Post by: QUIETShooter on April 23, 2021, 06:41:35 AM
Curious to know if you guys think the same thing. Or not. Comments?
Post by: RSN172 on April 23, 2021, 06:46:44 AM
Post by: 6716J on April 23, 2021, 07:41:30 AM
And if you're lucky, you can shoot in your yard if its big enough. Or set up in the garage or house (if the wife will let you).
Post by: oldfart on April 23, 2021, 07:49:17 AM
Post by: oldfart on April 23, 2021, 07:52:16 AM
The range is less crowded for sure.
Post by: aletheuo137 on April 23, 2021, 08:26:58 AM
Here is the link if interested:
https://www.itargetpro.com/
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Post by: drck1000 on April 23, 2021, 08:47:58 AM
But the cost of ammo is quite prohibiting. Plus I'm always thinking if when the time comes to replenish my stash, will any of it be available (because of that strange old man occupying the POTUS seat.)One of the reasons I finally got into reloading/handloading. Started with .308 and have most of the stuff in place for 9 mm. I haven't been shooting 9 nearly as much as I had prior to COVID, but a big part of that was due to no range and no classes being offered during the shutdown.
Curious to know if you guys think the same thing. Or not. Comments?
The ammo supply thing comes in waves, but yeah, this one was a mega tsunami.
Now that the action bays are opening back up, I am slammed with work. But once that clears, I think I will be more "careful" on ammo supply.
Post by: stangzilla on April 23, 2021, 08:48:50 AM
I go to kokohead about every other weekend, but limit myself to shooting 50 rounds centerfire, 100 rounds 22. although i'm going regularly, it does affect the amount i shoot
I'm reloading just about every week now. before was maybe once a month. i'm shooting my revolvers with mostly all reloads now
i also got a 22 conversion for my AR. so can save the centerfire ammo
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 23, 2021, 09:03:52 AM
So with that being said,since the bays were closed, that really helped save ammo. No mag dumps or skill builder/competitions, etc...
But bays are opening tomorrow, so when we do go to shoot, there has to be a plan on what to work on or practice to maintain skills. Not just blast away to blast away. What I do since buying a case of something is a huge cost up front, I try and buy a little here and a little there. This way it doesn't seem to hit the wallet as hard. I just went to Bushido Arms and picked up 100rds of 9mm. He seems to have a stock daily that he post on social media.
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 23, 2021, 09:15:31 AM
What do you want to shoot? I have thousands of rounds of 9MM, .223 and 22LR that I might be willing to sell for a very high price. LOL.
LOL! Thanks but I'll wait a while...... ;D
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 23, 2021, 09:23:02 AM
What calibers you want to shoot?
.44 mag and specials, 223/556, and .22 LR. Wasn't looking for any handouts or deals, just wanted to shoot the breeze with you guys and see what you guys think about the ammo shortage and high prices.
Will it go down? Will the retard sitting in the POTUS seat make ammo prices unreachable for the average joe?
That kind of shit. ;D
I think the cost has affected a lot of people.
The range is less crowded for sure.
Yeah, almost everyone has a firearm in 223/556 and at close to or over a dollar a round, that must impact lots of people.
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 23, 2021, 09:28:29 AM
One of the reasons I finally got into reloading/handloading. Started with .308 and have most of the stuff in place for 9 mm. I haven't been shooting 9 nearly as much as I had prior to COVID, but a big part of that was due to no range and no classes being offered during the shutdown.
The ammo supply thing comes in waves, but yeah, this one was a mega tsunami.
Now that the action bays are opening back up, I am slammed with work. But once that clears, I think I will be more "careful" on ammo supply.
Funny how things work out that way. When you wanna do things, it's closed and when it opens up, gotta work!
