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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: pewpewgoesthegun on June 08, 2021, 09:48:11 PM
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Howzit gang - looking into getting an entry level bolt action, probably in 22. Any recommendations? The Savage MkII seems like a decent option from the little research I've done... Appreciate your input :shaka:
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CZ 457 is pretty good I have one of the previous models.
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I’m looking to buy a 22 also. Been debating over the CZ 457 Varmint “at one” or the Tikka T1X. Didn’t want to spend a fortune initially but both have a lot of upgrade options.
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Ruger Precision .22LR,
Pros - accurate, never had any failures to feed or fire. Eats any ammo I put in it.
Cons - very heavy, fit and finish are a bit rough, ugly as hell, ruger rotary mags are a bit fussy to load - Maglula just came out with a speed loader to help with that.
They had a good price point when they first came out, but since then have become very popular and the price climbed.
(https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/58475-DEFAULT-l.jpg)
(https://franken-arms.de/images/product_images/original_images/Maglula_Ruger_1022_1.jpg)
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Ruger American rimfire. mine came like a Predator model with the threaded barrel, shiny blueing, fatter barrel. i changed to a Boyd's wood stock. it is very accurate. adjustable trigger 3-5 lbs.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49530466301_45a2d21aba_b.jpg)
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Rugers are good.
I had a chance to experience the savage MK2 also. I was impressed with it.
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The Savage MKII has long been on my want list. I've shot a number of them over the years that friends own and they are fun guns to shoot, a great price, and overall solid rifles. Just never really had the burning need to get one, but the recent ammo craziness has renewed my interest in a 22 rifle. That and I have a nice Vortex scope that came off my .308 bolt gun that needs a home. ;D
I've been looking at the CZ offerings recently too and they seem like solid rifles. I've shot one for a few rounds. I would say the Savage is still leading. I am also open to a 10/22 as well. Those are tried and true, and super fun rifles.
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Ruger Precision .22LR,
Pros - accurate, never had any failures to feed or fire. Eats any ammo I put in it.
Cons - very heavy, fit and finish are a bit rough, ugly as hell, ruger rotary mags are a bit fussy to load - Maglula just came out with a speed loader to help with that.
They had a good price point when they first came out, but since then have become very popular and the price climbed.
(https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/prodimages/58475-DEFAULT-l.jpg)
(https://franken-arms.de/images/product_images/original_images/Maglula_Ruger_1022_1.jpg)
I have 1. Mrs. CMO bought it for my bday. I actually like the way it looks. I'm not a fan of wood type stocks.
Performance, it keeps up with my friends kidd that cost of $1K. IIRC we got the RPRR for about $450 (precovid) So I would call this a tack driver because my 22 skills isn't that great but I was able to make rounds touch at 50 yards with no rear bag. And using CCI SV ammo (cheap ammo).
My 10/22 ruger mag works fine and the safety control is like an AR, so there's familiarity there.
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I have 1. Mrs. CMO bought it for my bday. I actually like the way it looks. I'm not a fan of wood type stocks.
Performance, it keeps up with my friends kidd that cost of $1K. IIRC we got the RPRR for about $450 (precovid) So I would call this a tack driver because my 22 skills isn't that great but I was able to make rounds touch at 50 yards with no rear bag. And using CCI SV ammo (cheap ammo).
My 10/22 ruger mag works fine and the safety control is like an AR, so there's familiarity there.
They became a very popular choice. Friend of mine gushed about how accurate his was with even with the cheapest dirtiest ammo so I bought one. More I went to Kokohead the more and more I saw them showing up. Got almost comical where every third person was shooting one when the range was full for a while.
It's a 'I know the rifle shoots way better than I ever will' kinda thing. Almost feels like cheating.
Edit- I consider it an easy on the wallet purchase, just add glass, it's already 'hot rodded' no need to add after market anything. Some company is making super expensive stainless match barrels for them. No clue why you would need one.
