such an informative and productive discussion we have here==========
Think of it like virtual domestic violence
Post by: Kuleana on September 07, 2020, 10:23:27 AM
Just stop turning basically every thread you touch into an anti-American, illegal overthrow, imperialism, racism rant unrelated to the topic being discussed.To be clear, I was on point discussing the issues regarding Rittenhouse and the following posts below will clearly show, who's posts were instrumental, in taking the discussion off-topic.
First, here is the post that starts it all. By the picture depicted, it is clear that this person was trying to provoke my love, for Hawaii's former monarchs, thereby, starting a string of responses that would derail this thread.
(https://www.bigislandvideonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/2015-09-06statue2.jpg)
Then, you have this post, whose author chose a response, with wording that was similarly provocative.
Your ancestors thought the same way, and that is why you do not have a Kingdom any more.
Here is a cheap personal attack pot shot, from someone that I was not talking to at all.
I thought all cops are bad?
now you want their help?
p-thetic
Likewise, the comment below was the beginning, of the Permatroll's bringing race, into this thread, and kicking this thread's derailment, into high gear.
^^^ the very definition of racists.
Here is another post that had nothing to do, with the topic, but was made to extend the provocation.
It’s a good thing Hawaiian nationals didn’t take things into their own hands, they might’ve stopped the overthrow and we wouldn’t be living in the greatest country on earth.
Another personal attack.
At this point it is clear our in-house CCP “Hawaiian” is either lying or losing grip on sanity and nobody here is buying what he is selling.
The Permatroll putting himself into the argument, just to continue arguing, with me, and further the derailment.
I was raised by a single parent mother -- living with my mother's mother and father.
I had school teachers, Scout leaders, Jr ROTC instructors, employers, uncles, and church leaders who were all excellent role models for me throughout my life until I went to college.
You make so many unsupported assumptions just to push your narrative, it really is pathetic.
More classic provocation, with the obvious goal, to prolong the derailment.
back in the days of 1898
A couple of set-up question made, to preface more personal attacks.
Are you against equal rights for women? I see someone practicing progressive values.
Too bad the Chinese kill so many of their baby girls. Maybe you could have met more in real life
Finally, another personal attack, from the same individual, whose initial post above, was directly responsible, for derailing this thread, at the very beginning.
what a misogynist, transphobic comment
As you can see Hound, by reviewing this thread, from its very first page, I wanted and still do want, to discuss all, of the issues, regarding Rittenhouse's case.
The posts that I made, which had nothing to do with Rittenhouse, were all responses, to the provocations, personal attacks, and childish insults, from those who apparently disagreed, with the positions I took. Instead of debating the issues, they purposely posted things, knowing full-well this Hawaiian will not take such disrespectful treatment, by anyone; and then pointing to the responses I made, in order to blame me, for always derailing threads. Hence, those responsible, for this thread's derailment, thus far, was not me, but due to the provocative posts listed here as well as seen, on the rest, of this thread.
:stopjack:
Post by: ren on September 07, 2020, 10:39:41 AM
These were your posts prior and after my post depicting destruction of public property and you agreeing that police can't be everywhere. If you were there while that statue was being defaced would you have the right to defend it with your firearm? Or would you simply just call the police after the fact?
That boy has no legal authority to protect public property with a firearm.
Where are the police, when you need them?
Post by: Kuleana on September 07, 2020, 10:53:31 AM
You're not depicting the whole argument.Why did you specifically choose the statue of Kamehameha I, to make your point though?
These were your posts prior and after my post depicting destruction of public property and you agreeing that police can't be everywhere. If you were there while that statue was being defaced would you have the right to defend it with your firearm? Or would you simply just call the police after the fact?
You couldn't find any other example less sensitive to all Hawaiians?
Post by: aieahound on September 07, 2020, 11:18:58 AM
So bicep guy is speaking at protest now. He has not been arrested for possessing a glock even though hes a felon. Guess no witnesses to see him holding the glock...oh wait...
Can’t believe he’s not under arrest for assault with a deadly weapon, illegal possession of firearms, etc.
But then again, the guy in Portland who killed the right winger was busted twice for illegally carrying in the few months before he committed the shooting.
Post by: ren on September 07, 2020, 11:29:33 AM
Why did you specifically choose the statue of Kamehameha I, to make your point though?
You couldn't find any other example less sensitive to all Hawaiians?
simple yes or no. Would you defend public property, in this case a statue?
One can argue that Kyle had a similar motivation in the chords of patriotism and nationalism.
Post by: Kuleana on September 07, 2020, 11:52:26 AM
simple yes or no. Would you defend public property, in this case a statue?The answer is no.
One can argue that Kyle had a similar motivation in the chords of patriotism and nationalism.
I do not take the law, into my own hands, and play Judge Dredd, marshalling out jungle justice and deadly force, when dealing, with public property. I believe in calling the authorities and let due process, of the law, take its course.
Rittenhouse is a young naïve, high school dropout, who was disillusioned with thoughts, of patriotic grandeur. Given Rittenhouse's immature and unstable mental nature that forms the basis, of his twisted view and administering his form of justice, as evidenced, in his decision, to commit deadly force, in the assault and battery, of a defenseless unarmed girl, roughly two months prior; I am not buying the arguments, of those, who claim Rittenhouse, as being a brave, totally innocent, cool headed, under extreme stress, young patriot.
Post by: ren on September 07, 2020, 11:54:47 AM
The answer is no.
I do not take the law, into my own hands, and play Judge Dredd, marshalling out jungle justice and deadly force, when dealing, with public property. I believe in calling the authorities and let due process, of the law, take its course.
Rittenhouse is a young naïve, high school dropout, who was disillusioned with thoughts, of patriotic grandeur. Given Rittenhouse's immature and unstable mental nature that forms the basis, of his twisted view and administering his form of justice, as evidenced, in his decision, to commit deadly force, in the assault and battery, of a defenseless unarmed girl, roughly two months prior; I am not buying the arguments, of those, who claim Rittenhouse, as being a brave, totally innocent, cool headed, under extreme stress, young patriot.
OK. Got it. At least you have some trust in the police and you will defer to them in this example.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 07, 2020, 12:00:30 PM
OK. Got it. At least you have some trust in the police and you will defer to them in this example.
The Left always calls the police, expecting the Cops to do their bidding. More often than not, it's because the caller wants to escalate the situation and use the system to wreak havoc in the other party's life.
However, they immediately claim police corruption, misconduct and excessive force if they are ever on the receiving end of a law enforcement encounter.
Watch the videos of ANTIFA and other protestors instigating violence, and then scream for police when their targets defend themselves.
:wacko:
Post by: hvybarrels on September 07, 2020, 12:10:26 PM
First, here is the post that starts it all. By the picture depicted, it is clear that this person was trying to provoke my love, for Hawaii's former monarchs, thereby, starting a string of responses that would derail this thread.
There is 99.9% chance that the sign was defaced by Hawaiians who still feel like they have a blood feud with Kamehameha to this day, which is something a Hawaiian of any political stripe would know and have pointed out already. This is why I suspect you are not really a Hawaiian at all, because your positions are never pro-Hawaiian but always anti-American, like some foreign agent who was too lazy to do their homework and assumes that those two stances are the same thing. Plenty of Native Hawaiians support President Trump. In fact they are the most vocal supporters I have met in this state.
The reason I was asking you about Chinese human rights is because you have previously shown support for the murderous regime in apparent ignorance of their atrocious record, while simultaneously having such an ironically unforgiving attitude toward the United States. Your answer went a little further than I expected, but was not the outright condemnation of anyone in the free world who does not fear having Norincos pointed at their family in the middle of the night (or losing millions billions in sponsorship money, but that is another story).
So when you cry about being an oppressed Hawaiian the evidence does not back it up, other than the fact that it is who you claim to be. We live in a world of spycraft, false flags, and sockpuppets paid to influence people. Even our own Democratic party appears to be sewing the seeds of a full-on military coup backed by big tech censorship and media manipulation. Meanwhile China has been recently caught several times smuggling guns to the lower 48 to arm God knows who. Maybe your goal is to see if there are some angry Hawaiians interested in guns who you can rile up and start an insurrection here. At least that would be kind of exciting.
If not then you are just a whiner who has nothing constructive to talk about, which is rather tedious and boring.
Post by: Kuleana on September 07, 2020, 12:29:52 PM
There is 99.9% chance that the sign was defaced by Hawaiians who still feel like they have a blood feud with Kamehameha to this day, which is something a Hawaiian of any political stripe would know and have pointed out already. This is why I suspect you are not really a Hawaiian at all, because your positions are never pro-Hawaiian but always anti-American, like some foreign agent who was too lazy to do their homework and assumes that those two stances are the same thing. Plenty of Native Hawaiians support President Trump. In fact they are the most vocal supporters I have met in this state.Happy now?
The reason I was asking you about Chinese human rights is because you have previously shown support for the murderous regime in apparent ignorance of their atrocious record, while simultaneously having such an ironically unforgiving attitude toward the United States. Your answer went a little further than I expected, but was not the outright condemnation of anyone in the free world who does not fear having Norincos pointed at their family in the middle of the night (or losing millions billions in sponsorship money, but that is another story).
So when you cry about being an oppressed Hawaiian the evidence does not back it up, other than the fact that it is who you claim to be. We live in a world of spycraft, false flags, and sockpuppets paid to influence people. Even our own Democratic party appears to be sewing the seeds of a full-on military coup backed by big tech censorship and media manipulation. Meanwhile China has been recently caught several times smuggling guns to the lower 48 to arm God knows who. Maybe your goal is to see if there are some angry Hawaiians interested in guns who you can rile up and start an insurrection here. At least that would be kind of exciting.
If not then you are just a whiner who has nothing constructive to talk about, which is rather tedious and boring.
:stopjack:
Post by: aieahound on September 10, 2020, 07:28:46 PM
“ The trouble begins when you start applying the legal rules to someone in Rittenhouse’s situation, namely, someone who has carried an AR-15-style weapon to what is intended to be a peaceful protest. In a commonsense universe, this act itself would appear to be a provocation.”
In an open carry State, according to Bloomberg news publications this is in and of itself a provocation.
Exercising a Right is a provocation because TRIGGERED ! :wtf:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/guns-twist-logic-self-defense-150039814.html
“The trouble begins when you start applying the legal rules......“
WTF are they talking about ?
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 11, 2020, 09:50:28 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sole-survivor-kenosha-protest-shootings-174001087.html
"If I didn't bring my med kit, I wouldnt be alive". Video showed someone else came on scene and applied a TQ that they had on them. Not from his "med kit". And he's still not arrested for possessing a firearm since he's a felon.
Post by: rpoL98 on September 11, 2020, 10:09:40 AM
earlier posting 1 Sept:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNGsixl34MI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNGsixl34MI)
Post by: stangzilla on October 02, 2020, 04:58:27 PM
Post by: aieahound on October 03, 2020, 08:15:16 AM
Post by: Glasser on October 13, 2020, 08:59:30 PM
Joshua Ziminski, 35, has been charged with disorderly conduct and use of a dangerous weapon for firing his weapon during the incident on August 25.
“In another video, the defendant and Kelly are seen walking near a fire in the area of the Ultimate Gas Station lot. In later video, the defendant’s right arm is seen on the video, which is taken near 63rd Street and Sheridan Road, in the City and County of Kenosha, State of Wisconsin. Detective Howard reports the defendant’s arm pointing the gun upward towards the sky,” the document explains. “Detective Howard observed a muzzle flash emit from the handgun, and heard a gunshot at the same time. In another video, the defendant is clearly seen at that same location. The defendant is seen walking in the same area, holding his right arm upwards, and firing off one shot from his handgun. The defendant and his wife are then seen leaving the area. Several other people are in the nearby vicinity when the defendant fires the handgun.”
This strengthens the case that Rittenhouse had reason to fear for his life and was acting in self defense when he shot and killed two rioters.
A New York Times timeline of events of the shooting states, “while Mr. Rittenhouse is being pursued by the group, an unknown gunman fires into the air, though it’s unclear why. The weapon’s muzzle flash appears in footage filmed at the scene.”
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Post by: rpoL98 on October 14, 2020, 09:23:08 PM
Post by: drck1000 on October 15, 2020, 07:52:17 AM
Post by: aieahound on October 25, 2021, 08:39:16 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rittenhouse-back-court-today-prosecutors-125700152.html
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 25, 2021, 08:53:09 PM
“Kyle Rittenhouse’s lawyers can refer to the men he shot as “rioters” and “looters,” but prosecutors still may not call them “victims” at any time during the teen’s upcoming murder trial, a judge ruled Monday.”Refer to as "man who played stupid games"
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rittenhouse-back-court-today-prosecutors-125700152.html
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 25, 2021, 09:03:20 PM
“Kyle Rittenhouse’s lawyers can refer to the men he shot as “rioters” and “looters,” but prosecutors still may not call them “victims” at any time during the teen’s upcoming murder trial, a judge ruled Monday.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rittenhouse-back-court-today-prosecutors-125700152.html
That's actually a surprise to me, it would seem to help the defense and hurt the prosecution in two ways.
I don't fully understand this type of legal ruling though but I know that they try to limit certain words with strong biasing effects. However maybe there is evidence to show the guys who got shot were rioting by the legal definition. Plus if Rittenhouse can make the case he shot in self defense then they weren't really victims.
Either way I am rooting for this kid unless there is some serious evidence that comes out against him. I wonder if this crashes and hopes of becoming a cop later in life.
Post by: MassConfusion on October 26, 2021, 08:32:29 AM
In the end its semantic word games. I would agree that the word victim is a loaded word and the current application of it would be inappropriate. There is a sort of preconceived association of innocence with the individual when calling them a victim.
Post by: drck1000 on October 26, 2021, 08:39:20 AM
I thought the prescient for this sort of thing has already been set. Shouldn't we be referring to them as mutual combatants?Yup
In the end its semantic word games. I would agree that the word victim is a loaded word and the current application of it would be inappropriate. There is a sort of preconceived association of innocence with the individual when calling them a victim.
Victim as associated with innocent
Rioter and looters as associated with trouble makers
I do think it is somewhat semantics. However, in the digital (and social media) age, words matter and can get "stuck" in one's mind.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 26, 2021, 10:00:37 AM
Either way I am rooting for this kid unless there is some serious evidence that comes out against him.
I saw both video's and if there is any serious evidence, it's a fishing trip. Refer to the saying "Name the man and I can find a crime".
It still amazes me had didn't light up the 3rd guy.
Wonder if bicep guy is doing drugs again.
Post by: bass monkey on October 26, 2021, 10:14:03 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 26, 2021, 10:26:18 AM
So is the trial finally going to start?
11/1
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 26, 2021, 11:02:45 AM
But I don't think those men were looters. Rioters? Maybe. But more like thrill seekers and lookie loos. Adventure seekers with nothing more constructive to do with their f**kn lives.
The first guy the kid shot deserved it. He was an asshole. F**kn troublemaker. The second and third guys were the ones trying to be Batman and Robin.
Post by: aieahound on October 26, 2021, 11:38:59 AM
The first guy the kid shot deserved it. He was an asshole. F**kn troublemaker. The second and third guys were the ones trying to be Batman and Robin.
Kinda nutshell.
First guy was aggressor and kinda cornered Rittenhouse.
Second guy smashed him in the head with a skateboard while he was on the ground and tried to grab his weapon.
Third guy pulled a gun on him as he kept approaching.
They’ll get him on minor in possession of a weapon.
The semantics are key though.
Victim way different from rioter.
Edit:
P.S. there is, or were, a crapload of videos showing the shootings from all kinds of angles.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 26, 2021, 12:41:18 PM
Also IIRC, he was allowed by law to posses the AR. Someone can correct if wrong. I'm sure we covered pages ago, but I don't remember.
I would be very surprised if he got a "fair" trial. This should not have even gone to trial, with all the video that there is of the incident and minutes prior to the shootings.
Post by: MassConfusion on October 26, 2021, 01:29:31 PM
Wasn't the first guy (who's a pedo) trying to grab his AR? I'm going by memory.Shades of Derek Chauvin. Although this is a self defense case the quality of the trial will be along those lines. Meaning this is probably going to be more a court of opinion than fact.
Also IIRC, he was allowed by law to posses the AR. Someone can correct if wrong. I'm sure we covered pages ago, but I don't remember.
I would be very surprised if he got a "fair" trial. This should not have even gone to trial, with all the video that there is of the incident and minutes prior to the shootings.
Post by: aieahound on October 26, 2021, 06:38:34 PM
He shot his attackers. Which the video all backs up.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 26, 2021, 06:39:57 PM
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Post by: Brystont1 on October 26, 2021, 07:05:15 PM
Wasn't the first guy (who's a pedo) trying to grab his AR? I'm going by memory.
Also IIRC, he was allowed by law to posses the AR. Someone can correct if wrong. I'm sure we covered pages ago, but I don't remember.
I would be very surprised if he got a "fair" trial. This should not have even gone to trial, with all the video that there is of the incident and minutes prior to the shootings.
I forget the journalists name but he was on Tim pools podcast and stated that he saw the pedo reaching for kyles AR. I believe he’s gonna be a witness in the trial.
Also yes Kyle was legally allowed to possess the weapon. The only thing he will be on the hook for is if they can prove that his buddy straw purchased the AR for him. Apparently Kyle have his buddy money to purchase the weapon for him.
Post by: Brystont1 on October 26, 2021, 07:06:47 PM
And bicep guy still hasnt been charged as a felon with a gun.
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Nah they won’t do that, he tried to stop a white supremacist! They’ll probably wipe his record clean and give him a lifetime conceal carry permit good in all states.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 26, 2021, 07:37:36 PM
Nah they won’t do that, he tried to stop a white supremacist! They’ll probably wipe his record clean and give him a lifetime conceal carry permit good in all states.He was on the news like a savior.
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 26, 2021, 09:07:19 PM
The men the kid shot were not victims in my opinion. So I agree with the judge there.
But I don't think those men were looters. Rioters? Maybe. But more like thrill seekers and lookie loos. Adventure seekers with nothing more constructive to do with their f**kn lives.
The first guy the kid shot deserved it. He was an asshole. F**kn troublemaker. The second and third guys were the ones trying to be Batman and Robin.
It is possible the 2nd and 3rd people thought Rittenhouse was some sort of active shooter in all the chaos but certainly the first guy had no justification in attacking Rittenhouse when he was just trying to put out a dumpster fire.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 26, 2021, 09:10:24 PM
And bicep guy still hasnt been charged as a felon with a gun.
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That could be because they didn't recover the gun in the video.
Could also be that it is difficult to use someone both as a witness and as a suspect at the same time. Prosecutors would want him to testify but if he testifies that could be used against him in his own trial so to clear up that they may have struck a cooperation deal where he doesn't get prosecuted if he cooperates with the trial.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 26, 2021, 09:20:20 PM
It is possible the 2nd and 3rd people thought Rittenhouse was some sort of active shooter in all the chaos but certainly the first guy had no justification in attacking Rittenhouse when he was just trying to put out a dumpster fire.
You said the first guy had no justification.
Is there any scenario in which the 2nd and 3rd assailants' violence could be justified -- I mean legally.
If #1 attacks Kyle, and Kyle is now running down the street, and 2 others join in the chase, what was their justification?
#2 and #3 didn't know why #1 was chasing Kyle. #1 could have told them anything to get them to join him. Becoming a vigilante as part of a 3 person posse without witnessing Kyle do anything wrong will never be justification for #2 & #3..
It was probably the result of mob mentality, where #2 & #3 just followed the leader. No rhyme or reason to their actions. That can't be the justification you speak of.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 26, 2021, 09:22:08 PM
That could be because they didn't recover the gun in the video.
Could also be that it is difficult to use someone both as a witness and as a suspect at the same time. Prosecutors would want him to testify but if he testifies that could be used against him in his own trial so to clear up that they may have struck a cooperation deal where he doesn't get prosecuted if he cooperates with the trial.
