Post by: changemyoil66 on April 16, 2021, 09:47:12 AM
I plan on using the 1911 for skill builders/classes. So she won't be a safe queen. So spending $1200 or so is what I'm willing to spend and not have an issue with it being a tool. If I spend say $3k, then I won't want to get her dirty or scratched up.
So correct me if I'm wrong (still researching)
1) Many post/vids of 1911 mention around 5K mark some maintenance will be needed. Mainly the extractor. Compared to my VP9, I have probably double that and no extraction issues. HK says for USP, 10K is still g2g.
2) Heard the 1911 mags don't last as long as other mags. And can't just replace spring, need to buy new mag.
3) 1911 does come with only 7rds, compared to USP or others that can come with 10rd mags without having to buy a mag extension. So that's added cost per mag.
So what's everyones thoughts. Again, this pistol will be a workhorse. I won't add a RDS,but probably a fiber optic and WML.
Post by: ren on April 16, 2021, 09:51:53 AM
a good smith can work on a 1911 for less. I paid $850 for a new fitted Kart barrel, slide to frame fit, trigger tune and new sights.
I sent it to Dave Salyer and got it back ina couple of weeks.
I read many good reviews on the Springfield Range Officer which can be had for less than $1k.
A 1911 can be accurized but other pistols you mentioned dont have a history of accurizing.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 16, 2021, 10:28:29 AM
the trigger in a 1911 is another important factor to consider. Its a straght pull back
a good smith can work on a 1911 for less. I paid $850 for a new fitted Kart barrel, slide to frame fit, trigger tune and new sights.
I sent it to Dave Salyer and got it back ina couple of weeks.
I read many good reviews on the Springfield Range Officer which can be had for less than $1k.
A 1911 can be accurized but other pistols you mentioned dont have a history of accurizing.
I'll check out the RO.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 16, 2021, 12:09:17 PM
My 1911 is the Sig Nightmare. I chose it because it takes the standard 1911 design and improves some of the ergonomics. Plus, the black and silver colors just appeal to me. Comes with an 8rd mag and 7rd mag. I also got a free soft Sig pistol case at the time. I added a few Wilson Combat Elite 8rd mags.
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https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/custom-handguns/1911-professional-45-acp-handgun
Hickok45 goes into great detail on the specs, close tolerances and accuracy of the Springfield Professional. If $1200 is your budget, then get the most gun with the best reviews you can in that price range.
If this is for range shooting, look at one with adjustable sights. You should probably try out several 1911s from other owners or rent them at a range if they have. So many out there, and your preferences may not be similar to others.
https://youtu.be/oH-K3rn_VRg
Post by: stangzilla on April 16, 2021, 12:38:25 PM
https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-loaded-handguns/1911-loaded-operator-45-acp-handgun/
Mine is a Long Beach Operator, essentially a Loaded Operator. Made for the Long Beach SWAT team. I think they went back to a Glock a few years ago
I also have the regular RO Operator, and a RO Elite Target. All in 45acp, what a 1911 should be. ;)
The Elite Target and Loaded Operator both have tight tolerances. Need several hundred rounds to break in. The Loaded still needs a bushing wrench to field strip. Someone with weak hands could never rack it brand new. But I'm sure you could handle it no problem. Cocking hamner first then rack the slide made it easier at first. Now it's much smoother.
The regular RO Operator also runs flawlessly. I can rack it just like any striker fire. Its much easier to rack than the other 2 more expensive ones
If I were to run one of them for drills and beat on it, I'd use the regular RO Operator but the trigger and accuracy is better on the Loaded Operator
Loaded Operator might just make your budget, maybe a hundred more or so
1911's are cool. Nothing says America quite like a 1911 :thumbsup:
Post by: stangzilla on April 16, 2021, 12:39:46 PM
The quality of the 1911 is largely a function of price. The Springfield Professional 1911 that the FBI and HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) issue has a civilian MSRP of $3,363.00, But the tolerances on it are so tight, it takes some breaking-in just to be able to rack the slide easily!
My 1911 is the Sig Nightmare. I chose it because it takes the standard 1911 design and improves some of the ergonomics. Plus, the black and silver colors just appeal to me. Comes with an 8rd mag and 7rd mag. I also got a free soft Sig pistol case at the time. I added a few Wilson Combat Elite 8rd mags.
(https://i.imgur.com/Q7Emu1N.jpg)
https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/custom-handguns/1911-professional-45-acp-handgun
Hickok45 goes into great detail on the specs, close tolerances and accuracy of the Springfield Professional. If $1200 is your budget, then get the most gun with the best reviews you can in that price range.
If this is for range shooting, look at one with adjustable sights. You should probably try out several 1911s from other owners or rent them at a range if they have. So many out there, and your preferences may not be similar to others.
https://youtu.be/oH-K3rn_VRg
Shot my friends Sig Nightmare a few times and it shoots great!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 16, 2021, 01:30:17 PM
Shot my friends Sig Nightmare a few times and it shoots great!
I have no complaints with my Nightmare. I bought it online from Grab-a-Gun when they still shipped here. Cost me $825 plus $25 FFL. Regular price was around $1100.
If I remember correctly, Sig was running a special at the time for a free additional magazine plus the pistol rug/case. That added another $50 in value, essentially dropping the gun's price to $775.
I bought the Wilson Combat Elite 8rd mags at MidwayUSA using my birthday discount. Reg: $34.95. Discount price: $30.18@
As for springs and followers, I guess it may depend on the brand magazine you buy. Wilson Follower and Spring sets are available for the mags I have.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1016671166?pid=635837
Since I have both Sig and Wilson mags, I can test swapping the internals to see if Wilson springs and followers fit the Sig mags. I have a feeling they will. I'll check that later when I have the motivation to walk into the next room! :sleeping:
Post by: jc2721 on April 16, 2021, 01:39:26 PM
The trigger break is the most important part of shooting any pistol well, in my opinion. Sights come second.
Mechanically, safety is paramount--basically all of the mechanical safeties on the 1911 of your choice should work properly.
Reliability is also extremely important--a 1911 can have a fantastic trigger, it can group its shots phenomenally well and be beautifully finished, but if it jams once every magazine full it'll be extremely frustrating to shoot.
Lots of people buy "boutique" guns for the bragging rights but they don't (or can't) shoot worth a damn.
I personally like "sleepers," guns that may not look like much but are totally reliable, safe and shoot "lights out," as they say. It took me a long time to find those guns and I won't sell them.
To me, it sounds like you have a pretty good plan--spend +/- 1k on a quality piece and shoot it.
Resist the urge to spend $ on frills or cosmetics and put the $ into more ammo for range time.
Once you've gotten to the point where you can consistently hit the black, then start looking at mods--by then you'll know what you want/need.
As to make, I like Colt the best and most of my keepers are Colts. To each their own.
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Post by: jc2721 on April 16, 2021, 02:00:19 PM
1) basic 1911 maintainence is to replace the recoil and firing pin springs every 5000 rounds or so. In my opinion, that's not a hard and fast rule. If you've shot 5000 +/- rounds through your pistol you'll probably form your own opinion on maintainence by then.
I don't like the shok-buffs--dubious function and they seem to fall apart and mess up the insides when you least expect it.
Extractor tension is one of those things where you adjust it when it needs it. There are many variables involved, so if you can get Kuhnhausen's book on the 1911 you'll be way ahead of the game.
2) magazines should be considered consumable--eventually something will break or wear out. 1911 magazines are readily available and generally not too expensive. Good quality, reliable magazines like the Wilson 47s are worth the money.
Mainsprings in the 1911 pattern magazines are replaceable, you just have to know how to do it. By the time the mainspring wears out, the follower or feed lips will have worn so maybe it will be time to replace the whole thing
3) 7 round capacity--most of the time you'll be shooting at the pistol range, which limits you to 5 rounds anyway, so...probably a non-issue. If you're going to compete in the action bay games, then capacity matters.
Learn to hit the target with the first round and capacity will take care of itself, as long as you are not fighting off the zombie apocalypse.
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Post by: drck1000 on April 16, 2021, 04:01:06 PM
I’ve shot the HK USP Full size, Mk23, Expert, etc. They are beasts of guns. If you haven’t shot them, highly suggest you try one. My first gun was a USP 40 Compact, but I shot the full size a lot at the range (where I eventually bought my HK) before going with the Compact.
I have 1911 9 and 45. I enjoy shooting them. Never shot the 45 in a class/skill builder, but would be fun. I used to enjoy shooting all different guns in fun/open shoots. Still do, but I’ve gone back to tried and true for both pistol and rifle.
While 1911 45s are surely fun, you’re the same Indian, no? Haha
I long wanted either a nice SA 1911 or even a Wilson or Nighthawk. But those suckers are $$$. A nice SA 1911 is likely the most realistic.
Post by: drck1000 on April 16, 2021, 04:03:50 PM
There are 8 and 10rd mags.I have both for 9 and 45. The 10 round 45 mags are fun. Haha. I should try shooting single stack one of these days, but the “standard” mags of course.
OP is a bit bipolar tho. Looking at an expensive gun and arguably luxury gun, but whinging about cost of mags.
Post by: jc2721 on April 16, 2021, 04:08:39 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 16, 2021, 04:54:54 PM
I have both for 9 and 45. The 10 round 45 mags are fun. Haha. I should try shooting single stack one of these days, but the “standard” mags of course.
OP is a bit bipolar tho. Looking at an expensive gun and arguably luxury gun, but whinging about cost of mags.
Next, he'll be whining about the cost of .45ACP ammo! :rofl:
I stood next to a 1911 shooter at the Front Sight Defensive Handgun Course. He needed one or two more loaded mags on him to get through each shooting session as I needed with 10rd mags. Comparing the firepower of a 7+1 or 8+1 1911 to ANY Hawaii-compliant 10+1 handgun becomes such a close call it's almost moot. I consider it a wash when factoring in the slightly higher degree of effectiveness of the 230g projectile vs. a 115g or 124g 9mm.
Of course, it's a matter of rounds on target -- whether or not you can shoot a .45ACP 1911 as well as your favorite 9mm with 10rd compliant mags.
Post by: stangzilla on April 16, 2021, 04:55:40 PM
So many good options for a 1911
I wouldn't go lower than a regular RO. Ronin looks nice too
I'm partial to Springfield 1911's 🤙
Post by: mrgaf on April 16, 2021, 06:00:57 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 16, 2021, 07:00:14 PM
Say what you may but I have a Kimber 191A1 stainless target. Bought in 1997 when Kimber first started making hand fitted, semi custom 1911’s. At present it has close to 10K thru it. Never a FTF, FTE, or any other mishaps. Accurate as hell too. Carried for 10 years while I hunted in Alaska along with my Ruger Alaskan 454 Casull. These days Kimber quality has fallen off though.....S.A. RO is a great firearm as well. Very happy with mine.... :shaka:
The last time I went to the range in NC, I noticed in the rental display case a really old looking Kimber. The guy told me that gun has had a verified 1 million rounds plus fired through it, and only 1 spring ever needed changing. Original barrel, slide, frame, trigger, etc.
He said Guinness Book would have the gun listed, but there's no existing category for that, and anyone else would have a tough time verifying the round counts. Since the gun has always been a rental there, they know how many boxes of ammo were fired.
Several have asked to buy it, but they want to keep it as a working rental for as long as possible.
When I got back into shooting about 2012, Kimber was on my list of guns to consider. But, as you said, the reviews had fallen way off. Kimber just isn't the quality 1911 people came to trust and love decades before. The expectations just aren't there for me anymore compared to price.
My friend bought a Ed Brown 1911 that a member here was selling about the 2013-2014. So far, he's still in love with it. I think it was in the $2,000 neighborhood, which was a bargain when you looked at the price new.
Post by: oldfart on April 16, 2021, 08:04:11 PM
If you need help feeding the beast send me a pm. I have some experience.
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Post by: aaronc5362 on April 16, 2021, 10:04:50 PM
Have you considered p227 or p220? Or xdm competiton?
227 is very similar to 226, if ya held a 226.
Ive shot a xdm but not competition and it was pretty nice too.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 16, 2021, 10:06:53 PM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 16, 2021, 10:07:43 PM
Kinda off topic but reading your original post, you were lookin at other options.I saw the 227, but they stopped making it. not a fan of the XD. Ill look into the 220.
Have you considered p227 or p220? Or xdm match?
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 16, 2021, 10:18:01 PM
Next, he'll be whining about the cost of .45ACP ammo! :rofl:Wait 45 cost more than 9?
I stood next to a 1911 shooter at the Front Sight Defensive Handgun Course. He needed one or two more loaded mags on him to get through each shooting session as I needed with 10rd mags. Comparing the firepower of a 7+1 or 8+1 1911 to ANY Hawaii-compliant 10+1 handgun becomes such a close call it's almost moot. I consider it a wash when factoring in the slightly higher degree of effectiveness of the 230g projectile vs. a 115g or 124g 9mm.
Of course, it's a matter of rounds on target -- whether or not you can shoot a .45ACP 1911 as well as your favorite 9mm with 10rd compliant mags.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 16, 2021, 11:55:13 PM
I saw the 227, but they stopped making it. not a fan of the XD. Ill look into the 220.
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I have the Sig Sauer P227. Uses the same holsters as my P226 MK25 9mm.
The grip is just a bit wider than the P226 grip. The rest of the dimensions are very similar.
Std capacity of P226 9mm is 15 rds. P227 is 10 rds.
If you like the ergonomics and control placement of the P226, the P227 will be completely familiar.
My son-in-law wants to try my P227 out to see if he wants to buy it. If he doesn't want it, I'll be posting it for sale.
I also have a Glock 30 .45ACP compact -- 10rd capacity. I'll be listing it soon, too.
I've decided my P320 is my new favorite 9mm, closely followed by the P226. My .45 is the 1911 Nightmare. I'm trying to thin out my collection to a more manageable size.
Post by: drck1000 on April 17, 2021, 12:18:36 AM
1911 mags are $35 ish? I have no problem replacing them since HK mags are $55+. Didnt know they were that cheap.Wilson mags can be had for $30ish on sale. That said, it’s not about looks of firearms. It’s not about price. It’s about what is effective. Up to you about what you need.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 17, 2021, 12:59:29 AM
Wilson mags can be had for $30ish on sale. That said, it’s not about looks of firearms. It’s not about price. It’s about what is effective. Up to you about what you need.
You show your friends your expensive 1911.
You show your enemies your Glock!
Post by: blastoff747 on April 17, 2021, 01:02:01 AM
https://shopwilsoncombat.com/Magazine-1911-Elite-Tactical-45-ACP-Full-Size-10-Round-Polymer-Extended-Base-Pad-FEED-RAILS-Ammunition-System/productinfo/500-45FS10/ (https://shopwilsoncombat.com/Magazine-1911-Elite-Tactical-45-ACP-Full-Size-10-Round-Polymer-Extended-Base-Pad-FEED-RAILS-Ammunition-System/productinfo/500-45FS10/)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/yKwAAOSwtANebLAi/s-l640.jpg)
Love my dan wesson discretion. Dan wesson vigil (MSRP $1300) might be in your price range.
https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/vigil/ (https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/vigil/)
Post by: Bota-CS1 on April 17, 2021, 06:15:58 AM
Wait 45 cost more than 9?
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You shot my Springfield with the 10 round mags.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 17, 2021, 08:41:57 AM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 17, 2021, 08:42:11 AM
You shot my Springfield with the 10 round mags.Which model was it?
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Post by: Bota-CS1 on April 17, 2021, 08:49:59 AM
Which model was it?
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It was the Loaded Baked Potato...j/k it was the Loaded Operator
Post by: macsak on April 17, 2021, 09:50:24 AM
It was the Loaded Baked Potato...j/k it was the Loaded Operator
mmmm
loaded baked potato...
Post by: macsak on April 17, 2021, 09:50:44 AM
So do these wilson 1911 mags fit in any 1911?
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Post by: aletheuo137 on April 17, 2021, 10:49:09 AM
Wait 45 cost more than 9?Hasn't been proven in a court of law!
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 17, 2021, 12:33:40 PM
Hasn't been proven in a court of law!
I could have gone ALL DAY without that reference!! :popcorn:
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 17, 2021, 01:22:04 PM
So do these wilson 1911 mags fit in any 1911?
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There are plenty of different terms used for the different sizes of 1911's. There are 5 basic styles that they can be grouped in.
Long Slide - 6" slide on a full size frame.
Government - 5" slide with a full size frame. The standard flush fit magazine typically holds 7 rounds.
Commander - 4.25" slide with full size frame. There are some manufacturer's that use a 4" slide, but they are generally referred to as a "Commander."
Concealed Carry Officer or CCO - 4.25" slide with Officer frame.
Officer - 3.5" slide with Officer frame. The Officer is a shorter frame and the standard flush fit magazines hold 6 rounds. 3" slides are often referred to as an "Officer" as well.
https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/1911-sizes.177/
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There are currently three "frame" sizes for most 1911 pistols, roughly corresponding to
full-size, compact and subcompact sizes. There are also a number of micro-sized pistols
that have 1911-derived designs as well.
Government frame: the "Government" frame is the full-size pistol. Barrel length is 5 inches,
for an overall length of 8.25 inches. Height is usually 5.5 inches, and width is typically about
1 inch \at the slide and around 1.2 inches at the grip.
Commander frame: the "Commander frame" is derived from the Colt Commander of 1950,
and is a very popular compact model that some prefer for concealed carry. In truth, "compact"
is somewhat relative. A true Commander 1911 has merely had ¾" shaved off the barrel and
slide, but is otherwise the same size.
Officer frame: the Officer 1911 is the subcompact variant. Standard barrel length is 3.5 inches
for most models from most manufacturers, though there are shorter barrel lengths out there.
The grip is also shortened, as most Officer frames are 4.8 inches in height or shorter.
There is some overlap between Commander and Officer frames. The original version - the
Rock Island Arsenal Officer's pistol was a Commander slide with a shortened grip, and a
number of 1911 pistols with a Commander slide and barrel but Officer frames are available
to date.
Micro 1911 pistols, like the Kimber Micro, Sig Sauer P238 and P938, and the Colt Mustang,
take many cues from the 1911. These pistols are micro-sized and are highly popular for concealed
carry, though are chambered for .380 and 9mm only. The single-action operation remains,
as does the thumb safety, but the grip safety is omitted.
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The Government frame is arguably the most popular full-size gun for concealed carry, as the slim
dimensions - less than an inch at the slide, no more than 1.3 inches at the grips - allow it to be
concealed more easily than the double-stack "wonder nines" of the modern era. Both IWB and
OWB concealed carry with a full-size is easily done.
Commander frames are not much smaller than the Government frame, but the Officer frame
pistols are certainly the 1911 pistol to have for a CCW gun.
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Another thing to be aware of is the Achilles' heel of the 1911 pistol is the magazines. Factory mags
can be of varying quality; some are great and some should be tossed straight away. As a result, it's
a good idea to invest in some quality magazines. MecGar, Chip McCormick and Wilson Combat are
very popular brands.
https://aliengearholsters.com/blog/guide-to-the-1911-pistol/
So, now that we've described the common 1911 pistol variations and sizes, we need to look at the mags that fit them:
(https://i.imgur.com/7kKRCOY.png)
CM_1911_Mag_Size_Guide.pdf
https://support.checkmatemagazines.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/360070896214/CM_1911_Mag_Size_Guide.pdf
If your 1911 is micro or other proprietary design, you'll have the check the specs. You probably can't use standard size 1911 mags.
Although the sizes of 1911 mags are for the most part standard, the designs of the pistols may mean yours will work with any brand/model mag, or you may find only a few brands/models are truly compatible. It's best to buy AND TRY AT THE RANGE to make sure. Keep what works, and sell what doesn't. I went with Wilson Combat Elite ETM because many Nightmare owners recommended it, and the ETM design was getting top reviews. The mag with the extended floor plate resembles the stock mag for my Sig 1911 almost exactly, which is a plus for me.
Post by: aletheuo137 on April 17, 2021, 01:40:25 PM
I could have gone ALL DAY without that reference!! :popcorn:Sorry to spoil your day!
:geekdanc: :shaka:
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Post by: ren on April 17, 2021, 02:37:51 PM
The quality of the 1911 is largely a function of price. The Springfield Professional 1911 that the FBI and HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) issue has a civilian MSRP of $3,363.00, But the tolerances on it are so tight, it takes some breaking-in just to be able to rack the slide easily!
My 1911 is the Sig Nightmare. I chose it because it takes the standard 1911 design and improves some of the ergonomics. Plus, the black and silver colors just appeal to me. Comes with an 8rd mag and 7rd mag. I also got a free soft Sig pistol case at the time. I added a few Wilson Combat Elite 8rd mags.
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cute gun
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 17, 2021, 02:48:03 PM
cute gun
It trips my trigger! :thumbsup: :geekdanc: :shaka:
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 17, 2021, 06:09:11 PM
https://www.1911addicts.com/threads/1911-sizes.177/This helps bigtime. Thanks.
https://aliengearholsters.com/blog/guide-to-the-1911-pistol/
So, now that we've described the common 1911 pistol variations and sizes, we need to look at the mags that fit them:
(https://i.imgur.com/7kKRCOY.png)
CM_1911_Mag_Size_Guide.pdf
https://support.checkmatemagazines.com/hc/en-us/article_attachments/360070896214/CM_1911_Mag_Size_Guide.pdf
If your 1911 is micro or other proprietary design, you'll have the check the specs. You probably can't use standard size 1911 mags.
Although the sizes of 1911 mags are for the most part standard, the designs of the pistols may mean yours will work with any brand/model mag, or you may find only a few brands/models are truly compatible. It's best to buy AND TRY AT THE RANGE to make sure. Keep what works, and sell what doesn't. I went with Wilson Combat Elite ETM because many Nightmare owners recommended it, and the ETM design was getting top reviews. The mag with the extended floor plate resembles the stock mag for my Sig 1911 almost exactly, which is a plus for me.
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Post by: macsak on April 17, 2021, 07:52:07 PM
This helps bigtime. Thanks.
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focus
Post by: jc2721 on April 18, 2021, 05:48:20 PM
A well-used Colt 1911A1 from the '50's -'60's can be found pretty cheap. Probably just replace the barrel and sights and you're all good.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210417/e803bc1ff9773cd9b6e5625d2c9149bc.jpg)Lol, in your dreams. Those years represented the best craftsmanship of the post war Era. Slide flats absolutely flat with mirror polishing and the deep, rich bluing that Colt was famous for. Generally the slide to frame fit was good and triggers crisp. The Series 70s guns, while still nicely polished and blued, were rattle traps compared to guns of the 50s and 60s.
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Unless the seller has absolutely no clue you won't find one for less than 4 figures. Check sold prices on the auction sites, as there are damn few ever offered for sale locally (I've only been doing the gun shows for nearly 40 years now...)
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Post by: dv808 on April 18, 2021, 06:16:43 PM
Lol, in your dreams. Those years represented the best craftsmanship of the post war Era. Slide flats absolutely flat with mirror polishing and the deep, rich bluing that Colt was famous for. Generally the slide to frame fit was good and triggers crisp. The Series 70s guns, while still nicely polished and blued, were rattle traps compared to guns of the 50s and 60s.
Unless the seller has absolutely no clue you won't find one for less than 4 figures. Check sold prices on the auction sites, as there are damn few ever offered for sale locally (I've only been doing the gun shows for nearly 40 years now...)
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If mine wasn't in at least good to average condition, I'd do those upgrades. I got mine which was made in 1953 at a lgs on consignment. This was just over 2 years ago and it was for much less than 4-figures. It came with a couple barrels, non-original grips and a set of Herrett target grips. I personally don't care for the series 70 and newer. I guess you missed this one and I just got lucky. I was in consignment for at least a year. There was a military-issue ww2 one for sale at the same time but asking was well into 4-figures. There were some inconsistencies like a possible refinish.
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Post by: 6716J on April 18, 2021, 06:26:27 PM
Magazines... some run better than others. (2) 7 rounders, (2) 8 round Taurus factory and (2) 10 round Wilsons. I have to break in the Wilson's I think as I have a failure to feed issue when full. Think it spring over load and wants to double feed. No issues when I get to 6 or 7 rounds left. But at the end of the day, 1911 mags are cheap to come by and they are all interchangeable
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Post by: jc2721 on April 18, 2021, 06:59:16 PM
Yes, that was a lucky find 2 years ago; I don't find (or buy) them all, lol. Looking at the enlarged pic, there seems to be quite a lot of pits and scratches; price is usually commensurate with condition.
If mine wasn't in at least good to average condition, I'd do those upgrades. I got mine which was made in 1953 at a lgs on consignment. This was just over 2 years ago and it was for much less than 4-figures. It came with a couple barrels, non-original grips and a set of Herrett target grips. I personally don't care for the series 70 and newer. I guess you missed this one and I just got lucky. I was in consignment for at least a year. There was a military-issue ww2 one for sale at the same time but asking was well into 4-figures. There were some inconsistencies like a possible refinish.
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Post by: dv808 on April 18, 2021, 07:10:51 PM
Yes, that was a lucky find 2 years ago; I don't find (or buy) them all, lol. Looking at the enlarged pic, there seems to be quite a lot of pits and scratches; price is usually commensurate with condition.
There are some scratches but no pitting.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 19, 2021, 12:37:10 PM
Post by: drck1000 on April 19, 2021, 01:01:09 PM
Thanks for all the input and recommendations. I didn't realize there were so many different 1911 available. I have to look at the various websites on a desktop. Phone is too small and I want to open up different tabs to compare. Then last night I was on YT and 2011 popped up. I hope that doesn't add to the cluster of options.Models? Or sizes? Full size, commander, compact, etc?
To me, those are driven by what you want to use it for. I've only ever seriously considered full size. No interest in smaller, at least for 1911.
And yes, 2011s are attractive IF mag capacity weren't restricted here.
Post by: stangzilla on April 19, 2021, 01:19:33 PM
friend of mine had a smaller than commander Kimber 1911
it would jam every so often and was so small cannot get a good grip on it so was a PITA to clear the jam bc was so small. was 9mm too
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 19, 2021, 01:32:06 PM
Thanks for all the input and recommendations. I didn't realize there were so many different 1911 available. I have to look at the various websites on a desktop. Phone is too small and I want to open up different tabs to compare. Then last night I was on YT and 2011 popped up. I hope that doesn't add to the cluster of options.
If you already decided on .45ACP, that eliminates a good number of models.
If you've set a budget, that also thins out the pool of options.
The last "category" to decide upon, as Drck100 said, is frame size. That will dictate the max number of rounds you can have per mag.
Since this is a 1911 discussion, I'd avoid mixing in 2011, mini-1911, and other variants. You already decided on 1911. No sense in bringing every other .45ACP, 9mm, .22LR, .357Sig and 10mm that looks like a 1911 into the already huge list of choices. Unless, of course, you hadn't already considered other variants. If you go that route, you're going to make the choice that much more difficult.
Once you have the 3 1911 categories nailed down: caliber, frame and price, there is one other thing to consider. Do you have to have new, or is used/pre-owned an option? In today's crazy market, you might not be able to find what you want new at all. Retailers are sold out of many models and may take months or a year to fill an order placed today. If you do find what you want, it may only be on Gun Broker and at more than MSRP.
If you do happen to find a good deal on a used 1911, it may still be close to MSRP, simply due to limited supply and high demand. Good deals will be few and far between unless you're lucky and move on it quickly.
I recommend you make a list of the 1911s you would actually buy at MSRP or below. Then watch for that gun to be available at a store, online, at Gun Broker or in the classifieds. Many people (me) are taking advantage of the high market prices to divest ourselves of guns we bought on impulse and can now get back at least close to what we have invested in them. It's a seller's market for the most part.
So, make that list. Then make another of brands and models you'd like to get if the price is right. You might stumble on "the sale of the decade" and score a much nicer 1911 for just a bit more cash.
Making lists will keep you focused on a small, manageable pool of options, and it'll help you "pull the trigger" if you find a great price on one of your listed guns.
I always have one gun I'm looking to buy. If I find it, and the price is better than I've seen it before, I usually buy it. Until then, it keeps me from impulse purchases of other guns. That, and the fact my safe is too full for more guns! :rofl:
Post by: stangzilla on April 19, 2021, 02:04:08 PM
Ruger SR1911. nice entry level
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Springfield RO Operator. a little better than entry level
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Springfield RO Elite Target. tighter slide to frame fitting, better accuracy, better trigger, slim grips
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Springfield Long Beach Operator. basically a Loaded Operator. my favorite of my collection. tightest slide to frame fitting, great trigger, Trijicon night sights, accurate, flared magwell. everything you need, nothing you don't need. ;)
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i'm partial to Springfield 1911's
I'd like to get a Nighthawk Custom one day, after i get my Colt Anaconda. gotta have priorities :shaka:
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 19, 2021, 02:09:39 PM
Models? Or sizes? Full size, commander, compact, etc?
To me, those are driven by what you want to use it for. I've only ever seriously considered full size. No interest in smaller, at least for 1911.
And yes, 2011s are attractive IF mag capacity weren't restricted here.
So 1 thing I've narrowed it down to is a commander. for CCW, I would just carry my VP9.
The 2011's as I look more into it, you're right, a waste in HI. I can just get wilson combat 10rd mags single stack. Same reason why I was looking into the USP that comes with 10rd mags so I don't have to modify a 1911 to 10rds. But at the time, I didn't realize how much cheaper 1911 mags were compared to HK. So buying 10rd 1911 mags are no longer a concern. So the USP is out.
Post by: drck1000 on April 19, 2021, 02:41:24 PM
So 1 thing I've narrowed it down to is a commander. for CCW, I would just carry my VP9.Your gun, your preference. However, what drove you to narrow things down to commander size?
The 2011's as I look more into it, you're right, a waste in HI. I can just get wilson combat 10rd mags single stack. Same reason why I was looking into the USP that comes with 10rd mags so I don't have to modify a 1911 to 10rds. But at the time, I didn't realize how much cheaper 1911 mags were compared to HK. So buying 10rd 1911 mags are no longer a concern. So the USP is out.
For .45 ACP mags, you'll see some folks selling Wilson mags in the classifieds. I see sales online here and there as well. Brownells was one where I bought when on sale.
Another aspect is assuming that you're used shooting double stack guns, reloads can be a bit more challenging with single stack mags. Particularly without mag wells. At least that's what I noticed for me. Can you get better at it? Sure, but something that I noticed.
Post by: stangzilla on April 19, 2021, 03:00:11 PM
never had a problem with the Mecgar mags. they have a anti tilt plastic follower. they work better than the standard GI mags. i dont like the GI mags some dont feed well and some are a pain to load bc the followers tilt. i never used any of those Wilson combat ones or any other high end mags
Post by: WTF?Shane on April 19, 2021, 03:48:30 PM
So 1 thing I've narrowed it down to is a commander. for CCW, I would just carry my VP9.
If it's a class gun, stick with the standard 5 inch barrel.
Post by: drck1000 on April 19, 2021, 04:34:46 PM
If it's a class gun, stick with the standard 5 inch barrel.Words of wisdom. :thumbsup:
Post by: oldfart on April 19, 2021, 05:43:42 PM
many recommend not going smaller than a commander size bc smaller than that can get malfunctions....
friend of mine had a smaller than commander Kimber 1911
it would jam every so often and was so small cannot get a good grip on it so was a PITA to clear the jam bc was so small. was 9mm too
This has been my experience.
It takes a little understanding and patience, but once you dial it in, they are so cool and fun to shoot.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 19, 2021, 08:50:05 PM
Your gun, your preference. However, what drove you to narrow things down to commander size?Oops meant government (no focus). I want a full size gun. The vp9 and czp10c is more of my "commander" size.
For .45 ACP mags, you'll see some folks selling Wilson mags in the classifieds. I see sales online here and there as well. Brownells was one where I bought when on sale.
Another aspect is assuming that you're used shooting double stack guns, reloads can be a bit more challenging with single stack mags. Particularly without mag wells. At least that's what I noticed for me. Can you get better at it? Sure, but something that I noticed.
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Post by: oldfart on April 19, 2021, 08:53:58 PM
Oops meant government (no focus). I want a full size gun. The vp9 and czp10c is more of my "commander" size.....
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Commanders have excellent balance and handling.
I had one but sold it because I was stoopid.
Post by: macsak on April 19, 2021, 09:04:18 PM
Oops meant government (no focus). I want a full size gun. The vp9 and czp10c is more of my "commander" size.
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you already get one of these:
the Officer 1911 is the subcompact variant. Standard barrel length is 3.5 inches
Post by: stangzilla on April 20, 2021, 07:19:28 AM
....
Commanders have excellent balance and handling.
I had one but sold it because I was stoopid.
my Ruger SR1911 is commander size. not much difference with the government size other than the barrel being .75" shorter. IWB carry maybe better than a Gov model, otherwise grip is the same. i like having both the Gov and Commander sizes. nice to have options :shaka:
Post by: stangzilla on April 20, 2021, 07:27:55 AM
a couple models that have tempted me and still tempt me when i see one in person for sale at a LGS:
https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/specialist-2/
https://danwessonfirearms.com/product/vigil/
I've seen the Vigil at SEC recently. i would have bought it, but i'm short on funds and i'm waiting for the Anaconda to get here. Vigil is aluminum frame
I've never owned nor shot a Dan Wesson anything, so I'm just going on reviews and what i read online. maybe after handling one i'll have a better opinion on them.
Dan Wesson now associated with CZ, both are known for quality and function.
i would still recommend a Springfield Armory 1911 bc that's what i have experience with. but Dan Wesson does look like a good 1911. (and 357 revolver too)
just throwing out some options :shaka:
Post by: oldfart on April 20, 2021, 07:36:05 AM
Not only with the pistol but also the gal who was shooting it....she was a good marksman.
It turns out she used to work with my cousin. Hawaii is a small place. Watch your manners.
Post by: OldMose on April 20, 2021, 05:01:09 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 24, 2021, 08:15:26 PM
Took some getting used to the safety and the thumb dont reach the slide release. Not an issie cause i power stroke anyways.
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Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2021, 11:29:16 AM
Tried a dan wesson today. Thanks dogman.For the safety, are you referring to having to work the safety (click off and back on)? Or how it falls in or affects your grip? For the latter, there are (or can be) benefits for the position of the safety.
Took some getting used to the safety and the thumb dont reach the slide release. Not an issie cause i power stroke anyways.
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I also have a difficult time reaching the slide release/catch with my shooting hand (right handed). There as also many 1911s there that catch/release is "stubborn" as well, like with my dad's AMT 1911 45. My RIA 1911 is easier. You're a stroker, but if you're so inclined, you can also utilize your support hand upon reload. I don't do that, but it's an option if you want to try.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on April 25, 2021, 12:13:37 PM
For the safety, are you referring to having to work the safety (click off and back on)? Or how it falls in or affects your grip? For the latter, there are (or can be) benefits for the position of the safety.
I also have a difficult time reaching the slide release/catch with my shooting hand (right handed). There as also many 1911s there that catch/release is "stubborn" as well, like with my dad's AMT 1911 45. My RIA 1911 is easier. You're a stroker, but if you're so inclined, you can also utilize your support hand upon reload. I don't do that, but it's an option if you want to try.
I think he’s talking about the slide release. On a Glock or his VP9 you can hit the slide release with the thumb on your firing hand. With my 1911 I just hit the slide release as I roll my support hand into position.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 25, 2021, 12:41:26 PM
I think he’s talking about the slide release. On a Glock or his VP9 you can hit the slide release with the thumb on your firing hand. With my 1911 I just hit the slide release as I roll my support hand into position.
Based on Front Sight, the slide release is only supposed to be used if the mag and chamber are empty. The slide will remain locked back if you try to rack an empty gun by pulling the slide back.
Instead, pull the slide back to rack/close it. Their method is to not let the slide slam full force when letting it go forward. Nor do you ride the slide all the way forward with your hand on it. Instead, let it go about 1/2 way so it chambers the round and closes all the way forward, but without the nearly-full force of a completely compressed recoil spring.
I've read some articles that say you should count using the slide release in your "rounds fired" total if you're keeping track, in particular if you're dry firing, since the force created by doing that is causing wear and tear on the firearm similar to firing it. Not sure I agree, but seems logical.
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter where the slide release is located if you don't use it much. :geekdanc:
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2021, 12:55:48 PM
Tried a dan wesson today. Thanks dogman.
(#1) Took some getting used to the safety and(then #2) the thumb dont reach the slide release. Not an issie cause i power stroke anyways.
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I think he’s talking about the slide release. On a Glock or his VP9 you can hit the slide release with the thumb on your firing hand. With my 1911 I just hit the slide release as I roll my support hand into position.I get what you're saying about the slide release with the 1911. That's what I was describing.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on April 25, 2021, 03:33:06 PM
Based on Front Sight, the slide release is only supposed to be used if the mag and chamber are empty. The slide will remain locked back if you try to rack an empty gun by pulling the slide back.
Instead, pull the slide back to rack/close it. Their method is to not let the slide slam full force when letting it go forward. Nor do you ride the slide all the way forward with your hand on it. Instead, let it go about 1/2 way so it chambers the round and closes all the way forward, but without the nearly-full force of a completely compressed recoil spring.
I've read some articles that say you should count using the slide release in your "rounds fired" total if you're keeping track, in particular if you're dry firing, since the force created by doing that is causing wear and tear on the firearm similar to firing it. Not sure I agree, but seems logical.
The bottom line is, it doesn't matter where the slide release is located if you don't use it much. :geekdanc:
I’m going to put my faith in Larry Vickers, but you do you boo boo
https://youtu.be/47dBkOjmN_w
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2021, 04:05:18 PM
For the safety, are you referring to having to work the safety (click off and back on)? Or how it falls in or affects your grip? For the latter, there are (or can be) benefits for the position of the safety.Safety as in used to not having one. So press out and clickity click. Then duuummmaaaahhhhhh.
I also have a difficult time reaching the slide release/catch with my shooting hand (right handed). There as also many 1911s there that catch/release is "stubborn" as well, like with my dad's AMT 1911 45. My RIA 1911 is easier. You're a stroker, but if you're so inclined, you can also utilize your support hand upon reload. I don't do that, but it's an option if you want to try.
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Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2021, 04:11:51 PM
Safety as in used to not having one. So press out and clickity click. Then duuummmaaaahhhhhh.Yeah, I can see that. I don't shoot my 1911s very often. Same or similar for my CZ Shadow. For production, you have to start with hammer down and DA first shot. That takes some adjustment, especially since I would say 90% of my pistol shooting (maybe more) is Glock or similar. Like anything you have reps on and then change. I notice similar "brain fart" type stuff on the rare occasion I shoot my HK USP which has the paddle mag release. Even when at the bullseye range and slow and controlled firing (absolutely no stress), I sometimes find myself fumbling with the damn mag release.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 25, 2021, 04:12:42 PM
I’m going to put my faith in Larry Vickers, but you do you boo boo
I can only report what was being taught at the Defensive Handgun course.
If I'd saved my money and learned proper 1911 operation from YouTube videos, I'd be as smart as you. Yogi.
:rofl: :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 26, 2021, 09:38:15 AM
Yeah, I can see that. I don't shoot my 1911s very often. Same or similar for my CZ Shadow. For production, you have to start with hammer down and DA first shot. That takes some adjustment, especially since I would say 90% of my pistol shooting (maybe more) is Glock or similar. Like anything you have reps on and then change. I notice similar "brain fart" type stuff on the rare occasion I shoot my HK USP which has the paddle mag release. Even when at the bullseye range and slow and controlled firing (absolutely no stress), I sometimes find myself fumbling with the damn mag release.
Funny story, on 1 of our beginning dates with my now wife (was just boning at the time), I took her to Honolulu Firearms. I shot a 1911 and tried letting the hammer down like how I see in so many movies. I was not a gun owner at the time. Well the gun fired with my thumb right behind the slide. It was pointed down range.
And of course, cannot show pain, especially early on. So she had no clue I jacked up my thumb. By the time we got into the car it was swollen, which I didn't show her. It didn't really hurt that much. Later that day it was sore and I was unable to bend it. I ended up losing the thumbnail later.
Post by: stangzilla on April 27, 2021, 07:15:30 AM
they're in stock
https://atlasgunworks.com/product/nyx-optics-order-now-pistol-1#product_detail
Post by: 6716J on April 27, 2021, 09:05:01 AM
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Post by: drck1000 on April 27, 2021, 09:49:35 AM
Funny story, on 1 of our beginning dates with my now wife (was just boning at the time), I took her to Honolulu Firearms. I shot a 1911 and tried letting the hammer down like how I see in so many movies. I was not a gun owner at the time. Well the gun fired with my thumb right behind the slide. It was pointed down range.Did you ever tell her that story? ???
And of course, cannot show pain, especially early on. So she had no clue I jacked up my thumb. By the time we got into the car it was swollen, which I didn't show her. It didn't really hurt that much. Later that day it was sore and I was unable to bend it. I ended up losing the thumbnail later.
Post by: drck1000 on April 27, 2021, 09:50:24 AM
LolDon't forget the Loves bread. ;D
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 27, 2021, 09:50:53 AM
So the pick up was the same, if not can be faster with more getting used to it. Which I thought the recoil would be more due to the bigger caliber.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 27, 2021, 09:51:49 AM
Did you ever tell her that story? ???
Yup, back in 2016 when we bought our first handgun and I was telling her what not to do. Kind of like a Thumper in Sgt York at the rifle range.
Post by: drck1000 on April 27, 2021, 09:56:35 AM
I forgot to add after trying the Dan Wesson, the recoil didn't seem as snappy compared to other 9mm pistols. Is this common with all 1911's, or just a DW?You're comparing a full size 1911 45 to a say a VP9? ???
So the pick up was the same, if not can be faster with more getting used to it. Which I thought the recoil would be more due to the bigger caliber.
That's super subjective, but I would generally agree. Also depends on other factors, but weight of the gun is probably the biggest factor in your perception.
Also take a look at the physics. K = 1/2 * m * v^2
So if you have a much higher velocity. . .well, I think you can figure it out. . .
Post by: drck1000 on April 27, 2021, 09:59:33 AM
Yup, back in 2016 when we bought our first handgun and I was telling her what not to do. Kind of like a Thumper in Sgt York at the rifle range.At least she got to learn from the lesson you learned the hard way.
First time I shot from the "close retention" position, where you're simulating fending off an attacker and you're firing the gun from close to your rib cage. Well, just say I quickly learned the need to pivot my forearm. This was fairly early on in my firearms training, but yeah, learn lesson the hard way is usually lasting. :rofl:
Post by: macsak on April 27, 2021, 10:06:11 AM
I forgot to add after trying the Dan Wesson, the recoil didn't seem as snappy compared to other 9mm pistols. Is this common with all 1911's, or just a DW?
So the pick up was the same, if not can be faster with more getting used to it. Which I thought the recoil would be more due to the bigger caliber.
1911 are all steel, so they are heavy and reduce felt recoil
plus, .45acp gives more of a "push" than the 9mm "snap"
Post by: stangzilla on April 27, 2021, 10:47:02 AM
great ergonomics, grip angle, steel frame, SA trigger, extended beaver tail
i like the slim grips, easier to reach the mag release for me
Post by: stangzilla on April 27, 2021, 01:00:12 PM
Post by: drck1000 on April 27, 2021, 06:52:21 PM
1911 are all steel, so they are heavy and reduce felt recoilPoof poof no count. . .
plus, .45acp gives more of a "push" than the 9mm "snap"
Post by: drck1000 on April 29, 2021, 12:27:26 PM
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41275.msg367613;topicseen#new
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 30, 2021, 09:22:28 AM
Not 45, but get this one CMO!!!
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41275.msg367613;topicseen#new
Gotta be the big boi caliber.
Post by: stangzilla on April 30, 2021, 01:14:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4149nqq3KDc
Post by: drck1000 on May 05, 2021, 02:42:42 PM
Post by: ren on May 05, 2021, 03:15:12 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 03, 2021, 01:25:35 PM
So this caused me to check out other 1911 makers like Kimber. Which looks like crap IMO. Plus I heard their quality went down big time. Only reason why I favored Kimber was that it's what's used in The Unit by Jonas.
Then on to Wilson Combat. But out of my price at $3K+
Springfield had some good priced once, but none looked tacticool to my liking.
The Colt M45A1 looks similar to the Scorpion and has the tacticool level that I like. I don't mind spending a little more $1600 vs. $1100. My budget has increased since my OG post. Gun Broker had a bunch for $1600's. Safariland makes a foreskin holster. But the problem is that I would like a WML on it and they only make for the X300. Which is double the cost of my Streamlight TLR1-HL. So basically spending about $500 more.
Rock Island TAC Ultra FS looks up my alley. But Safariland no make holster. And the price is half of the Colt.
Post by: drck1000 on August 03, 2021, 01:41:40 PM
With PTA accepting some walks ins, it has renewed my investigation into which 1911 to get. Top choice was the SIG Emperor Scorpion. But holsters would be an issue. It was mentioned that this 1911 doesn't fit a traditional holster. So with my other Safariland thread, I discovered that they make a foreskin for the 1911 holster. But for SIG, only 2 models and the Scorpion isn't 1 of them. G-code makes a foreskin for a 1911. I have to email them to see if it will work with the Scorpion.Do they make 1911s with purple? ;D
So this caused me to check out other 1911 makers like Kimber. Which looks like crap IMO. Plus I heard their quality went down big time. Only reason why I favored Kimber was that it's what's used in The Unit by Jonas.
Then on to Wilson Combat. But out of my price at $3K+
Springfield had some good priced once, but none looked tacticool to my liking.
The Colt M45A1 looks similar to the Scorpion and has the tacticool level that I like. I don't mind spending a little more $1600 vs. $1100. My budget has increased since my OG post. Gun Broker had a bunch for $1600's. Safariland makes a foreskin holster. But the problem is that I would like a WML on it and they only make for the X300. Which is double the cost of my Streamlight TLR1-HL. So basically spending about $500 more.
Rock Island TAC Ultra FS looks up my alley. But Safariland no make holster. And the price is half of the Colt.
I vaguely recall a Safariland holsters that accommodate a range of WMLs. I want to say their T7 line. I'll have to check later, but I recall the choice being WML yes/no, and I recall that there was a range of lights that it could accommodate and that included the TLR and X300 lines.
Post by: aaronc5362 on August 03, 2021, 02:14:46 PM
Since i did not wanna use my tlr1s in airsoft i bought a olight pl2 valkyrie. It worked in my 6320? Glock holster. Even without the plastic do hickey to keep the barrel aligned. My inner barrel for airsoft gun is 6mm thats why.
After airsoft, i love the safariland holster.
Hopefully someone with a x300 holster can test out a tlr1s/hl to see if it works.
Another option is the blackhawk omnivore. Its kinda huge but i know itll work...
Edit: another option is that phlster holster with tlr1 . Gotta get the "universal model" . It uses bungee cords on 1 side so it can fit a variety of weapons. My friend replaced those bungee cords by going home depot and buying washers and chicago screws. Epoxied the washers together to get the correct fitment he wanted. So it kinda isnt universal anymore but he dedicated that 1 holster for his 1 pistol. Dunno if itll work for every single pistol out there but i think 1911 and 2011s work
Post by: drck1000 on August 03, 2021, 02:30:09 PM
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The will fit guides have a full listing on light combinations and their fit in relation to firearm models, as well as which models require the light to remain attached for retention purposes.
Here are the most common WML designations, these will be found at the end of the fit code. This is not an inclusive list of all the WML options available – that information can be found in the Will Fit Charts or Holster Finder for your specific firearm/light combination. There are some additional variations depending on specific firearm and light combinations.
2 — Inforce APL, Nightstick TWM-350, TWM-350S, TWM-850, TWM-850S, ITI M3, O-Light PL-2, or PL-Pro Valkyrie, Streamlight, TLR- 1, TLR-1HL, Surefire X200, X300, or X300U
I have a couple models ending with "2". I recall testing them with TLR-1. That said, I don't own an TLR-1 lights. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 03, 2021, 02:50:58 PM
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Post by: aaronc5362 on August 03, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
My safari order invoice says x300 on it, even though online status updates say TLR1-HL. Emailed them and said the holster works for either wml. This is for a vp9.
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I definitely know x300 is bigger than tlr1 hl. And safariland holsters with weaponlights are designed to work with and without a light.
(If it was a holster that is solely designed to lock in place by a particular weaponlight, then i think youll have problems. Like r and r holsters or t.rex sidecars etc.)
I think your gtg
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 03, 2021, 03:28:58 PM
I definitely know x300 is bigger than tlr1 hl. And safariland holsters with weaponlights are designed to work with and without a light.Bladetech makes 1 that locks onto the wml.
(If it was a holster that is solely designed to lock in place by a particular weaponlight, then i think youll have problems. Like r and r holsters or t.rex sidecars etc.)
I think your gtg
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Post by: drck1000 on August 03, 2021, 03:43:08 PM
My safari order invoice says x300 on it, even though online status updates say TLR1-HL. Emailed them and said the holster works for either wml. This is for a vp9.If you have access to a Glock 17, I have a couple of Safariland 7TS holsters with WML that I bought but never used. You're welcome to give it a try. I've used them a little with X300 and tested with a buddy's TLR-1. It was a while ago, but I recall the draw being just ok. I have a couple of 6354DO, both with and without lights, but I mostly use the one without light. My only comment on those are that many need some dremeling to work. At least half of mine needed some dremel. It's easy, but a small hassle.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on August 03, 2021, 03:50:54 PM
If you have access to a Glock 17, I have a couple of Safariland 7TS holsters with WML that I bought but never used. You're welcome to give it a try. I've used them a little with X300 and tested with a buddy's TLR-1. It was a while ago, but I recall the draw being just ok. I have a couple of 6354DO, both with and without lights, but I mostly use the one without light. My only comment on those are that many need some dremeling to work. At least half of mine needed some dremel. It's easy, but a small hassle."Access to a g17" to a HK fanboy? Com'on man.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on August 03, 2021, 04:01:57 PM
If you have access to a Glock 17, I have a couple of Safariland 7TS holsters with WML that I bought but never used. You're welcome to give it a try. I've used them a little with X300 and tested with a buddy's TLR-1. It was a while ago, but I recall the draw being just ok. I have a couple of 6354DO, both with and without lights, but I mostly use the one without light. My only comment on those are that many need some dremeling to work. At least half of mine needed some dremel. It's easy, but a small hassle.Is the only reason why u never used the T7 dremel?
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Post by: drck1000 on August 03, 2021, 04:08:10 PM
"Access to a g17" to a HK fanboy? Com'on man.
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Is the only reason why u never used the T7 dremel?No. The dremel is to fit the RDS. The 7TS don't fit RDS, at least not the versions that I have. The 7TS work just fine without any mods.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on August 04, 2021, 09:15:19 AM
No. The dremel is to fit the RDS. The 7TS don't fit RDS, at least not the versions that I have. The 7TS work just fine without any mods.
This would be the other issue, to RDS or not. I personally don't like the look of a RDS on a 1911. So won't have to worry too much. The VP9 is still on the back of my mind. InB4 needing a 6th holster (for RDS). Waste $.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 04, 2021, 09:23:02 AM
https://www.tacticalholsters.com/product/soc-grey/
Post by: drck1000 on August 04, 2021, 10:32:12 AM
This would be the other issue, to RDS or not. I personally don't like the look of a RDS on a 1911. So won't have to worry too much. The VP9 is still on the back of my mind. InB4 needing a 6th holster (for RDS). Waste $.I recall something about the slide geometry or thickness of the top of a 1911 not being ideal for RDS (or something like that). That said, I've seen a lot of folks with 2011s with RDS, so maybe it's not a thing or the "modern" 2011s were able to account for it.
I wouldn't mind a nice 1911 with RDS, but it's not something that I need and have lots of things I'd get before that. At one point, I was considering a CZ Shadow or Tanfo with RDS, but that itch went away.
Wanna bet you'll have 6+ holsters before too long? ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 04, 2021, 11:55:11 AM
I recall something about the slide geometry or thickness of the top of a 1911 not being ideal for RDS (or something like that). That said, I've seen a lot of folks with 2011s with RDS, so maybe it's not a thing or the "modern" 2011s were able to account for it.
I wouldn't mind a nice 1911 with RDS, but it's not something that I need and have lots of things I'd get before that. At one point, I was considering a CZ Shadow or Tanfo with RDS, but that itch went away.
Wanna bet you'll have 6+ holsters before too long? ;D
I can't tell the diff between a 2011 and a 1911. heck, didn't even know a 2011 existed.
Instead of buying a Tanfo, buy 10 1911's with RDS. Same price. :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on August 04, 2021, 12:22:24 PM
I can't tell the diff between a 2011 and a 1911. heck, didn't even know a 2011 existed.2011, aka da double stack 1911. . .
Instead of buying a Tanfo, buy 10 1911's with RDS. Same price. :rofl:
WuTangfos aren't that expensive. My CZ SP-01 Shadow was pretty darn pricey though. But still less than my damn Gucci Glocks. :facepalm:
When I first got into shooting more seriously, I never envisioned spending that kind of $$$ on a Glock. I mean I envisioned eventually one day spending say 3-5k on a nice 1911, but not on a Glock. Heck, for a while, that's why I didn't get an RDS for a Glock because I didn't see spending more $$$ on an RDS than for the gun. But then I gave in a went with a Zev slide with RDS (sort of middle ground solution) and light bulb went on.
And no. Even if I did have 10 1911s with RDS, none for you. :rofl:
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Post by: changemyoil66 on August 04, 2021, 04:15:22 PM
red dots on 1911 for years before it became tacticalOr that big ass laser in T1.
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Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 04, 2021, 07:21:10 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 05, 2021, 09:26:33 AM
Just get a Staccato already and when you get bored of it I’ll just buy it off of you.
Out of my price range. Need to save money for gas. :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on August 05, 2021, 09:32:30 AM
Just get a Staccato already and when you get bored of it I’ll just buy it off of you.
A shooting buddy has one of those. Pretty sweet. Didn't want to chance shooting it myself though. ;D
Out of my price range. Need to save money for gas. :rofl:You have EV, right? That's $100/month more for gun stuff. :geekdanc:
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 05, 2021, 09:38:59 AM
A shooting buddy has one of those. Pretty sweet. Didn't want to chance shooting it myself though. ;D
You have EV, right? That's $100/month more for gun stuff. :geekdanc:
Need to own it for a year to buy a good gun and average out the price. :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on August 05, 2021, 09:42:26 AM
Need to own it for a year to buy a good gun and average out the price. :rofl:Meh. Excuses. You're probably already planning on spending the $$$ saved on purple shooting gear. :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 11, 2021, 12:36:18 PM
Since PTA are opening in Oct, I messaged Koffin Wurks about how long it would take to bring either the SIG or Colt in. Cause if it's like a 6 month wait, then I gotta place the order sooner than later. If Safariland works for the SIG I'm gonna go for that. If not, then Colt it is.
I looked more into 2011's and they no make them in 45. Lose money.
Post by: drck1000 on August 11, 2021, 12:40:51 PM
Had 1 guy on a 1911 forum state that the Safariland SIG 1911GSR will work with the Scorpion. Emailed Safariland and awaiting response.Swoosh. . .
Since PTA are opening in Oct, I messaged Koffin Wurks about how long it would take to bring either the SIG or Colt in. Cause if it's like a 6 month wait, then I gotta place the order sooner than later. If Safariland works for the SIG I'm gonna go for that. If not, then Colt it is.
I looked more into 2011's and they no make them in 45. Lose money.
Nah, nah, nah. But you are missing the (at least one) point of them. Because they don't fit your "feelings". ;D
For holster, check out the 7TS series. The one I have seems to be for damn near all 1911 5" models (my personal experience, personal guns and friend's guns, not exhaustive search). No matter if light rail, etc. Fits both my 1911s, as well as one with a light rail.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 11, 2021, 12:52:10 PM
Swoosh. . .
Nah, nah, nah. But you are missing the (at least one) point of them. Because they don't fit your "feelings". ;D
For holster, check out the 7TS series. The one I have seems to be for damn near all 1911 5" models (my personal experience, personal guns and friend's guns, not exhaustive search). No matter if light rail, etc. Fits both my 1911s, as well as one with a light rail.
For both, it's the 6000 series when using the holster finder.
Even if the 2011's came in 45, wouldn't matter cause we limited to 10rds anyways. 1 reason why HK's are out. So save the extra $ and buy 10rd 1911 mags instead. And even have more left over for ammo. Jokes on me though, cause I was on YT and STI's came up (3 year old vid). Swoooosshhh after googling STI 1911's.
Post by: drck1000 on August 11, 2021, 12:55:13 PM
For both, it's the 6000 series when using the holster finder.There are a lot more 1911 companies that will scare your wallet. :shake:
Even if the 2011's came in 45, wouldn't matter cause we limited to 10rds anyways. 1 reason why HK's are out. So save the extra $ and buy 10rd 1911 mags instead. And even have more left over for ammo. Jokes on me though, cause I was on YT and STI's came up (3 year old vid). Swoooosshhh after googling STI 1911's.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 11, 2021, 01:02:49 PM
There are a lot more 1911 companies that will scare your wallet. :shake:
I saw them and was like holy cow. If I spend more than $2K on a 1911, I won't want to take skill builders with it or put her in the dirt. So that's my reasoning for the SIG/Colt.
On a side note, who sells 45 FMJ? And what were precovid prices?
Post by: stangzilla on August 11, 2021, 01:12:16 PM
I saw them and was like holy cow. If I spend more than $2K on a 1911, I won't want to take skill builders with it or put her in the dirt. So that's my reasoning for the SIG/Colt.
On a side note, who sells 45 FMJ? And what were precovid prices?
SEC had plenty, if you are on the list. i think was 2 case limit
pre covid was around $400 per case of 1k, iirc. or around $18-23 per box of 50 rds on sale
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 11, 2021, 01:14:29 PM
SEC had plenty, if you are on the list. i think was 2 case limit
pre covid was around $400 per case of 1k, iirc. or around $18-23 per box of 50 rds on sale
What's the price now?
Post by: drck1000 on August 11, 2021, 01:14:58 PM
I saw them and was like holy cow. If I spend more than $2K on a 1911, I won't want to take skill builders with it or put her in the dirt. So that's my reasoning for the SIG/Colt.I still would like a nice SA 1911. Last time I checked (prob 2+ years ago), the models I was interested were in the $1600-1800 range. I mean I'd still want a Wilson Combat, Nighthawk, or something along those lines. But no enough money for those and new bolt gun. :(
On a side note, who sells 45 FMJ? And what were precovid prices?
I have some .45 ACP FMJ. Like buy? You have PayPal? :hmm:
Post by: drck1000 on August 11, 2021, 01:15:43 PM
SEC had plenty, if you are on the list. i think was 2 case limitThat's not bad. I might have to hit them up.
pre covid was around $400 per case of 1k, iirc. or around $18-23 per box of 50 rds on sale
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 11, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
I still would like a nice SA 1911. Last time I checked (prob 2+ years ago), the models I was interested were in the $1600-1800 range. I mean I'd still want a Wilson Combat, Nighthawk, or something along those lines. But no enough money for those and new bolt gun. :(
I have some .45 ACP FMJ. Like buy? You have PayPal? :hmm:
Need pic of ammo with todays newspaper. BRB, getting replys back from hot, horny milfs within 1 mile. Might be too busy to go shooting.
Post by: stangzilla on August 11, 2021, 01:33:24 PM
What's the price now?
i think good price now is around 70 cents per round or a little more
Post by: stangzilla on August 11, 2021, 01:37:38 PM
I still would like a nice SA 1911. Last time I checked (prob 2+ years ago), the models I was interested were in the $1600-1800 range. I mean I'd still want a Wilson Combat, Nighthawk, or something along those lines. But no enough money for those and new bolt gun. :(
I have some .45 ACP FMJ. Like buy? You have PayPal? :hmm:
I'm super satisfied with my SA Loaded Operator. its almost a TRP minus the full length guide rod and few other extras that i thought was not worth the extra coin.
my Loaded Operator has around 500 rounds through it, not one malfunction, not one hiccup. trigger is really nice, short crisp, i think its around 4 lbs pull and a short pull
Loaded Operator is in the $1300 range
Post by: drck1000 on August 11, 2021, 01:52:44 PM
I'm super satisfied with my SA Loaded Operator. its almost a TRP minus the full length guide rod and few other extras that i thought was not worth the extra coin.Nice!
my Loaded Operator has around 500 rounds through it, not one malfunction, not one hiccup. trigger is really nice, short crisp, i think its around 4 lbs pull and a short pull
Loaded Operator is in the $1300 range
Yeah, Loaded Operator and a few others were on my list. The TRP was on there are one time, but I think there are others that have better overall value. That and I wanted different sites. A buddy has a Trophy Match. That's a pretty sweet gun, but looks like out of current production.
I would still like to shoot either of my basic 1911s in a match or pistol class. I would want to change the front sights at minimum though. The 9 mm version has plain/black front and rear. I'd want to put a FO front sight, or something more than the plain blade.
Post by: macsak on August 11, 2021, 02:52:20 PM
Need pic of ammo with todays newspaper. BRB, getting replys back from hot, horny milfs within 1 mile. Might be too busy to go shooting.
range too far...
Post by: blastoff747 on August 12, 2021, 12:46:01 AM
I saw them and was like holy cow. If I spend more than $2K on a 1911, I won't want to take skill builders with it or put her in the dirt. So that's my reasoning for the SIG/Colt.
On a side note, who sells 45 FMJ? And what were precovid prices?
Now if I was a billionaire Cabot Big Bang here I come. Cost as much as a condo.
precovid 45 same as 223 pricing
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 12, 2021, 08:26:02 AM
Now if I was a billionaire Cabot Big Bang here I come. Cost as much as a condo.They had a 1911 made from meteorite that was the price of a condo.
precovid 45 same as 223 pricing
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Post by: changemyoil66 on August 12, 2021, 09:31:06 AM
Koffin Wurks is looking up the details for me and I'll keep everyone posted. Thanks for all the input. This was a big learning XP. Now the question is, do I begin to order mags and ammo since I'm gonna need it anyways. I will hold of on the holster and WML in case the SIG is unavailable and I have to get the Colt.
Post by: oldfart on August 12, 2021, 09:59:02 AM
I saw them and was like holy cow. If I spend more than $2K on a 1911, I won't want to take skill builders with it or put her in the dirt. So that's my reasoning for the SIG/Colt.....
On a side note, who sells 45 FMJ? And what were precovid prices?
So 7 pages later.....
What you going to get?
Post by: drck1000 on August 12, 2021, 10:02:08 AM
....All show, no go. . .
So 7 pages later.....
What you going to get?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 12, 2021, 10:03:28 AM
....
So 7 pages later.....
What you going to get?
Baby steps. Msg Koffin Wurks ETA and prices for either. He responded will LMK. Timing plan is for walk in PTA on Oct.
Post by: oldfart on August 12, 2021, 10:08:24 AM
All show, no go. . .....
"Ya gonna pull that pistol or just whistle dixie?"
(Josie Wales)
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 12, 2021, 04:52:39 PM
....Both not in stock. Koffin is awaiting ETA. I could go else where, but i want to support their new store. And have spent enough in others already. Spreading the wealth.
"Ya gonna pull that pistol or just whistle dixie?"
(Josie Wales)
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Post by: ren on August 21, 2021, 04:32:42 PM
All show, no go. . .
range too far. No can handle training. Collector.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 21, 2021, 04:40:25 PM
All show, no go. . .
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Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 07:46:28 AM
range too far. No can handle training. Collector.CMO had cred. Maybe tainted purple, but cred. ;D
Post by: aieahound on August 23, 2021, 02:04:51 PM
I’ll bring my Sig Scorpion.
Eugene from HGS did a trigger job on it and I haven’t tried it since I picked it up.
Didn’t like the flat trigger.
Also changed it from a series 80 to a series 70. (I think that’s right. No firing pin block)
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 02:13:35 PM
Tell O.F. Set up a .45 shoot around GTG.Good idea :thumbsup:
I’ll bring my Sig Scorpion.
Eugene from HGS did a trigger job on it and I haven’t tried it since I picked it up.
Didn’t like the flat trigger.
I only have a very plain/basic 1911. It was my dad's. It shoots well though. I do have a bunch of .45 ACP though.
Post by: oldfart on August 23, 2021, 03:11:26 PM
Tell O.F. Set up a .45 shoot around GTG....
I’ll bring my Sig Scorpion.
Eugene from HGS did a trigger job on it and I haven’t tried it since I picked it up.
Didn’t like the flat trigger.
Also changed it from a series 80 to a series 70. (I think that’s right. No firing pin block)
New covid restrictions announcement today.
Still digesting.
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Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 23, 2021, 04:11:25 PM
All show, no go. . .
This is huge progress! He’s got it narrowed down. He wasn’t into .45 since it was a fudd cartridge but he became a believer. :shaka:
Post by: aieahound on August 23, 2021, 04:21:39 PM
And I tried Dogman’s .500 and that’s batshit crazy. :D
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2021, 04:24:46 PM
I shoot a .45 because they don’t make a .46.Mrs. Cmo liked dogmans 500. (Insert pun)
And I tried Dogman’s .500 and that’s batshit crazy. :D
Side note: 12 gauge slug is .73 caliber. (+ or -)
Slugs only at the range. :(
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Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2021, 04:25:22 PM
This is huge progress! He’s got it narrowed down. He wasn’t into .45 since it was a fudd cartridge but he became a believer. :shaka:Dont need 15rds when 7 will do...oh wait HI 10rds. So same same.
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Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 04:26:00 PM
This is huge progress! He’s got it narrowed down. He wasn’t into .45 since it was a fudd cartridge but he became a believer. :shaka:Yeah. I was just giving him $hit. Heck, I only have two .45 ACP and I almost never shoot it. So if he hurries up, gets a nice one and shoots it, he can talk some $hit to me. ;D
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 04:26:55 PM
Mrs. Cmo liked dogmans 500. (Insert pun)It's all about the diameter. . . ;D
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Wait, what? :o ???
:rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 04:27:20 PM
Dont need 15rds when 7 will do...oh wait HI 10rds. So same same.More rounds for you to miss at 10 yards. . . :shake:
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Post by: aieahound on August 23, 2021, 04:53:07 PM
Sig Scorpion.
Doesn’t have the classic 1911 look but she’s sexy! 8)
Post by: oldfart on August 23, 2021, 04:54:03 PM
It's all about the diameter. . . ;D...
Wait, what? :o ???
:rofl:
Size doesn't matter.
Or so they say.
Post by: aieahound on August 23, 2021, 04:57:48 PM
You ever play with dogman’s .500 ?
Post by: oldfart on August 23, 2021, 05:02:49 PM
Size matters !....
You ever play with dogman’s .500 ?
No, and I'd prefer not to....thank you very much.
:shake: :rofl:
But seriously, I have shot a 500 linebaugh though.
Not so much fun.
Post by: dogman on August 23, 2021, 05:58:14 PM
Size matters !
You ever play with dogman’s .500 ?
.500 is a half inch ???
Post by: jc2721 on August 23, 2021, 06:05:42 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2021, 06:30:26 PM
My mags are 8 and 10 rounds.Nice. What holster u running?
Sig Scorpion.
Doesn’t have the classic 1911 look but she’s sexy! 8)
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Post by: Bota-CS1 on August 23, 2021, 06:36:39 PM
Yeah. I was just giving him $hit. Heck, I only have two .45 ACP and I almost never shoot it. So if he hurries up, gets a nice one and shoots it, he can talk some $hit to me. ;D
HDF Range Day 1911 challenge?
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 07:04:14 PM
HDF Range Day 1911 challenge?Can. We should have O/U of when tho. I bet CMO will be whinging about a holster for 1911 for 2 years. ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 23, 2021, 07:29:56 PM
Can. We should have O/U of when tho. I bet CMO will be whinging about a holster for 1911 for 2 years. ;DFound it for either. So which ever 1 i can get 1st wins.
Back to drawing board if i like a diff 1911.
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Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 07:30:53 PM
Found it for either. So which ever 1 i can get 1st wins.Sooo, 3 years then? ???
Back to drawing board if i like a diff 1911.
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Post by: stangzilla on August 24, 2021, 09:30:09 AM
the RO Operator has run flawlessly for several years and several hundreds of rounds. it has the basic parkerized finish, Novak style rear sight and FO front sight
a few upgrades on the Loaded Operator, but the RO Operator is great for a 1911 that you are going to shoot a lot, is affordable, and is dependable. i would say it's a entry level to lower mid level 1911, and runs very well
at the time i got mine it was in the 600 dollar range, probably more now for a comparable Springfield
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 24, 2021, 11:14:31 AM
Sooo, 3 years then? ???
:rofl:
3.7 years :rofl:
Post by: DocMercy on September 14, 2021, 04:14:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r3zR-ZDFv8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r3zR-ZDFv8)
During live fire training at KHSC, I experienced a misfire in an unidentified .45 pistol. I wish I wrote down the name of weapon for future reference.
Post by: stangzilla on September 14, 2021, 04:56:37 PM
Been thinking about getting a Colt 1911 for the 5-inch barrel and .45 ACP ammo, for the express purpose of getting a backup weapon for hunting. How did the 1911 pistol get the nickname, Jam-o-Matic (at 56 sec in the video below)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r3zR-ZDFv8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r3zR-ZDFv8)
During live fire training at KHSC, I experienced a misfire in an unidentified .45 pistol. I wish I wrote down the name of weapon for future reference.
for a back up sidearm for hunting, I would suggest a revolver in at least 357magnum or 44magnum
revolvers are much more reliable, and a 357 or 44 hits a lot harder than 45acp
if my life depended on it against 4 legged animals that could maul me, I would definitely go magnum revolver
Post by: drck1000 on September 16, 2021, 08:37:40 AM
for a back up sidearm for hunting, I would suggest a revolver in at least 357magnum or 44magnumWhen I lived in WA State, I wanted a .357 S/A revolver and a lever action for our fishing trips in somewhat remote areas. It was common to see some "interesting" wildlife. I would take my .40 cal compact handgun (all I had at the time), but a buddy had a .44 revolver. That same buddy would fly to AK for fishing trips in all sorts bear areas, and they had some close encounters.
revolvers are much more reliable, and a 357 or 44 hits a lot harder than 45acp
if my life depended on it against 4 legged animals that could maul me, I would definitely go magnum revolver
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 18, 2021, 06:15:32 PM
Checking gun broker. But idk how they work. Any tips? Or any other auction sites?
Also will call colt later to see if their custom shop can make 1.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on September 18, 2021, 08:10:36 PM
The question is do i start to order accessories or wait till it comes in. Just to be sure.
Plan is:
At least 5 wilson combat 10rd mags
Safariland als/sls holster (probably 30 day lead time)
Surefire x300 (safari only makes for this light)
Oh and ammo, will have to start buying FMJ and HP.
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Post by: drck1000 on September 18, 2021, 08:33:32 PM
Edit. Prime sports brining 1 in for me. 8-12week ETA. Fingers crossed.Mags - Definitely, but look for sales. They go on sale here and there. I’ve bought from Brownells and others.
The question is do i start to order accessories or wait till it comes in. Just to be sure.
Plan is:
At least 5 wilson combat 10rd mags
Safariland als/sls holster (probably 30 day lead time)
Surefire x300 (safari only makes for this light)
Oh and ammo, will have to start buying FMJ and HP.
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Holster - Depends on the fit and range that can accommodate. I think yes. The 7TS holster I have for my 1911s fits a wide range. But you probably want the all fancy-schmancy high-speed kine, lidat.
Light - Can always use for another gun, so go for it, but wait for sales. I’ve seen sales down to around $210ish.
So, what did you order?
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 18, 2021, 08:37:27 PM
Mags - Definitely, but look for sales. They go on sale here and there. I’ve bought from Brownells and others.
Holster - Depends on the fit and range that can accommodate. I think yes. The 7TS holster I have for my 1911s fits a wide range. But you probably want the all fancy-schmancy high-speed kine, lidat.
Light - Can always use for another gun, so go for it, but wait for sales. I’ve seen sales down to around $210ish.
So, what did you order?
Colt m45a1.
Prob wait till black friday sales.
Holster, need the foreskin.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on September 18, 2021, 09:03:29 PM
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Post by: macsak on September 18, 2021, 09:05:29 PM
Used to paying $60 for HK mags. No need wait for sale. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210919/dff1430ee5f75587cd98671ce4de022b.jpg)
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i've never paid anything close to $60 for HK mags...
Post by: drck1000 on September 18, 2021, 09:08:11 PM
Used to paying $60 for HK mags. No need wait for sale.Uh, ok. You go big ballah. . .
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I bought when they went on sale. Usually the 3-pk.
Post by: ren on September 18, 2021, 09:11:16 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 18, 2021, 09:13:31 PM
real men shoot 1911s....HKs are so metroReturning abercrombie shirts and buying hanes.
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Post by: drck1000 on September 18, 2021, 09:31:51 PM
real men shoot 1911s....HKs are so metroP30 more or less metro than VP9? :rofl:
Post by: dogman on September 18, 2021, 09:59:16 PM
i've never paid anything close to $60 for HK mags...Why would you buy HK mags? You own mags?
Post by: macsak on September 18, 2021, 10:07:06 PM
Why would you buy HK mags? You own mags?
for "a friend"...
Post by: oldfart on September 18, 2021, 11:15:06 PM
Been thinking about getting a Colt 1911 for the 5-inch barrel and .45 ACP ammo, for the express purpose of getting a backup weapon for hunting. How did the 1911 pistol get the nickname, Jam-o-Matic (at 56 sec in the video below)?....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r3zR-ZDFv8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r3zR-ZDFv8)
During live fire training at KHSC, I experienced a misfire in an unidentified .45 pistol. I wish I wrote down the name of weapon for future reference.
The 1911 pistols earned the jamamatic name when competitive target shooters tried feeding the pistols with wadcutting-type ammunition.
As the name implies, the bullet cuts out a wad of paper like an office hole puncher. That target-style of ammo is usually loaded at reduced velocities to make it gentler on the gun and the shooter.it also helps recovery for succeeding shots especially during rapid-fire competition.
The problem is that the original 1911 pattern was designed for combat use with full power ball (round nose) ammunition.
Thus, it took a significant modifications to make it reliable with low-powered target ammo.
Compounding the problem was that the barrels were usually replaced with match-grade barrels which have tighter tolerances.
Compounding that problem was that the slide to frame fit would typically be tightened to reduce accuracy-robbing variations.
Compounding the problem was that the magazines were designed to function with military ball ammo, not with wadcutter ammo.
Compounding that problem was that the traditional wadcutter ammo for 45acp was a short stubby thing as compared to ball.
That change in ammo length screws up the entire geometry of the feeding system.
But fear not, modern manufacturing methods have made the 1911 platform much more reliable.
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Post by: drck1000 on September 19, 2021, 09:28:12 AM
Why would you buy HK mags? You own mags?#notrealdoctors are very generous. They are willing to buy HK mags for "a friend" who has say VP9s. ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 20, 2021, 08:51:57 AM
Post by: ren on September 20, 2021, 09:27:23 AM
https://www.nelsoncustomguns.com/bobschool/ (https://www.nelsoncustomguns.com/bobschool/)
not bad for the price. A week of hands on building your own 1911. Most major tools are provided. A set of Mitutoyos are about $120
Post by: omnigun on September 20, 2021, 10:11:58 AM
Post by: macsak on September 20, 2021, 10:34:04 AM
I got a Colt Gold Cup. I like shooting it. Thing is probably more accurate than I am.
probably?
Post by: oldfart on September 20, 2021, 10:39:27 AM
I go the park by my house to walk the dog and practice his tricks.
There is an elementary school next to the park.
The kids sometimes watch me practicing the doggy tricks.
So one day I'm just walking around with dog and a little girl yells out....
JUST DO SOMETHING ALREADY!
Post by: ren on September 20, 2021, 10:51:03 AM
probably?#Collector
Post by: drck1000 on September 20, 2021, 11:40:39 AM
probably?Hypothetically. . .
Maybe if the gun shots low and left. . . ;D
Post by: drck1000 on September 20, 2021, 11:43:06 AM
So a FYI, I called Colt's custom shop seeing if they can basically make a M45A1. And they said no. Their custom shop is to modify existing Colts. So there's like 4 pages of prices, descriptions at what they can do. But you need the existing Colt 1911 to start the process. So send in your Colt 1911 and they do what you need.What made you decide to go with a Colt M45A1? Because of recent adoption?
I considered a Colt competition a while back. Those had a good, or at least decent reputation. I think they were a little overpriced for the pony, but I think good gun.
When you get yours, we can have a 2a 1911 day and everyone can challenge you and your new spiffy 1911. 8) ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 20, 2021, 11:55:53 AM
What made you decide to go with a Colt M45A1? Because of recent adoption?
I considered a Colt competition a while back. Those had a good, or at least decent reputation. I think they were a little overpriced for the pony, but I think good gun.
When you get yours, we can have a 2a 1911 day and everyone can challenge you and your new spiffy 1911. 8) ;D
#1 was cause of holster selection. The SIG Scorpion has a squarish slide. So although I did contact a guy who has a Safari holster for it, I've read on other forums that said holster doesn't fit. With the M45, I know for sure Safari makes a holster and it will fit. The shitty part is that I am spending like $600 more on the Colt. But I could spend just as much and headache trying to fit a holster. The other route is custom Kydex, which is easy to find, but no foreskin. I like the foreskin. See pic below.
Then #2 most recent (due to checking out mags) was a vid of the 10rd Wilson mags not ejecting from the Scorpion due to the textured grip. The front of the pistol digs into the plastic of the mag. CM mags seem to work. So not too big of an issue.
You basically have to strip the mag out with you hand, or dremel the 1911 or file the mag contact area. This was 1 guy on YT. I haven't seen others run the xtendo clips with this gun. The grip on the Colt is smooth, this is the area on the inside of your fingers (under trigger guard).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nai6LKR3i4g
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Post by: drck1000 on September 20, 2021, 12:14:02 PM
#1 was cause of holster selection. The SIG Scorpion has a squarish slide. So although I did contact a guy who has a Safari holster for it, I've read on other forums that said holster doesn't fit. With the M45, I know for sure Safari makes a holster and it will fit. The shitty part is that I am spending like $600 more on the Colt. But I could spend just as much and headache trying to fit a holster. The other route is custom Kydex, which is easy to find, but no foreskin. I like the foreskin. See pic below.I can appreciate looking at support gear for a handgun. That, or lack thereof has made me not buy some pistols along the way. Even when I was in the "try everything" phase of firearms. That said, seems like you're really gearing up for about the same use/purpose as your current handguns (classes, training, etc). That the Scorpion didn't work well with Wilson mags is disturbing, and hopefully not a common thing.
Then #2 most recent (due to checking out mags) was a vid of the 10rd Wilson mags not ejecting from the Scorpion due to the textured grip. The front of the pistol digs into the plastic of the mag. CM mags seem to work. So not too big of an issue.
You basically have to strip the mag out with you hand, or dremel the 1911 or file the mag contact area. This was 1 guy on YT. I haven't seen others run the xtendo clips with this gun. The grip on the Colt is smooth, this is the area on the inside of your fingers (under trigger guard).
For me, my 1911s are primarily for plinking as well as just having them. I thought about competing with one in single stack, but that urge went away a long time ago.
Post by: stangzilla on September 20, 2021, 12:41:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X65AtVmEC2Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1OxZHNVfio&t=37s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hUGrK8OT8M
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 20, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
I can appreciate looking at support gear for a handgun. That, or lack thereof has made me not buy some pistols along the way. Even when I was in the "try everything" phase of firearms. That said, seems like you're really gearing up for about the same use/purpose as your current handguns (classes, training, etc). That the Scorpion didn't work well with Wilson mags is disturbing, and hopefully not a common thing.
For me, my 1911s are primarily for plinking as well as just having them. I thought about competing with one in single stack, but that urge went away a long time ago.
Since this is my thread, I'll add this:
If the 1911 was over a year wait, then I was gonna get my first RDS and Gucci type Glock. I was gonna go with the WarPoet M920 (Shadow Systems) that you can order with a Holosun RDS. Bascially a G19 platform. Instead of RDSing the VP9 and buying a 6th holster.
Post by: drck1000 on September 20, 2021, 12:45:13 PM
collaboration with Larry Vickers, Springfield Armory, Wilson CombatHe had a class (or used to have classes) where you build your own 1911.
SNIP
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 20, 2021, 12:47:06 PM
Post by: drck1000 on September 20, 2021, 12:52:06 PM
Can you guys see if a 1911 mag fits enough into a double stack mag holder? Or wont fit at all (like putting a circle peg into a square hole) . Esstac to be exact if you got it. Cause I would have to order mag holders too if they don't fit well enough. I say well enough because my G-Code mag holders for AR mags, also can fit 2 VP9, double stack mags well enough. They don't move around when running or fall out when running/jumping, but IDK about hanging upside down. So when taking a pistol skill builder, I bring 6 VP9 mags and put the extra in my rifle mag holders which is on my plate carrier.It does, and I've done it. But not sure how secure it is. I just have done it to get to the line and casually shoot. Not in a class. I can check more and let you know.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 20, 2021, 01:02:50 PM
It does, and I've done it. But not sure how secure it is. I just have done it to get to the line and casually shoot. Not in a class. I can check more and let you know.
Cause depending if it fits or not is what my warbelt set up will be for HD. That's another good thing about the Safariland holsters. They can fit the G-Code RTI hanger, so I can quick detach/attach the holster. No drilling needed.
But then again, it is easier to get a VP9 than a M45. So in theory if the VP9 gets confiscated, then no biggie.And it's a way cheaper gun.
Post by: drck1000 on September 20, 2021, 01:09:36 PM
Cause depending if it fits or not is what my warbelt set up will be for HD. That's another good thing about the Safariland holsters. They can fit the G-Code RTI hanger, so I can quick detach/attach the holster. No drilling needed.yes, yes. I get why you're asking. . . :rofl:
But then again, it is easier to get a VP9 than a M45. So in theory if the VP9 gets confiscated, then no biggie.And it's a way cheaper gun.
Post by: omnigun on September 20, 2021, 05:18:08 PM
probably?
I am the only one who shot it so, no comparison data.
Post by: macsak on September 20, 2021, 05:34:39 PM
I am the only one who shot it so, no comparison data.
focus, bud
the colt gold cup comes with a test target...
Post by: ren on September 20, 2021, 05:38:00 PM
focus, bud
the colt gold cup comes with a test target...
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Post by: Bota-CS1 on September 20, 2021, 06:12:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlZdF5Y7KPw&t=146s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlZdF5Y7KPw&t=146s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEIvu_aWccY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEIvu_aWccY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PCpmj3_JU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PCpmj3_JU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD_AGr-MSNs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD_AGr-MSNs)
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 20, 2021, 06:18:41 PM
While you're waiting....you can view these on loop....Funny that i already saw them all. Imbetween midget pron viewing sessions. Da chynavirus gave lots of free time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlZdF5Y7KPw&t=146s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlZdF5Y7KPw&t=146s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEIvu_aWccY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEIvu_aWccY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PCpmj3_JU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0PCpmj3_JU)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD_AGr-MSNs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD_AGr-MSNs)
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Post by: drck1000 on September 20, 2021, 06:30:16 PM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on September 20, 2021, 07:10:37 PM
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Post by: ren on September 20, 2021, 07:28:34 PM
Here’s 10 rd Wilson mags in Esstac KYWI. It has barely enough tension to keep unloaded mags from falling out if held upside down. If you have loaded mags and run/jog, I think they’d be at risk of falling out. I have the shorter standard pouches, not the taller mid length.
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add some magnets to the pouch or get a heat gun and squeeze those plastic inserts
Post by: macsak on September 20, 2021, 07:36:18 PM
Here’s 10 rd Wilson mags in Esstac KYWI. It has barely enough tension to keep unloaded mags from falling out if held upside down. If you have loaded mags and run/jog, I think they’d be at risk of falling out. I have the shorter standard pouches, not the taller mid length.
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twss
Post by: macsak on September 20, 2021, 07:37:14 PM
Put the deposit down for the 1911. Fingers crossed for ETA given...
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deposit sent via paypal?
did you have seller take picture with current newspaper and firearm?
Post by: drck1000 on September 20, 2021, 07:44:08 PM
Thanks. Damn gotta spend more $ now.More money for?
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Post by: drck1000 on September 20, 2021, 07:47:15 PM
add some magnets to the pouch or get a heat gun and squeeze those plastic insertsEsstac makes 1911 pouches. Mine are for double stack. I was just showing CMO that it could be used. I’ve only used that setup for 1911 to get the gun to the firing line on range days after the main session is done. If I were to take a class or something with 1911, I would use a different belt that has 1911 pouches.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 20, 2021, 09:19:02 PM
More money for?Mag pouches esstac kywi
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Post by: drck1000 on September 21, 2021, 07:06:09 AM
Mag pouches esstac kywiYou don't seem to be concerned with sales, but I'll throw this out there. Esstac goes on sale quite often at SKD. Their storewide sales and sometimes separate. They sometimes have SKD exclusive configurations/colors, or at least used to.
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Post by: drck1000 on September 21, 2021, 07:07:21 AM
focus, budAll these clues, and still doesn't learn. . .
the colt gold cup comes with a test target...
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 21, 2021, 07:18:55 AM
You don't seem to be concerned with sales, but I'll throw this out there. Esstac goes on sale quite often at SKD. Their storewide sales and sometimes separate. They sometimes have SKD exclusive configurations/colors, or at least used to.Ill wait till black friday or blem sale. My current esstacs are blems.
Any huge diff in the 2 wilson 10rders, feed rails vs. Non?
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Post by: stangzilla on September 21, 2021, 07:33:46 AM
He had a class (or used to have classes) where you build your own 1911.
that Vickers tactical Springfield is a great bargain for 1500
its on the platform of a loaded Operator which is already about 1300. for 200 more, you get the Wilson combat hammer and safety, upgraded grips, front strap checkering, front sight tritium/FO, rear combat sight
but the Colt 1911 is a great gun too
Post by: drck1000 on September 21, 2021, 07:38:34 AM
Ill wait till black friday or blem sale. My current esstacs are blems.Difference between Wilson 10 round mags? I dunno. I'd have to check my mags. Of the top of my head, I think there are different followers.
Any huge diff in the 2 wilson 10rders, feed rails vs. Non?
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Post by: drck1000 on September 21, 2021, 07:39:07 AM
that Vickers tactical Springfield is a great bargain for 1500You should get a W/C 1911 next ;D
its on the platform of a loaded Operator which is already about 1300. for 200 more, you get the Wilson combat hammer and safety, upgraded grips, front strap checkering, front sight tritium/FO, rear combat sight
but the Colt 1911 is a great gun too
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 21, 2021, 08:50:16 AM
Difference between Wilson 10 round mags? I dunno. I'd have to check my mags. Of the top of my head, I think there are different followers.
Website says feed rail. IDK how important this is for 1911 mags, as I know very little about them. But the mags will be dropped and possible kicked around in the dirt. I do know that I won't be getting the black mags.
Post by: ren on September 21, 2021, 08:58:37 AM
unless they give you a test target with your Colt....
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 21, 2021, 09:00:01 AM
the Colt route is expensive considering that you are approaching custom 1911 smith work that can be done on comparable and cheaper Springfield Armory 1911s.
unless they give you a test target with your Colt....
Yeah, I realized that when I was shopping for other options. But MARSOC, too bad they converting to G19's. But some units haven't converted. That pic of the suicide bomber in A-stan, the casket on the plane. The marines in there all had the 1911's still.
Post by: drck1000 on September 21, 2021, 09:10:38 AM
Website says feed rail. IDK how important this is for 1911 mags, as I know very little about them. But the mags will be dropped and possible kicked around in the dirt. I do know that I won't be getting the black mags.I think just have to test. I've heard good things about W/C and McCormick (sp?) mags, and some others. I've also seen issues with W/C on some guns. Not that many rounds, but my 1911 in 9 am 45 function well with W/C mags. That said, the 45 is somewhat finicky in general.
Post by: drck1000 on September 21, 2021, 09:19:10 AM
Yeah, I realized that when I was shopping for other options. But MARSOC, too bad they converting to G19's. But some units haven't converted. That pic of the suicide bomber in A-stan, the casket on the plane. The marines in there all had the 1911's still.Cost is usually a factor in decision. For me, function and practical is key. That said, sometimes one just wants a model, for whatever reason. Name, .mil uses, whatever. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 21, 2021, 09:59:38 AM
Cost is usually a factor in decision. For me, function and practical is key. That said, sometimes one just wants a model, for whatever reason. Name, .mil uses, whatever. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
That's pretty much hitting the nail on the head. Once I shopped around and made the decision between the 2 choices, looking at other models wasn't really a turn on. Even the TRP was meh IMO.
I'm gonna order the X300U-B from Amazon. Parents gave me a gift card for my bday and they usually give me one for xmas. So gonna wait till then to order it. FYI diff between X300 are as follows:
1) X300-600 lumens
2) X300U-A-1000 lumens, designed for polymer frames
3) X300U-B-1000 lumens, designed for steel frames
Both U models would work fine on either frames though. Haven't decided between U or non-U. Depends on what the price is. Currently I got a TLR1HL on the VP9.
Going with X300 because Safari's M45 holster is only for the x300. They don't make a specific m45 model for other lights. So no choice. But I rather go with TLR1 because it's half the price of a X300. And gotta be matchy matchy with the VP9. OCD gonna kick in.
Post by: WTF?Shane on September 21, 2021, 06:18:11 PM
That's pretty much hitting the nail on the head. Once I shopped around and made the decision between the 2 choices, looking at other models wasn't really a turn on. Even the TRP was meh IMO.
I'm gonna order the X300U-B from Amazon. Parents gave me a gift card for my bday and they usually give me one for xmas. So gonna wait till then to order it. FYI diff between X300 are as follows:
1) X300-600 lumens
2) X300U-A-1000 lumens, designed for polymer frames
3) X300U-B-1000 lumens, designed for steel frames
Both U models would work fine on either frames though. Haven't decided between U or non-U. Depends on what the price is. Currently I got a TLR1HL on the VP9.
Going with X300 because Safari's M45 holster is only for the x300. They don't make a specific m45 model for other lights. So no choice. But I rather go with TLR1 because it's half the price of a X300. And gotta be matchy matchy with the VP9. OCD gonna kick in.
The older X300 were something like 170-200 lumens. The early Ultra models were 500 and then they changed some stuff to get 600 lumens.
I think most 1911 rail slots are spec'ed for pic rail as I had to use the 'R' adapter plate/bar. I would recommend the X300U-B because it is easier to change out the slot adapter and overall less things to mess around with.
Post by: WTF?Shane on September 21, 2021, 06:20:35 PM
Yeah, I realized that when I was shopping for other options. But MARSOC, too bad they converting to G19's. But some units haven't converted. That pic of the suicide bomber in A-stan, the casket on the plane. The marines in there all had the 1911's still.
Marine Force Recon are using the M45A1.
Post by: drck1000 on September 22, 2021, 07:19:36 AM
That's pretty much hitting the nail on the head. Once I shopped around and made the decision between the 2 choices, looking at other models wasn't really a turn on. Even the TRP was meh IMO.I have older 180-200 ish lumens X300s and the Ultras in 600 lumens (I think). I also have both the A and B models. I have the older lower lumen ones on handguns and one Ultra for a handgun. I have a couple of Ultras for ARs as well. U plate for Glocks and the P (or whatever the one for picatinny) for the ARs. My lights came with a variety of plates for the attachment.
I'm gonna order the X300U-B from Amazon. Parents gave me a gift card for my bday and they usually give me one for xmas. So gonna wait till then to order it. FYI diff between X300 are as follows:
1) X300-600 lumens
2) X300U-A-1000 lumens, designed for polymer frames
3) X300U-B-1000 lumens, designed for steel frames
Both U models would work fine on either frames though. Haven't decided between U or non-U. Depends on what the price is. Currently I got a TLR1HL on the VP9.
Going with X300 because Safari's M45 holster is only for the x300. They don't make a specific m45 model for other lights. So no choice. But I rather go with TLR1 because it's half the price of a X300. And gotta be matchy matchy with the VP9. OCD gonna kick in.
Post by: drck1000 on September 22, 2021, 07:23:40 AM
The older X300 were something like 170-200 lumens. The early Ultra models were 500 and then they changed some stuff to get 600 lumens.Now that you mention that, I think I have both the early 500 lumen and newer 600 lumen ones.
I think most 1911 rail slots are spec'ed for pic rail as I had to use the 'R' adapter plate/bar. I would recommend the X300U-B because it is easier to change out the slot adapter and overall less things to mess around with.
The B does make taking off and putting back on easier. I have a couple of A models where I tightened down the side rails too much and they were, uh, very secure on the top rail of my AR. Very secure. :facepalm:
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 22, 2021, 09:11:46 AM
I have older 180-200 ish lumens X300s and the Ultras in 600 lumens (I think). I also have both the A and B models. I have the older lower lumen ones on handguns and one Ultra for a handgun. I have a couple of Ultras for ARs as well. U plate for Glocks and the P (or whatever the one for picatinny) for the ARs. My lights came with a variety of plates for the attachment.
Wish I had that many pistols. Only got 1 light and 1 pistol. Or is it like holsters, never found the right light and took trial and error?
Post by: drck1000 on September 22, 2021, 09:29:36 AM
Wish I had that many pistols. Only got 1 light and 1 pistol. Or is it like holsters, never found the right light and took trial and error?Meh, Glocks cheap. . . ;D 3xGlocks for every 1911. haha
I have backups for my main training guns. I tried to have backups for both classes when travelling, as well as overall. So was the 17s for a while, and now 19s with RDS.
I've also gone full circle with handguns. From trying all different ones and see for myself, to focusing back on the tried and true. I am one that want's to try and see for myself, to that led me to trying many handguns beyond Glock. Plus tried different guns for specific things, like pistol matches, or teaching (like revolvers).
Post by: aieahound on September 22, 2021, 11:41:35 AM
Except for my .45. 8)
Post by: drck1000 on September 22, 2021, 12:07:19 PM
Post by: ren on September 22, 2021, 01:07:25 PM
Post by: drck1000 on September 22, 2021, 01:10:36 PM
make sure you have a test target :thumbsup:#fakenews
#neverexisted
:rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 22, 2021, 01:12:13 PM
make sure you have a test target :thumbsup:
I've seen key hole holes in a target, but why the hell is there a 1911 shaped hole now? :rofl:
Post by: ren on September 22, 2021, 05:15:27 PM
I've seen key hole holes in a target, but why the hell is there a 1911 shaped hole now? :rofl:
just like laundry - no ticket no laundry
no test target no 1911
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 23, 2021, 04:35:35 PM
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Post by: Bota-CS1 on September 23, 2021, 04:46:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EMda7Tt.jpg)
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 23, 2021, 05:22:04 PM
U win.(https://i.imgur.com/EMda7Tt.jpg)
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Post by: drck1000 on September 23, 2021, 05:30:03 PM
WowIs that .45 ACP gonna be enough when you miss? ???
:rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 23, 2021, 05:43:36 PM
Is that .45 ACP gonna be enough when you miss? ???Throw gun is the next step.
:rofl:
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Post by: macsak on September 23, 2021, 06:51:51 PM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on September 26, 2021, 08:17:13 AM
Post by: drck1000 on September 26, 2021, 10:12:18 AM
Since the Colt comes with 2 mags (8rders), does anyone make a mag extension to 10rds? Google didn't have anything. Only mag extensions for 2011's.I was looking at some videos to see which mags they came with. Some videos said 7 rd Wilson. My 8 rd Wilson mags have a removable basepad. That said, I haven’t looked for, or seen 2 rd mag extensions.
I also have some VERY old Colt 7 rd mags that the base plate is fixed. I can’t imagine that your new Colt would come with those though, but just mentioning that there are many mag brands that come like that.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 27, 2021, 08:43:17 AM
I was looking at some videos to see which mags they came with. Some videos said 7 rd Wilson. My 8 rd Wilson mags have a removable basepad. That said, I haven’t looked for, or seen 2 rd mag extensions.
I also have some VERY old Colt 7 rd mags that the base plate is fixed. I can’t imagine that your new Colt would come with those though, but just mentioning that there are many mag brands that come like that.
Thanks for the info, IDK if it was just my Google-Fu that was weak and couldn't find mag extensions. I ordered 3 Wilson 10rd with the upgraded tabs or something. Basically the top of the mag (metal part) starts to spread after repeated dropping. So the ones that are like $3 more per mag have a longer life, as in the top doesn't spread as quickly. And I do plan on dropping the mag in the dirt for skill builders or classes.
Then depending on what the pistol comes with or if I find on the shelf at LGS, I will pick up 2 more. Then prob sell the 8rd or 7rders.
Post by: WTF?Shane on September 27, 2021, 11:30:05 AM
Post by: drck1000 on September 27, 2021, 11:43:14 AM
Thanks for the info, IDK if it was just my Google-Fu that was weak and couldn't find mag extensions. I ordered 3 Wilson 10rd with the upgraded tabs or something. Basically the top of the mag (metal part) starts to spread after repeated dropping. So the ones that are like $3 more per mag have a longer life, as in the top doesn't spread as quickly. And I do plan on dropping the mag in the dirt for skill builders or classes.Before you sell the 7/8 rounders, I would say shoot and test with the 10 rders first.
Then depending on what the pistol comes with or if I find on the shelf at LGS, I will pick up 2 more. Then prob sell the 8rd or 7rders.
My 1911 (was my dad's) doesn't like the Colt mags with the metal follower. That said, I dunno how old those mags are and how much use they got. My dad shot it a bunch of times when I would go to the range with him, but the mags do seem well used.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 27, 2021, 11:44:40 AM
I was looking at some videos to see which mags they came with. Some videos said 7 rd Wilson. My 8 rd Wilson mags have a removable basepad. That said, I haven’t looked for, or seen 2 rd mag extensions.
I also have some VERY old Colt 7 rd mags that the base plate is fixed. I can’t imagine that your new Colt would come with those though, but just mentioning that there are many mag brands that come like that.
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1006057473?pid=114224
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2159362438?pid=922901
Looks like compatibility is the main thing to look into. When you use an extension, the original spring may not have enough tension to feed the last 1-2 rds. We all know how squishy the spring on a 1911 mag is compared to a Glock or Sig P226 mag. Not a lot of "extra tension" left when the last rd of a 7 or 8 rd mag is fed.
Most of the extended 1911 mags I see are complete factory mags, and I assume the parts are all engineered and tested so they work together.
If you extend the capacity of a magazine, be sure the spring and follower match the new base plate and mag length.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 27, 2021, 12:24:36 PM
Did you end up finding a M45A1?
Yup, Prime Sports ETA is 7-11 weeks now. I put deposit down.
I wanna run it at a skill builder. But not straight out of the box of course.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 27, 2021, 12:28:32 PM
Before you sell the 7/8 rounders, I would say shoot and test with the 10 rders first.
My 1911 (was my dad's) doesn't like the Colt mags with the metal follower. That said, I dunno how old those mags are and how much use they got. My dad shot it a bunch of times when I would go to the range with him, but the mags do seem well used.
As I watched more vids about them, I'm like WTF, sooooooooooooooooooooooo many problems. On paper, if I want a 45ACP, I should really go with the Glock or HK one. And not a 1911 which is very old tech and has reached the furthest it can go.
But heck, I like the look, the history, the feel, etc...So my money to spend on what makes me happy. Even though the brain is telling me otherwise. It's like why you stay with that crazy gf, when all your friends are telling you to dump her. The heart trumps the brain.
Post by: ren on September 27, 2021, 12:47:46 PM
As I watched more vids about them, I'm like WTF, sooooooooooooooooooooooo many problems. On paper, if I want a 45ACP, I should really go with the Glock or HK one. And not a 1911 which is very old tech and has reached the furthest it can go.The 1911 shouldnt be looked at as a piece of meat. Plastic surgery HKs perhaps but 1911 is handcrafted steel.
But heck, I like the look, the history, the feel, etc...So my money to spend on what makes me happy. Even though the brain is telling me otherwise. It's like why you stay with that crazy gf, when all your friends are telling you to dump her. The heart trumps the brain.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 27, 2021, 01:02:29 PM
The 1911 shouldnt be looked at as a piece of meat. Plastic surgery HKs perhaps but 1911 is handcrafted steel.
Yups. I also just watched a vid about dropping the slide on empty mag on a 1911 from Wilson Combat. Don't do it.
Next gotta look up dry firing. I remember being at the range and 1 guy was showing another guy his 1911. And when the other guy dry fired it, he made sure the hammer didn't hit.
Post by: stangzilla on September 27, 2021, 01:12:57 PM
it is over 100 year old design, but is still in great demand today. and good ones fetch a very hefty price tag
not all 1911's are equal in dependability. cheap ones will fail just like cheap polymer guns will fail too. while good 1911's that are in the $1k and up range will work as good if not better than a polymer handgun off the shelf from a big name manufacturer. of course you will pay a good bit of coin for a better, and not entry level, 1911. but you know what they say, "you gotta pay to play"
every gun has its place and its purpose. there may be better options for a SHTF sidearm with more capacity, lighter weight, but the 1911 is an iconic American pistol that will always be relevant in some degree
sometimes we want something that isn't what the military uses currently, or something that doesn't have high capacity, or we are not going to carry or use in self defense situation. but we want something bc we just want it, for whatever your reason is. and thats the beauty of being a gun guy/gal, get whatever makes you happy. :shaka:
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 27, 2021, 01:45:54 PM
I dry fire my vp9 with no snap caps all the time. Same goes with releasing slide on empty mag. IDK if this is good or bad for this particular gun. Never looked into it.
Post by: drck1000 on September 27, 2021, 01:49:09 PM
As I watched more vids about them, I'm like WTF, sooooooooooooooooooooooo many problems. On paper, if I want a 45ACP, I should really go with the Glock or HK one. And not a 1911 which is very old tech and has reached the furthest it can go.Like mentioned previously, get what makes you happy. I personally think 1911s are high maintenance, or at least relatively high compared to other handguns. I still own them and enjoy shooting them. I also still very much want a nicer 1911 one day.
But heck, I like the look, the history, the feel, etc...So my money to spend on what makes me happy. Even though the brain is telling me otherwise. It's like why you stay with that crazy gf, when all your friends are telling you to dump her. The heart trumps the brain.
Yups. I also just watched a vid about dropping the slide on empty mag on a 1911 from Wilson Combat. Don't do it.You had to go there. :rofl:
Next gotta look up dry firing. I remember being at the range and 1 guy was showing another guy his 1911. And when the other guy dry fired it, he made sure the hammer didn't hit.
Post by: drck1000 on September 27, 2021, 01:52:45 PM
So what are some do's and don'ts that a noob should know? Google has so many articles. 1 guy says OK, another says no. Wilson Combat didn't have a vid about dry firing, like how they said don't drop slide on empty mag. I would assume they're a good entity to listen to. Like not some random article writer.Watch out for the idiot mark. Some really nice 1911s that I've seen have them. All my 1911s are shooters, or borderline beaters, so whatevahs.
I dry fire my vp9 with no snap caps all the time. Same goes with releasing slide on empty mag. IDK if this is good or bad for this particular gun. Never looked into it.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 27, 2021, 02:32:28 PM
So what are some do's and don'ts that a noob should know? Google has so many articles. 1 guy says OK, another says no. Wilson Combat didn't have a vid about dry firing, like how they said don't drop slide on empty mag. I would assume they're a good entity to listen to. Like not some random article writer.
I dry fire my vp9 with no snap caps all the time. Same goes with releasing slide on empty mag. IDK if this is good or bad for this particular gun. Never looked into it.
RIM FIRE CARTRIDGES:
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Generally speaking, it isn't wise to repeatedly squeeze the trigger of an unloaded rim-fire handgun.
That includes both semi-autos and revolvers. The reason is that the firing pin is designed to strike
the soft, metal alloy rim of the cartridge. Without a cartridge in the chamber, the firing pin strikes
the hard steel chamber and cause damage.
If you happened to have pulled the trigger on your rim-fire pistol, don't panic. It's not likely that you
damaged anything. Due to the design, these handguns are just more prone to damage by dryfire.
Additionally, you should probably refrain from pulling the trigger on unloaded older single-action revolvers.
CENTER FIRE CARTRIDGES:
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Dry firing a center-fire semi-auto or revolver is entirely safe. The firing pin does not strike anything,
so it is not in danger of damage. Companies such as Glock and Sig Sauer state on their websites
state that dry firing their center-fire handguns is safe. They recommend using a snap cap or dummy
if conducting a “significant” amount of dry fire.
Even so, dry firing an empty gun limits the benefit of practice. Better to use dummy rounds/Snap Caps. That gives you the practice of loading mags and potentially clearing malfunctions. Since you have to rack the slide for the next trigger pull no matter what, might as well eject a dummy round for the "realism" of ejecting and loading rounds.
If you aren't sure, it's best to get the manufacturer's specific recommendations before you do any dry fire.
P.S. If you have a Glock, you can try to avoid dry firing ll you want, but you'll have to eventually. When cleaning, first you have to clear the gun and check the chamber -- that cocks the striker. Then, when ready to remove the slide, you have to pull the trigger. No way around this. Failure to pull the trigger keeps the slide from freely moving past the rails. This is considered one of Glock's worst safety design flaws, as someone cleaning the gun could have a round in the chamber. Pulling the trigger creates a dangerous ND situation. All other handguns I have do not require the trigger to be pulled for disassembly.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 27, 2021, 02:46:23 PM
Watch out for the idiot mark. Some really nice 1911s that I've seen have them. All my 1911s are shooters, or borderline beaters, so whatevahs.Yeah, that mark was mentioned in many disassembly vids. At first i was lost, but now i get it.
Mine will have 1. Plus what ever other scratches from being on the dirt.
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Post by: stangzilla on September 27, 2021, 04:25:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK88VyZfs7k
Post by: Eric808 on September 27, 2021, 05:02:20 PM
Thanks
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 27, 2021, 05:25:46 PM
I saw a post about using screw anchors as a DIY dummy rounds. If anyone has or is using them, what size are you using for 22LR? Have you use them for other calibers (also what size are you using)?
Thanks
I think they might \get stuck in your magazine....
:rofl: :geekdanc: :shaka:
Post by: jc2721 on September 27, 2021, 05:56:00 PM
I saw a post about using screw anchors as a DIY dummy rounds. If anyone has or is using them, what size are you using for 22LR? Have you use them for other calibers (also what size are you using)?The small yellow ones work well for .22 revolvers. You'd have to try them out in an autoloader to see if they'll feed from a magazine (or just single load them, of course).
Thanks
Post by: ren on September 27, 2021, 06:08:26 PM
Post by: drck1000 on September 27, 2021, 06:56:15 PM
BTW just joking about HKs. If an HK was a female it would be AOC while a 1911 would be Patricia Ford.Soooo, which one would you hit first? :o
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 27, 2021, 07:53:28 PM
BTW just joking about HKs. If an HK was a female it would be AOC while a 1911 would be Patricia Ford.I have no idea who patricia ford is. I was thinking henry fords wife? Then i googled.
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Post by: Teichi on September 27, 2021, 10:34:48 PM
The small yellow ones work well for .22 revolvers. You'd have to try them out in an autoloader to see if they'll feed from a magazine (or just single load them, of course).
I use the yellow ones in my Smith and Wesson M41. I put them at random positions in 5 round magazines and shuffle the magazines under a cloth, and load them into the pistol at random so I can learn to control recoil anticipation. They last for about 20 dryfires each.
Post by: Eric808 on September 28, 2021, 07:30:53 AM
Post by: drck1000 on September 28, 2021, 07:38:19 AM
I have no idea who patricia ford is. I was thinking henry fords wife? Then i googled.Hope the Google search didn't bring up pics of her now, in the "themes" of back in the early 90s. . .
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Post by: drck1000 on September 30, 2021, 11:44:46 AM
Yeah, that mark was mentioned in many disassembly vids. At first i was lost, but now i get it.Forgot to add that you may consider a bushing wrench. I have a plastic one I can give you.
Mine will have 1. Plus what ever other scratches from being on the dirt.
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The bushing on my RIA 1911 can be removed/worked by hand. Don't need anything except being careful to not let the spring go flying. Some 1911 folks advised me to get a wrench, but I never saw the need. That was until I came across a 1911 where the bushing was WELL fitted. I thought the sucker was stuck, but even with some lube, it takes a bit to move it. I now have a metal bushing wrench from a friend, and that makes the takedown way easier.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 30, 2021, 12:23:29 PM
Forgot to add that you may consider a bushing wrench. I have a plastic one I can give you.
The bushing on my RIA 1911 can be removed/worked by hand. Don't need anything except being careful to not let the spring go flying. Some 1911 folks advised me to get a wrench, but I never saw the need. That was until I came across a 1911 where the bushing was WELL fitted. I thought the sucker was stuck, but even with some lube, it takes a bit to move it. I now have a metal bushing wrench from a friend, and that makes the takedown way easier.
I'll let you know. Gonna try the by hand method first. And when ever I work with spring loaded stuff, I wear eye pro.
Post by: macsak on September 30, 2021, 12:32:24 PM
I'll let you know. Gonna try the by hand method first. And when ever I work with spring loaded stuff, I wear eye pro.
TWSS
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 30, 2021, 01:12:03 PM
TWSS
She did take the shim of the 22 barrel, when 2 other guys couldn't.
Post by: oldfart on September 30, 2021, 01:42:13 PM
I'll let you know. Gonna try the by hand method first. And when ever I work with spring loaded stuff, I wear eye pro....
If it doesn't come off by hand, add more lube
Post by: drck1000 on September 30, 2021, 02:07:40 PM
She did take the shim of the 22 barrel, when 2 other guys couldn't.She's used to working 22 barrels. . .
Post by: macsak on September 30, 2021, 02:22:33 PM
She's used to working 22 barrels. . .
22 short
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 01, 2021, 09:11:15 AM
Post by: drck1000 on October 01, 2021, 09:42:07 AM
3/16 to be exact"around"
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 01, 2021, 11:51:16 AM
"around"
Rounded up of course. :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 02, 2021, 03:30:17 PM
I think the main kicker is mag capacity, which is moot in HI.
I think basically, use for home defense what u want to and can shoot well. So if 22 is what u can use well, use that. Cause u are responsible for every missed shot.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211003/757c0f54708f0230adbfa8824bc9822f.jpg)
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Post by: oldfart on October 02, 2021, 04:39:34 PM
"Changemymind66x"?
Do you really believe your wife or girlfriend when they tell you "size doesn't matter?"
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 02, 2021, 05:33:13 PM
I thought you ordered a 45 already. What's your handle?I did. Eta 6-10 weeks. Mags came in.
"Changemymind66x"?
Do you really believe your wife or girlfriend when they tell you "size doesn't matter?"
Been learning more about 1911s and the great debate popped up.
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Post by: drck1000 on October 03, 2021, 06:53:24 PM
Ah shit, now im into the 9 vs. 45 debate. Never paid much attention to it b4.Uh, where have you been? Or maybe a #nofocus situation? ???
I think the main kicker is mag capacity, which is moot in HI.
I think basically, use for home defense what u want to and can shoot well. So if 22 is what u can use well, use that. Cause u are responsible for every missed shot.
But seriously, I think you generally got it. I think there’s a couple of 45 vs 9 threads on here, as well as on many gun forums. Add into the mix the fotay. I personally own them all and see the benefits of each.
I did. Eta 6-10 weeks. Mags came in.Changeyourmindoil? Haha. As an aside, since you and Mrs. Oil already have 9s, there are many good choices/options for 1911. I have a RIA 1911 in 9. Dunno the going rate these days, but mid $300 to $500 was readily available. The only changes I wanted was for a different front sight.
Been learning more about 1911s and the great debate popped up.
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Post by: stangzilla on October 03, 2021, 08:09:23 PM
Ah shit, now im into the 9 vs. 45 debate. Never paid much attention to it b4.
I think the main kicker is mag capacity, which is moot in HI.
I think basically, use for home defense what u want to and can shoot well. So if 22 is what u can use well, use that. Cause u are responsible for every missed shot.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211003/757c0f54708f0230adbfa8824bc9822f.jpg)
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45 was your first choice. Go with that. First choice is probably what you really want
Like you said in hawaii we have the 10 round limit, so capacity really isn't an issue here
45 in a 1911 platform is very controllable. Maybe 9mm is more controllable but for home defense you'll get back on target fast enough. Maybe if you're competition shooting you want as fast as can be, but defensive shooting I dont think it's a deal breaker
I am a traditionalist, 1911 is made for 45acp bc America 🇺🇸
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 04, 2021, 08:39:28 AM
1 thing that bothered me about 9mm Gold Dot or FST is that the penetration in the gel are both around 16 inches. Which is an acceptable standard. The issue is that I live in a condo, so besides the load bearing concrete pillars, everything else is drywall. So for a center mass, perfectly standing target, that;'s only like 8 inches of things the HP would go thru. Granted the gel test often don't factor in bone, I think that a 9mm would still over penetrate for my situation.
The exception is a 9mm in less than 100gr, like 96gr. Then it's like 11 inches. But those are harder to come by in HI.
With the 45 HP, the average that was on YT is about 13 inches in gel for Gold Dot or FST.
So since the above mentioned mag cap, the real downside would be the confiscation for evidence of an expensive pistol. And not like a VP9 that can be re-purchased easier and for cheaper.
I lost the link, but Lucky GUnner had an entire webpage of various HD ammo and it's gel vids. It was saved on my old phone. Haven't googled it yet.
Post by: stangzilla on October 04, 2021, 09:14:27 AM
So since the above mentioned mag cap, the real downside would be the confiscation for evidence of an expensive pistol. And not like a VP9 that can be re-purchased easier and for cheaper.
good point. my HD is my XDm in 45acp. much cheaper to replace than a more expensive 1911
Post by: drck1000 on October 04, 2021, 09:22:28 AM
1) I actually may use the 1911 as my HD once everything is up and running. Been watching ballistic HP test with 45 Gold Dot or Federal HST. Testing HD ammo that I plan to use will be buku dollahs. And see which I'm more accurate with, 9 vs. 45.1) Why are you leaning toward 1911 as HD primary? Seems like you have a lot of time/rounds with your VP9. I guess once you get up and running with M45A1, it will be interesting to see how you shoot them side-by-side.
SNIP
2) I lost the link, but Lucky GUnner had an entire webpage of various HD ammo and it's gel vids. It was saved on my old phone. Haven't googled it yet.
2) There are a bunch. I recall a few where the guy put together an interesting test with animal ribs (I think it was pork) over some inner test medium, and I think with clothes. Not saying that is the true indicator/test, but I thought it was pretty interesting.
Post by: WTF?Shane on October 04, 2021, 09:31:21 AM
So since the above mentioned mag cap, the real downside would be the confiscation for evidence of an expensive pistol. And not like a VP9 that can be re-purchased easier and for cheaper.
Not to stray off topic, but there's a lot more shit you'll be thinking about other than the $1700ish handgun that you had to turn in for evidence.
Post by: macsak on October 04, 2021, 09:32:35 AM
the chances of you being in a self defense situation in your condo is redonkulously low
I actually may use the 1911 as my HD once everything is up and running. Been watching ballistic HP test with 45 Gold Dot or Federal HST. Testing HD ammo that I plan to use will be buku dollahs. And see which I'm more accurate with, 9 vs. 45.
1 thing that bothered me about 9mm Gold Dot or FST is that the penetration in the gel are both around 16 inches. Which is an acceptable standard. The issue is that I live in a condo, so besides the load bearing concrete pillars, everything else is drywall. So for a center mass, perfectly standing target, that;'s only like 8 inches of things the HP would go thru. Granted the gel test often don't factor in bone, I think that a 9mm would still over penetrate for my situation.
The exception is a 9mm in less than 100gr, like 96gr. Then it's like 11 inches. But those are harder to come by in HI.
With the 45 HP, the average that was on YT is about 13 inches in gel for Gold Dot or FST.
So since the above mentioned mag cap, the real downside would be the confiscation for evidence of an expensive pistol. And not like a VP9 that can be re-purchased easier and for cheaper.
I lost the link, but Lucky GUnner had an entire webpage of various HD ammo and it's gel vids. It was saved on my old phone. Haven't googled it yet.
Post by: macsak on October 04, 2021, 09:33:06 AM
Not to stray off topic, but there's a lot more shit you'll be thinking about other than the $1700ish handgun that you had to turn in for evidence.
this^
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 04, 2021, 09:40:31 AM
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Post by: drck1000 on October 04, 2021, 10:17:28 AM
Not to stray off topic, but there's a lot more shit you'll be thinking about other than the $1700ish handgun that you had to turn in for evidence.
Truth. Same when folks mentioned that IF I ever had to turn in my Gucci Glock. As long as it is the best tool I have to defend myself/friends/loved ones, that's the main thing.
overthinking (as usual)He better invest in tactical bibadees den. . .
the chances of you being in a self defense situation in your condo is redonkulously low
Post by: drck1000 on October 04, 2021, 10:18:13 AM
U know once the gerbil wheel start spinning, what happens. Super duper focus!Make extra sure you color coordinate your holster, pouches, etc with the gun. . . ;D
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 04, 2021, 10:28:47 AM
Make extra sure you color coordinate your holster, pouches, etc with the gun. . . ;D
:rofl:
TBH I am. Getting the brown Safariland. This way I no mix up the VP9 (black) and this one. Gotta be matchy matchy too.
I tried the double stack Esstac Kywi and it would fall out when running. But my G-Code mag pouch works (bungee style). So gonna also order some single stack Kywi pouches next.
I was gonna put off more of the accessories (blem sales or black friday), but due to the shipping thing going on, i might order sooner than later. With the exception is the holster, just in case the gun doesn't come in and I gotta change models.
Post by: drck1000 on October 04, 2021, 11:19:41 AM
TBH I am. Getting the brown Safariland. This way I no mix up the VP9 (black) and this one. Gotta be matchy matchy too.Don't they have VP9 in FDE. But might not be same shade as the M45A1. Does the various shades of FDE on the SCAR bother you? ;D
I tried the double stack Esstac Kywi and it would fall out when running. But my G-Code mag pouch works (bungee style). So gonna also order some single stack Kywi pouches next.
I was gonna put off more of the accessories (blem sales or black friday), but due to the shipping thing going on, i might order sooner than later. With the exception is the holster, just in case the gun doesn't come in and I gotta change models.
SKD is running a 10% off sale right now. They usually have a lot of ESSTAC stuff, as well as sometimes SKD exclusive stuff.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 04, 2021, 11:32:38 AM
Post by: drck1000 on October 04, 2021, 12:23:02 PM
Ordered in FDE. Thanks for the info. CAme out to $28 vs $30 and no need pay extra $3 for the molle clips that Esstac charges for.The clips that came with the ESSTAC pouches I ordered from SKD were junk, or at least didn't work well with my belt. There were two options to choose, and I don't remember which one I got, but it was the one with side cuts. Anyways, my belt has two rows of molle and has to go around the inner belt since the molle outer fabric is light. Since the malice clips were for (3) rows, it ended up slipping. It seemed fine when testing around the house, but didn't work out that well in the next class I took. I ended up securing it with a bit of string. I ordered some other malice clips (can't remember the name of the company), but haven't tried them yet, but they aren't as flimsy as the ones that I got from SKD. Those clips aren't very expensive, so I didn't really mind. That said I now have extras if anyone needs.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 04, 2021, 12:50:30 PM
The clips that came with the ESSTAC pouches I ordered from SKD were junk, or at least didn't work well with my belt. There were two options to choose, and I don't remember which one I got, but it was the one with side cuts. Anyways, my belt has two rows of molle and has to go around the inner belt since the molle outer fabric is light. Since the malice clips were for (3) rows, it ended up slipping. It seemed fine when testing around the house, but didn't work out that well in the next class I took. I ended up securing it with a bit of string. I ordered some other malice clips (can't remember the name of the company), but haven't tried them yet, but they aren't as flimsy as the ones that I got from SKD. Those clips aren't very expensive, so I didn't really mind. That said I now have extras if anyone needs.
I think I get where you're coming from. The ones SKD has that's free, there are 2 heights. Long and short. Sounds like you got the longer ones (3 rows). I ordered the short ones (2 rows). I'll try use the ones that come in with the pouch, if not I'll just swap the ones I have for my double stack mags and order the better ones later. Since I won't be carrying 2 different mag carriers on my belt at 1 time (single and double stack).
https://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Tailor-Malice-Inches-Folded/dp/B086TY2NC9/ref=sr_1_20?dchild=1&keywords=malice+clips&qid=1633387135&sr=8-20
These are the ones that my double stack Kywi came with from the Esstac website. But did cost $3 extra to the order.
I won't have to go around my inner belt, cause my molle fabric is thick and tight to the belt (Blue Alpha Warrior Poet brand).
Esstac does sell the strap, and isn't too expensive at $2 each. But then add in $8 shipping. I mean, can't they just put it in an envelope with a $51 cent stamp? So might as well order Amazon.
Post by: macsak on October 04, 2021, 12:58:35 PM
The clips that came with the ESSTAC pouches I ordered from SKD were junk, or at least didn't work well with my belt. There were two options to choose, and I don't remember which one I got, but it was the one with side cuts. Anyways, my belt has two rows of molle and has to go around the inner belt since the molle outer fabric is light. Since the malice clips were for (3) rows, it ended up slipping. It seemed fine when testing around the house, but didn't work out that well in the next class I took. I ended up securing it with a bit of string. I ordered some other malice clips (can't remember the name of the company), but haven't tried them yet, but they aren't as flimsy as the ones that I got from SKD. Those clips aren't very expensive, so I didn't really mind. That said I now have extras if anyone needs.
clips
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 04, 2021, 01:07:23 PM
At least they didn't have to tailor the round count to 10rds to accommodate HI's mag limit. Would be shame.
Post by: drck1000 on October 04, 2021, 01:37:16 PM
I think I get where you're coming from. The ones SKD has that's free, there are 2 heights. Long and short. Sounds like you got the longer ones (3 rows). I ordered the short ones (2 rows). I'll try use the ones that come in with the pouch, if not I'll just swap the ones I have for my double stack mags and order the better ones later. Since I won't be carrying 2 different mag carriers on my belt at 1 time (single and double stack).I don't recall tall/short being an option. I think it was regular or lite version, or something like that. I do have the TT malice clip on other stuff, and they work well. Just haven't swapped out the ones for my ESSTAC. The string fix has been fine.
https://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Tailor-Malice-Inches-Folded/dp/B086TY2NC9/ref=sr_1_20?dchild=1&keywords=malice+clips&qid=1633387135&sr=8-20
These are the ones that my double stack Kywi came with from the Esstac website. But did cost $3 extra to the order.
I won't have to go around my inner belt, cause my molle fabric is thick and tight to the belt (Blue Alpha Warrior Poet brand).
Esstac does sell the strap, and isn't too expensive at $2 each. But then add in $8 shipping. I mean, can't they just put it in an envelope with a $51 cent stamp? So might as well order Amazon.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 04, 2021, 01:39:56 PM
I don't recall tall/short being an option. I think it was regular or lite version, or something like that. I do have the TT malice clip on other stuff, and they work well. Just haven't swapped out the ones for my ESSTAC. The string fix has been fine.
Pro's use duct tape. :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on October 04, 2021, 01:47:53 PM
Interesting story from Mrs. CMO when she took the women's classes in Colorado. They had a few ladies who were running 1911's (45). So the exercises had to be tailored to 7rds. And all the ladies who ran their 1911's were older. And none had the xtendo clips.Not to be anti-feminist, but were those their husband/BF's 1911s? I've seen that quite a bit for female shooters.
At least they didn't have to tailor the round count to 10rds to accommodate HI's mag limit. Would be shame.
I've been to a bunch of classes in "free magazine" states where most of the students were having standard cap mags, or even the *gasp* hi-cap 33 round mags. They never gave two craps about us folks with 10 rounders. I have had plenty of opportunity to shoot/train with standard cap mags, but I figured better to stick with the 10 rounders, at least for the most part.
Post by: drck1000 on October 04, 2021, 01:48:20 PM
Pro's use duct tape. :rofl:Uh, you mean 100 mph tape? Get with it. . .
Post by: WTF?Shane on October 04, 2021, 02:23:06 PM
Not to be anti-feminist, but were those their husband/BF's 1911s? I've seen that quite a bit for female shooters.
I've been to a bunch of classes in "free magazine" states where most of the students were having standard cap mags, or even the *gasp* hi-cap 33 round mags. They never gave two craps about us folks with 10 rounders. I have had plenty of opportunity to shoot/train with standard cap mags, but I figured better to stick with the 10 rounders, at least for the most part.
Also like to add that single stack division in USPSA has restrictions to magazine length. It makes it a little more interesting planning out your course of fire with 8rd mags.
Post by: drck1000 on October 04, 2021, 02:37:51 PM
Also like to add that single stack division in USPSA has restrictions to magazine length. It makes it a little more interesting planning out your course of fire with 8rd mags.At one time, I envisioned getting into single stack, but never did. I recall there are also rules on the bushing and something else, where the particular SA 1911 model that I was interested at the time didn't qualify for SS in USPSA. :(
Post by: stangzilla on October 04, 2021, 02:39:12 PM
I've never really liked the factory mags with the steel followers
i dont have any of the wiilson combat or those expensive ones, but I have a bunch of Mecgar which work great with the plastic followers. never had a problem with them. can be had for 20-30 bucks each depending on if you want blued or stainless finish. my Springfield Loaded Operator came with the Mecgar 8 round mags
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 04, 2021, 03:25:41 PM
Not to be anti-feminist, but were those their husband/BF's 1911s? I've seen that quite a bit for female shooters.No clue, but mrs cmo did say those old ladies were excellent shooters. So they have time behind the gun.
I've been to a bunch of classes in "free magazine" states where most of the students were having standard cap mags, or even the *gasp* hi-cap 33 round mags. They never gave two craps about us folks with 10 rounders. I have had plenty of opportunity to shoot/train with standard cap mags, but I figured better to stick with the 10 rounders, at least for the most part.
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Post by: jc2721 on October 04, 2021, 04:36:28 PM
2) There are a bunch. I recall a few where the guy put together an interesting test with animal ribs (I think it was pork) over some inner test medium, and I think with clothes. Not saying that is the true indicator/test, but I thought it was pretty interesting.
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Paul Harrell's vids. He shoots the "meat target."
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 08, 2021, 12:02:10 PM
I don't plan on opening the box until the M45 comes in. This way if the gun doesn't come in and I need to go Scorpion route, I can sell the X300 as NIB. And instead buy a Streamlight TLR-1 in FDE that is like half the price of the X300.
The holster isn't too much of an issue and can wait. Get a few Safariland on ebay if Safariland direct can't make them due to shortages.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 13, 2021, 12:20:06 PM
Also ordered my Safariland holster, in case shipping sucks toward the end of the year.
Post by: drck1000 on October 13, 2021, 07:47:30 PM
Seems like SIG shipped out a batch of scorpions. Spartan Arms in vegas has 1 and so does a guy I know who moved to TX to open his own shop. Maybe a LGS in HI will get 1 too.Check out Copquest. There are a few other online vendors that can get even custom orders pretty quick. I qualify for discount from Safariland, but there are other vendors that offer some common models faster and sometimes cheaper.
Also ordered my Safariland holster, in case shipping sucks toward the end of the year.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 13, 2021, 08:15:31 PM
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Post by: drck1000 on October 13, 2021, 08:42:31 PM
FML, mrs. Cmo saw this.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211014/c04bbbdef50d347e03471abc6c619b6a.jpg)$1838 MSRP. Yikes!
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3” barrel and aluminum frame. Sounds absolutely lovely for Mrs. CMO.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 14, 2021, 09:41:56 AM
Post by: stangzilla on October 14, 2021, 10:43:15 AM
Post by: drck1000 on October 14, 2021, 11:54:09 AM
Heard Kimbers suck now too.That subject can be a thread on it’s own.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 14, 2021, 12:01:50 PM
That subject can be a thread on it’s own.
Only reason why she knows the name Kimber is because that's what Jonas Blayne in The Unit carried. We both enjoyed the show.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 14, 2021, 12:35:54 PM
Heard Kimbers suck now too.
When I got back into shooting, I was seriously intending to pick up a Kimber, because I'd heard for over a decade that was the brand to buy if you want better-than-normal quality in a 1911. Supposedly, the tolerances and hand-fitting were on par with premium 1911s costing 2-3 times as much.
Then, when I was finally in the market to buy, I did some more research, read lots of reviews and did comparisons with other lines. What I found out is the Kimber of the mid-90s and later are not the Kimbers of prior years. Lots of articles expounding on the reasons why, so let's just say their manufacturing and quality control processes were not close to what they once were.
10 Lessons Learned from the Worst Gun I Ever Owned
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/10-lessons-learned-worst-gun-ever-owned/
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 14, 2021, 01:04:20 PM
As Red Cap in The Unit would say "What would you rather be shot with?".
Maybe 1 that's around $700 then add in a $300 purple cerakote job.
Post by: drck1000 on October 14, 2021, 01:32:32 PM
It’s still a very popular handgun and lots of zealots that makes HK fanbois look mellow.
Post by: drck1000 on October 14, 2021, 01:33:11 PM
Thanks guys. Saved me $1800. She is leaning toward a 1911 in 9mm. She asked me what's the diff between 9 and 45. Enter rabbit hole. =PFunction<<<Looks for the CMOs ;D
As Red Cap in The Unit would say "What would you rather be shot with?".
Maybe 1 that's around $700 then add in a $300 purple cerakote job.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 14, 2021, 01:55:51 PM
Function<<<Looks for the CMOs ;D
As Bill Murray would say "That's the fact jack"
What I've learned not to do is just tell her why I think it's rubbish. Instead I mention the forum and others who are old guys, who have more XP than me said they're rubbish. :rofl:
Wives typically don't listen to husbands. When we did a bodybuilding comp together, we had the same trainer. He told her what exercises and rep counts to do. I've been telling her the exact same thing for years and she no listen. He explained the whole husband/wive/bf/gf listening thing to me.
Post by: drck1000 on October 14, 2021, 05:32:26 PM
As Bill Murray would say "That's the fact jack"Eh, who you calling old?
What I've learned not to do is just tell her why I think it's rubbish. Instead I mention the forum and others who are old guys, who have more XP than me said they're rubbish. :rofl:
Wives typically don't listen to husbands. When we did a bodybuilding comp together, we had the same trainer. He told her what exercises and rep counts to do. I've been telling her the exact same thing for years and she no listen. He explained the whole husband/wive/bf/gf listening thing to me.
There’s a reason why lots of firearms classes separate significant others. I’ve seen it many times where my buddy was like “I’ve been telling her that for years” after their gf/wife has a lightbulb moment in a class.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 14, 2021, 09:04:15 PM
Friend of mine has that small kimber. I would not recommend it. Jam-o-matic. Smallest I would recommend is commander sizeWatched 3 vids so far. 2 of 3 had multiple jams. She changed her mind.
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Post by: drck1000 on October 16, 2021, 09:13:36 AM
Watched 3 vids so far. 2 of 3 had multiple jams. She changed her mind.Similar to Stang, I’ve seen a lot of Commander (4”) and smaller “pocket-size” 1911s malfunction often. Could it be a matter of tuning or ammo? Maybe, but whatever the owners were shooting, I’ve seen so many that have lots of problems.
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The other common complaint I’ve seen with Kimbers is when they switched to MIM parts. I haven’t owned one so don’t know of there are “other factors”. I also wondered if like any mechanical device, folks who like to tinker end up tinkering in the wrong areas. I’ve seen that with Glocks as well.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 16, 2021, 01:17:58 PM
Similar to Stang, I’ve seen a lot of Commander (4”) and smaller “pocket-size” 1911s malfunction often. Could it be a matter of tuning or ammo? Maybe, but whatever the owners were shooting, I’ve seen so many that have lots of problems.
The other common complaint I’ve seen with Kimbers is when they switched to MIM parts. I haven’t owned one so don’t know of there are “other factors”. I also wondered if like any mechanical device, folks who like to tinker end up tinkering in the wrong areas. I’ve seen that with Glocks as well.
Causes of FTF malfunctions in 1911:
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The 3 most common things are the magazine, extractor and the feed ramp. So if it's been flawless up to now, then I'd try different magazines or replace the mag springs.https://www.1911forum.com/threads/what-causes-ftf.274686/
Also look at the ammo, I've had problems with the Remington ammo where the bullet would push back into the case.
Post by: drck1000 on October 16, 2021, 01:50:42 PM
Causes of FTF malfunctions in 1911I recall a lot of discussion and trial/error of springs, bullet heads (FMJ, hollow points, etc), and feed ramps being main culprits. Again, not sure how much of that is due to owners tweaking stuff (aka "customizing"). I've seen it a lot on Glocks and competition guns. Can take a bit to get the right balance. That said, not something I'd prefer for an SD gun. Target/match or competition, I say go for it. But just MO.
Post by: ren on October 16, 2021, 02:32:52 PM
I recall a lot of discussion and trial/error of springs, bulletsheads(FMJ, hollow points, etc), and feed ramps being main culprits. Again, not sure how much of that is due to owners tweaking stuff (aka "customizing"). I've seen it a lot on Glocks and competition guns. Can take a bit to get the right balance. That said, not something I'd prefer for an SD gun. Target/match or competition, I say go for it. But just MO.
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Post by: esk808 on October 16, 2021, 05:34:57 PM
Watched 3 vids so far. 2 of 3 had multiple jams. She changed her mind.
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Something for Mrs. Oil
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 16, 2021, 05:52:44 PM
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Post by: drck1000 on October 16, 2021, 06:12:26 PM
Yeah, not showing her that.Do it. Then you’ll get credit for a WC 1911, or something nicer. Like an Benelli M4 🤔
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 16, 2021, 08:36:48 PM
Do it. Then you’ll get credit for a WC 1911, or something nicer. Like an Benelli M4I was looking at a M4 cause mrs.cmo has a shotty and i dont. The wife always 1 upping me.
But then i saw the price, and how much more i have to spend to make it run the way i expect, no thanks. Well, i mean i got other stuff of my list of things to buy 1st.
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Post by: drck1000 on October 16, 2021, 08:38:33 PM
I was looking at a M4 cause mrs.cmo has a shotty and i dont. The wife always 1 upping me.Nobody said being married was cheap. . .
But then i saw the price, and how much more i have to spend to make it run the way i expect, no thanks. Well, i mean i got other stuff of my list of things to buy 1st.
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Oh, you were referring to the shotty. Mah bad :rofl:
What “other stuff” you got?
Post by: esk808 on October 17, 2021, 09:03:11 PM
Yeah, not showing her that.
Mr. Oil, look at this site for the Mrs. Beautiful purple and multi-color things...........
https://www.facebook.com/Krano-Customs-101469048746417/
Post by: stangzilla on October 18, 2021, 07:39:19 AM
MSRP only $4799
https://www.nighthawkcustom.com/pistols/lady-hawk2
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Post by: drck1000 on October 18, 2021, 08:22:53 AM
something for the Mrs. : Ladyhawk 2.0Not my style, but I bet Mrs. CMO would drool over that. I am sure one could get the exact shade of purple wanted for that price range. ;D
MSRP only $4799
SNIP
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 18, 2021, 12:18:16 PM
The problem is, I only wear them at most once a month for like 5 hours. So the price increase isn't justified, but I like what I like.
Or I could just upgrade my sides which are lvl3's to DFNDR lvl 3++ or lvl4. Will go from 6lbs to 2lbs. And my current lvl3's no stop M193 anyways. Which is the most common round used. Cost is still high, but way less than the front and rear plates.
If I didn't try my friends light weight kit on, then I wouldn't be in the market. But he did let me feel the weight, so here I am.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 18, 2021, 09:54:35 PM
something for the Mrs. : Ladyhawk 2.0Def not showing her that 1. Rather cerakote a cheaper model.
MSRP only $4799
https://www.nighthawkcustom.com/pistols/lady-hawk2
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Post by: WTF?Shane on October 19, 2021, 10:09:32 PM
Looking at upgrading the plates again, to lighter ones from DFNDR. Currently front and rear total 16lbs (Spartan Armor lvl4). DFNDR would be from 8-10lbs. Depending if I want to keep the same lvl4 or go to lvl3++ which is their proprietary made up, non NIIJ rating. But YT shows they work. Compared to AR500 Armor Systems (the company) who claims their lvl3 stops a M193, but seen YT vids of that passing thru.
The problem is, I only wear them at most once a month for like 5 hours. So the price increase isn't justified, but I like what I like.
Or I could just upgrade my sides which are lvl3's to DFNDR lvl 3++ or lvl4. Will go from 6lbs to 2lbs. And my current lvl3's no stop M193 anyways. Which is the most common round used. Cost is still high, but way less than the front and rear plates.
If I didn't try my friends light weight kit on, then I wouldn't be in the market. But he did let me feel the weight, so here I am.
Trying to compensate for the added weight of a 1911 or posting in the wrong thread?
Post by: drck1000 on October 20, 2021, 09:23:39 AM
Looking at upgrading the plates again, to lighter ones from DFNDR. Currently front and rear total 16lbs (Spartan Armor lvl4). DFNDR would be from 8-10lbs. Depending if I want to keep the same lvl4 or go to lvl3++ which is their proprietary made up, non NIIJ rating. But YT shows they work. Compared to AR500 Armor Systems (the company) who claims their lvl3 stops a M193, but seen YT vids of that passing thru.There are lighter options available, but you're gonna pay $$$. Not purple custom Nighthawk $$$, but still $$$.
The problem is, I only wear them at most once a month for like 5 hours. So the price increase isn't justified, but I like what I like.
Or I could just upgrade my sides which are lvl3's to DFNDR lvl 3++ or lvl4. Will go from 6lbs to 2lbs. And my current lvl3's no stop M193 anyways. Which is the most common round used. Cost is still high, but way less than the front and rear plates.
If I didn't try my friends light weight kit on, then I wouldn't be in the market. But he did let me feel the weight, so here I am.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 22, 2021, 09:19:21 PM
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Post by: drck1000 on October 23, 2021, 12:05:42 PM
1 more thing arrived.Nice. Where did you end up ordering from?
That's a lot of batteries. CR123s last a while, but I also find myself changing them out as preventative measures. I have a meter to check battery life and do check here and there.
Hopefully the Surefire shade of FDE "matchy matchy" your 1911. . . ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 23, 2021, 06:52:42 PM
Nice. Where did you end up ordering from?Amazon.
That's a lot of batteries. CR123s last a while, but I also find myself changing them out as preventative measures. I have a meter to check battery life and do check here and there.
Hopefully the Surefire shade of FDE "matchy matchy" your 1911. . . ;D
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Post by: WTF?Shane on October 23, 2021, 10:51:58 PM
Hopefully the Surefire shade of FDE "matchy matchy" your 1911. . . ;D
Colt stopped doing Cerakote finish because they would wear out quickly. They changed to a Ionbond type finish that has a darker brown color.
Post by: drck1000 on October 25, 2021, 02:35:05 PM
Colt stopped doing Cerakote finish because they would wear out quickly. They changed to a Ionbond type finish that has a darker brown color.That makes sense. I would assume that Marines would beat the living hell out of those pistols. Any issued service firearm to any service for that matter.
I was just making light of his "matchy matchy" thing, and maybe wondering if he is OCD to notice. I have read so many folks complain about "insert MFR" FDE doesn't match this or that. So much that many companies have disclaimers about it. :o
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 04, 2021, 11:15:20 AM
It's the end of week 7 and the ETA of 8-12 weeks was given. Colt is making a batch of M45's and hopefully 1 in there is mine. CZ is now doing the quality control.
Post by: drck1000 on November 04, 2021, 11:27:21 AM
UpdateI would assume end of the window plus some. That's what it's turning out for my rifles, as well as what I've heard from folks on waiting lists for guns. I was waiting for my rifle chassis from the mfr for a while. No rush for me and timing looks to be working out well though.
It's the end of week 7 and the ETA of 8-12 weeks was given. Colt is making a batch of M45's and hopefully 1 in there is mine. CZ is now doing the quality control.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 04, 2021, 11:40:46 AM
I would assume end of the window plus some. That's what it's turning out for my rifles, as well as what I've heard from folks on waiting lists for guns. I was waiting for my rifle chassis from the mfr for a while. No rush for me and timing looks to be working out well though.
At least no need bring in the gun to reg now. So that's a plus for the delay.
Post by: drck1000 on November 04, 2021, 12:13:29 PM
At least no need bring in the gun to reg now. So that's a plus for the delay.Very true. But that longer window also had be buying more stuff. After I put in my order for the .308, it grew. A lot. I keep telling my POC that they better hurry up and finish my gun before I end up having more guns on order, buying more stuff, etc.
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 16, 2021, 02:39:36 PM
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Post by: drck1000 on November 16, 2021, 03:02:08 PM
But. . . the FDE shade on the light no "matchy matchy". Give 'um to me. I'll take care of it for ya. ;D
Post by: WTF?Shane on November 16, 2021, 05:50:16 PM
Got all the accessories i need. Holster came in today.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211117/ca14795f1e9cc6f675093b7bf7e996bf.jpg)
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Is the holster flat dark earth or coyote brown?
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 16, 2021, 07:44:29 PM
Is the holster flat dark earth or coyote brown?Coyote. Guess i ordered the wrong one, thought i got FDE. Oh well.
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Post by: drck1000 on December 17, 2021, 10:27:26 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 17, 2021, 10:31:36 AM
So what? How long more? ???
No ETA. But we do have a trip planned to Vegas, so I will check LGS up there and FFL it over if I find one. But I've been calling many LGS up there for about a month now and nonet have it or any Colts. Seems like Colt/CZ doesn't want to make money on Colts. All other brands are on the shelf, S&W, Glock, SIG, HK, CZ, etc...
Could be due to the CZ purchase of Colt maybe they found areas to improve and are working on them before starting production. IDK.
Post by: drck1000 on December 17, 2021, 10:36:09 AM
No ETA. But we do have a trip planned to Vegas, so I will check LGS up there and FFL it over if I find one. But I've been calling many LGS up there for about a month now and nonet have it or any Colts. Seems like Colt/CZ doesn't want to make money on Colts. All other brands are on the shelf, S&W, Glock, SIG, HK, CZ, etc...So you have one coming, and will buy one if you see in stock on your trip to Vegas? Ballah! :geekdanc:
Could be due to the CZ purchase of Colt maybe they found areas to improve and are working on them before starting production. IDK.
I haven't been looking at handguns recently, but did notice lack of stock on 22 rifles. Lead times for B/A rifle actions also getting up there. I was lucky to get my order in relatively good time, as well as the shop I went through have actions and barrels on regular order anyways.
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 17, 2021, 11:27:17 AM
So you have one coming, and will buy one if you see in stock on your trip to Vegas? Ballah! :geekdanc:
I haven't been looking at handguns recently, but did notice lack of stock on 22 rifles. Lead times for B/A rifle actions also getting up there. I was lucky to get my order in relatively good time, as well as the shop I went through have actions and barrels on regular order anyways.
LGS is not sure if/when it will be coming. So was advised to buy one if I see it up there.
Post by: drck1000 on December 17, 2021, 11:35:12 AM
LGS is not sure if/when it will be coming. So was advised to buy one if I see it up there.Then what do you do when the gun comes in? You sell? Or LGS says "no worries, we'll sell"?
Or you keep BOTH! :geekdanc:
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 17, 2021, 12:20:37 PM
Then what do you do when the gun comes in? You sell? Or LGS says "no worries, we'll sell"?
Or you keep BOTH! :geekdanc:
Deposit can be refunded or used to buy another gun.
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 22, 2021, 08:43:09 PM
Looks like they dont want to make $. Cases full of all other brands, even smaller names like Shadow Systems (glock clones).
Gun shortage is over here, no empty cases.
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Post by: WTF?Shane on December 22, 2021, 08:52:46 PM
Post by: jenaiz on December 22, 2021, 11:51:04 PM
Post by: Heavies on December 23, 2021, 05:13:07 AM
Which should be the best flashlight to mount Rugar LCP II? I have checked for the Streamlight 69260 TLR-1 HL, Is there anyone who suggest me?
It’s usually bad form to post an off topic question on someone else’s thread. Try posting your question on a new thread in the appropriate section. 🤙🏽
Post by: Bota-CS1 on December 23, 2021, 08:59:45 PM
What about the Springfield Operator?
Don’t copy me CMO ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on December 24, 2021, 04:01:04 AM
What about the Springfield Operator?Im worried if i get 2nd draft choice, 1st draft choice will be available. I mean can always buy 2 1911s right?
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Post by: changemyoil66 on December 24, 2021, 04:04:12 AM
Which should be the best flashlight to mount Rugar LCP II? I have checked for the Streamlight 69260 TLR-1 HL, Is there anyone who suggest me?Ill indulge since im the OP.
In general, u can get what ever light u want. For me, i buy based on value, performance and holster (if im gonna carry it).
TLR 1 is my 1st WML of choice. U can get 2 of them for the price of 1 X300. But for the M45 holster I want (Safariland), they only work with the X300. So TLR1 is not an option for this gun.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on January 06, 2022, 09:16:39 AM
Now I'm debating if I should go the SIG Emperor Scorpion route. The issue is I would need a new holster. A few months ago, my friends store in TX had 1 in. Which since then, I haven't seen any Colt 1911's at all in stores here, Vegas, or at my friends places in TX.
What I don't want is I end up getting the SIG and now the M45 is available again. Decisions, decisions, decisions. Inb4 buy both.
Post by: drck1000 on January 13, 2022, 07:37:58 PM
Update and nothing. GB has a few, but for scalper prices. Used M45A1 for $2800. At that price, I might as well spend a little more and get a NightHawk.Don’t buy both. . .
Now I'm debating if I should go the SIG Emperor Scorpion route. The issue is I would need a new holster. A few months ago, my friends store in TX had 1 in. Which since then, I haven't seen any Colt 1911's at all in stores here, Vegas, or at my friends places in TX.
What I don't want is I end up getting the SIG and now the M45 is available again. Decisions, decisions, decisions. Inb4 buy both.
Buy three, or more. Gonna need them when you have to send one back for tuning issues. . . :P
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 08, 2022, 01:13:45 PM
LGS's broker has 1 in stock. He needs to complete his order of X dollars worth of guns, which is almost complete.
I've been watching GB more and would have been able to bid and win for about $2400. But there are still many going for $3K+, which is Night Hawk territory at that price.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 08, 2022, 01:14:30 PM
Don’t buy both. . .
Buy three, or more. Gonna need them when you have to send one back for tuning issues. . . :P
Funny cause took a HRA skill builder last month and the only guy who had malfunctions was running a 1911. And that is a "S" at the end of malfunction.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 08, 2022, 01:50:33 PM
Funny cause took a HRA skill builder last month and the only guy who had malfunctions was running a 1911. And that is a "S" at the end of malfunction.
Don't blame the gun.
Post by: stangzilla on February 08, 2022, 02:15:32 PM
Funny cause took a HRA skill builder last month and the only guy who had malfunctions was running a 1911. And that is a "S" at the end of malfunction.
what kind of 1911?
Post by: oldfart on February 08, 2022, 02:46:01 PM
Most malfunctions are ammo related.
Usually reloads.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 08, 2022, 03:47:21 PM
what kind of 1911?Idk, but he was running wilson combat 10rdmags. So i was watching him so i get pointers if my 1911 comes in. Almost creeper watching intensity.
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Post by: macsak on February 08, 2022, 05:04:17 PM
Idk, but he was running wilson combat 10rdmags. So i was watching him so i get pointers if my 1911 comes in. Almost creeper watching intensity.
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almost?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 08, 2022, 08:05:52 PM
I've been shooting colt 45 autos for over 40 years.
Most malfunctions are ammo related.
Usually reloads.
Ed Zachery!
From the ammo to the mags, there are compatibility issues with some 1911s that are easy to correct by using another brand or version.
Also, many handguns no longer need much breaking-in beyond the first 100-200 rounds -- that's pretty much just a function test. With certain 1911's, the fit is so tight, it takes 500-1000 rds to break it in properly. That process ensures the metal-on-metal parts are properly worn and have the right amount of friction.
Knowing that. it's conceivable the malfunctions witnessed may have been the result of inadequate lubrication, too.
CMO, if you see the 1911 guy again, ask if he's still having malfunctions. I bet over time, he's seeing them less frequently. Also, ask if he's still using the same ammo. Maybe recommend he try something else to test.
If he calls the manufacturer to ask about sending it in for testing and/or fixing, they will grill him on details of ammo and mags. He'll need all the specs when he calls. Once they have that, they will try to get him to experiment with other, recommended brands/specs. It might be worth him calling just to get the recommended products from them. It might at least eliminate his choices as the cause if problems persist.
Just thinking out loud. As I said -- don't blame the gun -- at least not until you know it's the gun! :geekdanc:
Post by: oldfart on February 08, 2022, 08:13:17 PM
It just seemed like common sense to oil up your gun.
What happened to common sense?
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 08, 2022, 09:30:21 PM
I never used to see lubrication problems but just recently I encountered 2 people who had inadequate lubrication.AK happened.
It just seemed like common sense to oil up your gun.
What happened to common sense?
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 09, 2022, 12:50:41 AM
I never used to see lubrication problems but just recently I encountered 2 people who had inadequate lubrication.
It just seemed like common sense to oil up your gun.
What happened to common sense?
If the YouTuber that showed them how to reassemble their guns didn't go into how to oil it, well, that must not be important! :geekdanc: :shaka:
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 09, 2022, 09:16:33 AM
Ed Zachery!
From the ammo to the mags, there are compatibility issues with some 1911s that are easy to correct by using another brand or version.
Also, many handguns no longer need much breaking-in beyond the first 100-200 rounds -- that's pretty much just a function test. With certain 1911's, the fit is so tight, it takes 500-1000 rds to break it in properly. That process ensures the metal-on-metal parts are properly worn and have the right amount of friction.
Knowing that. it's conceivable the malfunctions witnessed may have been the result of inadequate lubrication, too.
CMO, if you see the 1911 guy again, ask if he's still having malfunctions. I bet over time, he's seeing them less frequently. Also, ask if he's still using the same ammo. Maybe recommend he try something else to test.
If he calls the manufacturer to ask about sending it in for testing and/or fixing, they will grill him on details of ammo and mags. He'll need all the specs when he calls. Once they have that, they will try to get him to experiment with other, recommended brands/specs. It might be worth him calling just to get the recommended products from them. It might at least eliminate his choices as the cause if problems persist.
Just thinking out loud. As I said -- don't blame the gun -- at least not until you know it's the gun! :geekdanc:
I doubt he will do any of these. The jams were solved by tap rack and IIRC was 2-3 times during the entire skill builder and didn't begin until half way thru.
Post by: Inspector on February 09, 2022, 11:21:07 AM
I've been shooting colt 45 autos for over 40 years.If you would just quit loading the bullets in backwards you wouldn’t have that problem! :rofl:
Most malfunctions are ammo related.
Usually reloads.
The “other” white meat
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 09, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
If you would just quit loading the bullets in backwards you wouldn’t have that problem! :rofl:
The “other” white meat
U mean loading the heads in backwards. :rofl:
Post by: Inspector on February 09, 2022, 11:24:37 AM
U mean loading the heads in backwards. :rofl:
sdaeh
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: DocMercy on February 09, 2022, 11:43:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCVxlp5Uz4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCVxlp5Uz4)
It looks like a Gucci gun, and would fit in nicely with the other PC guns in my safe. Except, I can't figure out whether to get this or a Wilson Combat model.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 09, 2022, 12:22:19 PM
I read through half the posts in this thread, and can't figure out if CMO has a 1911 weapon that has been picked up at local LGS with an approved PTA. If not, here is another weapon to add to da confusion. The Smith & Weston 1911 .45ACP Performance Center has not been mentioned yet. Price is around $1600 with 8-rd mags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCVxlp5Uz4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCVxlp5Uz4)
It looks like a Gucci gun, and would fit in nicely with the other PC guns in my safe. Except, I can't figure out whether to get this or a Wilson Combat model.
I ordered 1 and dropped a down payment for the M45A1 back in September. I was told 8-10 week ETA. As of today, it still has not arrived. So I asked the LGS if I should just go to Gun Broker because they had a few around $2400 which is reasonable. The ones going for $3K+ are not reasonable IMO because for a little more, I could get a Night Hawk which is way better quality. LGS said his dealer has 1 in stock, but he has to fullfill a minimum purchase order 1st. Which the LGS is close to doing. If this time isn't met, then I will ask for a refund and go GB route.
This would be a training and HD gun, so I'm not 1 to Gucci it out or look to buy a Gucci 1911 in 45. But who knows, after training with it, I might like the VP9 better and stick with that as the home defense pistol.
Post by: esk808 on February 09, 2022, 12:27:48 PM
I read through half the posts in this thread, and can't figure out if CMO has a 1911 weapon that has been picked up at local LGS with an approved PTA. If not, here is another weapon to add to da confusion. The Smith & Weston 1911 .45ACP Performance Center has not been mentioned yet. Price is around $1600 with 8-rd mags.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCVxlp5Uz4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCVxlp5Uz4)
It looks like a Gucci gun, and would fit in nicely with the other PC guns in my safe. Except, I can't figure out whether to get this or a Wilson Combat model.
I would suggest Wilson Combat over the SW 1911. Maybe consider Les Baer.
Really nice pistols at www.migunslingers.com.
I got 4 pistols from George Talia, the proprietor of this site.
George can special order a pistol from Les Baer, Wilson Combat, Nighthawk, etc. which is cheaper than ordering directly from the manufacturer's site.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 09, 2022, 01:20:09 PM
Another consideration is if you do use a pistol for self defense regardless of where, it may be confiscated as evidence and who knows when you will get it back. So would you want a $3K+ pistol to be in evidence rusting away for years? And the prosecution may ask you questions on why you bought X pistol with Y mods to it. More work for your defense attorney to do, IMO.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on February 09, 2022, 01:23:15 PM
Also depends on what you plan on using the 1911 for. My usage is for HD and range skill builders/classes. I will not CCW this pistol as it is too big and heavy.
Another consideration is if you do use a pistol for self defense regardless of where, it may be confiscated as evidence and who knows when you will get it back. So would you want a $3K+ pistol to be in evidence rusting away for years? And the prosecution may ask you questions on why you bought X pistol with Y mods to it. More work for your defense attorney to do, IMO.
A: "Why? Because I don't know what kind of weapons my attackers might have. I didn't want to be caught out-gunned, so I got the best, most reliable one I could afford. I keep hearing that there's no second place prize in a gunfight. I simply didn't want my gun to be the reason I was second."
Post by: stangzilla on February 09, 2022, 01:24:45 PM
I've also walked into a LGS wanting a certain firearm and then walking out purchasing something else, sometimes its better than what I originally wanted.
being I am a Springfield 1911 guy, I'll suggest this VIcker's Tactical 1911 https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-vickers-tactical-handguns/ it's basically a Loaded Operator with several upgrades. I think it's well worth the money $1495 MSRP it's pretty good price for what you get
my Long Beach Operator is basically a Loaded Operator with some upgrades, although not as much upgrades as the VIckers one. for only like $100 more than my gun, the VIckers one is a good deal. I've put at least 600 rounds thru my Long Beach Operator so far and not 1 malfunction. I also have the older Range Officer Operator which was around $700-ish at the time, with more rounds thru it and the same, not 1 malfunction. both using Mecgar mags. I've used FMJ ammo, JHP, and reloaded JHP and FMJ all reliable.
I hope you get that Colt 1911 you want, but maybe keep a Springfield as option B or C
good luck :shaka:
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 09, 2022, 11:09:02 PM
I totally understand wanting to get exactly what you want. that Colt 1911 is a nice pistol, and the military ties make it an interesting 1911. being military uses it or used it, must be very reliableThe Emissary caught my eye. Tacticool.
I've also walked into a LGS wanting a certain firearm and then walking out purchasing something else, sometimes its better than what I originally wanted.
being I am a Springfield 1911 guy, I'll suggest this VIcker's Tactical 1911 https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-vickers-tactical-handguns/ it's basically a Loaded Operator with several upgrades. I think it's well worth the money $1495 MSRP it's pretty good price for what you get
my Long Beach Operator is basically a Loaded Operator with some upgrades, although not as much upgrades as the VIckers one. for only like $100 more than my gun, the VIckers one is a good deal. I've put at least 600 rounds thru my Long Beach Operator so far and not 1 malfunction. I also have the older Range Officer Operator which was around $700-ish at the time, with more rounds thru it and the same, not 1 malfunction. both using Mecgar mags. I've used FMJ ammo, JHP, and reloaded JHP and FMJ all reliable.
I hope you get that Colt 1911 you want, but maybe keep a Springfield as option B or C
good luck :shaka:
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Post by: drck1000 on February 10, 2022, 01:55:55 AM
SNIPCheck out Salient then. Have to check the verbiage, but if used in a SD situation, they’ll provide a replacement firearm for the reason you mentioned above. No idea if anyone has gone that route though.
Another consideration is if you do use a pistol for self defense regardless of where, it may be confiscated as evidence and who knows when you will get it back. So would you want a $3K+ pistol to be in evidence rusting away for years? And the prosecution may ask you questions on why you bought X pistol with Y mods to it. More work for your defense attorney to do, IMO.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 11, 2022, 12:31:12 PM
Check out Salient then. Have to check the verbiage, but if used in a SD situation, they’ll provide a replacement firearm for the reason you mentioned above. No idea if anyone has gone that route though.
No Safariland holsters for the Emissary yet.
I checked out Salient, and those puppies are out of my price range. But look super tacticool. I'm going to the LGS to check on a better time frame this sat when we pick up Mrs. CMO's 22. So maybe the SIG Scorpion I will ask about. The Springfield RO or TRP is nice, but my WML is already FDE, so gotta matchy matchy, I don't wanna buy a black WML and have to bother selling/trading the FDE one. Because at that point, I would also have to get a new holster. So getting another WML would just be 1 more thing I gotta do.
Post by: drck1000 on February 12, 2022, 07:45:55 AM
No Safariland holsters for the Emissary yet.Salients were out of my price range too, but sometimes just gotta go with it.
I checked out Salient, and those puppies are out of my price range. But look super tacticool. I'm going to the LGS to check on a better time frame this sat when we pick up Mrs. CMO's 22. So maybe the SIG Scorpion I will ask about. The Springfield RO or TRP is nice, but my WML is already FDE, so gotta matchy matchy, I don't wanna buy a black WML and have to bother selling/trading the FDE one. Because at that point, I would also have to get a new holster. So getting another WML would just be 1 more thing I gotta do.
If you're super worried about that, I can trade a lightly used X300 Ultra in black for your FDE.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 12, 2022, 03:41:50 PM
Salients were out of my price range too, but sometimes just gotta go with it.Will keep in mind. Thanks.
If you're super worried about that, I can trade a lightly used X300 Ultra in black for your FDE.
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Post by: DocMercy on February 15, 2022, 12:55:16 PM
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0260/9728/7221/products/IMG_0042_1024x1024.jpg?v=1634592652)
This will dazzle any attacker in HI, and can even serve as a Texas Hold 'em All-In stake in a Vegas poker game.
Post by: changemyoil66 on February 15, 2022, 01:28:15 PM
Assuming CMO has a nice tax refund coming his way, cancel your existing 1911 order, and buy this Golden Gun 1911.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0260/9728/7221/products/IMG_0042_1024x1024.jpg?v=1634592652)
This will dazzle any attacker in HI, and can even serve as a Texas Hold 'em All-In stake in a Vegas poker game.
I'm looking more at the $500,000 meteorite 1911.
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 27, 2022, 07:54:18 PM
Then 2 week wait.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220328/7eaaa4904118c74611bb24d56133774f.jpg)
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Post by: WTF?Shane on March 27, 2022, 10:22:30 PM
Its on the way. Won the bid on GB.
Then 2 week wait.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220328/7eaaa4904118c74611bb24d56133774f.jpg)
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How much did it cost?
Post by: drck1000 on March 27, 2022, 10:31:41 PM
Its on the way. Won the bid on GB.Nice. That’s a nice pistol.
Then 2 week wait.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on March 28, 2022, 09:39:30 AM
How much did it cost?
$2625 on GB. I've seen it go for between $2300-$3K. My limit was $2500, but no CC fee of 4% or shipping, so same same. I forgot about tax. My FFL bid on it for me, so I'm also gonna pay him a "finders fee". He bid on it for me cause he promised 8-10 weeks, and it's been 6 months.
Post by: stangzilla on March 28, 2022, 09:44:10 AM
Post by: drck1000 on March 28, 2022, 09:53:58 AM
$2625 on GB. I've seen it go for between $2300-$3K. My limit was $2500, but no CC fee of 4% or shipping, so same same. I forgot about tax. My FFL bid on it for me, so I'm also gonna pay him a "finders fee". He bid on it for me cause he promised 8-10 weeks, and it's been 6 months.Not bad. Sometimes you just have to scratch the itch.
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 28, 2022, 10:01:23 AM
Not bad. Sometimes you just have to scratch the itch.
Sucks cause about 2 weeks ago, 1 went for $2375. But add in CC and shipping fees. So meh...
Post by: drck1000 on March 28, 2022, 10:28:30 AM
Sucks cause about 2 weeks ago, 1 went for $2375. But add in CC and shipping fees. So meh...That sucks. Bad timing. That's an RDS or other stuff like holsters and other gear.
But the satisfaction of having (what seems like) your dream gun is totally worth it, at least in my mind. :thumbsup:
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 28, 2022, 11:57:27 AM
That sucks. Bad timing. That's an RDS or other stuff like holsters and other gear.
But the satisfaction of having (what seems like) your dream gun is totally worth it, at least in my mind. :thumbsup:
At least wtih this one, I won't RDS it cause IMO, the 1911 looks funny with a RDS. Plus I jack up the "recon/MEU" nostalgia. I really didn't want a light as I don't plan on using this as my HD gun. I have only FMJ ammo. But buy once cry once. So I bought the WML and holster to go with. Tired of too may holsters. Plus MEU/RECON uses X300's.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on March 28, 2022, 01:02:12 PM
How much did it cost?
(https://i.imgur.com/dvJNjwL.jpg)
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 28, 2022, 01:22:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/dvJNjwL.jpg)
This about sums it up.
Post by: aieahound on March 28, 2022, 05:14:15 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 29, 2022, 09:09:41 AM
The reason I wanted it are below:
1) Always wanted a 1911 due to being a WW2 buff and seeing it in there. Then later in other military shows. This was before I became a gun owner.
2) The OG one didn't really do it for me since I began searching and saw the cooler models that have been made since. This one took the cake.
3) It will have some nostalgia since it will be the last 1911 model used by our military (RECON/MEU). But she won't be a safe queen, I plan on taking her to skill builders and getting dirty.
4) Wanted something in FDE and this fit. But now no matchy matchy with all my other black firearms.
5) I told myself years ago that until I buy this, I wont buy any other guns. The "guns to buy" list keeps growing and getting shuffled due to what's being released.
6) I was at a stage in my ability that I've learned the VP9 good enough that I can move on to something different. I didn't want to keep buying new stuff without first being decent on what I already got.
Post by: aieahound on March 29, 2022, 11:09:42 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 29, 2022, 11:39:41 AM
So been sitting on this for a while, but my next firearm will be something in 45. I was originally set on the SIG Scorpion. But after reading more about 1911's and their maintenance schedule, I'm on the drawing board again. So now I'm looking into a HKUSP instead. Not a fan of the HK45 due to it being to similar to the VP9. Not a fan of the FN45 or M&P45. Glock21 might be a possibility. But looks is also a factor. 1911's just look cool and so do USP's. HK MK23 is out of my price range (see below).
I plan on using the 1911 for skill builders/classes. So she won't be a safe queen. So spending $1200 or so is what I'm willing to spend and not have an issue with it being a tool. If I spend say $3k, then I won't want to get her dirty or scratched up.
So correct me if I'm wrong (still researching)
1) Many post/vids of 1911 mention around 5K mark some maintenance will be needed. Mainly the extractor. Compared to my VP9, I have probably double that and no extraction issues. HK says for USP, 10K is still g2g.
2) Heard the 1911 mags don't last as long as other mags. And can't just replace spring, need to buy new mag.
3) 1911 does come with only 7rds, compared to USP or others that can come with 10rd mags without having to buy a mag extension. So that's added cost per mag.
So what's everyones thoughts. Again, this pistol will be a workhorse. I won't add a RDS,but probably a fiber optic and WML.
I read my initial post just for fun. And wow.
1) I feel more comfortable with the maintenance schedule after watching vids about 1911's and how they're older tech compared to newer Glock like tech with regard to maintenance.
2) My initial budget was based on my income at the time, but I came into more, which is why I upped by budget. I still like the SIG Scorpion, but I've only seen a few on GB compared to the many M45s on GB over the past 6 months. Like 20 to 1 ratio. And visiting Vegas gun stores, I haven't seen a Scorpion in the case. But I have seen multiple Spartans in the cases. But I am still under my $3K budget, so that hasn't changed.
3) Affter watching more vids about 1911's, the extractor is very easy to replace or bend back.So no problem. Also the extractor test.
4) I mentioned mag extensions, but what I've learned is they're an extended mag with regard to the 10rd mags. Which I purchased a bunch of Wilson Combat 10rders already.
5) Of the vids I've seen, I haven't had 1 YTer mention mags not lasting long and replacing them. But then again, Hicock45 has a box of mags, so IDK.
Post by: drck1000 on March 29, 2022, 11:58:37 AM
I read my initial post just for fun. And wow.That's a big part of the reason I have threads to share experience. Both to share and to document over time. A few of us had journals/logs on another firearms board and it was interesting to see how things changed over time. Including evolution and realization of not knowing what one doesn't know.
SNIP
For mags, keep an eye on the feedlips and followers. If you have the W/C with the ETM followers, think you're good there. I haven't shot my 1911 in a while, but my W/C mags with the ETM follower have been good. Go ask WTFShane.
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 29, 2022, 12:04:24 PM
That's a big part of the reason I have threads to share experience. Both to share and to document over time. A few of us had journals/logs on another firearms board and it was interesting to see how things changed over time. Including evolution and realization of not knowing what one doesn't know.
For mags, keep an eye on the feedlips and followers. If you have the W/C with the ETM followers, think you're good there. I haven't shot my 1911 in a while, but my W/C mags with the ETM follower have been good. Go ask WTFShane.
1911 day shall be planned. But after taser day. :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on March 29, 2022, 01:44:50 PM
1911 day shall be planned. But after taser day. :rofl:I'm down for 1911 day. I have plain/basic 1911s, but still "works".
You should have put .45 acp in your conditions for agreeing to get tazed. . . :rofl:
Post by: oldfart on March 29, 2022, 01:57:56 PM
1911 day shall be planned. But after taser day. :rofl:============
So the course of fire is to get tazed and then shoot at the bad-guy target??
Post by: Bota-CS1 on March 29, 2022, 02:06:22 PM
============
So the course of fire is to get tazed and then shoot at the bad-guy target??
Nah. If you miss, you get tased.
Post by: drck1000 on March 29, 2022, 02:19:14 PM
Nah. If you miss, you get tased.That!
I'll add another box of 9 mm for CMO to do that as well! :rofl:
Post by: WTF?Shane on March 29, 2022, 02:28:02 PM
For mags, keep an eye on the feedlips and followers. If you have the W/C with the ETM followers, think you're good there. I haven't shot my 1911 in a while, but my W/C mags with the ETM follower have been good. Go ask WTFShane.
I haven't brought it out in a while, so the ETMs haven't seen much use. I was using the 47D before them and had no issues running on 2 different guns (both Springfield).
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 30, 2022, 08:59:08 AM
Post by: stangzilla on March 30, 2022, 09:20:22 AM
So prior to taking her to the range, do I clean first? I YT cleaning vids and I'm not worried about the "idiot mark" as I'm gonna assume it will happen eventually.
i would clean it first. in case there is any packing grease to clean off. I like to run my 1911's lubed pretty good.
as long as you are careful putting back that pin, you can avoid the idiot mark. the only tricky part about re-assembly is getting that pin through that barrel ring, but its not terribly tricky, actually pretty easy after a few times
if yours comes really tight fit in the barrel bushing area, might need a disassembly tool / bushing wrench to turn the bushing. one of mine came super tight, but thats how some of the good 1911's are
Post by: drck1000 on March 30, 2022, 09:45:56 AM
So prior to taking her to the range, do I clean first? I YT cleaning vids and I'm not worried about the "idiot mark" as I'm gonna assume it will happen eventually.I agree with stang. Depends on how your gun arrives. Assuming that a production model will have some grease and corrosion protection.
Another thing to check is the fit of the bushing. Some 1911s can have a very well fitting bushing. One of mine can be removed without any tools, and another needed a metal bushing tool. I had a plastic one and that one didn't cut it.
Post by: stangzilla on March 30, 2022, 10:01:33 AM
I agree with stang. Depends on how your gun arrives. Assuming that a production model will have some grease and corrosion protection.
Another thing to check is the fit of the bushing. Some 1911s can have a very well fitting bushing. One of mine can be removed without any tools, and another needed a metal bushing tool. I had a plastic one and that one didn't cut it.
same here. I already had a plastic bushing wrench that came with my Ruger 1911. but didn't work well on the Springfield that needs it. got a aluminum one that works better
Post by: stangzilla on March 30, 2022, 02:35:56 PM
i think this is the bushing wrench I have
Post by: drck1000 on March 30, 2022, 02:53:54 PM
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/handgun-tools/barrel-tools/barrel-bushing-tools/1911-anodized-bushing-wrench-prod392.aspx
Can double a bottle opener (kidding)
Post by: drck1000 on March 30, 2022, 02:55:33 PM
I haven't brought it out in a while, so the ETMs haven't seen much use. I was using the 47D before them and had no issues running on 2 different guns (both Springfield).Been shooting other pistolas? Or not shooting as much?
Unfortunately, I'm in the latter. Need to get out to the range more with the handguns for range days, matches, training, etc.
Post by: macsak on March 30, 2022, 03:15:34 PM
Been shooting other pistolas? Or not shooting as much?
Unfortunately, I'm in the latter. Need to get out to the range more with the handguns for range days, matches, training, etc.
WTF been shooting da rolland especial...
Post by: drck1000 on March 30, 2022, 03:37:26 PM
WTF been shooting da rolland especial...brrrrruuuuahhh! Pancy, pancy, eh!
I like the Agency Arms version for Aaron Cowan. But who needs another handgun, glock, etc. . . :(
Post by: Heavies on March 30, 2022, 04:57:42 PM
So prior to taking her to the range, do I clean first? I YT cleaning vids and I'm not worried about the "idiot mark" as I'm gonna assume it will happen eventually.
I’ve always field stripped and cleaned any new acquisitions. No sense causing unnecessary wear on a brand new (or even used) toy by shooting it dirty or unlubed with unknowns.
If you’re careful, you’ll avoid the scratch. I’ve never done it to any of my 1911s. There’s no need to put any downward force on the takedown pin to get it assembled if everything is lined up properly. If force is needed, recheck everything is in place, and try again.
Post by: drck1000 on March 30, 2022, 05:00:45 PM
I’ve always field stripped and cleaned any new acquisitions. No sense causing unnecessary wear on a brand new (or even used) toy by shooting it dirty or unlubed with unknowns.clean and lubed is always preferred ;D
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 30, 2022, 05:09:32 PM
I’ve always field stripped and cleaned any new acquisitions.
...
That's been my philosophy. Just like not trusting a gun to be unloaded until you inspect & clear it, never trust a gun you just bought to be properly cleaned and assembled until you've cleaned and inspected/assembled it yourself.
Not only are you making sure the gun is ready for use, you're also familiarizing yourself with it's tear down, assembly, and function. Doing that before taking it to the range can prevent many user-induced problems.
Who's to say the factory didn't do a quick cursory cleaning and lubing after test firing, only to accidentally put something together wrong? Or, if it was in a showcase, a customer or employee might have caused a problem.
Your gun -- your responsibility.
Post by: drck1000 on March 31, 2022, 08:47:20 AM
WIth the OP, I would put money on "not likely" ;D
Not only are you making sure the gun is ready for use, you're also familiarizing yourself with it's tear down, assembly, and function. Doing that before taking it to the range can prevent many user-induced problems.
SNIP
Maybe with hardware issues, but the software? :shake:
:rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 31, 2022, 09:14:25 AM
WIth the OP, I would put money on "not likely" ;D
Maybe with hardware issues, but the software? :shake:
:rofl:
Low left. It must be the gun, ammo, weather, earth not curving, etc... :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on March 31, 2022, 09:20:51 AM
Low left. It must be the gun, ammo, weather, earth not curving, etc... :rofl:You're starting to sound like someone else on 2a. . . :hmm:
clips
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 31, 2022, 09:37:14 AM
You're starting to sound like someone else on 2a. . . :hmm:
clips
Heads
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 31, 2022, 10:28:17 AM
WIth the OP, I would put money on "not likely" ;D
Maybe with hardware issues, but the software? :shake:
:rofl:
Did you mean "operator?"
"Assessment: PEBKAC."
Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
Post by: drck1000 on March 31, 2022, 10:32:05 AM
Did you mean "operator?"PEEB
"Assessment: PEBKAC."
Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
Problem Exists Everywhere Bruh :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 31, 2022, 04:38:59 PM
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Post by: aieahound on April 01, 2022, 08:38:18 PM
Need to feel it in my hand :shaka:
Up there with
I nominate Stangzilla:
"sometimes at home, i just take it out and hold it."
From Classic quotes
Post by: drck1000 on April 02, 2022, 11:26:04 AM
So the plan was to not use this for HD, but i bought 2 boxes just in case. Will probably buy more once i know it functions correctly.That's cute. . . ;D
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J/K. Did you try two each of the Federal and GD?
I don't have any SH/HP ammo for my .45 ACP anymore. That said, highly recommend (as you prob read extensively already) testing with the 1911 with .45 ACP SD/HP ammo, particularly the specific boolit head(s) shape, profile, etc.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 02, 2022, 12:54:20 PM
That's cute. . . ;DHavent tried either yet. Dont wanna buy a few boxes and it doesnt function. Then on the way out, my friend points to their 5.56 xm193 federal, half case for $309. Last time i got a case of 556 from them, it was $750 about 4 months ago. So i ended up buying half case too. This was all at SEC.
J/K. Did you try two each of the Federal and GD?
I don't have any SH/HP ammo for my .45 ACP anymore. That said, highly recommend (as you prob read extensively already) testing with the 1911 with .45 ACP SD/HP ammo, particularly the specific boolit head(s) shape, profile, etc.
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Post by: aieahound on April 02, 2022, 01:24:02 PM
When the cops take that gun you’re gonna be sick.
No matter what happens, cops are taking the gun in home defense shooting.
(Just a guess)
But if just in case happens, at least you’ll be ready.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 02, 2022, 04:02:45 PM
Hope you’re not using that gun for HD.Initial thought was no, until i saw ballistic gel test on HP 45 vs. HP 9.
When the cops take that gun you’re gonna be sick.
No matter what happens, cops are taking the gun in home defense shooting.
(Just a guess)
But if just in case happens, at least you’ll be ready.
But i do have way more range time on the vp9, so it might be a few b4 i adopt this if at all as my SD gun. At least mag capacity isnt a factor.
I followed up with my LGs who won the bid. Seller didnt even charge his credit card yet. He is going to follow up this week. Its a well known seller too.
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Post by: drck1000 on April 02, 2022, 08:52:23 PM
Hope you’re not using that gun for HD.If he does, and does care, he’ll be alive to care. Use best tool for the task. Everything else is, everything else.
When the cops take that gun you’re gonna be sick.
No matter what happens, cops are taking the gun in home defense shooting.
(Just a guess)
But if just in case happens, at least you’ll be ready.
Understand what you’re saying though. That said, I suspect he’ll soon be looking for a handgun with RDS.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 02, 2022, 10:37:32 PM
If he does, and does care, he’ll be alive to care. Use best tool for the task. Everything else is, everything else.If the LGS had a Shadow Systems Warpoet MR920, i would buy it at the same time. Make use of that 1 trip to HPD.
Understand what you’re saying though. That said, I suspect he’ll soon be looking for a handgun with RDS.
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Post by: aieahound on April 03, 2022, 01:28:00 PM
If he does, and does care, he’ll be alive to care. Use best tool for the task. Everything else is, everything else.
Made Classic quotes. :thumbsup:
Post by: drck1000 on April 03, 2022, 01:39:39 PM
If the LGS had a Shadow Systems Warpoet MR920, i would buy it at the same time. Make use of that 1 trip to HPD.Why that particular gun? Lots of choices for “improved”, “Glock-like” handguns.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 03, 2022, 06:28:12 PM
Why that particular gun? Lots of choices for “improved”, “Glock-like” handguns.Price, tacticool, and comes with the RDS i want (side battery load). So out of the box, g2g.
Edit
Shadow will also review any self defense usage of their gun and if it gets taken away, they will replace it (subject to their approval). So worry of losing a $1k gun goes down.
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Post by: drck1000 on April 04, 2022, 07:30:51 AM
Price, tacticool, and comes with the RDS i want (side battery load). So out of the box, g2g.That is something Salient offers, but I learned about after having one for a while.
Edit
Shadow will also review any self defense usage of their gun and if it gets taken away, they will replace it (subject to their approval). So worry of losing a $1k gun goes down.
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GTG out of the box you say, eh?
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 04, 2022, 09:07:01 AM
That is something Salient offers, but I learned about after having one for a while.
GTG out of the box you say, eh?
Yup, my other concern was the flat top for the RDS, like the 1st gen Walther PDP's. But Shadow uses way longer screws and uses a buffer type insert between the slide and optic which minimizes the side to side, and back and forth travel of the RDS. So seems like they mitigated that issue. Their slide is designed to take longer screws, compared to a Glock slide that's milled.
But yeah, I could buy a G19, then upgrade the slide to look tacticool, buy a tacticool barrel, Holosun RDS, stippple, etc... Or just buy the MR920 and ready. I haven't looked into it yet, but it should fit G19 holsters and accept G19 mags (Glock factory mags).
Mrs. CMO not happy about me buying 2 pistols so close together. But my excuse is I didn't pay for the M45 yet, so technically, I didn't.
Post by: drck1000 on April 04, 2022, 09:24:41 AM
Yup, my other concern was the flat top for the RDS, like the 1st gen Walther PDP's. But Shadow uses way longer screws and uses a buffer type insert between the slide and optic which minimizes the side to side, and back and forth travel of the RDS. So seems like they mitigated that issue. Their slide is designed to take longer screws, compared to a Glock slide that's milled.Ahh, you mean GTG in terms of accommodating features or things that you want for the gun. .. got it. That's part of the frustration with RDS and the different footprints. I was offered a screaming deal on a Deltapoint, but all of my current guns have RMR footprint. I was actually tempted to get another gun just for the Deltapoint though. haha
But yeah, I could buy a G19, then upgrade the slide to look tacticool, buy a tacticool barrel, Holosun RDS, stippple, etc... Or just buy the MR920 and ready. I haven't looked into it yet, but it should fit G19 holsters and accept G19 mags (Glock factory mags).
Mrs. CMO not happy about me buying 2 pistols so close together. But my excuse is I didn't pay for the M45 yet, so technically, I didn't.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 04, 2022, 09:38:10 AM
Ahh, you mean GTG in terms of accommodating features or things that you want for the gun. .. got it. That's part of the frustration with RDS and the different footprints. I was offered a screaming deal on a Deltapoint, but all of my current guns have RMR footprint. I was actually tempted to get another gun just for the Deltapoint though. haha
What did you think I meant by g2g?
With all the RDS options out there, the biggest thing for me is not having to remove the RDS to change the battery. I don't have time to go to the range to do so, which means if the battery dies, then I'm unzero'd for at least a few days, say it craps out on a Wednesday, then Saturday is the soonest I can go, but now I have to plan my day around going to the range. It would bother me all that time being unzero'd. I know guys who have the Trijicon RMR and brand new battery crapped out after 6 months. Luckily, they go range like every week, so not too big of a deal.
Post by: drck1000 on April 04, 2022, 09:58:01 AM
What did you think I meant by g2g?You determine what you think is GTG. . . I wasn't thinking available features, but getting any item "just the way you want" is a good consideration.
With all the RDS options out there, the biggest thing for me is not having to remove the RDS to change the battery. I don't have time to go to the range to do so, which means if the battery dies, then I'm unzero'd for at least a few days, say it craps out on a Wednesday, then Saturday is the soonest I can go, but now I have to plan my day around going to the range. It would bother me all that time being unzero'd. I know guys who have the Trijicon RMR and brand new battery crapped out after 6 months. Luckily, they go range like every week, so not too big of a deal.
I know many who change batteries yearly, like their smoke alarm. I don't, but I should get in the habit of doing it regularly. That said, I do have backups, to my backup RDS guns. Then back up to that are irons. . . which still work. . . ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 04, 2022, 10:36:28 AM
You determine what you think is GTG. . . I wasn't thinking available features, but getting any item "just the way you want" is a good consideration.
I know many who change batteries yearly, like their smoke alarm. I don't, but I should get in the habit of doing it regularly. That said, I do have backups, to my backup RDS guns. Then back up to that are irons. . . which still work. . . ;D
With regard to the context of the post, g2g means just the way I want it, tacticool and on paper functioning well. But it can also mean, live fire functions, but depends on the context. Or a chick that's STD free, "she's g2g".
Would it be fair to say if you know the POA/POI on your irons, you can just adjust the dot to that and be fine? Like I know where my dot sits on my AR with my back up irons. So if I ever had to remove the dot, I can pretty much don't have to re-zero. My SIG Romeo5 keeps it's zero during a battery change.
And I was watching The Modern Samurai Project and he briefly went over 10yrd or 25yrd zero. And no matter which one u do, the opposite POI is less than 1 inch. So if you zero at 10 yards, your POI at 25 is 0.7 inches low (?). And if you zero at 25 yards, your POI at 10 yards is 0.6 inches high (?). High or low can be backwards, I don't remember. Which means I'd probably zero at open shoots either HRA or HDF as they allow 10 yard targets.
Post by: drck1000 on April 04, 2022, 10:44:01 AM
With regard to the context of the post, g2g means just the way I want it, tacticool and on paper functioning well. But it can also mean, live fire functions, but depends on the context. Or a chick that's STD free, "she's g2g".Would it be fair? I would say test and see for yourself. For typical SD ranges, I think "trust but verify" applies here. I've done (need to get back to shooting more) a lot of testing in the 25 yards for POI. Also on parallax and where the dot is in the window and POI. For me, the RMRs are amazingly forgiving.
Would it be fair to say if you know the POA/POI on your irons, you can just adjust the dot to that and be fine? Like I know where my dot sits on my AR with my back up irons. So if I ever had to remove the dot, I can pretty much don't have to re-zero. My SIG Romeo5 keeps it's zero during a battery change.
And I was watching The Modern Samurai Project and he briefly went over 10yrd or 25yrd zero. And no matter which one u do, the opposite POI is less than 1 inch. So if you zero at 10 yards, your POI at 25 is 0.7 inches low (?). And if you zero at 25 yards, your POI at 10 yards is 0.6 inches high (?). High or low can be backwards, I don't remember. Which means I'd probably zero at open shoots either HRA or HDF as they allow 10 yard targets.
I like MSP. The asian guy with Polish-ish last name. I was lining up a class with him, but then COVID crap hit. I still very much want to take a class with him.
Post by: WTF?Shane on April 04, 2022, 01:37:12 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 04, 2022, 01:40:24 PM
Did you get an answer from the retailer/dealer? I did notice they had another listing up the same day you posted here.
I called today, but the GB guy was out of the officer already. I'll call tomorrow.
They did list another M45 seconds after the one I bid on was sold.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 07, 2022, 10:16:41 AM
Post by: drck1000 on April 07, 2022, 10:31:09 AM
No update. I'm to the point where I'm gonna ask for my deposit back and just bid myself on GB.:(
"don't be playing with my emotions"
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 07, 2022, 11:19:07 AM
:(
"don't be playing with my emotions"
Bro, u got no idea how frustrating. I could have gone the GB round from day 1.
Post by: drck1000 on April 07, 2022, 02:22:48 PM
Bro, u got no idea how frustrating. I could have gone the GB round from day 1.Should've ordered a W/C!
Nah, that would be frustrating. Nothing worse than being in limbo. yes or no, no "guess so".
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 08, 2022, 08:38:43 AM
Post by: drck1000 on April 08, 2022, 09:12:44 AM
So my FFL didn't upload his FFL info via the GB website, but emailed it to the seller instead. Since there was no follow up and it's been 12 days, the seller cancelled his bid and is relisting the item. I will now bid on this myself and ask for my deposit back from the LGS who was bidding on the item.Maybe you'll win for a lower amount.
Post by: aieahound on April 08, 2022, 09:19:16 AM
Now I’m still anxiously watching this thread.
The saga continues.
Good luck CMO.
Keep us posted.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 08, 2022, 09:30:43 AM
Dammit.
Now I’m still anxiously watching this thread.
The saga continues.
Good luck CMO.
Keep us posted.
I mean at this point, I'm close to just paying the "buy now" of $3499. Nevermind that I can get a Nighthawk for the same price. Emotions are getting in the way of the brain saying not to overpay. Good news is there's 1 for $2025 and the bidding ends this Sunday. So I may get it for cheaper.
Post by: drck1000 on April 08, 2022, 09:43:00 AM
I mean at this point, I'm close to just paying the "buy now" of $3499. Nevermind that I can get a Nighthawk for the same price. Emotions are getting in the way of the brain saying not to overpay. Good news is there's 1 for $2025 and the bidding ends this Sunday. So I may get it for cheaper.I'm usually one to goads folks into "dooo it", but in this case, "hell to the eff no" for that price. . .
Post by: dogman on April 08, 2022, 08:45:48 PM
I mean at this point, I'm close to just paying the "buy now" of $3499. Nevermind that I can get a Nighthawk for the same price. Emotions are getting in the way of the brain saying not to overpay. Good news is there's 1 for $2025 and the bidding ends this Sunday. So I may get it for cheaper.Good Luck :thumbsup:
Post by: aieahound on April 08, 2022, 08:53:28 PM
I'm usually one to goads folks into "dooo it", but in this case, "hell to the eff no" for that price. . .
FrIggin’ drck talked me into it (along with dogman and Heavies) and now I’m in rapback.
Permit pending.
I hate to say it but $3500 is probably more than my whole collection.
Or as anti’s would say “my arsenal” (seems like 4 guns and ammo is an Arsenal)
Good thing I got two big dogs.
Or as as Mac would say…
I have no guns, ammo or equipment….
….
Boating accident.
Good Luck :thumbsup:^
Keep us posted.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 09, 2022, 12:50:03 AM
FrIggin’ drck talked me into it (along with dogman and Heavies) and now I’m in rapback.Good news, youre not in rapback. Despite paying for it.
Permit pending.
I hate to say it but $3500 is probably more than my whole collection.
Or as anti’s would say “my arsenal” (seems like 4 guns and ammo is an Arsenal)
Good thing I got two big dogs.
Or as as Mac would say…
I have no guns, ammo or equipment….
….
Boating accident.
^
Keep us posted.
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Post by: drck1000 on April 09, 2022, 10:33:06 AM
FrIggin’ drck talked me into it (along with dogman and Heavies) and now I’m in rapback.Glad I could "help".
SNIP
Somewhat seriously, always happy to hear folks having a new or renewed interest in firearms and shooting. In particular, buying (or investing in) new firearms.
So, what are you getting?
Post by: aieahound on April 09, 2022, 10:43:24 AM
Last gun. Again. Based on your, dogman’s and Heavies words of encouragement. (Edit:forgot to mention O.F and Mac)
Exact words:
^^^ That!Permit pending. First day for permit pick up is Monday.
Do it! Dooooo it!
Hopefully I get my second 1911 (first true 1911. Other one is the Sig Scorpion with external extractor.) before CMO gets his first. :D
CMO. You’re killing me with this process. ( Don’t know why I care. Vicariously I guess.)
Get one already. :shaka:
But no rush into it. :thumbsup:
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 09, 2022, 01:38:39 PM
Colt Series 70 .45 1911. Circa 1980. Mint condition.If i didnt get the holster already, i would have bought a scorpion. Or 2 for the same price as 1 m45. GB doesnt have as much compared to M45s. Weird.
Last gun. Again. Based on your, dogman’s and Heavies words of encouragement.
Exact words:Permit pending. First day for permit pick up is Monday.
Hopefully I get my second 1911 (first true 1911. Other one is the Sig Scorpion with external extractor.) before CMO gets his first. :D
CMO. You’re killing me with this process. ( Don’t know why I care. Vicariously I guess.)
Get one already. :shaka:
But no rush into it.
Bid is at $2325 now. Ends tomorrow. Last one was $2625. So, so far so good. And last bid was on 4/5 and prior to was 3/29. So not much activity.
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Post by: oldfart on April 09, 2022, 01:43:43 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 09, 2022, 06:14:33 PM
Watching this thread is like watching the longest porno movie ever made with no climactic endingHotel porn.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 09, 2022, 06:23:03 PM
Hotel porn.... with all the nasty parts pixelated. :wtf:
Post by: WTF?Shane on April 09, 2022, 07:07:20 PM
If i didnt get the holster already, i would have bought a scorpion. Or 2 for the same price as 1 m45. GB doesnt have as much compared to M45s. Weird.
Bid is at $2325 now. Ends tomorrow. Last one was $2625. So, so far so good. And last bid was on 4/5 and prior to was 3/29. So not much activity.
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Sell the holster. Take the loss and end up saving a lot.
First time bidding? The bids will start moving in the last 10-15 minutes.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 09, 2022, 07:13:00 PM
Sell the holster. Take the loss and end up saving a lot.
First time bidding? The bids will start moving in the last 10-15 minutes.
Yep. Seasoned online auction buyers know to never place a bid too far in advance. All that does is drive up the price during the early days of the listing. Save your bids for the final hour and then see how serious the other bidders are. Some may have just submitted a bid early because they liked the low price at that time. Those guys may not come back if they don't like how high the bids have gotten.
I do like the ones that have a 5-15 minute timer for new bids. As long as people are actively bidding, the auction continues even if it's past the close-out time. That avoids the last-second "snipers" who try to get their bids in just in time without giving anyone else the chance to place another one.
Post by: aieahound on April 09, 2022, 10:43:08 PM
If you can live with a Scorpion let me know. ( Considering I get the Colt)
You’re a legit guy. My daughter may hate me but she’ll still get my Glock. ( if I don’t sell it for $2,000)
Waaaayyy less than that M45 you’re looking at.
The M45 you’re looking at seems way nicer though.
Changed action to series 70 and replaced trigger professionally.
Offer only good for CMO.
Or Glasser. :thumbsup:
Good luck with the purchase.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 10, 2022, 05:51:45 PM
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Post by: oldfart on April 10, 2022, 06:32:58 PM
2nd attempt, bid won. Had to spend more than last time. Ill keep everyone updated.===========
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ooohh yeah baby...it's coming...it's coming
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 10, 2022, 06:41:10 PM
Emailed GB to unlock my account. But theyre prob off today. Will try tomorrow.
And the drama saga continues.
I expext to hit every road block along the way. Prediction.
Item send back to seller after arriving to HI due to wrong address.
Wrong gun sent. Prob gonna be a Glock.
HPD loses my PTA and the 2 week wait has to be redone
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Post by: dogman on April 10, 2022, 07:41:27 PM
Bawhahahha.
And the drama saga continues.
Congratulations ? ? ? :thumbsup: ?? :thumbsup: ?? :thumbsup: ??
Stay tough and no matter what, don't request any mental health counseling.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 07:47:50 AM
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Post by: drck1000 on April 11, 2022, 08:05:38 AM
Bawhahahha. Tried to pay with cc via GB and my card wouldnt process. Called the cc and they blocked it due to the unusual large amount. Tried again with the cc rep on the line and didnt work. He said try again. Got locked out from paying GB. Cc rep said try 1 hour later.You've got issues. . .
Emailed GB to unlock my account. But theyre prob off today. Will try tomorrow.
And the drama saga continues.
I expext to hit every road block along the way. Prediction.
Item send back to seller after arriving to HI due to wrong address.
Wrong gun sent. Prob gonna be a Glock.
HPD loses my PTA and the 2 week wait has to be redone
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So seller said after 5 attempts, u get locked out and no way to unlock. So i hmgave my cc info over the phone. Went back to GB website and said payment has been received. From the time i gave my cc over the phone, about 1 hr 15 mins later, i got an email from GB saying my gun has been shipped.But seems like quickly resolved. I can appreciate GB being safer/cautious. My one experience with GB was great, but that was a direct sale (not auction) where I contacted the buyer directly first.
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So you should have a new 1911 to shoot in a little over 3 weeks. . .
Post by: drck1000 on April 11, 2022, 08:08:51 AM
Colt Series 70 .45 1911. Circa 1980. Mint condition.Cool. Always good to hear of folks going after their dream guns, or any gun they want really. :thumbsup:
Last gun. Again. Based on your, dogman’s and Heavies words of encouragement. (Edit:forgot to mention O.F and Mac)
Exact words:Permit pending. First day for permit pick up is Monday.
Hopefully I get my second 1911 (first true 1911. Other one is the Sig Scorpion with external extractor.) before CMO gets his first. :D
CMO. You’re killing me with this process. ( Don’t know why I care. Vicariously I guess.)
Get one already. :shaka:
But no rush into it. :thumbsup:
As far as folks on here, I have two 1911s, but I rarely shoot them. One was my dad's .45 ACP. I do enjoy shooting it from time to time, but I haven't been shooting pistols that much lately.
So you should have yours in hand well before CMO. Looking forward to the range report. . .
Post by: drck1000 on April 11, 2022, 08:09:40 AM
Congratulations ? ? ? :thumbsup: ?? :thumbsup: ?? :thumbsup: ??:rofl:
Stay tough and no matter what, don't request any mental health counseling.
No comment. . . ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 08:46:33 AM
So you should have a new 1911 to shoot in a little over 3 weeks. . .
Dot, dot, dot. Don't jinx me. :rofl:
The plan is to shoot about 500 rds FMJ the first time I get to shoot it. Combo of Federal and Ficcochi. Then if that all functions well, 50rds Federal HST. So gonna be a fun open shoot, but expensive. Depending on the ETA, either HDF or HRA. Def not the bullseye or silly side. I want to do closer distances to see the POA/POI, plus mag dump.
When I pick her up from Danger Close, I'll see what else David has on the shelf because I will be applying for my long gun PTA as well, since I will be at HPD anyways.
Post by: drck1000 on April 11, 2022, 08:55:22 AM
Dot, dot, dot. Don't jinx me. :rofl:Jinx, schminx.
The plan is to shoot about 500 rds FMJ the first time I get to shoot it. Combo of Federal and Ficcochi. Then if that all functions well, 50rds Federal HST. So gonna be a fun open shoot, but expensive. Depending on the ETA, either HDF or HRA. Def not the bullseye or silly side. I want to do closer distances to see the POA/POI, plus mag dump.
When I pick her up from Danger Close, I'll see what else David has on the shelf because I will be applying for my long gun PTA as well, since I will be at HPD anyways.
500 rounds in one range session? That's quite a lot. Don't need to do that all in one range session.
And for maximizing your "time with HPD", definitely. A second long gun is always a good idea. Haven't been to his shop in a while, but he did get a lot of stuff in recently. Namely Glock and RDS ready handguns, and many already with the RDS.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 09:02:21 AM
Jinx, schminx.
500 rounds in one range session? That's quite a lot. Don't need to do that all in one range session.
And for maximizing your "time with HPD", definitely. A second long gun is always a good idea. Haven't been to his shop in a while, but he did get a lot of stuff in recently. Namely Glock and RDS ready handguns, and many already with the RDS.
1 thing I don't have is a shotty, Mrs. CMO has one.
Post by: aieahound on April 11, 2022, 09:13:11 AM
Premature congrats CMO. :thumbsup:
And hopefully O.F. Gets his climax (to the end of the story.) :rofl:
Post pics when she gets here.
P.S. and 500 rounds .45acp in one range session? You Da Man.
Post by: drck1000 on April 11, 2022, 09:18:54 AM
Thanks for the encouragement drck. :shaka::o :rofl:
Premature congrats CMO. :thumbsup:
And hopefully O.F. Gets his climax (to the end of the story.) :rofl:
Post pics when she gets here.
P.S. and 500 rounds .45acp in one range session? You Da Man.
He still young. Plenty boolits. . . :rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 09:41:44 AM
Thanks for the encouragement drck. :shaka:
Premature congrats CMO. :thumbsup:
And hopefully O.F. Gets his climax (to the end of the story.) :rofl:
Post pics when she gets here.
P.S. and 500 rounds .45acp in one range session? You Da Man.
Thanks for the offer on the Scorpion. I was actually debating to go with that or not. If for what ever reason this fails, I may just give up on the M45 already.
If 500 is excessive, what amount do you guys thing is enough to have confidence in the pistol. Normally I would just run 200rds or so, but that's with modern guns and tech. I upped it to 500 just to make sure. Heard all kinds of stories about 1911's being picky with ammo and needing to be lubed more often, etc...
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 09:42:01 AM
:o :rofl:
He still young. Plenty boolits. . . :rofl:
Plenty lead in the boolits.
Post by: drck1000 on April 11, 2022, 10:08:45 AM
Thanks for the offer on the Scorpion. I was actually debating to go with that or not. If for what ever reason this fails, I may just give up on the M45 already.Up to you to decide what is GTG. For me, or at least in the past, I wanted 500 minimum with factory ammo for both overall gun break-in/wear-in/testing without major malfunctions/issues. If there were issues, have to evaluate and go from there. One of my Salient's had some issues in the 200-400 range and went back to Salient. I have since shot thousands after getting it back, but I would've been good after the next 200 of flawless function after getting it back.
If 500 is excessive, what amount do you guys thing is enough to have confidence in the pistol. Normally I would just run 200rds or so, but that's with modern guns and tech. I upped it to 500 just to make sure. Heard all kinds of stories about 1911's being picky with ammo and needing to be lubed more often, etc...
I think your 500 is a decent target, just not all one day. I mean can, but why? Are you in a rush to vet? I would prefer to do that say in 100-200 rounds per session over a few sessions. That way I could monitor performance and wear points. There's also the process of trouble shooting, if it comes to that, with the gun and say mags or ammo.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 11:53:36 AM
Up to you to decide what is GTG. For me, or at least in the past, I wanted 500 minimum with factory ammo for both overall gun break-in/wear-in/testing without major malfunctions/issues. If there were issues, have to evaluate and go from there. One of my Salient's had some issues in the 200-400 range and went back to Salient. I have since shot thousands after getting it back, but I would've been good after the next 200 of flawless function after getting it back.
I think your 500 is a decent target, just not all one day. I mean can, but why? Are you in a rush to vet? I would prefer to do that say in 100-200 rounds per session over a few sessions. That way I could monitor performance and wear points. There's also the process of trouble shooting, if it comes to that, with the gun and say mags or ammo.
What do you mean by monitor wear points? Don't you just add oil/lube there?
Post by: drck1000 on April 11, 2022, 12:06:55 PM
What do you mean by monitor wear points? Don't you just add oil/lube there?Looks for marks where the metal rubs on metal. Look for anything unusual. Example is on ARs, look for parts where there's anodizing, but parts end up exposing silver. Not scientific, but unusual wear can be indicator of a problem. That said, how would you know what is usual or not? Best I can offer is research online or talk to experienced folks if you notice problems.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 11, 2022, 12:23:24 PM
Looks for marks where the metal rubs on metal. Look for anything unusual. Example is on ARs, look for parts where there's anodizing, but parts end up exposing silver. Not scientific, but unusual wear can be indicator of a problem. That said, how would you know what is usual or not? Best I can offer is research online or talk to experienced folks if you notice problems.
It's difficult to tell sometimes if wear is due to normal "break-in" friction, or if it's excessive. Adding more lube isn't always a good solution. Most pistols don't need more than a couple of drops in the places where metal contacts metal, For a Glock, that's not much at all. In fact, if the pistol is overly oiled, it's going to pick up dirt and dust, cause stains on almost everything it touches, and can become slippery.
When it comes to lubricating pistols, less is more. That's why I like FrogLube. It coats the gun completely yet feels dry to the touch. But, when you use it, the heat melts the FrogLube and lubricates the internal parts.
I'd suggest if you see parts wearing through the finish or showing signs of scraping, gouging or uneven wear, call the manufacturer. See if they will let you send pics of the suspicious areas for analysis.
Post by: drck1000 on April 11, 2022, 12:42:00 PM
It's difficult to tell sometimes if wear is due to normal "break-in" friction, or if it's excessive. Adding more lube isn't always a good solution. Most pistols don't need more than a couple of drops in the places where metal contacts metal, For a Glock, that's not much at all. In fact, if the pistol is overly oiled, it's going to pick up dirt and dust, cause stains on almost everything it touches, and can become slippery.Sure. For ARs and Glocks, I've BTDT and thankfully have close friends that did before me when I was starting out. The point to the OP is that he needs to learn what is usual or not. If he want's to call the manufacturer, so be it. There are also tons of those types of posts in online forums.
When it comes to lubricating pistols, less is more. That's why I like FrogLube. It coats the gun completely yet feels dry to the touch. But, when you use it, the heat melts the FrogLube and lubricates the internal parts.
I'd suggest if you see parts wearing through the finish or showing signs of scraping, gouging or uneven wear, call the manufacturer. See if they will let you send pics of the suspicious areas for analysis.
OP - Google "AR15 cam pin wear" for an example. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 01:02:06 PM
I say pretty much because then of course there are the Cadillac's of 1911's like Dan Wessons that have their own things or Infiniti race guns, etc...Or a SIG Scorpion that has an external extractor. Then there's 2011's. But you guys get where I'm going.
I'm gonna YT more one I do my PTA. No sense doing it now, I will forget and have to re-watch by the time I pick her up.
I do have my Wilson 10rd mags loaded this entire time. Which on 3 of them, that 10th rd was harder to put in. And now no problem. Also seems like it's easier to load 1911 mags than other double stack pistol mags. IDK if I will even need a mag loader. And still gotta attach my RTI attachment to the Safariland holster. I held off on this just in case I needed to get another model. But gonna blue locktite once I pick up the gun.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 01:07:50 PM
OP - Google "AR15 cam pin wear" for an example. . .
I goggled and now crap. I'm gonna go look now. I never looked for this b4. The only thing I did do was change the buffer tube spring and gas ring test. The twang is gone. Im not too good with hands on stuff, so as long as the guns shoot, I don't inspect.
I did change the mag springs for the VP9 because on 2 mags I was getting a failure of the slide locking back after the last round. And since they're cheap, I just replaced all the mag springs at once. The problem was solved. But cause and effect type of problem. I never inspected the springs just to check on them.
Now I'm re-evaluating if I need to do this. Thanks.
Post by: drck1000 on April 11, 2022, 01:32:58 PM
I've recently learned that I can just look up pretty much any 1911 video and it would apply. Compared to looking up any HK video and it won't work since there are so many different models. I would have to google HK VP9 or HK45, etc... With 1911's I guess they're all the same basic design, despite being made by different makers (Kimber, Colt, S&W, etc...). So instead of looking up a specific M45A1 FAQ or maintenance schedule, I can just look up 1911 FAQ or maintenance schedule. 1) Like AR wear points and not have to YT Daniel Defense AR wear points or M&P Sport II wear points.1) Don't worry about that. Nothing special about your AR, nor a typical DDM4. They are all "milspec" (I hate that term, but take that as typical) and of the DI design, not piston. Same-same.
2) I say pretty much because then of course there are the Cadillac's of 1911's like Dan Wessons that have their own things or Infiniti race guns, etc...Or a SIG Scorpion that has an external extractor. Then there's 2011's. But you guys get where I'm going.
I'm gonna YT more one I do my PTA. No sense doing it now, I will forget and have to re-watch by the time I pick her up.
I do have my Wilson 10rd mags loaded this entire time. Which on 3 of them, that 10th rd was harder to put in. And now no problem. Also seems like it's easier to load 1911 mags than other double stack pistol mags. IDK if I will even need a mag loader. And still gotta attach my RTI attachment to the Safariland holster. I held off on this just in case I needed to get another model. But gonna blue locktite once I pick up the gun.
2) My 1911s are budget (really quite inexpensive). That said, I've shot a number of higher end 1911, including W/C, Nighthawk, Les Baer, etc. I assume those would come with recommendations, but I also heard and was told from the owners that most of those models are tighter tolerances (for various reasons or sales pitches). Don't know where your model falls, but I would assume mass production level.
Post by: drck1000 on April 11, 2022, 01:39:13 PM
I goggled and now crap. I'm gonna go look now. I never looked for this b4. The only thing I did do was change the buffer tube spring and gas ring test. The twang is gone. Im not too good with hands on stuff, so as long as the guns shoot, I don't inspect.I mean don't go looking for things if you're not having issues. I recall that one, and many like it when I used to be Admin on a gun board, and that came up in one of the subforums I was Mod.
I did change the mag springs for the VP9 because on 2 mags I was getting a failure of the slide locking back after the last round. And since they're cheap, I just replaced all the mag springs at once. The problem was solved. But cause and effect type of problem. I never inspected the springs just to check on them.
Now I'm re-evaluating if I need to do this. Thanks.
I was just sharing what I do, which is keeping an eye out on stuff like unusual wear as I clean. Not really looking for anything, but if something just seems out of "normal". Then look into it further.
The buffer tube thing is often one of looking for a cure without a root reason, or perceived reason. Like you noticed yesterday with many folks with guns that didn't lock back on last round. Many causes of that. Magazine, under powered ammo, action springs, etc. While I can't fault folks who like to tinker, it often leads to a lot of variables.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 01:54:26 PM
2) My 1911s are budget (really quite inexpensive). That said, I've shot a number of higher end 1911, including W/C, Nighthawk, Les Baer, etc. I assume those would come with recommendations, but I also heard and was told from the owners that most of those models are tighter tolerances (for various reasons or sales pitches). Don't know where your model falls, but I would assume mass production level.
What I came across is that the M45 not like your grandpa's 1911 (WW2 era), but not Nighthawk. More like above average when compared to a $700 Rock Island one. But in the end, it's the Indian, not the arrow. I remember watching a YT vid and most people cannot out shoot their gun. IIRC it was Warrior Poet or John Correa (Active Self Protection). I even thing MSP said something along that line as well with regards to match 2011's or something and a red dot.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 01:58:19 PM
I mean don't go looking for things if you're not having issues. I recall that one, and many like it when I used to be Admin on a gun board, and that came up in one of the subforums I was Mod.
I was just sharing what I do, which is keeping an eye out on stuff like unusual wear as I clean. Not really looking for anything, but if something just seems out of "normal". Then look into it further.
The buffer tube thing is often one of looking for a cure without a root reason, or perceived reason. Like you noticed yesterday with many folks with guns that didn't lock back on last round. Many causes of that. Magazine, under powered ammo, action springs, etc. While I can't fault folks who like to tinker, it often leads to a lot of variables.
Yeah, I spend extra $ going from milspec buffer spring to a double braided Geiselle one. Only difference was the twang, which never bothered me and when comparing the 2 side by side, the worn in milspec one was like 3 inches shorter. Prior to replacing, I had no issues that would warrant it. Just that 1 guy mentioned the twang sound, that I thought was normal when shooting and having your ear that close to the buffer tube. So basically above my pay grade to diagnose.
I like that phrase "don't go looking for things if you're not having issues".
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 02:17:24 PM
The Colt M45A1 looks similar to the Scorpion and has the tacticool level that I like. I don't mind spending a little more $1600 vs. $1100. My budget has increased since my OG post. Gun Broker had a bunch for $1600's. Safariland makes a foreskin holster. But the problem is that I would like a WML on it and they only make for the X300. Which is double the cost of my Streamlight TLR1-HL. So basically spending about $500 more.
Sounds like I missed the boat. I've been watching GB for the past 2 months and they're going for about $2500. Still got mine for under $3K, but more than $2500.
Post by: macsak on April 11, 2022, 02:51:18 PM
do they lock back now?
I goggled and now crap. I'm gonna go look now. I never looked for this b4. The only thing I did do was change the buffer tube spring and gas ring test. The twang is gone. Im not too good with hands on stuff, so as long as the guns shoot, I don't inspect.
I did change the mag springs for the VP9 because on 2 mags I was getting a failure of the slide locking back after the last round. And since they're cheap, I just replaced all the mag springs at once. The problem was solved. But cause and effect type of problem. I never inspected the springs just to check on them.
Now I'm re-evaluating if I need to do this. Thanks.
Post by: aieahound on April 11, 2022, 03:35:46 PM
Never thought of leaving them loaded for a while.
Guess I’ll try it.
Glad you hopefully, fingers crossed, knock wood found your buy once cry once.
Didn’t really want to sell the Scorpion but would have to you.
Dang thread is 25+ pages long with all the boys watching and chiming.
Got my permit today, register tomorrow.
Nothing like yours but I’m happy.
Let’s go shoot.
O.F. Set it up.
I got the grill and charcoal. (Bring tools :D)
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 03:42:27 PM
which mag springs did you get?I dont remember. They work fine now though.
do they lock back now?
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Post by: drck1000 on April 11, 2022, 05:12:24 PM
What I came across is that the M45 not like your grandpa's 1911 (WW2 era), but not Nighthawk. More like above average when compared to a $700 Rock Island one. But in the end, it's the Indian, not the arrow. I remember watching a YT vid and most people cannot out shoot their gun. IIRC it was Warrior Poet or John Correa (Active Self Protection). I even thing MSP said something along that line as well with regards to match 2011's or something and a red dot.My RIA 9 mm 1911 was less than $400, but I did get a pretty good discount. It's a sweet gun. Only thing I would change (if I shot it more) is the sights, but it's fine just out of the box.
While I can understand that most folks can't out shoot their gun, there are some guns where the QC, tolerances, etc "CAN" be a benefit. But eh, no worries. You graduated from your VP9 and the M45 will have you shooting "1/3 jabons" in no time. . . :geekdanc:
Post by: drck1000 on April 11, 2022, 05:14:21 PM
Sounds like I missed the boat. I've been watching GB for the past 2 months and they're going for about $2500. Still got mine for under $3K, but more than $2500.Early bird gets the worm, but the second rat gets the cheese. . . uh, yeah. . . ;D
which mag springs did you get?Why? When one day you actually by the HK you fantasize about? ??? :o 8)
do they lock back now?
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 05:41:07 PM
My RIA 9 mm 1911 was less than $400, but I did get a pretty good discount. It's a sweet gun. Only thing I would change (if I shot it more) is the sights, but it's fine just out of the box.QC is a deal breaker for me. TBH Tarus makes some tacticool stuff, but no bueno.
While I can understand that most folks can't out shoot their gun, there are some guns where the QC, tolerances, etc "CAN" be a benefit. But eh, no worries. You graduated from your VP9 and the M45 will have you shooting "1/3 jabons" in no time. . . :geekdanc:
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Post by: WTF?Shane on April 11, 2022, 09:47:41 PM
Sounds like I missed the boat. I've been watching GB for the past 2 months and they're going for about $2500. Still got mine for under $3K, but more than $2500.
I passed on it when they released the decommissioned guns to Gunbroker and slowly watched people flip them for profit.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 11, 2022, 10:55:33 PM
I passed on it when they released the decommissioned guns to Gunbroker and slowly watched people flip them for profit.Was like $1k right? Assholes flipping instead of letting interested people actually buy. To each their own.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 13, 2022, 07:52:35 PM
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Post by: Bota-CS1 on April 14, 2022, 12:25:25 PM
PTA applied for today.
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D A M N! After 26 pages no less…. ;D
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 14, 2022, 01:20:03 PM
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Post by: drck1000 on April 14, 2022, 01:41:39 PM
Even for 1911, there are so many damn variants. I ended up with a Safariland 7TS that can fit a wide range of 5" 1911. No light though, but my 1911s don't have rails.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 14, 2022, 05:06:47 PM
Lack of holster options, as well as cost of available options, has "saved" me from buying a number of pistols. Don't need any more pistols, but would have tried if there were better or more readily available holster options.Sounds like u need a tacticool 1 with a rail.
Even for 1911, there are so many damn variants. I ended up with a Safariland 7TS that can fit a wide range of 5" 1911. No light though, but my 1911s don't have rails.
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Post by: aieahound on April 15, 2022, 12:00:20 PM
https://www.amazon.com/gp/cart/view.html?ref_=nav_cart
No permit required. :D
Heck, I’ll probably get this faster than CMO gets his.
Had to match the bling. :rofl:
Seriously ordering though.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 15, 2022, 04:39:28 PM
My next .45Challenge accepted.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/cart/view.html?ref_=nav_cart
No permit required. :D
Heck, I’ll probably get this faster than CMO gets his.
Had to match the bling. :rofl:
Seriously ordering though.
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Post by: drck1000 on April 16, 2022, 01:27:03 PM
Sounds like u need a tacticool 1 with a rail.If/when you actually take possession of yours, let me try. I might get inspired to get one myself. . . :P
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 16, 2022, 05:15:08 PM
If/when you actually take possession of yours, let me try. I might get inspired to get one myself. . .Turning the light on and off is cheaper than shooting.
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Post by: drck1000 on April 18, 2022, 08:00:39 AM
Turning the light on and off is cheaper than shooting.Depends on which light you're referring to. The physical one, or the one "upstairs". . . ;D
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But seriously, so what? Are you going to be testing the "one stop at HPD" to the fullest? As in everything online as much as possible.
My long gun permit expires late June. Been eyeballing some pistols. O0
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 18, 2022, 08:53:41 AM
Depends on which light you're referring to. The physical one, or the one "upstairs". . . ;D
But seriously, so what? Are you going to be testing the "one stop at HPD" to the fullest? As in everything online as much as possible.
My long gun permit expires late June. Been eyeballing some pistols. O0
Yes I am doing the 1 stop. When I got to HPD, I filled out the "online" form so my PTA gets emailed to me. I talked to a guy and said his PTA was emailed to him on the 1st day it was supposed to be available at 11am. This was last week when I spoke to him. HPD said you have to print that out and sign it. That will be your original PTA.
Then I plan on registering online as well, which we've done with Mrs. CMO's 22. We reg her at 11pm and it took like 2 mins. The only issue was there is a star area that you have to input a passport or nationalization area or something. She does have a passport, so she put that in. I've spoken to others and they said just put "none" because you cannot leave this area blank.
Post by: aieahound on April 18, 2022, 12:06:27 PM
Got mine ! :D
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 18, 2022, 12:08:12 PM
Woo Hoo.
Got mine ! :D
Crap, I lost.
Post by: aieahound on April 18, 2022, 12:25:34 PM
Did you get to check it out?
Fondle her a little bit?
Can’t wait for pictures. :thumbsup:
Post by: drck1000 on April 18, 2022, 12:42:59 PM
Woo Hoo.macsak sold you his 1911 and ammo? ;D :rofl:
Got mine ! :D
#plasticheads
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 18, 2022, 12:46:01 PM
Has yours landed at DCT ?
Did you get to check it out?
Fondle her a little bit?
Can’t wait for pictures. :thumbsup:
It arrived at DCT last Wednesday. I went to HPD at 5pm that day to apply for PTA. Maybe I'll stop by and fondle her. I don't want to waste David's time though.
Post by: drck1000 on April 18, 2022, 12:48:05 PM
It arrived at DCT last Wednesday. I went to HPD at 5pm that day to apply for PTA. Maybe I'll stop by and fondle her. I don't want to waste David's time though.Buy some ammo, or a long gun while you're there. Totally worth his time! :geekdanc:
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 18, 2022, 12:58:55 PM
Buy some ammo, or a long gun while you're there. Totally worth his time! :geekdanc:
Long gun PTA was also applied for last Weds. But I will buy some 45 ammo if he has in stock. It would be rude to show up and not buy anything.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 23, 2022, 11:06:51 PM
Slide release is very tight.
Mag insertion also very tight. Had to jam it in.
Got a free HK hat from the seller.
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Post by: aieahound on April 24, 2022, 03:02:47 AM
Gun porn at it’s finest. :thumbsup:
The Scorpion was very tight also due to coating.
Takes a little breaking in.
Post by: oldfart on April 24, 2022, 09:38:39 AM
Need a proof of life photo....
Like a picture with today's newspaper.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 24, 2022, 01:48:32 PM
Still waiting for the happy ending.Or holding a spoon in 1 hand and a shoe in the other.
Need a proof of life photo....
Like a picture with today's newspaper.
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Post by: oldfart on April 24, 2022, 01:58:47 PM
Or holding a spoon in 1 hand and a shoe in the other.=========
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ok...that will do
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 09:02:43 AM
She also is looking at Stoeger coach guns.
Post by: aieahound on April 25, 2022, 09:13:26 AM
Hope she’s not looking at $2500 ones.
Get a Springfield and supe up the grips.
Blue loctite on everything bolted to a firearm. (Completely unprofessional opinion)
1911’s Rock!
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 09:23:43 AM
Here we go again. :D
Hope she’s not looking at $2500 ones.
Get a Springfield and supe up the grips.
Blue loctite on everything bolted to a firearm. (Completely unprofessional opinion)
1911’s Rock!
DCT had a Rock Island that she got to fondle. But I think she's looking at something in Springfield. We were on YT this weekend and that seemed like the brand he liked. And unlike Colt, they're still making 1911's, as in I've seen them in the display cases. And of course, the grips she's been looking at are purple.
Post by: stangzilla on April 25, 2022, 09:40:17 AM
I think it's a great 1911. maybe not best of the best like a Nighthawk, but you are getting a lot for what you are paying for
I have the old RO Operator that i got for around 650 at the time. zero malfunctions. easy to rack the slide, easy to take down, its not super tight slide to frame
for 1911's I'm a big Springfield fan
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 09:45:27 AM
So after fondling my 1911, Mrs. CMO was looking maybe for 1 for herself. She was looking at grips first. I didn't know there were so many options. So I have no plans on replacing my grips, but since it is a screw, should I be loctiting them down?There are TONS of options for grips.
She also is looking at Stoeger coach guns.
I have the Cool Hand G10 on my CZ SP-01. Plenty of options of various textures and patterns. They sell on Amazon.
My 1911s have stock grips. I was looking at VZ Grips for a while. A buddy has them on a couple on his SA 1911s. I like that they have a variety of textures to choose from. Many of the options are scalloped for access to the mag release.
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 09:47:57 AM
DCT had a Rock Island that she got to fondle. But I think she's looking at something in Springfield. We were on YT this weekend and that seemed like the brand he liked. And unlike Colt, they're still making 1911's, as in I've seen them in the display cases. And of course, the grips she's been looking at are purple.I have a RIA 1911 9 mm. It's been solid and a sweet shooting handgun. Only change I would do is front sight to FO from the plain black blade. Put it off since I don't shoot that gun very often, plus the front sight probably will need hand fitting and am lazy.
the new Springfield Operator looks really nice MSRP is in the low $1k territoryI too am a fan of SA 1911, even without owning one. A few buddies own them and they are sweet guns.
I think it's a great 1911. maybe not best of the best like a Nighthawk, but you are getting a lot for what you are paying for
I have the old RO Operator that i got for around 650 at the time. zero malfunctions. easy to rack the slide, easy to take down, its not super tight slide to frame
for 1911's I'm a big Springfield fan
Post by: stangzilla on April 25, 2022, 10:06:16 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 10:07:56 AM
there are also thin grips for the 1911. I like the thin ones better since my hands are more medium-ish size
What are your thoughts about the screws on the grips?
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 10:08:32 AM
the new Springfield Operator looks really nice MSRP is in the low $1k territory
I think it's a great 1911. maybe not best of the best like a Nighthawk, but you are getting a lot for what you are paying for
I have the old RO Operator that i got for around 650 at the time. zero malfunctions. easy to rack the slide, easy to take down, its not super tight slide to frame
for 1911's I'm a big Springfield fan
She was looking at that one, but I think she wants to match the pistol to the grip. And not the grip to the pistol. And she was complaing about how unfair I spent $2700 on mine.
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 10:13:34 AM
She was looking at that one, but I think she wants to match the pistol to the grip. And not the grip to the pistol. And she was complaing about how unfair I spent $2700 on mine.Sounds like a standard "CMO" household discussion. . . ;D
Have her shoot your 1911 a bit first.
I haven't loctited the grips on my CZ, but it's purely a competition handgun. I haven't noticed the screws moving. That said, a little dab of blue loctite would be good.
If you really don't want to worry, use the red.
J/K. Don't use the red.
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 10:14:52 AM
there are also thin grips for the 1911. I like the thin ones better since my hands are more medium-ish sizeWith the thin grips, does it help reach to the slide stop/catch with your firing hand? I can't reach (reliably) the slide stop/catch with my firing hand, so use support hand (ala LAV).
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 10:18:25 AM
With the thin grips, does it help reach to the slide stop/catch with your firing hand? I can't reach (reliably) the slide stop/catch with my firing hand, so use support hand (ala LAV).
I too cannot reach the slide release. But I power stroke anyways.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 10:18:47 AM
Sounds like a standard "CMO" household discussion. . . ;D
Have her shoot your 1911 a bit first.
I haven't loctited the grips on my CZ, but it's purely a competition handgun. I haven't noticed the screws moving. That said, a little dab of blue loctite would be good.
If you really don't want to worry, use the red.
J/K. Don't use the red.
This is the plan, to have her shoot mine 1st. CAuse if she don't like the 45ACP recoil, then all bets are off.
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 10:26:43 AM
I too cannot reach the slide release. But I power stroke anyways.Ok. How are you going to be locking the slide to the rear to clear malfunctions? Double feed, or the type that aieahound was encountering. 8)
This is the plan, to have her shoot mine 1st. CAuse if she don't like the 45ACP recoil, then all bets are off..45 ACP recoil with full sized 1911 is typically quite pleasant. Esp with the steel frame.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 11:23:37 AM
Ok. How are you going to be locking the slide to the rear to clear malfunctions? Double feed, or the type that aieahound was encountering. 8)
.45 ACP recoil with full sized 1911 is typically quite pleasant. Esp with the steel frame.
Break the grip so I can reach the lever with my thumb. Which I don't like to do for normal reloading.
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 11:33:56 AM
Break the grip so I can reach the lever with my thumb. Which I don't like to do for normal reloading.Was a partially trick question. :P :-X
Pushing the lever up to lock the slide back is fine with my firing hand. With the spring pressure when the slide is locked back, pushing the lever down is more difficult. At least for me.
Post by: stangzilla on April 25, 2022, 11:39:47 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 11:45:46 AM
Was a partially trick question. :P :-X
Pushing the lever up to lock the slide back is fine with my firing hand. With the spring pressure when the slide is locked back, pushing the lever down is more difficult. At least for me.
When I fondled my 1911, I could not release the slide. A second later, I could not insert the mag. This is when I was told the gun is tight, so slam that mag in. I figure this also applies to releasing the slide.
Even on Mrs. CMO's CZ P10C, the slide release is very stiff on both sides.
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 11:47:27 AM
I've watched Hickok45 work the slide release on 1911's bc he has really big hands, and even he has to switch his grip to release the slide. I think with a 1911 thats just how you gotta do itYa, he has some monster paws!
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 11:50:03 AM
When I fondled my 1911, I could not release the slide. A second later, I could not insert the mag. This is when I was told the gun is tight, so slam that mag in. I figure this also applies to releasing the slide.Lube it kook. . . ;D
Even on Mrs. CMO's CZ P10C, the slide release is very stiff on both sides.
On the mag thing, I've had grip panels that did not allow mags on my CZ SP-01 to not drop free. While not a 1911, I've read folks have the same issue on 1911s. The OEM grip panels on my SP-01 didn't let the newer Mecgar mags seat properly.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 11:51:45 AM
Lube it kook. . . ;D
On the mag thing, I've had grip panels that did not allow mags on my CZ SP-01 to not drop free. While not a 1911, I've read folks have the same issue on 1911s. The OEM grip panels on my SP-01 didn't let the newer Mecgar mags seat properly.
I will have to test the Wilson's that I purchased. The OEM one dropped fine. I got 5 Wilson 10rders. I hope they work. If not, back to the drawing board.
Post by: aieahound on April 25, 2022, 11:58:33 AM
Colt no problem.
Grip sizes are different.
Feel like I shoulda bought a Springfield when I bought the Sig. oh well.
Shot friends CZ .45 for first time this weekend.
Accurate as heck. And pleasant like steel framed 1911.
But not a 1911. :D
Post by: stangzilla on April 25, 2022, 12:01:43 PM
If I didn't already have my Loaded Long Beach Operator, I would look into this Vickers Tactical model. price is not bad 1495. for what you get I think it is a bargain. the Vickers is still a Loaded Operator but with more accessories on it than my gun
I would even choose this over the TRP Operator bc I prefer the GI recoil system over the full length guide rod, but that's just my opinion. but the TRP isn't much more than the Vickers, only 200-300 more
the Vickers model has more modern accessories and is cheaper too
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 12:08:10 PM
https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-vickers-tactical-handguns/If I were in the market for a 1911 in .45 ACP, def be interested in SA, particularly the Loaded and TRP.
If I didn't already have my Loaded Long Beach Operator, I would look into this Vickers Tactical model. price is not bad 1495. for what you get I think it is a bargain. the Vickers is still a Loaded Operator but with more accessories on it than my gun
I would even choose this over the TRP Operator bc I prefer the GI recoil system over the full length guide rod, but that's just my opinion. but the TRP isn't much more than the Vickers, only 200-300 more
the Vickers model has more modern accessories and is cheaper too
Got to have Mrs. CMO intersted in W/C. ;D
https://www.wilsoncombat.com/vickers-elite/
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 12:14:27 PM
Post by: stangzilla on April 25, 2022, 12:16:29 PM
If I were in the market for a 1911 in .45 ACP, def be interested in SA, particularly the Loaded and TRP.
Got to have Mrs. CMO intersted in W/C. ;D
https://www.wilsoncombat.com/vickers-elite/
that's too fancy for me. that's like getting a Ferrari, but I'm a Ford guy. :D
that WC is a good looking 1911
Post by: stangzilla on April 25, 2022, 12:25:21 PM
What are your thoughts about the screws on the grips?
not sure I'm understanding you question correctly
I have flathead screws, torx, hex wrench. for looks I like the torx or the hex wrench. but all of them stay in place. 1 time they started to come loose but i just tightened it up and its good now. blue locktite is a good idea
I also have these little O-ring things between the screw and the grip that acts like a washer on a couple of my 1911's. I think they help with the tightening of the screws and helps so you don't crack the grips when you tighten the screws
Post by: aieahound on April 25, 2022, 12:37:39 PM
No fawkin’ way she get’s a $2500 1911. (She’ll be super offended by me saying that)
She can shoot yours for shits and giggles and brag about how hers shoots better. :D
Way equivalent options for way less.
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 12:39:47 PM
Mrs. CMO's like "well you spend $2700 on your, so that means mine can but up to that as well". The TRP caught her eye too. TBH, I think she's gonna buy grips first if anything and then the gun to match.Set some reasonable goals. Like both of you enter competitions (like MPPL) and set some terms. Maybe that will help her to focus/channel energies to improving, vice wanting a shiny new gun that shoots in to the dirt. . .
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 12:42:09 PM
that's too fancy for me. that's like getting a Ferrari, but I'm a Ford guy. :DYeah, I don't think I'd ever get a W/C 1911. I mean I'd want one, but can't really justify spending that kind of money, at least right now with my centerfire and .22 lr rabbit holes. . .
that WC is a good looking 1911
I say that and I was seriously looking at the Agency Arms Ronin edition Glock 17. They were released end of last week. I saw them in stock at a few places. Told myself to give it some thought, but they sold out quickly, so no decision needed.
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 12:43:06 PM
I look at like blue loctite as plumbers tape.We'll be waiting until 2023 to hear the end of this one. . .
No fawkin’ way she get’s a $2500 1911. (She’ll be super offended by me saying that)
She can shoot yours for shits and giggles and brag about how hers shoots better. :D
Way equivalent options for way less.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 12:48:35 PM
not sure I'm understanding you question correctly
I have flathead screws, torx, hex wrench. for looks I like the torx or the hex wrench. but all of them stay in place. 1 time they started to come loose but i just tightened it up and its good now. blue locktite is a good idea
I also have these little O-ring things between the screw and the grip that acts like a washer on a couple of my 1911's. I think they help with the tightening of the screws and helps so you don't crack the grips when you tighten the screws
You got it. I like the O ring thing because although I have no plan to change my grips, I don't want to have to apply heat to them. But of the 2, I do have blue loc already. I think I will run them until they walk out, then loctite them in after.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 12:49:39 PM
Yeah, I don't think I'd ever get a W/C 1911. I mean I'd want one, but can't really justify spending that kind of money, at least right now with my centerfire and .22 lr rabbit holes. . .
I say that and I was seriously looking at the Agency Arms Ronin edition Glock 17. They were released end of last week. I saw them in stock at a few places. Told myself to give it some thought, but they sold out quickly, so no decision needed.
His new 9mm looks cool. But then I saw the price and whoa.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 25, 2022, 12:50:16 PM
We'll be waiting until 2023 to hear the end of this one. . .
hmmm...new thread or highjack my OG one? :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on April 25, 2022, 01:35:52 PM
His new 9mm looks cool. But then I saw the price and whoa.I was wanting to try an Agency Arms, as well as stick with either a 17 or 34. Seems like most versions available from retailers at 19 or 45. So when I saw a 17 version with many of the features I would want anyways, I was seriously interested. Will likely just stick with my Salient 19s though.
Post by: aieahound on April 25, 2022, 04:14:11 PM
hmmm...new thread or highjack my OG one? :rofl:
Might as well keep this one alive.
29 more pages ?
Still want a picture though.
Post by: WTF?Shane on April 25, 2022, 07:37:43 PM
Hopefully soon...
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 26, 2022, 09:07:03 AM
I didn't take pics when I fondled because I wanted to edge.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 27, 2022, 04:44:00 PM
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Post by: oldfart on April 27, 2022, 06:36:00 PM
With pussy too.
And if only took 1 year.
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 27, 2022, 07:30:15 PM
Also setting up the WML and holster again. I take for granted that all my stuff is already set up and has been for years.
What i find intersting is the new stuff to figure out.
Like when slide is locked back with empty mag, gotta take mag out in order to release the slide.
With hood on holster and hammer down, its a very tight fit. Seems to be made to engage hood cocked n locked.
And holster has soft material on the inside, compared to my vp9 which is all plastic. Maybe cause early painted m45s had an issue with the tan wearing easily. I got the Ion bond.
I like how my thumb rides on the saftey when its dissengaged. It fits nicely.
Trigger feels very nice. Different from bladed triggers.
Ill post more as i dry fire and 1st range day. But range day wont be till HRAs next open shoot which is may 15. Gonna see POI 3,7,15 yards.
Finally, im sure i will have the idiot mark later. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220428/5936e8dcd5120957edf458f14c57a713.jpg)
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Post by: Heavies on April 28, 2022, 04:48:00 AM
Post by: oldfart on April 28, 2022, 06:36:34 AM
Loose live rounds on the table while tinkering with a gun?
Post by: stangzilla on April 28, 2022, 07:10:34 AM
Like when slide is locked back with empty mag, gotta take mag out in order to release the slide.
You can press the slide stop/release and it will release the slide with an empty mag. It just might be a little stiff at first
Nice 1911 :shaka:
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 28, 2022, 07:16:56 AM
You can press the slide stop/release and it will release the slide with an empty mag. It just might be a little stiff at firstI consider my fingers and grip stronger than the average person. I cant do it. Ill keep trying.
Nice 1911 :shaka:
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 28, 2022, 07:17:20 AM
Hmmm...Skittles.
Loose live rounds on the table while tinkering with a gun?
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 28, 2022, 07:41:21 AM
Noticed no where to do 1 handed slide racking. For the vp9, i use the ledge on the rear sight to rack on my belt. This one is an upward angle. Any other ideas?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220428/2e539605e1cdb700629424a7ae92b086.jpg)
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Post by: aieahound on April 28, 2022, 10:16:02 AM
Someone should organize a shoot.
(Just not me. :D)
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 28, 2022, 12:10:02 PM
She’s a Beaut.
Someone should organize a shoot.
(Just not me. :D)
After May 15 (HRA open shoot). I plan on breaking her in after the skill builder (carbine). Been dry firing and practicing other stuff. I'm so used to my VP9 so its a diff platform to learn.
Post by: 6716J on April 28, 2022, 02:04:06 PM
Got the WML on. My streamlight TLR1 is way easier to install. No need coin or flat head screwdriver to tighten down.
Noticed no where to do 1 handed slide racking. For the vp9, i use the ledge on the rear sight to rack on my belt. This one is an upward angle. Any other ideas?
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Trijicon makes sights for them https://www.trijicon.com/products/details/ca128o
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.trijicon.com%2Fuploads%2Fproduct-uploads%2FCA128Y_270.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Heine too: https://www.opticsplanet.com/heinie-ruger-1911-ledge-gun-sight.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&msclkid=80713621de7216be04ab544af6ec0ecb
(https://op1.0ps.us/978-550-ffffff-no-upscale/opplanet-heinie-ruger-1911-ledge-straight-eight-gun-sight-set-30075l-main.jpg)
Prolly same sights anyways
Post by: WTF?Shane on April 28, 2022, 02:40:24 PM
I consider my fingers and grip stronger than the average person. I cant do it. Ill keep trying.
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Other than practicing, why would you need to send it forward with an empty mag inserted?
Post by: WTF?Shane on April 28, 2022, 02:42:42 PM
Trijicon makes sights for them https://www.trijicon.com/products/details/ca128o
IDK. He spent all the money to emulate what the Corps carried, why would he want to deviate?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 28, 2022, 03:00:16 PM
I consider my fingers and grip stronger than the average person. I cant do it. Ill keep trying.
If yours has a dual recoil spring, you will notice racking the slide is a lot harder than other handguns with a single spring. That means there's a lot more pressure holding the slide open against the slide lock.
Try giving the slide a little push toward the rear as you move the slide release. It should be very easy to move out of the way of the notch on the slide.
Once the lock is past the notch, it should return to the "closed" position.
I suspect after it's broken in, the springs will loosen a bit and make releasing the slide lock easier.
Post by: ren on April 28, 2022, 04:28:28 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 28, 2022, 05:40:55 PM
Trijicon makes sights for them https://www.trijicon.com/products/details/ca128oI wonder if can just change the rear to what ever brand?
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Heine too: https://www.opticsplanet.com/heinie-ruger-1911-ledge-gun-sight.html?gclsrc=aw.ds&msclkid=80713621de7216be04ab544af6ec0ecb
(https://op1.0ps.us/978-550-ffffff-no-upscale/opplanet-heinie-ruger-1911-ledge-straight-eight-gun-sight-set-30075l-main.jpg)
Prolly same sights anyways
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 28, 2022, 05:41:32 PM
Other than practicing, why would you need to send it forward with an empty mag inserted?No clue. Just something the vp9 can do that the 1911 cant.
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Post by: dogman on April 28, 2022, 06:03:07 PM
Ill post more as i dry fire and 1st range day. But range day wont be till HRAs next open shoot which is may 15. Gonna see POI 3,7,15 yards.So everything went as planned ::), awesome! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I'll see you on the 15th.
She’s a Beaut.So everything went as planned :o, awesome! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I'll see you on the 15th?
Someone should organize a shoot.
(Just not me. :D)
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 28, 2022, 06:05:03 PM
So everything went as planned ::), awesome!Yup. We coming for the skill builder. Brining lunch for the break. Cold stuff like somen and spicy tuna roll.
So everything went as planned :o, awesome!
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Post by: changemyoil66 on April 29, 2022, 01:06:25 PM
War poet doesnt own a 1911.
Guess im noy a total war poet gear whore.
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Post by: drck1000 on May 02, 2022, 09:07:45 AM
I wonder if can just change the rear to what ever brand?
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Look up the sight heights. I am betting different heights between brands and even different models in the same line. Recommend shooting the gun as-is first. Sites like Dawson Precision have calculators for the POI. I have a number of their sights and have always been happy, well, except for the times when I filed too much when fitting. :(
Post by: drck1000 on May 02, 2022, 09:08:15 AM
So everything went as planned ::), awesome! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I'll see you on the 15th.If dogman will be there, then. . . 8)
So everything went as planned :o, awesome! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I'll see you on the 15th?
Post by: drck1000 on May 02, 2022, 09:13:35 AM
Got the WML on. My streamlight TLR1 is way easier to install. No need coin or flat head screwdriver to tighten down.There are some front sights where you can rack the slide with and were intended for that use (so built a little more stout). I have a set of 10-8 on a Glock 17 and I've tried/tested and it works. There are various techniques to make it easier, but on your belt or along your waist isn't the easiest, especially if you have love handles.
Noticed no where to do 1 handed slide racking. For the vp9, i use the ledge on the rear sight to rack on my belt. This one is an upward angle. Any other ideas?
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Post by: changemyoil66 on May 02, 2022, 09:26:11 AM
Look up the sight heights. I am betting different heights between brands and even different models in the same line. Recommend shooting the gun as-is first. Sites like Dawson Precision have calculators for the POI. I have a number of their sights and have always been happy, well, except for the times when I filed too much when fitting. :(
It's just 1 of those things that if I really need to do 1 hand racking malfunction clearing. I've only had to do it once for a skill builder since 2016. But if MARSOC/MEU doesn't need it, then I guess I don't either. Then the scene from Blackhawk down comes into my mind where Shughart/Gordon made their last stand. The shooting 1911 1 handed due his other arm not working. Would I be in this situation, almost a 0 % chance, but you never know.
Also I noticed the X300 switches are way tighter than the TLR-1 one. Like 1 handed manipulation on and off take more effort.
After dry firing more and getting to know her, I can see how the advancement in tech has changed handguns. Like disassembly for a striker fire or even other handguns have been much easier. Same concepts, but different. IMO field stripping a VP9, CZP10C are much easier and less parts.
Then the remembering to disengage the safety. What I do like about the gun are the safety features. The striker fire that we have all have bladed triggers. Which is why I'm not a fan of the P320s (non safety lever). The 1911 has the thumb and the grip safety. The thumb can be accidentally disengaged/forgotten, but the grip one is also there.
I apologize if what I'm posting is nooby stuff, but this is my first 1911 and I'm learning all the differences so bear with me.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 02, 2022, 09:26:56 AM
but on your belt or along your waist isn't the easiest, especially if you have love handles.
Cardio bro. :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on May 02, 2022, 09:52:26 AM
It's just 1 of those things that if I really need to do 1 hand racking malfunction clearing. I've only had to do it once for a skill builder since 2016. 1) But if MARSOC/MEU doesn't need it, then I guess I don't either. Then the scene from Blackhawk down comes into my mind where Shughart/Gordon made their last stand. The shooting 1911 1 handed due his other arm not working. Would I be in this situation, almost a 0 % chance, but you never know.1) They have a different context of need(s), including what backup/redundancy they have or may be available to them.
2) Also I noticed the X300 switches are way tighter than the TLR-1 one. Like 1 handed manipulation on and off take more effort.
After dry firing more and getting to know her, I can see how the advancement in tech has changed handguns. Like disassembly for a striker fire or even other handguns have been much easier. Same concepts, but different. IMO field stripping a VP9, CZP10C are much easier and less parts.
Then the remembering to disengage the safety. What I do like about the gun are the safety features. The striker fire that we have all have bladed triggers. Which is why I'm not a fan of the P320s (non safety lever). 3) The 1911 has the thumb and the grip safety. The thumb can be accidentally disengaged/forgotten, but the grip one is also there.
I apologize if what I'm posting is nooby stuff, but this is my first 1911 and I'm learning all the differences so bear with me.
2) I have switch for the X300 that goes on the grip if you want to try. I tried it and don't like it, so it's been in my extra parts bin.
3) Train, train, train (or) test, test, test. Sight, safety, trigger. . .
Post by: drck1000 on May 02, 2022, 09:53:18 AM
Cardio bro. :rofl:O0
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 02, 2022, 09:59:03 AM
1) They have a different context of need(s), including what backup/redundancy they have or may be available to them.
2) I have switch for the X300 that goes on the grip if you want to try. I tried it and don't like it, so it's been in my extra parts bin.
3) Train, train, train (or) test, test, test. Sight, safety, trigger. . .
Thanks for the offer. I'm gonna run what I got for now b4 deciding on any changes. Maybe I just gotta break in the light switch too. So train, train, train. Which is why I like my G-Code RTI attachment clips. I can keep the same drop leg set up and just switch guns in seconds if need. I also just ordered the Gcode clips for the molle loops for the mag pouch. The MALICE ones I had are a PITA to remove. Like I need to use my knife to lift the tab. G-Code's are much more expensive, but way easier. IMO the MALICE molle clips are not designed to be taken off often. More like set it and forget it. So I moved those to my side plate holders on my plate carrier.
The good think about training often is I kind of know what I need off the bat. Now it's just about fine tuning or live practice to confirm I'm g2g. Which is why I won't have 5 holsters for the 1911. Buy once, cry once. I really didn't need the WML, but I rather buy it now vs. months or years later and need a new holster. And due to the weight, there is no way I'm going to CCW this gun. Maybe open carry if we win Young vs. Hawaii after the SCOTUS NY ruling. But since I got the RTI clip, I can just get a non-drop leg holster for the hip and switch between the VP9 and 1911 if I feel like it. So I planned ahead for this too.
Post by: drck1000 on May 02, 2022, 11:51:27 AM
Thanks for the offer. I'm gonna run what I got for now b4 deciding on any changes. Maybe I just gotta break in the light switch too. So train, train, train. Which is why I like my G-Code RTI attachment clips. I can keep the same drop leg set up and just switch guns in seconds if need. I also just ordered the Gcode clips for the molle loops for the mag pouch. The MALICE ones I had are a PITA to remove. Like I need to use my knife to lift the tab. G-Code's are much more expensive, but way easier. IMO the MALICE molle clips are not designed to be taken off often. More like set it and forget it. So I moved those to my side plate holders on my plate carrier.There are also variations on the malice clips. Some work well for certain things, and not so well on some others. At least in my experience. I've had to "supplement" in a few cases. I bought different clips to try to find a solution without the supplement, but never got around to trying, so stuck with the fix.
The good think about training often is I kind of know what I need off the bat. Now it's just about fine tuning or live practice to confirm I'm g2g. Which is why I won't have 5 holsters for the 1911. Buy once, cry once. I really didn't need the WML, but I rather buy it now vs. months or years later and need a new holster. And due to the weight, there is no way I'm going to CCW this gun. Maybe open carry if we win Young vs. Hawaii after the SCOTUS NY ruling. But since I got the RTI clip, I can just get a non-drop leg holster for the hip and switch between the VP9 and 1911 if I feel like it. So I planned ahead for this too.
I used to use a lot of GCode stuff. Still think it's good stuff, have gone to different system. LMK if you want to check out my old GCode stuff. I have been meaning to list my HSGI and CGode belt setup that I haven't used in a lonnnnnngggggg time.
Looking forward to seeing/reading your thoughts as you start shooting your 1911. Then when you start the "Mrs. CMO's First 1911" thread. . . ;D :geekdanc: :worship:
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 02, 2022, 12:09:29 PM
There are also variations on the malice clips. Some work well for certain things, and not so well on some others. At least in my experience. I've had to "supplement" in a few cases. I bought different clips to try to find a solution without the supplement, but never got around to trying, so stuck with the fix.
I used to use a lot of GCode stuff. Still think it's good stuff, have gone to different system. LMK if you want to check out my old GCode stuff. I have been meaning to list my HSGI and CGode belt setup that I haven't used in a lonnnnnngggggg time.
Looking forward to seeing/reading your thoughts as you start shooting your 1911. Then when you start the "Mrs. CMO's First 1911" thread. . . ;D :geekdanc: :worship:
Im a G-Code whore too. What I didn't like about the MALICE clips was that either way installed, it digs into my stomach or leg. Since they are the short ones, my side plate holders cover the clip entirely. So there should be no digging. I don't think I would have this issue with the G-code ones.They are in my mailbox right now. The crappy part is that Amazon doesn't sell them, so I had to pay $16 for the clips and $11 for shipping. Amazon does have a knock off version though.
Mrs. CMo is actually looking at a fudd shotty right now. Stoeger Coach Gun. Total novelty gun.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 02, 2022, 12:21:31 PM
The only issue that's bugging me is 1 side on the side plate carrier will be coyote, the other side is black. So no matchy matchy.
Post by: WTF?Shane on May 02, 2022, 12:31:59 PM
Also, not sure if mentioned before, but after reload and getting your support hand grip, use the support hand thumb to press the slide release.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 02, 2022, 12:49:17 PM
I haven't had my hands on a Colt railed 1911, but I do know that their pic rail sits a lot lower than others. Have you considered changing your technique? Maybe swiping up with the trigger finger to activate the light (mainly for one handed practicing) or using the support hand thumb to rotate the switch.
Also, not sure if mentioned before, but after reload and getting your support hand grip, use the support hand thumb to press the slide release.
My index finger isn't long enough for 1 handed manipulation of the WML . Compared to the TLR-1, since it's much easier to move, the tip of my index can activate it. Gotta use the middle finger. 2 handed operation is no problem for the lights. I use my support hand thumb since it's already near by on the frame. Prior to the Febs handgun HDF skill builder, I never thought twice about turning the light on with 1 hand, until it was mentioned I should try. Then the light bulb came on, what if I'm holding something in my other hand and need my WML to be activated.
For the reloading, I like to sling shot/power stroke anyways, but I will practice both ways to release the slide. I do know that my strong side thumb cannot reach the slide release (Japanese genes), so I will use the support side thumb to release it. 1 should be proficient in all aspects of their firearm.
The problem why the SIG Scorpion doesn't fit in the normal 1911 holster, besides being railed, the top of the slide is more square-ish instead of rounded like a traditional 1911.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 02, 2022, 03:19:04 PM
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Post by: macsak on May 02, 2022, 03:25:49 PM
Yup, gcode clips are much better. Nothing is protruding out.
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that's what she said...
Post by: aieahound on May 02, 2022, 03:43:01 PM
But my clips don’t protrude too far.
I do have the Gcode though…
At least that’s what she said.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 02, 2022, 03:53:16 PM
My barrel’s at least 5+ inches.Asian size clips
But my clips don’t protrude too far.
I do have the Gcode though…
At least that’s what she said.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on May 02, 2022, 04:13:11 PM
that's what she said...Heads
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Post by: changemyoil66 on May 03, 2022, 09:38:46 AM
So now my thumb is more on the webbing of my support hand and touching against the side of the safety. Pretty much same grip as I do for my VP9.
And while holstering, I can def feel the difference in the weight of a poly gun and an all metal gun. I remember talking to a friend who's HPD and when they had the S&W 5906 (all metal) and went to Glocks, the weight difference on their belts were noticeable.
Post by: drck1000 on May 03, 2022, 01:16:20 PM
My index finger isn't long enough for 1 handed manipulation of the WML . Compared to the TLR-1, since it's much easier to move, the tip of my index can activate it. Gotta use the middle finger. 2 handed operation is no problem for the lights. I use my support hand thumb since it's already near by on the frame. Prior to the Febs handgun HDF skill builder, I never thought twice about turning the light on with 1 hand, until it was mentioned I should try. Then the light bulb came on, what if I'm holding something in my other hand and need my WML to be activated.What's wrong with that? You should be used to it. . . ;D
For the reloading, I like to sling shot/power stroke anyways, but I will practice both ways to release the slide. I do know that my strong side thumb cannot reach the slide release (Japanese genes), so I will use the support side thumb to release it. 1 should be proficient in all aspects of their firearm.
The problem why the SIG Scorpion doesn't fit in the normal 1911 holster, besides being railed, the top of the slide is more square-ish instead of rounded like a traditional 1911.
Been doing more dry firing and I do like the feel of her. So question, how much is your thumb on the safety when shooting? I had my entire thumb on it, but can see when the slide will recoil, that may be an issue. My thumb is adding pressure to the slide, which may slow it down from moving and cause a jam. And cause a cut due to the edge on the bottom of the slide when it moves at high speed.When shooting 1911 and CZ Shadow, my shooting hand thumb rides on the safety. The safeties on my 1911 are the extended ones and forms a ramp forms a ramp for my shooting hand thumbs rides fully on, and helps with recoil mitigation. Look up some videos from Ken Hackathorn.
So now my thumb is more on the webbing of my support hand and touching against the side of the safety. Pretty much same grip as I do for my VP9.
And while holstering, I can def feel the difference in the weight of a poly gun and an all metal gun. I remember talking to a friend who's HPD and when they had the S&W 5906 (all metal) and went to Glocks, the weight difference on their belts were noticeable.
You're getting slide bite from the 1911 slide?
I've seen folks that have their shooting hand thumb ride on the outside of the support hand thumb, but mostly because their firing hand thumb rests on the slide catch/release. Can prevent slide from locking back after last round. I haven't noticed that, but I've seen folks do it with Glocks, Sig metal framed handguns, etc.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 03, 2022, 01:23:19 PM
You're getting slide bite from the 1911 slide?
I've seen folks that have their shooting hand thumb ride on the outside of the support hand thumb, but mostly because their firing hand thumb rests on the slide catch/release. Can prevent slide from locking back after last round. I haven't noticed that, but I've seen folks do it with Glocks, Sig metal framed handguns, etc.
No slide bite yet, but I can see this happening when I ride the thumb safety as the slide will be moving much faster than what I can accomplish by just racking it.. And not as bad as the Glock bite though.
My VP9, I used to have the riding the slide release problem. So now I make sure my thumb is on the webbing of my support hand.
Post by: Heavies on May 03, 2022, 01:35:22 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 03, 2022, 01:39:12 PM
Ride the safety. It’s not going to bite. And it reminds you to swipe the safety off while shooting.
If it does, you gotta be there with bandaid and TQ. :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on May 03, 2022, 01:46:50 PM
No slide bite yet, but I can see this happening when I ride the thumb safety as the slide will be moving much faster than what I can accomplish by just racking it.. And not as bad as the Glock bite though.Just shoot the darn thing. . .
My VP9, I used to have the riding the slide release problem. So now I make sure my thumb is on the webbing of my support hand.
The gun has the beavertail, so should be just fine.
Ride the safety. It’s not going to bite. And it reminds you to swipe the safety off while shooting.Maybe he wants "her" to bite him. . . ;D
Post by: WTF?Shane on May 03, 2022, 11:04:58 PM
Just shoot the darn thing. . .
Yup
Post by: macsak on May 05, 2022, 11:28:11 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 05, 2022, 12:11:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVlvpvgrZVY
Debating to watch right now. Still got 10 more days until I can shoot for the 1st time (HRA open shoot). Idle hands and like the others stated, just get out and shoot.
Post by: drck1000 on May 05, 2022, 12:22:22 PM
Debating to watch right now. Still got 10 more days until I can shoot for the 1st time (HRA open shoot). Idle hands and like the others stated, just get out and shoot.It's not your "idle hands" that I believe are the issue. . . ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 05, 2022, 12:32:31 PM
It's not your "idle hands" that I believe are the issue. . . ;D
No focus among other stuff.
Post by: oldfart on May 05, 2022, 12:37:37 PM
Problem with new guns is sometimes the internals aren't as well polished as they could be.
It depends on the person who did the final assembly.
Even high-cost big-name guns need a little more tweaking sometimes.
I don't recommend vetting a new pistol at the open shoot.
Too much going on to focus on learning the gun or analyze problems.
Too many people offering opinions.
Number your magazines.
IMHO
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 15, 2022, 08:38:03 PM
230gr for all, Federal, Fiocchi, Blazer, PMC Bronze and 20rds Federal HST. From wilson 10rders. Also ran a few 7rd Colt mags and no issues.
I did notice more carbon than the vp9 (9mm). Idk if cause its a tan gun or thats how 45acp is. Had carbon soot on my fingers also. Never had that with the vp9. The most i shot 9mm in 1 sitting was about 250ish. See below pics.
Also POA/POI seemed low, compared to the vp9 that ive only been shooting for 6 years now. At 15 yards, was like 5 inches low. Its prob the indian cause on a few that i 4got to take the safety off, the flinch was huge. Aiming with the front post higher (see pic below and far right example) seemed to help. I need to figure this out, mental block problem. For a 10r mag, like 3 were dead center and almost same hole and the other 7 were 5 inches low. Which leads me to believe its the indian.
The biggest getting used to is the safety. No problems engaging it when not shooting, its the forgetting to take it off when ready to shoot or taking it off when cocked and locked with no mag inserted. So i damn near bust my wrist trying to rack the slide after inserting a mag (u must disengage safety to rack).
Finger placement on the trigger seems more forgiving. With the vp9, too much finger and i yank the shot noticably.
Overall a fun gun that i will be shooting much more. Got choke ammo still. Next handgun skill builder, i will be using her instead of the vp9.
Thanks to all who followed this and helped along the way.
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Post by: stangzilla on May 16, 2022, 07:20:36 AM
the POI being low is probably due to a flinch, or rather you are wired to shoot 9mm out of your VP9
this a guess on my part. but I believe you have muscle memory tuned to your VP9 and 9mm after shooting tens of thousands of rounds with this combo. the grip angle is different, the 45acp is different, the weight of the gun is different
my first 1911 I was shooting way low at 25 yards. maybe 6-8 inches consistently. I was certain that the front sight was too tall making me shoot low. threw on a laser bore sighter and just pointed it at the wall, in a safe direction of course, as I pulled the trigger I could see the laser move low. then I knew it wasn't the front sight that was causing the low POI, it was me and my flinch
I'm not saying this is what you are doing, but maybe. different gun, different ammo, different grip angle
that's my guess :shaka:
Post by: drck1000 on May 16, 2022, 07:24:03 AM
Shot the long awaited unicorn. About 320rds in 1 1/4 hours. She chewed everything, zero jams.Sight, safety, trigger. Not only for 1911, but very much applies for 1911s.
230gr for all, Federal, Fiocchi, Blazer, PMC Bronze and 20rds Federal HST. From wilson 10rders. Also ran a few 7rd Colt mags and no issues.
I did notice more carbon than the vp9 (9mm). Idk if cause its a tan gun or thats how 45acp is. Had carbon soot on my fingers also. Never had that with the vp9. The most i shot 9mm in 1 sitting was about 250ish. See below pics.
Also POA/POI seemed low, compared to the vp9 that ive only been shooting for 6 years now. At 15 yards, was like 5 inches low. Its prob the indian cause on a few that i 4got to take the safety off, the flinch was huge. Aiming with the front post higher (see pic below and far right example) seemed to help. I need to figure this out, mental block problem. For a 10r mag, like 3 were dead center and almost same hole and the other 7 were 5 inches low. Which leads me to believe its the indian.
The biggest getting used to is the safety. No problems engaging it when not shooting, its the forgetting to take it off when ready to shoot or taking it off when cocked and locked with no mag inserted. So i damn near bust my wrist trying to rack the slide after inserting a mag (u must disengage safety to rack).
Finger placement on the trigger seems more forgiving. With the vp9, too much finger and i yank the shot noticably.
Overall a fun gun that i will be shooting much more. Got choke ammo still. Next handgun skill builder, i will be using her instead of the vp9.
Thanks to all who followed this and helped along the way.
Mrs.cmo tried it and wasnt a fan. She does like our friends shadow 2 she shot today.
Why do you have your gun cocked (assume chamber empty) with safety on? ??? It will be just fine with chamber empty and hammer down.
One thing to also notice is the different trigger mechanisms. Lever/pivot vs straight back. The low POI is a headscratcher though.
Good that you're shooting it, and shooting it quite a lot and not babying it. Good that it fed the JHP well, and the variety of FMJ you shot.
Post by: drck1000 on May 16, 2022, 07:31:09 AM
I think the more carbon is due to the tan/FDE color. its just more noticeable with the lighter color of the gun"Inconceivable!"
the POI being low is probably due to a flinch, or rather you are wired to shoot 9mm out of your VP9
this a guess on my part. but I believe you have muscle memory tuned to your VP9 and 9mm after shooting tens of thousands of rounds with this combo. the grip angle is different, the 45acp is different, the weight of the gun is different
my first 1911 I was shooting way low at 25 yards. maybe 6-8 inches consistently. I was certain that the front sight was too tall making me shoot low. threw on a laser bore sighter and just pointed it at the wall, in a safe direction of course, as I pulled the trigger I could see the laser move low. then I knew it wasn't the front sight that was causing the low POI, it was me and my flinch
I'm not saying this is what you are doing, but maybe. different gun, different ammo, different grip angle
that's my guess :shaka:
But seriously, change in triggers, particularly different configuration or nicer triggers can take time to adjust to. It is masking of getting used to? Probably both. I just know that I have to be careful when shooting say a stock Glock 17 and then my CZ Shadow 2, and vice versa.
Post by: stangzilla on May 16, 2022, 08:05:38 AM
when shooting a 1911, I find myself more relaxed in the right shoulder. and this works better for me and not shooting low. its like my shoulder to hands are a little different shooting 1911 vs glock-like pistol. may be due the different grip angle
R arm is the trigger hand for me
:edit:
better description is not so much pushing more with a polymer handguns, but with the different grip angle, my shoulder slightly comes up just a bit vs when shooting a 1911
1911 grip feels more natural to me, so I feel more relaxed shooting them
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 16, 2022, 08:55:19 AM
Why do you have your gun cocked (assume chamber empty) with safety on? ??? It will be just fine with chamber empty and hammer down.
One thing to also notice is the different trigger mechanisms. Lever/pivot vs straight back. The low POI is a headscratcher though.
Good that you're shooting it, and shooting it quite a lot and not babying it. Good that it fed the JHP well, and the variety of FMJ you shot.
When cocked and locked while holstered and no mag in, the hood works better. With hammer down, its more difficult to disengage the hood. The foreskin gets stuck on the back of the hammer.
I think I will have my friend at the next HDF open shoot shoot it because he is a way better shooter than I am and see if he has the low issue. This would def help confirm that it's me.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 16, 2022, 08:56:21 AM
the POI being low is probably due to a flinch, or rather you are wired to shoot 9mm out of your VP9
this a guess on my part. but I believe you have muscle memory tuned to your VP9 and 9mm after shooting tens of thousands of rounds with this combo. the grip angle is different, the 45acp is different, the weight of the gun is different
my first 1911 I was shooting way low at 25 yards. maybe 6-8 inches consistently. I was certain that the front sight was too tall making me shoot low. threw on a laser bore sighter and just pointed it at the wall, in a safe direction of course, as I pulled the trigger I could see the laser move low. then I knew it wasn't the front sight that was causing the low POI, it was me and my flinch
I'm not saying this is what you are doing, but maybe. different gun, different ammo, different grip angle
that's my guess :shaka:
My problem is my dry fire is on point. I line up my signts with the lines on the wall and they don't move. But when out at the range, all jam up.
Post by: stangzilla on May 16, 2022, 09:05:10 AM
My problem is my dry fire is on point. I line up my signts with the lines on the wall and they don't move. But when out at the range, all jam up.
then maybe you're not flinching
Post by: drck1000 on May 16, 2022, 09:14:31 AM
then maybe you're not flinching"expertly anticipating" 8)
Post by: Teichi on May 16, 2022, 01:22:46 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 16, 2022, 01:55:49 PM
My anti-flinch drill. Load 5 magazines with 4 rounds ball and 1 dummy in various sequence. Shuffle and place under towel on bench. Load without looking to see where the dummy is in the magazine. Fire until dummies is discovered in the sequence. Observe what happens and try to correct on the next magazine. Repeat for 25 years to get desired 10 ring count.
Today will be day 0 of 9,125.
Post by: aieahound on May 16, 2022, 05:28:18 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 16, 2022, 07:53:48 PM
Gonna do a little more mag dumps at the next HDF open shoot .
Next test might be how long can shoot b4 cleaning. Just oil and see if and how often jams occur.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on May 17, 2022, 12:45:48 PM
While cleaning, I feels like working on a classic muscle car (a work of art). Compared to when cleaning the VP9 or like gun, it's like working on a Honda Civic SI.
Post by: drck1000 on May 18, 2022, 03:37:03 PM
Cleaned her for the 1st time. It does take longer than striker fire, but not much. Just gotta get used to disasembly/assembly. Had to pause and visit YT.You should to an O/U for rounds until first time it chokes.
Gonna do a little more mag dumps at the next HDF open shoot .
Next test might be how long can shoot b4 cleaning. Just oil and see if and how often jams occur.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on May 18, 2022, 06:30:46 PM
You should to an O/U for rounds until first time it chokes.321 for the jinx.
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Post by: oldfart on May 19, 2022, 06:35:43 AM
Cleaned her for the 1st time. It does take longer than striker fire, but not much. Just gotta get used to disasembly/assembly. Had to pause and visit YT.....
Gonna do a little more mag dumps at the next HDF open shoot .
Next test might be how long can shoot b4 cleaning. Just oil and see if and how often jams occur.
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How do you know that your gun identifies as a female? :rofl:
Post by: DocMercy on May 19, 2022, 08:35:09 AM
Gonna do a little more mag dumps at the next HDF open shoot .
Usually the distances are not too challenging, maybe 7 or 15 yds at most? What is the CEP you are achieving at these distances? CEP is based on a 50% probability circle (or ellipse) about the bullseye center, not the MOA grouping around a floating mean.
One of the RSO's at KHSC told me that there is a bay on the left of the pistol range where you can set up a Ransom Rest to check out the inherent accuracy of your handgun at 25 - 50 yds. The RR has to be special ordered with a grip holder for your 1911. You'll need to contact the owner's wife in Arizona to order the device. Buying one of these means you are heading down a rabbit hole which will get deeper and deeper. Every week you'll be practicing until you bond with the new handgun, trying out new ammo, sights, grips, etc. You may even become a wind reader. :wave:
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 19, 2022, 08:58:28 AM
Usually the distances are not too challenging, maybe 7 or 15 yds at most? What is the CEP you are achieving at these distances? CEP is based on a 50% probability circle (or ellipse) about the bullseye center, not the MOA grouping around a floating mean.
One of the RSO's at KHSC told me that there is a bay on the left of the pistol range where you can set up a Ransom Rest to check out the inherent accuracy of your handgun at 25 - 50 yds. The RR has to be special ordered with a grip holder for your 1911. You'll need to contact the owner's wife in Arizona to order the device. Buying one of these means you are heading down a rabbit hole which will get deeper and deeper. Every week you'll be practicing until you bond with the new handgun, trying out new ammo, sights, grips, etc. You may even become a wind reader. :wave:
At 15 yards with my VP9, I can hit avocado grouping at my POA/POI. This is for slow to moderate speed. So I expected the M45 to do the same or close, I would have been happy with grapefruit size grouping. My low shots were about small jabone grouping. But the POA/POI is what bothered me more. Had it been 5 inches higher and small jabone grouping, I would have accepted that more. At least my low shots are some what consistent.
At 5 yards and the VP9, I'm tangerine grouping with moderate speed. For the M45, I was low about 2-3 inches of POA but tangerine grouping.
So the POA/POI is my issue right now. More training is needed.
At 25 with the VP9, I can hit an index card with 2-3 of 5 shots. The shots off card are to the left of it like 1-3 inches. With a G19, 5 of 5 are on the index card. This is slow fire only.
I do not plan on buying a holder or like device.
Post by: oldfart on May 19, 2022, 09:21:13 AM
At 15 yards with my VP9, I can hit avocado grouping at my POA/POI. This is for slow to moderate speed. So I expected the M45 to do the same or close, I would have been happy with grapefruit size grouping. My low shots were about small jabone grouping. But the POA/POI is what bothered me more. Had it been 5 inches higher and small jabone grouping, I would have accepted that more. At least my low shots are some what consistent.
At 5 yards and the VP9, I'm tangerine grouping with moderate speed. For the M45, I was low about 2-3 inches of POA but tangerine grouping.
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fruit lives matter
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 19, 2022, 09:26:08 AM
At 15 yards with my VP9, I can hit avocado grouping at my POA/POI. This is for slow to moderate speed. So I expected the M45 to do the same or close, I would have been happy with grapefruit size grouping. My low shots were about small jabone grouping. But the POA/POI is what bothered me more. Had it been 5 inches higher and small jabone grouping, I would have accepted that more. At least my low shots are some what consistent.
At 5 yards and the VP9, I'm tangerine grouping with moderate speed. For the M45, I was low about 2-3 inches of POA but tangerine grouping.
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fruit lives matter
Avocado a fruit or veggie? It's like tomato.
Post by: oldfart on May 19, 2022, 09:46:59 AM
Avocado a fruit or veggie? It's like tomato.============
It is a pretty queer fruit.....
am I allowed to say that in public?
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 19, 2022, 11:59:00 AM
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It is a pretty queer fruit.....
am I allowed to say that in public?
You cannot just use 1, u need to ackowledge all so LGTMGBAVADHFAH HCLNALKHKA"PEFJ"PEAFH"ADNVV(Batman symbol)AADVKNDAHLCHSANASC356545686!(*#^(^!@(!$@!$*^!)
Post by: aieahound on May 19, 2022, 04:46:25 PM
:wacko: :rofl:
Post by: macsak on May 19, 2022, 04:49:52 PM
How did the direction get here, based on an avocado sized grouping?
:wacko: :rofl:
cmo just likes to talk about his "jabone"...
Post by: WTF?Shane on May 19, 2022, 05:08:25 PM
Usually the distances are not too challenging, maybe 7 or 15 yds at most? What is the CEP you are achieving at these distances? CEP is based on a 50% probability circle (or ellipse) about the bullseye center, not the MOA grouping around a floating mean.
One of the RSO's at KHSC told me that there is a bay on the left of the pistol range where you can set up a Ransom Rest to check out the inherent accuracy of your handgun at 25 - 50 yds. The RR has to be special ordered with a grip holder for your 1911. You'll need to contact the owner's wife in Arizona to order the device. Buying one of these means you are heading down a rabbit hole which will get deeper and deeper. Every week you'll be practicing until you bond with the new handgun, trying out new ammo, sights, grips, etc. You may even become a wind reader. :wave:
OP mentions mag dumps, so it sounds like the main goal is function testing.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 19, 2022, 05:52:55 PM
OP mentions mag dumps, so it sounds like the main goal is function testing.^^^this with a little moderate fire accuracy. Too much caffeine for slow fire.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on May 19, 2022, 05:53:04 PM
cmo just likes to talk about his "jabone"...Heads
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Post by: k3k0a808 on May 19, 2022, 09:43:43 PM
The quality of the 1911 is largely a function of price. The Springfield Professional 1911 that the FBI and HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) issue has a civilian MSRP of $3,363.00, But the tolerances on it are so tight, it takes some breaking-in just to be able to rack the slide easily!
My 1911 is the Sig Nightmare. I chose it because it takes the standard 1911 design and improves some of the ergonomics. Plus, the black and silver colors just appeal to me. Comes with an 8rd mag and 7rd mag. I also got a free soft Sig pistol case at the time. I added a few Wilson Combat Elite 8rd mags.
(https://i.imgur.com/Q7Emu1N.jpg)
https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/custom-handguns/1911-professional-45-acp-handgun
Hickok45 goes into great detail on the specs, close tolerances and accuracy of the Springfield Professional. If $1200 is your budget, then get the most gun with the best reviews you can in that price range.
If this is for range shooting, look at one with adjustable sights. You should probably try out several 1911s from other owners or rent them at a range if they have. So many out there, and your preferences may not be similar to others.
https://youtu.be/oH-K3rn_VRg
I have the Nightmare carry, me and my wife love it. (Its her favorite handgun out of the collection)
Post by: aletheuo137 on May 20, 2022, 01:14:09 PM
At 15 yards with my VP9, I can hit avocado grouping at my POA/POI. This is for slow to moderate speed. So I expected the M45 to do the same or close, I would have been happy with grapefruit size grouping. My low shots were about small jabone grouping. But the POA/POI is what bothered me more. Had it been 5 inches higher and small jabone grouping, I would have accepted that more. At least my low shots are some what consistent.Must be having fruit salad or smoothie at the time!
At 5 yards and the VP9, I'm tangerine grouping with moderate speed. For the M45, I was low about 2-3 inches of POA but tangerine grouping.
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Post by: drck1000 on May 21, 2022, 01:32:43 PM
At 15 yards with my VP9, I can hit avocado grouping at my POA/POI. This is for slow to moderate speed. So I expected the M45 to do the same or close, I would have been happy with grapefruit size grouping. My low shots were about small jabone grouping. But the POA/POI is what bothered me more. Had it been 5 inches higher and small jabone grouping, I would have accepted that more. At least my low shots are some what consistent.What size "index card?" 8.5" x 11"? ;D
At 5 yards and the VP9, I'm tangerine grouping with moderate speed. For the M45, I was low about 2-3 inches of POA but tangerine grouping.
So the POA/POI is my issue right now. More training is needed.
At 25 with the VP9, I can hit an index card with 2-3 of 5 shots. The shots off card are to the left of it like 1-3 inches. With a G19, 5 of 5 are on the index card. This is slow fire only.
I do not plan on buying a holder or like device.
Assuming the M45 is gear toward combat use and has tolerances associated with that. What does the Colt description or other reviews mention about stuff like bushing or barrel/slide fitting? Overall, I would think the 1911 of the $1k-ish MSRP range would be capable of pretty decent groupings. But maybe not the accuracy expected of custom 1911s of that $2k+ range with tighter fitting and/or tolerances.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 21, 2022, 07:48:21 PM
What size "index card?" 8.5" x 11"? ;DMAC has a vid at 7yards and grouping was golfball at moderate fire.
Assuming the M45 is gear toward combat use and has tolerances associated with that. What does the Colt description or other reviews mention about stuff like bushing or barrel/slide fitting? Overall, I would think the 1911 of the $1k-ish MSRP range would be capable of pretty decent groupings. But maybe not the accuracy expected of custom 1911s of that $2k+ range with tighter fitting and/or tolerances.
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Post by: Bushido on May 21, 2022, 09:04:56 PM
Shot the long awaited unicorn. About 320rds in 1 1/4 hours. She chewed everything, zero jams.
230gr for all, Federal, Fiocchi, Blazer, PMC Bronze and 20rds Federal HST. From wilson 10rders. Also ran a few 7rd Colt mags and no issues.
I did notice more carbon than the vp9 (9mm). Idk if cause its a tan gun or thats how 45acp is. Had carbon soot on my fingers also. Never had that with the vp9. The most i shot 9mm in 1 sitting was about 250ish. See below pics.
Also POA/POI seemed low, compared to the vp9 that ive only been shooting for 6 years now. At 15 yards, was like 5 inches low. Its prob the indian cause on a few that i 4got to take the safety off, the flinch was huge. Aiming with the front post higher (see pic below and far right example) seemed to help. I need to figure this out, mental block problem. For a 10r mag, like 3 were dead center and almost same hole and the other 7 were 5 inches low. Which leads me to believe its the indian.
The biggest getting used to is the safety. No problems engaging it when not shooting, its the forgetting to take it off when ready to shoot or taking it off when cocked and locked with no mag inserted. So i damn near bust my wrist trying to rack the slide after inserting a mag (u must disengage safety to rack).
Finger placement on the trigger seems more forgiving. With the vp9, too much finger and i yank the shot noticably.
Overall a fun gun that i will be shooting much more. Got choke ammo still. Next handgun skill builder, i will be using her instead of the vp9.
Thanks to all who followed this and helped along the way.
Mrs.cmo tried it and wasnt a fan. She does like our friends shadow 2 she shot today.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220516/87fceef76ac2f309e8dbf2cce447f947.jpg)
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I got to give it a test drive. It shoots like expected.... damn good like a 1911 should. :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
Post by: DocMercy on May 26, 2022, 02:22:29 PM
I ordered 1 and dropped a down payment for the M45A1 back in September. I was told 8-10 week ETA.
Was this through a local dealer in Honolulu? The sellers on Gunbroker are asking for outrageous prices, hovering around $3K for these models. The M45A1 Marine (sku O1070M45) is listed for $1699 on the Colt website.
Have you found any difference in the balance with a 7 rd vs. 10 rd magazine? I have universal tools for working on Airsoft 1911's, but would I need an expensive bushing wrench to work on the real deal high end 1911's?
Post by: ren on May 26, 2022, 03:02:19 PM
Post by: drck1000 on May 27, 2022, 09:23:10 AM
Or one can always try their airsoft tools. . . seems legit
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 27, 2022, 09:54:07 AM
Was this through a local dealer in Honolulu? The sellers on Gunbroker are asking for outrageous prices, hovering around $3K for these models. The M45A1 Marine (sku O1070M45) is listed for $1699 on the Colt website.
Have you found any difference in the balance with a 7 rd vs. 10 rd magazine? I have universal tools for working on Airsoft 1911's, but would I need an expensive bushing wrench to work on the real deal high end 1911's?
Yes. The LGS bid on 1 for me, but the seller didn't get his FFL, so he lost the bid after a week. So when I rebid myself, I had to pay $100 more. The MSRP on websites are $1500 ish, but Colt hasn't made the guns in over a year, so all sites are "out of stock". So the only option right now is the GB market from people who have it prior to them not making them. Colt hasn't really made 1911's for about a year. LGS here and in Vegas have no Colt 1911's. They're focusing on their revolver market and AR. About 3 weeks ago, Spartan Arms in Vegas had 1 Colt 1911 though.
Other 1911's that I've seen in the shelf here and in Vegas are S&W, RIA, Dan Wesson, just to name a few. So other companies are still making them on a mass scale, just not Colt.
So the going rate for a M45 on GB is $2700. If there's a bid over $3K, walk away.
I don't feel a balance difference between the mags. I also cannot tell the weight diff with a loaded and unloaded VP9 (Taken reference). The gun itself is noticeably heavier than the poly VP9 that I've been shooting for the past 6 years. The biggest notice is while holstered. The M45 moves around more than the lighter VP9.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 27, 2022, 09:55:38 AM
a bushing wrench is needed if the gun was fitted
Luckily no wrench is needed. I'm thinking this was on purpose because it was a 1911 designed to fight with (Marines) so to not be able to clean it in the field is a huge problem. Assume no wrench is available or that's more ounces to have to carry. Ounces = pounds.
Post by: drck1000 on May 27, 2022, 10:03:40 AM
SNIP
I plan on using the 1911 for skill builders/classes. So she won't be a safe queen. So spending $1200 or so is what I'm willing to spend and not have an issue with it being a tool. If I spend say $3k, then I won't want to get her dirty or scratched up.
SNIP$200-300 for ammo. :geekdanc:
So the going rate for a M45 on GB is $2700. If there's a bid over $3K, walk away.
I bet that budget is long gone, eh?
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 27, 2022, 10:10:53 AM
$200-300 for ammo. :geekdanc:
I bet that budget is long gone, eh?
That was my budget, but a few months after that post, my income went up. So the budget changed. I still like the Scorpion, but buy once cry once.I learned this the hard way (with holsters). Holsters are cheaper, but still a good starting point to learn from. Which is also why I went with X300 WML. I'm pretty sure the TRL-1 would have fit in the holster. Next time I clean, I might try cause the VP9 has a TLR-1 on it.
Who knows what the next 1911 might be (Scorpion or Emessary). But pistol with RDS is next draft choice.
SIG has also stopped making the Scorpions on a mass level. So GB is the route. MSRP is about $1k-$1200. But GB rate is about $1500 to $1800. In Vegas get choke various SIG's, just no 1911 SIGs.
Post by: drck1000 on May 27, 2022, 10:18:43 AM
That was my budget, but a few months after that post, my income went up. So the budget changed. I still like the Scorpion, but buy once cry once.I learned this the hard way (with holsters). Holsters are cheaper, but still a good starting point to learn from. Which is also why I went with X300 WML. I'm pretty sure the TRL-1 would have fit in the holster. Next time I clean, I might try cause the VP9 has a TLR-1 on it.I was just mostly teasing you, but also "you know what you know", at least at that time.
Who knows what the next 1911 might be (Scorpion or Emessary). But pistol with RDS is next draft choice.
SIG has also stopped making the Scorpions on a mass level. So GB is the route. MSRP is about $1k-$1200. But GB rate is about $1500 to $1800. In Vegas get choke various SIG's, just no 1911 SIGs.
I am similar mindset. Might as well as get what you want, assuming you can afford without much hardship. Otherwise, you would be left wondering, wanting, etc. Life is short. Enjoy it!
Now get a Sig MCX :geekdanc:
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 27, 2022, 11:15:22 AM
I was just mostly teasing you, but also "you know what you know", at least at that time.
I am similar mindset. Might as well as get what you want, assuming you can afford without much hardship. Otherwise, you would be left wondering, wanting, etc. Life is short. Enjoy it!
Now get a Sig MCX :geekdanc:
I am going Vegas soon. So if I hit the Megabucks, I'llbuy a few and use as a paperweight. Just to flex.
Post by: drck1000 on May 27, 2022, 11:24:19 AM
I am going Vegas soon. So if I hit the Megabucks, I'llbuy a few and use as a paperweight. Just to flex.I'll take (the money for) two or three. ;D
If I win MegaBucks, I'll buy property and have a range.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 28, 2022, 07:06:12 PM
Ran a drill from a friend. 1 shot in mag and pull trigger twice. Noticable flinch on 2nd empty shot that my vp9 doesnt have and dry fire at home doesnt duplicate. Grouping at 5 yards was smaller than golfball once flinch stopped.
Few shots at 10 yrds were same hole.
Had 1st jam. I think it was the 1 bullet. Same Critical Defense JHP 185gr bullet failed to feed 3 times. All other 19rds in the box fired flawlessly. I wont be using this ammo for HD.
No jams rest of the day, about 150rds Federal FMJ.
Had fun again with the 1911.
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Post by: drck1000 on May 31, 2022, 07:26:37 AM
The low shots was 100% me. At least my low shots grouping were all touching at 5 yrds and orange size at 10yrds.I haven't shot pistol on the bullseye range in a long time, but when I did, I would do ball and dummy often. Particularly more when I shot at lot as I noticed that shot anticipation discipline waned when shooting more often. Another good drill/exercise is to have a friend load your mags and randomly mix dummy rounds in. Very useful when your mind is on the course of fire and seeing if your trigger press/shot break is solid. Dry fire is great, but there are some things that you just have to see in live fire. Trust the target. . .
Ran a drill from a friend. 1 shot in mag and pull trigger twice. Noticable flinch on 2nd empty shot that my vp9 doesnt have and dry fire at home doesnt duplicate. Grouping at 5 yards was smaller than golfball once flinch stopped.
Few shots at 10 yrds were same hole.
Had 1st jam. I think it was the 1 bullet. Same Critical Defense JHP 185gr bullet failed to feed 3 times. All other 19rds in the box fired flawlessly. I wont be using this ammo for HD.
No jams rest of the day, about 150rds Federal FMJ.
Had fun again with the 1911.
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You want some toast to go along with your jams? ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 31, 2022, 09:56:00 AM
5 yards
VP9 about egg size grouping
M45 smaller than golfball
10 yards
VP9 about avodado
M45 about small tagerine and occasional same hole. Never got same hole with VP9 ever
15 yards
VP9 about Jabone (moderate speed fire)
M45-Some same hole (never done this with the VP9), but probably big orange when not flinching. I haven't shot it again at 15 after figuring out my flinch problem.
25yards
VP9 can hit index card with slow fire. Moderate fire about volleyball
M45-Haven't done yet
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 06, 2022, 08:13:00 AM
So far ive shot about 500rds (40 HP ammo) and only a failure to feed. It was the same HP round 3x. So im thinking this 1 round had an issue. 320rds b4 first cleaining and 180 2nd cleaning.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on June 06, 2022, 09:25:28 AM
Post by: drck1000 on June 07, 2022, 06:39:51 AM
New testing will begin. How many rds can i go without cleaning (until it bothers me anyways), but just oiling. Since i oil my guns again b4 shooting if theyve been sitting for a few months.I put $5 on a failure to feed within 1000 rounds.
So far ive shot about 500rds (40 HP ammo) and only a failure to feed. It was the same HP round 3x. So im thinking this 1 round had an issue. 320rds b4 first cleaining and 180 2nd cleaning.
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Also gonna test some Fiocchi JHP ammo. I have enough Federal HST, but I was able to acquire some Fiocchi. The online gel test diff is HST has about 14 inch penetration compared to 18 inch for Fiocchi. Both of 5 rounds tested, 1 for each didn't expand. So mainly I want to make sure the Fiocchi JHP works in my gun, as the Critical Defense had that 1 round fail multiple times.Differnt gun/caliber, but I shot and tested Fiocchi JHP in .40 S&W. Wasn't impressed. It was on sale and didn't have any JHP for that caliber. I've since pretty much stopped buying .40 S&W, but nothing really to do with the gun or ammo.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 13, 2022, 09:04:58 AM
So far about 650rds FMJ and 70rds various HP. I would say the gun is g2g now. Sorry guys who I've been letting shoot without a care for the cost of ammo. Gonna me a little more pake now.
Shot at 15 yards (moderate rate of fire) and 5 of 10rds was inside orange size. 3 were touching. The rest were within a grapefruit. I don't remember what my VP9 can do at this distance, but I know for sure it wasn't 5 of 10 inside orange, yet alone rounds touching with moderate fire. I remember 1 SB I took, I was so fatigued that I had trouble getting inside a basketball at 15yrds with the VP9.
I did shoot a Mrs. CMO's P10C also and at 5 yards, had rounds touching with moderate fire. I have never done this b4. I think it's the trigger on the 1911 that is causing me to focus more when pulling. I can feel my pull is slightly different now when going back to a striker fire (bladed trigger), even though those are based on a pivot point. Only shot the 1911 3 times so far, but been doing more dry fire with her at home.
Post by: drck1000 on June 13, 2022, 09:20:55 AM
Update:Recommend you get to 1000 rounds, or at least 200 rounds straight with no malfunctions. . . 8)
So far about 650rds FMJ and 70rds various HP. I would say the gun is g2g now. Sorry guys who I've been letting shoot without a care for the cost of ammo. Gonna me a little more pake now.
Shot at 15 yards (moderate rate of fire) and 5 of 10rds was inside orange size. 3 were touching. The rest were within a grapefruit. I don't remember what my VP9 can do at this distance, but I know for sure it wasn't 5 of 10 inside orange, yet alone rounds touching with moderate fire. I remember 1 SB I took, I was so fatigued that I had trouble getting inside a basketball at 15yrds with the VP9.
I did shoot a Mrs. CMO's P10C also and at 5 yards, had rounds touching with moderate fire. I have never done this b4. I think it's the trigger on the 1911 that is causing me to focus more when pulling. I can feel my pull is slightly different now when going back to a striker fire (bladed trigger), even though those are based on a pivot point. Only shot the 1911 3 times so far, but been doing more dry fire with her at home.
Mostly joking, but I still think you should. Otherwise your OCD will bother you. . . ;D
Good that you shot the P10C right after well after shooting the 1911. It's can take me a little bit when I had been shooting say my Shadow, then shoot a Glock, and vice versa.
Thanks for letting me help test your gun. It's a nice shooting gun. Even with all of the rust on my pistol shooting. Always fun shoot a nice 1911, especially with #freeammo :geekdanc:
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 13, 2022, 11:57:07 AM
Recommend you get to 1000 rounds, or at least 200 rounds straight with no malfunctions. . . 8)
Mostly joking, but I still think you should. Otherwise your OCD will bother you. . . ;D
Good that you shot the P10C right after well after shooting the 1911. It's can take me a little bit when I had been shooting say my Shadow, then shoot a Glock, and vice versa.
Thanks for letting me help test your gun. It's a nice shooting gun. Even with all of the rust on my pistol shooting. Always fun shoot a nice 1911, especially with #freeammo :geekdanc:
Had a guy with a 1911 Girad or what ever it's called. He was having jams left and right. All failure to feed as his slide was like 1 inch back after releasing it and firing.
Post by: esk808 on June 19, 2022, 11:42:03 PM
I got 3 types of bushing wrenches which I use:
Real Avid has their gray and red bushing wrench which works real well.
Alchemy Custom used to make these bushing wrenches that look like pistol grips (in 9mm and 45acp) and I use these when cleaning my 1911s.
You really have to try them to see how easy it is.
Perry Competition used to make this tool, but I don't see it any more.............
All of these are configured to fit the 1911 bushing and depresses the spring, real easy to use (but hard to explain in writing).
The easiest one is the wooden Alchemy Custom bushing tool.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 20, 2022, 07:42:06 AM
Then a vid of Zevs Craighead, mrs.cmo likes it. But $2222 is a tough one.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on June 25, 2022, 09:22:36 PM
Now im gonna test no cleaning, just oiling. Thats if my OCD no kick in.
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Post by: oldfart on June 26, 2022, 03:55:40 AM
Duuummmmaaaaaa. 1st official jam. 3rd round of the day. Failure to feed after loading fresh mag to begin exercise. So 653 FMJ rds b4 1st one.==============
Now im gonna test no cleaning, just oiling. Thats if my OCD no kick in.
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Human error :rofl:
But seriously, you shot 653 bad guys before your luck ran out.
I call that a win. :shaka:
Post by: DocMercy on June 28, 2022, 12:29:05 PM
Duuummmmaaaaaa. 1st official jam. 3rd round of the day. Failure to feed after loading fresh mag to begin exercise. So 653 FMJ rds b4 1st one.
Well, I did recommend a Wilson Combat .45 ACP ...
What brand of ammo are you using?
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 28, 2022, 09:02:58 PM
Well, I did recommend a Wilson Combat .45 ACP ...Federal, PMC Bronze, Fiocchi, all kind. No problems.
What brand of ammo are you using?
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Post by: ren on June 28, 2022, 09:05:46 PM
Duuummmmaaaaaa. 1st official jam. 3rd round of the day. Failure to feed after loading fresh mag to begin exercise. So 653 FMJ rds b4 1st one.
Now im gonna test no cleaning, just oiling. Thats if my OCD no kick in.
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you should sell it
Post by: Bota-CS1 on June 28, 2022, 09:56:17 PM
Federal, PMC Bronze, Fiocchi, all kind. No problems.
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Maybe it’s the Indian and not the bow?
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 29, 2022, 09:30:17 AM
Maybe it’s the Indian and not the bow?
Waycist
Post by: drck1000 on June 29, 2022, 09:53:16 AM
you should sell itI got $5 on it. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 29, 2022, 12:10:51 PM
I got $5 on it. . .
For the M45, they did have Gun Broker bids that started at $0.01.
Post by: drck1000 on June 29, 2022, 12:30:45 PM
For the M45, they did have Gun Broker bids that started at $0.01.You should bid on some. Maybe folks are focused on buying micro and sub-compact pistols.
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 29, 2022, 12:53:35 PM
You should bid on some. Maybe folks are focused on buying micro and sub-compact pistols.
That's the other topic I was gonna start. For now, I think I would just carry Smith and Wesson M&P9C. Until I figure out what I want. I'm leaning toward the G43X or Shield Plus.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 11, 2022, 08:44:25 AM
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2022, 08:58:48 AM
Took a HRA SB this weekend and ran her, no issues. Shot about 50 rds and then more in the open shoot. So far about 300 rds without cleaning, just oiling. No jams.================
So what is the verdict?
You ran about 100 magazines through the gun, right?
Do you like the 1911 platform?
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 11, 2022, 11:16:31 AM
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So what is the verdict?
You ran about 100 magazines through the gun, right?
Do you like the 1911 platform?
I like it. Now I can see what people talk about when referring to the accuracy. It's a good gun, but the holy humbug I can see is the maintenance. It's a different technology which requires more cleaning and lubing. Would this specific issue stop me from using it as a carry gun, no. I would carry this, as I trust it will go bang when needing to. But there are better options.
The reason for better options are, lighter gun, cheaper because if it gets confiscated (expensive), smaller gun. And once HI's mag ban gets changed, I would want something with more than 10rds.
I've taken a few skill builders with her and enjoy the way it shoots. Plus it's something different. Not the same gun that everyone has.
The shitty part is the price I paid for this, but I wanted what I want. But glad I got her. Buy once cry once. Had I gone the SIG Scorpion route, I may have been not as happy. Def not as happy if I got any other 1911 model.
Post by: oldfart on July 11, 2022, 02:01:51 PM
I like it. Now I can see what people talk about when referring to the accuracy. It's a good gun, but the holy humbug I can see is the maintenance. It's a different technology which requires more cleaning and lubing. Would this specific issue stop me from using it as a carry gun, no. I would carry this, as I trust it will go bang when needing to. But there are better options.===========
The reason for better options are, lighter gun, cheaper because if it gets confiscated (expensive), smaller gun. And once HI's mag ban gets changed, I would want something with more than 10rds.
I've taken a few skill builders with her and enjoy the way it shoots. Plus it's something different. Not the same gun that everyone has.
The shitty part is the price I paid for this, but I wanted what I want. But glad I got her. Buy once cry once. Had I gone the SIG Scorpion route, I may have been not as happy. Def not as happy if I got any other 1911 model.
I wouldn't carry my full size 1911 either. Too heavy.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 11, 2022, 03:26:56 PM
===========Mrs. Cmo is looking at staccatos.
I wouldn't carry my full size 1911 either. Too heavy.
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Post by: ren on July 11, 2022, 04:08:02 PM
Mrs. Cmo is looking at staccatos.
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high heels?
Post by: drck1000 on July 11, 2022, 05:42:28 PM
Mrs. Cmo is looking at staccatos.Might as well get a W/C or Nighthawk. . .
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Best bow money can buy. . . ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 11, 2022, 09:16:05 PM
Might as well get a W/C or Nighthawk. . .She likes the ease of the slide. She got to fondle a TTI combat master 2011 (JW3).
Best bow money can buy. . . ;D
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Post by: aieahound on July 11, 2022, 10:09:22 PM
She likes the ease of the slide. She got to fondle a TTI combat master…
That’s going in classic quotes.
I think you meant CMO combat master. :rofl:
(No disrespect intended.)
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 11, 2022, 10:15:49 PM
That’s going in classic quotes.Lol
I think you meant CMO combat master. :rofl:
(No disrespect intended.)
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Post by: WTF?Shane on July 12, 2022, 03:56:59 PM
She likes the ease of the slide. She got to fondle a TTI combat master 2011 (JW3).
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Edge of precious...
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 12, 2022, 04:13:23 PM
Edge of precious...IYKYK
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Post by: drck1000 on July 12, 2022, 04:45:53 PM
IYKYKI don't want to know. . . :o :shake:
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Post by: stangzilla on July 12, 2022, 05:29:40 PM
(https://www.gunsamerica.com/userimages/124428/968172554/wm_2870058.jpg)
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Post by: changemyoil66 on July 12, 2022, 05:37:27 PM
I don't want to know. . . :o :shake:Google. Srs.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on July 13, 2022, 09:46:29 AM
I don't want to know. . . :o :shake:
Did u find it?
Post by: drck1000 on July 13, 2022, 09:59:19 AM
Google. Srs.LMGFY? or me?
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Did u find it?Uh, no. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 13, 2022, 10:20:40 AM
LMGFY? or me?
Uh, no. . .
Google Jade Struck precious. Or Taran my precious.
Post by: drck1000 on July 13, 2022, 10:22:54 AM
Google Jade Struck precious. Or Taran my precious.:shake:
It's not a "two girls one cup" trap, is it?
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 13, 2022, 11:39:57 AM
:shake:
It's not a "two girls one cup" trap, is it?
It's better, well depending on what kind of stuff u into.
Post by: drck1000 on July 13, 2022, 12:55:55 PM
It's better, well depending on what kind of stuff u into.Ahh, I remember that. Deep concealement. . .
Now this is a hottie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVd-9agJCQQ
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 25, 2022, 08:14:55 AM
Post by: drck1000 on July 25, 2022, 09:01:59 AM
Update, at the 500rd mark with no cleaning, but just oil before shooting that day. This past weekend was the 300-500 round count and zero malfunctions.Sounds good. What total round count?
You have spare/replacement springs? You'll be at 5k (or 10k) in no time. ;D
Now that you've been shooting it for a while, what are your impressions? Any perspective change? Looking back to when you started your search for a 1911.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 25, 2022, 10:17:10 AM
Sounds good. What total round count?
You have spare/replacement springs? You'll be at 5k (or 10k) in no time. ;D
Now that you've been shooting it for a while, what are your impressions? Any perspective change? Looking back to when you started your search for a 1911.
I can see how newer tech makes life easier. Like putting double stack mags back in a pouch is easier than single stack when doing a tac reload. Or even when reloading, I find the double stack is faster (bigger hole).
Due to the slower cycling of a 1911, I notice I'm on target faster with the VP9, even though it's snappier. But is seems snappier means faster which means faster return to sight.
I am way more accurate with the 1911. But rapid fire, the VP9 holds the edge.
Then there's the maintenance of the 1911 in general. Older tech, so requires more oil/cleaning. Which is always in the back of my mind.
But in the end, if this were a duty/war gun, then which would I prefer, VP9 of 1911. Hard to say because 1 has more stopping power (based on testimony from guys who actually shot someone and not laboratory results), but you get way less rounds. Any 9mm you get almost double the amount of rounds. So which is more important is the question? Then add in the weight, a 9mm gun weights much less. Even a 45 non 1911 weights less.
So if we look at what spec ops use, some can choose what they carry. And many use the G19. We call this a clue.
Overall I enjoy the gun and like to shoot something different. This was also on my wish list for years. So now I can scratch this off.
Side note, I got 2 complements on the 1911 this past Saturday's SB. No one said anything to the guy running the Staccato P.
Post by: drck1000 on July 25, 2022, 12:28:29 PM
I can see how newer tech makes life easier. Like putting double stack mags back in a pouch is easier than single stack when doing a tac reload. Or even when reloading, I find the double stack is faster (bigger hole).I've found that reloads with SS 1911s messes me up. We discussed this a bit before. Not saying that should sway anyone, just that I know I suck at it. Haven't tried an extended magwell. Think that would help some, but just haven't tried.
Due to the slower cycling of a 1911, I notice I'm on target faster with the VP9, even though it's snappier. But is seems snappier means faster which means faster return to sight.
I am way more accurate with the 1911. But rapid fire, the VP9 holds the edge.
Then there's the maintenance of the 1911 in general. Older tech, so requires more oil/cleaning. Which is always in the back of my mind.
But in the end, if this were a duty/war gun, then which would I prefer, VP9 of 1911. Hard to say because 1 has more stopping power (based on testimony from guys who actually shot someone and not laboratory results), but you get way less rounds. Any 9mm you get almost double the amount of rounds. So which is more important is the question? Then add in the weight, a 9mm gun weights much less. Even a 45 non 1911 weights less.
So if we look at what spec ops use, some can choose what they carry. And many use the G19. We call this a clue.
Overall I enjoy the gun and like to shoot something different. This was also on my wish list for years. So now I can scratch this off.
Side note, I got 2 complements on the 1911 this past Saturday's SB. No one said anything to the guy running the Staccato P.
Slower cycling 1911? You are able to notice that you are waiting for the slide/sites to return, and that it's slower than your VP9? :o I mean I swear I've seen that with the "barely functioning" poof poof loads.
For ammo cap, you can use 10 round mags. If you're talking about std cap double stack mags, yeah, that's quite a bit different. But you CAN get a Staccato! :geekdanc:
Good that you tried for yourself. Took you long enough though! ;D
Post by: macsak on July 25, 2022, 12:36:31 PM
I've found that reloads with SS 1911s messes me up. We discussed this a bit before. Not saying that should sway anyone, just that I know I suck at it. Haven't tried an extended magwell. Think that would help some, but just haven't tried.
Slower cycling 1911? You are able to notice that you are waiting for the slide/sites to return, and that it's slower than your VP9? :o I mean I swear I've seen that with the "barely functioning" poof poof loads.
For ammo cap, you can use 10 round mags. If you're talking about std cap double stack mags, yeah, that's quite a bit different. But you CAN get a Staccato! :geekdanc:
Good that you tried for yourself. Took you long enough though! ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 25, 2022, 12:47:36 PM
i own no poof poof ammo...
Or 45ACP HD ammo that is supposed to be FMJ. No focus
Post by: drck1000 on July 25, 2022, 10:32:10 PM
i own no poof poof ammo...moar stopping powah
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 01, 2022, 08:53:28 AM
Synopses:
He borrowed the pistol from someone who spent almost $5K on it. Ripoff IMO. The reasoning is it's a "Colt Custom Shop" gun. Only reason to spend this much on it is if it's some famous Marines pistol. But those can go for higher. And brand new CCS guns are going for this rate. But this isn't a true CCS gun. True CCS M45A1 which haven't been made in a while come like the milspec ones, but u get a nice green pelican case.
This sounds like it was a regular Colt 1911 and someone sent it in to colt to upgrade the parts to make it a M45A1. But by doing so, they also added in extra non milspec parts like a magwell and no ambi safety. Colt doesn't make these in their CCS from scratch. I tried to have them make me when I was looking for one. You gotta send in what you got and they will upgrade it to a M45A1. Kind of like how Taran does for Glocks or Agency Arms, etc...
So they say it's worth about retail $2200, which I agree with. But the OG owner messed up this gun and the new owner got ripped off. The CCS isn't like a Wilson Combat or Staccato custom made guns. Which I think Syndicate is confused about. Colt calls it their CCS, but it's not a true M45 custom fit (Les Baer, etc... type). So even my M45 rattles. Which it should because it's more milspec. The slide makes noise when I move it from side to side. And when I make an up and down motion with the entire gun, I hear that loop moving and making a sound. That loop you put the mag release thru when disassembling that's attached to the barrels chamber end. I also can remove the bushing by hand. he mentions a true custom 1911, you need the tool cause it's so tight.
A point he brought up was that the milspec ones are going to rattle because you want debris to fall out since it is a military gun. He compared this colt to his 9mm 1911 which has zero rattle.
So in the end, the owner should have got a Nighthawk for the price he paid. Or he could have went on GB and got something for much less. Like me, if I was getting above the $3K mark, I would go with something better (Wilson, Nighthawk, etc...). Less than $3K, I'm OK with. Even if it was a true green box CCS, I wouldn't spend $5K on it, even as a collector. I don't think he was collecting it because he allowed Syndicate to shoot it. Which makes me think he realized he got ripped off cause prior to that, the owner hasn't shot it either.
Post by: drck1000 on August 01, 2022, 08:57:57 AM
I guess that's what a Salient or even Agency Arms are to Glock. I was getting quite tempted with the A/A Ronin edition though and those are in the $3000-3800 range! :o
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 01, 2022, 01:27:22 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 07, 2022, 12:29:05 PM
Post by: ren on September 07, 2022, 05:01:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMh6yB_X4x0
Synopses:
He borrowed the pistol from someone who spent almost $5K on it. Ripoff IMO. The reasoning is it's a "Colt Custom Shop" gun. Only reason to spend this much on it is if it's some famous Marines pistol. But those can go for higher. And brand new CCS guns are going for this rate. But this isn't a true CCS gun. True CCS M45A1 which haven't been made in a while come like the milspec ones, but u get a nice green pelican case.
This sounds like it was a regular Colt 1911 and someone sent it in to colt to upgrade the parts to make it a M45A1. But by doing so, they also added in extra non milspec parts like a magwell and no ambi safety. Colt doesn't make these in their CCS from scratch. I tried to have them make me when I was looking for one. You gotta send in what you got and they will upgrade it to a M45A1. Kind of like how Taran does for Glocks or Agency Arms, etc...
So they say it's worth about retail $2200, which I agree with. But the OG owner messed up this gun and the new owner got ripped off. The CCS isn't like a Wilson Combat or Staccato custom made guns. Which I think Syndicate is confused about. Colt calls it their CCS, but it's not a true M45 custom fit (Les Baer, etc... type). So even my M45 rattles. Which it should because it's more milspec. The slide makes noise when I move it from side to side. And when I make an up and down motion with the entire gun, I hear that loop moving and making a sound. That loop you put the mag release thru when disassembling that's attached to the barrels chamber end. I also can remove the bushing by hand. he mentions a true custom 1911, you need the tool cause it's so tight.
A point he brought up was that the milspec ones are going to rattle because you want debris to fall out since it is a military gun. He compared this colt to his 9mm 1911 which has zero rattle.
So in the end, the owner should have got a Nighthawk for the price he paid. Or he could have went on GB and got something for much less. Like me, if I was getting above the $3K mark, I would go with something better (Wilson, Nighthawk, etc...). Less than $3K, I'm OK with. Even if it was a true green box CCS, I wouldn't spend $5K on it, even as a collector. I don't think he was collecting it because he allowed Syndicate to shoot it. Which makes me think he realized he got ripped off cause prior to that, the owner hasn't shot it either.
Just sent my slide to this 1911 smith https://kcskustomcreations.com/ (https://kcskustomcreations.com/) He is a retired Marine 2112 and built 1911 MEU (SOC) pistols. Cheaper. https://kcskustomcreations.com/meu-soc-variations-and-price-list/ (https://kcskustomcreations.com/meu-soc-variations-and-price-list/)
Funny video. "verbally said" is there any other way to say something? Do all people who review firearms have a beard ala ZZ Top? That whole video could have been done in 5 mins. SO much fluff. Do we really need ZZ Top guy there?
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 12, 2022, 11:16:49 AM
Post by: oldfart on September 12, 2022, 11:44:15 AM
So ran another 100 this last SB and no issues. But with the range being closed all Oct and possibly longer if the renovations take longer, a dirty gun will bother me. I might end up cleaning her. So 600rds over the course of about 3 months is a guud enuff place to stop the "test".===
So, at the last SB, did you B some S?
:rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on September 12, 2022, 12:15:10 PM
So ran another 100 this last SB and no issues. But with the range being closed all Oct and possibly longer if the renovations take longer, a dirty gun will bother me. I might end up cleaning her. So 600rds over the course of about 3 months is a guud enuff place to stop the "test".#skillbuilderworn ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 17, 2022, 09:13:39 AM
Post by: drck1000 on October 17, 2022, 12:21:18 PM
So ran another 100 this last SB and no issues. But with the range being closed all Oct and possibly longer if the renovations take longer, a dirty gun will bother me. I might end up cleaning her. So 600rds over the course of about 3 months is a guud enuff place to stop the "test".Should've been 1k minimum. ;D
The gun sitting not being shot and all dirty has been bothering me since mid Sept. I cleaned her. Who knows when the range will open. Work hasn't even begun yet. Best case scenerio IMO is December.So what? Notice anything in your cleaning and maintenance of the 1911? Your comparison between VP9?
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 17, 2022, 01:13:46 PM
Should've been 1k minimum. ;D
So what? Notice anything in your cleaning and maintenance of the 1911? Your comparison between VP9?
Dissasembly and assembly takes much more effort than the VP9 or any other striker fired. VP9 can be taken apart for basic cleaning in 5 easy steps.
1) Lock slide back
2) Turn takedown lever
3) Help slide forward and off frame
4) Remove recoil spring from fram
5) Remove barrel
Compared to 1911
1) Push front thing in and turn other thingy plate
2) Remove cap that covers recoil spring
3) Slide plate thingy in other direction
4) Bring slide to the rear and line up takedown hole
5) Push take down pin out
6) Bring slide forward off frame
7) Remove recoil spring
8) Remove barrel
The worst part is when reassembling, lining up the the hole on the frame to that moving part with the hole on it at the chamber end of the barrel.
IDK the names of the parts.
But for cleaning, I notice the FDE takes more scrubbing for the front of the frame. My VP9 is black so I don't notice the carbon build up on her. I do notice the carbon on the WML for both. So can someone else confirm this is a FDE issue and not a 45ACP powder issue.
So far no "idiot mark". I really don't care cause this gun does go in the dirt, but so far been lucky.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 17, 2022, 01:14:08 PM
Should've been 1k minimum. ;D
Cannot, range to far...I mean range closed.
Post by: drck1000 on October 17, 2022, 02:17:11 PM
Dissasembly and assembly takes much more effort than the VP9 or any other striker fired. VP9 can be taken apart for basic cleaning in 5 easy steps.“Much more” time? Millennial time metric? Haha
1) Lock slide back
2) Turn takedown lever
3) Help slide forward and off frame
4) Remove recoil spring from fram
5) Remove barrel
Compared to 1911
1) Push front thing in and turn other thingy plate
2) Remove cap that covers recoil spring
3) Slide plate thingy in other direction
4) Bring slide to the rear and line up takedown hole
5) Push take down pin out
6) Bring slide forward off frame
7) Remove recoil spring
8) Remove barrel
The worst part is when reassembling, lining up the the hole on the frame to that moving part with the hole on it at the chamber end of the barrel.
IDK the names of the parts.
But for cleaning, I notice the FDE takes more scrubbing for the front of the frame. My VP9 is black so I don't notice the carbon build up on her. I do notice the carbon on the WML for both. So can someone else confirm this is a FDE issue and not a 45ACP powder issue.
So far no "idiot mark". I really don't care cause this gun does go in the dirt, but so far been lucky.
For carbon, not positive if finish safe, Boretech C4 is really good for cleaning carbon. Mostly for my SS rifle barrels, but I’ve also used to other AR parts that can be “carbon heavy). Don’t need to, but it helps if one wants to clean baked on carbon.
Lmk if you want to try. I can give you some.
Post by: Heavies on October 17, 2022, 04:59:47 PM
“Much more” time? Millennial time metric? Haha
For carbon, not positive if finish safe, Boretech C4 is really good for cleaning carbon. Mostly for my SS rifle barrels, but I’ve also used to other AR parts that can be “carbon heavy). Don’t need to, but it helps if one wants to clean baked on carbon.
Lmk if you want to try. I can give you some.
Boretech is good stuff inside the barrel. Never thought about trying outside. Wonder if it would be finish safe?
Post by: WTF?Shane on October 17, 2022, 05:02:52 PM
The worst part is when reassembling, lining up the the hole on the frame to that moving part with the hole on it at the chamber end of the barrel.
IDK the names of the parts.
I think it's called the barrel link. I find that pulling the slide assembly back a little bit helps.
Compared to 1911
1) Pushfront thingspring guide plug in and turnother thingy platebarrel bushing
2) Removecap that covers recoil springspring guide plug
3) Slideplate thingybarrel bushing in other direction
4) Bring slide to the rear and line up takedownholenotch
5) Pushtake down pinslide catch lever out
6) Bring slide forward off frame
7) Remove recoil spring
8) Remove barrel
Tried to fix it for you. :thumbsup:
Post by: drck1000 on October 17, 2022, 05:24:00 PM
Boretech is good stuff inside the barrel. Never thought about trying outside. Wonder if it would be finish safe?It’s ok on black nitride finish. Not sure about cerakote. I’ve used it on Area 419 brakes with black nitride finish, as recommended by Area 419.
Post by: ren on October 17, 2022, 06:05:18 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 17, 2022, 06:23:20 PM
I think it's called the barrel link. I find that pulling the slide assembly back a little bit helps.Need a section for CMO slang.
Tried to fix it for you.
Thanks.
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Post by: robtmc on October 17, 2022, 07:12:12 PM
Post by: macsak on October 17, 2022, 07:22:28 PM
Imagine him dealing with a full length guide rod.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 17, 2022, 08:38:15 PM
i think his wife will tell you that will not be an issue...Asian head
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Post by: Heavies on October 19, 2022, 05:50:48 AM
Post by: Heavies on October 19, 2022, 05:59:50 AM
Would you buy a tens of thousands of dollar car then proceed to run 100 1/4 mile drag runs without changing the oil or doing any maintenance? Then when the engine is shot, declare “this vehicle is no good, not reliable, the engine blew”
If a clean, lubed, and maintained weapon can’t finish a mag of hollow points, I think, would be a more valid and useful data point for the reliability and durability of a weapon.
I was always taught to keep my stuff as clean as possible.
Post by: robtmc on October 19, 2022, 08:54:36 AM
Never could understand why one would not clean and lube their firearms. See so much “influencers” post I pulled it straight out of the box and proceeded to fire X amount of rounds…..
The difference between those trained by the military on using and maintaining your weapon
vs.
Those using social media for guidance and advice
Manual transmissions vs. automatics when it comes to firearms..
Post by: drck1000 on October 19, 2022, 09:03:28 AM
Imagine him dealing with a full length guide rod."you'll shoot your eye our kid" ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 19, 2022, 09:29:07 AM
Never could understand why one would not clean and lube their firearms. See so much “influencers” post I pulled it straight out of the box and proceeded to fire X amount of rounds…..
Would you buy a tens of thousands of dollar car then proceed to run 100 1/4 mile drag runs without changing the oil or doing any maintenance? Then when the engine is shot, declare “this vehicle is no good, not reliable, the engine blew”
If a clean, lubed, and maintained weapon can’t finish a mag of hollow points, I think, would be a more valid and useful data point for the reliability and durability of a weapon.
I was always taught to keep my stuff as clean as possible.
1911 type car, need to change my oil (pun intended) every 5 drags. Striker fire car, need to CMO once a year.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on October 19, 2022, 10:50:26 AM
Never could understand why one would not clean and lube their firearms.
*Mk14 EBR has entered the chat*
*National Match M1A has entered the chat*
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2022, 11:12:44 AM
1911 type car, need to change my oil (pun intended) every 5 drags. Striker fire car, need to CMO once a year.
There are different grades or "levels" of 1911. Like Mustangs. . . base, Cobra, Saleen. . . not equal ;D
For your example, I think tolerance and acceptable or needed slop can help or at least be a factor. Like how the FAL (or maybe was another gun) that has grooves in bolt carrier to help when crap is in the action, like sand.
I personally don't do torture tests on my guns. Lately, I go longer between cleanings because A) I shoot much less in a given range day and B) busy. It is good to know if there are points when firearms start to have trouble without maintenance. Lots of folks did it on Glocks and ARs. Seeing a lot more of that as I got more into bolt action prevision rifles, but different issues and impacts.
Post by: WTF?Shane on October 21, 2022, 12:58:26 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 21, 2022, 01:41:52 PM
I thought one of the reasons of the loose tolerances of the M45A1 was to grunt proof it. You should be good on it not being clean or properly lubed for a while.
Bruh, you should see how soldiers assembled the P320 incorrectly. It's not PFC proof.
Post by: drck1000 on October 21, 2022, 01:49:33 PM
Bruh, you should see how soldiers assembled the P320 incorrectly. It's not PFC proof.Remind me to tell you the story of the E1 and use of epoxy for construction. . .
Just when you think they couldn't possibly mess something up. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 24, 2022, 09:30:27 AM
Post by: Rocky on October 24, 2022, 10:03:03 AM
Forgot to add instead of using oil, I'm trying grease. Since IDK when I will get to shoot her next, oil does dry and grease doesn't. I'm using some grease that Mrs. CMO got for free at her Girl and a Gun Event in Colorado last year. I forgot what it's called, but eh grease is grease and it should be fine since it's just for storage. It's blue and came in a white syringe type applicator.White lithium grease
excellent adhesion to metal
metal on metal or metal on plastic.
water resistance and capable of withstanding very high temperatures and has a drip temperature of approximately 200° Celsius.
non-corrosive
does not break down under heavy loads
White lithium grease has zinc-oxide added to it.
Your AR will also :love : it
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 24, 2022, 10:15:29 AM
Your AR will also :love : it
That's what I was gonna do next, is use grease on the rifles since they too are sitting for an unknown amount of time. and the rest of the pistols.
Post by: robtmc on October 24, 2022, 10:31:53 AM
White lithium grease has zinc-oxide added to it.Think I used to smear that on my nose at the beach when I was a kid, the white zinc oxide that is.
Your AR will also :love : it
Post by: drck1000 on October 25, 2022, 01:05:47 PM
Forgot to add instead of using oil, I'm trying grease. Since IDK when I will get to shoot her next, oil does dry and grease doesn't. I'm using some grease that Mrs. CMO got for free at her Girl and a Gun Event in Colorado last year. I forgot what it's called, but eh grease is grease and it should be fine since it's just for storage. It's blue and came in a white syringe type applicator.LMK if you want to try some Lucas Oil lithium grease. I have a tube that I don't use.
I used TW25B on my bolt guns, as well as some other ones that I used to use, so I have plenty. I almost never shoot my 1911s. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 25, 2022, 01:30:53 PM
LMK if you want to try some Lucas Oil lithium grease. I have a tube that I don't use.
I used TW25B on my bolt guns, as well as some other ones that I used to use, so I have plenty. I almost never shoot my 1911s. . .
I have not dived into the greased rabbit hole. But I can imagine it's like gun oil. 40 diff oil brands and if you talk to 10 people, you will get 7 different answers to which is the best. Is this true?
For gun oil, I use Breakthrough:
https://www.breakthroughclean.com/breakthrough-clean-technologies-battle-born-hp-pro-lubricant-protectant-2oz-bottle-w-needle-tip-applicator-clear
Only cause I use their cleaner because Ballistol smells like shit. I stumbled on to them because KM Concepts sold it at the time and I wanted to support a friends business. So I then looked into what else they sell and got this because of the needle tip. It makes it easier to apply, the regular oil doesn't have a needle tip and a little messier to apply.
I did notice with the FDE coating, that it absorbes the oil, there's an oil stain that shows for a little bit, then goes away once it dries out. Compared to a black VP9, when excess oil is on it, it just "pools".
Post by: Heavies on October 26, 2022, 05:17:30 AM
Don’t know how valid that is. Usually I grease sliding parts on my Garand, pump gun, bolt gun, etc. never tried on my auto pistols.
Use sparingly though, unless you want grease all over when In operation
Post by: drck1000 on October 26, 2022, 07:16:00 AM
I have not dived into the greased rabbit hole. But I can imagine it's like gun oil. 40 diff oil brands and if you talk to 10 people, you will get 7 different answers to which is the best. Is this true?It's not a rabbit hole. I think most people overthink lube for guns, esp polymer pistols and ARs. Use what you got.
For gun oil, I use Breakthrough:
https://www.breakthroughclean.com/breakthrough-clean-technologies-battle-born-hp-pro-lubricant-protectant-2oz-bottle-w-needle-tip-applicator-clear
Only cause I use their cleaner because Ballistol smells like shit. I stumbled on to them because KM Concepts sold it at the time and I wanted to support a friends business. So I then looked into what else they sell and got this because of the needle tip. It makes it easier to apply, the regular oil doesn't have a needle tip and a little messier to apply.
I did notice with the FDE coating, that it absorbes the oil, there's an oil stain that shows for a little bit, then goes away once it dries out. Compared to a black VP9, when excess oil is on it, it just "pools".
You sure that "wet spot" is oil? ??? :-X
:rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 26, 2022, 08:41:25 AM
You sure that "wet spot" is oil? ??? :-X
:rofl:
I mean it did take me a year go get the 1911, so who knows...
Post by: WTF?Shane on October 26, 2022, 03:06:47 PM
It's not a rabbit hole. I think most people overthink lube for guns, esp polymer pistols and ARs. Use what you got.
You sure that "wet spot" is oil? ??? :-X
:rofl:
I'm sure the Marines are using plain old CLP.
Post by: drck1000 on October 26, 2022, 03:29:09 PM
I'm sure the Marines are using plain old CLP.Ya. Need to maintain the authenticity. . . O0
Bet some don't even use CLP. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 26, 2022, 09:26:59 PM
Ya. Need to maintain the authenticity. . . O0And these pistols are going for collector rates because they were issued to some random grunt. All worn out like the high school slut.
Bet some don't even use CLP. . .
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Post by: drck1000 on October 27, 2022, 10:51:33 AM
And these pistols are going for collector rates because they were issued to some random grunt. All worn out like the high school slut.F'real? ??? ::)
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Reminds me of Deuce Bigelow ;D
Post by: Rocky on October 27, 2022, 12:14:21 PM
And these pistols are going for collector rates because they were issued to some random grunt. All worn out like the high school slut.But the HSS can outperform the virgin Prom Queen. :D
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Post by: drck1000 on October 31, 2022, 09:17:12 AM
But the HSS can outperform the virgin Prom Queen. :DCMO was the prom queen . . .
wait, what? ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 31, 2022, 09:29:34 AM
CMO was the prom queen . . .
wait, what? ;D
So who was the winner who took me?
Post by: ren on October 31, 2022, 10:57:14 AM
And these pistols are going for collector rates because they were issued to some random grunt. All worn out like the high school slut.
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if you are referring to CMP pistols those were previously issued. Some were going upwards of several thousand. Some were issued to ODAs and were modded. Those were good deals but were luck of the draw.
Post by: Rocky on October 31, 2022, 11:06:08 AM
So who was the winner who took me?Almost everybody "took you'' but not necessarily considered winners. :oops:
#NewHSS
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 31, 2022, 11:25:19 AM
if you are referring to CMP pistols those were previously issued. Some were going upwards of several thousand. Some were issued to ODAs and were modded. Those were good deals but were luck of the draw.
So once they were announced to be avail to the civilian market, Gun Broker got a bunch of NIB ones. Which they only allowed their higher members to get. They were going for $800 and MSRP was $1500 at the time.
Many of these were also the civilian version (states M45A1 on the slide and not USMC crossed out).
Then they had the ones who were issued to grunts (USMC on the slide that was then crossed out). IDK if it went CMP, but they were heavily worn cosmetically. So the finish was rubbed off from wear and stuff like that. I can't see myself spending way more just cause some random grunt was issued it. Odds are it wasn't even fired in combat either. The only one that I could see being work something is if it was issued to Gen. Mattis.
I heard of a story of a guy in HI who paid big bucks for his M82 rifle cause it took the lives of a few T-ban. He claims to have had the paperwork and was able to trace who it was issued to and when it was used.
Post by: macsak on October 31, 2022, 12:24:25 PM
Ya. Need to maintain the authenticity. . . O0
Bet some don't even use CLP. . .
use spit...
Post by: drck1000 on October 31, 2022, 01:21:08 PM
So who was the winner who took me?macsak? ???
:rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on October 31, 2022, 01:21:25 PM
use spit...rub it kook
Post by: macsak on October 31, 2022, 02:50:06 PM
CMO was the prom queen . . .
wait, what? ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 10, 2023, 01:18:12 PM
So in the end, meh. Paid a little more to enjoy her for a little bit b4 range closed. Plus with baby on the way, I probably wouldn't buy it now anyways.
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 12, 2023, 09:28:24 AM
Damn, now got 1st two options available.
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Post by: drck1000 on March 12, 2023, 10:10:35 AM
Wow, firearma intl has the SIG Scorpion in stock.You should get one. Try side by side. You HAVE to know.
Damn, now got 1st two options available.
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Post by: stangzilla on March 12, 2023, 10:31:13 AM
Wow, firearma intl has the SIG Scorpion in stock.
Damn, now got 1st two options available.
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If you want it, you should get it
I never regret buying a gun, but I sometimes regret not buying one. Especially one that's on my radar
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 07, 2023, 06:59:05 PM
I really liked the Scorpion.
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Post by: drck1000 on July 07, 2023, 09:50:59 PM
SIG will stop making 1911s.You should buy one. Price will only go up.
I really liked the Scorpion.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on May 06, 2024, 08:02:13 AM
Post by: drck1000 on May 06, 2024, 08:27:22 AM
The next thing I want to test is how many rounds can I fire without an excessive amount of jamming, without cleaning. Just applying oil only.What is excessive? On your toast?
But serious, check out discussion on 1911s and 2011s on functioning with dry or oil, and recoil spring weights.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 06, 2024, 09:20:42 AM
What is excessive? On your toast?
But serious, check out discussion on 1911s and 2011s on functioning with dry or oil, and recoil spring weights.
Here or other websites?
Post by: drck1000 on May 06, 2024, 09:47:36 AM
Here or other websites?Mostly on IG. I've seen many recently. Nothing new. It's been a while since I've shot my 1911s a lot, but I do recall that discussion/debate. Been looking at 2011s here and there, so noticed those discussions/videos lately.
There are some on forums and individual person or group webpages, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
Post by: changemyoil66 on May 06, 2024, 11:30:57 AM
Mostly on IG. I've seen many recently. Nothing new. It's been a while since I've shot my 1911s a lot, but I do recall that discussion/debate. Been looking at 2011s here and there, so noticed those discussions/videos lately.
There are some on forums and individual person or group webpages, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
What made me thing about this is I was watching some WW2 docu's and I can't imagine soldiers taking time to oil their 1911's all the time. The mentality of "I never shot it, so no need" comes into mind. I could be wrong and maybe it was SOP to every time you clean your rifle, to also clean your sidearm. But then in the Pacific, with it's humidity, how often did they clean their rifle?
The Luger has such tight tolerances that to keep dirt out, they basically wrapped the entire pistol in a holster. Which is why those Luger WW2 holsters are so bulky. And every part was stamped with the serial #. So it you can find a WW2 Luger with all matching serial numbers, it's a gem. Because the SOP was to just replace the part with what ever you had in the armory, so lots of mixed serial numbers on WW2 Lugers.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on May 06, 2024, 11:41:18 AM
What made me thing about this is I was watching some WW2 docu's and I can't imagine soldiers taking time to oil their 1911's all the time. The mentality of "I never shot it, so no need" comes into mind. I could be wrong and maybe it was SOP to every time you clean your rifle, to also clean your sidearm. But then in the Pacific, with it's humidity, how often did they clean their rifle?
The Luger has such tight tolerances that to keep dirt out, they basically wrapped the entire pistol in a holster. Which is why those Luger WW2 holsters are so bulky. And every part was stamped with the serial #. So it you can find a WW2 Luger with all matching serial numbers, it's a gem. Because the SOP was to just replace the part with what ever you had in the armory, so lots of mixed serial numbers on WW2 Lugers.
When in field conditions, too much oil is a bad thing. It attracts dirt, dust and lint, and makes those things adhere to the oiled parts.
You just need to make sure the metal-on-metal contact points have sufficient lubrication. That means a few drops in specific places.
I wouldn't characterize spending a minute to apply oil to a weapon when gearing up as "soldiers taking time to oil their 1911's all the time". If they are trained properly, maintaining their weapons is as routine as eating and drinking.
If it's my life, i'd be sure to keep my weapon functioning. I have no idea if what I would do is feasible, but to keep 99% of the guns ready all the time, I'd assign a weapons cleaning detail at intervals depending on the situation and recent engagements.
A detailed soldier would walk up to you, hand you a clean 1911, and take yours to be cleaned. Once yours is done, they'd trade back, and go to the next guy. Keeps everyone armed except those on cleaning detail. It prevents having having half of the guns or more torn down for cleaning at the same time.
A plus is you can have your best gun cleaning guys do the job quickly and correctly. It's a fact that more guns experience malfunctions after cleaning because someone did it wrong or didn't properly reassemble the weapon.
Of course, you still need to function check it after it's returned to you clean.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 05, 2025, 07:16:30 AM
I've been running a no cleaning test. So far it's been about a year and about 800rds through the M45 and no issues. I just oil before using. So not a true test, but I don't want the gun to keep jamming during a skill builder.
Post by: oldfart on August 05, 2025, 11:09:57 AM
Update:....
I've been running a no cleaning test. So far it's been about a year and about 800rds through the M45 and no issues. I just oil before using. So not a true test, but I don't want the gun to keep jamming during a skill builder.
A lot depends on the ammunition you are using.
But the oil before use is absolutely correct. It makes a huge difference.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 05, 2025, 01:19:18 PM
....
A lot depends on the ammunition you are using.
But the oil before use is absolutely correct. It makes a huge difference.
What if I used grease instead as oil can dry up? Or would the carbon trapped in the grease increase it's jamming?
I've been using Fiocchi 230gr FMJ.
Post by: oldfart on August 05, 2025, 03:00:57 PM
What if I used grease instead as oil can dry up? Or would the carbon trapped in the grease increase it's jamming?....
I've been using Fiocchi 230gr FMJ.
I wouldn't use grease on my guns, except for long term storage. Maybe not even then.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 05, 2025, 05:13:54 PM
What if I used grease instead as oil can dry up? Or would the carbon trapped in the grease increase it's jamming?
I've been using Fiocchi 230gr FMJ.
If you're planning to leave your guns in the safe 300 days out of the year, I recommend Frog Lube.
It lasts about a year, probably longer but it starts to turn golden brown.
It's more work initially. You have to remove any previous oils and thoroughly clean it. Then coat it with Frog Lube all over inside and out. I use the paste and brush it on with a small brush.
I then heat it in the oven as directed. That step absorbs the protectant into the pores of the the metal.
After it cools completely, I gently wipe them down. A complete layer of Frog Lube remains and protects better than most lubes I've seen tested.
When you take it to the range, you don't even need to oil it. As the gun warms up from shooting, the Frog Lube softens/melts and lubes it automatically.
After shooting, clean as usually, reapply the Frog Lube only enough to replace what you cleaned off, then warm it in the oven.
Basically, if you're looking at semmi-long-term storage, this is a very good product. For extremely long term storage, most MILSURP sellers seem to find the guns preserved in cosmoline. it's a combination of grease and oil and it's very difficult sometimes to get the firearm totally clean with only one try.
I just checked, and Amazon lists cosmoline as a spray-on rust preventative. I may have to check YT to see how that stuff stacks up against Frog Lube.
Amazon also shows a product called Fluid Film. One of the auto channels in NY I watch uses this to protect cars and truck from rusting out from all the salt used during the Winter there. This is not a lubricant, so you'll still need to address that when preparing to shoot.
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 05, 2026, 11:21:19 AM
I took a class a few months ago and realized when I take a class, that means Mrs. CMO has to watch out daughter all day. Then after the class, I'm usually drained and need a nap, then have to clean the guns. So I'm basically out of comission with our daughter till 8pm or so.
It's unfair to Mrs. CMO IMO, unless we take a class together and grandparetns babysit, but our priorities have changed. We have enough training to be proficient with our tools and Covid closures taught me that we can go a long time without losing too much ability.
So I finally cleaned the 1911 after many rounds with no issues. I was doing a test of how many rounds can I go withouth cleaning until jams happen often. I would estiamte that I'm about 1100rds with no cleaning.
Post by: ren on March 05, 2026, 06:41:56 PM