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Title: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: zippz on January 31, 2021, 01:34:02 PM
OPPOSE - HB534 Stand your Ground bill is up on Tuesday 2/2/21 at 9:45am.  Priority deadline for written testimony and request ZOOM testimony is Monday 2/1/21 at 9:45am

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2021/hearingnotices/HEARING_PDP_02-02-21_.HTM

OPPOSE it due to two problems with HB534.
1.  Section (2) has a stand your ground clause added to it for deadly force against the listed violent crimes.  However it conflicts with (5)(b) which still has the original wording "...safely by retreating or by surrendering possession...."  So the second part nullifies the first part.  Not sure if intentional or an error.

2.  Section (5) (B) (i) removes "castle doctorine" in the workplace, requiring you to retreat if possible.

More info here:  https://hifico.org/hb534/


Also support the hunters by testifying on this bill, priority deadline 2/1/21 9am, which clarifies landowner liability protections and could help to open up more private lands for hunting.
This bill covers these example activities: includes but is not limited to any of the following, or any combination thereof: hunting, fishing, swimming, boating, camping, picnicking, hiking, pleasure driving, nature study, water skiing, winter sports, and viewing or enjoying historical, archaeological, scenic, or scientific sites.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=101&year=2021&fbclid=IwAR0CqgKpB8hULu71OIaFtUU5LHSzDYDt0Niz3aZJsvpREGCUd8YPoJ-Ty0A
Title: Re: Testimony needed for HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: zippz on January 31, 2021, 01:40:18 PM
Sorry, should be in the Legal and Activism section.
Title: Re: Testimony needed for HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: Direjackalope on January 31, 2021, 08:59:26 PM
Submitted for both!  Thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: Testimony needed for HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: hvybarrels on January 31, 2021, 09:25:47 PM
Might want to submit one for the permanent face mask bill as well. Completely insane
Title: Re: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: aieahound on January 31, 2021, 10:24:19 PM
Testimony submitted.
Thanks for the heads up Zippz.  :shaka:
Keep em coming as they come up.

(Testified on face mask law also)
Title: Re: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: fishandshoot on January 31, 2021, 10:26:26 PM
Submitted, thanks again for keeping us updated and informed.
Title: Re: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: fishandshoot on January 31, 2021, 10:26:44 PM
 :shaka:
Title: Re: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: stangzilla on February 01, 2021, 08:28:10 AM
done  :shaka:
Title: Re: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: 6716J on February 01, 2021, 08:39:24 AM
Done
Title: Re: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: zippz on February 01, 2021, 08:59:17 AM
We'll see how this goes on Tuesday.  If not the way we want then we'll push for HB711 McDermott's real stand your ground bill.
Title: Re: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: zippz on February 01, 2021, 08:03:08 PM
Good news, with the help of the Introducer, Rep Eli,  the PDP committee chair Ichiyama granted my request to change the wording in HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground  to HB711 Full Stand Your Ground.  We'll find out for sure tomorrow.


Edit.  Meant the PDP committee chair.
Title: Re: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: omnigun on February 02, 2021, 06:46:51 AM
Quote from: zippz on February 01, 2021, 08:03:08 PM
Good news, with the help of the Introducer, Rep Eli,  the JUD committee chair Ichiyama granted my request to change the wording in HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground  to HB711 Full Stand Your Ground.  We'll find out for sure tomorrow.

What wording changes did you make?

Edit*

Misread this nvm.  Sorry
Title: Re: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: macsak on February 02, 2021, 06:59:41 AM
Quote from: omnigun on February 02, 2021, 06:46:51 AM
What wording changes did you make?

focus
"change the wording in HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground  to HB711 Full Stand Your Ground."
Title: Re: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: zippz on February 02, 2021, 11:22:19 AM
Hb534 passed PDP committee today, 6 more steps to go through which will get harder.  Funny thing is the antis were opposing the bill with us too because they thought it expanded stand your ground.

The wording was gutted and replaced with hb711

Hb101 was deferred.

We need more zoom testimonies, only had 4 today.  It's going to be much harder in the JUD committee coming up next.
Title: Re: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 02, 2021, 12:05:29 PM
Quote from: omnigun on February 02, 2021, 06:46:51 AM
What wording changes did you make?

Edit*

Misread this nvm.  Sorry

Did you submit testimony?
Title: Re: Testimony needed to OPPOSE HB534 Fake Stand Your Ground - 2/2/21
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 02, 2021, 12:06:05 PM
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=39940.0

I put it in the legal section