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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Redtail on April 01, 2010, 09:17:42 AM
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A gun battle Tuesday night in Wahiawā that left three men injured was the second violent outburst at the home in a little more than a year.
The house at 133 Kīlea Place also was the scene of a home- invasion robbery on Feb. 17, 2009, involving four gunmen wearing black hooded jackets.
The latest incident occurred at about 10:30 p.m. Tuesday when a car pulled up in front of the home and two men got out armed with handguns and plastic zip ties, police said.
The gunmen ordered two women, ages 26 and 24, and a 27-year-old man to go back in the house. A 28-year-old man who was told to remain outside began struggling with the two intruders when one of their guns went off, according to police.
During the fracas, one of the gunmen pointed his weapon at the 28-year-old, at which point the older of the two women came back out of the house and fired a single shot at the intruders, triggering an exchange of gunfire, police said.
The skirmish lasted a few seconds before the man and woman were able to retreat into their house while the two gunmen, one of them critically wounded, ran to a waiting silver Volkswagen Jetta and sped off.
Patrol officers stopped a vehicle on California Avenue about 2 1/4 miles away and arrested its three occupants on suspicion of attempted first-degree murder.
The driver of the car was identified as Robert Logsdon III, 31, of a Lumikula Street address in the Crestview area of Waipahu. One of the passengers, Floyd Orsborn, 23, of a Koauka Loop address in the Pearlridge area, was taken to The Queen's Medical Center in critical condition with multiple gunshot wounds.
Another passenger, Shane Reginald Flores, 38, who did not furnish a local address, was taken to Queen's in stable condition with a single gunshot wound.
Bryan Cheplic, spokesman for the city Emergency Services Department, said a man who lives at the Kilea Place address was later taken in stable condition to a hospital, where he was treated for a single gunshot wound.
Police said that in the 2009 robbery, armed intruders tied up a man and a woman, both in their 20s, took items and money, then fled in the woman's car, which was later found abandoned on Mililani Cemetery Road.
Two of the three men arrested in connection with yesterday's incident have extensive criminal records, according to the Hawai'i Criminal Justice Data Center.
Flores was sentenced to up to 20 years in prison in December 1995 for manslaughter. He also has felony convictions for terroristic threatening, unlawful imprisonment and second- degree theft.
Logsdon's felony record includes multiple burglary convictions, most recently in 2002, and convictions for second- degree theft and multiple car break-ins.
Reach David Waite at dwaite@honoluluadvertiser.com.
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Thanks Redtail. I cleaned up the formatting a little on the article to make it easier to read.
That story is just crazy. I wonder if gunmen knew the man they were targeting. Good job on the part of the older woman saving the man. It looks like she wasn't arrested.
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The 24 year old woman must be a pretty good shot. I wonder why this particular location and people are the target of this robbery?
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Is it legal to publish the address of the occupants? Would this endanger their lives if the suspects have friends? I didn't even like the way the media worded it "Wahiawa Gunfight", when I first saw it online I never thought it's a self defense. They're like saying that ones you own guns you're a magnet to gunfight.
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So now to confuse the situation even more, the police released the three suspects they had arrested without charges. Maybe their wounds were punishment enough? ???
Police have released, without charges, three men arrested following a shooting that wounded three men in Wahiawā Tuesday night.
Two of the men remain hospitalized with gunshot wounds.
Released pending further investigation were Floyd Orsborn, 23; Shane Reginald Flores, 38; and Robert Logsdon III, 31.
Orsborn was critically injured with multiple gunshot wounds. Flores had been shot once in the leg.
A third man, who lives at the Kīlea Place home where the shooting happened, was treated at a hospital for a single gunshot wound.
Police said there was an exchange of gunfire at the home when armed men arrived at the house about 10:30 p.m. Two armed men struggled with a man who had been in the house, and a gun went off, police said. A woman came out of the house and shot at the intruders, triggering an exchange of gunfire before the intruders drove off.
The three people arrested were in the car that left the house and that was picked up by police in Wahiawā town.
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Did anyone catch the report on KHON2 the night of the event? At the end of the report they were talking to a couple of lawyers and one apparently said something to the effect that "sometimes people are happy when the vigilantes are successful...." apparently referring to the woman that shot the assailants. The other statment I caught said that you had to be careful when defending yourself as "sometimes it is easy to go from the victim to the aggressor..." or something to that effect.
I tried to go to the KHON website but the story (video and print) seemed to have been edited to remove those parts.