It works against the prosecution, though -- to not charge him.
If it appears that "witness" got a walk in exchange for his testimony, his credibility is in question. Is he lying to keep himself out of prison?
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 27, 2021, 06:41:02 AM
Peaceful protest? Yes. By all means.
Any other reason to be out there is wrong. My opinion: All 4 of them had no intentions for peaceful protest.
Post by: drck1000 on October 27, 2021, 06:59:44 AM
Or maybe Bluntman and Chronic. . .
Remind me again. It was Asshole #1 and Skaterboy that didn't survive, but Bicepguy did?
Post by: aletheuo137 on October 27, 2021, 07:06:43 AM
Batman and Robin! :rofl:
Or maybe Bluntman and Chronic. . .
Remind me again. It was Asshole #1 and Skaterboy that didn't survive, but Bicepguy did?
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 27, 2021, 07:29:48 AM
That could be because they didn't recover the gun in the video.He admitted he had a gun IIRC. If not, then im wrong.
Could also be that it is difficult to use someone both as a witness and as a suspect at the same time. Prosecutors would want him to testify but if he testifies that could be used against him in his own trial so to clear up that they may have struck a cooperation deal where he doesn't get prosecuted if he cooperates with the trial.
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Post by: QUIETShooter on October 27, 2021, 10:49:31 AM
Batman and Robin! :rofl:
Or maybe Bluntman and Chronic. . .
Remind me again. It was Asshole #1 and Skaterboy that didn't survive, but Bicepguy did?
I believe so. The Joker (Asshole#1) and Batman (Skaterboy) are no longer productive members of society.
Robin (Bicep guy) is still with us but can't play with his boto anymore......(He can start training the other arm.)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 27, 2021, 02:37:42 PM
Still my opinion that Rittenhouse, asshole #1 and Batman and Robin (#2 and #3) shouldn't have been out there in the first place.
Peaceful protest? Yes. By all means.
Any other reason to be out there is wrong. My opinion: All 4 of them had no intentions for peaceful protest.
I have to disagree. The night before, a 70 year old man was bludgeoned with a rock while he attempted to fight the fire that was set in his business.
Kyle was out to help protect the law abiding business owners who were trying to protect their businesses from looters, vandals and arsonists.
I wish he'd been there to help defend against the person hitting a 70 yr old with a rock.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 27, 2021, 08:07:51 PM
You said the first guy had no justification.
Is there any scenario in which the 2nd and 3rd assailants' violence could be justified -- I mean legally.
If #1 attacks Kyle, and Kyle is now running down the street, and 2 others join in the chase, what was their justification?
#2 and #3 didn't know why #1 was chasing Kyle. #1 could have told them anything to get them to join him. Becoming a vigilante as part of a 3 person posse without witnessing Kyle do anything wrong will never be justification for #2 & #3..
It was probably the result of mob mentality, where #2 & #3 just followed the leader. No rhyme or reason to their actions. That can't be the justification you speak of.
From my recollections, the video pretty clearly shows a justified shooting of the 1st guy.
Now as for #2 and #3, what did they know when they were chasing Rittenhouse? Did they observe what constituted a justifiable self defense shooting or did they hear the gun shot then turn and see someone shot with Rittenhouse running away and people pointing at him? If they didn't see what happened and only heard what people were yelling they may have thought this was a murder suspect trying to escape and tried to be good samaritans. I doubt that is the case but that is the case that #3 could try to make since he survived the shooting. I suspect you are right and that there wasn't a lot of thought but just an instinctual reaction.
The one problem with that angle is that Rittenhouse can't be judged for the misconceptions #2 and #3 had. So even if #2 and #3 were trying to be heroes, Rittenhouse is judged by why he did what he did when he shot them. Rittenhouse couldn't know what they were thinking, couldn't know how much they knew, he only knew that they were attacking him as he was retreating. If #3 were on trial for attacking Rittenhouse then this argument might have more weight.
This kind of touches on the risks of being a good samaritan because you better make sure a crime has occurred and that you are stopping the right person.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 27, 2021, 08:13:39 PM
It works against the prosecution, though -- to not charge him.
If it appears that "witness" got a walk in exchange for his testimony, his credibility is in question. Is he lying to keep himself out of prison?
That is true, but I know that this sort of thing does happen. Flip the small fish to get to the big fish. If your only witness to a murder was a shoplifting suspect you can bet the witness will get some sort of a good plea deal. Not necessarily walking completely but maybe a deferred judgement or something.
Honestly, I don't know how courts deal with the credibility issue that is raised. Maybe they figure the risk of perjury is enough to discourage them from testifying falsely? It is a good question.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 27, 2021, 08:17:27 PM
He admitted he had a gun IIRC. If not, then im wrong.
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Oh, possibly, I cannot recall.
I guess its like asking why the government doesn't arrest everyone smoking a blunt on a video? Maybe (hopefully) we will see something come out later at least giving him some level of consequence for having a gun he isn't supposed to have.
Post by: aieahound on October 27, 2021, 08:25:19 PM
If defense is good, videos clearly show:
- attacker 1 - attacked and cornered Rittenhouse on private property even though he tried to retreat. Justified.
- Mob Rules. Rittenhouse runs down the street toward police.
- Rittenhouse stumbles in street followed by mob.
- attacker 2 cracks him the head with a skateboard while he’s down. Tries to grab his weapon. Justifiably shot.
- attacker 3 draws a weapon and continues to approach. Justifiably shot.
The whole minor is legal to possess because of hunting laws is a slippery slope I’m not sure I’d go down.
Post by: drck1000 on October 28, 2021, 07:08:24 AM
Misconception?
The one problem with that angle is that Rittenhouse can't be judged for the misconceptions #2 and #3 had. So even if #2 and #3 were trying to be heroes, Rittenhouse is judged by why he did what he did when he shot them. Rittenhouse couldn't know what they were thinking, couldn't know how much they knew, he only knew that they were attacking him as he was retreating. If #3 were on trial for attacking Rittenhouse then this argument might have more weight.
SNIP
Assuming you are referring to #2 as SkaterBoy, I think his intention was CLEARLY made when he whacked Rittenhouse with the skateboard. I mean it seems like you are emotionally attached to playing devil's advocate or thought experiments, but to me, that one is pretty clear.
As for BicepGuy, didn't he have a gun and raised it toward Rittenhouse? It's been a LONG time since i watched that, so that is from memory.
Why does charges or judgement of behavior or #3 have anything to do with Rittenhouse. I mean on paper, I get what you're saying. But I am pretty sure that's not how the court of law works. . .
#notanattorneyatheart ;D
Post by: Brystont1 on October 28, 2021, 08:57:23 AM
I watched way too many videos when this happened.
If defense is good, videos clearly show:
- attacker 1 - attacked and cornered Rittenhouse on private property even though he tried to retreat. Justified.
- Mob Rules. Rittenhouse runs down the street toward police.
- Rittenhouse stumbles in street followed by mob.
- attacker 2 cracks him the head with a skateboard while he’s down. Tries to grab his weapon. Justifiably shot.
- attacker 3 draws a weapon and continues to approach. Justifiably shot.
The whole minor is legal to possess because of hunting laws is a slippery slope I’m not sure I’d go down.
Why is it a slippery slope?
Post by: aieahound on October 28, 2021, 09:07:44 AM
At night ?
During a riot ?
Not so sure that helps his case.
I don’t know their exact laws wording though.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 28, 2021, 09:19:50 AM
It was legal for the minor to posses the rifle in public because he was hunting ?
At night ?
During a riot ?
Not so sure that helps his case.
I don’t know their exact laws wording though.
From what I remember, he was legally allowed to posses the rifle. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in previous post. I'm just lazy to look thru them again.
Post by: Rocky on October 28, 2021, 09:37:48 AM
Open carry is allowed in vehicles as long as the firearm is "visible to ordinary observation".
If not a concealed carry permit is needed."
Post by: aieahound on October 28, 2021, 10:17:35 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 28, 2021, 10:22:53 AM
For minors ?
Yes, law applies to SBR's and short barrel shotguns.Rifles OK. Is what his lawyers are arguing. I did a quick google and clicked on the first story. Very limited research.
So if this is true, then that means the state is going after him even though he broke no law. So BS IMO.
A 2nd part to this is about hunting. But the 1st part should be more than sufficient if true.
*edit
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/08/26/wisconsin-open-carry-law-kyle-rittenhouse-legally-have-gun-kenosha-protest-shooting-17-year-old/3444231001/
So unknown.
Post by: aieahound on October 28, 2021, 10:35:12 AM
It’s the most ticky-tack thing they can get him on but might be the only thing so they’ll pursue it.
And good article posted above.
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948.60 Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(1) In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.
(2)
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.
(c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.
(d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183.
(3)
(a) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult. This section does not apply to an adult who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age for use only in target practice under the adult's supervision or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the adult's supervision.
(b) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon in the line of duty. This section does not apply to an adult who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age in the line of duty.
(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.
History: 1987 a. 332; 1991 a. 18, 139; 1993 a. 98; 1995 a. 27, 77; 1997 a. 248; 2001 a. 109; 2005 a. 163; 2011 a. 35.
Sub. (2) (b) does not set a standard for civil liability, and a violation of sub. (2) (b) does not constitute negligence per se. Logarto v. Gustafson, 998 F. Supp. 998 (1998).”
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/948/60
I’ll let you folks decide if it was legal possession.
His friend who gave him the weapon could be more screwed under part 2 (b) and (c)
Part 3 (c) does muddy the water though with reference to 941.28.
https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/941/iii/28
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 28, 2021, 10:46:43 AM
Post by: aieahound on October 28, 2021, 12:29:14 PM
That’s as far I’m going.
Farther than I went before.
Got curious though.
I think reasonably, that’s the only charge they got a chance to win.
Unless he’s a social justice victim.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 28, 2021, 12:31:23 PM
I think reasonably, that’s the only charge they got a chance to win.
Unless he’s a social justice victim.
And it's a misdemeanor, not a felony.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 28, 2021, 08:35:09 PM
Misconception?
Assuming you are referring to #2 as SkaterBoy, I think his intention was CLEARLY made when he whacked Rittenhouse with the skateboard. I mean it seems like you are emotionally attached to playing devil's advocate or thought experiments, but to me, that one is pretty clear.
As for BicepGuy, didn't he have a gun and raised it toward Rittenhouse? It's been a LONG time since i watched that, so that is from memory.
Why does charges or judgement of behavior or #3 have anything to do with Rittenhouse. I mean on paper, I get what you're saying. But I am pretty sure that's not how the court of law works. . .
#notanattorneyatheart ;D
I am thinking through the various arguments and counter arguments that could be made in court. No emotion involved Of course Skaterboy's intentions were clear in the sense that he intended to hit Kyle with a skateboard, but we can only speculate why he was trying to hit Kyle with a skateboard. Was he just angry at Kyle for defending property or did he think Kyle was an active shooter?
I was trying to explain that Bicep dude could claim he was trying to be a good samaritan by trying to stop Kyle but that even if Bicep dude's intentions were noble, his actions are judged on what he knew at the time. I think Bicep dude might try to make the argument but it really doesn't do much to hurt Kyle, it just goes to try to defend his own actions. But Bicep Dude isn't on trial. I think a lot of the people who will watch the trial news might not understand that difference.
There was a video that came out a while ago where someone tackled a man in Walmart who had a gun on his hip. It was clear by the video that the tackler thought he was saving the day from an armed bad guy. Luckily no one got shot but if the guy carrying the gun had fought back and shot the wanna be good samaritan it would have been a justified shooting because all he knows is that someone tackled him and was trying to steal his gun. The noble intentions of the tackler would not matter.
Post by: aieahound on November 02, 2021, 01:53:11 PM
To drive home his point, Richards showed the jury a clip which depicts Rosenbaum taunting others the night of his death.
"Shoot me n---a, shoot me n---a. Bust on me for real," Rosenbaum says in the video.
A little more than a minute later, while referring back to the clip, Richards repeated what Rosenbaum said in the video: "Shoot me n----r. Shoot me n----r."”
Check the click bait headline.
“Kyle Rittenhouse's trial opens with his lawyer repeating the N-word twice in court”
The hard R matters.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kyle-rittenhouses-trial-opens-lawyer-191146944.html
And he shot 3 white guys
Post by: raudi on November 02, 2021, 03:14:14 PM
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-brand-new-footage-of-kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-released?utm_campaign=64492&fbclid=IwAR12zNrNSRhEctPG0qsPyawGgmWxSt1UhyeIidRBP3JkCZHDcLg_rCrvmIE
Post by: MassConfusion on November 02, 2021, 05:57:28 PM
2 Nov, 2021 22:12
‘Sounds about WHITE’: Skin color of Kyle Rittenhouse’s jury triggers Twitter
Kyle Rittenhouse is shown in court on Tuesday in Kenosha, Wisconsin, as opening arguments began in his murder trial. © Reuters / Sean Krajacic
Left-wing Twitter users are enraged that the legal fate of Kyle Rittenhouse – a white teenager who shot three white men in a predominantly white Wisconsin county – will be decided by a jury with only one non-white member.
Controversy over skin color arose after the 12 jurors and eight alternates for Rittenhouse’s murder trial in Kenosha, Wisconsin, were selected on Monday. Media reports indicated that only one member of the 20-person jury group was a “person of color.”
“White supremacy is a hell of a drug,” self-described “Resistance” activist Andrea Junker tweeted on Tuesday.
The Kyle Rittenhouse jury includes only 1 person of color. White supremacy is a hell of a drug.
— Andrea Junker (@Strandjunker) November 2, 2021
Anti-Trump author Majid Padellan was similarly outraged, saying sarcastically, “Sounds about white.”
The Kyle Rittenhouse jury is set, and it includes ONE person of color.Sounds about White.
— BrooklynDad_Defiant! (@mmpadellan) November 2, 2021
Rittenhouse, then 17, was charged with murder and reckless endangerment, among other crimes, after killing two men and injuring a third at an August 2020 Black Lives Matter riot in Kenosha. Lawyers for the teenager have argued that he acted in self-defense after he was attacked while trying to protect lives and property. Prosecutors say Rittenhouse instigated the violence after coming to a protest with an assault rifle.
Both prosecutors and defense lawyers get to disqualify prospective jurors who they think will hurt their cause. Nevertheless, online critics have claimed there was racial bias and conspiracy in the jury selection, with BLM supporter Jack Brown calling its racial makeup a reflection of “white supremacy in America.”
White Supremacy in America: The jury for Kyle Rittenhouse’s double murder and assault with a deadly weapon trial includes only one person of color.
— Dr. Jack Brown (@DrGJackBrown) November 2, 2021
Others pre-judged that Rittenhouse will be wrongly acquitted because of the jurors’ skin color. In fact, some observers have long been making that argument on speculation. Author Magnus Anton said in August 2020, just one day after Rittenhouse was arrested, that the suspect would escape conviction because of race. “This is how justice works in a white supremacy. If you’re a proud white patriot, you get the breaks,” he said.
Rittenhouse and his three alleged victims are all white. Even so, some observers have argued that the Kenosha protests stemmed from a black criminal suspect, Jacob Blake, being shot in the back by a white policeman, so it’s not fair for a white-dominated jury to decide Rittenhouse’s case.
Other observers predicted that there may be more riots if the largely white jury acquits Rittenhouse. “Very telling,” one commenter said of the jury selection. “Kenosha may be seeing more unrest by the time it is all over. Brace yourselves.”
Democrats have been trying to frame the white-on-white Rittenhouse shootings as racist since last year. Even Joe Biden’s 2020 presidential campaign tarred Rittenhouse as a white supremacist, although media outlets have failed to find any indication in the teen’s social media posts or otherwise that would link him to racism.
https://www.rt.com/usa/539211-kyle-rittenhouse-jury-white/
Post by: hvybarrels on November 02, 2021, 07:22:36 PM
https://teamtuckercarlson.com/news/watch-never-before-seen-fbi-footage-of-kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-released/
Apparently the FBI is working under some sort of barely hidden political agenda.
Maybe we should change their acronym to the FIB.
Still no weapons charges on Hunter Biden
Post by: aieahound on November 03, 2021, 12:28:07 PM
Edit: I believe picture is right before handgun guy got shot. Hand gun/bicep guy acted like he had is hands up and kept approaching while drawing his pistol.
Guy in black jacket in back kicked Rittenhouse the head just prior to attack from skateboard guy and retreated which emboldened skateboard guy.
Who can be seen holding his chest post “ Probably shouldn’t have done that”
How I saw it in the videos.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 03, 2021, 12:38:50 PM
Heavy picture
I was amazed at Kyle's discipline at not shooting the guy who put his hands up after he shot skate board guy and bicep guy. With all the stress, that's amazing. Or he was out of ammo.
Post by: aieahound on November 03, 2021, 02:28:25 PM
Post by: drck1000 on November 03, 2021, 02:45:44 PM
I hope his defense emphasizes it because Kyle’s discipline through the whole thing is pretty amazing.That will only matter (or matter more) if those on the jury understand or can appreciate what that means. Similar to civil cases regarding engineering, the average juror won't understand nor appreciate engineering responsibility, due diligence, standard of care, etc. So sort of SOL/moot.
Post by: macsak on November 05, 2021, 12:27:51 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 05, 2021, 12:40:51 PM
That will only matter (or matter more) if those on the jury understand or can appreciate what that means. Similar to civil cases regarding engineering, the average juror won't understand nor appreciate engineering responsibility, due diligence, standard of care, etc. So sort of SOL/moot.
It would also be his attorneys job to emphasis this. 1 guy put his hands up and stopped coming toward Kyle while he was on the ground. Kyle didn't shoot. I didn't watch the entire thing, but I hope this was mentioned in this way.
Post by: drck1000 on November 05, 2021, 12:51:46 PM
It would also be his attorneys job to emphasis this. 1 guy put his hands up and stopped coming toward Kyle while he was on the ground. Kyle didn't shoot. I didn't watch the entire thing, but I hope this was mentioned in this way.True. Depends how defense can communicate/convey. Like how when media was invited to be put through use of force scenarios. Where it was eye opening for them to be put in that situation, where 9/10 they shot first and asked questions later. That coming just days after being critical of LE in worse situations. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 05, 2021, 01:03:34 PM
True. Depends how defense can communicate/convey. Like how when media was invited to be put through use of force scenarios. Where it was eye opening for them to be put in that situation, where 9/10 they shot first and asked questions later. That coming just days after being critical of LE in worse situations. . .
I enjoy those vids. You see the look of "I just messed up" on their faces when shooting someone unarmed.
Post by: drck1000 on November 05, 2021, 02:09:42 PM
I enjoy those vids. You see the look of "I just messed up" on their faces when shooting someone unarmed.“Why did you shoot that man? He was unarmed.”
“He blinked at me!”
Post by: aieahound on November 05, 2021, 02:28:40 PM
“Hesitated “
Then made the right decision.
“And I’d appreciate it if you eased up off my back about it. “
Post by: omnigun on November 06, 2021, 08:09:08 AM
Post by: drck1000 on November 06, 2021, 08:12:13 AM
SNIP“Or do I owe her an apology?”
“Hesitated “
Then made the right decision.
“And I’d appreciate it if you eased up off my back about it. “
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 06, 2021, 06:24:03 PM
That will only matter (or matter more) if those on the jury understand or can appreciate what that means. Similar to civil cases regarding engineering, the average juror won't understand nor appreciate engineering responsibility, due diligence, standard of care, etc. So sort of SOL/moot.
A jury acquitted George Zimmerman of his shooting and arguably Rittenhouse's case for self defense is a stronger one.
Post by: drck1000 on November 08, 2021, 07:39:28 AM
A jury acquitted George Zimmerman of his shooting and arguably Rittenhouse's case for self defense is a stronger one.Ok, so will the same jury from GZ be for Rittenhouse?
I (think) get what you're saying here. My point was depends on the jury makeup and how the defense presents their case. In the end, one can't control who is on the jury. Have seen it so many times in Civil cases where non-engineers will get swayed by emotion and disregard Federal/State/City codes.
Defense Counsel: "Driver was shown by forensics to be traveling in excess of 95 mph when they went through the guardrail. The posted speed limit in that area of the freeway is 45 mph, and well in excess of the 65 mph (or whatever it was) design speed limit per FHWA/DOT/etc. Drivers BAC was also approximately 2x the legal limit."
Jury: "The design of the freeway should have accounted for a drunk driver going over 2x the posted speed limit and 2x legal limit for BAC."
Post by: macsak on November 08, 2021, 08:36:35 AM
Post by: macsak on November 08, 2021, 08:37:14 AM
https://twitter.com/PhilHollowayEsq/status/1457777308073218056
he looks like i do when reading some of the posts on this forum...
Post by: drck1000 on November 08, 2021, 08:48:32 AM
he looks like i do when reading some of the posts on this forum...Need the double :facepalm:
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 08, 2021, 09:03:32 AM
A jury acquitted George Zimmerman of his shooting and arguably Rittenhouse's case for self defense is a stronger one.
GZ should not have gone to trial either. Zero witnesses, and GZ had injuries on his head.
So we are seeing social justice being used to waste tax dollars and ruin peoples lives. Then people like Spike Lee tweet GZ's parents address and the homeowners had to move because of death threats and brick being thrown into their window. Spike had the wrong address. Same last name, but no relation.
Prosecutors don't care because they won't have to pay a dime out of their pockets or have their lives ruined.
Post by: hvybarrels on November 08, 2021, 09:40:38 AM
You can bring an Antifa to court but you can’t make him lie consistently
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rittenhouse-witness-blows-case-prosecution-admits-he-pointed-gun-advanced-first
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 08, 2021, 10:00:44 AM
Star witness just blew the case for the prosecution.
You can bring an Antifa to court but you can’t make him lie consistently
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/rittenhouse-witness-blows-case-prosecution-admits-he-pointed-gun-advanced-first
I remember EEF stating since no gun was recovered, is 1 possible reason why he wasn't charged. It could be a bb gun or fake right? At no time did he state it wasn't real. And the question to him was about him pointing his firearm at Kyle. Also possible, plea deal struck by corrupt prosecutor to not charge him, so he testifies against Kyle later.
Post by: macsak on November 08, 2021, 10:29:57 AM
Post by: ren on November 08, 2021, 10:41:09 AM
https://twitter.com/thevivafrei/status/1457774701673996298
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 08, 2021, 01:56:18 PM
This is the state of our media today. On-the-spot, immediate recordings shared live. That's why the traditional new agencies are struggling.
I love the irony of Bicep Glock Boy sitting down & yelling for a medic after threatening Kyle, who had been offering others medical help. Priceless!!
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 08, 2021, 08:18:47 PM
Ok, so will the same jury from GZ be for Rittenhouse?
I (think) get what you're saying here. My point was depends on the jury makeup and how the defense presents their case. In the end, one can't control who is on the jury. Have seen it so many times in Civil cases where non-engineers will get swayed by emotion and disregard Federal/State/City codes.
Defense Counsel: "Driver was shown by forensics to be traveling in excess of 95 mph when they went through the guardrail. The posted speed limit in that area of the freeway is 45 mph, and well in excess of the 65 mph (or whatever it was) design speed limit per FHWA/DOT/etc. Drivers BAC was also approximately 2x the legal limit."
Jury: "The design of the freeway should have accounted for a drunk driver going over 2x the posted speed limit and 2x legal limit for BAC."
Maybe the Zummerman jury was exceptionally smart and Rittenhouse's jury is fully of idiots, that is always possible. But I am thinking if we assume both are average then Rittenhouse should be ok. Still wouldn't want to be in his position though.
Watching the updates, his attorney's are doing a pretty good job, even got bicep dude to admit he pointed his pistol at Rittenhouse.
I also saw that bicep dude claimed that he thought Rittenhouse was an active shooter which makes sense for him to claim. (Makes him look like the hero and is hard to disprove)
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 08, 2021, 08:23:16 PM
GZ should not have gone to trial either. Zero witnesses, and GZ had injuries on his head.
So we are seeing social justice being used to waste tax dollars and ruin peoples lives. Then people like Spike Lee tweet GZ's parents address and the homeowners had to move because of death threats and brick being thrown into their window. Spike had the wrong address. Same last name, but no relation.
Prosecutors don't care because they won't have to pay a dime out of their pockets or have their lives ruined.
I think prosecutors sometimes fear what would happen if they don't try to take it to trial. This of course isn't a good justification but it is an understandable one.
Hypothetical situation: You are the prosecutor and you think the arrested person is innocent but you know that if you don't file charges there will be a city wide riot with dozens dead. Do you send the accused to trial knowing they may be wrongly convicted but would save lives or refuse on principle and risk an ensuing bloodshed?
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 08, 2021, 08:52:11 PM
I think prosecutors sometimes fear what would happen if they don't try to take it to trial. This of course isn't a good justification but it is an understandable one.Doing whats right isnt hard.
Hypothetical situation: You are the prosecutor and you think the arrested person is innocent but you know that if you don't file charges there will be a city wide riot with dozens dead. Do you send the accused to trial knowing they may be wrongly convicted but would save lives or refuse on principle and risk an ensuing bloodshed?
In ur hypothetical, why not grab 10 random white guys and say theyre KKK, so BLM doesnt riot. Or how about 20? Or 30?
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 08, 2021, 09:20:24 PM
Doing whats right isnt hard.
In ur hypothetical, why not grab 10 random white guys and say theyre KKK, so BLM doesnt riot. Or how about 20? Or 30?
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Depends on how people reason through such things. Some people will, for example, choose the option that will result in the least amount of harm. It makes sense, it is logical on a certain level. Now if you add on top of that a fear or other emotion (like fear of a riot in your own city or losing your job) it is quite understandable why people may choose such a choice. If you could say solidly that 10 people would die if the innocent man wasn't sent to jail, you could logically reason that 10 innocent lives are more valuable than 1 life sent to jail wrongly.
If you are familiar with the trolley dilema, there are versions of that question that kind of touch on that. One such dilemas involved a lynch mob wanting to hang 10 people. You as the sherrif could save 9 of them by lying and saying that you witnessed one of them do the crime but if you tried to stop them from lynching any of them you risked all of them being lynched. The trolley dilema can also be used to analyze torturing people for information, if it provides information that saves lives then it is worth any cost (some would argue).
Personally I strongly believe that it is better that 10 guilty men should go free than a single innocent person be sent to jail but even I can see the temptation to make such a choice.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 08, 2021, 09:40:03 PM
Depends on how people reason through such things. Some people will, for example, choose the option that will result in the least amount of harm. It makes sense, it is logical on a certain level. Now if you add on top of that a fear or other emotion (like fear of a riot in your own city or losing your job) it is quite understandable why people may choose such a choice. If you could say solidly that 10 people would die if the innocent man wasn't sent to jail, you could logically reason that 10 innocent lives are more valuable than 1 life sent to jail wrongly.
If you are familiar with the trolley dilema, there are versions of that question that kind of touch on that. One such dilemas involved a lynch mob wanting to hang 10 people. You as the sherrif could save 9 of them by lying and saying that you witnessed one of them do the crime but if you tried to stop them from lynching any of them you risked all of them being lynched. The trolley dilema can also be used to analyze torturing people for information, if it provides information that saves lives then it is worth any cost (some would argue).
Personally I strongly believe that it is better that 10 guilty men should go free than a single innocent person be sent to jail but even I can see the temptation to make such a choice.
Said another way: would you be more or less likely to negotiate with terrorists or other hostage takers if they threaten you with a dead body every hour unless their demands are met?
An emotional decision would be to save the hostages' lives over not letting the criminals escape.
However, what's to stop the NEXT hostage situation from demanding even more in exchange for lives? Where would it end.
Only if there's a firm adherence to a "no negotiations" policy will the hostage takers get the point -- taking hostages won't get you what you want, and killing innocents will turn public opinion against you. People are smart enough to blame the person pulling the trigger or using the blade vs. blaming government for refusing to negotiate.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 09, 2021, 04:50:24 AM
What a lying sack of excrement!!
He was part of the mob more than he was a free lance paramedic.
What I really think could have helped the defense, but wasn't asked, would have been about the guy's CCW training. The guy tried to dance around the fact he was CC illegally. When asked if he had a CCW permit, he said yes. Then when pressed, he admitted it wasn't valid -- expired. But, he's yet to be charged with carrying an illegal concealed firearm.
What I wish they would have asked is how h e was trained, and whether it's okay to draw a firearm without being threatened with death or injury. He ran up on Rittenhouse with gun in hand, froze when he saw the rifle pointed in his direction (but low), then resumed his advance pointing the G27 in the direction of Rittenhouse's head.
He said he feared he would be shot, so he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse -- who was still on the ground. I don't think he gets who was the aggressor, and who was the defender.
If he'd left the gun in his waistband until he saw Rittenhouse point the gun in his direction, maybe he'd be believable. But when he omits the fact he had a Glock when giving his statement, then refuses to answer questions for a detective and the DA a few weeks later, and got caught in lie after half-truth after omission, that's bad enough. Add to that the fact he hired a CIVIL ATTORNEY the week after the riot, and is suing the state and city for $10M. And he's filed another suit in Federal court.
He also admitted to being affiliated with and speaking at rallies for some revolution group. This guy was looking for trouble, and he found it. He just didn't believe there would be actual consequences.
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 09, 2021, 05:32:29 AM
When you don't do the right thing bad things happen. Like the swamp in Washington DC and politics in Hawaii.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 09, 2021, 07:40:23 AM
Just do the right thing."Be a man, duuuuuu the right thing"
When you don't do the right thing bad things happen. Like the swamp in Washington DC and politics in Hawaii.
Russell Peters
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Post by: Inspector on November 09, 2021, 12:39:42 PM
So, I finished watching Bicep Boy's testimony.
What a lying sack of excrement!!
He was part of the mob more than he was a free lance paramedic.
What I really think could have helped the defense, but wasn't asked, would have been about the guy's CCW training. The guy tried to dance around the fact he was CC illegally. When asked if he had a CCW permit, he said yes. Then when pressed, he admitted it wasn't valid -- expired. But, he's yet to be charged with carrying an illegal concealed firearm.
What I wish they would have asked is how h e was trained, and whether it's okay to draw a firearm without being threatened with death or injury. He ran up on Rittenhouse with gun in hand, froze when he saw the rifle pointed in his direction (but low), then resumed his advance pointing the G27 in the direction of Rittenhouse's head.
He said he feared he would be shot, so he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse -- who was still on the ground. I don't think he gets who was the aggressor, and who was the defender.
If he'd left the gun in his waistband until he saw Rittenhouse point the gun in his direction, maybe he'd be believable. But when he omits the fact he had a Glock when giving his statement, then refuses to answer questions for a detective and the DA a few weeks later, and got caught in lie after half-truth after omission, that's bad enough. Add to that the fact he hired a CIVIL ATTORNEY the week after the riot, and is suing the state and city for $10M. And he's filed another suit in Federal court.
He also admitted to being affiliated with and speaking at rallies for some revolution group. This guy was looking for trouble, and he found it. He just didn't believe there would be actual consequences.
Oops! Prosecution's 'Star' Witness Admits Rittenhouse Didn't Shoot Until He Pointed His Own Gun at Him
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/oops-prosecutions-star-witness-admits-rittenhouse-didnt-shoot-until-he-pointed-his-own-gun-him
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 09, 2021, 12:45:13 PM
Oops! Prosecution's 'Star' Witness Admits Rittenhouse Didn't Shoot Until He Pointed His Own Gun at Him
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/oops-prosecutions-star-witness-admits-rittenhouse-didnt-shoot-until-he-pointed-his-own-gun-him
Bicep Guy was really hard to listen to. His answers were obviously pre-scripted. He gave just enough facts to answer the question in the light he wanted them to be viewed under, but omitted "the whole truth" that, when finally admitted, made much more sense and reversed the situation he tried to portray.
Based on the video, he ran toward the first shots because someone may have been shot, and he wanted to see if they needed medical aid. Only a few seconds later, he did a 180 because a bunch of people were running after Rittenhouse and yelling "Get him! Get his ass! He just shot somebody!" That's when his story became, "I thought he was an active shooter and might hurt someone else." His next "spin" was "I ran toward the defendant, because I saw he was on the ground being kicked and hit, and he might need medical attention." :wtf:
So many inconsistencies, retractions, and bald face lies proven to be false by the videos, photos and other evidence just made me think, "This guy thinks he can get away with lying under oath, just like he's getting away with playing the victim after going after Rittenhouse with a loaded Glock 27."
Yeah, this was the prosecution's "star witness," and he had everyone at the prosecutor's table squirming in their seats and face-palming during the defense cross examination. Their reactions to some of the answers were hilarious. :rofl:
Post by: Inspector on November 09, 2021, 01:07:45 PM
Bicep Guy was really hard to listen to. His answers were obviously pre-scripted. He gave just enough facts to answer the question in the light he wanted them to be viewed under, but omitted "the whole truth" that, when finally admitted, made much more sense and reversed the situation he tried to portray.During my last training class, they made it very clear that you stand a much better chance of surviving a shooting if after you have been threatened with harm you are the first to pull the trigger and make contact with your projectile(s). We were given a few methods on being first. And following up until the threat has been stopped. I train in those methods. I hope I am never in that position but if I ever am put into that position I am confident all my training will pull me through.
Based on the video, he ran toward the first shots because someone may have been shot, and he wanted to see if they needed medical aid. Only a few seconds later, he did a 180 because a bunch of people were running after Rittenhouse and yelling "Get him! Get his ass! He just shot somebody!" That's when his story became, "I thought he was an active shooter and might hurt someone else." His next "spin" was "I ran toward the defendant, because I saw he was on the ground being kicked and hit, and he might need medical attention." :wtf:
So many inconsistencies, retractions, and bald face lies proven to be false by the videos, photos and other evidence just made me think, "This guy thinks he can get away with lying under oath, just like he's getting away with playing the victim after going after Rittenhouse with a loaded Glock 27."
Yeah, this was the prosecution's "star witness," and he had everyone at the prosecutor's table squirming in their seats and face-palming during the defense cross examination. Their reactions to some of the answers were hilarious. :rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 09, 2021, 01:40:26 PM
During my last training class, they made it very clear that you stand a much better chance of surviving a shooting if after you have been threatened with harm you are the first to pull the trigger and make contact with your projectile(s). We were given a few methods on being first. And following up until the threat has been stopped. I train in those methods. I hope I am never in that position but if I ever am put into that position I am confident all my training will pull me through.
Yeah, it's difficult to believe that Bicep Guy ran up on Rittenhouse, saw the rifle pointing in his direction, raised his hands and stopped for a second, then continued advancing with his gun in hand pointing toward Rittenhouse, all because he was trying to "help." At no time did he ask if Rittenhouse needed help, or even try to get the attackers to stop. He was armed and could have easily been able to join Rittenhouse in stopping the attacks.
At one point, he lied to investigators saying he told the skateboard guy to quit hitting Rittenhouse with the board. He must have said it in his mind, because the evidence contradicted him. In fact, the evidence contradicted him so much, I find it hard to believe half of what he claims to remember.
The defense did get a good "jab" in, when they said, "It's striking that you claim the trauma, the surgery and the pain meds caused you to not remember having the gun on you in your statement to police, yet you were able to give accurate details of every other part of your actions that night. Interesting that the only fact that you couldn't seem to remember was that you were armed."
Post by: Inspector on November 09, 2021, 01:49:01 PM
The defense did get a good "jab" in, when they said, "It's striking that you claim the trauma, the surgery and the pain meds caused you to not remember having the gun on you in your statement to police, yet you were able to give accurate details of every other part of your actions that night. Interesting that the only fact that you couldn't seem to remember was that you were armed."The reason he couldn’t remember that he was armed that night was due to the fact he was looking down the barrel of an AR-15 and probably shit himself like Brandon does.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 09, 2021, 01:59:10 PM
Yeah, it's difficult to believe that Bicep Guy ran up on Rittenhouse, saw the rifle pointing in his direction, raised his hands and stopped for a second, then continued advancing with his gun in hand pointing toward Rittenhouse, all because he was trying to "help." At no time did he ask if Rittenhouse needed help, or even try to get the attackers to stop. He was armed and could have easily been able to join Rittenhouse in stopping the attacks.
At one point, he lied to investigators saying he told the skateboard guy to quit hitting Rittenhouse with the board. He must have said it in his mind, because the evidence contradicted him. In fact, the evidence contradicted him so much, I find it hard to believe half of what he claims to remember.
The defense did get a good "jab" in, when they said, "It's striking that you claim the trauma, the surgery and the pain meds caused you to not remember having the gun on you in your statement to police, yet you were able to give accurate details of every other part of your actions that night. Interesting that the only fact that you couldn't seem to remember was that you were armed."
Luckily there's vid that disproves much of what he was saying. If there wasn't any vid, he can claim he wasn't armed and there would be no way to prove otherwise. Basically, this guy is scum and continues to be scum. The problem is the media had his back this entire time, and I'm sure he received enough money financially that he doesn't have to work if he lives a frugal lifestyle.
Post by: aieahound on November 09, 2021, 02:00:15 PM
Pretty good recap though not complete and from The Insider.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-prosecutions-witnesses-kyle-rittenhouse-224336268.html
Posting sequential shots from frames of shooting.
One on approach and one being dis-armed.
Kyle was physically attacked by two and let one with a gun drawn get too close.
(Not counting guy who kicks him the head and ran away.)
So much video….
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 09, 2021, 02:57:57 PM
The Glock is clearly visible in his right hand and pointed in the direction of Rittenhouse's head.
Clear cut case of self defense. If Bicep Boy hadn't continued to advance on Rittenhouse with Glock in hand, but instead took a few steps back, he'd have not been shot. That's clear in the few seconds that BB froze, held his hands up, and was NOT shot.
If someone points a firearm at you, you don't need anyone to tell you what their intentions are.
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Post by: omnigun on November 09, 2021, 03:35:14 PM
Post by: aieahound on November 09, 2021, 03:38:56 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-live-updates-120029165.html
“Grosskreutz was also livestreaming on Facebook and captured the moment he heard the gunshots that killed Rosenbaum. Grosskreutz ran toward the shots and encountered Rittenhouse, running in the opposite direction.
He believed Rittenhouse was an active shooter, he testified. He took his handgun out and said he only intended to use it “if I had to.”
After Rittenhouse shot Anthony Huber, Grosskreutz, a few feet away, put his hands in the air and testified he saw Rittenhouse “re-rack” his rifle. Grosskreutz said he believed Rittenhouse was not “accepting my surrender” and the only way for him to survive was to close the distance with Rittenhouse.
Then Rittenhouse shot him, according to a bystander video shown during the trial.”
Who re-racks their rifle ? ( edit: no jam)
Too many movies ?
Like Flapp said. Guy lies over and over.
But soooo much video……
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 09, 2021, 06:20:38 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 09, 2021, 06:43:31 PM
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 09, 2021, 07:34:20 PM
Said another way: would you be more or less likely to negotiate with terrorists or other hostage takers if they threaten you with a dead body every hour unless their demands are met?
Yup, that would be another example. A tough one for me is when hackers get ransomware on a hospital computer system. Pay the ransom or let the patients suffer?
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An emotional decision would be to save the hostages' lives over not letting the criminals escape.
