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General Topics => Preparedness and Survival => Topic started by: dirsh on July 17, 2012, 03:41:24 PM
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What do you guys think is our most probable "doomsday"? how have you prepared for it?
Hurricane? Tsunami? Volcano? EMP (ha!)? economic collapse?
If we did have a SHTF scenario, how protected are we by the government?
For me, my friends always ask me why I buy guns and ammo and I tell them "just in case...of zombies". In my head i'm thinking, if the economy collapses and everyone goes nuts, i'll have enough to protect myself.
Living on an island, if our supply line was cut off (like say by a natural disaster) and we had to survive on what we have, things would get hella crazy.
I don't have enough food and supplies because I don't have the room to store it. I have enough for a couple of weeks at most
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The first three would be both local and temporary. It's the latter two I worry about.
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My wife does not like talking about this subject. But I have convinced her to keep enough TP, propane and other staples around. We have a month of water but for some reason when I tell her I want to keep a months worth of food she thinks I am a wack job! WTF? So I have been slowly stocking the cupboards with canned goods and now we have about 3 weeks worth of frozen and canned food.
I doubt we will have an EMP attack because I don't think we are worth the cost or the effort. Natural disaster is most likely and it is our government's first priority to provide for us in a natural disaster. The question is will they? I believe they will because we are an important port for the navy.
Economic collapse could happen around us but because we are not so tied in with the mainland we have a micro economy in place. While it would be affected by economic collapse we would probably go back to trading food and staples until we run out. In which case we'll all throw a Donner Party!!! :rofl:
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Don't know if anyone else noticed but there happens to be an economic collapse in progress, escalating natural disasters (including an ocean mass extinction event), a couple nuclear meltdowns, solar farts ever week, and the exec, leg, and judicial branches of the govt took the constitution out back and shot it in the face. They are still accepting dollars at the grocery store for now, though.
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IMHO Hawaii is way overdue for a major natural disaster, So that's what I try to prepare for. About 3 months supply of food and water is the goal but so far I've only got maybe a little over two weeks worth to be honest :-\ at the same time I can see economic collapse leading to social collapse being the next biggest threat, thats why I also prep for long term personal and home Defense.I'm sure the government has a contingency plan for anything that goes wrong but should anyone really be relying on that... :crazy:
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IMO the most likely doomsday scenario is economic collapse, many governments are on the verge of bankruptcy, including Honolulu C&C. The world economy will probably recover at some point but there is still a chance for it all to come tumbling down.
Sure, the government has a contingency plan but I would never rely on FEMA :wacko:
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Nothing to worry about here, your government is in control. Rail will solve everything.
Now go watch dancing with the stars or whatever the fuck it is you bid your time with. :D
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Zombies, for real.
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Natural disaster. I really hope I don't have to open up those MRE's I got. Ew. I'd probably rather go hungry.
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Natural disaster, kinda like Katrina. There were no cops, murder rates jump, etc..
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Yay mres yum!!!
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Hurricane? Tsunami? Volcano? EMP (ha!)? economic collapse?
None of the above would really equal a true "doomsday". Natural disasters are localized and as Jkeone808 said, temporary. As long as the "rest of the world" is out there we'd only have to hold out for 72 hours (maybe upto a week) and should be relatively fine. I'd estimate a 95% survival rate.
I think a more probable doomsday would be an impact by a celestial body. An extinction level event type (1/2 mile +) asteroid would have worldwide implications. Something like that? It'd only be a question of when you'll die. Remember, were on an island in 64 million miles of ocean. The mile high wave would wipe us out.
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I doubt we will have an EMP attack because I don't think we are worth the cost or the effort. Natural disaster is most likely and it is our government's first priority to provide for us in a natural disaster. The question is will they? I believe they will because we are an important port for the navy.
EMP's also occur naturally several times a year (solar flares). Just think of the panic when people lose electricity, cell phone and internet. Also, you're mistaken about our governments first priority. Help would most likely come from other nations in the Pacific & Asia long before OUR government gets done with the "paperwork" needed to send assistance.
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I think economic collapse is the most probable. Rome and the former Soviet Union collapsed as a result of their economies. If the US economy collapses it will be a worldwide event as we are now more connected with the rest of the world than ever. Second I think would be a natural disaster that would have to have worldwide implications which I cannot imagine what could be that powerful that could take us by surprise.
I thought this video was interesting although kind of long. The first five minutes or so talks about a man who trapped wild boar and compared it to the welfare state which was in my opinion a good analogy. Later they talk about how the Roman people found it more lucrative to vote than to work. Meaning, voting in politicians who gave you government bread instead of giving wheat and the people having to be productive and make their own bread. Kind of like now, instead of providing jobs for the American people they just give food stamps. That's why people will vote in politicians who promise free handouts, the more free handouts the less productive society and possible economic collapse. I believe we are headed in that direction.
The Fall of Rome and Modern Parallels (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0zacaIard0#ws)
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Mega Tsunami caused by part of the big island falling off that will wash over large portions of the other islands.
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Don't know if anyone else noticed but there happens to be an economic collapse in progress, escalating natural disasters (including an ocean mass extinction event), a couple nuclear meltdowns, solar farts ever week, and the exec, leg, and judicial branches of the govt took the constitution out back and shot it in the face. They are still accepting dollars at the grocery store for now, though.
You mean Canadian dollars right?
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I think he meant the dollar is still actually worth something.
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I was kinda joking in that the Canadian dollar bounces between being worth more then less than the US dollar. Probably because they do not print as much fiat as the US does, then traders realize that Canada has socialistic tendencies . . .
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Probably tsunami or hurricane. Either way, need to have water, food, and emergency generator. And, of course, a generous lead shield.
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No worries! :shaka:
Jus messing around . . .
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Most likely doomsday scenario for Hawaii?
My somewhat educated guess, from hanging out with the NOAA and civil defense types a bit: locally generated tsunami.
If the great crack on the big island decides to let go and slide off into the ocean a local sea level rise could be as high as 1000 feet and would hit Oahu in less than 30 minutes. But we get it easy: the wave that hits the west coast of the the Americas would sit up on the continental shelf and be up to 5000 feet. The wind of its advance would destroy most of the west coast before the water even hit. It would ride over the coast ranges into the central valley and wash up against the Sierra Nevadas. It has happened before, they think when the Molokai Slide happened. Dates match the layers of deep pacific shell litter found near the TOP of the Sierra Nevadas.
Most likely doomsday scenario that affects Hawaii?
Economic collapse. If the ships stop coming for any reason most of us are screwed. Which is really a damned shame since the islands have more than enough potential food production capacity to feed all of us and then some. We just don't do that because shipping everything in makes a certain group of people a hell of a lot more money than a local food economy could ever hope to.
Need proof? Current estimate of Hawaii population? ~1.4 million. Amount of resources imported? 94% Population at the time of contact: estimated as high as 1 million, no accurate numbers exist. Amount of resources imported? 0%
The key to that degree of sustainability - at least where food is concerned - were the fish ponds, well established taro loi and sweet potato fields. Almost all of those have been destroyed, but if we wanted to build a local food economy we could relatively easily feed everyone. For example, a commercial organic rice grower from California was working on a project that I was also. In the course of our travels around the Big Island for that project... marveled that we weren't growing rice. "Just a fraction of the suitable land I've seen not in use could supply the entire state with rice and probably have some left over for export."
The primary defense against some of the most likely doomsday scenarios that the islands face is actually a healthy, robust and redundant local food supply. The same is true of most places on the mainland, by the way. We should all be up in arms about it here, really. We can grow food all year long, for crying out loud. There is no need for us to be afraid of the day the ships stop coming except that the current economic priorities don't favor any kind of local food supply. It doesn't produce tax revenue like tourism, development and raising land tax values.
But if it ever does come down to serious SHTF and the ships stop coming for the foreseeable future there are 2 groups of people that will rule the islands: the military and the farmers. Everyone else would be very, very wise to be friends with both.
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Problem with Oahu is there are quite a few superfund sites around thanks to the military dumping it's toxic goo everywhere. A lot of the soil is contaminated and to make matters worse a huge percentage of the ag is for companies like Monsanto and Pioneer who use the most productive farm land to grow their frankenfood crops like the Terminator seeds that die after one generation so the only way farmers can survive is to buy more seeds from the company. No saving seeds means modern slavery to subsistence farmers. Meanwhile the roundup and whatever new kind of Agent Orange they are working on goes into the streams and contaminates the reef.
Seriously if you doubt the toxicity of the stuff they are doing ask yourself what kind of farmer goes out into the field in a biohazard suit? Not exactly getting back to nature.
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People should start asking Bishop Estate and Kamehameha Schools why they are leasing land to these biopharm monsters. KS has billions invested in the market, including those companies so they make money on both sides, but some things are more important than making money. Like food security for instance.
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Sorry, I know this is an old thread but I'm killing time waiting for my kid to finish dinner so I can give him a bath.
Not a doomsday, but still a significant event.......probably a tsunami or a hurricane. It's going to suck if your place of business is damaged and you can't work. I don't know about you folks but I don't have a savings for 6 months of expenses.......
My wife's boss was without power for one year on Kauai. When they got ice they saved it for the beer........
My god.....no internet or TV for a year. 17/18 years later must have been the biggest HS graduations on Kauai ever........
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I believe that we will see any economic collapse or civil uprising in the mainland before we see it here in Hawaii. As far as disasters, if California or part of the Big Island falls into the ocean, we are F'ed. The crack along the Big Island is massive, and there has been some strange shit going on in Cali along the fault lines. I have roughly 4 months of freeze dried food stored up, but wish I could have more. I have lots of water, and the ability to filter down to .02 microns if needed. Plenty of firearms and ammo, but always looking for a way to have more just in case. My wife thinks I'm crazy, but I keep telling her better safe then sorry. It's only money, and I can always make more. If ever we need the things we have stocked up on, we will be ahead of the curve and glad we saved up. I pray that I will never need any of the things we have, but I prepare for the day that we need them. I had a 2011 Shelby GT500, and sold it for a 2012 F250 turbo diesel. The Shelby's wheels would not have gotten very far with zombies stuck in them, the F250 is a beast and will power through anything. ;D
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Yup been having some activity in big island the last few days, lots of small earth quakes. I agree that a tsunami from the big island is our biggest threat. Talked to the family about evacuation plans, routes to take, etc, etc.
Financial collapse is also pretty critical, seeing how expensive shit already is here.
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Yup been having some activity in big island the last few days, lots of small earth quakes. I agree that a tsunami from the big island is our biggest threat. Talked to the family about evacuation plans, routes to take, etc, etc.
Financial collapse is also pretty critical, seeing how expensive shit already is here.
If part of the Big Island falls into the ocean, no time to evacuate. The estimated wave size is over 1000 feet, grab your board and try to surf it! Hahahaha If you are on Oahu, Wahiawa is about the highest location you could get to somewhat quickly (1500+ feet).
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well not exactly an evac plan, but most probable places we would be and where would be the best and safest place to head to, as well as meet up times and locations.
And yeah the wave/s would be huge, but at least were one step ahead, and hopefully that will be enough time.
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a thousand! gatdang I gotta' get a dirt bike again. luckily higher ground is a straight shot up the road.
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a thousand! gatdang I gotta' get a dirt bike again. luckily higher ground is a straight shot up the road.
I gots my CR500 ready to go, but that dang 2 stroke gas turns to varnish right quick. Don't think I could make high ground on 1 tank of gas anyway. This is where the F250 comes in, plus it has room for my wife and 2 kids, even if they think I'm crazy.
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Yeah, the great crack is a very serious threat. I wish my house was a couple hundred feet higher, but at 850 or so I can hope I won't get smashed. There is a road right next door that goes straight up and if we have a major quake the gran-n-go bags get thrown in the car and up we go. Gotta be quick here, though. Almost no time to react.
Which reminds me that that I have to eat and replace the DIY mre's in the grab-n-go bag and make sure the roommates do the same.
Not likely to happen tomorrow but it ~will~ happen someday.
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what's a DIY MRE?
Yeah, the great crack is a very serious threat. I wish my house was a couple hundred feet higher, but at 850 or so I can hope I won't get smashed. There is a road right next door that goes straight up and if we have a major quake the gran-n-go bags get thrown in the car and up we go. Gotta be quick here, though. Almost no time to react.
Which reminds me that that I have to eat and replace the DIY mre's in the grab-n-go bag and make sure the roommates do the same.
Not likely to happen tomorrow but it ~will~ happen someday.
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Do It Yourself Meal Ready to Eat
In my case, an indian food packet and accompanying rice packet, pop tarts, instant oat meal, clif bar, clif protein bar, tea or instant coffee packets, a couple paper towels and a toothpick/dental floss thingy. All crammed in a 1 quart ziploc bag.
I spec'd it all out a while ago and with the right indian food packs its enough calories and protein for a day. Fairly easy way to keep 3-5 days of food handy. The drinks and oatmeal require water, of course, but both can be taken cold if need be, as can the rest of the food.
Should prolly throw a snickers bar in, too. For sanity's sake and for a bit of extra calories in we're working hard.
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it's a great idea
next question- what's an "indian food packet"
Do It Yourself Meal Ready to Eat
In my case, an indian food packet and accompanying rice packet, pop tarts, instant oat meal, clif bar, clif protein bar, tea or instant coffee packets, a couple paper towels and a toothpick/dental floss thingy. All crammed in a 1 quart ziploc bag.
I spec'd it all out a while ago and with the right indian food packs its enough calories and protein for a day. Fairly easy way to keep 3-5 days of food handy. The drinks and oatmeal require water, of course, but both can be taken cold if need be, as can the rest of the food.
Should prolly throw a snickers bar in, too. For sanity's sake and for a bit of extra calories in we're working hard.
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http://shop.tastybite.com/Meal-Inspirations/c/TastyBite@MealInspirations (http://shop.tastybite.com/Meal-Inspirations/c/TastyBite@MealInspirations)
Poke around on that site a bit. "Meal Inspirations" are protein heavy (well, for vegetarian) and relatively dry. "Entrees" are a bit saucier, which makes them a little easier to eat with rice, and tend to have substantially less calories, protein and fiber. Rice is just that: cooked rice. All of it is heat and eat - boil the unopened packet in water - or can be eaten cold.
Depending on the grocery store you can get them just about anywhere. Can almost always find them at health food stores, too. I pounce whenever they are on sale. Been thinking about ordering some of the rice and meals that I don't see locally.
There is another common company "Kitchens of India", I think. Yummy, but tends to be higher fat, higher sodium and doesn't have as many dairy free options. Just my preference as both are good.
I do wish they made meat options, though. Can't have everything. That's why the Clif protein bar - only way to get near enough protein.
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thanks clshade, excellent information here
i usually go for the mountain house, but nice to hear of other options
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Any major west coast earthquake that closes ports like Long Beach will cause shortages of fuel and food. Hopefully they get rid of the Jones Act soon.
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Yah, cut off the imported food and we screwed. Fast food joints will have to add more sawdust or something ;)
I want some chickens bumbai.
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Pighting Chickens ? :D
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Pighting Chickens ? :D
bawk bawk bawk
Keola Beamer and Raiatea Helm - Mr. Sun Cho Lee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GqUzcGHCw4#ws)
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The problem here is at nobody takes anything seriously-- I was working when the last tsunami warning was issued, and I kid you not, there were people waiting at bus stops with their luggage, thinking that the bus would come for them. Mind you, this was about half an hour to when the tsunami was supposed to hit us. The only thing people here seem to care about is getting gas, beer, then bottled water. They are the "zombies" we might see ourselves fighting, if you ask me. I'm still surprised that people think the government will save them after how badly Katrina was handled. They don't seem to realize that the government stays in control by keeping the people right where they want them, and that isn't by making them independent and self-sufficient...
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I'm still surprised that people think the government will save them after how badly Katrina was handled. They don't seem to realize that the government stays in control by keeping the people right where they want them, and that isn't by making them independent and self-sufficient...
I am not surprised as these are the same people that re-elected Obama.
Some liberals (say Bill Maher) are finally waking up, sort of, to their stupidity in blindly supporting their ideals. Bill was whining about taxes being too high in California. DUH! What does he think the redistribution of wealth is about?
The Boston Tea Party was the culmination of the colonies' protest of taxation without representation. We are getting there people! We already have taxation without representation and the frustration is building.
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The problem here is at nobody takes anything seriously-- I was working when the last tsunami warning was issued, and I kid you not, there were people waiting at bus stops with their luggage, thinking that the bus would come for them. Mind you, this was about half an hour to when the tsunami was supposed to hit us. The only thing people here seem to care about is getting gas, beer, then bottled water. They are the "zombies" we might see ourselves fighting, if you ask me. I'm still surprised that people think the government will save them after how badly Katrina was handled. They don't seem to realize that the government stays in control by keeping the people right where they want them, and that isn't by making them independent and self-sufficient...
It's sad really. A personal example is an extended family member visited my home and saw my water storage and was like "wow, that's alot of water! What are you a doomsday prepper?" :grrr: Answer: No, I just hope that I won't need handouts if an emergency situation arises. I'm think the majority of people have the attitude that things will just work out without having plan, including my own family... :(
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It's sad really. A personal example is an extended family member visited my home and saw my water storage and was like "wow, that's alot of water! What are you a doomsday prepped?"
Yeah, I hate how that show has basically made anyone who prepares for any kind of disaster look like a nut job. Granted, there are some nuts on that show, but when you run into someone from New Jersey or a housewife from NYC, you don't automatically assume they're like the people from the reality show-- but tell people why you're buying extra bottled water, and they automatically think you're building a bunker too. What ever happened to the days where being a good ol' Boy Scout was a good thing? Did all the real men stop being born after John Wayne died?
-Edit- And on topic, I'm preparing either for a natural disaster or economic collapse turning welfare recipients into nasty neighbors. Maybe I should invest in a boat...
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Yeah, I hate how that show has basically made anyone who prepares for any kind of disaster look like a nut job. Granted, there are some nuts on that show, but when you run into someone from New Jersey or a housewife from NYC, you don't automatically assume they're like the people from the reality show-- but tell people why you're buying extra bottled water, and they automatically think you're building a bunker too. What ever happened to the days where being a good ol' Boy Scout was a good thing? Did all the real men stop being born after John Wayne died?
-Edit- And on topic, I'm preparing either for a natural disaster or economic collapse turning welfare recipients into nasty neighbors. Maybe I should invest in a boat...
If nothing else I feel confident that I am not like the people on that show because I would never show all my preps on national TV.
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Govt. stops paying welfare / social programs and the .gov-dependent social class will riot. Those are real zombies there.
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I'd say the most probably would not be anything apocalyptical or zombies, or anything along those lines. More likey to be a cascade of things which alone are minor to inconvienient but compounded would escalate to something short of martial law. Take gas prices. Let's say some middle eastern oil producing nation went jihad causing the price of gas to go up to $20 a gallon in the matter of days. It wont hurt you only at the pump. Everything is imported here. Food, medical suplies, anything and everything. Price to ship those things which are needed for life now increase exponentially to the point where 90% of the population can't afford the basic things. You thing the mad dash for guns and ammo was crazy in November was chaotic. Imagine what that would be like for food and water. Even if it was only for a week or two. The island of Oahu is only so big and has only so many supplies.
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Hmmm maybe another revolution??
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anything could happen. first and foremost is we live on islands out in the middle of pacific ocean and need to prep accordingly. storms and such. people that don't understand that basic premise are the ones who will be lined up outside of FEMA camps begging for water and scraps to survive. here on O'ahu, just one look at the freeways during rush hour should be another clue as to the masses of people to support. or not to :evil Agenda 21 anyone? haha
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Hawaii needs to be more self reliant instead of always depending on imports. Support local farmers and farming! :)
Overall, America needs to start producing again instead of always importing from other countries.
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We need more farms
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Hawaii needs to be more self reliant instead of always depending on imports. Support local farmers and farming! :)
I think we traded that for more housing
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anything could happen. first and foremost is we live on islands out in the middle of pacific ocean and need to prep accordingly. storms and such. people that don't understand that basic premise are the ones who will be lined up outside of FEMA camps begging for water and scraps to survive. here on O'ahu, just one look at the freeways during rush hour should be another clue as to the masses of people to support. or not to :evil Agenda 21 anyone? haha
Did we not have a surplus to be used in case of another hurricane? I heard a few years ago during Lingle admin we had a rainy day fund for such emergencies. Rather use that than beg to the Feds who will just confiscate our weapons in exchange for food handouts at the nearest FEMA camp.
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I wonder how much is actually in the Hurricane Emergency Fund, now.
My guess as to most probable "doomsday" event fo Hawaii: pandemic flu from Asia.
Some kind of H1N1 plus H5N1 concoction with 60% mortaliry rate.
The Hawaii Hurricane Relief Fund has been 'raided' so many times, I doubt there's much left to cover anything. They need to put the money back or refund it back to those who paid into it.
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Here on BI most of the folks I know have a decent stash of supplies, water, etc. There is a routine when the tsunami warning hits, too: it varies but its pretty much top off your household supplies (are you sure you have enough TP?) and then fill all the cars. Costco and all the gas stations get pretty busy.
Not too many looking for handouts here. Those who aren't prepared to some degree are generally newcomers. For most it is only an emergency if they aren't prepared.
And, seriously, be careful knocking the FEMA folks. They really are here to help and the people who handle emergencies here in Region 9 are NOT AT ALL the same clowns who screwed up Katrina. Hawaii has the best Civil Defense crew in the world. Fact. And those are local - State and County - agencies. Comes from having plenty of practice. They WILL do their best to get things back up and running if they can. The government here may be screwy in the day to day but when the going gets tough they KNOW how to respond well.
We do need more farms. We didn't just trade farms for housing, we traded them for grocery stores. Hawaii used to EXPORT food - and I'm not talking about sugar and pineapple. Hawaii fed the San Francisco gold rush. Redwood lumber came over on the ships and cattle went back. Shippers raked it in both ways. But as the population grew here and the West Coast developed its own food production, the shippers needed something else to make money on so they became the grocers. They systematically destroyed the fish ponds, taro lo'i and potato fields and replaced them with sugar and pineapple. Voila: the very model of western imperialism. Destroy the local food source, use the hungry populace as cheap labor and soak all that money back by selling them everything they need.
This is still the case. You can't simply have more farms without seriously upsetting someone's apple cart. From an emergency standpoint more local, diversified food production is a no brainer. From the county and State standpoint we don't need food, we need commercial scale agriculture, usually monocropping. That's taxable at a significant enough level to make a difference.
The Big Island alone could feed the rest of the state IF we don't assume meat as the primary source of protein. If we do, then the BI, Maui and Kaui could probably handle the protein needs (and I do mean needs) and we'd have plenty of additional foods to export.
But none of that holds a candle, tax-wise, to development and high real estate values. From the State viewpoint more farms is a revenue loss. Unless you're talking GMO farms. That's commercial scale and provides a fair income for the State. Monsanto is also the biggest funder for UH and has been for decades. Money talks. That's the only language the budget folks understand.
But that is also why our Civil Defense is so good. It is a huge priority to get things back to normal FAST so that the tourists can comfortably spend their money here so Civil Defense is fairly well funded and equipped.
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I was watching this documentary about solar storms and flares and they say that there's going to be a lot of activity in 2013. Although the government is preparing a little for it, if we do have a major flare it could wipe out our electricity for a few months. Can you imagine going a few months without electricity? Especially for us rock dwellers.
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I seriously think north korea is probably the next dooms day scenerio for us on the rock unless a tsunami gets us first then at that point I change my answer to tsunami.
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Speaking of economic collapse, why is our government looking at cutting back our military but yet turns a blind eye to people on EBT cards driving Escalades who are not even from our island? What if the news came out with figures showing how much we'd save if we cut the cord to everyone on welfare? Oh, forgot, that would piss off the people who got Obama in office in the first place...
Or foreign aid? Why are we feeding and taking care of countries who wouldn't help us out during a disaster? Not to be a d!ck to small countries like Haiti, for example, but what *exactly* does our country stand to gain by sending them aid? Or Egypt?
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upset now?- just wait and see how much economic "aid" is given to nkorea for backing off their aggressive tone
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Speaking of economic collapse, why is our government looking at cutting back our military but yet turns a blind eye to people on EBT cards driving Escalades who are not even from our island? What if the news came out with figures showing how much we'd save if we cut the cord to everyone on welfare? Oh, forgot, that would piss off the people who got Obama in office in the first place...
Or foreign aid? Why are we feeding and taking care of countries who wouldn't help us out during a disaster? Not to be a d!ck to small countries like Haiti, for example, but what *exactly* does our country stand to gain by sending them aid? Or Egypt?
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International aid is often (not always) delivered by our armed forces.
It gives us a good excuse to be everywhere while making us look like (and act like) nice guys.
Its as diplomatic as it is strategic.
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International aid is often (not always) delivered by our armed forces.
It gives us a good excuse to be everywhere while making us look like (and act like) nice guys.
Its as diplomatic as it is strategic.
Not to mention the Military has the manpower and equipment needed to quickly deploy and deliver much needed relief to any part of the world on short notice. I doubt if any other government agency has that capability.
I don't think our government needs an excuse to be everywhere. We didn't go into the areas devastated by the Indonesian Tsunami because we had strategic goals to achieve. We did it because it was the right thing to do. 227,898 people died as a result of that disaster. We sent the U.S.N.S. Mercy, a hospital ship, to help treat the survivors.
Nations all over the world provided over US$14 billion in aid for damaged regions,[81] with the governments of Australia pledging US$819.9 million (including a US$760.6-million aid package for Indonesia), Germany offering US$660 million, Japan offering US$500 million, Canada offering US$343 million, Norway and the Netherlands offering both US$183 million, the United States offering US$35 million initially (increased to US$350 million), and the World Bank offering US$250 million. Also Italy offered US$95 million, increased later to US$113 million of which US$42 million was donated by the population using the SMS system[82] According to USAID, the US has pledged additional funds in long-term U.S. support to help the tsunami victims rebuild their lives. On 9 February 2005, President Bush asked Congress to increase the U.S. commitment to a total of US$950 million. Officials estimated that billions of dollars would be needed. Bush also asked his father, former President George H. W. Bush, and former President Bill Clinton to lead a U.S. effort to provide private aid to the tsunami victims.[83]
In mid-March the Asian Development Bank reported that over US$4 billion in aid promised by governments was behind schedule. Sri Lanka reported that it had received no foreign government aid, while foreign individuals had been generous.[84] Many charities were given considerable donations from the public. For example, in the UK the public donated roughly £330,000,000 sterling (nearly US$600,000,000). This considerably outweighed the donation by the government and came to an average of about £5.50 (US$10) donated by every citizen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami)
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Not to mention the Military has the manpower and equipment needed to quickly deploy and deliver much needed relief to any part of the world on short notice. I doubt if any other government agency has that capability...............................
Wait...............government and quick in the same sentence? :crazy:
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Wait...............government and quick in the same sentence? :crazy:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Wait...............government and quick in the same sentence? :crazy:
It was a relative comparison ... kind of like naming one of the slowest restaurants in town "Zippy's" ... compared to whom?
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Longs running out of wax and tweezers.......then what will the men of this generation do :o
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I apologize about that comment....
I meant to say, "Any man of any generation that plucks and tweezes" what will THEY do? ::)
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I apologize about that comment....
I meant to say, "Any man of any generation that plucks and tweezes" what will THEY do? ::)
Go for the Andy Ronney look!!!! Oh wait, didn't he just die?
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Keep an eye on that H7N9 influenza going down in China, bruddahs...
:shaka:
Yeah I seen that....the Nu Flu..... ;D
Its so ironic how new Diseases and Flus show up all the time....... ::)
They keep blaming monkeys, birds and swine......classic
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Yeah I seen that....the Nu Flu..... ;D
Its so ironic how new Diseases and Flus show up all the time....... ::)
They keep blaming monkeys, birds and swine......classic
The more antibiotics we use the more diseases mutated and become stronger. Imagine the damage from anti bacterial soaps and such.
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Keep an eye on that H7N9 influenza going down in China, bruddahs...
:shaka:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100671550 (http://www.cnbc.com/id/100671550) :shake:
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The more antibiotics we use the more diseases mutated and become stronger. Imagine the damage from anti bacterial soaps and such.
:rofl: :rofl: bass, you forgot bath salts :thumbsup: :rofl:
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Zombies, no. Economic collapse yes
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Resistant Bacteria: Antibiotics Prove Powerless as Super-Germs Spread
Ashton Bonds, a 17-year-old student at Staunton River High School in Bedford County, in the US state of Virginia.
Ashton spent a week fighting for his life -- and lost.
This is probably what also happened to Omar Rivera, a 12-year-old in New York,
who doctors sent home because they thought he was exhibiting allergy symptoms.
He died that same night.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/resistant-bacteria-antibiotics-prove-powerless-as-super-germs-spread-a-811560.html (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/resistant-bacteria-antibiotics-prove-powerless-as-super-germs-spread-a-811560.html)
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^^^^
That's been inevitable since the invention of antibiotics. :(
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http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/05/22/mysterious-illness-kills-2-in-southeast-alabama/ (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/05/22/mysterious-illness-kills-2-in-southeast-alabama/)
Careful out there, travelers!
http://www.cdc.gov/features/novelcoronavirus/?mobile=nocontent (http://www.cdc.gov/features/novelcoronavirus/?mobile=nocontent)
Damn, that's pretty scary stuff.
I imagine that if/when the "epidemic" happens this is exactly how it'll begin.
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Hey there, here is my two cents:
Most likely event would be a natural disaster, something like a hurricane or tsunami. Both of which would be temporary but could cause massive loss of life, most of which might not even happen during the event but the days following it.
I hope that a economic or government collapse never happens and I honestly do not think it will, at least in my life time. But it is always good to be prepared!
I have to also say that a lot of the cluster that happened in Katrina was the fault of the citizens. If there is a storm coming and you were told to leave, THEN LEAVE! And they cannot say they had no ride, the city and state sent busses all around to drive you away for free. People refused to use them for some idiotic reason.