Post by: macsak on January 28, 2021, 08:32:20 PM
Post by: ren on January 28, 2021, 08:53:43 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on January 30, 2021, 09:28:21 AM
I'm glad some journalists have maintained that standard.
Post by: groveler on January 30, 2021, 12:54:27 PM
America doesn't make Solar panels, it assembles panels from cells made overseas.
The whole solar thing is a joke, as is wind.
Add to that Solar only makes sense in Hawaii because we have pretty much the most expensive
electricity costs in the world and can recover personally owned solar costs
and save for replacement panels and batteries cheaper than buying electricity
from the government protected/regulated utilities.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 30, 2021, 01:49:11 PM
Typical MSM and Democrat party Propaganda.on fact checking and Kameltoe worship.
America doesn't make Solar panels, it assembles panels from cells made overseas.
The whole solar thing is a joke, as is wind.
Add to that Solar only makes sense in Hawaii because we have pretty much the most expensive
electricity costs in the world and can recover personally owned solar costs
and save for replacement panels and batteries cheaper than buying electricity
from the government protected/regulated utilities.
That, and Hawaii is one of the few places with dense populations that also have nearly year-round sunny days. The more people in a concentrated area, the more solar farms make sense over individual home systems.
One of the reasons we can't cut emissions much with solar adoption is the power plants still have to produce power at night and during overcast days. They also have to provide electricity to businesses that can't operate on the smaller amount of power generated by solar versus what the power plants provide, such as places that operate manufacturing machinery or massive water pumps.
Given that power plant generators that use fossil fuels can't be stopped and started at will, they have to run 24/7 even if the solar power generated is enough to take one offline in daylight.
Then there's the power grid. HECO estimated they can handle power generated by solar homes and businesses up to about 20% of capacity. After that, the transmission process can't absorb more electricity while keeping the required number of generators working, too. Maybe a massive investment in the grid could change that, but then everyone who pays into the HECO kitty would have their rates increased substantially, and we already pay the most per kWH for electricity in the US.
BTW, If you noticed your power bills going down last year, you can thank Trump and the energy independence he provided the US with fracking and the XL pipeline. When oil prices start to rise, which I guarantee is going to start immediately, our power bills will also rise due to our continued use of oil to generate electricity.
Post by: omnigun on January 30, 2021, 04:22:41 PM
That, and Hawaii is one of the few places with dense populations that also have nearly year-round sunny days. The more people in a concentrated area, the more solar farms make sense over individual home systems.
One of the reasons we can't cut emissions much with solar adoption is the power plants still have to produce power at night and during overcast days. They also have to provide electricity to businesses that can't operate on the smaller amount of power generated by solar versus what the power plants provide, such as places that operate manufacturing machinery or massive water pumps.
Given that power plant generators that use fossil fuels can't be stopped and started at will, they have to run 24/7 even if the solar power generated is enough to take one offline in daylight.
Then there's the power grid. HECO estimated they can handle power generated by solar homes and businesses up to about 20% of capacity. After that, the transmission process can't absorb more electricity while keeping the required number of generators working, too. Maybe a massive investment in the grid could change that, but then everyone who pays into the HECO kitty would have their rates increased substantially, and we already pay the most per kWH for electricity in the US.
BTW, If you noticed your power bills going down last year, you can thank Trump and the energy independence he provided the US with fracking and the XL pipeline. When oil prices start to rise, which I guarantee is going to start immediately, our power bills will also rise due to our continued use of oil to generate electricity.
Wind, harvest ocean waves. Solar isn't the only option. Store electricity gained in the day in batteries for the night. Many options. I would not mind paying more money for less environmental impact. Hope Biden suspends all oil subsidies.
Post by: ren on January 30, 2021, 04:45:30 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 30, 2021, 04:48:14 PM
Wind, harvest ocean waves. Solar isn't the only option. Store electricity gained in the day in batteries for the night. Many options. I would not mind paying more money for less environmental impact. Hope Biden suspends all oil subsidies.
Really?
When are you going to start? When someone else "funds" you?
:sleeping: :sleeping:
Post by: aletheuo137 on January 30, 2021, 04:57:19 PM
Really?How about a hamster on a wheel?
When are you going to start? When someone else "funds" you?
:sleeping: :sleeping:
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Post by: omnigun on January 30, 2021, 05:43:40 PM
Really?
When are you going to start? When someone else "funds" you?
:sleeping: :sleeping:
Nope raise prices at the pump. I will gladly pay myself. Till I go electric. A reasonable increase in electricity or tax, wouldn't be off the table. Though I figure if we stop oil subsidies a tax increase isnt necessary. We be saving many billions.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 30, 2021, 05:59:54 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 30, 2021, 06:07:53 PM
Nope raise prices at the pump. I will gladly pay myself. Till I go electric. A reasonable increase in electricity or tax, I wouldn't be off the table. Though I figure if we stop oil subsidies a tax increase isnt necessary. We be saving many billions.
What else would you pay more for if oil prices increase?
Electricity (you mentioned)
Food
Retail goods
Cars
Taxes (Gov't has to pay for all this stuff, too)
Drugs
Services
Basically, everything you buy involves oil products to produce/provide or ship them to you.
Trucking/shipping/air carrier costs get passed onto the customers. As an island state, we are locked into shipping and air for good from producers, and trucking or barges for distributing those goods. Are barges going to be forced to use sails? Will Matson container trucks convert to electric?
The cost of fossil fuels to generate electricity in Hawaii will rise. The use of oil for electricity will NOT go away soon (decades), no matter how many green projects are started.
Every business that pays an electric bill or needs gas to operate will raise YOUR prices.
So, not only will your DIRECT costs for electricity and fuel go up, but so will that cost you pay INDIRECTLY as all businesses must increase prices.
That's a minor lesson in how inflation works. Go read about the 1970s and the gas shortage, where we experienced double-digit inflation, lines of cars waiting for gas, and 20%+ interest for consumer loans -- cars, motorcycles, mortgages, ...
But, HEY! As long as YOU are willing to pay a "little more," so should everyone, right?
Post by: robtmc on January 30, 2021, 06:24:18 PM
The airheads always forget that, assuming they have a smattering of chemical knowledge.
Post by: robtmc on January 30, 2021, 06:26:14 PM
(https://www.lifenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/nancypelosipic7.png)Reminds me of the Emperor in Star wars as he gets ready to zap Luke.
Post by: groveler on January 30, 2021, 07:02:48 PM
That, and Hawaii is one of the few places with dense populations that also have nearly year-round sunny days. The more people in a concentrated area, the more solar farms make sense over individual home systems.I keep forgetting most guys here are urban guys and don't have the options I do
One of the reasons we can't cut emissions much with solar adoption is the power plants still have to produce power at night and during overcast days. They also have to provide electricity to businesses that can't operate on the smaller amount of power generated by solar versus what the power plants provide, such as places that operate manufacturing machinery or massive water pumps.
Given that power plant generators that use fossil fuels can't be stopped and started at will, they have to run 24/7 even if the solar power generated is enough to take one offline in daylight.
Then there's the power grid. HECO estimated they can handle power generated by solar homes and businesses up to about 20% of capacity. After that, the transmission process can't absorb more electricity while keeping the required number of generators working, too. Maybe a massive investment in the grid could change that, but then everyone who pays into the HECO kitty would have their rates increased substantially, and we already pay the most per kWH for electricity in the US.
BTW, If you noticed your power bills going down last year, you can thank Trump and the energy independence he provided the US with fracking and the XL pipeline. When oil prices start to rise, which I guarantee is going to start immediately, our power bills will also rise due to our continued use of oil to generate electricity.
when it comes to solar.
What you say about power plants in general is correct.
What you leave out is the stupid Hawaii citizens ignore cheaper
ways of making electricity because they are Democrats.
As such they make decisions based on politics or beliefs
and not on facts and data on what is best for the people living here.
Screw the rest of the world, I don't care about them.
I choose to live here, and expect things will get much harder
for those who continue to live here, money wise.
While I will do what can do for my neighbors, and Ohana,
but the rest of the Democrat world, fuck em.
