Post by: stangzilla on March 03, 2021, 09:21:32 AM
despite me saying the 1911 is better than Glock on the other thread, a Glock has its place. its great for carry, lots of upgrades available, lots of holster options, light options, red dot options, sights options, etc. if i were to CC, Glock 19 would be in my rotation. i got the G19 to be a bugout sidearm. its light, 9mm ammo would be lighter to carry and take with me, its a common caliber. i think it would make a better bugout gun than my 1911's, or revolvers.
since we don't have CCW in Hawaii (if you are not LE or armed security), having a sub compact isn't one of my priorities. so i dont think it is obsolete to me. i considered a 48 or 43x, but went with the 19 bc its more common and more accessories options for the 19 right now, although in time the aftermarket for the 48 and 43 will catch up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrkDO4dZi_k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLZ9RDYZJQA
your thoughts? :shaka:
Post by: ren on March 03, 2021, 09:58:24 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 03, 2021, 12:22:57 PM
But on a serious note, when you're only allowed 10rds and not a guns standard capacity, this makes many guns trash.
Post by: mangosteenqueen on March 03, 2021, 12:53:17 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 03, 2021, 01:12:03 PM
Then I bought the Sig P320 Nitron Full-Size as soon as it was available at my LGS. It's my favorite pistol now.
What I don't see in many comparisons with the P320 is how versitile it is. You can pick a variety of calibers and sizes, and all with the one trigger module. I bought the Sig X-Change kit that transforms my Full-Size into a Compact.
The Full-Size has a standard 17rd capacity. Same as a G17.
The Compact has a standard 15rd capacity. Same as the G19.
So, when looking at G19 alternatives, it's important to match up all the specs before delving into those that require compromises. Capacity, dimensions, weight, striker vs. hammer, polymer vs. all metal, ...
Ergonomically, the P320 beats the G19 to death (YMMV). The only real advantage the G19 has over the P320 Compact IMO is price. But we are talking about a Sig versus a Glock after all. :geekdanc:
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 03, 2021, 01:35:45 PM
I was in the market for a G19 to compliment my G17. I was interested in it for CCW when I travel.
Then I bought the Sig P320 Nitron Full-Size as soon as it was available at my LGS. It's my favorite pistol now.
What I don't see in many comparisons with the P320 is how versitile it is. You can pick a variety of calibers and sizes, and all with the one trigger module. I bought the Sig X-Change kit that transforms my Full-Size into a Compact.
The Full-Size has a standard 17rd capacity. Same as a G17.
The Compact has a standard 15rd capacity. Same as the G19.
So, when looking at G19 alternatives, it's important to match up all the specs before delving into those that require compromises. Capacity, dimensions, weight, striker vs. hammer, polymer vs. all metal, ...
Ergonomically, the P320 beats the G19 to death (YMMV). The only real advantage the G19 has over the P320 Compact IMO is price. But we are talking about a Sig versus a Glock after all. :geekdanc:
And the best part about the 320 is you can have many different sizes of guns and not have to register each one. A huge perk for HI.
Post by: stangzilla on March 03, 2021, 01:37:17 PM
I was in the market for a G19 to compliment my G17. I was interested in it for CCW when I travel.
Then I bought the Sig P320 Nitron Full-Size as soon as it was available at my LGS. It's my favorite pistol now.
What I don't see in many comparisons with the P320 is how versitile it is. You can pick a variety of calibers and sizes, and all with the one trigger module. I bought the Sig X-Change kit that transforms my Full-Size into a Compact.
The Full-Size has a standard 17rd capacity. Same as a G17.
The Compact has a standard 15rd capacity. Same as the G19.
So, when looking at G19 alternatives, it's important to match up all the specs before delving into those that require compromises. Capacity, dimensions, weight, striker vs. hammer, polymer vs. all metal, ...
Ergonomically, the P320 beats the G19 to death (YMMV). The only real advantage the G19 has over the P320 Compact IMO is price. But we are talking about a Sig versus a Glock after all. :geekdanc:
i may have to look into the P320 next.....
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 03, 2021, 01:45:13 PM
There have been many people causing unintentional (negligent) discharges when starting to clean their Glocks. It's too easy to get distracted and forget to eject that round sitting in the chamber. I have a friend who admitted he started to clean his G21 after a range visit, but he forgot it had to be uncocked to take it down. As he was trying to figure out why the slide was being stubborn, he racked it -- and the chambered round ejected. Shocked him to death, because he was positive it was unloaded. Luckily, he was inexperienced and didn't know why the slide wouldn't come off. If he'd known, he would have more than likely gotten an even bigger shock! :shake:
Sigs can be taken apart without having to pull the trigger first. So, if a round happens to be carelessly left in the chamber, it'll be discovered as the slide is safely removed without touching the trigger.
In a perfect world, this would never be a concern. But, when humans are part of the equation, the product ought to be as foolproof as possible.
Post by: mangosteenqueen on March 03, 2021, 01:52:46 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 03, 2021, 02:11:23 PM
That’s more of a basic safety issue. I don’t think it would make much of a difference for any other firearm if you don’t drop the mag and check the chamber a few times briefly.
It's absolutely a user-caused problem. But, if one brand requires a trigger pull to break it down, and others do not, the increased risk still exists if (when) someone skips the basic safety check for any reason.
If you've ever left a burner on after cooking or the front door unlocked when you left for work, you understand that we can't always trust what we have been taught.
Post by: robtmc on March 03, 2021, 03:29:14 PM
If you've ever left a burner on after cooking or the front door unlocked when you left for work, you understand that we can't always trust what we have been taught.Good thought. I tend to think I do not leave much to chance, but have embarassed myself too many times to still believe that.
Post by: drck1000 on March 04, 2021, 02:14:24 PM
This one is his opinion. That's it. He knows he's going to get flamed. My personal experience shooting and watching others shoot the 43, 48, and other subcompact is that it depends on the person's preference, how the gun suits that person, and their time with the gun. For my friends that own the guns, the smaller size doesn't seem to fit them well. Maybe just their grip, but a lot of malfunctions with hands on slide stops or other stuff. Bottom line is that they didn't function reliably. Maybe user error, but that's kind of what I'm getting at.
Another big things that I've noticed with subcompacts is that it either takes a lot to get used to the smaller grip, or it just doesn't work well for some. I see a lot of folks regripping between shots, and something that he does at numerous parts in the video. Yeah, he may be shooting the gun decent, but that regripping was no bueno. If he likes it, suits him fine, etc good for him.
If anyone wants to get rid of their obsolete 19, I'll take it. :thumbsup:
Post by: jase90 on March 04, 2021, 03:09:20 PM
Ditch the polymer lining for more inside magazine volume space and probably shove another 5 rounds or so there making it it "cutting edge."... But it's Glock, who the hell are we to be hopeful for them to make a major design change lol.
Maybe that'll be another thing Shield Arms or another aftermarket company to capitalize on.
I'm talking about free state magazines though. All our neutered handguns in Hawaii make this a moot point.
Post by: jase90 on March 04, 2021, 03:10:01 PM
Post by: Influence on March 04, 2021, 05:37:36 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 04, 2021, 05:40:15 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 04, 2021, 07:33:45 PM
Whats ur thoughts on the 320 having no trigger or external safety (not m17 version)?. At least glocks have the bladed trigger. That was 1 additional reason why i stayed away from the 320.
What does the bladed trigger safety accomplish? Anything that pulls the trigger (finger, jacket drawstring, etc.) will deactivate that trigger safety. The only thing it can really prevent is a discharge caused by dropping.
Sig had a problem with the P320 in that area. The weight of the trigger was sufficient that when dropped at an angle, the trigger could be forced to move to the rear and discharge the weapon. The reason this was not caught before distribution is the drop-test standards all have the gun dropped straight down. But, when the gun was dropped closer to the slide, the trigger was more likely to activate.
I sent mine into Sig, and they repaired the trigger for free. Not sure what all they swapped out, but I know that before the repair, the trigger didn't click when pulled without the striker in the charged position (slide hasn't been racked). Now, the trigger makes a definite click sound each time it's pulled without the striker being released. I know the replaced the trigger itself, because it's now thinner and weighs less. That keeps it from being pushed to the rear by inertia when dropped at that "bad" angle.
Since the "voluntary upgrade" program began, I've not seen any more reports of drop-related discharges. There were only a few reported that initiated the upgrade. Since Sig maintained that the gun met required drop-safety testing standards, they didn't label it a "recall".
I've never seen a need for a manual safety on a Glock. Same for a P320. If you don't want to carry in condition 0, then simply don't have a round chambered. Time to remember to take the safety off vs. time to rack the slide. Seems like a wash to me.
There's a school of thought that says you should not trust a manual safety to protect against discharge. Mechanical devices fail, people forget to set them to "safe" and they can accidentally be disengaged. Better to treat the gun as ready to fire than depend on a safety and treat it as "safe".
Post by: drck1000 on March 05, 2021, 10:22:23 AM
I’ve run through a few handguns over the years. Started with Glock and expanded out to S&W, Sig, HK and CZ. Found I liked my CZs best (Shadow 2, SP-01, P-01), but I went back to the Glock 19 as my go to for basically one reason. Shtf, I feel parts will be more common. Other than that, CZ all day for me.Love my SP-01 Shadow Target :thumbsup:
Bought it to shoot USPSA matches, and have all the gear. But have stuck with my 34. Hopefully the bays open up again soon. I've had some other shooting friends shoot my SP-01 and got at least two of them to buy one for themselves. ;D
A bunch of shooting buddies have and really like the P10 as well. That's a pretty sweet gun too.
Like you, while I enjoy shooting my CZs, I always go back to my Glocks (19, 17, 34), for various reasons.
Post by: drck1000 on March 05, 2021, 10:23:10 AM
Whats ur thoughts on the 320 having no trigger or external safety (not m17 version)?. At least glocks have the bladed trigger. That was 1 additional reason why i stayed away from the 320.My thoughts are you should buy one and try it for yourself, and let us know how you like it.
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Then you can teach macsak how to shoot. .. 8)
Post by: macsak on March 05, 2021, 12:55:54 PM
My thoughts are you should buy one and try it for yourself, and let us know how you like it.
Then you can teach macsak how to shoot. .. 8)
i own no firearms nor ammo...
Post by: drck1000 on March 05, 2021, 01:07:40 PM
i own no firearms nor ammo...It’s ok. CMO has plenty of both for ya :thumbsup:
Post by: zippz on March 05, 2021, 01:36:00 PM
Post by: stangzilla on March 05, 2021, 01:51:51 PM
Post by: aletheuo137 on March 05, 2021, 01:56:22 PM
1911, revolver, G19. dam, all my stuff is obsolete O0My 20 year old Hoyt still puts the animal down. When it stops doing that, then its obsolete and time for something new!
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Post by: changemyoil66 on March 06, 2021, 08:22:38 AM
My thoughts are you should buy one and try it for yourself, and let us know how you like it.I tried it and was not a fan. For some reason had hard time hitting steel 5in x 13in at 30yrds with it, multiple times and diff models (compact, full size, sub). Other guns that are not mine, not much of an issue.
Then you can teach macsak how to shoot. .. 8)
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Post by: drck1000 on March 06, 2021, 03:04:14 PM
I tried it and was not a fan. For some reason had hard time hitting steel 5in x 13in at 30yrds with it, multiple times and diff models (compact, full size, sub). Other guns that are not mine, not much of an issue.Right. Sounds like a sure sign of a junk firearm model line...
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:rofl:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 06, 2021, 04:55:34 PM
I tried it and was not a fan. For some reason had hard time hitting steel 5in x 13in at 30yrds with it, multiple times and diff models (compact, full size, sub). Other guns that are not mine, not much of an issue.
There is no try. Only do.
Not all Glocks fit all size hands/fingers. It's a common issue where new Glocks owners push the pistol off target when they pull the trigger -- usually low and left for right-handed shooters.
Just like any other hand-gripped tool, what feels comfortable to you might not work for others.
Hickok45 seems to enjoy the Glock platform in all flavors ...
https://youtu.be/BUgN60kyv8s
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 06, 2021, 05:04:55 PM
There is no try. Only do.Do i buy a left handed 320? I can store it next to my left handed screw driver.
Not all Glocks fit all size hands/fingers. It's a common issue where new Glocks owners push the pistol off target when they pull the trigger -- usually low and left for right-handed shooters.
Just like any other hand-gripped tool, what feels comfortable to you might not work for others.
Hickok45 seems to enjoy the Glock platform in all flavors ...
https://youtu.be/BUgN60kyv8s
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 06, 2021, 07:44:07 PM
Do i buy a left handed 320? I can store it next to my left handed screw driver.
If you decide to do that, just give me your money, and I'll buy it for you -- to make sure you don't get scammed! :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc:
Post by: macsak on March 06, 2021, 07:46:12 PM
I tried it and was not a fan. For some reason had hard time hitting steel 5in x 13in at 30yrds with it, multiple times and diff models (compact, full size, sub). Other guns that are not mine, not much of an issue.
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just suck less...
Post by: drck1000 on March 14, 2021, 05:14:46 PM
just suck less...I'll put up ammo for this challenge as well. O0
:rofl:
Post by: Inspector on March 15, 2021, 01:42:25 AM
1911, revolver, G19. dam, all my stuff is obsolete O0Everything I buy these days is obsolete.
Post by: stangzilla on March 15, 2021, 07:25:03 AM
Everything I buy these days is obsolete.
revolvers and 1911's aren't obsolete. bc some sell for thousands of dollars. they are still in demand. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: Inspector on March 15, 2021, 07:33:41 AM
revolvers and 1911's aren't obsolete. bc some sell for thousands of dollars. they are still in demand. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:But everything I buy is 50 years old or older. Many over 100.
Post by: Inspector on March 15, 2021, 07:38:19 AM
Post by: zippz on March 15, 2021, 08:47:31 AM
I have a question for all the Glock fans here. What is the newest innovation that Glock has come up with since they first released the Glock 17 back in the late 80’s or early 90’s? BTW, I don’t consider any of the other models any more innovative than the Model 17 except for the Model 44. I am starting to think that Glock is just resting on its laurels here and selling guns that are in essence not much different than the original from 30 years ago.
Glocks were great and affordable when they first came out. Now everyone else has caught up and glock is slightly behind the times.
The internals have been upgraded to improve longevity and are more robust, like the recoil spring had a 2,000 round life and it's up to 5000 ends now. The MOS version I think was the first mass production gun to have factory slide cuts for optics. The Gen5 barrels are supposedly a little more accurate.
On the other hand the original Glock tennifer and parkerized finish was the best. Later Gen 3 & 4s sucked and rusted. Not sure how gen 5s are. They also need to make factory all steel magazines to up the round counts, especially for their single stack mags.
Post by: drck1000 on March 15, 2021, 08:55:05 PM
I have a question for all the Glock fans here. What is the newest innovation that Glock has come up with since they first released the Glock 17 back in the late 80’s or early 90’s? BTW, I don’t consider any of the other models any more innovative than the Model 17 except for the Model 44. I am starting to think that Glock is just resting on its laurels here and selling guns that are in essence not much different than the original from 30 years ago.I'm not looking for innovation from Glock. I think many companies get stuck in innovation for the sake of innovation and turn out a crap product. That's what I appreciate the tried and true. That said, if another company out performed Glock, I'll switch. I know many long time Glock owners who have gone to Sig P320 series. I had experimented with the PPQ series, which I think is great. It just didn't do anything above and beyond Glock, at least for me. The aftermarket situation with Glock is still one of the best. That huge, as well as an area where the aftermarket companies can innovate.
While I do consider myself a Glock fan, I'm down to try many others. The CZ P10c is high on my list. I came pretty close to buying a Sig P320 X5 Legion as well.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 15, 2021, 10:15:26 PM
I can use my 17rd-sized mags from my G17 in my 10rd-sized G26 -- both 9mm. Yeah, the G17 is only 10 rds for HI compliance, but that's just a detail. :thumbsup:
So, being able to fit a 17 or 15 rd mag in a pistol that came with a standard 10 rd capacity is a possible selling point.
And, if you splurge for a 30rd mag, it'll fit all of your double-stack Glocks of the same caliber.
Now, with the "innovation" of a single-stack Glock mag, the interchangeability of mags is less if you buy single-stack Glocks and double-stack.
Let's say you're in a competition and one of your mags fails, leaving you with one too few to make it through each stage. Chances are good you can borrow a mag from another competitor.
In a pinch or SHTF scenario, if you need another mag, there's a better chance of finding a fresh mag that works in your pistol if you have a Glock 9mm -- whether it's from a Cop, another civilian or in someone's stash you happen upon. Kind of an odd "feature" to look at, but when you have the most popular caliber of the most popular brand, you have a much better chance of having the parts and accessories you need.
Then there's the cost. Glock mags are generally half what my metal Sig and 1911 mags usually cost.
The drop-safety system of the Glock is a definite plus.
Being a DAO (striker-fired) firearm is a bonus for the Glock, too, particularly in competitions. The time to get that first shot off can be the difference between a better score than another shooter, or a worse one.
The first time I ran the MPPL course, I used my Sig P226 which required I fire the first round DA with the hammer forward, and each subsequent round was SA. The DA trigger pull was much heavier than the SA pulls afterward -- I'd say about twice as heavy.
The second time at MPPL, I used my Glock 17. I found the simplicity of the Glock to be more of an advantage over the Sig. Each trigger pull was identical from the first to the last. Makes a difference when trying to shoot as fast and accurately as possible.
Yes, more striker-fired pistols have come/are coming to market, but this addresses the question asked about Glock fans and innovations. There are more to choose from now (like my favorite: P320).
Anyway, just a few thoughts. YMMV. I'm seriously thinking of divesting myself of all things Glock in favor of my Sig collection and various revolvers. I'm getting to that point where I'm more about minimizing, and the P320 offers versatility of size and caliber without having to own several firearms -- just the X-Change kits. I am becoming less convinced that I'll ever be required to shoot a bad guy in the head as he holds a hostage in front of him using a Glock that I don't have a lot of practice using. :geekdanc:
Post by: bchsiaohawaii on March 17, 2021, 09:51:04 PM
I have a question for all the Glock fans here. What is the newest innovation that Glock has come up with since they first released the Glock 17 back in the late 80’s or early 90’s? BTW, I don’t consider any of the other models any more innovative than the Model 17 except for the Model 44. I am starting to think that Glock is just resting on its laurels here and selling guns that are in essence not much different than the original from 30 years ago.
HUGE innovations! They removed the finger grooves and added more serrations!!! That's what I call progress! :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on March 17, 2021, 10:04:58 PM
SNIPYou shot the IPSC target in the "D zone" (aka dick), didntcha? ;D
The first time I ran the MPPL course, I used my Sig P226 which required I fire the first round DA with the hammer forward, and each subsequent round was SA. The DA trigger pull was much heavier than the SA pulls afterward -- I'd say about twice as heavy.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 17, 2021, 10:19:26 PM
I have a question for all the Glock fans here. What is the newest innovation that Glock has come up with since they first released the Glock 17 back in the late 80’s or early 90’s? BTW, I don’t consider any of the other models any more innovative than the Model 17 except for the Model 44. I am starting to think that Glock is just resting on its laurels here and selling guns that are in essence not much different than the original from 30 years ago.
Glock is perfection! Always has been. Everyone else has been playing catch-up! :rofl:
But, seriously, until Glock, how many polymer pistols were there? Now everyone is making or trying to design their own polymer striker-fired models.
The modern Glock models have only 35 parts on average, making them reliable and easy to maintain. They have a low bore axis that reduces recoil. Latest designs offer improved ergonomics, like interchangeable back straps.
When you start out way ahead of the pack, why try to make changes for the sake of change? #1 criteria for any firearm is when you pull the trigger, it goes, "BANG!" Given the number of extreme conditions the Glock's been tested in and it still just works, I think using "innovation" as a milestone is not a good standard.
The innovations came with the first Glock 17. I don't see that they are resting on their laurels as much as continuing to give the customers the same thing they've come to trust for decades.
The 1911 has remained relatively the same for over a century. Is it also considered obsolete due to its lack of innovations? That pistol is still the standard by which all other pistol designs are measured.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 17, 2021, 10:49:36 PM
You shot the IPSC target in the "D zone" (aka dick), didntcha? ;D
Nope. I wound up with A/Head shots when I was aiming for A/Torso. :rofl:
Having to really squeeze the trigger caused me to raise the muzzle. I was not slapping the trigger, or else I would have been going for the "primary target".
Since I started out on revolvers, I'm used to double-action. The thing that gets you in competition is the trigger seems to take sooooo loooong to pull compared to follow-up shots with just a reset/pull or SA pull after a full trigger release. That means having to wait with sights on target longer for the gun to catch up. If you try to hurry the trigger pull, you're likely to push or pull the sights off target.
The P226 has an excellent stock trigger, which I replaced with a Sig Short Reset Trigger (SRT). It's smooth, but only if you squeeze it vs. yanking it.
I wasn't really shooting for speed since I only went out to the MPPL competitions twice. I was trying more to concentrate on each target and shooting safely.
I couldn't find the joy in standing around watching a bunch of other people shoot for 20-30 minutes just so I could shoot my stage for 1-3 minutes. Besides helping setup, I was there for 4-5 hours, and only got to shoot once per stage -- usually 4-6 stages.
I will say the moving/sliding/bobbing target stands and steel plates were a pleasant change from paper at 25 yds, but it bothered me that everyone was there to compete with no regular days scheduled for PRACTICE other than previous competition days. Some of the targets, like the Texas Star, really called for practice before trying to run against it for time.
It would be nice to have a day where you pay a fee for as many stages as they have set up. You could run them all as many times as you wanted if the number of other shooters allowed you the time. You could still do timing and scoring, but with enough volunteers, those activities along with resetting the targets could be super quick. In fact, the more steel they use, the fewer holes they would have to tally and tape. :thumbsup:
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 18, 2021, 09:36:19 AM
And since their name is so highly respected, if they did make say a 1911 and it didn't perform well, then they lose some of that respect. So not worth it.
Post by: drck1000 on March 18, 2021, 09:41:48 AM
Nope. I wound up with A/Head shots when I was aiming for A/Torso. :rofl:Re:MPPL, that's pretty much exactly why I started shooting USPSA/IPSC. Texas star was my favorite, but also fun to watch. Esp when that sucker started spinning. :rofl:
Having to really squeeze the trigger caused me to raise the muzzle. I was not slapping the trigger, or else I would have been going for the "primary target".
Since I started out on revolvers, I'm used to double-action. The thing that gets you in competition is the trigger seems to take sooooo loooong to pull compared to follow-up shots with just a reset/pull or SA pull after a full trigger release. That means having to wait with sights on target longer for the gun to catch up. If you try to hurry the trigger pull, you're likely to push or pull the sights off target.
The P226 has an excellent stock trigger, which I replaced with a Sig Short Reset Trigger (SRT). It's smooth, but only if you squeeze it vs. yanking it.
I wasn't really shooting for speed since I only went out to the MPPL competitions twice. I was trying more to concentrate on each target and shooting safely.
I couldn't find the joy in standing around watching a bunch of other people shoot for 20-30 minutes just so I could shoot my stage for 1-3 minutes. Besides helping setup, I was there for 4-5 hours, and only got to shoot once per stage -- usually 4-6 stages.
I will say the moving/sliding/bobbing target stands and steel plates were a pleasant change from paper at 25 yds, but it bothered me that everyone was there to compete with no regular days scheduled for PRACTICE other than previous competition days. Some of the targets, like the Texas Star, really called for practice before trying to run against it for time.
It would be nice to have a day where you pay a fee for as many stages as they have set up. You could run them all as many times as you wanted if the number of other shooters allowed you the time. You could still do timing and scoring, but with enough volunteers, those activities along with resetting the targets could be super quick. In fact, the more steel they use, the fewer holes they would have to tally and tape. :thumbsup:
Post by: aletheuo137 on March 18, 2021, 07:13:32 PM
https://youtu.be/fkKt9bu8BqY
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Post by: Inspector on March 19, 2021, 03:09:14 AM
To me, if something works, there is no need to spend R&D into making another totally new product. Glock makes tons of money and makes tweaks to their guns. Even different models/calibers are pretty much all based on the same design. Compared to say if they made a 1911 or a hammer fired pistol or AR.Eventually though I would think they are going to have to come out with a new design. Maybe not? Or how about a new design but don’t stop manufacturing the old one?
And since their name is so highly respected, if they did make say a 1911 and it didn't perform well, then they lose some of that respect. So not worth it.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 19, 2021, 12:41:12 PM
Eventually though I would think they are going to have to come out with a new design. Maybe not? Or how about a new design but don’t stop manufacturing the old one?
As someone I heard or read on the Web stated, there's a reason "Glock" has become synonymous for many with "handgun". The popularity and proliferation of Glocks throughout the US the last 4 decades is a testament to its value, reliability, applicability and effectiveness.
The VA Tech mass shooter used 2 handguns. Primary was a G19. Secondary was a Walther P22 .22LR.
The Xerox mass shooter used a G17.
Diplomatic Security Services Special Agent Chris Deedy used a G26.
Just to name a few.
When you need a tissue, you ask for a "Kleenex".
When you need to make a copy of a paper, you make a "Xerox."
When you see a crime committed with a handgun, you describe it as a Glock or something other than a Glock! :geekdanc: :rofl: :thumbsup:
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 19, 2021, 12:45:06 PM
Eventually though I would think they are going to have to come out with a new design. Maybe not? Or how about a new design but don’t stop manufacturing the old one?
They do make a K-bar, which I bought when it was first released and was $19.99. I tried to find something wrong with it, but couldn't. Has the G logo and "made in Austria" on it too. The sheath sucks.
Post by: drck1000 on March 19, 2021, 12:51:21 PM
Eventually though I would think they are going to have to come out with a new design. Maybe not? Or how about a new design but don’t stop manufacturing the old one?Maybe turn this around and approach it from "what would Inspector like to see Glock incorporate or innovate"?
To me, performance benefits or more durable materials are what I think they could do. I'm totally fine with Gen 4 and 5. The incorporation of cuts for RDS was good, but can be had aftermarket. People complain about the trigger, but nothing was wrong with it. I think they also have to play the numbers game in overall production costs low. I think that may be ok for the sights, but I'm sure there are other things where that angle plays a role.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 22, 2021, 12:12:53 PM
So, obviously it's the market that determines whether or not something has no more use. Demand for revolvers will always be there for people who just love them and those who may not have the strength, dexterity or skills to operate a semi-auto. Revolvers also have an easier time complying with certain states' list of legal handguns.
Different tools for different people.
Post by: aletheuo137 on June 25, 2021, 07:50:12 AM
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2016/05/how-many-footballs-does-it-take-to-stop-bullets-shot-from-a-glock-19/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=alt&_source=amnparler
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Post by: changemyoil66 on June 25, 2021, 12:19:50 PM
How many footballs does it take to stop rounds from a Glock 19?
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2016/05/how-many-footballs-does-it-take-to-stop-bullets-shot-from-a-glock-19/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=alt&_source=amnparler
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There's a YT channel where a guy does similar test. How many frying pans does it take to stop an elephant gun, iphones to stop a AK rd, etc... IIRC it's Kentucky Demolition or something. Not the guy who's SEBU 50 blew up. He even had a what happes when you cement a pistol and fire it. Trigger to grip was not cemented. Basically, it fired and didn't explode. But 2nd round didn't chamber.
Post by: aaronc5362 on August 06, 2021, 06:13:51 AM
Id prefer a da/sa with decocker over a 1911 style safety (like the p365 with safety) so just incase a round doesnt fire i can just pull the trigger again. Instead of racking it blah blah blah. And go from there on.
It would very be much like a sig p2022. Or imagine a beretta 92 g slide etc on a glock frame :thumbsup:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 06, 2021, 03:34:42 PM
It would be cool if glock simply came out with a hammer da/sa pistol built on the same frames their using with gen 5 glocks. So we can keep the mags we all have stocked up on lol.
Id prefer a da/sa with decocker over a 1911 style safety (like the p365 with safety) so just incase a round doesnt fire i can just pull the trigger again. Instead of racking it blah blah blah. And go from there on.
It would very be much like a sig p2022. Or imagine a beretta 92 g slide etc on a glock frame :thumbsup:
I tried using my Sig P226 in the MPPL action bay competitions. The DA pull needed for the first shot was enough of a detriment that I tried the Glock 17 next time. There's a lot to be said for having a striker fired pistol with one in the chamber vs. having to exert almost double the trigger pressure that first round in a DA pistol.
Having said that, if you choose not to carry/store your defensive firearm with one in the chamber. then there's no real difference. Same can be said of the 1911 if not chambered beforehand.
DA does offer a degree of safety in the form of trigger pressure needed to fire the gun, but it can still happen. Same is true of a Glock if the trigger is accidentally pulled. Only the SA 1911 has redundant safeties to hopefully prevent the majority of most foreseeable accidents. Round chambered, hammer cocked, manual safety disengaged, grip safety depressed, and trigger pulled. Eliminate any of those, and the 1911 should not fire.
Each model seems to have a trade-off in an attempt to balance simplicity and safety. Given that the 1911 has all those built-in safety features, it also has the most complexity, meaning it only takes one failure to stop the gun from firing -- or to cause the gun to fire when you didn't expect it to.
The best safety feature is the shooter's proficiency with the weapon. Practice, practice, practice. Don't depend on the gun alone to prevent accidents. Be totally familiar and comfortable with the safety features, and keep it away from people who aren't as proficient.