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They became a very popular choice. Friend of mine gushed about how accurate his was with even with the cheapest dirtiest ammo so I bought one. More I went to Kokohead the more and more I saw them showing up. Got almost comical where every third person was shooting one when the range was full for a while.
It's a 'I know the rifle shoots way better than I ever will' kinda thing. Almost feels like cheating.
Edit- I consider it an easy on the wallet purchase, just add glass, it's already 'hot rodded' no need to add after market anything. Some company is making super expensive stainless match barrels for them. No clue why you would need one.
I saw a few after market barrels and it's performance doesn't justify their price. But to each their own.
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Howzit gang - looking into getting an entry level bolt action, probably in 22. Any recommendations? The Savage MkII seems like a decent option from the little research I've done... Appreciate your input :shaka:
I would say buy once, cry once.
What do you want to get out of the 22? Like tac driver, silly side shooting, just cause ammo's cheap, etc...
If you're looking for a tac driver, then the RPRR is a very affordable one. $400ish vs. a $1K+ KIDD 22. (Precovid prices). I've seen a guy with the magpul 22 takedown and his grouping at 50yards was like a shotgun. Had holes all over the 10 inch target while bench shooting.
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I have shot a handful of CZ .22s,
Pros- they are beautiful works of art, very well made and very accurate.
Cons- Spare mags are very expensive $35+ each.
CZ semi-auto .22s I personally would pass on, I know someone who owns one with serious failure to eject issues. Gunsmith still scratching his head why.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP3cCItymnw
compares the Ruger American rimfire to the Ruger Precision rimfire
the precision, like the centerfire precision, is based off the American action and receiver. very similar. differences are barrel length, chasis, among other things
my intended use is not precision shooting, but just plinking mostly at the silhouette range. for that purpose it is more than adequate. i can take out the small 2" targets at 100m consistently. 2" targets at 50m, i cant miss. :thumbsup:
being that i'm just plinking, and i like the look of the boyd's wood stock, I opted for the American rimfire. suits my needs perfectly
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https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/22-target-commercial/ (https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/22-target-commercial/)
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Thanks to an unnamed associate who introduced Rockette to .22 rifles (rhymes with Tom_E) the classic Lever Action Octagon Frontier .22 available in S/L/LR (our choice), 22 Magnum and 17HMR is accurately tons of fun.
Though it's not a bolt action, we regularly cut cards with this beautiful wood stock octi bbl
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Savage, Ruger, CZ.
Can’t really lose with any of them unless you get the rare “bad” one.
Never shot a CZ but the reputation is what it is.
Savage and Ruger both shot beautifully.
Savage plastic stocks have a low cheek weld, I prefer the wood on the savages. (Got 3 of them - 22lr and 17 hmr)
Happy hunting and enjoy the silhouette side. :shaka:
Edit:
:rofl:
See comment below.
Dammit....you caught that Mac... :wave:
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Savage, Ruger, CZ.
Can’t really lose with any of them unless you get the rare “bad” one.
Never shot a CZ but the reputation is what it is.
Savage and Ruger both shot beautifully.
Savage plastic stocks have a low cheek weld, I prefer the wood on the savages. (Got 3 of them - 22lr and 17 hmr)
Happy hunting and enjoy the silhouette side. :shaka:
heads
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I have the factory cerakote 16” American rimfire .22LR and I really like it. It uses the same magazines as my 10/22 takedown.
It’s model 8376.
They have all sorts of nice 18” models, like stainless and camo also.
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https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/22-target-commercial/ (https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/22-target-commercial/)
Do I need to start a non-profit to qualify for that pricing? Its almost half of MSRP. Now I want one.
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Do I need to start a non-profit to qualify for that pricing? Its almost half of MSRP. Now I want one.
Join HRA?
https://ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index.php?do=clubDisplay&club=1504
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Dang, lot of replies, mahalo everyone! Funny, I've been looking between the Savage, CZ and Ruger. The cheapskate in me was thinking the CZ 457 & Ruger Precision were a little high for what I'm wanting to spend on it (seeing $500+), but I'm reading they're reliable and consistent.
