Post by: GlockNewb on February 14, 2021, 10:19:29 AM
https://youtu.be/C1w-rJOqvr4
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Post by: robtmc on February 14, 2021, 10:37:20 AM
Old rule of thumb was over a tank of gas from a major city.
Post by: GlockNewb on February 14, 2021, 10:44:05 AM
Got to wonder about a few of those, considering the inner cities they have. Hordes of gibsmedats would come boiling out into the "safe" areas.
Old rule of thumb was over a tank of gas from a major city.
Would the hordes be able to navigate to the safe zones without cell service? The CHAZ/CHOP situations lead me to doubt their skill set while disconnected from the grid.
Post by: oldfart on February 14, 2021, 10:51:04 AM
Population density too high.
Habitable land area is small.
Too dependent on shipping lines
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 14, 2021, 11:32:05 AM
HI shouldn't be on the list.
Population density too high.
Habitable land area is small.
Too dependent on shipping lines
One of the criteria was a moderate climate. Our weather seldom climbs or falls into either extreme.
Natural resources was another. Plenty of water if we use catchments or can continue to pump from aquifers.
Food? How long can we live on pineapple, banana, and coconuts? Hawaiians fed themselves pretty well before commercial sources were available. Again, the weather is a factor -- no long Winters, which allows for almost year-round growing of many crops.
Hawaii has a goal of 100% renewable energy by 2045. I'm sure the fact that year has been adjusted 4-5 times since it started at 2020 isn't an indicator that 2045 is going to shift! :rofl: We'll have all electric cars recharged via a solar and wind powered grid. :geekdanc:
I can see Hawaii being on the list. Not only do we have resources, we're also isolated from diseases and attack by those looking for resources.
The biggest detractor in this calculation is whether the people will be motivated to fend for themselves, or wait for the state and local governments to take care of them.
Post by: groveler on February 14, 2021, 12:57:41 PM
**SPOILER ALERT** (scroll down)I'm not surprised HI made the list, but
https://youtu.be/C1w-rJOqvr4
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was surprised he showed Honolulu, which is a
nuke target and very crowded. He did mention Molokai
as a possibility.
But thankfully the rest of the world and indeed even Honolulu
doesn't know the potential of the Big island as a SHTF place.
Small population, lots of ranches, farms, and lots of water.
No need for heat or A/C.
Plus we have access to Whale oil. /s.
Please don't move here.
I'm hoping that a significant portion of our local population will
move on as a result of the Democrat Party local and
national governments, and what their policies are,
and will do to the local economy.
Post by: aletheuo137 on February 14, 2021, 05:47:25 PM
HI shouldn't be on the list.We just happen to be on the wrong island! I'm working on it!
Population density too high.
Habitable land area is small.
Too dependent on shipping lines
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Post by: aletheuo137 on February 14, 2021, 05:48:56 PM
One of the criteria was a moderate climate. Our weather seldom climbs or falls into either extreme.Most of them, wait for nanny to come to the rescue!
Natural resources was another. Plenty of water if we use catchments or can continue to pump from aquifers.
Food? How long can we live on pineapple, banana, and coconuts? Hawaiians fed themselves pretty well before commercial sources were available. Again, the weather is a factor -- no long Winters, which allows for almost year-round growing of many crops.
Hawaii has a goal of 100% renewable energy by 2045. I'm sure the fact that year has been adjusted 4-5 times since it started at 2020 isn't an indicator that 2045 is going to shift! :rofl: We'll have all electric cars recharged via a solar and wind powered grid. :geekdanc:
I can see Hawaii being on the list. Not only do we have resources, we're also isolated from diseases and attack by those looking for resources.
The biggest detractor in this calculation is whether the people will be motivated to fend for themselves, or wait for the state and local governments to take care of them.
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Post by: RSN172 on February 14, 2021, 07:05:33 PM
But no need worry, our President, Ly'in Joe Biden going take care us.
Post by: aletheuo137 on February 14, 2021, 07:14:07 PM
Having lived on Molokai for 18 years, Oahu for 40+ and BI for 7, I would give a slight edge to Molokai, just because the population is significantly less than the BI and almost everybody knows each other or a friend or relative of yours. That in itself is a big plus. Oahu would not be my choice.If my math is right, that puts you at 55 years!
But no need worry, our President, Ly'in Joe Biden going take care us.
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Post by: oldfart on February 14, 2021, 09:50:37 PM
If my math is right, that puts you at 55 years!...
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Post by: RSN172 on February 14, 2021, 09:50:51 PM
If my math is right, that puts you at 55 years!You forgot the +. I already collecting SSA payments. I will be 71 this year, but still trimming trees on a regular basis for added income.
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Post by: QUIETShooter on February 15, 2021, 07:17:02 AM
I honestly question the reliability, resourcefulness, and general resilience of the average citizen. The people here look like they will have the "frozen deer in the headlights" mentality and will look at each other and expect others to take charge and take care of them instead of being self reliant.
And it is grossly overpopulated. There will be no Aloha. Aloha is for when everything is going hunky dory. People will be at each other's throats.
I still remember those haunting images on tv during Black Friday events when Walmart had cases of Spam on sale. The 270 lb braddah fighting off the 102 lb. gramma for the last case. LOL! Aloha? I don't think so. This was a while back but nothing will change. Maybe get even worse.
There's too many people on Oahu. Best to just lock and load and treat everyone like the enemy until you are sure they are not. Sad to say there will be many sheep that will be slaughtered for being "caught in the headlights....."
Post by: aletheuo137 on February 15, 2021, 07:27:52 AM
You forgot the +. I already collecting SSA payments. I will be 71 this year, but still trimming trees on a regular basis for added income.Public school education, no make shame Castle! I
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Post by: aletheuo137 on February 15, 2021, 07:34:46 AM
You forgot the +. I already collecting SSA payments. I will be 71 this year, but still trimming trees on a regular basis for added income.I'm going to be 59 this year! Too young SSA payments yet.
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Post by: Rocky on February 15, 2021, 08:11:21 AM
If my math is right, that puts you at 55 years!Your math sucks ! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Post by: RSN172 on February 15, 2021, 08:12:06 AM
I'm going to be 59 this year! Too young SSA payments yet.Az ok. Us baby boomers goin suck um dry befo you young'uns get chance.
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Post by: Rocky on February 15, 2021, 08:30:11 AM
HI shouldn't be on the list.A landslide Kam hwy at Kahana and Waiamea would secure my area's population density leaving much habitable land and sea :D
Population density too high.
Habitable land area is small.
Too dependent on shipping lines
Post by: drck1000 on February 15, 2021, 08:35:56 AM
SNIPDepends how much
And it is grossly overpopulated. There will be no Aloha. Aloha is for when everything is going hunky dory. People will be at each other's throats.
Post by: Kuleana on February 15, 2021, 09:34:27 AM
I think Honolulu and Oahu as a whole would not be a good place to be in a SHTF situation.Oahu will be a death trap. Once government services and the medical system collapse, that is when the real party begins.
There's too many people on Oahu.
The smart ones will remain in place, hunker down, and watch the carnage. After the first six months, of the initial shock, it is not necessarily the roving bands of gangs and looters that I am concerned; it is the communicable diseases that will run rampant due to all the thousands unburied bodies of those, who have recently perished. Since there are no coroners, at that point, society will be lucky if there are people with the foresight to bury the dead. But where? Most likely there will be thousands, who will die alone in their homes or near their immediate surroundings. Many natural water sources will also most likely be contaminated, since there will be some people who will just dump corpses into them.
The only saving grace for those living on Oahu is the fact that most of the capable medical professionals and whatever medical supplies remain are on this island, if they manage to survive past the initial stages, of the collapse. Those on the neighbor islands will be spared most of the societal violence; however, those gains are offset by not having most of the capable and knowledgeable agricultural and aquaculture human resources located on Oahu that are necessary to ensure long-term food production. Even crops can be devastated by diseases too.
Post by: robtmc on February 15, 2021, 10:26:41 AM
One of the criteria was a moderate climate.Weren't Idaho, Wyoming, Michigan, and Minnesota on the list? hard to think of those places without seeing massive blizzards and months of sub-zero weather.
Post by: RSN172 on February 15, 2021, 11:41:31 AM
I waz in MN one Novemba an already waz mo colda den one freeza
You can mahke in two ouwa in freezing weatha..
Post by: drck1000 on February 15, 2021, 11:50:52 AM
Weren't Idaho, Wyoming, Michigan, and Minnesota on the list? hard to think of those places without seeing massive blizzards and months of sub-zero weather.They're counting on the cold to keep the idiots away. Or so thought Wally Kowalski. . .
I would think those who live out in rural areas of those states would be decently well prepared. Assuming they are used to the weather and plan accordingly. That and the winter weather serves as a sort of protection for many months out of the year. Those from warmer climates would suffer in the cold. Much like the Starks of Winterfell and dealing with the southern armies. :P
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 15, 2021, 12:28:43 PM
They're counting on the cold to keep the idiots away. Or so thought Wally Kowalski. . .
I would think those who live out in rural areas of those states would be decently well prepared. Assuming they are used to the weather and plan accordingly. That and the winter weather serves as a sort of protection for many months out of the year. Those from warmer climates would suffer in the cold. Much like the Starks of Winterfell and dealing with the southern armies. :P
Planning is the key to surviving Winter. Find some large game just prior to the onset, put up some fresh veggies in jars, maybe leave your canned goods for then, and amass a large supply of firewood that's protected from the elements (tarps, plastic sheeting, wood sheds).
One of the hardest tasks in Winter is keeping yourself and your clothing clean. Dirty clothing is not only unsanitary, but the filth causes the material to wear out quicker. Clothes need to remain as clean and in good repair as possible to last. Of course, good hygiene prevents illness. You'll need to plan on having hot water for those things and a large tub to bathe and do laundry in. I've taken a shower once in the mountains of W. Virginia in Winter when the electricity went out the night before. OMFG! That was the fasted shower of my life!
Post by: drck1000 on February 15, 2021, 01:05:56 PM
SNIPWhat kine showah dat?
I've taken a shower once in the mountains of W. Virginia in Winter when the electricity went out the night before. OMFG! That was the fasted shower of my life!
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Just being equal opportunity asshole to folks. Before someone cries victim and group think. . . 8)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 15, 2021, 01:07:54 PM
What kine showah dat?
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Just being equal opportunity asshole to folks. Before someone cries victim and group think. . . 8)
If you aren't thinking "soap, shampoo and water" kine, then you really need to reevaluate the friends you hang out with. :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on February 15, 2021, 01:39:49 PM
If you aren't thinking "soap, shampoo and water" kine, then you really need to reevaluate the friends you hang out with. :rofl:I have just as many friends as Macsak has ammo, firearms, reloading equipment, etc. . . :crazy:
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Post by: macsak on February 15, 2021, 01:41:23 PM
I have just as many friends as Macsak has ammo, firearms, reloading equipment, etc. . . :crazy:
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heads
Post by: aletheuo137 on February 15, 2021, 02:12:21 PM
Weren't Idaho, Wyoming, Michigan, and Minnesota on the list? hard to think of those places without seeing massive blizzards and months of sub-zero weather.Have them move there just to thin out the gene pool!
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Post by: aletheuo137 on February 15, 2021, 02:17:18 PM
on Molokai for 18 years, Oahu for 40+ and BI for 7 (= 65)Your math sucks ! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Yes it does sensei Rocky!
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Post by: groveler on February 15, 2021, 03:37:19 PM
on Molokai for 18 years, Oahu for 40+ and BI for 7 (= 65)Your math sucks ! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:I wasn't going to point that out. But for you I'd point out his "arithmetic" sucks.
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Mathematics is a little more "advanced".
Post by: aletheuo137 on February 15, 2021, 04:07:50 PM
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