I just retired going on 2 years now and when I retired I was excited to start shooting again. Shooting was on the backburner since work was priority. But then covid hit, ammo prices went high, and we have a strange old man who is playing president right now. :crazy:
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 23, 2021, 09:40:32 AM
I've been stockpiling ammo and reloading stuff for a while. and a good amount of 22LR
I go to kokohead about every other weekend, but limit myself to shooting 50 rounds centerfire, 100 rounds 22. although i'm going regularly, it does affect the amount i shoot
I'm reloading just about every week now. before was maybe once a month. i'm shooting my revolvers with mostly all reloads now
i also got a 22 conversion for my AR. so can save the centerfire ammo
Yep, you were on the right track about stockpiling prior to the conditions we are experiencing now.
I haven't pulled the trigger as far as reloading, wish I did earlier because it seems supplies for reloading is getting difficult too. I still haven't dismissed this option. Maybe I'll get into it, depending how that old man in the POTUS seat messes with 2a rights.
I used to average shooting 100 rounds of centerfire also when visiting the range. I used to think nothing of it as far as cost. Now, different story.
I think the biggest thing for me right now is if ammo will be difficult or extremely expensive in the future. It kinds of kills my fight to go shoot at the range because of this uncertainty.
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 23, 2021, 09:54:26 AM
I'm in the same boat. I don't have 20K rounds like I know some people do. But what I have would have to be replaced at some point. And the cost to replace right now is way higher than normal.
So with that being said,since the bays were closed, that really helped save ammo. No mag dumps or skill builder/competitions, etc...
But bays are opening tomorrow, so when we do go to shoot, there has to be a plan on what to work on or practice to maintain skills. Not just blast away to blast away. What I do since buying a case of something is a huge cost up front, I try and buy a little here and a little there. This way it doesn't seem to hit the wallet as hard. I just went to Bushido Arms and picked up 100rds of 9mm. He seems to have a stock daily that he post on social media.
It's a huge bummer if one can't blast away just for the shits and giggles and not worry about how hard it hits you in the pocketbook. That's part of the fun of shooting. ;D
On the last shipment of Kaleo Arms I bought from them 300 rounds of 5.56. That brought my stash of 556 back to 1000 rounds. I normally wouldn't hesitate to go to the range and blast away knowing I can replenish the stash at a reasonable cost. Now I'm a bit reluctant.
I was glad I was able to buy from Kaleo 10 bricks of .22 LR prior to the prices going through the roof. Now a brick of .22 is a bit more that twice the price I paid back then.
Post by: astroboy on April 23, 2021, 10:14:47 AM
supply of components and ammo combined with the high cost of both makes my visits to KHSC a rare event.
Post by: oldfart on April 23, 2021, 10:43:56 AM
While not quite the same, get airsoft stuff. You can find airsoft almost identical to the real deal.....
Yeah, very realistic.
I use an airsoft for pistol safety training away from the range.
Teenagers use them to terrorize their robbery victims....not a good idea.
Post by: Bota-CS1 on April 23, 2021, 11:22:34 AM
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Yeah, very realistic.
I use an airsoft for pistol safety training away from the range.
Teenagers use them to terrorize their robbery victims....not a good idea.
Oh wow. I can remember.....
Post by: stangzilla on April 23, 2021, 11:32:27 AM
Post by: oldfart on April 23, 2021, 11:40:12 AM
it kind of sucks too bc i have to sacrifice other things i have to do in order to reload every week. but you gotta have priorities....
Back in the 70s, I spent a whole day loading 44 mag on my co ax press....then spent the next day shooting up the target frame at khsc.
....
Post by: drck1000 on April 23, 2021, 11:43:26 AM
Yep, you were on the right track about stockpiling prior to the conditions we are experiencing now.When I first got back into guns after moving home, I would shoot 200-300 in a give range session, and maybe 2-3 times a month. Then there are training days that 400-600 rifle and/or pistol wasn't uncommon. Now, I sort of cringe at even the thought of shooting 300 rifle. Pistol, I'm better off, but rifle ammo supply does concern me. I mean I have a "decent" amount, but a 500 round range day def puts a dent. . . :(
I haven't pulled the trigger as far as reloading, wish I did earlier because it seems supplies for reloading is getting difficult too. I still haven't dismissed this option. Maybe I'll get into it, depending how that old man in the POTUS seat messes with 2a rights.
I used to average shooting 100 rounds of centerfire also when visiting the range. I used to think nothing of it as far as cost. Now, different story.
I think the biggest thing for me right now is if ammo will be difficult or extremely expensive in the future. It kinds of kills my fight to go shoot at the range because of this uncertainty.
Post by: RSN172 on April 23, 2021, 11:51:08 AM
LOL! Thanks but I'll wait a while...... ;DWhat? You no lik buy 223 FMJ fo $2 and Federal 22LR fo 10 cents a round? I no lik sell my Blazers and CCI ammo. You no lik help one kupuna supplement his fixed income?
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 23, 2021, 11:52:38 AM
When I first got back into guns after moving home, I would shoot 200-300 in a give range session, and maybe 2-3 times a month. Then there are training days that 400-600 rifle and/or pistol wasn't uncommon. Now, I sort of cringe at even the thought of shooting 300 rifle. Pistol, I'm better off, but rifle ammo supply does concern me. I mean I have a "decent" amount, but a 500 round range day def puts a dent. . . :(
That also ups the cost. So if class is $200 and ammo is $400, that's a $600 class. Where it used to be a $300 class pre COVID.
Then you have couples so X2 on the cost of everything.
Mrs.CMO is going to CO next week and taking 5 classes. She plans on shooting about 1200 of 9mm total. But luckily, she was able to order online and more reasonable prices and have the ammo shipped to the range in CO, whom are holding it for her and all the other attendees. The luxury of not having to pay hazmat.
Some classes she signed up for are: CCW defense, vehicle pistol defense, and I can't remember the rest.
Post by: GlockNewb on April 23, 2021, 11:58:25 AM
I haven't tried it but Dan Bongino promotes ITarget. I have bb pistol and rifle to practice fundamentals. Started to reload stuff too. But pretty much the same sentiment!
Here is the link if interested:
https://www.itargetpro.com/
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I bought me a laser system around October 2020, Mantis Blackbeard. Highly recommended for lots of AR dryfire trigger time.
https://youtu.be/X-VCINcEaRE
Post by: ren on April 23, 2021, 12:02:55 PM
I can dry and live fire , some times I just go to range to dryfire because I learn so much froma Scatt.
https://youtu.be/KGkOZE5lA1g
most important things I learned was:
- how long to hold
- best way to approach the target
- position
and assholes who sometimes take a shot at my target because they didn't bring one
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 23, 2021, 12:46:20 PM
most important things I learned was:
- how long to hold
- best way to approach the target
- position
and assholes who sometimes take a shot at my target because they didn't bring one
I had people doing that when I brought steel plates for the rifle side.
Unfortunately, it affected my aim so much, I accidentally ripped a couple of rounds through the leg of their frame! Oops!
Post by: stangzilla on April 23, 2021, 12:53:09 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 23, 2021, 01:06:57 PM
this past weekend i saw 2 people on the silly side shooting air rifles
Perhaps they misunderstood what "Silly" meant? :rofl:
Post by: stangzilla on April 23, 2021, 01:31:40 PM
Perhaps they misunderstood what "Silly" meant? :rofl:
haha!
at first i thought that they were super quiet 22's, but a closer look and i realized they were airguns
i used to shoot airguns all the time when i was in elementary and middle school. one of my friends from elementary school that I would shoot with still shoots with me today. we just graduated up to firearms now
i remember back shooting airguns we had a game called hostage and terrorist. we would fill empty soda cans with water and place them down range. Coke would be the terrorist and Hawaiian Sun would be the hostages. the closer we put them together the harder it was to not shoot the hostages
ahhhh, the good old days......
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 23, 2021, 01:37:47 PM
What? You no lik buy 223 FMJ fo $2 and Federal 22LR fo 10 cents a round? I no lik sell my Blazers and CCI ammo. You no lik help one kupuna supplement his fixed income?
I no mind buying from a 2a brother, but umm, I get fixed income too. ;D
Dat 223 FMJ must be one helluva round fo $2? Or was that $2 for 10 each? ;)
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 23, 2021, 01:47:09 PM
haha!
at first i thought that they were super quiet 22's, but a closer look and i realized they were airguns
i used to shoot airguns all the time when i was in elementary and middle school. one of my friends from elementary school that I would shoot with still shoots with me today. we just graduated up to firearms now
i remember back shooting airguns we had a game called hostage and terrorist. we would fill empty soda cans with water and place them down range. Coke would be the terrorist and Hawaiian Sun would be the hostages. the closer we put them together the harder it was to not shoot the hostages
ahhhh, the good old days......
I miss my Benjamin airgun. :( I don't even know what happened to it. I think it broke and I threw it away. If it was stolen I would've remembered.
Growing up as a kid in the mid to late 60's in Waialua on the North Shore was as rural as rural could be. Still sugar cane fields and plantation villages. We would walk the back cane haul roads and shoot doves or soda cans.
I remember how hard it was to convince my mom to buy a pellet gun. My very first gun was a BB gun made by Daisy. The dirt cheapest one. The plain simple one which costed $6.95 back then.
It might as well have been a million dollars. It took forever on my newspaper route to buy one.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 23, 2021, 01:55:44 PM
I miss my Benjamin airgun. :( I don't even know what happened to it. I think it broke and I threw it away. If it was stolen I would've remembered.
Growing up as a kid in the mid to late 60's in Waialua on the North Shore was as rural as rural could be. Still sugar cane fields and plantation villages. We would walk the back cane haul roads and shoot doves or soda cans.
I remember how hard it was to convince my mom to buy a pellet gun. My very first gun was a BB gun made by Daisy. The dirt cheapest one. The plain simple one which costed $6.95 back then.
It might as well have been a million dollars. It took forever on my newspaper route to buy one.
I have to ask:
Did you shoot your eye out? :geekdanc:
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 23, 2021, 01:59:15 PM
....
Back in the 70s, I spent a whole day loading 44 mag on my co ax press....then spent the next day shooting up the target frame at khsc.
....
My rifle just loves to shoot up the target frame. (I blame the rifle.... :D )
When I come home my wife looks at the target frame and laughs...... :-[
Post by: oldfart on April 23, 2021, 04:17:08 PM
My rifle just loves to shoot up the target frame. (I blame the rifle.... :D )....
When I come home my wife looks at the target frame and laughs...... :-[
Back then, the pistol range was where the skeet range is today.
The pistol frames were made of rebar so it was harder to hit.
We managed to hit them anyway. 😂
Post by: jc2721 on April 23, 2021, 04:31:28 PM
#2 reload
#3 buy what you can, when you can get it
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 23, 2021, 04:41:17 PM
....
Back then, the pistol range was where the skeet range is today.
The pistol frames were made of rebar so it was harder to hit.
We managed to hit them anyway. 😂
Hopefully the home invaders aren't smart enough to stand directly in front of you ..... :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on April 23, 2021, 04:44:52 PM
That also ups the cost. So if class is $200 and ammo is $400, that's a $600 class. Where it used to be a $300 class pre COVID.Yeah, it definitely all adds up. Especially when adding in travel cost for those of #luckywelivehawaii. Ammo and class fee isn't even 1/4 of the total cost.
Then you have couples so X2 on the cost of everything.
Mrs.CMO is going to CO next week and taking 5 classes. She plans on shooting about 1200 of 9mm total. But luckily, she was able to order online and more reasonable prices and have the ammo shipped to the range in CO, whom are holding it for her and all the other attendees. The luxury of not having to pay hazmat.
Some classes she signed up for are: CCW defense, vehicle pistol defense, and I can't remember the rest.
Nice that Mrs. CMO can travel and have 5 classes. Tell her to take some athletic tape. 1200 rounds is a good amount of training. She's gonna be able to shoot circles around you. ;D
Post by: stangzilla on April 23, 2021, 06:42:38 PM
But the cost of ammo is quite prohibiting. Plus I'm always thinking if when the time comes to replenish my stash, will any of it be available (because of that strange old man occupying the POTUS seat.)
Curious to know if you guys think the same thing. Or not. Comments?
You should start reloading. It's a good skill to have even if there is no ammo shortage. Especially 44mag bc it's expensive even without the pandemic. You can custom load it however you like. Doesnt have to be a fancy progressive reloading press. I have a Lee single stage and that works for me. Its slow but its consistent, precise
Post by: hvybarrels on April 23, 2021, 08:06:57 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 23, 2021, 08:37:34 PM
I have to ask:
Did you shoot your eye out? :geekdanc:
Lol! No, luckily I didn't but if you see how I shoot you would think I did. ;D
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 23, 2021, 08:44:51 PM
You should start reloading. It's a good skill to have even if there is no ammo shortage. Especially 44mag bc it's expensive even without the pandemic. You can custom load it however you like. Doesnt have to be a fancy progressive reloading press. I have a Lee single stage and that works for me. Its slow but its consistent, precise
If I can get myself to clean up a corner of the garage so I can set up a re-loading bench area I might just do that. I certainly have the time now since I'm retired.
Post by: aletheuo137 on April 23, 2021, 09:08:30 PM
If I can get myself to clean up a corner of the garage so I can set up a re-loading bench area I might just do that. I certainly have the time now since I'm retired.I have a lee 9mm hand loader you can start with. And 270 win hand loader.
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Post by: QUIETShooter on April 24, 2021, 05:02:30 PM
I have a lee 9mm hand loader you can start with. And 270 win hand loader.
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Thanks for the offer but I don't have 9mm or a 270. But I was thinking of a simple handloader for .44 Mag just to get started.
Post by: aletheuo137 on April 25, 2021, 06:44:23 AM
Lee Precision 44 Mag Loader
https://www.amazon.com/LEE-PRECISION-44-Mag-Loader/dp/B00162TI4A/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=lee+classic+hand+loader+44&qid=1619368952&sprefix=lee+classic+handlo&sr=8-1
I started out reloading this way.
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Post by: QUIETShooter on April 25, 2021, 12:40:14 PM
Here is a link:
Lee Precision 44 Mag Loader
https://www.amazon.com/LEE-PRECISION-44-Mag-Loader/dp/B00162TI4A/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=lee+classic+hand+loader+44&qid=1619368952&sprefix=lee+classic+handlo&sr=8-1
I started out reloading this way.
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Thanks for the link!
This is exactly what I had in mind just to start off, and I've watched a bit of videos on this type of beginning handloader. Also the investment is minimal just in case I realize hand loading is not my cup of tea, which I sincerely doubt.
Should be enough to just load range ammo and since it's a revolver round I don't think one have to be as meticulous when loading initially.
Post by: aletheuo137 on April 25, 2021, 02:12:24 PM
Thanks for the link!Good luck and be safe!
This is exactly what I had in mind just to start off, and I've watched a bit of videos on this type of beginning handloader. Also the investment is minimal just in case I realize hand loading is not my cup of tea, which I sincerely doubt.
Should be enough to just load range ammo and since it's a revolver round I don't think one have to be as meticulous when loading initially.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 25, 2021, 02:23:17 PM
What did your firearms ever do to you? :geekdanc:
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 25, 2021, 03:04:41 PM
Good luck and be safe!
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Thanks!
Post by: QUIETShooter on April 25, 2021, 03:13:28 PM
I keep seeing, "I Want to Shoot My Firearms..." pop up in my Unread Posts list.
What did your firearms ever do to you? :geekdanc:
Besides making a dent in my pocketbook? Not much, Lol! But I do always blame them for missing the targets.... :rofl:
Come to think of it, if I ever did try to "shoot them" out of frustration I'd probably miss. ;D
Post by: mauiblue on May 11, 2021, 08:23:41 PM
I'll just sit on my ammo and see what happens in the future. Hopefully this shortage and liberal climate will change for the better.
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