I am trying to verify if those statements were said as if they were, I think it was extrmely inappropriate to equate a clear case of self-defense with vigilantism. And then to suggest that as a victim of a violent crime that somehow you need to be careful not to become the aggressor.....well lets just say I wasn't happy....anybody else see that original broadcast and hear the same thing?
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Here, maybe this is the video (http://www.khon2.com/news/local/story/Using-Deadly-Force-in-Self-Defense/c9KTYWYP-EGBa7KWoSKYqA.cspx) you were looking for. It did say all those things you mentioned above.
The introduction to the story sounded like Joe Moore was upset that the woman wasn't charged, but I think that's just the way he talks. I haven't really watched KHON in a while.
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Just got done watching the link from 2A. I totally agree with you HICarry. Here's the media doing what they do best again.... So according to this, the female shooter will not face any criminal charges???
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Just got done watching the link from 2A. I totally agree with you HICarry. Here's the media doing what they do best again.... So according to this, the female shooter will not face any criminal charges???
My understanding is that the female shooter will not be charged, which, IMHO, is the way it should be. I don't have a problem with the police detaining, and even charging, someone involved in a shooting, if the circumstances are not clear. But, in this case it seems pretty clear. There was a case a few years ago where a resident ended up stabbing a guy who did a home invasion and was chocking his wife when the homeowner stabbed him. The perp had tried 2 other times earlier in the day to break into the appartment and police reports were filed. Despite the clear and obvious need for self-defense in that situation, the homeower was jailed over the weekend while his recently assaulted wife was left at home in an apartment that was unsecure 'cause the perp broke the door. On the following Monday, Peter Carlisle said the husband would be released as it was an "clear case of self-defense." That particular case seemed to be a result of HPD's longstanding dictum that in any killing or serious injury, even if clearly self-defense, that someone will be arrested. So, maybe that dictum has changed????
2A - thanks for the link.
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thanks for the incite hicarry. interesting news these days, you think the preps are connected to the home robbery in mililani?? i think a lot of people getting desperate these days...
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thanks for the incite hicarry. interesting news these days, you think the preps are connected to the home robbery in mililani?? i think a lot of people getting desperate these days...
I don't know if they are related, but if they are, I certainly wouldn't be surprised. Most crimes are committed by the same relatively small group(s)....
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Here, maybe this is the video (http://www.khon2.com/news/local/story/Using-Deadly-Force-in-Self-Defense/c9KTYWYP-EGBa7KWoSKYqA.cspx) you were looking for. It did say all those things you mentioned above.
I was surprised that both attorneys made such blatant pro-self-defense statements. Good find on the link 2a.
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Here, maybe this is the video (http://www.khon2.com/news/local/story/Using-Deadly-Force-in-Self-Defense/c9KTYWYP-EGBa7KWoSKYqA.cspx) you were looking for. It did say all those things you mentioned above.
I was surprised that both attorneys made such blatant pro-self-defense statements. Good find on the link 2a.
Both were defense attorneys....and while I tend to agree with them, just remember, despite their confidence that in the circumstances they describe as impossible to loose, you still must pony up considerable amounts of money for their legal expertise to defend yourself in court....
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Here, maybe this is the video (http://www.khon2.com/news/local/story/Using-Deadly-Force-in-Self-Defense/c9KTYWYP-EGBa7KWoSKYqA.cspx) you were looking for. It did say all those things you mentioned above.
I was surprised that both attorneys made such blatant pro-self-defense statements. Good find on the link 2a.
Both were defense attorneys....and while I tend to agree with them, just remember, despite their confidence that in the circumstances they describe as impossible to loose, you still must pony up considerable amounts of money for their legal expertise to defend yourself in court....
Ah, so perhaps they were both just ensuring future business. ;D
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So the 3 men were finally indicted (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20100415/NEWS20/4150339). It looks like two of the men were serial-criminals and had a good amount of drugs on them.
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The prosecutor said Flores has been arrested 18 times and has been convicted of crimes including assault, kidnapping and robbery. Orsborn has no previous record but Logsdon has been arrested 30 times, with convictions for burglary, theft and auto theft, according to Kapp.
That's how you know there is something fundamentally flawed with our legal system when a person can have this many arrests and still be out and about commiting crimes.
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The prosecutor said Flores has been arrested 18 times and has been convicted of crimes including assault, kidnapping and robbery. Orsborn has no previous record but Logsdon has been arrested 30 times, with convictions for burglary, theft and auto theft, according to Kapp.
That's how you know there is something fundamentally flawed with our legal system when a person can have this many arrests and still be out and about commiting crimes.
I agree!
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Does anyone know what type of firearm the homeowner used?