Post by: mrgaf on January 30, 2021, 07:08:00 PM
Wind, harvest ocean waves. Solar isn't the only option. Store electricity gained in the day in batteries for the night. Many options. I would not mind paying more money for less environmental impact. Hope Biden suspends all oil subsidies.
:sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping: :sleeping:
Post by: mrgaf on January 30, 2021, 07:10:56 PM
Nope raise prices at the pump. I will gladly pay myself. Till I go electric. A reasonable increase in electricity or tax, I wouldn't be off the table. Though I figure if we stop oil subsidies a tax increase isnt necessary. We be saving many billions.
You could always shove a tube up your arse and harness all the methane from the BS you spew and power your car. No need for gas! :D
Post by: omnigun on January 30, 2021, 07:15:27 PM
What else would you pay more for if oil prices increase?
Electricity (you mentioned)
Food
Retail goods
Cars
Taxes (Gov't has to pay for all this stuff, too)
Drugs
Services
Basically, everything you buy involves oil products to produce/provide or ship them to you.
Trucking/shipping/air carrier costs get passed onto the customers. As an island state, we are locked into shipping and air for good from producers, and trucking or barges for distributing those goods. Are barges going to be forced to use sails? Will Matson container trucks convert to electric?
The cost of fossil fuels to generate electricity in Hawaii will rise. The use of oil for electricity will NOT go away soon (decades), no matter how many green projects are started.
Every business that pays an electric bill or needs gas to operate will raise YOUR prices.
So, not only will your DIRECT costs for electricity and fuel go up, but so will that cost you pay INDIRECTLY as all businesses must increase prices.
That's a minor lesson in how inflation works. Go read about the 1970s and the gas shortage, where we experienced double-digit inflation, lines of cars waiting for gas, and 20%+ interest for consumer loans -- cars, motorcycles, mortgages, ...
But, HEY! As long as YOU are willing to pay a "little more," so should everyone, right?
Yup. Not saying all at once but start the process. Worth the environment and my, and my children's future. Good thing a majority are on the side I believe in.
Basically remove oil subsidies. There's no reason why we should be subsidizing a lucrative business. Second no more permits for oil. Ban new fracking. And limit current. Then let the world slowly change.
Post by: macsak on January 30, 2021, 07:29:23 PM
Yup. Not saying all at once but start the process. Worth the environment and my, and my children's future. Good thing a majority are on the side I believe in.
Basically remove oil subsidies. There's no reason why we should be subsidizing a lucrative business. Second no more permits for oil. Ban new franking. And limit current. Then let the world slowly change.
ban hot dogs?
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 30, 2021, 09:13:52 PM
What else would you pay more for if oil prices increase?Wait, so youre saying its just not at the pump increase? (Sarcasm)
Electricity (you mentioned)
Food
Retail goods
Cars
Taxes (Gov't has to pay for all this stuff, too)
Drugs
Services
Basically, everything you buy involves oil products to produce/provide or ship them to you.
Trucking/shipping/air carrier costs get passed onto the customers. As an island state, we are locked into shipping and air for good from producers, and trucking or barges for distributing those goods. Are barges going to be forced to use sails? Will Matson container trucks convert to electric?
The cost of fossil fuels to generate electricity in Hawaii will rise. The use of oil for electricity will NOT go away soon (decades), no matter how many green projects are started.
Every business that pays an electric bill or needs gas to operate will raise YOUR prices.
So, not only will your DIRECT costs for electricity and fuel go up, but so will that cost you pay INDIRECTLY as all businesses must increase prices.
That's a minor lesson in how inflation works. Go read about the 1970s and the gas shortage, where we experienced double-digit inflation, lines of cars waiting for gas, and 20%+ interest for consumer loans -- cars, motorcycles, mortgages, ...
But, HEY! As long as YOU are willing to pay a "little more," so should everyone, right?
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 30, 2021, 09:42:44 PM
You could always shove a tube up your arse and harness all the methane from the BS you spew and power your car. No need for gas! :D
Methane is a green house gas! He's killing the planet RIGHT NOW and getting no energy production from it.
What a ..... REPUBLICAN he is!!
Post by: Mdotweber on January 30, 2021, 10:06:19 PM
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Post by: Rocky on January 31, 2021, 06:08:37 AM
Solar panels produce TONS of Toxic Waste.Toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride.
Silicon tetrachloride, a byproduct of producing crystalline silicon, is also highly toxic..
Another compound, Sulfur Hexafluoride 17,000 times more hazardous than carbon dioxide.
The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) in 2016 estimated there was about 250,000 metric tonnes of solar panel waste in the world at the end of that year. IRENA projected that this amount could reach 78 million metric tonnes by 2050.
While most of a turbine can be recycled or find a second life on another wind farm, researchers estimate the U.S. will have more than 720,000 tons of blade material to dispose of over the next 20 years, a figure that doesn't include newer, taller higher-capacity versions. Ninety percent of a turbine's parts can be recycled or sold, according to Van Vleet, but the blades, made of a tough but pliable mix of resin and fiberglass — similar to what spaceship parts are made from — are a different story.
Decommissioned blades are also notoriously difficult and expensive to transport. They can be anywhere from 100 to 300 feet long and need to be cut up onsite before getting trucked away on specialized equipment — which costs money — to the landfill. Cindy Langstrom manages the turbine blade disposal project for the municipal landfill in Casper, Wyo. Though her landfill is one of the only ones in the state — not to mention the entire U.S. — with enough space to take wind farm waste, she said the blades' durability initially posed a financial hurdle.
Manufacturing wind turbines is a resource-intensive process. A typical wind turbine contains more than 8,000 different components, many of which are made from steel, cast iron, and concrete. One such component are magnets made from neodymium and dysprosium, rare earth minerals mined almost exclusively in China, which controls 95 percent of the world’s supply of rare earth minerals.
"As more factories sprang up, the banks grew higher, the lake grew larger and the stench and fumes grew more overwhelming.‘It turned into a mountain that towered over us,’ says Mr Su. ‘Anything we planted just withered, then our animals started to sicken and die.’People too began to suffer. Dalahai villagers say their teeth began to fall out, their hair turned white at unusually young ages, and they suffered from severe skin and respiratory diseases. Children were born with soft bones and cancer rates rocketed.Official studies carried out five years ago in Dalahai village confirmed there were unusually high rates of cancer along with high rates of osteoporosis and skin and respiratory diseases. The lake’s radiation levels are ten times higher than in the surrounding countryside, the studies found."
Growth in the wind industry could raise demand for neodymium by as much as 700 percent over the next 25 years, while demand for dysprosium could increase by 2,600 percent, according to a recent MIT study.
Estimates of the exact amount of rare earth minerals in wind turbines vary, but in any case the numbers are staggering. According to the Bulletin of Atomic Sciences, a 2 megawatt (MW) wind turbine contains about 800 pounds of neodymium and 130 pounds of dysprosium. The MIT study cited above estimates that a 2 MW wind turbine contains about 752 pounds of rare earth minerals.To quantify this in terms of environmental damages, consider that mining one ton of rare earth minerals produces about one ton of radioactive waste, according to the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security. In 2012, the U.S. added a record 13,131 MW of wind generating capacity. That means that between 4.9 million pounds (using MIT’s estimate) and 6.1 million pounds (using the Bulletin of Atomic Science’s estimate) of rare earths were used in wind turbines installed in 2012. It also means that between 4.9 million and 6.1 million pounds of radioactive waste were created to make these wind turbines.
I won't even get into the loss of land, land use and wild life from this "green energy" or the production and disposal of the battery's used to store it :grrr:
Post by: macsak on January 31, 2021, 07:04:33 AM
look at all the jobs they create!
What "some folks" dont understand about their big green energy revolution solution is the life span and waste of wind and solarLife span for both at best is 25-30 years.
Solar panels produce TONS of Toxic Waste.Toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride.
Silicon tetrachloride, a byproduct of producing crystalline silicon, is also highly toxic..
Another compound, Sulfur Hexafluoride 17,000 times more hazardous than carbon dioxide.
The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) in 2016 estimated there was about 250,000 metric tonnes of solar panel waste in the world at the end of that year. IRENA projected that this amount could reach 78 million metric tonnes by 2050.
While most of a turbine can be recycled or find a second life on another wind farm, researchers estimate the U.S. will have more than 720,000 tons of blade material to dispose of over the next 20 years, a figure that doesn't include newer, taller higher-capacity versions. Ninety percent of a turbine's parts can be recycled or sold, according to Van Vleet, but the blades, made of a tough but pliable mix of resin and fiberglass — similar to what spaceship parts are made from — are a different story.
Decommissioned blades are also notoriously difficult and expensive to transport. They can be anywhere from 100 to 300 feet long and need to be cut up onsite before getting trucked away on specialized equipment — which costs money — to the landfill. Cindy Langstrom manages the turbine blade disposal project for the municipal landfill in Casper, Wyo. Though her landfill is one of the only ones in the state — not to mention the entire U.S. — with enough space to take wind farm waste, she said the blades' durability initially posed a financial hurdle.
Manufacturing wind turbines is a resource-intensive process. A typical wind turbine contains more than 8,000 different components, many of which are made from steel, cast iron, and concrete. One such component are magnets made from neodymium and dysprosium, rare earth minerals mined almost exclusively in China, which controls 95 percent of the world’s supply of rare earth minerals.
"As more factories sprang up, the banks grew higher, the lake grew larger and the stench and fumes grew more overwhelming.‘It turned into a mountain that towered over us,’ says Mr Su. ‘Anything we planted just withered, then our animals started to sicken and die.’People too began to suffer. Dalahai villagers say their teeth began to fall out, their hair turned white at unusually young ages, and they suffered from severe skin and respiratory diseases. Children were born with soft bones and cancer rates rocketed.Official studies carried out five years ago in Dalahai village confirmed there were unusually high rates of cancer along with high rates of osteoporosis and skin and respiratory diseases. The lake’s radiation levels are ten times higher than in the surrounding countryside, the studies found."
Growth in the wind industry could raise demand for neodymium by as much as 700 percent over the next 25 years, while demand for dysprosium could increase by 2,600 percent, according to a recent MIT study.
Estimates of the exact amount of rare earth minerals in wind turbines vary, but in any case the numbers are staggering. According to the Bulletin of Atomic Sciences, a 2 megawatt (MW) wind turbine contains about 800 pounds of neodymium and 130 pounds of dysprosium. The MIT study cited above estimates that a 2 MW wind turbine contains about 752 pounds of rare earth minerals.To quantify this in terms of environmental damages, consider that mining one ton of rare earth minerals produces about one ton of radioactive waste, according to the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security. In 2012, the U.S. added a record 13,131 MW of wind generating capacity. That means that between 4.9 million pounds (using MIT’s estimate) and 6.1 million pounds (using the Bulletin of Atomic Science’s estimate) of rare earths were used in wind turbines installed in 2012. It also means that between 4.9 million and 6.1 million pounds of radioactive waste were created to make these wind turbines.
I won't even get into the loss of land, land use and wild life from this "green energy" or the production and disposal of the battery's used to store it :grrr:
Post by: omnigun on January 31, 2021, 08:14:39 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 31, 2021, 09:02:03 AM
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Post by: ren on January 31, 2021, 09:50:28 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 31, 2021, 10:22:56 AM
while everyone is posting some information to back up their arguments the o-douchebagg posts rhetorical questions back with nothing to support anything.The questions also have already been answered months ago by him arguinv about it.
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Post by: mrgaf on January 31, 2021, 11:33:03 AM
Yup. Not saying all at once but start the process. Worth the environment and my, and my children's future. Good thing a majority are on the side I believe in.
Basically remove oil subsidies. There's no reason why we should be subsidizing a lucrative business. Second no more permits for oil. Ban new fracking. And limit current. Then let the world slowly change.
You must be really pumping out the methane with all the BS you’re spewing again! I say screw you and you’re so called “majority”... ;)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 31, 2021, 01:32:21 PM
You must be really pumping out the methane with all the BS you’re spewing again! I say screw you and you’re so called “majority”... ;)
The majority answered questions like, "Should the US be moving toward a more green and renewable energy production footprint."
Who isn't going to support that? What they fail to include is, "At the expense of the current fossil fuel industry which will result in massive layoffs, businesses closing, and rampant inflation as we replace that oil with foreign oil".
The questions they ask, and the parts they don't ask, matter greatly in polls. You can get any "majority" on any question you want if you ask the right questions while avoiding the "whole truth."
"Are you for open borders, amnesty for DACA residents, and a return to the Obama era of catch and release of undocumented aliens."
Follow-ups,"You are? Great! How many undocumented workers are you willing to house in your home? How many living next door to you? Can we count on you to take a pay cut or accept being laid-off so your company can hire more DACA residents and undocumented workers? What other benefits of citizenship besides employment are you willing to surrender so those entering or living in the country illegally can prosper? Are you okay with being taxed more so the gov't can give those non-citizens free healthcare, education and other services that you and others so generously make available to them?"
Post by: mrgaf on January 31, 2021, 02:16:45 PM
Is there studies comparing that vs oil for pollution? Fracking is very polluting and others are too. Also over the years new technologies have come out that produce less waste for green tech. It's about the progress.
:sleeping:
Post by: dafrtknocker on January 31, 2021, 02:43:24 PM
The Solyndra Scam Exposed: Barack Obama’s Green Energy Con Game.
https://www.ikonlondonmagazine.com/the-solyndra-scam-barack-obamas-green-energy-con-game/
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 03, 2021, 01:01:15 AM
Quote
The cost of producing electricity has dropped significantly in the last decade.
So why haven’t we seen those price drops reflected in our electricity bills?
Charles McConnell, former Assistant Secretary of Energy in the Obama
Administration, answers this riddle.
https://www.prageru.com/video/why-are-utilities-so-expensive/
Post by: ren on February 03, 2021, 01:23:24 PM
ICYMI: A new study found that cleaner air from the pandemic lockdown warmed the planet a bit in 2020, especially in places such as the eastern U.S., Russia and China. The study released Tuesday found that the lockdown reduced soot and sulfate air particles, which are pollution that also reflects the sun’s heat and helps cool areas briefly. The result is that some places warmed temporarily by as much as two-thirds of a degree Fahrenheit last year and the planet as a whole warmed by about half a degree. The study’s lead author said that loss of cooling outweighed any reduction of heat-trapping carbon pollution last year.
BLUF: We don't know what causes the planet to cool or warm
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 03, 2021, 01:35:11 PM
https://www.khon2.com/news/national/things-to-know-state-vaccination-talks-being-held-privately/ (https://www.khon2.com/news/national/things-to-know-state-vaccination-talks-being-held-privately/)
ICYMI: A new study found that cleaner air from the pandemic lockdown warmed the planet a bit in 2020, especially in places such as the eastern U.S., Russia and China. The study released Tuesday found that the lockdown reduced soot and sulfate air particles, which are pollution that also reflects the sun’s heat and helps cool areas briefly. The result is that some places warmed temporarily by as much as two-thirds of a degree Fahrenheit last year and the planet as a whole warmed by about half a degree. The study’s lead author said that loss of cooling outweighed any reduction of heat-trapping carbon pollution last year.
BLUF: We don't know what causes the planet to cool or warm
That's been my #1 criticism of Climate Change Socialism. There is no known way to quantify how much humans contribute to the "problem." And if we did know, whether there's any significant impact our actions might have on the situation at all.
Then you see the Climate Change people refusing to change one thing they do in their lives to combat the "problem."
When the people saying there's a crisis start ACTING like there's a crisis (other than politicizing it for power and money), maybe I'll start to believe them.
Post by: ren on February 03, 2021, 01:55:48 PM
In my opinion industries in the business of energy lack any universally acceptable standard for physical storage formats. That's why it is a bold claim for one company to say they recover 95% of an energy storage unit. The BMS may still be useable but according to their processes it is either discarded or shredded. Absolutely wasted. What the large scale battery industry needs is an agreed upon standard for end of life reuse/recycle and new manufacturing. So far I have heard nothing. Just typical govt BS of throwing money at the problem and flower petals thrown at leaders' feet for appeasement.