I wouldn't necessarily say emotional. Could be emotional but also could also just be a different way people prioritize things or reason through a problem.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 09, 2021, 07:42:54 PM
Yeah, it's difficult to believe that Bicep Guy ran up on Rittenhouse, saw the rifle pointing in his direction, raised his hands and stopped for a second, then continued advancing with his gun in hand pointing toward Rittenhouse, all because he was trying to "help." At no time did he ask if Rittenhouse needed help, or even try to get the attackers to stop. He was armed and could have easily been able to join Rittenhouse in stopping the attacks.
At one point, he lied to investigators saying he told the skateboard guy to quit hitting Rittenhouse with the board. He must have said it in his mind, because the evidence contradicted him. In fact, the evidence contradicted him so much, I find it hard to believe half of what he claims to remember.
The defense did get a good "jab" in, when they said, "It's striking that you claim the trauma, the surgery and the pain meds caused you to not remember having the gun on you in your statement to police, yet you were able to give accurate details of every other part of your actions that night. Interesting that the only fact that you couldn't seem to remember was that you were armed."
I figured he would go with this defense. Whether true or not it is the one that paints him in the best possible light. He apparently didn't do the best job presenting it though
Post by: DocMercy on November 10, 2021, 11:39:34 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hMw5Rudlbg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hMw5Rudlbg)
https://www.insider.com/judge-shouts-constitutional-violation-kyle-rittenhouse-prosecutor-2021-11 (https://www.insider.com/judge-shouts-constitutional-violation-kyle-rittenhouse-prosecutor-2021-11)
The law is not perfect, but without law and order, society will devolve into chaos.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 10, 2021, 12:17:28 PM
The prosecution is getting desperate, and the judgeremandedreprimanded them.
The law is not perfect, but without law and order, society will devolve into chaos.
FIFY :shaka:
Lead Prosecutor Binger has been (IMO) far from flawless in his presentation of his case against Rittenhouse. He's pushed the envelope of plausible and often crossed the line into lying, telling narratives that the video evidence and HIS OWN STAR WITNESS contradicted.
He deserves to have his ass handed to him by the judge, and I'd have to say Judge Schroeder has been very good throughout the trial. If I'm ever on trial for murder, I want someone like him to preside.
The defense team has a diplomat and an attack dog. Great combination. The attack dog gets his objections on the record passionately and forcefully, while the softer-spoken diplomat gets the judge and jury to listen to his presentations without coming across as abrasive or arrogant.
If the jury finds him guilty, I think the prosecution committed enough fumbles he'll have a dozen or more issues to use as grounds for an appeal.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 10, 2021, 12:22:15 PM
If the jury finds him guilty, I think the prosecution committed enough fumbles he'll have a dozen or more issues to use as grounds for an appeal.
If they did this, then it would be not because of evidence/facts, but emotion. Like why this even went to trial due to emotion based prosecutor.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 10, 2021, 12:26:02 PM
If they did this, then it would be not because of evidence/facts, but emotion. Like why this even went to trial due to emotion based prosecutor.
If the jury convicts on the shooting, excluding whatever they decide on the other charges like being underage carrying a firearm and so on, the defense will likely make a motion for a directed verdict. In that case, the judge can decide if the jury convicted based on, or in spite of, the law. If he thinks the jury ignored the law, he can set their verdict aside and issue a directed verdict.
We'll see. That scenario is very possible, given the threats made to the jury and the community if Rittenhouse is not convicted.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 11, 2021, 01:04:52 AM
Post by: Inspector on November 11, 2021, 06:15:07 AM
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2021/11/10/ghoulish-joy-guest-dismiss-rittenhouse-tears-call-him-white
Post by: Inspector on November 11, 2021, 06:34:42 AM
https://thegreggjarrett.com/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-a-case-of-self-defense-that-was-only-charged-because-the-woke-mob-demanded-it/
Post by: macsak on November 11, 2021, 07:48:17 AM
Post by: macsak on November 11, 2021, 07:48:49 AM
Post by: drck1000 on November 11, 2021, 08:00:48 AM
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1458791008578142209The replies are just like on HNN :popcorn:
Post by: Inspector on November 11, 2021, 08:17:28 AM
The replies are just like on HNN :popcorn:“LeCry” and “LeCry Baby” :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: ren on November 11, 2021, 08:19:32 AM
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1458791008578142209
Lebron James - 小皇帝 "The Little Emperor"
A play on the English "King James" that is also a slang term for a "spoiled only child" under China's "One Child Policy"
Post by: omnigun on November 11, 2021, 08:40:03 AM
Kyle Rittenhouse Trial: A Case of Self-Defense That Was Only Charged Because The “Woke” Mob Demanded It
https://thegreggjarrett.com/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-a-case-of-self-defense-that-was-only-charged-because-the-woke-mob-demanded-it/
I agree. Though the weapons charges are legit. Everything else was self defense.
Post by: drck1000 on November 11, 2021, 09:54:03 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 11, 2021, 02:19:44 PM
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Post by: aieahound on November 11, 2021, 02:43:04 PM
BULLSH..!
But sadly, maybe it can….
Many many low information voters…many many low information jurors.
Post by: ren on November 11, 2021, 03:01:31 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 11, 2021, 03:20:17 PM
I am doomed by judge and jury.
Playing “Call of Duty” or any first person shooting game can and will be used against you in a court of law.
BULLSH..!
But sadly, maybe it can….
Many many low information voters…many many low information jurors.
Post by: Inspector on November 11, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
I play solitaire. 😢
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 11, 2021, 03:24:57 PM
I play Super Mario Bros.Only if u shoot a turtle
I am doomed by judge and jury.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on November 11, 2021, 03:25:10 PM
I got it worse than all of you.Psycho.
I play solitaire.
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Post by: Inspector on November 11, 2021, 03:26:19 PM
Psycho.That’s Loner Psycho to you! 😝
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Post by: aieahound on November 11, 2021, 03:30:32 PM
That’s scary.
Unless it’s like the Sandy Hook crazy who reportedly holed up playing this stuff then went out and did it.
Then, maybe.
This particular incident has SO much video.
Defense should have requested directed verdict when prosecution rested their case.
Just said “Yeah. They pretty much proved our case.”
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 11, 2021, 03:44:29 PM
Do you guys think the jury would actually hear this and take it into consideration ?They blamed people like marilyn manson for columbine. History repeating.
That’s scary.
Unless it’s like the Sandy Hook crazy who reportedly holed up playing this stuff then went out and did it.
Then, maybe.
This particular incident has SO much video.
Defense should have requested directed verdict when prosecution rested their case.
Just said “Yeah. They pretty much proved our case.”
But manson is a boss. His reply was basically POTUS bombs thousands and he thinks potus would have more influence than he does. But he is flattered that they think he has more influence.
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Post by: MassConfusion on November 11, 2021, 09:51:53 PM
https://uafreport.com/theoneadmin/breaking-kyle-rittenhouses-defense-attorneys-call-for-mistrial-with-prejudice/
BREAKING: Kyle Rittenhouse’s Defense Attorneys Call For Mistrial With Prejudice
The Kyle Rittenhouse defense team has asked for a mistrial with prejudice, which means he cannot be tried again for the same crimes, making the argument that the Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger acted in bad faith during the trial and accused him of engaging in prosecutorial misconduct.
Binger told Judge Bruce Schroeder, the presiding judge, that he made his arguments in good faith. To that, the judge said I don’t believe you.” Yikes!
The judge told the defense that he will take their motion under advisement.
At this point, many people think the prosecutor is throwing the case because he doesn’t believe Rittenhouse should have ever been charged in the first place. There is no evidence that the young man did anything but protect himself in self defense.
Earlier in the day, the judge blasted Binger by yelling at him over his line of questioning to Rittenhouse for his use of his AR-15.
When the judge asked the jury to leave the room, Judge Schroeder reprimanded Binger for trying to make an issue out of Rittenhouse’s post-arrest silence. The judge pointed out that a defendant’s right to remain silent after arrest goes back decades.
The defense team let Rittenhouse take the stand on Wednesday. Many people thought that was a huge mistake.
Kyle Rittenhouse is charged with two counts of homicide, one count of attempted homicide, illegal possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18, and recklessly endangering safety.
So much weirdness took place during this trial so far. At one point, the prosecutor began talking about the intricacies of hollow point bullets in an effort to make it appear that Rittenhouse used hollow points for evil intentions, making no sense at all.
When Rittenhouse was 17-years-old, he and a friend said they traveled to Kenosha, Wisconsin, from Illinois, to help protect businesses there and to give medical aid after businesses were looted and set on fire for two days. This was done by the animals that the Democrats running the city did nothing to stop.
His defense team argued repeatedly that Rittenhouse was acting in self defense and fired his rifle only because he was being chased and was faced with a gun.
The prosecution tried to make Rittenhouse out as some yokel who instigated the events that took place on the night in question. He even tried to make a point stick that the young man was the only person who shot someone during that night of unrest. That was probably because he was the only one who was being threatened with a gun.
It was when the prosecutor was questioning Rittenhouse about an incident with his gun that his attorney Mark Richards objected and warned that he was going to ask for a mistrial with prejudice over Binger’s line of questioning. That line of questioning was over a previous incident that the judge had already barred the prosecution from using.
“Rittenhouse can allegedly be heard in a video saying he wished he had his AR-15 so he could fire rounds at people he believed were shoplifting,” reported Fox News.
The judge scolded Binger telling him that he should have come to the court before he went down that line of questioning.
“You should have come and asked!” Schroder shouted angrily.
The prosecutor argued back that “the court had left the door open.”
“For me—not you!” Schroeder shouted back.
That’s when the judge chastised Binger for trying to discredit Rittenhouse for utilizing his 5th Amendment right to remain silent after the shootings.
“You are already… I was astonished when you began your examination by commenting on the defendant’s—silence,” the judge roared. “That’s basic law, it’s been basic law in this country for 40 to 50 years, I have no idea why you would do something like that!” He added, “I don’t know what you’re up to!”
The judge was beside himself over the level of misconduct by a prosecutor.
Binger told the judge that he believed his questioning was germane to what happened during the night of the shootings.
The judge wasn’t buying it and stood by his decision to not allow the prosecution to bring it up in court.
“Even if you’re correct in your assumption that you know more than I did at the time, you should have come to the court and said, ‘I want to go into this,’” Schroeder said.
“This trial has now officially gone too far for a second trial. This is THE trial. It would be unfair to the defendant to have a second trial when we are this close to a jury verdict.”
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 07:15:37 AM
Do you guys think the jury would actually hear this and take it into consideration ?IMO, it's folks who live in a world of delusion, where they were coddled growing up. Beliving they are always right, good, winner, etc and that delusion becomes their reality. . .
That’s scary.
Unless it’s like the Sandy Hook crazy who reportedly holed up playing this stuff then went out and did it.
Then, maybe.
This particular incident has SO much video.
Defense should have requested directed verdict when prosecution rested their case.
Just said “Yeah. They pretty much proved our case.”
Post by: Inspector on November 12, 2021, 07:25:08 AM
IMO, it's folks who live in a world of delusion, where they were coddled growing up. Beliving they are always right, good, winner, etc and that delusion becomes their reality. . .Good thing we don’t know anyone like that. :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 07:30:21 AM
Good thing we don’t know anyone like that. :rofl:I actually know many folks like that. Just that I don't waste my time on them. At least the uneducated can be helpful given just a little effort. O0
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 07:52:07 AM
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Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 08:25:15 AM
Labron saying kyle is fake crying. This coming from the guy who fake cries when the wind blows hard and then he flops.Cramps are real, bruh. . .
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He's such a puss. Not really an NBA fan, but I loved watching MJ back in the day. When folks say Bron is a goat, pffft. . .
Post by: powerlessbump on November 12, 2021, 08:35:04 AM
Do you guys think the jury would actually hear this and take it into consideration ?
That’s scary.
Unless it’s like the Sandy Hook crazy who reportedly holed up playing this stuff then went out and did it.
Then, maybe.
This particular incident has SO much video.
Defense should have requested directed verdict when prosecution rested their case.
Just said “Yeah. They pretty much proved our case.”
Google says the average age of a juror is 49.4 and cites https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/675257 which was published in 2014.
Quick math tells me that a completely average juror born in 1970 would be around 23 when the original Doom (1993) came out or 33 when the first Call of Duty (2003) came out. I think it's more than likely that this narrative against video games is still prevalent in 2021 because it still makes sense to lots of people, hence why they use it in court as well as in mainstream entertainment like Law And Order. Prosecutors wouldn't play the card if they didn't have the jury makeup to consider it.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
― George Carlin
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
Google says the average age of a juror is 49.4 and cites https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/675257 which was published in 2014.
Quick math tells me that a completely average juror born in 1970 would be around 23 when the original Doom (1993) came out or 33 when the first Call of Duty (2003) came out. I think it's more than likely that this narrative against video games is still prevalent in 2021 because it still makes sense to lots of people, hence why they use it in court as well as in mainstream entertainment like Law And Order. Prosecutors wouldn't play the card if they didn't have the jury makeup to consider it.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”
― George Carlin
Many years ago , I spoke to a public defender (friend) and he said the show CSI screwed a lot of people who should have been guilty. Because since CSI came out, DNA is always asked for. But to test for DNA is very expensive. So 1 tactic he would use is "where's the DNA evidence?". And immediately everyone on the jury knew what that is and its relevance. Plus add in DNA analyst takes time to complete. Which the state won't pay to be done just for simple stuff.
He ended up quitting as a public defender because he hated his job. He would also get hate mail from prisons for cases he lost and would often have cum stains on them.
What is interesting is the Marilyn Manson thing was shown on Michael Moores film Bowling for Columbine. I think also video games like DOOM were also blamed. I would like to re-watch it because now I have a better understanding of the 2nd amendment, but at the same time, I don't want to support Moore.
He also made a good film SICKO that talks about free healthcare. So to see him suffer from TDS is mind boggling because it seems if anything his 2 films are more conservative than liberal.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 09:34:56 AM
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 09:37:16 AM
Since the states case holds zero merit and they constantly look dumb, the fake news is now targeting the judge. Which is the MO of how the fake news works. Their first stories of Rittenhouse are being shown to be false on a wide scale now, so they have to redirect. Those who are in the know, knew the medias stories of Kyle are wrong. Those who are not in so smart, are clueless.???
:rofl:
Post by: Inspector on November 12, 2021, 09:41:42 AM
Many years ago , I spoke to a public defender (friend) and he said the show CSI screwed a lot of people who should have been guilty. Because since CSI came out, DNA is always asked for. But to test for DNA is very expensive. So 1 tactic he would use is "where's the DNA evidence?". And immediately everyone on the jury knew what that is and its relevance. Plus add in DNA analyst takes time to complete. Which the state won't pay to be done just for simple stuff.Michael Moore might be a far leftist Hollywood type. But he is smart enough to know that Trump was winning against Hilary and that the Dems better wake up and smell the coffee otherwise Trump was going to win. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
He ended up quitting as a public defender because he hated his job. He would also get hate mail from prisons for cases he lost and would often have cum stains on them.
What is interesting is the Marilyn Manson thing was shown on Michael Moores film Bowling for Columbine. I think also video games like DOOM were also blamed. I would like to re-watch it because now I have a better understanding of the 2nd amendment, but at the same time, I don't want to support Moore.
He also made a good film SICKO that talks about free healthcare. So to see him suffer from TDS is mind boggling because it seems if anything his 2 films are more conservative than liberal.
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 09:44:46 AM
Michael Moore might be a far leftist Hollywood type. But he is smart enough to know that Trump was winning against Hilary and that the Dems better wake up and smell the coffee otherwise Trump was going to win. Gotta give credit where credit is due.Don't you still owe me $5?
Oh, that's not that kind of credit, huh? :rofl:
Post by: Inspector on November 12, 2021, 10:02:52 AM
Don't you still owe me $5?I’ll pay ya the 5 I owe you when you buy me the beer you owe me! :rofl:
Oh, that's not that kind of credit, huh? :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 10:10:16 AM
I’ll pay ya the 5 I owe you when you buy me the beer you owe me! :rofl:touche ;D
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 12, 2021, 10:58:02 AM
On TV, he's now contradicting his testimony -- that he never pointed his gun at Rittenhouse.
I guess we should believe him, since he only lied about a dozen times on the stand, not to mention lying to the police by omitting the fact he even had a gun when shot.
Still waiting for the DA to charge him for illegally concealing a firearm.
I guess if I was suing for $10M and my own testimony destroyed my case, I'd go on TV and try to do damage control, too. :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: Inspector on November 12, 2021, 12:06:01 PM
https://bongino.com/tulsi-gabbard-defends-kyle-rittenhouse-slams-antifa-loving-politicians
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 12:22:12 PM
Tulsi Gabbard Defends Kyle Rittenhouse, Slams “Antifa-Loving Politicians”
https://bongino.com/tulsi-gabbard-defends-kyle-rittenhouse-slams-antifa-loving-politicians
Besides her anti 2a stance, she actually has the kahone's to speak up when things aren't right. Even though she runs as a DNC'er.
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 12, 2021, 12:31:45 PM
Besides her anti 2a stance, she actually has the kahone's to speak up when things aren't right. Even though she runs as a DNC'er.
I agree. I respect her despite my disagreement on some of her political stances. I admire people who don't just blindly go in lockstep with the political agenda of any particular party.
The swamp is the reason she can't get more support as a viable political candidate.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 12, 2021, 12:47:20 PM
The prosecutor (Face Palm Man) is do the arguing for the state. He's not only annoying, but his arguments have no substance. He keeps saying crap like "A reasonable jury would think" and "a jury would not find otherwise" as if those are fact-based arguments.
The judge is running rings around him on what the charges are.
What I really find scary and stupid is that the state is basically negotiating on what the charges should be based on testimony and evidence presented. That sounds like they are working in reverse. The state already filed the charges. Since when do they get to revise the charges at the end of the trial?
I'd think the charges have to be supported by the evidence or BE WITHDRAWN, not negotiated to a lesser charge before the jury decides the case.
Seems like a messed up process. The DA could charge the worst crimes, then negotiate for lesser charges in all cases. If we look at the Deedy trials, the prosecutor keeps lowering the charges to try and convict. They weren't negotiating with the judge to change the charges after the trials started.
I'm so confused!!
Post by: ren on November 12, 2021, 12:50:58 PM
Tulsi Gabbard Defends Kyle Rittenhouse, Slams “Antifa-Loving Politicians”
https://bongino.com/tulsi-gabbard-defends-kyle-rittenhouse-slams-antifa-loving-politicians
She looks good in red.... :-* :love:
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 12:56:59 PM
She looks good in red.... :-* :love:Ok, so who would Ren "hit":
A) AOC
B) Tulsi
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 12:59:48 PM
Ok, so who would Ren "hit":
A) AOC
B) Tulsi
C)Both
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 01:03:07 PM
I'm listening to the lawyers discuss the jury instructions with the judge.
The prosecutor (Face Palm Man) is do the arguing for the state. He's not only annoying, but his arguments have no substance. He keeps saying crap like "A reasonable jury would think" and "a jury would not find otherwise" as if those are fact-based arguments.
The judge is running rings around him on what the charges are.
What I really find scary and stupid is that the state is basically negotiating on what the charges should be based on testimony and evidence presented. That sounds like they are working in reverse. The state already filed the charges. Since when do they get to revise the charges at the end of the trial?
I'd think the charges have to be supported by the evidence or BE WITHDRAWN, not negotiated to a lesser charge before the jury decides the case.
Seems like a messed up process. The DA could charge the worst crimes, then negotiate for lesser charges in all cases. If we look at the Deedy trials, the prosecutor keeps lowering the charges to try and convict. They weren't negotiating with the judge to change the charges after the trials started.
I'm so confused!!
Like Deedy, this too should also have never gone to trial. But ethics is always lacking. As in not bending to social pressure, but doing what is right. Was a law broken, the answer for both is no. Especially since both have video.
What does amaze me is the ability for Deedy's people to bury the case. I got friends in the mainland who never heard of what happened. Which makes you wonder, how often does stuff like this happen, we just don't hear about it. That is unless you live in the city where it took place.
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 01:06:03 PM
C)BothI was gonna put C) Pelosi in there. Get Inspector's juices flowing. :love: :oops: :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 01:06:47 PM
Like Deedy, this too should also have never gone to trial. But ethics is always lacking. As in not bending to social pressure, but doing what is right. Was a law broken, the answer for both is no. Especially since both have video.He's probably in "Siberia". . .
What does amaze me is the ability for Deedy's people to bury the case. I got friends in the mainland who never heard of what happened. Which makes you wonder, how often does stuff like this happen, we just don't hear about it. That is unless you live in the city where it took place.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 01:11:07 PM
He's probably in "Siberia". . .
https://www.civilbeat.org/2021/07/court-federal-agent-christopher-deedy-could-face-a-third-trial/
Looks like the ball is in Alm's court. Either trial for assault or let it go. Which is what Flapp mentioned about a lesser and lesser and lesser charge.
Post by: Inspector on November 12, 2021, 01:14:28 PM
I'm listening to the lawyers discuss the jury instructions with the judge.Bongino had an interesting take on the prosecutor today. His take is that the prosecutor is trying to have the case thrown out. The thing that the judge admonished him for is a basic piece of law that a beginning lawyer knows better than to say/do. He thought that the prosecutor knows he can’t win. Knows he does not have a case. And he is human like the rest of us. He does not want a case in the loss column considering how high visibility this case is. He is making stupid errors hoping the judge will throw it out on prosecutorial misconduct. That way he doesn’t get a check in the loss column. Doesn’t look good on the resume. But if it is going to the jury then his career is toast.
The prosecutor (Face Palm Man) is do the arguing for the state. He's not only annoying, but his arguments have no substance. He keeps saying crap like "A reasonable jury would think" and "a jury would not find otherwise" as if those are fact-based arguments.
The judge is running rings around him on what the charges are.
What I really find scary and stupid is that the state is basically negotiating on what the charges should be based on testimony and evidence presented. That sounds like they are working in reverse. The state already filed the charges. Since when do they get to revise the charges at the end of the trial?
I'd think the charges have to be supported by the evidence or BE WITHDRAWN, not negotiated to a lesser charge before the jury decides the case.
Seems like a messed up process. The DA could charge the worst crimes, then negotiate for lesser charges in all cases. If we look at the Deedy trials, the prosecutor keeps lowering the charges to try and convict. They weren't negotiating with the judge to change the charges after the trials started.
I'm so confused!!
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 01:18:57 PM
Bongino had an interesting take on the prosecutor today. His take is that the prosecutor is trying to have the case thrown out. The thing that the judge admonished him for is a basic piece of law that a beginning lawyer knows better than to say/do. He thought that the prosecutor knows he can’t win. Knows he does not have a case. And he is human like the rest of us. He does not want a case in the loss column considering how high visibility this case is. He is making stupid errors hoping the judge will throw it out on prosecutorial misconduct. That way he doesn’t get a check in the loss column. Doesn’t look good on the resume. But if it is going to the jury then his career is toast.
Ethics comes into play again. Are state prosecutors assigned to a case allowed to speak up and state the above? Which means they will refuse to take the case on.
Or instead of wasting all this time, just keep it short and simple. After like 1 question, prosecution rest, "I have no more questions your honor".
Post by: macsak on November 12, 2021, 01:33:42 PM
C)Bothren would- at the same time
Post by: aieahound on November 12, 2021, 02:19:30 PM
Pretty good article on the spin and how it might effect the post verdict civic action.
From USA Today no less.
Plenty people only get the spin.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 04:32:55 PM
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Post by: aieahound on November 12, 2021, 04:36:24 PM
I thought that would be the only count they’d convict him of.
Post by: Heavies on November 12, 2021, 04:42:10 PM
Post by: Inspector on November 12, 2021, 04:46:40 PM
So judge ruled kyle is allowed to carry a rifle at age 17. So theres that...That weapons charge down. I think that was the only one. I think everything else are self defense charges. Oh and the curfew charge.
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Post by: Inspector on November 12, 2021, 04:54:53 PM
Still waiting on charges for the convicted felon in possession of a handgun.....Sorry B, don’t think that is going to happen. I hope it does, but I doubt it.
This case was brought forth by corrupt people to satisfy corrupt people. They don’t care about the real crime here.
Post by: Heavies on November 12, 2021, 04:55:50 PM
Sorry B, don’t think that is going to happen. I hope it does, but I doubt it.
This case was brought forth by corrupt people to satisfy corrupt people. They don’t care about the real crime here.
Yep. :(
Post by: Brystont1 on November 12, 2021, 05:34:54 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 12, 2021, 06:14:12 PM
That weapons charge down. I think that was the only one. I think everything else are self defense charges. Oh and the curfew charge.
The curfew charge was dropped on Tuesday.
Quote
After the prosecution rested its case against Rittenhouse, the defense argued thehttps://dailycaller.com/2021/11/09/judge-dismisses-curfew-charge-against-kyle-rittenhouse/
prosecution had not provided any evidence a curfew had been in place, to which
Judge Bruce Schroeder agreed.
Yet another fumble by the prosecutor.
The weapons charge is still being sent to the jury, unless something changed after what I watched. The judge opened the door for an almost automatic dismissal unless the prosecution shows evidence the barrel of the AR-15 was shorter than 16".
The prosecution tried to pull another fast one, saying that the defense did not introduce evidence that the barrel length was at least 16". The judge agreed with the defense that one witness testified that the gun, including the length of the barrel, was not in any way illegal and it did conform to firearms laws. While not explicitly stating the length numerically, it was a tacit statement of fact that the length must be at least 16".
The judge told the prosecution that the burden of proof lies with them. If they want to convict on the weapon's charge, then they have to argue against the exclusionary portion of that law: that the defendant had a short barrel rifle or shotgun. Since they were remiss in presenting that evidence at trial, they can't require the defense to refute it.
Their argument was (1) here's what the law says, (2) one thing that can negate the exclusions is for the firearm to be illegal...specifically to be an SBR, and (3) since the defendant is the one charged under that law, it's up to him to prove the gun is not an SBR in order to establish the exclusion to the law. Guilty unless you prove yourself innocent, even though there's no evidence it's an SBR. :crazy:
Therefore, the instruction to the jury will pretty much be tailored to the effect that Rittenhouse's age of 17 is not an issue under the law, because he falls under two exceptions. Unless the prosecution can prove the exceptions don't apply, then he should be found not guilty of that weapons charge.
Even the judge said the firearm law he was charged under was ambiguous at best, and contradictory at worst. He spent hours outside of court trying to interpret that law, as he said the prosecutor obviously had too. If learned lawyers and judges are struggling with it, then how can they expect the layman of average intelligence and education to be able to? If ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking them, then they better be written so that the general public can understand them.
Listening to the prosecution was painful as they trudged through the jury instructions. The prosecution is trying to nail Jello to the wall, and so far almost nothing is sticking.
https://news.yahoo.com/judge-opens-path-jury-clear-003306793.html
Post by: aletheuo137 on November 12, 2021, 07:21:06 PM
Still waiting on charges for the convicted felon in possession of a handgun.....I wouldn't hold my breath!
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 12, 2021, 08:46:16 PM
I wouldn't hold my breath!
My guess is, the DA is waiting to see the outcome of the Rittenhouse trial. They don't want to be accused of malicious prosecution. Bicep Boy is suing the state and city for $10M, and he's filed a Federal lawsuit. If the DA doesn't have his ducks in a row better than he did during this trial, it could be argued they only charged the liar as retaliation for the lawsuits.
Once the current trial is over, and the transcript is official, everything Bicep Boy said on the stand is admissible in his own trial -- especially as it relates to "I didn't remember I had my gun," "I never told the police I was armed at the protest," "I later told the police I was armed but dropped my pistol," and "I never mentioned in my lawsuits that I was armed." I think the DA may be looking at perjury and obstruction charges on top of illegally carrying a concealed firearm, brandishing, aggravated assault, attempted homicide and anything else the evidence from this trial supports. They ought to be pissed at him for torpedoing their case against Rittenhouse, not that they needed any help doing that themselves! :rofl:
He changed the reason he was running behind Rittenhouse from, "I was just following the crowd," to "I thought Rittenhouse might be an active shooter," and finally, "I was going to HELP Rittenhouse, because it looked like he was being attacked while on the ground."
Long live the revolution! Right!! :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 08:59:18 PM
HPs expand, not segment.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 12, 2021, 09:05:07 PM
Also prosecution states HP heads explode. Which would be illegal in HI if they did that. HRS mentions segments upon impact. So no RIPP rounds.
HPs expand, not segment.
The judge actually called out Binger for that.
"Did you mean 'exploded,' or 'expanded?"
Binger then asked Rittenhouse to explain what hollow points do, and what would happen if he shot a deer with it.
Kyle said, "I wouldn't use hollow points to shoot a deer.' :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: GENIUS!!
From the stuff they rehashed today, it sounded like they finally figured out that the ammo Kyle had loaded was not HP, but FMJ ball ammo. Totally dismantled Binger's trip toward, "You used hollow points because they make killing someone easier, didn't you?" So, they then argued having ammo that DIDN'T cause more damage would possibly pass through anyone he shot at, showing he was not concerned with the people behind his target.
Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 09:15:08 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 12, 2021, 09:26:14 PM
Of course a prosecutor would never tell you if he were to throw a case. The case is being presented so awfully I could almost consider that it is on purpose at this point.
It may be that he is losing so badly he is trying to cause a mistrial and try again... Anything is possible I suppose
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 12, 2021, 09:28:20 PM
Playing “Call of Duty” or any first person shooting game can and will be used against you in a court of law.
BULLSH..!
But sadly, maybe it can….
Many many low information voters…many many low information jurors.
I laughed when he proudly said Rittenhouse had 300 confirmed kills, what a fricken idiot.
#1 Bitch, hold my beer, 300 is in one evening.
#2 No one says "confirmed kills" in call of duty... as if there are unconfirmed kills or something LOL
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 09:36:16 PM
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Post by: Inspector on November 13, 2021, 01:27:49 AM
Post by: Inspector on November 13, 2021, 06:52:56 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 13, 2021, 08:18:03 AM
1 for dui and 1 for refusal of sobriety test.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on November 13, 2021, 09:44:12 AM
All logic is out the window. This is what happens when the prosecution is corrupt and the fake news tries to make a story.
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Post by: aieahound on November 13, 2021, 11:50:08 AM
If they go on the evidence, there’s a good possibility of civil unrest.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 13, 2021, 11:53:33 AM
Now the judge is receiving threats and being called kkk and stuff like that.
All logic is out the window. This is what happens when the prosecution is corrupt and the fake news tries to make a story.
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The news coverage has been blatantly bad, at least from the big talking punidts on TV
Post by: aieahound on November 13, 2021, 05:26:14 PM
Prosecutors crash and burn in Kyle Rittenhouse case, but polarized America doesn't see it
Jonathan Turley
Thu, November 11, 2021, 8:14 PM
The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse increasingly seems like a legal version of the parable of the blind men and the elephant. By only touching discrete parts of the animal, the men describe vastly different animals. In coverage of this trial, one would think that there were parallel trials occurring in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
One consensus however is emerging: Things are not going well for the prosecution.
But the reason for this developing failure depends greatly on what media you are watching other than the trial itself. It is either the product of systemic errors or systemic racism.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/prosecutors-crash-burn-kyle-rittenhouse-235048941.html
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 13, 2021, 07:08:27 PM
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Post by: drck1000 on November 13, 2021, 08:35:06 PM
The news coverage has been blatantly bad, at least from the big talking punidts on TVNah. No media bias…
Post by: macsak on November 13, 2021, 09:30:07 PM
WI NG being activated.
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Post by: Brystont1 on November 13, 2021, 09:52:51 PM
National Guard got put on alert according to reports.
If they go on the evidence, there’s a good possibility of civil unrest.
Ironically had the NG been activated the first time we wouldn’t even be discussing this.
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 14, 2021, 07:47:39 AM
Ironically had the NG been activated the first time we wouldn’t even be discussing this.
Very true. Trump demanded the states shut down and control these riots that were spiraling out of control otherwise he will step in and do it. Trump was concerned for the private citizens caught up in the crossfire.
The puke ass people in charge of their state defied Trumps demands, probably because Trump's demands made sense but of course ANYTHING coming out of orange man's mouth is bad.
These puke ass people would rather defy orange man than protect their law-abiding citizens caught in the violence.
Post by: macsak on November 14, 2021, 12:21:27 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 14, 2021, 03:13:18 PM
https://twitter.com/sarahbeth345/status/1459929733777534983
The Left is really upset at the Rittenhouse trial judge, because he's not acting like a judge. He's interpreting the law as written, and not in the way that's favorable to the prosecution. That's how judges HAVE to act if the Liberal Leftists are to gain/retain power.
Post by: Inspector on November 15, 2021, 02:14:38 AM
Rittenhouse Trial: Jury Instructions on Gun Charge? A Gun Conviction Looks Unlikely
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-jury-instructions-on-gun-charge-conviction-looks-unlikely/
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 15, 2021, 03:57:49 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/wqJgW07.gif)
... of the Prosecution's evidence presented at trial.
O0 :geekdanc:
Post by: Inspector on November 15, 2021, 06:43:14 AM
Post by: drck1000 on November 15, 2021, 07:46:04 AM
Enjoy!bazinga
So, closing arguments today (maybe tomorrow too, assuming they use up the full 5 hrs each).
I wonder how things will go for Bicep Guy moving forward. . .
Post by: ren on November 15, 2021, 07:47:31 AM
“
Prosecutors crash and burn in Kyle Rittenhouse case, but polarized America doesn't see it
Jonathan Turley
Thu, November 11, 2021, 8:14 PM
The trial of Kyle Rittenhouse increasingly seems like a legal version of the parable of the blind men and the elephant. By only touching discrete parts of the animal, the men describe vastly different animals. In coverage of this trial, one would think that there were parallel trials occurring in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
One consensus however is emerging: Things are not going well for the prosecution.
But the reason for this developing failure depends greatly on what media you are watching other than the trial itself. It is either the product of systemic errors or systemic racism.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/prosecutors-crash-burn-kyle-rittenhouse-235048941.html
Anything can happen. We have a shitting President who barely knows where he is and what he is doing.
The manipulated masses see a person who took the law into his own hands and don't believe in self-defence - they think that belongs to the police and govt. the same organizations they claim are racist and unjust. :crazy:
Post by: aletheuo137 on November 15, 2021, 09:29:03 AM
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Post by: Inspector on November 15, 2021, 09:33:47 AM
😂 😂 😂
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Post by: aletheuo137 on November 15, 2021, 12:35:42 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/kenosha-prosecutor-thomas-binger-raises-rittenhouses-firearm-points-people-courtroom-finger-trigger/
Closing arguments began Monday morning in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger said Rittenhouse “provoked other people” simply because he was carrying a firearm in his closing argument to the court Monday.
After lecturing Rittenhouse on gun safety, Binger raised Rittenhouse’s firearm and pointed it at people in the courtroom with his finger on the trigger.
Insane.
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Post by: aieahound on November 15, 2021, 12:44:27 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 15, 2021, 12:45:07 PM
Kenosha Prosecutor Thomas Binger Raises Rittenhouse’s Firearm, Points it at People in Courtroom with Finger on TriggerAnd bolt closed.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/kenosha-prosecutor-thomas-binger-raises-rittenhouses-firearm-points-people-courtroom-finger-trigger/
Closing arguments began Monday morning in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger said Rittenhouse “provoked other people” simply because he was carrying a firearm in his closing argument to the court Monday.
After lecturing Rittenhouse on gun safety, Binger raised Rittenhouse’s firearm and pointed it at people in the courtroom with his finger on the trigger.
Insane.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 15, 2021, 12:50:51 PM
#LostWhileInEvidence
Post by: drck1000 on November 15, 2021, 12:52:31 PM
Kenosha Prosecutor Thomas Binger Raises Rittenhouse’s Firearm, Points it at People in Courtroom with Finger on TriggerWhat. . . the. .. FCUK!!!
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/kenosha-prosecutor-thomas-binger-raises-rittenhouses-firearm-points-people-courtroom-finger-trigger/
Closing arguments began Monday morning in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger said Rittenhouse “provoked other people” simply because he was carrying a firearm in his closing argument to the court Monday.
After lecturing Rittenhouse on gun safety, Binger raised Rittenhouse’s firearm and pointed it at people in the courtroom with his finger on the trigger.
Insane.
SNIP
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If I was in the courtroom, I would've shouted a WTF!!! Cite me, but that's effing crazy!
They should charge that effer!
Post by: drck1000 on November 15, 2021, 12:53:10 PM
And bolt closed.No kidding. . . lack of awarness and respect for firearms. . .
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Post by: drck1000 on November 15, 2021, 12:54:12 PM
Kyle's gun must have had some sweet (i.e. expensive) sights! :thumbsup:Meh. . . where's our (former) resident "I can shoot just as good w/o sights"?
#LostWhileInEvidence
:rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 15, 2021, 01:13:30 PM
Kyle's gun must have had some sweet (i.e. expensive) sights! :thumbsup:
#LostWhileInEvidence
That specific model doesn't come with a front sight (DPMS IIRC). What happened to the cheap $40 rear sight, probably got lost in evidence.
*edit
Googled and looks like no rear sight too that it comes with. But he did have an optic on it. So someone got a new optic.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 15, 2021, 01:16:17 PM
No kidding. . . lack of awarness and respect for firearms. . .
At gun shows, I see ARs with a zip tie running through the ejection port then down out the magwell. Keeps the bolt from seating when forward.
I guess all those Cops handling the evidence don't have much experience with guns and gun safety. If they simply used a chamber flag, it would make a world of difference as they pass the gun from person to person.
Pointing at the jury? Who taught him about guns? Alec Baldwin? :shake:
Post by: Inspector on November 15, 2021, 01:20:42 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 15, 2021, 01:21:16 PM
That specific model doesn't come with a front sight (DPMS IIRC). What happened to the cheap $40 rear sight, probably got lost in evidence.
According to Rittenhouse and Dominick Black, the one who bought the rifle for him, Kyle took the gun out shooting on occasion. I have to imagine that would have demonstrated a need for some kind of sights or optics, because he probably missed more than he landed on target.
If Kyle didn't see a need for BUIS or an optic in Kenosha, that's a problem. He should not have been carrying a rifle to defend others & their property if he had no means of accurately aiming it.
Just saying.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 15, 2021, 01:24:35 PM
He should be sanctioned for not following the basic tenets of gun safety. >:(
In some jurisdictions, simply pointing a gun at someone, loaded or unloaded, is assault. The other person doesn't know the gun is unloaded, with or without a magazine being visible.
But, like most Liberals in higher office or as members of the media, nothing will happen.
Post by: aieahound on November 15, 2021, 01:28:21 PM
At the ranges he was at, he didn’t need it.
They were commin’ in hot.
Re. attorney:
That would’ve scared the crap out of me.
Good thing nobody rushed him, proving “provocation”.
Would’ve been kinda funny though if the gallery noticed and rushed him….
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 15, 2021, 01:34:23 PM
The weapon had an optic. Now it's not there. Functionally, it's not the same rifle as it was on the night in question.
Same as showing the jury any item that's been changed/modified from when it was recovered. It makes identification by witnesses harder if nothing else.
Imagine if the defense checks the rifle and discovers the serial number doesn't match Kyle's rifle.... The prosecution was having people testify about a different gun, which could toss out a lot of testimony. :geekdanc:
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EDITED ****
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Okay, so now I'm thinking .... maybe Kyle removed the optic himself before turning himself in. He had the weapon for a long time before going to his local police station. Maybe he or someone else decided they shouldn't risk a nice optic getting lost or damaged while in police custody. Maybe the optic wasn't even his? He could have borrowed it, and wanted to give it back to the owner.
If I were the prosecutor, I would have raised and answered that question at trial, just to make sure everything they knew about the weapon was presented to the jury no matter how much or little it impacted the events.
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Post by: macsak on November 15, 2021, 01:39:37 PM
but i cannot see how that would be considering it's a murder case...
Post by: aieahound on November 15, 2021, 01:41:48 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rittenhouse-judge-dismisses-underage-weapons-charge-in-murder-trial-182449573.html
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 15, 2021, 01:44:41 PM
Looks like I’m eatin’ crow on the underage possession charge.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rittenhouse-judge-dismisses-underage-weapons-charge-in-murder-trial-182449573.html
At least you can admit it.
Post by: macsak on November 15, 2021, 01:46:34 PM
At least you can admit it.
still not wrong...
Post by: hvybarrels on November 15, 2021, 03:04:40 PM
Kenosha Prosecutor Thomas Binger Raises Rittenhouse’s Firearm, Points it at People in Courtroom with Finger on Trigger
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/kenosha-prosecutor-thomas-binger-raises-rittenhouses-firearm-points-people-courtroom-finger-trigger/
Closing arguments began Monday morning in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger said Rittenhouse “provoked other people” simply because he was carrying a firearm in his closing argument to the court Monday.
After lecturing Rittenhouse on gun safety, Binger raised Rittenhouse’s firearm and pointed it at people in the courtroom with his finger on the trigger.
Insane.
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At least Chris Lee only used finger guns when attempting to terrify his colleagues during the last mag ban hearing.
Post by: drck1000 on November 15, 2021, 03:17:38 PM
Looks like I’m eatin’ crow on the underage possession charge.And. . . how does it taste? Need any mustard? ;D
SNIP
Just talkin' $hit. I wasn't really following the discussion. :rofl:
Post by: astroboy on November 15, 2021, 03:26:05 PM
At least Chris Lee only used finger guns when attempting to terrify his colleagues during the last mag ban hearing.
I liked the comment: Wow Who does Binger think he is, Alec Baldwin?
Post by: Inspector on November 16, 2021, 05:41:08 AM
Post by: aletheuo137 on November 16, 2021, 06:30:41 AM
Enjoy!Are they the puppet masters?
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Post by: Inspector on November 16, 2021, 06:36:31 AM
Are they the puppet masters?It’s from a TV show where one guy is challenged to do whatever the other 3 guys tell him to do. He has an earpiece so they can tell him what to do real-time. They make a bet so if he doesn’t do what they say he owes them the bet. But if he succeeds then they pay him. They really try and make him do and say some really outrageous things.
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Post by: aletheuo137 on November 16, 2021, 06:45:26 AM
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/thomas-binger-closing-ritteenhouse-trial
Kenosha Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger presented his closing arguments on Monday, where Binger pointed a gun at the jury with his finger on the trigger. This was after he claimed you have no right to self-defense if your gun is bigger than the one someone is about to shoot you with.
It was another example of Binger not exhibiting knowledge of how the law works. It makes an observer wonder how he became the lead prosecutor in such an important case. It turns out that his boss, who would normally take the lead, knew the case was a losing one. He needed to dump it off on someone. That someone was Thomas Binger.
According to the Daily Mail, who brought us the unhinged threats against Judge Schroeder, Kenosha district attorney Mike Graveley is a "superstar" with a rising political career. Normally, the DA would have taken a case of this magnitude. The rub is, Graveley viewed this case as a "losing proposition." Losing this case would be sure to tarnish his reputation. So Graveley, quote, "pawned the case off to his unfortunate assistant district attorney."
Daily Mail also had an interesting note about Binger. That thing he does where he ignores the law and/or pretends not to know who the law is or how it works? That's his style. According to Kevin Mathewson, a criminal defense investigator and former Kenosha City alderman, Binger has "said things in court that have been ruled out of order, but once they have been said, you can't unring that bell."
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Post by: Inspector on November 16, 2021, 06:49:20 AM
REPORT: KENOSHA DA KNEW RITTENHOUSE TRIAL WAS A LOSER, THAT'S WHY THEY DUMPED IT ON THOMAS BINGERWow! I gave too much credit to the prosecutor. I thought he was a smart man who knew he was going to lose so he was trying to get the case thrown out. But I guess it turns out now that the prosecutor is really just that stupid. :rofl:
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/thomas-binger-closing-ritteenhouse-trial
Kenosha Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger presented his closing arguments on Monday, where Binger pointed a gun at the jury with his finger on the trigger. This was after he claimed you have no right to self-defense if your gun is bigger than the one someone is about to shoot you with.
It was another example of Binger not exhibiting knowledge of how the law works. It makes an observer wonder how he became the lead prosecutor in such an important case. It turns out that his boss, who would normally take the lead, knew the case was a losing one. He needed to dump it off on someone. That someone was Thomas Binger.
According to the Daily Mail, who brought us the unhinged threats against Judge Schroeder, Kenosha district attorney Mike Graveley is a "superstar" with a rising political career. Normally, the DA would have taken a case of this magnitude. The rub is, Graveley viewed this case as a "losing proposition." Losing this case would be sure to tarnish his reputation. So Graveley, quote, "pawned the case off to his unfortunate assistant district attorney."
Daily Mail also had an interesting note about Binger. That thing he does where he ignores the law and/or pretends not to know who the law is or how it works? That's his style. According to Kevin Mathewson, a criminal defense investigator and former Kenosha City alderman, Binger has "said things in court that have been ruled out of order, but once they have been said, you can't unring that bell."
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Post by: changemyoil66 on November 16, 2021, 07:08:05 AM
It’s from a TV show where one guy is challenged to do whatever the other 3 guys tell him to do. He has an earpiece so they can tell him what to do real-time. They make a bet so if he doesn’t do what they say he owes them the bet. But if he succeeds then they pay him. They really try and make him do and say some really outrageous things.We enjoy this show. Theres a guy at my gym who looks like Mur, but a yok3d version.
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Post by: RSN172 on November 16, 2021, 07:18:54 AM
Just predicting the future.
Post by: Inspector on November 16, 2021, 07:20:18 AM
Verdict is in! Not Guilty.Damn man, you had me going there for a sec!!!! :rofl:
Just predicting the future.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 16, 2021, 08:33:34 AM
Damn man, you had me going there for a sec!!!! :rofl:
I got a hard on too.
Post by: macsak on November 16, 2021, 09:01:12 AM
I got a hard on too.
how could you tell?
Post by: oldfart on November 16, 2021, 09:08:39 AM
how could you tell?:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 16, 2021, 09:12:51 AM
how could you tell?
It grew to 4/16.
Post by: macsak on November 16, 2021, 10:32:48 AM
It grew to 4/16.
heads
Post by: Inspector on November 16, 2021, 11:48:52 AM
headsObviously you have seen it….
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 16, 2021, 11:52:32 AM
Obviously you have seen it….
Felt it rub up against him during a skill builder while shadowing me.
Post by: Inspector on November 16, 2021, 11:57:50 AM
https://jonathanturley.org/2021/11/16/facebook-and-politifact-under-fire-for-fact-check-on-rittenhouse-gun-charge/
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 16, 2021, 12:10:24 PM
Facebook and Politifact are Under Fire for Fact Check on Rittenhouse Gun Charge
https://jonathanturley.org/2021/11/16/facebook-and-politifact-under-fire-for-fact-check-on-rittenhouse-gun-charge/
They need to change the phrase "fact check" when used by FB or like organizations to "we feel like this is wrong, thus we are deeming it so, and want to control the narrative".
Post by: Inspector on November 16, 2021, 12:15:13 PM
They need to change the phrase "fact check" when used by FB or like organizations to "we feel like this is wrong, thus we are deeming it so, and want to control the narrative".Does that sound familiar? :rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 16, 2021, 12:50:01 PM
MINISTRY OF INFORMATION
* For those too young to remember or burned out those brain cells, this was
"Baghdad Bob," who provided Iraq-biased propaganda almost nightly during
the first Gulf War.
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Post by: drck1000 on November 16, 2021, 12:51:58 PM
Does that sound familiar? :rofl:Sounds like whining. . . I hate whining. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 16, 2021, 12:53:07 PM
I say after not-guilty on all charges, let Kyle leave the court house with is AR, since the AR is there. And see what happens.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 16, 2021, 01:01:01 PM
Word is 2 jurors holding up decision because fear of backlash.
Never listen to rumors of what a deliberating jury is doing.
Word. O0
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 16, 2021, 01:02:50 PM
I say after not-guilty on all charges, let Kyle leave the court house with is AR, since the AR is there. And see what happens.
That rifle would fetch a hefty sum on Gun Broker.
Just saying. :thumbsup:
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 16, 2021, 01:05:01 PM
That rifle would fetch a hefty sum on Gun Broker.
Just saying. :thumbsup:
Value lowered cause no sights.
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 16, 2021, 01:15:49 PM
In other words, f**k the defendant. He/She is not the important issue here. And while we're at it, screw justice also. It never was the main motive for any court of law.
The jury should have been out with a innocent verdict 5 minutes after they've gone in for deliberation.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 16, 2021, 01:21:14 PM
Do we have a court of law nowadays or do we have a court that decides what is best so as not to incite riots and mobs.
In other words, f**k the defendant. He/She is not the important issue here. And while we're at it, screw justice also. It never was the main motive for any court of law.
The jury should have been out with a innocent verdict 5 minutes after they've gone in for deliberation.
Seeing how this should have never even went to trial, we have a court that decides what is the best so as not to incite riots and mobs.
Post by: Inspector on November 16, 2021, 02:24:04 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 16, 2021, 02:32:19 PM
Enjoy!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
He has a "self defense" justification.
Post by: Inspector on November 16, 2021, 03:22:32 PM
Post by: Inspector on November 16, 2021, 05:21:43 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 16, 2021, 08:08:49 PM
That rifle would fetch a hefty sum on Gun Broker.
Just saying. :thumbsup:
Battle tested, hero rifle
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 16, 2021, 11:52:26 PM
if you dare to defend yourself with a firearm...
(https://i.imgur.com/B2hCMaz.png)
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 17, 2021, 06:31:04 AM
This is how the "justice system" treats you
if you dare to defend yourself with a firearm...
(https://i.imgur.com/B2hCMaz.png)
Basically we cannot defend ourselves if we bring a gun. We have no right. If the other guy has a gun and is hell bent on killing us, then we can defend ourselves...... :crazy: (but remember: you need to be without a gun, lol!)
Damn, under which swamp did they find that moron prosecuter?
Shows how broken our country and the justice system has become. When it comes to gun control, there is no justice as the far left sees it.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 17, 2021, 10:56:01 AM
The file was of high resolution drone footage. Not only was the video given to the crime lab just before trial, but the copy the defense received was on Saturday before trial started on Monday. Turns out the file the defense got is smaller, low res, and black & white. Theirs was 4MB, while the one the crime lab received was 11MB and in color. The defense copy may also be shorter in duration than the original.
The prosecution tried to squirm out of it by saying they sent an exact copy, and they have no control over what "technical wizardry" the defense may have used that altered their copy. Really? The prosecutor then admitted they provided the copy on a thumb drive, whereas all other exhibits were sent via a dropbox account. The reason was the prosecutor did it from home, where he didn't have access to his office applications. My guess is, he didn't remember the dropbox login that was saved on his work PC.
If the evidence turns out to contain footage that contradicts what the prosecution testified it portrays (as in missing seconds that were edited out), it might be a mistrial, and the prosecution would be facing misconduct charges.
If nothing else, this trial is driving home the point that you can't trust the government. They aren't seeking justice. They are cheating so they can send an innocent man to prison.
Post by: macsak on November 17, 2021, 11:41:28 AM
oops, muh bad
i misspoke
lul
still not wrong...
Today, the defense renewed their motion for a mistrial WITHOUT prejudice (Defendant can be retried). They apparently learned during the final part of the trial that the prosecution sent the defense a video file that may have been intentionally modified.
The file was of high resolution drone footage. Not only was the video given to the crime lab just before trial, but the copy the defense received was on Saturday before trial started on Monday. Turns out the file the defense got is smaller, low res, and black & white. Theirs was 4MB, while the one the crime lab received was 11MB and in color. The defense copy may also be shorter in duration than the original.
The prosecution tried to squirm out of it by saying they sent an exact copy, and they have no control over what "technical wizardry" the defense may have used that altered their copy. Really? The prosecutor then admitted they provided the copy on a thumb drive, whereas all other exhibits were sent via a dropbox account. The reason was the prosecutor did it from home, where he didn't have access to his office applications. My guess is, he didn't remember the dropbox login that was saved on his work PC.
If the evidence turns out to contain footage that contradicts what the prosecution testified it portrays (as in missing seconds that were edited out), it might be a mistrial, and the prosecution would be facing misconduct charges.
If nothing else, this trial is driving home the point that you can't trust the government. They aren't seeking justice. They are cheating so they can send an innocent man to prison.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 17, 2021, 11:41:48 AM
Then there's the Key Card case, Deedy, that asian guy who's a national guardsman officer and realtor who the ATF is after because he choose to consult an attorney before answering any questions All should never have been charged.
So when 1 says to trust they system and I can name these big cases just off the top of my head is naive that the government wont cheat to get a guilty verdict. image the smaller ones and where people took plea deals to save all the headache.
Post by: macsak on November 17, 2021, 11:44:41 AM
i think you mean canNOT be retried
judge said he will rule on the mistrial after the verdict
thought is if acquitted, it won't matter
if guilty, then we have to start all over again
still not wrong...
Post by: aieahound on November 17, 2021, 12:26:31 PM
McMichael (Arbery) Trial going on simultaneously.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ahmaud-arbery-could-asked-defendant-172936820.html
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 17, 2021, 12:26:37 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 17, 2021, 12:30:58 PM
So basically, expect rioting after this trial is done. Give Kyle back his AR and let him roam the streets again.
Post by: Brystont1 on November 17, 2021, 12:38:36 PM
This should have been decided in 10 mins. The fact that the jury is taking this long, means that corruption/politics have entered into their thought process. Which also could be no fault of their own (blame on the prosecution).
This right here is the biggest take away for me. This was as clear cut a case of self defense as I’ve ever seen. The fact that the jury did not stick a middle finger to the prosecution by an immediate acquittal further proves this country is in for one bumpy ass ride. A mistrial at this point is a loss for the country which is why I believe the judge hasn’t ruled on it yet, he wanted to see the justice system work.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 17, 2021, 01:30:54 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 17, 2021, 03:22:41 PM
"I was on the Kyle Rittenhouse jury".
LOL! :rofl:
Post by: Inspector on November 17, 2021, 03:47:23 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 17, 2021, 03:48:38 PM
F**kn jury is trying to play God instead of just being a f**kn jury. Maybe they are stalling so they can start preparing for their new careers as paid speakers or writing books.
"I was on the Kyle Rittenhouse jury".
LOL! :rofl:
A quick verdict can go either way, but a lengthy deliberation favors the defense. The longer they deliberate, the more likely they will acquit or deadlock.
Longer deliberation indicates the prosecution did not have an "open and shut" case. The jury sees a need to revisit, discuss and analyze what was presented within the context of the law and the jury instructions.
Post by: Inspector on November 17, 2021, 03:53:32 PM
A quick verdict can go either way, but a lengthy deliberation favors the defense. The longer they deliberate, the more likely they will acquit or deadlock.That’s a good point. Maybe they are just being careful and deliberate because they know whats coming once they make a decision.
Longer deliberation indicates the prosecution did not have an "open and shut" case. The jury sees a need to revisit, discuss and analyze what was presented within the context of the law and the jury instructions.
Post by: aieahound on November 17, 2021, 04:08:45 PM
What I’m worried about is a hung jury. It only takes one person to screw everything up.
Hopefully if that’s the case it was the one person who held out on the basis of the evidence.
Could screw everyone up on either side.
One person can play defense. The evidence.
That’s a good point. Maybe they are just being careful and deliberate because they know whats coming once they make a decision.
That’s what I’m thinking.
Cause this could blow up either way.
Although Rittenhouse supporters probably won’t burn down the town.
Just my opinion.
https://youtu.be/Wwq7p2gf-g4
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rittenhouse-jurors-return-day-2-045521050.html
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 17, 2021, 05:54:31 PM
Hopefully if that’s the case it was the one person who held out on the basis of the evidence.If he gets a guilty verdict, this will show u can attack someone who goes against the left and it is ok. They must stand there and take the attack.
Could screw everyone up on either side.
One person can play defense. The evidence.
That’s what I’m thinking.
Cause this could blow up either way.
Although Rittenhouse supporters probably won’t burn down the town.
Just my opinion.
https://youtu.be/Wwq7p2gf-g4
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rittenhouse-jurors-return-day-2-045521050.html
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Post by: aieahound on November 17, 2021, 06:48:47 PM
“ He is no hero. He is a callow boy who didn't understand how to handle a gun — and worse, didn't understand the most important thing about owning a gun for protection: You do everything possible to make sure you never have to use it.
He should have stayed home.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-hero-no-callow-175623840.html
https://youtu.be/nd4Wr3oDBMM
And this was the nineties. (Sublime rocked though.)
Let it burn. Whose philosophy is this ? (Rhetorical)
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 17, 2021, 09:33:56 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 18, 2021, 09:27:34 AM
Post by: oldfart on November 18, 2021, 09:39:14 AM
Post by: Brystont1 on November 18, 2021, 10:25:16 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 18, 2021, 11:25:26 AM
So 4 people who attacked Kyle all have prior records. Yet Kyle is the bad guy. He should get a key to the city.
Post by: drck1000 on November 18, 2021, 11:31:51 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10217197/amp/Jump-kick-man-filmed-kicking-Kyle-Rittenhouse-head-revealed.html?fbclid=IwAR1GrQpjWm9g3obCbDGNaPVB6-T6fhm-3vkx-583zt4Yi0y8yCz1PGbkMlgI believe (not attorney) there has to be specific context for the prior records to be factored into this case. At least that was for the case(s) I was on the jury, as well as convos with a couple of buddies who are attorneys. One is a former Honolulu prosecutor (long time ago though). That said, I can't imagine those on the jury don't know about some of the prior records.
So 4 people who attacked Kyle all have prior records. Yet Kyle is the bad guy. He should get a key to the city.
Post by: MassConfusion on November 18, 2021, 11:38:48 AM
MSNBC banned from Kyle Rittenhouse trial after producer accused of following jurors
https://nypost.com/2021/11/18/msnbc-banned-from-kyle-rittenhouse-trial/
cnbc.com/2021/11/18/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-judge-bars-msnbc-from-courtroom-.html
the salty opinion. https://www.bitchute.com/video/a6wpNz9fCLC1/
Post by: rpoL98 on November 18, 2021, 11:47:01 AM
The jury is stalling for time to allow their families time to harden their home against BLM rioters and acquire guns to protect themselves.if that's the case, then they've been "influenced", whether good, bad, right or wrong, only her hairdresser knows.
Post by: rpoL98 on November 18, 2021, 11:49:08 AM
Wanna hear some ….. fill in the word …..crap.though you were referring to canoe'd-bicep guy.
“ He is no hero. He is a callow boy who didn't understand how to handle a gun — and worse, didn't understand the most important thing about owning a gun for protection: You do everything possible to make sure you never have to use it.
He should have stayed home.”
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 18, 2021, 11:51:13 AM
I believe (not attorney) there has to be specific context for the prior records to be factored into this case. At least that was for the case(s) I was on the jury, as well as convos with a couple of buddies who are attorneys. One is a former Honolulu prosecutor (long time ago though). That said, I can't imagine those on the jury don't know about some of the prior records.
I figured that, but I was just pointing out that of all the people directly involved, only 1 (Kyle) has no criminal history. Yet the left is supporting the criminals, which is typical.
Post by: drck1000 on November 18, 2021, 12:01:47 PM
I figured that, but I was just pointing out that of all the people directly involved, only 1 (Kyle) has no criminal history. Yet the left is supporting the criminals, which is typical.Shocking. . .
"he was guud boi"
Post by: hvybarrels on November 18, 2021, 01:01:43 PM
MSNBC banned from the building because a freelance working with them was following the jury bus.
MSNBC is not content to wait for Democratic Party's violent antifa wing to figure out who the jury members are so they can hunt them down. Now they are doxing jurors themselves.
Bill Gates you better head for your bunker.
There are some lines you just don't cross, and for good reason.
I'm glad there is an ocean between us
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 18, 2021, 01:26:43 PM
MSNBC banned from the building because a freelance working with them was following the jury bus.
MSNBC is not content to wait for Democratic Party's violent antifa wing to figure out who the jury members are so they can hunt them down. Now they are doxing jurors themselves.
Bill Gates you better head for your bunker.
There are some lines you just don't cross, and for good reason.
I'm glad there is an ocean between us
MSNBC's rating are down......... ::)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 18, 2021, 02:25:03 PM
MSNBC's rating are down......... ::)
I think this was not about their ratings. This was a bunch of activists in a radical left media organization trying to affect the outcome of the trial.
They've been publishing outright lies and negative opinions about the defense and defendant, and trying to portray the prosecution's case in a way that totally ignores the facts presented.
The judge is so pissed now, he's probably thinking this is the last time he's going to allow a high profile case to be televised/streamed. He made comments to that effect previously -- due to the abysmal media coverage he's seen.
Post by: hvybarrels on November 18, 2021, 03:27:42 PM
I think this was not about their ratings. This was a bunch of activists in a radical left media organization trying to affect the outcome of the trial.
They've been publishing outright lies and negative opinions about the defense and defendant, and trying to portray the prosecution's case in a way that totally ignores the facts presented.
The judge is so pissed now, he's probably thinking this is the last time he's going to allow a high profile case to be televised/streamed. He made comments to that effect previously -- due to the abysmal media coverage he's seen.
I'd take it a step further. The democratic party wants to be able to send their violent street thugs anywhere and everywhere in order to terrify and intimidate the population into supporting their communist policies.
The second amendment gets in their way.
If Rittenhouse is found innocent and the Democrats send in their rioters again like they did last time, a lot of patriots are going to stand up and put down the real insurrection.
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 18, 2021, 03:30:42 PM
I think this was not about their ratings. This was a bunch of activists in a radical left media organization trying to affect the outcome of the trial.
They've been publishing outright lies and negative opinions about the defense and defendant, and trying to portray the prosecution's case in a way that totally ignores the facts presented.
The judge is so pissed now, he's probably thinking this is the last time he's going to allow a high profile case to be televised/streamed. He made comments to that effect previously -- due to the abysmal media coverage he's seen.
I agree. I was trying to be funny but now that I think about it, kinda lame, LOL! ;D
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 18, 2021, 03:39:06 PM
I'd take it a step further. The democratic party wants to be able to send their violent street thugs anywhere and everywhere in order to terrify and intimidate the population into supporting their communist policies.
The second amendment gets in their way.
If Rittenhouse is found innocent and the Democrats send in their rioters again like they did last time, a lot of patriots are going to stand up and put down the real insurrection.
If a civilian with a firearm can justifiably shoot and kill multiple attackers who had no knives or guns, and can also shoot and injure another who "only" pointed his gun but never fired, then all those Cops who shot an "unarmed Black man" lose part of the narrative that drives the outrage mobs.
Being unarmed will no longer be a catch phrase, because you won't have to be armed to justify use of deadly force.
So many implications hinge on the outcome of this trial.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 18, 2021, 05:22:14 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 18, 2021, 07:47:27 PM
If a civilian with a firearm can justifiably shoot and kill multiple attackers who had no knives or guns, and can also shoot and injure another who "only" pointed his gun but never fired, then all those Cops who shot an "unarmed Black man" lose part of the narrative that drives the outrage mobs.
Being unarmed will no longer be a catch phrase, because you won't have to be armed to justify use of deadly force.
So many implications hinge on the outcome of this trial.
This wouldn't be the first time an unarmed threat was shot and killed though, so if he didn't get convicted it wouldn't exactly set a new precedent. If it gets appealed and goes higher then it will have stronger implications though.
I can't find the video but I heard a clip of one idiot claiming that white supremacists will only allow so many white people to get convicted and the officer was already convicted in killing George Floyd so therefore Rittenhouse was going to go free and the killers of Ahmad Arbury are going to go free. What an ignorant bitch that was.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 18, 2021, 07:58:21 PM
This wouldn't be the first time an unarmed threat was shot and killed though, so if he didn't get convicted it wouldn't exactly set a new precedent. If it gets appealed and goes higher then it will have stronger implications though.
I can't find the video but I heard a clip of one idiot claiming that white supremacists will only allow so many white people to get convicted and the officer was already convicted in killing George Floyd so therefore Rittenhouse was going to go free and the killers of Ahmad Arbury are going to go free. What an ignorant bitch that was.
I didn't say it was as "new precedent." I said the "Defund the Police" groups would lose part of their narrative. They've pushed "unarmed Black man" as a theme for a few years, and there have been few high profile cases where unarmed attackers were dispatched by a non-Cop and ruled legally justified.
Cops who shoot "unarmed Blacks" and get off with no consequences are being vilified because many assume the Cops are being shielded by the government via qualified immunity. But someone defending themselves with a firearm against unarmed attackers without legal consequences who can't claim qualified immunity is a much bigger deal.
Just because it's happened before is not the point. The point is this case brings the issue to the forefront of this narrative and destroys a good portion of it.
That ignorant person you described probably still thinks/believes the people Rittenhouse shot were all Blacks. The media tried to give that impression early on, and so many people took that bait. Now they are shocked to learn (if they are watching the trial at all) that every single person involved was White.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 18, 2021, 09:43:41 PM
I didn't say it was as "new precedent." I said the "Defund the Police" groups would lose part of their narrative. They've pushed "unarmed Black man" as a theme for a few years, and there have been few high profile cases where unarmed attackers were dispatched by a non-Cop and ruled legally justified.
On the level of arguments to society sure but this isn't the first time we have seen cases like this so I don't think it really changes anything. The Zimmerman trial did the same thing years ago. You could say this one reinforces it of course and I would agree. Also just pisses the liberals off more ;)
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That ignorant person you described probably still thinks/believes the people Rittenhouse shot were all Blacks. The media tried to give that impression early on, and so many people took that bait. Now they are shocked to learn (if they are watching the trial at all) that every single person involved was White.
I tried to find the video but don't know who made the comment, it was just an audio clip on the radio show I listen to. The sheer stupidity of some people amazes me and this person wasn't just someone ignorant because of poor news information, she was spouting crazy stuff, as if white supremacists control who is allowed to be taken to court or not.
I did see a good meme today about how the media has spent more time lying about Rittenhouse than it did reporting the Epstein story.
Post by: drck1000 on November 19, 2021, 08:27:54 AM
Post by: M450N91 on November 19, 2021, 08:31:52 AM
Post by: oldfart on November 19, 2021, 08:35:58 AM
Not guilty. All counts===========
:thumbsup: :shaka:
Post by: aletheuo137 on November 19, 2021, 08:37:15 AM
https://rumble.com/vpho1m-rittenhouses-powerful-reaction-to-not-guilty-verdict.html?mref=4pvd7&mc=b2gay
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Post by: aletheuo137 on November 19, 2021, 08:37:33 AM
Rittenhouse's Powerful Reaction To Not Guilty Verdict
https://rumble.com/vpho1m-rittenhouses-powerful-reaction-to-not-guilty-verdict.html?mref=4pvd7&mc=b2gay
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Post by: Brystont1 on November 19, 2021, 08:45:37 AM
Post by: drck1000 on November 19, 2021, 08:49:59 AM
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Post by: stangzilla on November 19, 2021, 09:03:18 AM
Post by: RSN172 on November 19, 2021, 09:08:16 AM
Verdict is in! Not Guilty.
Just predicting the future.
I knew that 3 days ago.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 19, 2021, 09:08:30 AM
Expect rioting to begin tonight in Kenosha.
What people don't understand is that this should have never gone to trial. it's 100% political which means corruption on the prosecution side. Even though he was found not guilty, lawyers cost money, his name is more out there now, which will impact any future jobs, and things like this. There is video of the entire incident, so it's not like there are conflicting stories. It is easy to see who is lying and who isn't.
So everyone take note, this could happen to any one in the US. We are at the mercy of a corrupt state department.
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Post by: DEROS on November 19, 2021, 10:12:56 AM
congrats to kyle rittenhouse & defense team..
You also have to congratulate the Prosecution team. They also put up one heck of a defense for Kyle. :crazy:
Post by: hvybarrels on November 19, 2021, 10:13:33 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 19, 2021, 10:45:58 AM
I hope he sues the media like how Sandman did.
Expect rioting to begin tonight in Kenosha.
What people don't understand is that this should have never gone to trial. it's 100% political which means corruption on the prosecution side. Even though he was found not guilty, lawyers cost money, his name is more out there now, which will impact any future jobs, and things like this. There is video of the entire incident, so it's not like there are conflicting stories. It is easy to see who is lying and who isn't.
So everyone take note, this could happen to any one in the US. We are at the mercy of a corrupt state department.
Was just going to mention that Kyle's life from now on will never be the same. He'll always be the guy that people will say "You da guy, eh?"
Side eyes.
Whispers behind his back.
Or worse, outright threats and comments to his face.
Maybe forever.
Could it be that this was the intent of this bogus trial? Was this what Susan bull$h*t Ballard prophesized when she said "Is it worth it?"
Post by: oldfart on November 19, 2021, 10:50:14 AM
You also have to congratulate the Prosecution team. They also put up one heck of a defense for Kyle. :crazy:=========
zziinngg!
good one :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on November 19, 2021, 11:56:57 AM
I hope he sues the media like how Sandman did.
Expect rioting to begin tonight in Kenosha.
What people don't understand is that this should have never gone to trial. it's 100% political which means corruption on the prosecution side. Even though he was found not guilty, lawyers cost money, his name is more out there now, which will impact any future jobs, and things like this. There is video of the entire incident, so it's not like there are conflicting stories. It is easy to see who is lying and who isn't.
So everyone take note, this could happen to any one in the US. We are at the mercy of a corrupt state department.
Post by: oldfart on November 19, 2021, 12:03:47 PM
...
Is Kyle old enough to hold a beer? Lol.
Post by: hvybarrels on November 19, 2021, 12:15:20 PM
...
Is Kyle old enough to hold a beer? Lol.
By the time he is he’s going to be able to buy his own brewery
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 19, 2021, 12:39:35 PM
CWeR4F8F0U9/?utm_medium=copy_link
These people are not ok upstairs.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 19, 2021, 12:45:31 PM
There was plenty of video to show what happened, but people filled in the story around that with whatever they wanted -- facts be damned.
Now that the truth is out there, all of it testified to under oath, those who trashed Kyle repeatedly for their own agendas will be forced to pay up -- especially the MSM networks and their accomplices.
Biden wasn't in office when he implied Kyle was a White Supremacist (without any evidence). He should top that list.
I also think the prosecutors should be sued and sanctioned for misconduct and malicious prosecution. The evidence was all too clear that self defense was the motive for the shootings. Even as they went to trial, there was an acknowledgement by most that the only charge they could hope to make stick was the firearm charge, and that was dismissed based on the law. Where's the DOJ investigating the prosecution team's violation of Kyle's Constitutionally protected civil rights? It's all on video. What more evidence is needed?
Yeah, this better not be the end of the story. The people who tried to hijack and subvert the process need to now be punished.
Post by: Rocky on November 19, 2021, 01:09:21 PM
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Is Kyle old enough to hold a beer? Lol.
In WI, those under the legal drinking age may be served, possess, or consume alcohol if they are with a parent, legal guardian, or spouse who is of legal drinking age.
REGARDLESS OF AGE !
I think they started this law as so many parents brought their kids to the bars in WI :crazy:
Post by: ren on November 19, 2021, 01:12:46 PM
I hope he's gotten used to being around lawyers, because Kyle has a long list of people he is going to be suing the proverbial pants off. Everyone who PUBLICLY LIED THROUGH THEIR TEETH about him, about the shootings, and about the trial should be on his list.
There was plenty of video to show what happened, but people filled in the story around that with whatever they wanted -- facts be damned.
Now that the truth is out there, all of it testified to under oath, those who trashed Kyle repeatedly for their own agendas will be forced to pay up -- especially the MSM networks and their accomplices.
Biden wasn't in office when he implied Kyle was a White Supremacist (without any evidence). He should top that list.
I also think the prosecutors should be sued and sanctioned for misconduct and malicious prosecution. The evidence was all too clear that self defense was the motive for the shootings. Even as they went to trial, there was an acknowledgement by most that the only charge they could hope to make stick was the firearm charge, and that was dismissed based on the law. Where's the DOJ investigating the prosecution team's violation of Kyle's Constitutionally protected civil rights? It's all on video. What more evidence is needed?
Yeah, this better not be the end of the story. The people who tried to hijack and subvert the process need to now be punished.
I just read that he shot two WHITE people not BLACK people....
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 19, 2021, 01:20:49 PM
I just read that he shot two WHITE people not BLACK people....
Three White people, but who cares. Any more than 2 don't matter.
#WhiteLivesDon'tMatter
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 19, 2021, 01:51:59 PM
Post by: astroboy on November 19, 2021, 02:25:40 PM
https://youtu.be/MqtDbh1kL7o
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 19, 2021, 02:52:55 PM
https://youtu.be/vyT_vyLGcaw
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 19, 2021, 03:03:54 PM
Then, when confronted with the realization there was a difference between the prosecution's high resolution video and the one they sent to the defense, Kraus tried to dismiss the confusion as, "It's just playing weird." Really? Maybe it's because the files are demonstrably different in file size, resolution, name and aspect ratio (it's been cropped). The colors were also altered, likely because whoever transcoded it used a lower number of colors in the palette.
I'm glad the judge saw through that smoke screen, and he may revisit the prosecution's failure to turn over the real video to the defense by placing the prosecution team under oath and getting them on the record.
#TrustTheGovernment
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 19, 2021, 03:20:12 PM
This is from the 3rd page of the Amped Five product manual:
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Maintaining the original evidence integrity is a key element in the design of Amped Five. In the lawhttps://www.cfi.co.th/uploads/1/0/6/0/10606523/amped-five-2012-en.pdf
enforcement arena, courts, judges, prosecutors, and defense attorneys can sense the weakness of evidence
and exclude it if there is even a hint that any manipulation that has been done. The current judicial trend for
admission of digital evidence shows that undocumented or modified files have a strong chance of being
excluded; as do many files that have been worked on with photo editing software without full documentation
of steps and validation of the process. If this is the key evidence in a case, the case is likely to be lost.
The modified photo created by Amped was the prosecutions key piece of evidence against Rittenhouse in the first count of charges involving Joseph Rosenbaum. The photo purportedly showed Kyle pointing his gun in the direction of Joshua Ziminski and others, which "provoked" Rosenbaum to chase him. It's impossible to see that in the video, so the photo was key to proving the state's theory of events.
From now own, every defendant needs to make sure their team includes a tech geek. The consequences of missing something simple contained in digital evidence could make or break a case.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 19, 2021, 05:30:55 PM
Enter Jerry "Impeach Trump Again!" Nadler.....
https://youtu.be/YMdIAK59GYA
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 20, 2021, 11:32:11 AM
In case people were wondering why he took the stand.
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Post by: macsak on November 20, 2021, 11:50:40 AM
Post by: drck1000 on November 20, 2021, 11:52:07 AM
His defense team did a mock trial with him testifying and not. Results were he had to take the stand.Thanks. I've watched "A Few Good Men" many times. . . :P
In case people were wondering why he took the stand.
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J/K ;D
Would've been very interesting to be a fly on the wall for those sessions.
Post by: macsak on November 20, 2021, 12:31:04 PM
Thanks. I've watched "A Few Good Men" many times. . . :P
J/K ;D
Would've been very interesting to be a fly on the wall for those sessions.
"where's my bat? i can't think without my bat."
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 20, 2021, 01:46:47 PM
The 5th amendment was obviously violated when Binger implied Kyle's silence after arrest and up to the trial was a tactic to listen to all the testimony against him before giving his version of the story. The judge slammed Binger for that.
The prosecution tampered with and altered video evidence they provided to the defense. They claim it was unintentional -- that an email program must have done that. Email programs may resample a audio/video file to create a compressed version for transmission, but the version the defense had was also CROPPED, removing part of the video at the borders. There were two applications on the prosecutor's laptop: Handbrake and FormatFactory. Both are used to resize, crop, and encode video. When I send someone a large file, I include in the message the filename, file type, and exact size, so the recipient can verify they received it intact.
The prosecution chose to indict one of the key witnesses, nicknamed and referred to throughout the trial as "Jump-Kick Man" -- the guy who jumped over Kyle while kicking him square in the face as Kyle was on his back. Turns out (allegedly), the name of the man was already known to the prosecution during the trial, and they never gave that name to the defense, nor did they call him as a witness. Maurice Freeland is a 39-year-old career criminal and convicted felon who has open charges of domestic violence, disorderly conduct, and criminal damage to property against him. Reportedly, Freeland met with prosecutors and told them he wanted immunity before taking the stand, which means the state knew all along who “Jump-Kick Man” was.
The prosecutors argue that convicted child rapist Joseph Rosenbaum had only lunged at Rittenhouse after he aimed his gun at accused rapist Ziminski. The state made sure that Ziminski, an eye witness who could clear all of this up, was unavailable to testify in the Rittenhouse trial because he is currently being prosecuted for arson. Prosecutors charged Ziminski with arson and then delayed his trial so he wouldn’t be available to testify in the Rittenhouse trial.
The state tried every dirty trick they could think of, some of which fly in the face of the Constitutional protections guaranteed to the accused. I think if the DOJ doesn't include them in their investigation report, they are complicit, and Kyle should sue the city, the state and the feds for civil rights violations.
Post by: Inspector on November 20, 2021, 02:21:27 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 20, 2021, 02:35:54 PM
His defense team did a mock trial ...
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 20, 2021, 08:47:21 PM
Was just going to mention that Kyle's life from now on will never be the same. He'll always be the guy that people will say "You da guy, eh?"
Side eyes.
Whispers behind his back.
Or worse, outright threats and comments to his face.
Maybe forever.
Could it be that this was the intent of this bogus trial? Was this what Susan bull$h*t Ballard prophesized when she said "Is it worth it?"
If I were him I would consider changing my name and moving to a different state... After I sued the crap out of the media.
His attorney did say that he was getting treatment for PTSD. A lot for a 17 year old to handle.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 21, 2021, 12:29:26 AM
There's been no evidence of Kyle of being a White Supremacist, yet the media and Biden have made statements implying, or directly accusing him of this.
Let's say that all the same evidence was presented to us as jurors with one addition: Emails and web browser history implicates Kyle Rittenhouse is a member of a White Supremacist Group.
As a juror, would that matter in your determination of his guilt or innocence? I mean, he wasn't charged with a hate crime, the people shot were White, and his actions that night in no way demonstrated an inclination toward interacting with the people he met differently based on race.
The MSM and Left (redundant??) are screaming about a White Supremacist getting acquitted of shooting 3 people at a BLM "protest." Does that mean the law makes a special exception for White Supremacists? Are they guilty of all crimes no matter what the evidence shows?
Post by: QUIETShooter on November 21, 2021, 07:16:45 AM
It's about getting a result that will play into the hands of an extreme agenda. And the groups that fuel this agenda will lie to spin facts that are no longer the truth. Even our sad, inept, and full of shit president is playing into the hands of these groups who put his sorry ass where it is now, the president of the US, which is the laughing stock of leaders worldwide.
His refusal to apologize and acknowledge his earlier comments of Kyle devastates Americans who still believe in truth and justice and the rule of law.
The judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse case is one of the remaining bastions with courage enough to fight the tidal wave of corruption prevalent everywhere in government and the media.
How the media is acting before, during, and after this trial is downright deplorable.
Did you hear that, Hillary?
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 21, 2021, 08:36:33 AM
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Post by: drck1000 on November 21, 2021, 08:45:03 AM
Even my dad whos anti 2a thought this trial was BS. And he has TDS bad.This one brought out some interesting reactions. A friend is an avid shooter. Competes, trains often, etc. However, she and her friends, including upbringing are very liberal and defensively privileged. She posted about outrage in #nojustice
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Should Rittenhouse have been there? Well, that’s for another discussion. Being there and what happened was what these proceedings were about. I think that’s what many are missing.
Post by: aieahound on November 21, 2021, 08:47:20 AM
The judge in the Kyle Rittenhouse case is one of the remaining bastions with courage enough to fight the tidal wave of corruption prevalent everywhere in government and the media.
:thumbsup:
I respect the guy.
Probably shouldn’t have made the hope the Asian food for lunch isn’t stuck in an LA harbor comment out loud though.
Post by: oldfart on November 21, 2021, 08:56:29 AM
This one brought out some interesting reactions. A friend is an avid shooter. Competes, trains often, etc. However, she and her friends, including upbringing are very liberal and defensively privileged. She posted about outrage in #nojustice=============
Should Rittenhouse have been there? Well, that’s for another discussion. Being there and what happened was what these proceedings were about. I think that’s what many are missing.
Should Kyle have been there?
Well maybe not.
On the other hand, who do you think the townsfolk would prefer to have been there? Kyle or those BLM rioters?
If the rioters were not there Kyle wouldn't have been there either.
I always try to step back and look at the bigger picture.
Post by: drck1000 on November 21, 2021, 09:03:02 AM
=============I was commenting on what those who are screaming outrage have been crying about.
Should Kyle have been there?
Well maybe not.
On the other hand, who do you think the townsfolk would prefer to have been there? Kyle or those BLM rioters?
If the rioters were not there Kyle wouldn't have been there either.
I always try to step back and look at the bigger picture.
As for rioters? Nah. MSM said peaceful protestors. ::)
Post by: oldfart on November 21, 2021, 09:15:28 AM
I was commenting on what those who are screaming outrage have been crying about.========
As for rioters? Nah. MSM said peaceful protestors. ::)
deliver my comment to your liberal friends...please
:rofl:
Post by: aieahound on November 21, 2021, 09:39:04 AM
What world are some people living in ? Peaceful protests ?
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 21, 2021, 10:33:57 AM
Tell a lie long enough and sheeple will see it as the truth.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on November 21, 2021, 10:43:45 AM
This one brought out some interesting reactions. A friend is an avid shooter. Competes, trains often, etc. However, she and her friends, including upbringing are very liberal and defensively privileged. She posted about outrage in #nojusticeIts like when people say if OC or CCW is legal, the bad guy will take the gun from u and use it against u.
Should Rittenhouse have been there? Well, that’s for another discussion. Being there and what happened was what these proceedings were about. I think that’s what many are missing.
Ive already seen a bunch of taser comments on fb/ig like that.
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Post by: macsak on November 21, 2021, 10:51:38 AM
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Post by: aieahound on November 21, 2021, 10:26:30 PM
“ The communications on James Madison University's official Instagram account also briefly included a so-called "student takeover" video in which a JMU student lamented the "murdering" of "two beautiful Black lives" – even though the jury agreed that Rittenhouse acted in self-defense and the two men he fatally shot were both White.
"Reminder: it is hard to focus on science if you are worried you might be legally shot or run over at a protest," the JMU Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry tweeted on Saturday, the day after Rittenhouse's acquittal. The department continued, referencing various shootings of Black men that the Black Lives Matter movement has turned into rallying cries.
"It is hard to focus on science if you are worried your loved ones might be killed getting Skittles, or selling cigarettes, or playing with a toy gun, or sitting in their apartment, or jogging, or wearing a hoodie," the department added, obliquely referencing the deaths of Eric Garner, Tamir Rice, Ahmaud Arbery, and Trayvon Martin.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rittenhouse-posts-virginia-university-slammed-042949991.html
Edit: I have not seen the actual video.
Post by: aieahound on November 21, 2021, 10:30:31 PM
Responses to the situation and now media and all.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 21, 2021, 10:44:46 PM
Rittenhouse is pretty put together for an 18 year old.
Responses to the situation and now media and all.
I am sure he received quite a bit of coaching. He did go through a mock trial.
But still I would agree, his answers were good and composed. Even in the shooting itself he showed quite a bit of skill and composure.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 21, 2021, 11:12:03 PM
4 shots with a chaser.
Man! A guy could really get loaded! :geekdanc:
Post by: oldfart on November 22, 2021, 12:39:23 AM
I just had a cocktail called the Rittenhouse::rofl: :rofl:
4 shots with a chaser.
Man! A guy could really get loaded! :geekdanc:
Post by: MassConfusion on November 22, 2021, 04:11:59 PM
I just saw this, don'tt think it was brought up here. I find it kind of interesting how incestuous politics can be on a local level.
KENOSHA SECRET
The mayor who let Kenosha burn, the DA, and the lead detective in the Kyle Rittenhouse case are all members of the same family.
https://citizenfreepress.com/column-1/the-kenosha-secret/
Post by: hvybarrels on November 22, 2021, 10:59:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do7sbWaZstQ
Post by: DocMercy on November 23, 2021, 02:26:59 PM
On the other side of the spectrum, we have this article in the Chicago Tribune:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/ct-life-cb-black-lives-matter-chicago-20200903-xh75kbw5nfdk5joudlsgb2viwq-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/ct-life-cb-black-lives-matter-chicago-20200903-xh75kbw5nfdk5joudlsgb2viwq-story.html)
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Black Lives Matter Chicago organizer Ariel Atkins went viral in early August for calling the looting of downtown stores a form of “reparations.” The statements were made in the wake of the Aug. 9 shooting of 20-year-old Latrell Allen by police in Englewood. Atkins showed support for the looters, cited anger as the reason for their actions and claimed that history has not been changed through peaceful protests.
Historians need to be very careful in documenting these times.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 23, 2021, 03:49:55 PM
Good interview. Lots of misrepresentation about what Kyle said about BLM. He did not say, "I support BLM." What he said (around 14:37) was, "I agree with the BLM movement ... I believe everyone has the right to protest and assemble [peacefully]." I put the word peacefully in brackets, as this appears to be the tone of his response.
[snipped]
Historians need to be very careful in documenting these times.
Chris Cuomo of CNN asked on the air, "And please, show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful."
Well, Chris, this comes to mind:
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The First Amendment to the US Constitution
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting
the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the
right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a
redress of grievances.
I'm not a CNN talking head, so maybe I'm not as smart as he is. :crazy:
https://youtu.be/LCT2qCBdao8
Post by: ren on November 23, 2021, 03:58:44 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 23, 2021, 04:01:59 PM
in CNN's defense - Please show me where it says that CNN has to present facts and do real journalism?
Nick Sandman was unavailable to comment.
He's busy managing his investment portfolio. :thumbsup:
Post by: hvybarrels on November 23, 2021, 05:04:24 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 23, 2021, 06:17:28 PM
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Post by: stangzilla on November 23, 2021, 06:42:07 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 23, 2021, 07:11:55 PM
Ted Nugent offers Kyle lifetime free ammo
That's a BONUS!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Kyle will likely have a personal body guard for the next few years until the press have another conservative to sic the mob on. But, that doesn't mean he won't be going to the range, too. He seems like a self-sufficient young man.
Post by: Rocky on November 23, 2021, 07:39:54 PM
He retreated, did not shoot anyone that was not a threat, and was pretty much "on target" with controlled shots..
And when was the last time you utilized a forward assist, much less knowing that was what was needed ?
JMHO
Post by: hvybarrels on November 23, 2021, 08:13:33 PM
And when was the last time you utilized a forward assist, much less knowing that was what was needed ?
JMHO
That part got me as well. Apparently the forward assist was specifically designed for anti-antifa Pewjitsu.
Post by: aieahound on November 23, 2021, 08:20:41 PM
No outrage ?
https://www.wmar2news.com/news/local-news/baltimore-man-arrested-and-charged-with-1st-degree-murder
https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-man-fatally-shot-man-140200686.html
Another successful self defense claim. And shot the guy in the back. Guy pulled gun on him though.
Post by: ren on November 23, 2021, 08:49:51 PM
Post by: ren on November 23, 2021, 08:53:15 PM
How many reported on this ?
No outrage ?
https://www.wmar2news.com/news/local-news/baltimore-man-arrested-and-charged-with-1st-degree-murder
https://www.yahoo.com/news/baltimore-man-fatally-shot-man-140200686.html
Another successful self defense claim. And shot the guy in the back. Guy pulled gun on him though.
I know why....
https://burnedoverdistrictobserver.wordpress.com/2021/11/22/the-if-kyle-rittenhouse-were-black-he-would-have-been-convicted-canard-debunked-by-maurice-timothy-jones/ (https://burnedoverdistrictobserver.wordpress.com/2021/11/22/the-if-kyle-rittenhouse-were-black-he-would-have-been-convicted-canard-debunked-by-maurice-timothy-jones/)
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 24, 2021, 02:00:40 AM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
https://youtu.be/KJnOKHCVcx8
Post by: aletheuo137 on November 24, 2021, 10:12:42 AM
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Post by: drck1000 on November 24, 2021, 10:39:39 AM
Post by: aletheuo137 on November 24, 2021, 12:24:40 PM
From the "Office of Former President of the United States"? ;DFrom the artist formally known as the POTUS!
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Post by: Heavies on November 26, 2021, 04:28:41 PM
Post by: aieahound on November 26, 2021, 04:56:41 PM
Heavy video on that one.
Heavy lyrics on this one. Covers a lot of topics.
https://youtu.be/ntSDXDcgsyI
Little more R&B with broad message
https://youtu.be/6fLEVtpzwPY
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 26, 2021, 10:37:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOk-x85aaEw
Post by: aieahound on November 30, 2021, 08:09:32 PM
During an appearance on the conservative podcast "The Charlie Kirk Show," on November 30, Rittenhouse, 18, said that the firearm is "being destroyed right now."
"We don't want anything to do with that," Rittenhouse told podcast host Kirk.
…
In the same podcast, Rittenhouse criticized Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger for placing his finger on the trigger during a courtroom demonstration, saying it was not "Gun Safety 101."
"He was pointing the gun at the gallery, and I looked at my attorney," Rittenhouse said, referring to one of the lawyers on his defense team, Corey Chirafisi. "I said, 'Corey, that's Gun Safety 101.' Loaded or unloaded, treat a gun like it's loaded."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-says-destroying-ar-044352898.html
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 30, 2021, 08:14:18 PM
“ Kyle Rittenhouse said he intends to destroy the AR-15 rifle he used in Kenosha.
During an appearance on the conservative podcast "The Charlie Kirk Show," on November 30, Rittenhouse, 18, said that the firearm is "being destroyed right now."
"We don't want anything to do with that," Rittenhouse told podcast host Kirk.
…
In the same podcast, Rittenhouse criticized Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger for placing his finger on the trigger during a courtroom demonstration, saying it was not "Gun Safety 101."
"He was pointing the gun at the gallery, and I looked at my attorney," Rittenhouse said, referring to one of the lawyers on his defense team, Corey Chirafisi. "I said, 'Corey, that's Gun Safety 101.' Loaded or unloaded, treat a gun like it's loaded."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-says-destroying-ar-044352898.html
Smart.
A destroyed firearm means there's no physical evidence to prosecute Dominick Black's straw purchase case. :thumbsup:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 02, 2021, 06:08:54 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 02, 2021, 06:48:32 PM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on December 07, 2021, 07:22:48 AM
On a lighter note, asked what kind of women he likes...plumber kine is the answer.
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Post by: aieahound on December 07, 2021, 12:51:15 PM
Smart.
A destroyed firearm means there's no physical evidence to prosecute Dominick Black's straw purchase case. :thumbsup:
Some people disagree.
“ As NRA leader Wayne LaPierre once testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee: “We’ve said straw-man sales should be prosecuted for years. … If someone is doing a straw-man sale, they should be prosecuted, absolutely.”
Rittenhouse’s friend, the gun purchaser, can be prosecuted for this felony offense, which carries a sentence of up to 10 years.”
I would assume that firearm is documented five ways ‘til Sunday.
Should’ve just said I let him borrow it.
IMO, straw man purchases should be prosecuted to the fullest.
As well as felon in possession.
Enforce the laws on the books before making new ones.
The sentences are stiff if they enforced them.
Way too wise for his age.
On a lighter note, asked what kind of women he likes...plumber kine is the answer.
I agree and what the heck is a plumber kine woman ?
Likes to clear out your pipes ? Regulate your flow ? Shows butt crack ?
Post by: DocMercy on December 07, 2021, 01:24:34 PM
Smart.
A destroyed firearm means there's no physical evidence to prosecute Dominick Black's straw purchase case. :thumbsup:
When has the state or Federal government ever returned anything on time to victims of seizures or court trials? Also, it is not exactly clear where possession falls with respect to the rifle. Since it is registered to Dominick Black, he would logically be the one to receive it back. However, his court case has been delayed until January, so I tend to doubt he has it. If the state gave the rifle to Rittenhouse, and he signed the receipt, then this could be the trick that the state and Feds use to prove that the gun was obtained as part of a straw purchase. Don't fall for this Kyle. This would screw your friend, Dominick.
Once Black's case ends in his favor, just sell the rifle to a collector. It could easily fetch over six figures.
One side story that has slipped through the cracks is Ted Nugent's offer to supply Rittenhouse with a lifetime supply of ammo.
https://www.fox13now.com/news/national-news/ted-nugent-wants-to-give-kyle-rittenhouse-a-lifetime-supply-of-ammo (https://www.fox13now.com/news/national-news/ted-nugent-wants-to-give-kyle-rittenhouse-a-lifetime-supply-of-ammo)
Ask Teddy for two bricks of 5.56mm ammo each week, and pass us a few unused cases. Personally I doubt that Ted can afford a $1000/wk outlay for a guy who is still a stranger to him.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 07, 2021, 03:50:26 PM
When has the state or Federal government ever returned anything on time to victims of seizures or court trials? Also, it is not exactly clear where possession falls with respect to the rifle. Since it is registered to Dominick Black, he would logically be the one to receive it back. However, his court case has been delayed until January, so I tend to doubt he has it. If the state gave the rifle to Rittenhouse, and he signed the receipt, then this could be the trick that the state and Feds use to prove that the gun was obtained as part of a straw purchase. Don't fall for this Kyle. This would screw your friend, Dominick.
Once Black's case ends in his favor, just sell the rifle to a collector. It could easily fetch over six figures.
One side story that has slipped through the cracks is Ted Nugent's offer to supply Rittenhouse with a lifetime supply of ammo.
https://www.fox13now.com/news/national-news/ted-nugent-wants-to-give-kyle-rittenhouse-a-lifetime-supply-of-ammo (https://www.fox13now.com/news/national-news/ted-nugent-wants-to-give-kyle-rittenhouse-a-lifetime-supply-of-ammo)
Ask Teddy for two bricks of 5.56mm ammo each week, and pass us a few unused cases. Personally I doubt that Ted can afford a $1000/wk outlay for a guy who is still a stranger to him.
Since Rittenhouse is now 18, Black could legally transfer ownership of the rifle to him. If that happens, then the "straw purchase" doesn't hold much water, since the intent all along was to comply with the law. He couldn't legally buy the gun himself, but he could legally carry it. More of an inconsistency in the laws than a straw purchase.
According to his interview with Charlie Kirk:
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In an appearance on the conservative podcast “The Charlie Kirk Show,” Rittenhouse said Tuesday that the gun was being "destroyed right now.”https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kyle-rittenhouse-says-destroying-ar-15-used-kenosha-protest-rcna7204
“We don’t want anything to do with that,” he said.
Sounds like he's already been given the rifle.
It'll be interesting to see if the prosecutor also goes after his witnesses for the crimes they committed, too, and not just the person who bought the rifle and stored it until Kyle was old enough in a few short months.
We know Grosskreutz lied to police, lied in his lawsuit filings, and lied on the stand under oath. He also admitted to having a loaded pistol in his waistband after his CCW permit was expired.
We also know the prosecutors themselves lied about the drone footage and how the defense came to have a lower resolution, cropped version before trial. They also made statements in court that violated Kyle's Constitutional rights. They made statements about the case that were provably false based on the evidence, and had to change their theory of the night's events twice to match the evidence.
Their first theory was that Kyle went there looking to shoot people, threatened people with his rifle by pointing it at them, and used it when the rioters defended themselves. Then they tried to say he was an active shooter. Lastly, they said he "provoked" the actions of others by pointing the rifle at a couple of people before being chased.
Is anyone going to hold the prosecutor's office accountable for their refusal to drop the case after the evidence and statements proved the prosecution was wrong? This case should have been dropped before getting to court. As it turns out, it's a good thing they didn't. Otherwise, Kyle may have agreed to plea guilty to the gun charge, which was dismissed by the judge based on the law.
I think the live streaming has opened a lot of people's eyes to how twisted and evil some people in the justice system are. They spun facts, tampered with evidence, and violated the law just so they could win the case. These people pretend to seek justice, but what they really want is to win at the expense of sometimes innocent victims of the system.
Positive outcome, but a very negative view into the minds of prosecutors and the power they have over our lives once we are in their world.
Post by: DocMercy on December 07, 2021, 04:21:39 PM
https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/with-trial-over-what-will-happen-to-kyle-rittenhouses-gun/article_3e5a92dd-bb43-59ab-993c-5614b42c3f95.html (https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/with-trial-over-what-will-happen-to-kyle-rittenhouses-gun/article_3e5a92dd-bb43-59ab-993c-5614b42c3f95.html)
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“Though the case involving Mr. Rittenhouse has been concluded, the firearm is still being held in evidence as Mr. Black’s property until the time his case is resolved,” Sgt. Leo Viola of the Kenosha Police Department said in an email Monday.
In the eyes of the Kenosha Police Department, the rifle is Black’s property — not Rittenhouse’s.
I would not believe anything published on NBC, CNN, etc., without a video of an actual event.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on December 07, 2021, 04:46:44 PM
It could be that the state of Wisconsin has asked Black or Rittenhouse whether they want the rifle back, and Kyle told them no. The state would then be free to destroy it. The article below is only six days old.
https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/with-trial-over-what-will-happen-to-kyle-rittenhouses-gun/article_3e5a92dd-bb43-59ab-993c-5614b42c3f95.html (https://www.kenoshanews.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/with-trial-over-what-will-happen-to-kyle-rittenhouses-gun/article_3e5a92dd-bb43-59ab-993c-5614b42c3f95.html)
I would not believe anything published on NBC, CNN, etc., without a video of an actual event.
That goes back to my original comment: "A destroyed firearm means there's no physical evidence to prosecute Dominick Black's straw purchase case."
It makes sense the state would keep the gun for now. However, based on your linked story, if the firearm is surrendered to the state (Black doesn't want it), then it's as good as destroyed once its evidentiary value no longer exists -- or it becomes "lost," a common fate that befalls more evidence in police custody than we'll ever know.
Kyle said he doesn't want it, so no "ploy" by the DA to get him to incriminate Black in the straw purchase is possible.
I imagine if we see it again, it'll be on eBay -- taking bids to help pad one of the Kenosha Cop's retirement fund. :geekdanc: