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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Glasser on January 28, 2021, 08:37:48 AM
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https://justthenews.com/government/security/airlines-sudden-ban-flying-locked-firearm-strands-passengers-sparks-gun-rights
Airlines in the U.S. temporarily banning some passengers from flying with their locked guns in luggage bays – with little to no advanced notice – is forcing them to cancel trips and spend hundreds of dollars on backup plans, while arguing that their Second Amendment rights are being trampled.
Alaska, American, Delta, Southwest and United airlines on Jan. 14 announced the ban on passengers flying into Washington-area airports with their firearms, citing the Jan. 6 breach of the U.S. Capitol Building. The airlines also cited the upcoming presidential inauguration, though federal law allows guns on all flights so long as they're locked in a hardshell case and surrendered to an airline employee at check-in.
Allison Wallen, a Baltimore resident, ran into problems while on a recent trip to Las Vegas to attend a firearms training program.
When she arrived at the Southwest check-in counter to return home Jan. 17, the day the ban went into effect, she was told the gun would not accompany her.
"No call, no email, no text. Nothing," Wallen said about the airline's effort to alert her about the ban, which has now been extended until Jan. 31. "I'm from Maryland. Who was going to hold my gun? It is very unconstitutional to say the least. They made it hard for responsible gun owners."
Wallen said she even called the airline before arriving at the Vegas airport but was not informed on the call about the ban.
Wallen scrambled unsuccessfully at the airport to learn whether FedEx or UPS could ship the gun, then finally connected with a friend in the area who agreed to hold the firearm until the ban was lifted.
She said the ordeal resulted in her having to stay another night in a hotel and rent another car. And she'll eventually have to take another roundtrip flight to Vegas to retrieve the firearm, all of which, including extra meals and missed work, she figures will cost her "about a thousand dollars."
A Transportation Security Administration spokesperson last week acknowledged that the federal agency, created after the 9/11 terror attacks, had "implemented enhanced security leading up to the inauguration."
However, the spokesperson referred specific questions about the ban to the individual airlines.
Southwest posted a notice about the ban on its website several days before it went into effect and issued a media statement.
Airline spokesperson Brian Parrish told Just the News on Friday that Southwest also sent pre-trip emails to customers scheduled to fly to or from the three major airports serving the nation's capital.
Wallen said she double-checked her personal and work accounts, even looking through messages received several days before her trip, and found no such email.
She said on Tuesday that Southwest having extended the ban 11 days after the inauguration is yet another concern.
"What happens if the gun gets stolen?" she asked. "Am I liable?"
Mark Olivia, the National Shooting Sports Foundation's director of public affairs, said the airlines have been the recipients of taxpayer funds and are now limiting taxpayers from traveling with a firearm.
Olivia, a Marine Corps veteran, stressed that he never wants to see anything like what happened at the Capitol on Jan. 6. But he also does not want citizens to be treated like a safety or criminal concern when they have been following the law.
"It becomes very concerning," he told Just the News. "Of course airlines are private companies. They can do as they choose. The concern about it is now you're limiting the freedom of movement for law abiding citizens."
"I can tell you my own personal plans have had to shift," added Olivia, who said he has changed his trips for this duck hunting season.
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The temporary ban sucks but it was supposed to done on the 23rd.
If southwest extends their ban then people will choose a different carrier and they lose money.
Too bad for them. They shot themselves in the foot.
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Look for a 100% ban soon now that the DHS has targeted conservatives as terrorists.
A leftist false flag event will guarantee it.
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InB4 It's OK cause the 2a is so the government cannot ban your guns.
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The temporary ban sucks but it was supposed to done on the 23rd.
The anti-riot fencing around the US Capitol was supposed to be 'temporary' but today they announced it will be permanent.
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DC Democrats playing the victim card -- wailing about an unverified, nonspecific "threat".
If Biden received the most votes of any President in history (from legit voters), I'll eat my MAGA hat.
The use of the military to protect the Capital and DC buildings is NOT the behavior of someone who believes they were legitimately elected by more than half the voters.
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DC Democrats playing the victim card -- wailing about an unverified, nonspecific "threat".
If Biden received the most votes of any President in history (from legit voters), I'll eat my MAGA hat.
The use of the military to protect the Capital and DC buildings is NOT the behavior of someone who believes they were legitimately elected by more than half the voters.
Pelosi yesterday or today said that Republicans in the house have been threatening the Democrat members with violence and death. She pointed a finger at the Glock Girl who just got elected as proof.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/05/rep-lauren-boebert-loads-gun-walks-around-dc-in-new-video/
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Pelosi yesterday or today said that Republicans in the house have been threatening the Democrat members with violence and death. She pointed a finger at the Glock Girl who just got elected as proof.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/05/rep-lauren-boebert-loads-gun-walks-around-dc-in-new-video/
Why do Democrats hate anything of beauty?
(https://www.reedcooper.net/uploads/1/0/8/5/108527623/nancy-pelosi-full_orig.jpg)
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The use of the military to protect the Capital and DC buildings is NOT the behavior of someone who believes they were legitimately elected by more than half the voters.
100% on point Flapp.
Such behavior is usually taken by empires to protect the power okole, from uprisings led by the betrayed and exploited masses.
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Why do Democrats hate anything of beauty?
(https://www.reedcooper.net/uploads/1/0/8/5/108527623/nancy-pelosi-full_orig.jpg)
ren, your killing me with your pictures!
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DHS is now saying folks who dont like Biden and the Democrats are Domestic Terrorists and their neighbors should report them.
https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-january-27-2021
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The US empire is now saying folks who dont like Biden and the Democrats are Domestic Terrorists and their neighbors should report them.
https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-january-27-2021
I had to correct your assessment above. In essence, the US empire is making clear that its subjects must accept the preselected stooges that the population are allowed to vote into office. This time it is a senile old fool, from the Democratic Party. Next time, Trump notwithstanding, it will be the Republican Party's corrupted version.
Business as usual.
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DHS is now saying folks who dont like Biden and the Democrats are Domestic Terrorists and their neighbors should report them.
https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-january-27-2021
From the bulletin;
" How You Can Help
We ask the public to report suspicious activity and threats of violence, including online activity, to local law enforcement, FBI Field Offices, or their local Fusion Center."
No, I will not cooperate with any Democrat police agency.
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DC Democrats playing the victim card -- wailing about an unverified, nonspecific "threat".
If Biden received the most votes of any President in history (from legit voters), I'll eat my MAGA hat.
The use of the military to protect the Capital and DC buildings is NOT the behavior of someone who believes they were legitimately elected by more than half the voters.
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Exactly what I was thinking the moment they installed fences and brought inn thousands of troops.
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From the bulletin;
" How You Can Help
We ask the public to report suspicious activity and threats of violence, including online activity, to local law enforcement, FBI Field Offices, or their local Fusion Center."
No, I will not cooperate with any Democrat police agency.
Hey now, not so fast. Maybe we should report Karl Rhodes to DHS for not being Communist enough.
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DC Democrats playing the victim card -- wailing about an unverified, nonspecific "threat".
If Biden received the most votes of any President in history (from legit voters), I'll eat my MAGA hat.
The use of the military to protect the Capital and DC buildings is NOT the behavior of someone who believes they were legitimately elected by more than half the voters.
I am not a big Tucker fan, but he is summing it up pretty well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdA-4eiCIe8.
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That Tucker Carlson video above is exactly correct. Basically, the Biden administration is afraid of the otheŕ half of the country that didn't vote for him.
So they are demonizing half of the country. You don't unify people by demonizing them.
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In the Tucker video John Brennan said that American citizens who own firearms and did not vote for Biden poses a threat as domestic terrorists.
I did not vote for biden. I am a law abiding citizen. I've owned firearms for 41 years. I am not a domestic terrorist.
biden said that he will be the president for those who voted for him AND for those who voted against him. He will be the president for ALL Americans.
Well, he'd better go talk to his people because evidently they didn't get the message. They seem to be declaring war on half the people in this country.
Half the country didn't vote for biden. Half the country is getting more frustrated, angry, and isolated because the democrats are labeling them enemies and potential domestic terrorists.
Instead of extending an olive branch these f*ckn democrats are declaring war. F*ck them.
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In the Tucker video John Brennan said that American citizens who own firearms and did not vote for Biden poses a threat as domestic terrorists.
I did not vote for biden. I am a law abiding citizen. I've owned firearms for 41 years. I am not a domestic terrorist.
biden said that he will be the president for those who voted for him AND for those who voted against him. He will be the president for ALL Americans.
Well, he'd better go talk to his people because evidently they didn't get the message. They seem to be declaring war on half the people in this country.
Half the country didn't vote for biden. Half the country is getting more frustrated, angry, and isolated because the democrats are labeling them enemies and potential domestic terrorists.
Instead of extending an olive branch these f*ckn democrats are declaring war. F*ck them.
You're dancing around the obvious while stating the facts.
They are trying to PROVOKE us "terrorists" so they can then take away our ability to defend against them.
The stolen election was so open and obvious, the outcome couldn't help but provoke violence in some form or another, especially with ANTIFA Leftists leading the charge against the Capital.
It's a continuation of the gas lighting of the country. Keep acting like dictators, then call people who believe they are dictators conspiracy theorists and domestic terrorists for believing the truth.
ANTIFA and BLM protestors learned this tactic. Keep harassing a Cop until they have to push you away, then fall to the ground screaming police brutality. Much like a rceiver in the NFL does to draw a pass interference call.
Provoke, then play the victim. It'll justify a more severe response.
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In the Tucker video John Brennan said that American citizens who own firearms and did not vote for Biden poses a threat as domestic terrorists.
Brennan converted to Islam and voted for Communist candidates in US elections (so has Comey). We used to not give security clearances to folks like that, let alone give them top positions in the Government. Also Brennan has always had a big mouth in the press and talked shit about every Republican administration. He was front and center on a PBS FRONTLINE episode talking smack about Bush Jr and invading Iraq. Real intel professionals dont go around talking about situations they havent been read in on. He is human garbage and the people under him in the CIA were pretty vocal about what a POS he was when he was in charge.
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https://thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-trump-supporter-flagged-with-facial-recognition-technology-at-airport-interrogated-by-dhs-fbi
A Trump supporter who attended the peaceful rally that preceded the Capitol Hill riot revealed to The Post Millennial that she was flagged with facial recognition technology and interrogated by Homeland Security while flying home from vacation last week. Then FBI agents appeared at her house.
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When Kurtbek landed in Newark Liberty National Airport last Monday, she was stopped at Customs and Immigration and then taken into the airport's interrogation room.
The responding Homeland Security officer informed Kurtbek that she was flagged with facial recognition technology as a participant in the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol when radicals breached federal property.
Kurtbek explained that she did travel to Washington to attend the Jan. 6 pro-Trump rally, but she was nowhere near where the siege occurred. She questioned how it was possible that she was associated with the few extremists who stormed the Capitol building when the majority of rally-goers were peaceful and respectful.
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After her initial shock, Kurtbek responded to the interview questions while the personnel searched her phone and scrutinized the photos stored on her device.
Kurtbek speculated that if the officer was not as reasonable, she could have been kept there for an indefinite period. "There would have been absolutely nothing I could have done," she suggested. "There is really no way to know what lengths they could have taken this."
"I had been flagged by my government as a potential domestic terrorist simply because I attended a rally in support of the president," Kurtbek said, reflecting on the situation. "Our rights as American citizens have been removed and the government is using this incident to intimidate those with differing views into compliance."
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Later that week on Friday night, two FBI agents appeared at her front door, informing Kurtbek that the bureau had received two reports from anonymous sources claiming that she was inside the Capitol building during the incident. The agents cited a screenshot captured from a CNN video that depicted a woman identified by authorities as Kurtbek.
"Since I know I was nowhere near the Capitol, I laughed and asked to see the photo and if it was possible to know who identified me because they are absolutely lying and wasting taxpayer money by sending them both out to my home," Kurtbek recounted.
When she prompted the main officer for his business card, he said he was out and flashed his badge. Kurtbek also asked if she could record the conversation, but her request was denied.
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So the program to systematically identify and incarcerate all enemies, of the US empire, is in full-swing.
All the empire needs now is some American patriots to make a mistake or be set-up, by its FBI COINTELPRO operatives, and then their current puppet Biden can declare a national emergency or martial law to enact a temporary-to-long-term suspension, of the Bill of Rights, particularly the 1st, 2nd, and 6th Amendment.
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https://thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-trump-supporter-flagged-with-facial-recognition-technology-at-airport-interrogated-by-dhs-fbi
A Trump supporter who attended the peaceful rally that preceded the Capitol Hill riot revealed to The Post Millennial that she was flagged with facial recognition technology and interrogated by Homeland Security while flying home from vacation last week. Then FBI agents appeared at her house.
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When Kurtbek landed in Newark Liberty National Airport last Monday, she was stopped at Customs and Immigration and then taken into the airport's interrogation room.
The responding Homeland Security officer informed Kurtbek that she was flagged with facial recognition technology as a participant in the domestic terrorist attack on the Capitol when radicals breached federal property.
Kurtbek explained that she did travel to Washington to attend the Jan. 6 pro-Trump rally, but she was nowhere near where the siege occurred. She questioned how it was possible that she was associated with the few extremists who stormed the Capitol building when the majority of rally-goers were peaceful and respectful.
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After her initial shock, Kurtbek responded to the interview questions while the personnel searched her phone and scrutinized the photos stored on her device.
Kurtbek speculated that if the officer was not as reasonable, she could have been kept there for an indefinite period. "There would have been absolutely nothing I could have done," she suggested. "There is really no way to know what lengths they could have taken this."
"I had been flagged by my government as a potential domestic terrorist simply because I attended a rally in support of the president," Kurtbek said, reflecting on the situation. "Our rights as American citizens have been removed and the government is using this incident to intimidate those with differing views into compliance."
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Later that week on Friday night, two FBI agents appeared at her front door, informing Kurtbek that the bureau had received two reports from anonymous sources claiming that she was inside the Capitol building during the incident. The agents cited a screenshot captured from a CNN video that depicted a woman identified by authorities as Kurtbek.
"Since I know I was nowhere near the Capitol, I laughed and asked to see the photo and if it was possible to know who identified me because they are absolutely lying and wasting taxpayer money by sending them both out to my home," Kurtbek recounted.
When she prompted the main officer for his business card, he said he was out and flashed his badge. Kurtbek also asked if she could record the conversation, but her request was denied.
Sorry but I would have kept quiet and not give them access to my phone. When they came to her house she should have kept quiet and told them to arrest her or leave her alone then gently close the door. Burden of proof is on the FBI. Passive defiant..... :grrr:
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I think this is problematic but what is the remedy? Would we get a bill mandating that airlines have to accept firearms on airplanes?
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I think this is problematic but what is the remedy? Would we get a bill mandating that airlines have to accept firearms on airplanes?
No need for Congress to get involved. They would make the process too difficult for gun owners and airlines.
The FAA and TSA have the ability to pass rules for airlines. Just need the executive branch to sign another Executive Order. Biden's already signed close to 50 of them in just 2 weeks in office. Surely one that supports the Constitution for those who fly won't be a problem. :popcorn: