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Vendors => X-ring Security & Firearms => Topic started by: XringWayne on April 02, 2021, 04:18:43 PM
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Aloha just a quick heads up we have 9mm and 5.56/.223 in stock ready for the range use LIMITED quantities of both. If your looking for a new 9mm pistol we have a great selection in stock for you along with other firearms. We also have the usual calibers .38 .375 .44 as well as rifle calibers .308 and 5.7 we are currently out of 45acp. Come on down this weekend and have some fun.If you have any questions on if we have a caliber I may have missed or would just like to double check before heading down feel free to give us a call at 808-676-7464 we look forward to having you at the range.
Aloha Wayne
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Aloha just a quick heads up we have 9mm and 5.56/.223 in stock ready for the range use LIMITED quantities of both. If your looking for a new 9mm pistol we have a great selection in stock for you along with other firearms. We also have the usual calibers .38 .375 .44 as well as rifle calibers .308 and 5.7 we are currently out of 45acp. Come on down this weekend and have some fun.If you have any questions on if we have a caliber I may have missed or would just like to double check before heading down feel free to give us a call at 808-676-7464 we look forward to having you at the range.
Aloha Wayne
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so you gonna ignore posts directed to you on facebook and this forum?
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so you gonna ignore posts directed to you on facebook and this forum?
::)
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Need membership to buy ammo?
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Need membership to buy ammo?
Yup. It's why I no shop there. I'm not paying for a membership to buy overpriced stuff, when most every other shop on the island has the same thing, or I just order it through the shops
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so you gonna ignore posts directed to you on facebook and this forum?
Wayne was called out on FaceSpace today about not responding to posts
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Yup. It's why I no shop there. I'm not paying for a membership to buy overpriced stuff, when most every other shop on the island has the same thing, or I just order it through the shops
I won't join any club that would have somebody like me as a member!
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Wayne was called out on FaceSpace today about not responding to posts
where?
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Purchased several guns from them, tavor , ps90 , and a ar15, went back couple months later to buy $50 worth of accessories and told me I had to pay membership to buy those items , told them good luck with ur business and never went back, it’s been about 4 years now and still not planning on going back ..... ever .
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Purchased several guns from them, tavor , ps90 , and a ar15, went back couple months later to buy $50 worth of accessories and told me I had to pay membership to buy those items , told them good luck with ur business and never went back, it’s been about 4 years now and still not planning on going back ..... ever .
I've been to golf courses, shooting ranges, and any number of other types of places that charge for memberships, but I never once was asked to buy a membership before spending my money in their stores, pro shops, gift shops, or whatever shops. Retail stores are usually open the to public. Requiring a membership is just so ... Sam's Club.
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where?
I think it was Oahu Firearms Owners or something like that. One of the gun groups here in Hawaii
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I think it was Oahu Firearms Owners or something like that. One of the gun groups here in Hawaii
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that was me a while ago...
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that was me a while ago...
It was me yesterday
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I've been to golf courses, shooting ranges, and any number of other types of places that charge for memberships, but I never once was asked to buy a membership before spending my money in their stores, pro shops, gift shops, or whatever shops. Retail stores are usually open the to public. Requiring a membership is just so ... Sam's Club.
And Sams/Costco sells for way under normal retail, so spending on a membership is worth it. But buying a membership and paying above normal prices is a no go for me.
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And Sams/Costco sells for way under normal retail, so spending on a membership is worth it. But buying a membership and paying above normal prices is a no go for me.
I think "worth it" is the bottom line. What benefit do you get from the basic membership fee besides the privilege of spending more money with them?
Sam's and Costco both offer not only bulk prices that are cheaper most times than other options, but they also carry many items that are produced exclusively for those retailers. Take a Bissell vacuum, for example. You can find model 4433 and 5533 (made up numbers) at Walmart and Target, but at Costco, they have model 5510. That model is exclusive to Costco, and may have SOME features on the 5533 but not all, plus attachments you'd have to buy separately for both other models. That keeps Costco from doing price matching with other stores that don't carry the same model, plus you get an in-between model with top end features PLUS attachments that can save $50-$100 plus, all for a price that's less than the top model.
Also, you get cash-back rebates the more you shop at the warehouses.
Anyway, the point is, there is a financial benefit to being a Sam's or Costco member. With X-Ring, I just don't see any added value for the customer to pay for a membership.
Having said that, I do know there are laws that allow certain businesses to operate as a member's only club. Not sure what the advantages are, but I remember needing to join Pets Discount Warehouse to shop there. I just checked Dog Trainer on the application, and got my membership card. No membership fee!!
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Yup. It's why I no shop there. I'm not paying for a membership to buy overpriced stuff, when most every other shop on the island has the same thing, or I just order it through the shops
Been there once and saw how expensive everything was and how rude one of the guys that works there was. I never went back and direct everyone I know not to shop there.
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Doesn’t look like my kind of place. Too bad. I live close by.
Lots of 2a folks do but they won’t patronize the place either.
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I've never been. My initial decision not to support them was based on one individual. Not sure if they are around or associated with the shop anymore, but from the level of interaction from their "new customer service and social media person" and first hand experiences shared by others here, I don't envision that changing. They are either outright ignoring questions from 2a board members that were front and center when they were getting started. Or they are just to disconnected that they don't care. Either way, that's not a business that I would support.
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I've never been. My initial decision not to support them was based on one individual. Not sure if they are around or associated with the shop anymore, but from the level of interaction from their "new customer service and social media person" and first hand experiences shared by others here, I don't envision that changing. They are either outright ignoring questions from 2a board members that were front and center when they were getting started. Or they are just to disconnected that they don't care. Either way, that's not a business that I would support.
When I go back to around 2013 posts here, X-Ring is in most people's lists of best LGS to spend your money with.
Since they opened the range, it's like nobody that's willing to try them out likes them now.
I had a low opinion when I visited around 2012/2013 my first time. Maybe it was the Haole factor, but there was no effort to greet me or find out what I was looking for. Felt like I walked into a hardware store and everyone was on lunch break. Had no idea what they had, what it cost or what was on sale -- if anything.
Then the range thing happened, and then the membership and subscription costs on top of high ammo prices -- if they had what you needed in stock!
Most businesses try to find out what the public's perception of the business is so they can work on their image, reviews and appeal. It's taken YEARS for them to care enough to start interacting with the forum membership again. Seems like the social media and customer service hire was an attempt to work on that, but now that guy is AWOL, too.
I'll say it again -- I wonder how they manage to stay in business.
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I've never been. My initial decision not to support them was based on one individual. Not sure if they are around or associated with the shop anymore, but from the level of interaction from their "new customer service and social media person" and first hand experiences shared by others here, I don't envision that changing. They are either outright ignoring questions from 2a board members that were front and center when they were getting started. Or they are just to disconnected that they don't care. Either way, that's not a business that I would support.
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When I go back to around 2013 posts here, X-Ring is in most people's lists of best LGS to spend your money with.
They had Speedy then.
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They had Speedy then.
Yeah, he was cool. Anybody know what happened to him?
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Also, you get cash-back rebates the more you shop at the warehouses.
Anyway, the point is, there is a financial benefit to being a Sam's or Costco member. With X-Ring, I just don't see any added value for the customer to pay for a membership.
Having said that, I do know there are laws that allow certain businesses to operate as a member's only club. Not sure what the advantages are, but I remember needing to join Pets Discount Warehouse to shop there. I just checked Dog Trainer on the application, and got my membership card. No membership fee!!
Agreed. The cash back is awesome at sams. The amount i spend, i save on avg, 40-60 bucks a week at sams rather than walmart. Since walmart doesnt charge memebership each item i get is 1 to 2 dollars more. And tbh the amount i spend yearly, the cash back i get pays my membership and more. So it pretty good.
Anyways, i also went there once and couldnt buy anything so i sat outside when my friends shopped. And tbh i think they were just there for the girl. Lol. Dont recall if they bought anything or not.
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Yeah, he was cool. Anybody know what happened to him?
Does anyone know what happened to Wayne? He disappeared from here and FB.
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Does anyone know what happened to Wayne? He disappeared from here and FB.
:rofl:
he may have had enough berating from the 2A world of Hawaii on why does X-Ding not answer questions and provides such crappy service at a "reduced" price
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:rofl:
he may have had enough berating from the 2A world of Hawaii on why does X-Ding not answer questions and provides such crappy service at a "reduced" price
People wanting to be a professional social media influencer better have thick skin! :geekdanc:
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Does anyone know what happened to Wayne? He disappeared from here and FB.
:rofl:
he may have had enough berating from the 2A world of Hawaii on why does X-Ding not answer questions and provides such crappy service at a "reduced" price
Thinking he was a sacrificial lamb to stir up discussion. Even if bad press, brought them back into relevancy. . . notice how he was initially chiming in every so often. Entered the next "news cycle". . .
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They buttered us up prior to their range opening with things like being able to use our own ammo, which they never did.
They use unfortunate events like COVID to try and squeeze every single dollar out of us with their ridiculous price inflation. And they don’t give people the respect to even respond back lol.
Why would any of us want to support a business like this? I can’t believe they don’t see this lol. I stick to giving my business to stores that actually give a damn to create and keep relationships with us, their customers (SEC, OGC, Young Guns etc...).
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They buttered us up prior to their range opening with things like being able to use our own ammo, which they never did.
They use unfortunate events like COVID to try and squeeze every single dollar out of us with their ridiculous price inflation. And they don’t give people the respect to even respond back lol.
Why would any of us want to support a business like this? I can’t believe they don’t see this lol. I stick to giving my business to stores that actually give a damn to create and keep relationships with us, their customers (SEC, OGC, Young Guns etc...).
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Yep. Instead of listening to the shooting community and looking for compromises, their business model appears to be nothing more than "If you don't like it, f*ck you!"
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I thought the membership fee was a one-time charge. This was relayed to me by two guys who were waiting on the gun registration line at HPD in September. One of these guys swears by X-ring, and he does not look like an owner or employee. Look, a lot of people who live in west Oahu do not have time to visit KHSC. Gas is not cheap. My regular gun shops do not have 6.5 Creedmoor inventory, and this has been the case for months. If X-ring has 10 or more boxes, then they should post this information. That would be a positive.
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I thought the membership fee was a one-time charge. This was relayed to me by two guys who were waiting on the gun registration line at HPD in September. One of these guys swears by X-ring, and he does not look like an owner or employee. Look, a lot of people who live in west Oahu do not have time to visit KHSC. Gas is not cheap. My regular gun shops do not have 6.5 Creedmoor inventory, and this has been the case for months. If X-ring has 10 or more boxes, then they should post this information. That would be a positive.
There is the membership fee, and there is the "subscription" fee. Have to pay both.
The lifetime membership is $29.99, PLUS you have to choose one of the following:
(1) $20 "Daily" Range Fee -- discounted LE and Military: $15 . That's good for 1 day at the range PER PERSON, not per lane. Firearm rentals not included with day rates.
(2) $49/month and get unlimited use of the paper target lanes and complimentary rental of basic handguns and rifles.
That's the annual payment price. If you pay monthly, it'll cost you $69/month.
(3) $79/month and get lane use plus basic and "Black Label" firearm rentals included.
Again, that's the annual payment price. If you pay monthly, it's $99/month.
Add to that your targets and ammo -- must be purchased from the range. Any ammo you don't fire goes home with you .... but you can't bring it back to use! Sometimes they are out of the caliber you want/need, so you can't shoot even though you may have paid the regular or VIP monthly subscription on top of the $29.99 membership.
Firearm rentals are $20 for handguns, $25 for rifles. Black label/Premium firearm rentals are $35. I assume that's for the duration of your range time vs. hourly, since there's nothing stated on the webpage I can see.
These prices came straight from their website. There's a chance the prices are not current if the site hasn't been updated with current prices.
I live in Mililani, and I have never been shooting there. I'm used to mainland indoor ranges that charge $3-$5 per hour, let me bring my own ammo and targets, and often let me go for 1-2 hours more for free if I want if they aren't busy. They check for steel tip ammo with a magnet, and require factory loads only. That's about it. Some of them have monthly and annual memberships with varying prices depending on how often you shoot.
None of the mainland ranges I used went above $100/year for unlimited use memberships, because they know you'll eventually buy ammo, targets and rent firearms to try. I'm sure they make a lot of firearms sales to range visitors, too. The last range I used in NC cost me $5 for 2 hours shooting and 2 large silhouette targets -- no membership fee required, and I used my own factory ammo. I just had to watch a range orientation and safety video for 10 minutes. Most ranges collect your spent brass to resale and reload to sell. It's one way they keep the prices down.
A few years ago, I visited "The" Palmetto State Armory (PSA) range and gun store in SC. It happened to be Memorial Day weekend -- unlimited free range time the whole weekend to the public. The ammo I purchased was cheaper than bulk prices in Hawaii. And the range was super clean, brightly lit, and very modern. I spent maybe $2 for targets -- ammo would have been $15 per 50rd box for 9mm, but I used my own since I had it with me.
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There is the membership fee, and there is the "subscription" fee. Have to pay both.
The lifetime membership is $29.99, PLUS you have to choose one of the following:
(1) $20 "Daily" Range Fee -- discounted LE and Military: $15 . That's good for 1 day at the range PER PERSON, not per lane. Firearm rentals not included with day rates.
(2) $49/month and get unlimited use of the paper target lanes and complimentary rental of basic handguns and rifles.
That's the annual payment price. If you pay monthly, it'll cost you $69/month.
(3) $79/month and get lane use plus basic and "Black Label" firearm rentals included.
Again, that's the annual payment price. If you pay monthly, it's $99/month.
Add to that your targets and ammo -- must be purchased from the range. Any ammo you don't fire goes home with you .... but you can't bring it back to use! Sometimes they are out of the caliber you want/need, so you can't shoot even though you may have paid the regular or VIP monthly subscription on top of the $29.99 membership.
Firearm rentals are $20 for handguns, $25 for rifles. Black label/Premium firearm rentals are $35. I assume that's for the duration of your range time vs. hourly, since there's nothing stated on the webpage I can see.
These prices came straight from their website. There's a chance the prices are not current if the site hasn't been updated with current prices.
I live in Mililani, and I have never been shooting there. I'm used to mainland indoor ranges that charge $3-$5 per hour, let me bring my own ammo and targets, and often let me go for 1-2 hours more for free if I want if they aren't busy. They check for steel tip ammo with a magnet, and require factory loads only. That's about it. Some of them have monthly and annual memberships with varying prices depending on how often you shoot.
None of the mainland ranges I used went above $100/year for unlimited use memberships, because they know you'll eventually buy ammo, targets and rent firearms to try. I'm sure they make a lot of firearms sales to range visitors, too. The last range I used in NC cost me $5 for 2 hours shooting and 2 large silhouette targets -- no membership fee required, and I used my own factory ammo. I just had to watch a range orientation and safety video for 10 minutes. Most ranges collect your spent brass to resale and reload to sell. It's one way they keep the prices down.
A few years ago, I visited "The" Palmetto State Armory (PSA) range and gun store in SC. It happened to be Memorial Day weekend -- unlimited free range time the whole weekend to the public. The ammo I purchased was cheaper than bulk prices in Hawaii. And the range was super clean, brightly lit, and very modern. I spent maybe $2 for targets -- ammo would have been $15 per 50rd box for 9mm, but I used my own since I had it with me.
In my opinion, that price structure was designed in anticipation of the closure of Kokohead
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In my opinion, that price structure was designed in anticipation of the closure of Kokohead
they anticipated the closure of koko head one year ago?
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they anticipated the closure of koko head one year ago?
The lead issue started a year ago with the remediation.
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