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Title: Making Orwell proud
Post by: MassConfusion on March 02, 2021, 04:39:24 PM
Just thought I should start a thread for the fans of George Orwell. If you see any stories that would make old George blush you can list them here.
Let me start.

https://www.rt.com/news/516931-israel-covid-tracking-bracelet/

2 Mar, 2021 01:20
Israel launches Covid-tracking ‘FREEDOM BRACELET’ as alternative to quarantine, as court reins in spy agency’s contact tracing
A traveler shows off an electronic bracelet as Israel introduces them to enforce Covid-19 quarantines, at Ben Gurion international airport near Tel Aviv, Israel March 1, 2021. ©  Reuters / Amir Cohen

Israel has unveiled a coronavirus-tracking bracelet as an alternative to a two-week quarantine for incoming travelers, sparking privacy concerns as a top court moved to curb the Shin Bet spy agency’s role in contact tracing.
A pilot program for the tracking bracelet kicked off at Ben Gurion Airport on Monday, where 100 devices were doled out to arriving travelers as a way to avoid a stay at a military-administered quarantine hotel. Instead, those opting for the bracelet system – which features the electronic wristband, a smartphone app and a wall-mounted tracking device – will be free to return home to wait out the two-week isolation period.

Cont.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: macsak on March 02, 2021, 04:54:08 PM
does the bracelet have a 6 pointed star on it?

Just thought I should start a thread for the fans of George Orwell. If you see any stories that would make old George blush you can list them here.
Let me start.

https://www.rt.com/news/516931-israel-covid-tracking-bracelet/

2 Mar, 2021 01:20
Israel launches Covid-tracking ‘FREEDOM BRACELET’ as alternative to quarantine, as court reins in spy agency’s contact tracing
A traveler shows off an electronic bracelet as Israel introduces them to enforce Covid-19 quarantines, at Ben Gurion international airport near Tel Aviv, Israel March 1, 2021. ©  Reuters / Amir Cohen

Israel has unveiled a coronavirus-tracking bracelet as an alternative to a two-week quarantine for incoming travelers, sparking privacy concerns as a top court moved to curb the Shin Bet spy agency’s role in contact tracing.
A pilot program for the tracking bracelet kicked off at Ben Gurion Airport on Monday, where 100 devices were doled out to arriving travelers as a way to avoid a stay at a military-administered quarantine hotel. Instead, those opting for the bracelet system – which features the electronic wristband, a smartphone app and a wall-mounted tracking device – will be free to return home to wait out the two-week isolation period.

Cont.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: oldfart on October 18, 2021, 02:43:11 AM
I went to the UH West Oahu Campus a couple weeks ago to conduct some business.
The gentleman whom I was supposed to meet told me to stay in the parking lot and he would come to meet me there.

Apparently the UH system has a tracking software called "LUMISIGHT" that you need to register on in order to step foot on to the campus.
As I understand it, it uses your cellphone to track your whereabouts so if there is a covid cluster, they can see who else might get it.

How's that for a spooky Halloween story?
Wasn't there a movie like that? "I Know what you did....
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on October 18, 2021, 06:02:09 AM
Alternative....as in optional... I thought choices were more freedoms
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Inspector on October 18, 2021, 09:44:49 AM
I went to the UH West Oahu Campus a couple weeks ago to conduct some business.
The gentleman whom I was supposed to meet told me to stay in the parking lot and he would come to meet me there.

Apparently the UH system has a tracking software called "LUMISIGHT" that you need to register on in order to step foot on to the campus.
As I understand it, it uses your cellphone to track your whereabouts so if there is a covid cluster, they can see who else might get it.

How's that for a spooky Halloween story?
Wasn't there a movie like that? "I Know what you did....
What’s even scarier to me is that the UHWOC campus has been closed numerous days due to lack of water. Think about that one for a while.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: drck1000 on October 18, 2021, 10:02:53 AM
Bill Gates required visitors to wear pendants when on his property.  The reason was to allow access where needed (key fobs), but it was 100% to track where folks were.  This was back when I lived in WA and may or may not have done work there. 

I designed a "house" for a backup generator for Paul Allen's residence.  The "house" was larger than most multi-million $$$ houses in the area at the time.  We had to sign a bunch of NDAs though. . .  8)
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 18, 2021, 08:22:04 PM
I went to the UH West Oahu Campus a couple weeks ago to conduct some business.
The gentleman whom I was supposed to meet told me to stay in the parking lot and he would come to meet me there.

Apparently the UH system has a tracking software called "LUMISIGHT" that you need to register on in order to step foot on to the campus.
As I understand it, it uses your cellphone to track your whereabouts so if there is a covid cluster, they can see who else might get it.

How's that for a spooky Halloween story?
Wasn't there a movie like that? "I Know what you did....

This type of thing makes me want to go back to a dumb flip phone.

A couple of times I walked into places and they asked me to register on my phone and I just told them I don't have data so I couldn't register.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: MassConfusion on November 02, 2021, 08:24:11 AM
Good thing we live in the United States for now.

UK LAWMAKERS INTEND TO JAIL INTERNET TROLLS FOR HURTING FEELINGS
Nathan "The Bull" G. NATHAN "THE BULL" G. NOVEMBER 1, 2021
Groups of British legislators have started considering making it illegal to post or speak about certain content online that could cause “emotional, psychological, or physical harm to the likely audience.” This new provision, which would be tacked on to the new so-called Online Safety Bill, would impart added jail time for any who think to defy the requirements.
“Trolls could face two years in prison for sending messages or posting content that causes psychological harm under legislation targeting online hate,” stated The Times. “Ministers will overhaul communication laws by creating new offenses in the forthcoming Online Safety Bill, the flagship legislation to combat abuse and hatred on the internet.”
“The Department for Culture, Media & Sport has accepted recommendations from the Law Commission for crimes to be based on ‘likely psychological harm,’” continued the story. “The proposed law change will shift the focus on to the ‘harmful effect’ of a message rather than if it contains ‘indecent’ or ‘grossly offensive’ content, which is the present basis for assessing its criminality.”
As reported by The Times, the new bill would seek to ban “threatening communications” and “knowingly false communications.”
“We are making our laws fit for the digital age,” stated a spokesperson for the government. “Our comprehensive Online Safety Bill will make tech companies responsible for people’s safety and we are carefully considering the Law Commission’s recommendations on strengthening criminal offenses.”
The new Online Safety Bill would also seek to impose stronger standards on Big Tech platforms, up to and including that they remove any content that could be considered harmful to its users, even if the content itself is entirely legal. Katy Minshall, with Twitter, stated that the draft bill entirely failed to give answers to some key questions about how they are to define legal but harmful material, as reported by the BBC.
The Culture Secretary for the UK stated that this plan would end up making the United Kingdom “the safest place in the world to be online.”
Nadine Dorries, the Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport while writing for The Daily Mail, made reference to the terrorism-motivated stabbing of Sir David Amess back in October, along with the “online abuse” that she has suffered, as the main motivators behind this legislative move.
“David was just doing his job and his death was an attack on democracy. While our efforts to introduce legislation to make the UK the safest place in the world to be online might not have changed what happened last week, the heinous events have highlighted two awful facts. The online arena remains the home of disgusting, often anonymous abuse, and a place where people are radicalised,” wrote Dorries in the piece.
“Online hate has poisoned public life. It’s often unbearable. And it has to end,” she continued. “We have the legislation to do it. Our Online Safety Bill is one of the most ambitious pieces of legislation in the internet age. No other country has published a Bill that will go so far to make big tech accountable for the content on their platforms, and for the way they promote it.”

https://steadfastandloyal.com/news-for-you/uk-lawmakers-intend-to-jail-internet-trolls-for-hurting-feelings/
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: macsak on November 02, 2021, 08:41:09 AM
don't have time to google, but kamehameha schools was supposed to put bluetooth trackers on students, faculty, and staff
for health and safety purposes
they are saying that the waivers thet were already signed allow this...
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 02, 2021, 12:39:39 PM
UK Police have been going after Internet "bullying" for a decade or more.  If someone gets offended, they call the police.  The Cops show up, and they arrest the offender.  The offender now has to prove it wasn't them doing the bullying.

I was watching a UK version of Cops when they had to arrest someone on such a complaint.

UK has no 1st Amendment.

Their justification is the rise in "hate speech" they say sometimes leads to physical violence.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: hvybarrels on November 02, 2021, 01:59:42 PM
You're next

(https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/15/dog_microchip.jpg)
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 02, 2021, 03:56:02 PM
You're next

(https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/15/dog_microchip.jpg)

Fakenews
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Rocky on November 02, 2021, 05:37:38 PM
You're next

(https://latimesblogs.latimes.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/04/15/dog_microchip.jpg)
that looks just like the thing I sneezed out after my covid test  :wacko:
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: MassConfusion on November 06, 2021, 11:49:26 AM
Digital drivers license.  I guess this is coming to a state near you soon?  Supposidly includes;
** Your health records including vаccine stаtus
** Your financial reports
** Credit scores
** Travel records
** Vehicle registration
** Spending
** Voting
** Sex offender status
** Licenses and Permits you have
** Parking Fines
** Social Credit Scoring
 :wacko:
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Past-News.php/2021/11/06/new-digital-driver-s-license
https://freedomheadlines.com/freedom-wire/new-digital-drivers-license-is-as-authoritarian-as-it-gets-v%d0%b0x-st%d0%b0tus-isnt-even-the-worst-part/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/news-digital-drivers-license-will-include-vaccine-status-may-eventually-include-credit-score-travel-records-social-credit-score-video/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/11/digital-drivers-license-mdl/
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: hvybarrels on November 06, 2021, 12:16:50 PM
Unless there is a significant push back I'm pretty sure we will be fighting doggie chips in our legislature in the near future. Next market crash and fiscal cliff can't come soon enough.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Jl808 on November 09, 2021, 06:15:54 AM
Mississippi rolling out mobile ID system that provides access to individuals’ private information

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mississippi-rolling-out-mobile-id-system-that-provides-access-to-private-information/
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 09, 2021, 07:52:02 PM
Unless there is a significant push back I'm pretty sure we will be fighting doggie chips in our legislature in the near future. Next market crash and fiscal cliff can't come soon enough.

At least chips require larger needles so you would be able to see if they tried to trick you
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: hvybarrels on November 09, 2021, 09:04:51 PM
At least chips require larger needles so you would be able to see if they tried to trick you

Don't mischaracterize what I'm saying

"Legislation"

That means we all would knowingly get a chip regardless if we want it or not

Once enough sheep go for the digital ID then implants are the next logical step

Regardless, with today's tech needle size is much less of an issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdwVaPBpks0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdwVaPBpks0
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 10, 2021, 07:34:27 PM
Don't mischaracterize what I'm saying

"Legislation"

That means we all would knowingly get a chip regardless if we want it or not

Once enough sheep go for the digital ID then implants are the next logical step

Regardless, with today's tech needle size is much less of an issue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdwVaPBpks0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdwVaPBpks0

I am not mischaracterizing what you said, I am just making my own comment on the issue. At least we can tell  by the size of the needle so it is harder to trick you. If they come at you with a covid booster with a large diameter needle you can see it and stop them.

If the government really wanted to chip everyone it wouldn't make sense to do it with the covid vaccine, there are too many people watching too closely. It would be easier to just do it to infants, or do it in the military where you don't have the right to tell them to stop.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: ren on November 10, 2021, 09:04:51 PM
I am not mischaracterizing what you said, I am just making my own comment on the issue. At least we can tell  by the size of the needle so it is harder to trick you. If they come at you with a covid booster with a large diameter needle you can see it and stop them.

If the government really wanted to chip everyone it wouldn't make sense to do it with the covid vaccine, there are too many people watching too closely. It would be easier to just do it to infants, or do it in the military where you don't have the right to tell them to stop.

So you can gauge needles in plain sight? What gauge needle is needed for a "chip" implant?
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: hvybarrels on November 10, 2021, 11:02:23 PM
I am not mischaracterizing what you said, I am just making my own comment on the issue. At least we can tell  by the size of the needle so it is harder to trick you. If they come at you with a covid booster with a large diameter needle you can see it and stop them.

If the government really wanted to chip everyone it wouldn't make sense to do it with the covid vaccine, there are too many people watching too closely. It would be easier to just do it to infants, or do it in the military where you don't have the right to tell them to stop.


What's up with all your conspiracy nonsense about putting chips in covid shots?

I never said anything about putting chips in covid shots.

If they want us to all get chipped then they will do it the same way they did the experimental drug mandates

Right out in the open

And I bet you would be among the first to volunteer
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 11, 2021, 08:41:28 AM
We are not getting chipped.  The technology doesn't exist and its not a public health issue.....stop being paranoid.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 11, 2021, 08:54:21 AM

What's up with all your conspiracy nonsense about putting chips in covid shots?

I never said anything about putting chips in covid shots.

If they want us to all get chipped then they will do it the same way they did the experimental drug mandates

Right out in the open

And I bet you would be among the first to volunteer

Maybe not EEF, but I know of another who would be 1st in line if he was told "being chipped is for the continuation of our nation".
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: hvybarrels on November 11, 2021, 12:29:14 PM
We're next

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWVQR99bXt8
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Inspector on November 11, 2021, 01:07:34 PM
We're next

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWVQR99bXt8
It’s just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 12, 2021, 08:46:09 AM
Maybe not EEF, but I know of another who would be 1st in line if he was told "being chipped is for the continuation of our nation".

If they could prove it, yup.  I believe in science fist,  government next.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 09:19:57 AM
Chipping is so 2000's. They won't chip because every one is glued to their phones.  So now you have a better way of tracking, listening, and even viewing (camera) of what the intended target is doing.

And if you don't have a smart phone, odds are someone next to you does (when in public). Watch the film Snowden.  And this is what we know of, imagine the stuff that we don't know, which is probably even more advanced.  And also think of the phrase "7 degrees of separation".
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 12, 2021, 09:22:55 AM
Chipping is so 2000's. They won't chip because every one is glued to their phones.  So now you have a better way of tracking, listening, and even viewing (camera) of what the intended target is doing.

And if you don't have a smart phone, odds are someone next to you does (when in public). Watch the film Snowden.  And this is what we know of, imagine the stuff that we don't know, which is probably even more advanced.  And also think of the phrase "7 degrees of separation".

You are not interesting enough to devote the time to do that.  Nor do they have the resources to do it on a large scale.  This is pointless fear mongering.  The amount of processing, storage and man hours to surveil a decent chunk of the population is utterly ridiculous.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 09:34:58 AM
Chipping is so 2000's. They won't chip because every one is glued to their phones.  So now you have a better way of tracking, listening, and even viewing (camera) of what the intended target is doing.

And if you don't have a smart phone, odds are someone next to you does (when in public). Watch the film Snowden.  And this is what we know of, imagine the stuff that we don't know, which is probably even more advanced.  And also think of the phrase "7 degrees of separation".
To think that no one is watching is naive.  It's just a matter of how much they know and how much they'll use it against you. . .

Oh shit, where's the next tin foil sale. . .
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 09:37:33 AM
To think that no one is watching is naive.  It's just a matter of how much they know and how much they'll use it against you. . .

Oh shit, where's the next tin foil sale. . .

It's not like the guy who was actually doing it didn't tell his story, get fired by the NSA, and is a wanted criminal.  This guy is the IT master level 9999.  The regular IT folk (non military) are probably only lvl 5 compared to him.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: drck1000 on November 12, 2021, 09:42:32 AM
It's not like the guy who was actually doing it didn't tell his story, get fired by the NSA, and is a wanted criminal.  This guy is the IT master level 9999.  The regular IT folk (non military) are probably only lvl 5 compared to him.
It's ok.  I'm like IT level pre-K, but even I knows dat stuffs. . .
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 09:45:31 AM
It's ok.  I'm like IT level pre-K, but even I knows dat stuffs. . .

Maybe his laptop works well too.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Heavies on November 12, 2021, 05:08:12 PM
You are not interesting enough to devote the time to do that.  Nor do they have the resources to do it on a large scale.  This is pointless fear mongering.  The amount of processing, storage and man hours to surveil a decent chunk of the population is utterly ridiculous.

It is already going on in china via "social credit scores"  look it up.

Never underestimate what tyrannical government may or may not do.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Inspector on November 12, 2021, 05:21:35 PM
It is already going on in china via "social credit scores"  look it up.

Never underestimate what tyrannical government may or may not do.
Here is an older article I remember reading. I am not sure if this is still going on. When I search on meta data I get too many incorrect results.

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying

“The US government, with assistance from major telecommunications carriers including AT&T, has engaged in massive, illegal dragnet surveillance of the domestic communications and communications records of millions of ordinary Americans since at least 2001. Since this was first reported on by the press and discovered by the public in late 2005, EFF has been at the forefront of the effort to stop it and bring government surveillance programs back within the law and the Constitution.”

Based on the date of this article I assume the federal government is still collecting meta data on every phone user.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/03/05/us-end-bulk-data-collection-program
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 12, 2021, 07:51:49 PM
So you can gauge needles in plain sight? What gauge needle is needed for a "chip" implant?

Depends on what the chip needs to be able to do. The smallest one I read about is about 1mm so the needle would need an ID of at least 1mm. Vaccine needles range around 0.6mm  and smaller.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 12, 2021, 07:54:20 PM

What's up with all your conspiracy nonsense about putting chips in covid shots?
I never said anything about putting chips in covid shots.
If they want us to all get chipped then they will do it the same way they did the experimental drug mandates

Right out in the open

And I bet you would be among the first to volunteer

I didn't say you said anything about putting chips in vaccine shots. I am covering it though because it is a conspiracy people have mentioned before.

If they wanted to chip us all it would be stupid to do it in the open, they would do it when no one is paying attention.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 12, 2021, 07:55:08 PM
Here is an older article I remember reading. I am not sure if this is still going on. When I search on meta data I get too many incorrect results.

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying

“The US government, with assistance from major telecommunications carriers including AT&T, has engaged in massive, illegal dragnet surveillance of the domestic communications and communications records of millions of ordinary Americans since at least 2001. Since this was first reported on by the press and discovered by the public in late 2005, EFF has been at the forefront of the effort to stop it and bring government surveillance programs back within the law and the Constitution.”

Based on the date of this article I assume the federal government is still collecting meta data on every phone user.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/03/05/us-end-bulk-data-collection-program
Those who dont think their data is being collected/analyzed probably believe it when the government/companies deny it.

Also hot milfs within 1 mile.

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Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 12, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
You are not interesting enough to devote the time to do that.  Nor do they have the resources to do it on a large scale.

Until you are...
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 12, 2021, 08:25:28 PM
RFID hand implant procedure

https://youtu.be/Gj5g454AD4E
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Heavies on November 12, 2021, 08:47:05 PM
Revelation 13:16-17
King James Version
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 12, 2021, 08:50:18 PM
Revelation 13:16-17
King James Version
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

That's just a myth written by people well over a century or two ago. 

Pure coincidence that it's coming to fruition.   :popcorn:

[/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 12, 2021, 09:00:02 PM
Until you are...

The FBI's  Carnivore, as well as the follow-on systems, have no problem grabbing and storing massive amounts of information on a target.  In fact, one of the problems people raised about it is that fact they were gathering "metadata" on people without search warrants.  Once a warrant was obtained, they had a boatload of communications ALREADY GATHERED and ready to be analyzed and filtered. 

It's like sending a robot into your house to record voices and take pictures.  As long as humans aren't browsing the conversations and pictures, it's okay.  Once they have grounds for a search warrant, they now don't need to worry that they are collecting only data after that point.  They can now go get the recordings and pics already gathered and see if there's any evidence against you. 

And, of course the FBI would never use that information against anyone without a proper warrant, would they?  (Let's talk the FISA warrants against Carter Paige).
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 12, 2021, 09:33:08 PM
The FBI's  Carnivore, as well as the follow-on systems, have no problem grabbing and storing massive amounts of information on a target.  In fact, one of the problems people raised about it is that fact they were gathering "metadata" on people without search warrants.  Once a warrant was obtained, they had a boatload of communications ALREADY GATHERED and ready to be analyzed and filtered. 

It's like sending a robot into your house to record voices and take pictures.  As long as humans aren't browsing the conversations and pictures, it's okay.  Once they have grounds for a search warrant, they now don't need to worry that they are collecting only data after that point.  They can now go get the recordings and pics already gathered and see if there's any evidence against you. 

And, of course the FBI would never use that information against anyone without a proper warrant, would they?  (Let's talk the FISA warrants against Carter Paige).

I think people don't realize how small metadata is. They may think that the government can't listen to every phone call or record every phone call and they are right, but they don't need to. Simple text data like date, time, GPD coordinates, calls made, length of call, smart device advertiser number, ip address, etc etc are all small enough to easily gather and store it for everyone man woman and child in America.

Then once you fall our of grace and the focus is on you they already have boatloads.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Inspector on November 13, 2021, 01:23:39 AM
The FBI's  Carnivore, as well as the follow-on systems, have no problem grabbing and storing massive amounts of information on a target.  In fact, one of the problems people raised about it is that fact they were gathering "metadata" on people without search warrants.  Once a warrant was obtained, they had a boatload of communications ALREADY GATHERED and ready to be analyzed and filtered. 

It's like sending a robot into your house to record voices and take pictures.  As long as humans aren't browsing the conversations and pictures, it's okay.  Once they have grounds for a search warrant, they now don't need to worry that they are collecting only data after that point.  They can now go get the recordings and pics already gathered and see if there's any evidence against you. 

And, of course the FBI would never use that information against anyone without a proper warrant, would they?  (Let's talk the FISA warrants against Carter Paige).
This sounds suspiciously like what Amazon is doing with Alexa. Sure you can request from Amazon the data Alexa is collecting on you. Just don’t be surprised what they are capturing and keeping. And of course the FBI knows where this data is stored as well.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 13, 2021, 11:51:16 AM
This sounds suspiciously like what Amazon is doing with Alexa. Sure you can request from Amazon the data Alexa is collecting on you. Just don’t be surprised what they are capturing and keeping. And of course the FBI knows where this data is stored as well.

Very true. I am less concerned when a private business does it but if the government knows the business does it then they are only a search warrant away from getting it.

Amazon takes the audio and converts it to text and stores it. IIRC they say they only record what happens about 30 seconds after someone say "Alexa". I refuse to get any of those smart listening devices.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 13, 2021, 11:57:15 AM
Revelation 13:16-17
King James Version
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

What does this even mean or relevance. 
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 13, 2021, 11:59:46 AM
It is already going on in china via "social credit scores"  look it up.

Never underestimate what tyrannical government may or may not do.

True,  but our government isn't that.   We should work in reality with realistic fears and issues.

And Chinas social scores is definitely far from perfect.  They are not monitoring every single person.  They are also not "chipping" everyone. 
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 13, 2021, 12:04:58 PM
Until you are...

Nothing can stop them or anyone with enough interest.  This applies to almost anything realistically.  Hackers, Murders, etc.  You can't stop your friends from having phones, streets from having cameras.  Look at how long and full of holes kyle rittenhouse trial is and everyone had phones and cameras....

Privacy is important but we have to be realistic in our thoughts.  What your level of life comfort is.   Even if you got rid of all electronics and lived in the middle of nowhere with no humans in 100 miles.  Its still not private.  With enough effort satellites,  drones and other spy equipment can still breach your privacy. 

Do what makes you feel comfortable,  encrypt everything,  put tape on webcams,  VPN,  dumbphones.  Whatever floats your boat.  But to think you will ever be truely private is a fantasy.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: ren on November 13, 2021, 12:13:20 PM
Revelation 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

(https://spiritualcrusade.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/img_6048.png)
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 13, 2021, 01:58:25 PM
Very true. I am less concerned when a private business does it but if the government knows the business does it then they are only a search warrant away from getting it.

Amazon takes the audio and converts it to text and stores it. IIRC they say they only record what happens about 30 seconds after someone say "Alexa". I refuse to get any of those smart listening devices.
Watch Snowden (film).

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Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 13, 2021, 02:27:12 PM
Revelation 20:4
Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.


Sounds like crazy talk.  Blind worship and unrealistic possibilities.  Not sure how related to this topic.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Heavies on November 13, 2021, 02:32:02 PM
Sounds like crazy talk.

Is anyone saying that you need to join a religion? Someone forcing you? Did these posts somehow offend you, even though no one even mentioned you?   

Saying things others believe is “crazy talk” is pretty rude.

Even if you choose not to believe in God or any other form of religion, I myself, don’t judge. You know why?  Because I have manners and respect.

You should pick some of that kind of thing up. It will help you in life.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 13, 2021, 02:37:51 PM
Is anyone saying that you need to join a religion? Someone forcing you? Did these posts somehow offend you, even though no one even mentioned you?   

Saying things others believe is “crazy talk” is pretty rude.

Even if you choose not to believe in God or any other form of religion, I myself, don’t judge. You know why?  Because I have manners and respect.

You should pick some of that kind of thing up. It will help you in life.


It was more about trying to figure out how its related to the current thread.  The words themselves don't really make sense.  In the context of this thread and in general.  I am not saying that person shouldn't believe in whatever he wants but if he posts something like that on a public thread people may comment on the content.  Same would be said if I or someone posted a biden or hitler quote.

People tend to judge regardless,  there is quite a bit of judgement about "liberals" or biden here.  I personally don't think religion is a protected class.  Nothing is.  That's one of the founding principles behind the 1st amendment. Especially when this forum is about conversations and commenting on someone's post. 
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: drck1000 on November 13, 2021, 02:41:08 PM
Is anyone saying that you need to join a religion? Someone forcing you? Did these posts somehow offend you, even though no one even mentioned you?   

Saying things others believe is “crazy talk” is pretty rude.

Even if you choose not to believe in God or any other form of religion, I myself, don’t judge. You know why?  Because I have manners and respect.

You should pick some of that kind of thing up. It will help you in life.
:thumbsup:

Easy to be brash when behind a keyboard.  There are generations out there that don't know what it's like to lip off and have to face consequences for that. 
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 13, 2021, 02:43:35 PM
:thumbsup:

Easy to be brash when behind a keyboard.  There are generations out there that don't know what it's like to lip off and have to face consequences for that.

I've been the same in real life too.   I voice my opinion when warranted including calling out scientific issues with religion.  And many topics including gun issues.  And even liberal ideas.  There have been pluses and minuses for such.   
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 13, 2021, 02:59:19 PM
Saying things others believe is “crazy talk” is pretty rude.

It was more about trying to figure out how its related to the current thread.  The words themselves don't really make sense. 

There's no logic in calling something "crazy talk," before claiming it was merely an attempt to figure out what it means.  That's total BS.

Calling it "crazy talk" is an opinion -- a judgmental insult.  If one doesn't know what it means, why would one post an opinion of it rather than ask for clarification first?

The post was an insult, pure and simple, because it's based on scripture.

I must have missed the part where that respondent asked, "Please explain how that quote from the Bible is related to the topic."
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Inspector on November 13, 2021, 03:04:18 PM
Is anyone saying that you need to join a religion? Someone forcing you? Did these posts somehow offend you, even though no one even mentioned you?   

Saying things others believe is “crazy talk” is pretty rude.

Even if you choose not to believe in God or any other form of religion, I myself, don’t judge. You know why?  Because I have manners and respect.

You should pick some of that kind of thing up. It will help you in life.
Personally I think it shows a total lack of respect. But that is just my opinion. This is not the first time nor will it probably be the last that he shows a lack of respect toward the religious folks here. It is well documented how he treats those who believe in God. JMHO
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 13, 2021, 03:04:46 PM
There's no logic in calling something "crazy talk," before claiming it was merely an attempt to figure out what it means.  That's total BS.

Calling it "crazy talk" is an opinion -- a judgmental insult.  If one doesn't know what it means, why would one post an opinion of it rather than ask for clarification first?

The post was an insult, pure and simple, because it's based on scripture.

I must have missed the part where that respondent asked, "Please explain how that quote from the Bible is related to the topic."

It's on the same page

What does this even mean or relevance.

