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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: drck1000 on October 13, 2020, 10:23:09 AM
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What is your typical testing and evaluation process for your firearms? Including what particular application?
Has that testing and evaluation process needed to be altered due to COVID?
For handguns that I would use for defense, I typically shoot a minimum of 500 rounds of 115 gr factory ammo. 1,000 would be my preference, but 500 is fine for me. Same with after changing something major out or getting the gun worked on. 500 rounds of flawless function after the change or work, then gtg. Even better of the 500 rounds is in classes or training sessions.
For competition handguns, I typically would shoot to confirm POI and general shooting. I would say probably 100 rounds minimum before shooting a match. That said, I've learned lessons that hard way on cycling new mags prior to matches, particularly the STANDARD cap mags that were blocked to 10 rounds.
For ARs, it's been a while since I shot a new gun or even upper. I have a new upper on the way, and I would normally like to test with a minimum of 500 rounds, but not sure what I will do. This new upper is more for testing different configurations, so not really too concerned about ironing out any kinks (if any).
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for HP shooting with a newly rebarreled upper or complete - 10 shots groups. If within .75 MOA thats it. Practice and shoot it at matches.
For service pistol same thing. I sent a 1911 back 2x because the sights were too high. Grouped well - fitted Kart barrel. Frame and slide tightened.
For bolt actions guns that got rebarrelled or had action worked on - same 10 shot groups within .75 or less. If not, troubleshoot. When I first started bedding actions I wasn't that great. That was the problem on one rifle.
I used to chase loads but found that index loads work. i.e. 42 grns 4064 under a 175 Sierra MK. https://www.ar15.com/forums/precision-rifles/OFFICIAL-308-PRECISION-LOAD-RECIPE-THREAD/10-12/&page=2 (https://www.ar15.com/forums/precision-rifles/OFFICIAL-308-PRECISION-LOAD-RECIPE-THREAD/10-12/&page=2) For my ARs a 77 gr Nosler Comp on top of ~24.1 RL15 worked well.
I know that for my .22s high velocity stuff is not conducive to accuracy in my Dougie CLE upper and a Rem 40x. Same thing for pistols.
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For handguns that I would use for defense, I typically shoot a minimum of 500 rounds of 115 gr factory ammo. 1,000 would be my preference, but 500 is fine for me. Same with after changing something major out or getting the gun worked on. 500 rounds of flawless function after the change or work, then gtg. Even better of the 500 rounds is in classes or training sessions.
For factory handguns, how often during this process do you find a problem? Or do you mod all your HD handguns? Then in that case I'm going to assume the chances for something not working increases vs. a factory handgun.
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call yourself a "firearm collector" and no need T & E...
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All of my factory stuff ran fine. But my wife's M&P9c started to have light primer strikes after a few thousand rounds of us installing an Apex trigger. So they sent us a "7dot" sear and so far about a few hundred rounds in it works fine.
And when she built her AR, her Elf trigger didn't work from the start. So they sent us a replacement and works fine. Probably got 2K rounds thru her AR.
Note. The wife does have bad luck with stuff. Especially food. Orders something and it's under cooked, wrong order, left in the stuff she wanted left out, etc..
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For factory handguns, how often during this process do you find a problem? Or do you mod all your HD handguns? Then in that case I'm going to assume the chances for something not working increases vs. a factory handgun.
I've never had an issue with functioning of any of the factory guns I own. I had small metal part on the FCG of my HK USP Compact break and disable the gun, but HK fixed it no problem. I wasn't using that HK for HD, but if I were, I would have done same testing after I got it back. No issues on my factory Glocks.
For HD guns, I don't really do any significant mods. Sites, mag release and slide release. I don't touch anything springs or action wise and replace with factory parts when they reach a certain round count. *knocking on wood* haven't had a factory part on a Glock fail.
However, for one of my Gucci glocks, I was having an occasional malfunction that I thought was a light primer strike that I assumed was attributed to the striker spring that they replace. I was noticing a misfire maybe one every 50-100 rounds. Sent it back and the gunsmith reported it was an issue with the action spring and extractor spring (and maybe something else) that resulted in not going fully back into battery, which led to the misfire that looked like a light primer strike. I think I'm at 800 flawless rounds after I got it back, so :thumbsup:
But yeah, if I were to end up modding my HD guns more than noted above on the factory guns, I'd do same/similar testing. I generally don't mod my HD guns much. However, I have a number of shooting buddies that do and it adds all sorts of variables. Was that misfire due to a light primer strike from your striker spring? Or bad batch of ammo? Etc. They mostly do that to their competition guns, so no real "harm or foul" except embarrassment. ;D
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call yourself a "firearm collector" and no need T & E...
What the point in that? ??? ::)
Were you asking for "a friend"?
:rofl:
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What is your typical testing and evaluation process for your firearms? Including what particular application?
Has that testing and evaluation process needed to be altered due to COVID?
For handguns that I would use for defense, I typically shoot a minimum of 500 rounds of 115 gr factory ammo. 1,000 would be my preference, but 500 is fine for me. Same with after changing something major out or getting the gun worked on. 500 rounds of flawless function after the change or work, then gtg. Even better of the 500 rounds is in classes or training sessions.
For competition handguns, I typically would shoot to confirm POI and general shooting. I would say probably 100 rounds minimum before shooting a match. That said, I've learned lessons that hard way on cycling new mags prior to matches, particularly the STANDARD cap mags that were blocked to 10 rounds.
For ARs, it's been a while since I shot a new gun or even upper. I have a new upper on the way, and I would normally like to test with a minimum of 500 rounds, but not sure what I will do. This new upper is more for testing different configurations, so not really too concerned about ironing out any kinks (if any).
I pull trigger. It go BOOM. Done. :rofl:
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I pull trigger. It go BOOM. Done. :rofl:
Well, good luck when you Carcanos come in. Test fire with a string first? :o
:rofl:
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All of my factory stuff ran fine. But my wife's M&P9c started to have light primer strikes after a few thousand rounds of us installing an Apex trigger. So they sent us a "7dot" sear and so far about a few hundred rounds in it works fine.
And when she built her AR, her Elf trigger didn't work from the start. So they sent us a replacement and works fine. Probably got 2K rounds thru her AR.
Note. The wife does have bad luck with stuff. Especially food. Orders something and it's under cooked, wrong order, left in the stuff she wanted left out, etc..
Did that start after she married you? ???
;D :crazy: :rofl:
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Well, good luck when you Carcanos come in. Test fire with a string first? :o
:rofl:
I always safe test a C&R for the first time using lots of sandbags and a string. :rofl:
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Well, good luck when you Carcanos come in. Test fire with a string first? :o
:rofl:
BTW the Carcano and the Tokarev are in. I still have to buy a mold to cast boolits for the Carcano. I have everything I need for the Tokarev.
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BTW the Carcano and the Tokarev are in. I still have to buy a mold to cast boolits for the Carcano. I have everything I need for the Tokarev.
Well, get on it. ;D
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But yeah, if I were to end up modding my HD guns more than noted above on the factory guns, I'd do same/similar testing. I generally don't mod my HD guns much. However, I have a number of shooting buddies that do and it adds all sorts of variables. Was that misfire due to a light primer strike from your striker spring? Or bad batch of ammo? Etc. They mostly do that to their competition guns, so no real "harm or foul" except embarrassment. ;D
"poof poof" ammo
good thing we don't know anyone like that...
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"poof poof" ammo
good thing we don't know anyone like that...
I can neither confirm nor deny that I know anyone like that. . . ;D
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I can neither confirm nor deny that I know anyone like that. . . ;D
Q- "i hit the steel on that first shot right?"
A- "i can see your bullets arcing downward"
LOL
heads
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Q- "i hit the steel on that first shot right?"
A- "i can see your bullets arcing downward"
LOL
heads
There are some SS shooters that you can see the boolit tracking toward the target, hit and if steel, sometimes you can see it spinning away after the hit. Now THAT is "poof poof".
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There are some SS shooters that you can see the boolit tracking toward the target, hit and if steel, sometimes you can see it spinning away after the hit. Now THAT is "poof poof".
SS?
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SS?
Single Stack
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Single Stack
heads
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heads
bullets
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bullets
no amps?
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Another aspect of testing beyond mechanical function is how the firearm works or fits in conjunction with the rest of your gear, at least in the context of defensive applications, general training, and competition. Some things that seem to work ok dry manipulation sometimes don't work out as well come time to life fire. I've learned many lessons in that regard. Move a mag pouch and conflicts with a sling. Adjust a sling point and don't properly adjust the sling length. Unfortunately, need certain range access to work those things out, but highlights the value of access to the KHSC action bays or firearms training/classes.