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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: Inspector on January 06, 2021, 05:04:41 AM
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First interesting action for today. Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania legislators sent letters to Pence this morning to postpone the counting of the electoral votes today. It is within their constitutional powers to request the postponement and it is within Pence’s constitutional powers to allow it. So, the letters are due by 10:00am this morning EST.
PA & WI Legislators intend to appoint different electors than those from their Governor/AG’s. GA asked for 12 day postponement in order to further investigate fraud, irregularities and misconduct in their election process. And AZ intends to reclaim their electors and block those already sent until their controversy is resolved thru pending litigation and/or comprehensive forensic audit.
Interesting maneuvers. We’ll see what happens. While I don’t expect Pence to postpone the count, he certainly could as it is within his constitutional powers to do so if he feels there is good reason. I think that if these four states feel there is enough fraud in their elections to make a difference in their results then I think Pence should give them the opportunity to do it. Because if their results change, so will the electoral count which is enough to change the results of the election. It could be this has been the plan all along. I don’t know. But I thought things might get a little wild today and it seems that this may be the start of the electoral vote counting process.
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I should have started a new thread with this post. So I am cross posting here so it goes along with the subject of this thread:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=38726.msg357500#msg357500
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I hope Pence doesn't postpone. It will reflect poorly on the GOP. After today's results in Georgia with the most watched and monitored election in recent history I believe its pretty safe to assume Georgia's previous results are legit. It's similar to the presidential race, having the democrats pull ahead. Not to mention all the audits done already.
As much as I hate the results the people have spoken. This is democracy. You don't always like the results but you accept them. The GOP needs to regroup and expell Trump. He fucked everything up. Brought down the GOP with him. Look at those 2 senate seats he helped flip.
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I should of started a new thread with this post. So I am cross posting here so it goes along with the subject of this thread:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=38726.msg357500#msg357500
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I hope Pence doesn't postpone. It will reflect poorly on the GOP. After today's results in Georgia with the most watched and monitored election in recent history I believe its pretty safe to assume Georgia's previous results are legit. It's similar to the presidential race, having the democrats pull ahead. Not to mention all the audits done already.
As much as I hate the results the people have spoken. This is democracy. You don't always like the results but you accept them. The GOP needs to regroup and expell Trump. He fucked everything up. Brought down the GOP with him. Look at those 2 senate seats he helped flip.
Sounds like a Never Trumper talking, If the Presidential Election was stolen in GA you can be pretty sure they stole the Senate election too (Dems need the two seats to control the senate so I'm pretty sure they'd steal it to get it). We'll see what happens!
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First interesting action for today. Georgia, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania legislators sent letters to Pence this morning to postpone the counting of the electoral votes today. It is within their constitutional powers to request the postponement and it is within Pence’s constitutional powers to allow it. So, the letters are due by 10:00am this morning EST.
PA & WI Legislators intend to appoint different electors than those from their Governor/AG’s. GA asked for 12 day postponement in order to further investigate fraud, irregularities and misconduct in their election process. And AZ intends to reclaim their electors and block those already sent until their controversy is resolved thru pending litigation and/or comprehensive forensic audit.
Interesting maneuvers. We’ll see what happens. While I don’t expect Pence to postpone the count, he certainly could as it is within his constitutional powers to do so if he feels there is good reason. I think that if these four states feel there is enough fraud in their elections to make a difference in their results then I think Pence should give them the opportunity to do it. Because if their results change, so will the electoral count which is enough to change the results of the election. It could be this has been the plan all along. I don’t know. But I thought things might get a little wild today and it seems that this may be the start of the electoral vote counting process.
Getting a little tired of waiting for somebody to have some "kahones" other than our President.
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Thanks MacGun :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Getting a little tired of waiting for somebody to have some "kahones" other than our President.
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I hate to say it, but only a few have the balls to fight for this election that was stolen. Pence declined to postpone the counting this morning. He could still do it by then end of the day. But I doubt it. Right now the house and senate are debating the AZ objection. But I don’t think there will be enough votes to take action.
The state legislatures are to blame here. They could have done something a month ago. But they didn’t. This election was stolen and I think it is apparent that there are not enough state politicians to do anything about their own state’s elections being stolen. Biden will be our president and I think the Dems will control the senate as well by the end of the day.
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I hate to say it, but only a few have the balls to fight for this election that was stolen. Pence declined to postpone the counting this morning. He could still do it by then end of the day. But I doubt it. Right now the house and senate are debating the AZ objection. But I don’t think there will be enough votes to take action.
The state legislatures are to blame here. They could have done something a month ago. But they didn’t. This election was stolen and I think it is apparent that there are not enough state politicians to do anything about their own state’s elections being stolen. Biden will be our president and I think the Dems will control the senate as well by the end of the day.
You're right, majority of the GOP doesn't have the balls to do anything. They just want to keep their head in the sand and not to draw attention to themselves. This really should have been done over the last 4 years. It was pretty much Trump vs. the entire DNC/media/liberals. And the DNC has been slowly working their plan in over decades, which the GOP didn't do much to stop them.
Pence sent a letter to Trump saying he will honor the electoral votes and not contest it because 1 man having the power to do so is not good. IDK if he knows something we don't. Not sure if Pence plays 4D chess.
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You're right, majority of the GOP doesn't have the balls to do anything. They just want to keep their head in the sand and not to draw attention to themselves. This really should have been done over the last 4 years. It was pretty much Trump vs. the entire DNC/media/liberals. And the DNC has been slowly working their plan in over decades, which the GOP didn't do much to stop them.
Pence sent a letter to Trump saying he will honor the electoral votes and not contest it because 1 man having the power to do so is not good. IDK if he knows something we don't. Not sure if Pence plays 4D chess.
I doubt Pence is going to do anything more than he has to in order to get this over and done with. I don’t think his heart is in politics any more. He was saying he didn’t want to continue in politics any more before today. I think he doesn’t want to be the big person. Let others do the hard work/heavy lifting. Biden will be our president and the Dems will have control of congress as well.
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!
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Riots in DC on going. No LE around. . .
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Sounds like a Never Trumper talking, If the Presidential Election was stolen in GA you can be pretty sure they stole the Senate election too (Dems need the two seats to control the senate so I'm pretty sure they'd steal it to get it). We'll see what happens!
I am a never Trumper now. But I said the same thing when Hilary lost, the losing side had to accept the loss and move on. I was voted for Trump that time around, so I was on the "winning" side. This time around I am on the neutral side, I wanted neither candidate, but never the less I will move on. This is democracy this is how it works. You are not always happy with the results. If you don't like it, the next cycle do your best to motivate others for the candidate of your choosing.
There is no evidence of mass fraud. They had something like 10000+ "poll/election" watchers, many of them republicans. The most documented and efficient election in recent history. How can they mass fraud? In Georgia they did a HAND recount, so dominion is not the issue. Two elections in a row went democrat so its not some anomaly. The election officials are republican. No bias there. It appears its just a plain fact the democrats won.
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Riots in DC on going. No LE around. . .
What a shame. More destruction. More people hurt.....
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What a shame. More destruction. More people hurt.....
Of course it's automatically blamed on Trump supporters and Proud Boys.
I was on a virtual call and some of the participants were discussing prior to the meeting getting started. Jumping to conclusions. . .
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Only government buildings being breached by "trump supporters". No burning of private buildings or looting by said trump supporters. Being passive for 4 years accomplished nothing. Those people are speaking the same language as the DNC has been. Except not harming the citizens. I hope no citizens stuff gets rioted or looted by Trump supporters.
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Shots fired. Two people shot is what I have heard. :(
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Shots fired. Two people shot is what I have heard. :(
Flame started in an already volatile situation.
Can't wait to see how the MSM portrays the "massive and widespread violence". ::)
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Flame started in an already volatile situation.
Can't wait to see how the MSM portrays the "massive and widespread violence". ::)
You can't rule people who don't accept your government as legitimate. What did the Democrats think was going to happen when they fraudulently stole this election?
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
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You can't rule people who don't accept your government as legitimate. What did the Democrats think was going to happen when they fraudulently stole this election?
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Civil unrest in “similar” (using similar loosely here) situations have happened many times in history. Been watching this series Unearthed. They go through history is Egypt, Rome, Teo(something Mexican), etc. All have examples of hundreds of years of prosperity ended when “common peopleL have had enough. Not saying this is that historian l situation, but dayum.
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Getting a little tired of waiting for somebody to have some "kahones" other than our President.
Trump IS the Republican Party now. It is only a matter of time before the remaining RINOs realize this is not going away.
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You can't rule people who don't accept your government as legitimate. What did the Democrats think was going to happen when they fraudulently stole this election?
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Got to remember it comes from stupid people. Amen, a woman, and a bunch of morons!
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Civil unrest in “similar” (using similar loosely here) situations have happened many times in history. Been watching this series Unearthed. They go through history is Egypt, Rome, Teo(something Mexican), etc. All have examples of hundreds of years of prosperity ended when “common peopleL have had enough. Not saying this is that historian l situation, but dayum.
Don't forget Hong Kong. 100K inthe streets and even stormed a gov building. Left all historical item alone, just destroyed government items like plaques, chairs, computers, etc.. Crickets from the media. Then Covid hit and zero on the streets.
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Trump IS the Republican Party now. It is only a matter of time before the remaining RINOs realize this is not going away.
Trump doesn't have to be. Dump Trump or split. But either or might be horrible for the republican party. Unfortunately the democrats might use this to stay in power forever. All I know is a party of Trump is one that will never win. We have evidence of that in Georgia.
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Watching live coverage of the “incursion” into the Capital. MSM comparing to incursion back in 1814.
The coverage looks like a lot of people milling around. Not the widespread rioting being conveyed by many on social media. Lots of irrational ranting and “prayer”.
Violence that happened isn’t good. But it’s being overblown. At least IMO.
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Civil unrest in “similar” (using similar loosely here) situations have happened many times in history. Been watching this series Unearthed. They go through history is Egypt, Rome, Teo(something Mexican), etc. All have examples of hundreds of years of prosperity ended when “common peopleL have had enough. Not saying this is that historian l situation, but dayum.
How about the one in North America 1775-1783 ?
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How about the one in North America 1775-1783 ?
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So much hate for America going around, so brought up history of ancient civilizations :o
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Watching live coverage of the “incursion” into the Capital. MSM comparing to incursion back in 1814.
The coverage looks like a lot of people milling around. Not the widespread rioting being conveyed by many on social media. Lots of irrational ranting and “prayer”.
Violence that happened isn’t good. But it’s being overblown. At least IMO.
Correctomundo. Nothing on fire like those BLM riots and riots like that. Only property damaged is of the governments.
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Correctomundo. Nothing on fire like those BLM riots and riots like that. Only property damaged is of the governments.
That's still wrong. Stop justifying this. This is an attack against the USA. All acts of violence and property isn't a peaceful protest. Doesn't matter if they are not as violent or damage only certain property it's still wrong.
Trump is a danger to democracy and his handling of this situation is horrible. I hope he never gets an elected office ever again.
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You can't rule people who don't accept your government as legitimate. What did the Democrats think was going to happen when they fraudulently stole this election?
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Well, it looks like we got a postponement.
Too bad it was Antifa caused.
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Well, it looks like we got a postponement.
Too bad it was Antifa caused.
I don't think antifa was involved you have any evidence? I saw only Trump supporters.
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"Some people" think Trump supporters are causing violence at a Trump support rally among themselves, because "they" don't see "evidence" of ANTIFA being there.
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Well, it looks like we got a postponement.
Too bad it was Antifa caused.
1 Antifa has been ID'd so far. Guy with long hair and a beard who's part of Philly Antifa. Yet he is next to a "trump supporter". Maybe he switched sides?
I think it's a combo, which the 2 have never intermingled peacefully.
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I don't think antifa was involved you have any evidence? I saw only Trump supporters.
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"Some people" think Trump supporters are causing violence at a Trump support rally among themselves, because "they" don't see "evidence" of ANTIFA being there.
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The OC spray and dash tactic I've seen a few times on video today. Which is commonly used by antifa. Also the guys where in black hoodies and black pants. While everyone else is wearing Trump stuff or normal clothes.
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It's just a sad sad day for both democracy and the United States! A Commander in Chief? A leader? I think not!
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It's just a sad sad day for both democracy and the United States! A Commander in Chief? A leader? I think not!
Is it though? I finally feel some hope. Like people have actually woken up to the too-big-to-fail criminal class that is running this country in to the ground and are doing something about it.
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Like Inspector Sez, DNFTT.
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Gonna be interesting if antifa info comes out in the next few days
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Is it though? I finally feel some hope. Like people have actually woken up to the too-big-to-fail criminal class that is running this country in to the ground and are doing something about it.
Well who is this criminal class are you talking about?
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Well who is this criminal class are you talking about?
Who are the powerful elites that hate Trump the most because he broke the Clinton/Bush/Obama continuum?
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Not sure how an ideal turned into a race. But I based it upon, its was a trump rally ment for trump supporters. They had trump flags and confederate flags. They had trump clothes, shouted pro trump things. Its fairly safe to assume many of the rioters were trumpists.
With your logic there might be secret Trump supporters framing antifa at their protests.
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1 Antifa has been ID'd so far. Guy with long hair and a beard who's part of Philly Antifa. Yet he is next to a "trump supporter". Maybe he switched sides?
I think it's a combo, which the 2 have never intermingled peacefully.
See what happens when folks jump to conclusions based on "facts". But still #notprovenincourt
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See what happens when folks jump to conclusions based on "facts". But still #notprovenincourt
Yes I look forward to the court and criminal proceedings in the future.
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Now remember kids. Antifa does not exist, so how could they be false flagging? Also false flags do not exist. Your media and tech lords have spoken, so shut up and obey.
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It's just a sad sad day for both democracy and the United States! A Commander in Chief? A leader? I think not!
I think it was a sad day in America a long time ago. Today was long overdue. It may be for the wrong reasons but for millions of people there is no other recourse. This is not something we can vote our way out of and the judicial branch has decided to stay out of it.
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Peaceful protestors!
https://wethepeoplejournal.org/we-had-no-weapons-we-were-peaceful-they-started-shooting-at-us-police-attacked-protesters-with-pepper-spray-tear-gas-and-clubs/
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Presidential Proclamation
https://rumble.com/vchyqx-must-see-insurrection-act-of-1807.html
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Even George Bush condemned the president.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/congress-electoral-college-vote-count-2021/h_ef362aebb55c7bf4b6676dcd6e1bfb52
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Four years ago, on inauguration day, "peaceful protestors" set fire to cars and buildings, looted stores, broke windows for blocks, and the police ..... let them do it. in fact, the RIOTS were not covered very much at all in the news.
Clinton never once asked the rioters to stop. In fact, not one Democrat politician publicly denounced the violence, because they WELCOMED this violence against Trump's "illegitimate" win.
Today, the exact opposite. Strong police response, calls for Trump to send his supporters home, and NO CITY-WIDE DESTRUCTION.
I hate the media, the politicians, and the people who keep supporting all of this BS.
If you hate Trump more than you love the country, you're the problem.
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Four years ago, on inauguration day, "peaceful protestors" set fire to cars and buildings, looted stores, broke windows for blocks, and the police ..... let them do it. in fact, the RIOTS were not covered very much at all in the news.
Clinton never once asked the rioters to stop. In fact, not one Democrat politician publicly denounced the violence, because they WELCOMED this violence against Trump's "illegitimate" win.
Today, the exact opposite. Strong police response, calls for Trump to send his supporters home, and NO CITY-WIDE DESTRUCTION.
I hate the media, the politicians, and the people who keep supporting all of this BS.
If you hate Trump more than you love the country, you're the problem.
But, today everyone who was at the Capitol was labeled as "American terrorists".
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But, today everyone who was at the Capitol was labeled as "American terrorists".
I bet not one of them has "dreamed of blowing up the White House." (ala Madonna)
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https://republicanstory.com/warning-hard-to-watch-video-unarmed-pro-trump-woman-shot-by-capitol-police-has-died/
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Theres a meme spreading. It has harris, waters, and 2 other senators calling for violence or disrupting other senators when eating cause they support trump. How fast TDSers forget.
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Theres a meme spreading. It has harris, waters, and 2 other senators calling for violence or disrupting other senators when eating cause they support trump. How fast TDSers forget.
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Fine line between patriot and traitor. . .
That said, I don't think Kamala or Waters should be considered anything close to patriotic. . .
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Fine line between patriot and traitor. . .
That said, I don't think Kamala or Waters should be considered anything close to patriotic. . .
Fine line, or perspective?
The American patriots that fought the War for Independence were traitors to Britain. They were all British subjects.
From an American perspective, they were patriots who fought to end the oppression of a government that provided nothing to the colonies but had no qualms about taking whatever they wished.
Those who believe in the fundamental ideals that created this nation and fight to preserve them are absolutely patriots. Those who seek to "fundamentally transform" the nation into something else are the traitors.
You can't honestly claim to love something that you want to change at its very foundation. That's what the Left is continually calling for. When the Constitution thwarts their plans, their first reaction is to change the Constitution. Can't win by the rules, change the rules. That's been their MO forever.
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Its over.
Trump is gone :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :shaka: :shaka:
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Fine line, or perspective?
The American patriots that fought the War for Independence were traitors to Britain. They were all British subjects.
From an American perspective, they were patriots who fought to end the oppression of a government that provided nothing to the colonies but had no qualms about taking whatever they wished.
Those who believe in the fundamental ideals that created this nation and fight to preserve them are absolutely patriots. Those who seek to "fundamentally transform" the nation into something else are the traitors.
You can't honestly claim to love something that you want to change at its very foundation. That's what the Left is continually calling for. When the Constitution thwarts their plans, their first reaction is to change the Constitution. Can't win by the rules, change the rules. That's been their MO forever.
It is funny to hear the libs howling about sedition. Way more property got destroyed at the Boston Tea Party.
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In case some of you had not heard, the congress started counting the electoral votes again last night. And as expected Joe Biden was verified as the president elect.
I am disappointed in Pence that he didn’t do everything in his constitutional powers to allow a bipartisan panel to investigate the election tampering/fraud activity, I think if the panel were to find fraud then we would see the election completed per the constitution. If they didn’t find any fraud then it would assure the people that the election was clean. I believe this would have been the best scenario for all of us because transparency is something all of us want.
I am more disappointed and place most of the blame on the state legislatures in the 6 states where the fraud took place. They were still in session and had a chance to address all of the fraudulent activity and come to a proper transparent conclusion BEFORE the electoral vote count. But they waited until after they were out of session to try and do something. It was too late by then.
So we have a New Democrat president, and we have a New Democrat controlled congress. I can’t predict the future, but with complete control of the presidency and congress I expect we will see a lot of corrupted behavior. We can see signing on to the UN gun policy or worse, we could see court packing, we could see forced political correctness, and we will see most of our taxpayer dollars going to pay off those that help steal the election for the democrats. We will now see our taxes raised back to Obama years per Biden’s own words. We will see more of BLM and Antifa demanding power and land than we are already seeing. And they will do it in a way that the naive will believe it is for their own good. It will remain to be seen how they will warp and/or corrupt our country and its systems. I am old and will see it happen in my lifetime. But I won’t live long enough to see all the ramifications and the long term fallout of what these politicians are going to do to us for at least the next 2 years.
Those who predicted a communications blackout are now saying “I told you so”. It has started by Twitter and FB. Trump’s accounts have been shut down for at least 12 hours or more. You will see more and more communications blackouts coming. The media is not your friend. Please keep coming back to this forum and share what you learned that the media won’t. Thanks for participating here. I have made a lot of friends here. I wish you all well and hope the democrats don’t hurt you and your families too bad.
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Lets see......broken windows and doors, offices with trash strewn about, furniture overturned, a quarter left on pelosi's desk done by people with no firearms or incendiary devices.
Yep. Sure. Insurrection.
Looks more like disdain and disgust for our current politicians and an open show of what people think of them.
Yeah yeah it was all wrong and all that but shows when people get frustrated after years of bullshit.
Insurrection my ass.
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In case some of you had not heard, the congress started counting the electoral votes again last night. And as expected Joe Biden was verified as the president elect.
I am disappointed in Pence that he didn’t do everything in his constitutional powers to allow a bipartisan panel to investigate the election tampering/fraud activity, I think if the panel were to find fraud then we would see the election completed per the constitution. If they didn’t find any fraud then it would assure the people that the election was clean. I believe this would have been the best scenario for all of us because transparency is something all of us want.
I am more disappointed and place most of the blame on the state legislatures in the 6 states where the fraud took place. They were still in session and had a chance to address all of the fraudulent activity and come to a proper transparent conclusion BEFORE the electoral vote count. But they waited until after they were out of session to try and do something. It was too late by then.
So we have a New Democrat president, and we have a New Democrat controlled congress. I can’t predict the future, but with complete control of the presidency and congress I expect we will see a lot of corrupted behavior. We can see signing on to the UN gun policy or worse, we could see court packing, we could see forced political correctness, and we will see most of our taxpayer dollars going to pay off those that help steal the election for the democrats. We will now see our taxes raised back to Obama years per Biden’s own words. We will see more of BLM and Antifa demanding power and land than we are already seeing. And they will do it in a way that the naive will believe it is for their own good. It will remain to be seen how they will warp and/or corrupt our country and its systems. I am old and will see it happen in my lifetime. But I won’t live long enough to see all the ramifications and the long term fallout of what these politicians are going to do to us for at least the next 2 years.
Those who predicted a communications blackout are now saying “I told you so”. It has started by Twitter and FB. Trump’s accounts have been shut down for at least 12 hours or more. You will see more and more communications blackouts coming. The media is not your friend. Please keep coming back to this forum and share what you learned that the media won’t. Thanks for participating here. I have made a lot of friends here. I wish you all well and hope the democrats don’t hurt you and your families too bad.
"I wish you all well and hope the democrats don’t hurt you and your families too bad."
I concur.
I rechecked that I had a good lawyer on speed dial.
I have nearly all the material to go "Off Grid". And have prepared
to expand the garden.
Still looking at a sailboat for Importation.
Y'all better get ready. If you aren't a "proper"
Democrat party member, it is going to get rough.
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Zuck said he banned trump for the rest of his term now.
But its all G biden won cause we still got the senate....oh wait.
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"I wish you all well and hope the democrats don’t hurt you and your families too bad."
I concur.
I rechecked that I had a good lawyer on speed dial.
I have nearly all the material to go "Off Grid". And have prepared
to expand the garden.
Still looking at a sailboat for Importation.
Y'all better get ready. If you aren't a "proper"
Democrat party member, it is going to get rough.
The real tragedy is that confidence in US institutions has been completely undermined for a large segment of the population, and with the guaranteed mismanagement of a Democrat controlled everything the rest of the population is soon to follow
One of the benefits of the death of free speech on the internet is that people are now forced to rebuild the more robust and rewarding networks in real life. There is no substitution for regularly meeting in person and in many ways the internet has limited our ability to effectively organize. Monthly meetings can be a lot of fun and get us out of the social media zombie like state. Plus it attracts new members who want to feel like they are actually part of something rather than just throwing more clicks down the click hole
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Zuck said he banned trump for the rest of his term now.
But its all G biden won cause we still got the senate....oh wait.
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Disappointed in Facebook, they have crossed another line.
Yup we lost the senate my big fear. We are not safe. Trump fucked everything.
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So, because the other side cheated, it’s all Trump fault? What about blaming all the cheats?
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There is no substitution for regularly meeting in person and in many ways the internet has limited our ability to effectively organize. Monthly meetings can be a lot of fun and get us out of the social media zombie like state. Plus it attracts new members who want to feel like they are actually part of something rather than just throwing more clicks down the click hole
Did I also mention the part that it also makes it more difficult for disinfo trolls? They would actually have to show up IRL where their personality games would get them a cold shoulder rather than a platform to hijack
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Did I also mention the part that it also makes it more difficult for disinfo trolls? They would actually have to show up IRL where their personality games would get them a cold shoulder rather than a platform to hijack
You should ask MassConfusion for some troll spray!
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The real tragedy is that confidence in US institutions has been completely undermined for a large segment of the population, and with the guaranteed mismanagement of a Democrat controlled everything the rest of the population is soon to follow
So does this mean, I was right all along that the American Republic that most people, on this forum knew, is officially gone?
It is amazing that I was stating the same things you are saying now for years and got flamed for it. So I was wrong then, but am correct now? Goes to show, who really had their eyes open, on what the US has become for decades long before today.
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So, because the other side cheated, it’s all Trump fault? What about blaming all the cheats?
I also put blame on libertarians. In some of the swing states, their vote for Trump could have won it for him. Or at least make the cheating more obvious. There reasoning is a lib doesn't have the votes to win. So it's a vote not for Trump is really a vote for Biden. And I'm gonna assume if a lib had to choose between Biden or Trump, most would go Trump because Biden is far worst.
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So, because the other side cheated, it’s all Trump fault? What about blaming all the cheats?
Still no proof of mass cheating. We will see in the years to come if you still don't believe. Its trump fault for alienating the non trump republicans, the independents etc. He might of also discouraged Trump voters from going out because of his false claims of mass fraud. We had evidence of this before as republican candidates got alot of split ticket votes. What we do know for sure is on election day republicans would not have lost both senate seats, but with Trump post election they did.
What we do have proof of is that Trumpism is not popular with everyone. Less than half the nation and low enough to lose the presidency, senate and house. Both Senate candidates embraced it, and both lost because of it.
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I also put blame on libertarians. In some of the swing states, their vote for Trump could have won it for him. Or at least make the cheating more obvious. There reasoning is a lib doesn't have the votes to win. So it's a vote not for Trump is really a vote for Biden. And I'm gonna assume if a lib had to choose between Biden or Trump, most would go Trump because Biden is far worst.
With that attitude their views will never be heard and we will be stuck with a 2 party system forever. I think it mostly came down to the independent votes. Trump clearly lost many of those.
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The real tragedy is that confidence in US institutions has been completely undermined for a large segment of the population, and with the guaranteed mismanagement of a Democrat controlled everything the rest of the population is soon to follow
One of the benefits of the death of free speech on the internet is that people are now forced to rebuild the more robust and rewarding networks in real life. There is no substitution for regularly meeting in person and in many ways the internet has limited our ability to effectively organize. Monthly meetings can be a lot of fun and get us out of the social media zombie like state. Plus it attracts new members who want to feel like they are actually part of something rather than just throwing more clicks down the click hole
I spent much of my working life putting together, running and documenting
meetings. It is a significant part of engineering teams and project engineering.
There are still "Meeting robbers" to contend with. They are like internet "Trolls".
It is also hard to gain trust so people will open up and tell you what they think,
not what they think you want to hear, and protect them, if that ends up being an
unpopular view, in a face to face environment.
Meetings are a lot of work if they are to be effective.
They are good for Team building most the time.
But I've been in some where people nearly came to blows.
Personally I think a mix of the two is optimal.
every once in a while you all need to get together
and talk face to face, eat together, talk story,
just prove you are all human. However much information
research and exchange can be done remotely.
Just my $0.02.
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Did I also mention the part that it also makes it more difficult for disinfo trolls? They would actually have to show up IRL where their personality games would get them a cold shoulder rather than a platform to hijack
I am guessing this is referring to me. I have said before, I am not trolling. In a post Covid world I would be happy to meet anyone here to discuses my views or have a conversation. Just because I have different views of the world than some people doesn't make me a troll. You are free to ignore me in RL or on the forum. But needless slander is unproductive. I don't insult you in every thread even though I find many of your views wrong.
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So does this mean, I was right all along that the American Republic that most people, on this forum knew, is officially gone?
It is amazing that I was stating the same things you are saying now for years and got flamed for it. So I was wrong then, but am correct now? Goes to show, who really had their eyes open, on what the US has become for decades long before today.
I believe you were claiming American Empire?
That is still here. The Republic died in 1913, with the passage of the 16th
and 17th Amendments. They gutted the basic structure
of power where the states powers were supreme
over the Federal government.
At this point If the Hawaiians could come up with nation along the lines
of the US Constitution, eg no Royalty or Castes, I'd be happy to support
secession and formation of a separate nation.
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In case some of you had not heard, the congress started counting the electoral votes again last night. And as expected Joe Biden was verified as the president elect.
I am disappointed in Pence that he didn’t do everything in his constitutional powers to allow a bipartisan panel to investigate the election tampering/fraud activity, I think if the panel were to find fraud then we would see the election completed per the constitution. If they didn’t find any fraud then it would assure the people that the election was clean. I believe this would have been the best scenario for all of us because transparency is something all of us want.
I am more disappointed and place most of the blame on the state legislatures in the 6 states where the fraud took place. They were still in session and had a chance to address all of the fraudulent activity and come to a proper transparent conclusion BEFORE the electoral vote count. But they waited until after they were out of session to try and do something. It was too late by then.
So we have a New Democrat president, and we have a New Democrat controlled congress. I can’t predict the future, but with complete control of the presidency and congress I expect we will see a lot of corrupted behavior. We can see signing on to the UN gun policy or worse, we could see court packing, we could see forced political correctness, and we will see most of our taxpayer dollars going to pay off those that help steal the election for the democrats. We will now see our taxes raised back to Obama years per Biden’s own words. We will see more of BLM and Antifa demanding power and land than we are already seeing. And they will do it in a way that the naive will believe it is for their own good. It will remain to be seen how they will warp and/or corrupt our country and its systems. I am old and will see it happen in my lifetime. But I won’t live long enough to see all the ramifications and the long term fallout of what these politicians are going to do to us for at least the next 2 years.
Those who predicted a communications blackout are now saying “I told you so”. It has started by Twitter and FB. Trump’s accounts have been shut down for at least 12 hours or more. You will see more and more communications blackouts coming. The media is not your friend. Please keep coming back to this forum and share what you learned that the media won’t. Thanks for participating here. I have made a lot of friends here. I wish you all well and hope the democrats don’t hurt you and your families too bad.
The elected officials in the swing states were not about to cast a spotlight on the depth and breadth of fraud, tampering and outright ballot box stuffing that went on in their states. That would then call into question their own illegitimate election wins -- past and future. They'd be biting the hand that feeds them.
When you control the umpires, the game is yours no matter how the game unfolds. It's been said for decades: you don't win elections by getting the most votes -- you win by being the one to count the votes.
We all have heard stories of people finding locked boxes full of ballots months and even years after an election that someone squirreled away. We hear about people being bussed in to vote from heavy leaning Democrat districts. The list goes on and on. Election stealing has been going on since elections began. To naively think that there's no fire when the smoke is too thick to breathe is both sad and terrifying. Believing what you're being told by the people being accused of cheating is just beyond stupid. "Did you cheat? No? Well then, nothing more to see here. Must be another conspiracy theory. WE WON!! GET OVER IT!!"
The feds are notorious for using the power of the purse to effect changes in states without the need to pass borderline unconstitutional laws. If the feds were to offer a few million to each state to buy, repair, maintain and CERTIFY TO A PROPER STANDARD a well-tested and unhackable set of voting and tabulating machines, it would be a start. There should never be a question of how many votes have been cast when polls close, how many have been counted, how many have yet to be counted, and what the running totals are. Nor should there EVER be a NEGATIVE number added to a vote count for any candidate without at least 5 officials from all parties witnessing and certifying as to the reason. I'm not aware of any way to cast a vote that subtracts a vote from someone.
Until we get the process under control -- which is really one of the most simple and basic processes known to exist: counting a set of things -- we can NEVER AGAIN have any trust in any election. Banks can reconcile millions of accounts and billions of dollars down to the penny and trace transactions back to the origin. Hospitals can manage billing of millions of patients each year and account for every single service and item the individuals and insurance companies owe them for. But somehow a few states (apparently only the swing states), with all the resources each has at their disposal, can't seem to give a number at the beginning of election night counting how many total ballots were cast in each county or precinct until after the count is done. This happened in FL under a corrupt elections official when Trump was winning. That Democrat was confused as to why people insisted on knowing how many ballots had yet to be counted.
Apparently some states have no idea how many ballots are left to count until the final ballot dump at 3AM the morning after polls closed -- with no security and no observers verifying the source of those ballots. ??? >:(
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The real tragedy is that confidence in US institutions has been completely undermined for a large segment of the population, and with the guaranteed mismanagement of a Democrat controlled everything the rest of the population is soon to follow
One of the benefits of the death of free speech on the internet is that people are now forced to rebuild the more robust and rewarding networks in real life. There is no substitution for regularly meeting in person and in many ways the internet has limited our ability to effectively organize. Monthly meetings can be a lot of fun and get us out of the social media zombie like state. Plus it attracts new members who want to feel like they are actually part of something rather than just throwing more clicks down the click hole
Well said! :thumbsup:
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So, because the other side cheated, it’s all Trump fault? What about blaming all the cheats?
Agreed. Who voted AGAINST Trump? I think those people are the ones that should be considered at fault here.
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Did I also mention the part that it also makes it more difficult for disinfo trolls? They would actually have to show up IRL where their personality games would get them a cold shoulder rather than a platform to hijack
Agreed. I’m getting tired of the trolls here myself.
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GTG’s. Get Togethers ! :D
Those were the days.
I probably couldn’t get away with half the shit I post on here if I hadn’t met a crap ton of members face to face via the old get togethers and buy and sell.
At least they know semi-where I’m coming from and that I’m a genuine guy.
Emcee DirtL
Buying the boots straight off another’s members feet
Zapping strangers with a “fake” zapper.
Yelling Pizza at 9 p.m.
Searching for Gongho.
Camaraderie
Helps when it’s time to Rally.
Hope is not lost.
The pendulum has swung and Carter was elected and we return to the Carter era.
But we can recover and keep the pendulum swinging.
Need to focus on protecting Constitutional rights, freedom and the 2A.
Need a good Candidate in 2024 and to re-take Congress in 2022.
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Need a good Candidate in 2024 and to re-take Congress in 2022.
:shaka:
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GTG’s. Get Togethers ! :D
Those were the days.
I probably couldn’t get away with half the shit I post on here if I hadn’t met a crap ton of members face to face via the old get togethers and buy and sell.
At least they know semi-where I’m coming from and that I’m a genuine guy.
Emcee DirtL
Buying the boots straight off another’s members feet
Zapping strangers with a “fake” zapper.
Yelling Pizza at 9 p.m.
Searching for Gongho.
Camaraderie
Helps when it’s time to Rally.
Hope is not lost.
The pendulum has swung and Carter was elected and we return to the Carter era.
But we can recover and keep the pendulum swinging.
Need to focus on protecting Constitutional rights, freedom and the 2A.
Need a good Candidate in 2024 and to re-take Congress in 2022.
I always passed on the previous get togethers and now am kind of regretting it. Sounds like you guys had a lot of fun
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GTG’s. Get Togethers ! :D
Those were the days.
I probably couldn’t get away with half the shit I post on here if I hadn’t met a crap ton of members face to face via the old get togethers and buy and sell.
At least they know semi-where I’m coming from and that I’m a genuine guy.
Emcee DirtL
Buying the boots straight off another’s members feet
Zapping strangers with a “fake” zapper.
Yelling Pizza at 9 p.m.
Searching for Gongho.
Camaraderie
Helps when it’s time to Rally.
Hope is not lost.
The pendulum has swung and Carter was elected and we return to the Carter era.
But we can recover and keep the pendulum swinging.
Need to focus on protecting Constitutional rights, freedom and the 2A.
Need a good Candidate in 2024 and to re-take Congress in 2022.
Yes, those were good times! :shaka: I miss them.
Carter was a bad president. He was incompetent. Not a Marxist like Obama. I took home less money in my check during the Carter years all the while making more gross! That was how bad inflation was under Carter. Only Obama was worse in my lifetime due to his socialist policies. Obama policies held back our economy and everyone one of us for not getting bigger and better raises/promotions and having to pay high taxes. For me personally in the 8 years he was president it hurt me financially to a great degree. I was making less or the same salary as I was making after he took office by the end of his term. And my rentals were going for the same rate for the entire 8 years he was in office. In the 4 years of Trump the value of the work that I performed was valued much higher so I was able to negotiate much higher salaries and I have increased the income from my rentals to a great extent. This has allowed me to keep my planned retirement date of March 13 of this year. Otherwise I was looking at working for another 3-4 years before I could retire or have to work during my retirement. Neither choice was what I planned for. No one planned for an Obama economy that grew at such a slow pace it hurt everyone in the country for 8 years.
But I believe Biden will be worse if he implements all the known bad and ineffective policies that he stated he would. Which are pretty much Obama’s policies. Going back to Obama era taxes and slowing the economy down to a crawl like Obama did will only hurt those who have to work hard for a living. Especially those who live paycheck to paycheck or who live below the poverty level. All these policies that are touted as fucking the rich only hurt the people that the policies are touted to help. The anti-gun policies and the court packing worry me the most.
You say we can recover and I agree we can. But it takes voting in the right politicians in the next election to do so. With all the fraud that went on in this election, how do we overcome what is now considered commonplace and normal for our elections in order to get a conservative back into office? I don’t know that we can. Yes I am a pessimist.
I’m jumping off my soapbox now.
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Going back to Obama era taxes and slowing the economy down to a crawl like Obama did will only hurt those who have to work hard for a living. Especially those who live paycheck to paycheck or who live below the poverty level. All these policies that are touted as fucking the rich only hurt the people that the policies are touted to help.
The irony is that these people will complain and not realize that they are the reason for it if they didn't vote for Trump.
The president of the Proud Boys HI chapter was seen in DC, inside the capitol. His pic is being plastered on social media. And they mention that he ran for rep (kakaako), but lost. Morons elected the same type of democrat politician and then grumble that HI is all jacked up. You can't make this stuff up.
Many also called him a white supremecist, even though he's married to a black woman and half the PB HI chapter are asian.
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more of this...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/adrian-tam-defeats-local-proud-boys-leader-becomes-1st-gay-n1246790 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/adrian-tam-defeats-local-proud-boys-leader-becomes-1st-gay-n1246790)
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GTG’s. Get Togethers ! :D
Those were the days.
I probably couldn’t get away with half the shit I post on here if I hadn’t met a crap ton of members face to face via the old get togethers and buy and sell.
At least they know semi-where I’m coming from and that I’m a genuine guy.
Emcee DirtL
Buying the boots straight off another’s members feet
Zapping strangers with a “fake” zapper.
Yelling Pizza at 9 p.m.
Searching for Gongho.
Camaraderie
Helps when it’s time to Rally.
Hope is not lost.
The pendulum has swung and Carter was elected and we return to the Carter era.
But we can recover and keep the pendulum swinging.
Need to focus on protecting Constitutional rights, freedom and the 2A.
Need a good Candidate in 2024 and to re-take Congress in 2022.
Old get togethers?
Seems like we need to start a new get togethers. I’ll bring the maduros!
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Old get togethers?
Seems like we need to start a new get togethers. I’ll bring the maduros!
Venison or wild boar?
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Searching for Gongho.
Helps when it’s time to Rally.
Gongho :rofl:
And yes, when it comes time for use to “lobby” to maintain our rights, friendly faces, or at least familiar faces really help.
Funny thing is that I’ve been to many events, including the Capitol where folks that I’ve seen at the range and even shot with many times don’t recognize me. I guess I look like a bum when I’m at the range. :(
:rofl:
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Was listening to a podcast and this is all part of the plan. At this point, idk how biden taking office can be stopped. I call BS.
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Shit Obama era.
I forgot about President Harris.....
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Shit Obama era.
I forgot about President Harris.....
TBH Barry never pushed much gun control. The main thing that did pass was the gun free school zone, which was Biden's project. No bans on bump stocks, P80's, etc... all that have been around during his reign.
So that does give me a glimmer of hope that it won't be as bad as we think it will be. But I could be totally wrong, only time will tell.
If you want to be entertained, listen to the X22 podcast.
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TBH Barry never pushed much gun control. The main thing that did pass was the gun free school zone, which was Biden's project. No bans on bump stocks, P80's, etc... all that have been around during his reign.
So that does give me a glimmer of hope that it won't be as bad as we think it will be. But I could be totally wrong, only time will tell.
If you want to be entertained, listen to the X22 podcast.
Obama did allow the BATF to try and push the ban on ammunition that failed. I think it was the green tip ammo if I remember correctly.
What worries me is Biden has tapped Butigeg or whatever his name is to be his gun czar. He is hell bent on going after the AR’s.
I listen to the two X22 reports every day. Is the podcast different than those 2 reports? Or are they one in the same?
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TBH Barry never pushed much gun control. The main thing that did pass was the gun free school zone, which was Biden's project. No bans on bump stocks, P80's, etc... all that have been around during his reign.
So that does give me a glimmer of hope that it won't be as bad as we think it will be. But I could be totally wrong, only time will tell.
If you want to be entertained, listen to the X22 podcast.
Be more wary of what you don't see. You know like Muhamma Ali. Distract you with waving his lead hand out front, then wham, what you don't see coming bites you in the a$$. That's what I believe a lot of people still don't see from our great Divider in Chief, Messiah Obama.
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Obama did allow the BATF to try and push the ban on ammunition that failed. I think it was the green tip ammo if I remember correctly.
What worries me is Biden has tapped Butigeg or whatever his name is to be his gun czar. He is hell bent on going after the AR’s.
Well, I just bought a second home on the mailland in a pro-2A state, so Bidet can try what he wants.
Ammo does worry me, can only ferry so much per flight over there.
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TBH Barry never pushed much gun control. The main thing that did pass was the gun free school zone, which was Biden's project. No bans on bump stocks, P80's, etc... all that have been around during his reign.
So that does give me a glimmer of hope that it won't be as bad as we think it will be. But I could be totally wrong, only time will tell.
If you want to be entertained, listen to the X22 podcast.
He never pushed it because at the time it was still taboo like to say we are coming after your guns. They were still saying things like “no ones coming after your guns”.
Now we have a president who campaigned on taking guns away and he still “won”. They now have the ability to do whatever the hell they want. All we can do is hope for the best, and hope we make it to 2022 without too much damage where we can hopefully vote out those piece of shit rinos.
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Be more wary of what you don't see. You know like Muhamma Ali. Distract you with waving his lead hand out front, then wham, what you don't see coming bites you in the a$$. That's what I believe a lot of people still don't see from our great Divider in Chief, Messiah Obama.
Your hands can't hit what your eyes don't see, float like a butterfly sting like a bee!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210108/f1ffbee2e5b28651451135e9a927be12.gif)
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Obama did allow the BATF to try and push the ban on ammunition that failed. I think it was the green tip ammo if I remember correctly.
What worries me is Biden has tapped Butigeg or whatever his name is to be his gun czar. He is hell bent on going after the AR’s.
I listen to the two X22 reports every day. Is the podcast different than those 2 reports? Or are they one in the same?
He did push, but it never passed. And also with bump stocks. Pushed but nothing passed.
I listen to x22 via radio.com website. And the HI radio station 95.9 that I mentioned previously has similar talking points. In fact, for the first time, the DJ referenced X22. And both have ads about survival food.
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Article on protest at Capitol.
https://wethepeoplejournal.org/bizarre-video-shows-police-officer-directing-lethargic-leader-of-small-mob-dressed-in-all-black-to-senate-chamberswhy/
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TBH Barry never pushed much gun control. The main thing that did pass was the gun free school zone, which was Biden's project. No bans on bump stocks, P80's, etc... all that have been around during his reign.
So that does give me a glimmer of hope that it won't be as bad as we think it will be. But I could be totally wrong, only time will tell.
If you want to be entertained, listen to the X22 podcast.
He pushed gun control as a policy, but as with many of his agenda items, he was inept.
He made Social Security recipients who were using a third party to manage their finances automatically deemed mentally incompetent and therefore ineligible to own guns even without a mental fitness evaluation. Trump reversed that Executive Order.
Obama tried to ban green tip .223/5.56 ammo as "armor piercing", but the ATF "forgot" to allow for public input and had to roll that one back, too.
Obama signed an executive order making it illegal to import certain Russian-made firearms and receivers, namely those produced by the Kalashnikov Concern (formerly Izhmash) which were sold in the US as Saiga rifles and shotguns. Trump could have repealed that order, but with all the Russian sanctions going on, it would be unwise to give the Russians the ability to sell their weapons here and not other products we could use.
He attempted to reinstate the assault weapons ban (this time to include many more weapons than before -- Feinstein drafted the bill), "high capacity" magazine bans, and universal background checks. If it had not been for the timing of Sandy Hook, he might have gotten all of that passed. Sandy Hook was in Dec 2012. The Democrats maintained control of the Congress the first 2 years of Obama's first term: 2009-2011. If not for Republicans controlling the House in 2012, and then the Senate in 2014, Obama might have gotten much more of his gun control agenda passed into law.
Maybe one of the good things to come from ACA is the Dems were so hyper-focused on passing it that they ignored almost every other bill they could have also forced on us.