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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: hvybarrels on July 24, 2012, 09:49:20 AM
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Great article someone forwarded to me about how the original reason people started gun control was to disarm freed slaves, and then more interestingly how the Clinton-era ban was in response to the inner-city violence of the crack epidemic. Basically it's about how liberals are showing how out of touch they are with regular people.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100172070/traditionally-racists-and-reactionaries-demanded-gun-control-in-america-why-have-leftists-now-joined-in/ (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100172070/traditionally-racists-and-reactionaries-demanded-gun-control-in-america-why-have-leftists-now-joined-in/)
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Very telling about the nature of the liberal MSM in the US that you have to read a UK source to find this. Happens again and again how things happen and are written in our country you would never know about if not for foreign media sources.
Almost like they get their direction and approval from the White House or nearby.
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He's full of sh*t with his claim that gun control was traditionally a right-wing stance. Based on the fact that the Democrats wrote Jim Crow laws, established the KKK, and generally acted like complete and total pricks to blacks, including disarming them, gun control has always been strictly the bailiwick of the left. Unless you subscribe to the preposterous idea that the Republicans and Democrats switched sides fifty years ago, of course.
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It's not just liberals...
Washington corrupts...Anyone who enters politics loses touch with the "common man" after the 1st or 2nd term. This is why I believe there should be term limits for every public official. Electing fresh minds into office every 4-6 years is the only way to ensure that people are properly represented.
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He's full of sh*t with his claim that gun control was traditionally a right-wing stance. Based on the fact that the Democrats wrote Jim Crow laws, established the KKK, and generally acted like complete and total pricks to blacks, including disarming them, gun control has always been strictly the bailiwick of the left. Unless you subscribe to the preposterous idea that the Republicans and Democrats switched sides fifty years ago, of course.
Keep our guns and take away the guns from the slaves is a right-wing stance vs. take away guns from everyone to keep us safe as the new left wing stance. Right wing is inherently racist but at lest most of them admit in, in private conversation of course. Liberals are cool with blacks and mexicans as long as they don't move next door.
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It's not just liberals...
Washington corrupts...Anyone who enters politics loses touch with the "common man" after the 1st or 2nd term. This is why I believe there should be term limits for every public official. Electing fresh minds into office every 4-6 years is the only way to ensure that people are properly represented.
+1 on this. I am happy to see someone agrees with my views as well!
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Keep our guns and take away the guns from the slaves is a right-wing stance vs. take away guns from everyone to keep us safe as the new left wing stance. Right wing is inherently racist but at lest most of them admit in, in private conversation of course. Liberals are cool with blacks and mexicans as long as they don't move next door.
I don't agree with your statement at all. :wtf:
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Keep our guns and take away the guns from the slaves is a right-wing stance vs. take away guns from everyone to keep us safe as the new left wing stance. Right wing is inherently racist but at lest most of them admit in, in private conversation of course. Liberals are cool with blacks and mexicans as long as they don't move next door.
Why don't you provide an example or two, instead of saying, "Nuh-uh! Right wing r teh rasicits!"
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Right wing is inherently racist
Speaking of racist, making comments like this and those that you made in the Trayvon Martin thread might cause you to do some introspection.
Of course, you could provide some factual evidence for smearing so many as racists............
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Speaking of racist, making comments like this and those that you made in the Trayvon Martin thread might cause you to do some introspection.
Of course, you could provide some factual evidence for smearing so many as racists............
lol, see also: my tagline. :rofl:
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Anti-immigration civil rights violations, gerrymandering, prison industrial complex, war on drugs, jim crow 2.0 voter id, attacking welfare mothers, militarizing police forces, invading lots of countries with brown people live to take their natural resources...about the only non-racist position right wingers hold is being anti gun control.
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lol, see also: my tagline. :rofl:
I love that tag line, btw.
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Keep our guns and take away the guns from the slaves is a right-wing stance vs. take away guns from everyone to keep us safe as the new left wing stance. Right wing is inherently racist but at lest most of them admit in, in private conversation of course. Liberals are cool with blacks and mexicans as long as they don't move next door.
I don't agree with this at all. It was the democrats who vote for slavery and the republicans who vote to abolish it. Gun control is inherently racist and that is what democrats support. I know and have known literally hundreds of republicans over my lifetime and have known only two racists. And out of the hundreds of democrats I have known most were racist just by their political stance of wanting to give more rights to minorities in the name of equality. Giving more rights to one race over another is racist in itself. The difference I found is that the democrats I have known would not admit to being racist through their beliefs and he republicans admitted it.
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I'm a bit racist. These people who are looking forward to a globalized multicultural megacities where everybody ends up blending to the point of homogenization are out of their minds. Sometimes I need a 'white people' night or at least hang out with people who act white just so I can relax and not worry about misunderstandings or offending anyone. Maybe it's a cultural thing instead of a race thing. I'm fairly confident that most people feel the same way, and even if they think other people's cultures are stupid most people aren't going to go out of their way to make their lives more difficult. That is until government gets involved.
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Anti-immigration civil rights violations, gerrymandering, prison industrial complex, war on drugs, jim crow 2.0 voter id, attacking welfare mothers, militarizing police forces, invading lots of countries with brown people live to take their natural resources...about the only non-racist position right wingers hold is being anti gun control.
Immigration: the right doesn't oppose it, we just want it to be done legally. We'd also like something done about the fact that 57% of immigrant families receive some sort of government assistance.
Gerrymandering: Practiced by both sides, zero sum game.
Prison Industrial Complex: mmmmkay
War on Drugs: Been going on through a number of Demcratic Presidencies and Congresses.
Voter ID: Not racist. (Unless you're one of those people who think only white people are smart enough to obtain a state ID, which I imagine you most likely are.)
Attacking welfare mothers: What? How?
Militarizing police: Chicago, LA, NYC, Detroit, and their ilk certainly are bastions of conservatism, aren't they?
Waging War to Kill Brown People: Jesus Christ, really?
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Sheriff Arapaio is on trail for the first.
Second one you got me.
Prison industrial complex: percentage of prisoners by color vs percentage of population is WAY off
war on drugs; most liberals want to legalize it despite what politicians say
voter fraud is almost a non-existent problem. it's voter suppression.
welfare queen comments by people who live off dividends
militarized police force- you got me there too
wars to TAKE RESOURCES from brown people. we don't really want to kill them but they are sitting on our oil.
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Sheriff Arapaio is on trail for the first.
Arpaio may be a conservative, but he is not "conservatives".
Second one you got me.
Prison industrial complex: percentage of prisoners by color vs percentage of population is WAY off
And that's a sign of specifically conservative racism? I didn't know that all police officers, DAs, judges, and defense attorneys shouldered the conservative mantle. Did you know that if you control for persons raised in single-mother homes, the difference between the black and white incarceration rates disappears? Perhaps 70% of black children today being born to unwed mothers is a symptom of dirty conservative racism...
war on drugs; most liberals want to legalize it despite what politicians say
So what? Not wanting to legalize drug use isn't a sign of not liking minorities, it's a sign of not liking drugs.
voter fraud is almost a non-existent problem. it's voter suppression.
It may be almost non-existent, but it does exist. Wanting to solve a problem is not racist. Again, do you honestly believe only us white folk possess the mental agility required to navigate the DMV?welfare queen comments by people who live off dividends
militarized police force- you got me there too
wars to TAKE RESOURCES from brown people. we don't really want to kill them but they are sitting on our oil.
Let's just pretend that the US really does go around stealing peoples' resources. (Which we don't, but let's pretend.) Is it racist that the inhabitants of the Afghan oil fields (Yes, I know. Pretend there are oil fields in Afghanistan. We're still pretending, remember??) happen to be brown?
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I'm a bit racist.
No, really? I couldn't tell. At least you are honest about it.
These people who are looking forward to a globalized multicultural megacities where everybody ends up blending to the point of homogenization are out of their minds.
I don't have to tell you that this is only a matter of opinion. I know plenty people think it is possible. And some people have a dream. I say it is almost impossible due to human nature. But out of their minds? Let people have their dreams and don't try and burst their bubble. Show some respect and consideration.
Sometimes I need a 'white people' night or at least hang out with people who act white just so I can relax and not worry about misunderstandings or offending anyone.
I found in my short life that if you show someone (or numerous people) respect, consideration and patience you will more than likely receive it in return. In that way you won't have to "worry" about misunderstandings or offending anyone. If you say something inappropriate they will be more than happy to let you know. A quick acknowledgement and a humble apology and everyone moves on without anger/hatred. This works for me 99% of the time. The other 1% have a problem and I move on. Now, let me ask you how do people "act white"???? This is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read. People act the way they do because of their culture and up bringing. Not because of their color.
Maybe it's a cultural thing instead of a race thing.
BINGO!!!! Give hvybarrels a prize. It is your decision if you feel the need to hang out with other whites. But then that is a racial thing of your making. I prefer to hang out all the time with my friends, acquaintances and those with similar interests and I could give a crap what color they are.
I'm fairly confident that most people feel the same way, and even if they think other people's cultures are stupid most people aren't going to go out of their way to make their lives more difficult. That is until government gets involved.
I'm VERY confident most people DON'T feel the same way. If someone feels another person's culture is stupid and they don't want to go out of their way to make their lives more difficult then those people have a problem. While they are entitled to their feelings and opinions they really don't know what they are missing. Closed minded people don't have any culture except ignorance and hate.
Thanks for sharing your inner most feelings here.
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Let's just pretend that the US really does go around stealing peoples' resources. (Which we don't, but let's pretend.) Is it racist that the inhabitants of the Afghan oil fields (Yes, I know. Pretend there are oil fields in Afghanistan. We're still pretending, remember??) happen to be brown?
I can tell you never studied strategy.
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No, really? I couldn't tell. At least you are honest about it.
And that's pretty much the only difference between us.
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I can tell this is pretty much going nowhere just like the Trayvon thread so I'll just state my point.
Conservatives are influenced by fear of the 'other' someone who is going to come in the night and take away their stuff, not realizing the leaders who put these fears in their heads are the ones who took the stuff, enslaved the kids, and are standing proudly next to the stars and stripes while flying the international corporate piracy jolly roger of greed behind their backs. It's easy enough to see, but it means having a second or two of introspection and doubt in authority which sadly our education system has drowned and fox news/talk radio buried under years of programming where emotions rule and facts drool. Television makes you stupid. Stop watching.
Liberals on the other hand love to belong. They will follow lemming-like any fearless leader off a cliff even in the case of Obama who has proved himself a wall street whore and warmonger deluxe infatuated with dismantling the very constitution he studied so much back in his elitist university days while snuggling up to Chicago crime bosses and whomever else would give him a grab at power. Including Darth Cheney himself. You try to point this out to a liberal and they recoil in horror because they think anybody who has an idea different from the party line must be a conservative or whack job. They are so afraid of anybody else disturbing their ivory tower of rightness that they lock themselves up in colleges and gated communities preaching to each other about how awesome they are for supporting the most recent meaningless feel-good campaign. Just don't disturb their illusion or they will call the riot squad on you.
Of the two I think liberals are the more dangerous. The cave men will eventually wake up to the fact that the unpleasant sensation on their backside is actually their own rape-in-progress, cave man rage will be unleashed, poop will fly, suppressed homoerotic tendencies will be confronted, and the system will come crashing down with a new batch of tyrants to spring from the ashes. The daddy-worshippers, however, want to usher in a terrifying totalitarian utopian era with all the feel-good joy and pleasantness of and Orwellian nightmare.
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Left or right doesn't matter both have proven to fail at many things and both work together against the interests of the people year after year. It's all pointless to wonder why bad things happen when you only choose between the lesser of two evils.
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And that's pretty much the only difference between us.
Pretty much all of Your comments are VERY OFFENSIVE to me.
To everyone else:
Please don't feed the troll.
You cannot have a conversation with someone with their head up their ass. It's hard to look them in the eye, and they can't hear you very well.
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My intention is not to offend but share ideas and observations. I get frustrated with what I see in daily life and blow off steam on the internet, because if someone came out and said some of this stuff in public they might find themselves getting ostracized, punched in the face or swinging from a branch. Ideology is a fascist trap to snare people's minds, a perfect example being left and right calling each other racist when they are both guilty of supporting racist policies and leaders. People in their natural state seem to be mostly 'live and let live' despite their prejudices, but when some psycho gets on the airwaves, spewing poison and turning them against each other all hell breaks loose.