And yes I call out religion.  Just like many here call out other topics.  It's not unique.  Imagine if someone started to post other decisive topics like pro Biden or anti gun.   
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 13, 2021, 03:09:22 PM
More BS.

Sounds like crazy talk.  Blind worship and unrealistic possibilities.  Not sure how related to this topic.
                      ^^^                                                      ^^^                                                                      ^^^
            Insult / opinion                                More opinion & insults                                              Not a question
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: eyeeatingfish on November 13, 2021, 04:08:50 PM
Nothing can stop them or anyone with enough interest.  This applies to almost anything realistically.  Hackers, Murders, etc.  You can't stop your friends from having phones, streets from having cameras.  Look at how long and full of holes kyle rittenhouse trial is and everyone had phones and cameras....

Privacy is important but we have to be realistic in our thoughts.  What your level of life comfort is.   Even if you got rid of all electronics and lived in the middle of nowhere with no humans in 100 miles.  Its still not private.  With enough effort satellites,  drones and other spy equipment can still breach your privacy. 

Do what makes you feel comfortable,  encrypt everything,  put tape on webcams,  VPN,  dumbphones.  Whatever floats your boat.  But to think you will ever be truely private is a fantasy.

You can make the government work for the information instead of putting devices capable of monitoring you in your pocket and home. I don't have an Alexa or any of those types of devices in my house for a reason. (I never do anything illegal)
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Inspector on November 14, 2021, 07:28:17 AM
Enjoy!
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 14, 2021, 08:15:28 AM
Enjoy!
Holocaust. Treating people with decency went out the window. Same with segregation of blacks. History repeating.

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Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: macsak on November 14, 2021, 08:24:51 AM
yup, our government would never do anything like the Chinese...
https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1459904349199609857
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Rocky on November 14, 2021, 08:27:12 AM
:thumbsup:

Easy to be brash when behind a keyboard.  There are generations out there that don't know what it's like to lip off and have to face consequences for that.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ve77Rexm.jpg)

Seems some of ya'll been sucked into the reply vortex again and you were doing so well  :-\
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: ren on November 14, 2021, 09:27:18 AM
There's no logic in calling something "crazy talk," before claiming it was merely an attempt to figure out what it means.  That's total BS.

Calling it "crazy talk" is an opinion -- a judgmental insult.  If one doesn't know what it means, why would one post an opinion of it rather than ask for clarification first?

The post was an insult, pure and simple, because it's based on scripture.

I must have missed the part where that respondent asked, "Please explain how that quote from the Bible is related to the topic."

if man child is talking about how brave xhe is , xhe can go to a church during mass and argue about religion there...I doubt xhe has the courage....not even the courage to enlist in just one of the several armed services
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: hvybarrels on November 14, 2021, 11:19:25 AM
if man child is talking about how brave xhe is , xhe can go to a church during mass and argue about religion there...I doubt xhe has the courage....

It feels like I am doing this all the time whenever a conversation turns to the overwhelming fear of a virus so deadly that we need a test to find out if we have it.
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 14, 2021, 03:03:12 PM
It feels like I am doing this all the time whenever a conversation turns to the overwhelming fear of a virus so deadly that we need a test to find out if we have it.
And test 4x until we get the result needed (positive).

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Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 16, 2021, 08:26:02 AM
More BS.
                      ^^^                                                      ^^^                                                                      ^^^
            Insult / opinion                                More opinion & insults                                              Not a question


I had made a previous post I linked....
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: omnigun on November 16, 2021, 08:27:52 AM
if man child is talking about how brave xhe is , xhe can go to a church during mass and argue about religion there...I doubt xhe has the courage....not even the courage to enlist in just one of the several armed services

If a church wants to have a debate, sure I can.  I am not trying to find conflict but if people want to have an open discussion sure.  You can be courageous without serving.  The armed forces are not the sole litmus test of courage and patriotism...
Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 16, 2021, 01:50:10 PM

I had made a previous post I linked....

The most recent post negates previous posts.  Nobody is going to go back to see if you contradicted yourself in previous posts.

That's how things work in the real world. 

Title: Re: Making Orwell proud
Post by: MassConfusion on December 12, 2021, 12:04:40 PM
https://youtu.be/uavp8-R8_Tg