I would say buy once, cry once.
What do you want to get out of the 22? Like tac driver, silly side shooting, just cause ammo's cheap, etc...
If you're looking for a tac driver, then the RPRR is a very affordable one. $400ish vs. a $1K+ KIDD 22. (Precovid prices). I've seen a guy with the magpul 22 takedown and his grouping at 50yards was like a shotgun. Had holes all over the 10 inch target while bench shooting.
I don't disagree with the buy once, cry once mindset. However, I just want to get my feet wet with bolt actions, so I don't want to buy one, not like it and have to get rid of it. If I do end up liking it, I'd probably get one in a larger caliber. I'm looking for more of a fun/test gun instead of a tac driver at the moment. Something like this - cheap and comes with a scope:
https://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=98727&utm_source=gun.deals&utm_medium=Product%20Feed&avad=211021_d22383f35 (https://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=98727&utm_source=gun.deals&utm_medium=Product%20Feed&avad=211021_d22383f35)
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Savage, Ruger, CZ.
Can’t really lose with any of them unless you get the rare “bad” one.
Never shot a CZ but the reputation is what it is.
Savage and Ruger both shot beautifully.
Savage plastic stocks have a low cheek weld, I prefer the wood on the savages. (Got 3 of them - 22lr and 17 hmr)
Happy hunting and enjoy the silhouette side. :shaka:
Edit:
:rofl:
See comment below.
Dammit....you caught that Mac... :wave:
Hmm, didn't take the low cheek weld into consideration...thanks :shaka:
I have the factory cerakote 16” American rimfire .22LR and I really like it. It uses the same magazines as my 10/22 takedown.
It’s model 8376.
They have all sorts of nice 18” models, like stainless and camo also.
Was looking at the 8334, nice to hear that it can use 10/22 mags.
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Join HRA?
https://ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index.php?do=clubDisplay&club=1504
Pretty sure I am a dues paid current member. Guess I need to figure out who to reach out to to get a letter.
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Dang, lot of replies, mahalo everyone! Funny, I've been looking between the Savage, CZ and Ruger. The cheapskate in me was thinking the CZ 457 & Ruger Precision were a little high for what I'm wanting to spend on it (seeing $500+), but I'm reading they're reliable and consistent.
I don't disagree with the buy once, cry once mindset. However, I just want to get my feet wet with bolt actions, so I don't want to buy one, not like it and have to get rid of it. If I do end up liking it, I'd probably get one in a larger caliber. I'm looking for more of a fun/test gun instead of a tac driver at the moment. Something like this - cheap and comes with a scope:
https://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=98727&utm_source=gun.deals&utm_medium=Product%20Feed&avad=211021_d22383f35 (https://www.kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=98727&utm_source=gun.deals&utm_medium=Product%20Feed&avad=211021_d22383f35)
In that case, you can buy any 10/22 under $400 and be OK. I remember seeing a ruger for about $250 (precovid) in Vegas that had a cheap scope on it.
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Dang, lot of replies, mahalo everyone! Funny, I've been looking between the Savage, CZ and Ruger. The cheapskate in me was thinking the CZ 457 & Ruger Precision were a little high for what I'm wanting to spend on it (seeing $500+), but I'm reading they're reliable and consistent.
I don't disagree with the buy once, cry once mindset. However, I just want to get my feet wet with bolt actions, so I don't want to buy one, not like it and have to get rid of it. If I do end up liking it, I'd probably get one in a larger caliber. I'm looking for more of a fun/test gun instead of a tac driver at the moment. Something like this - cheap and comes with a scope:
Depends on what your interests/goals are. Mine are generally as a plinker and fun gun to shoot, with a trainer aspect. Some shooting buddies are more into the 22 precision and NRL aspect. As much as I am into centerfire bolt guns and loading, they keep telling me that the .22 lr market is way more "dangerous". When I was researching bolt gun chassis, I came across a bunch of YTers with the same chassis that I am thinking about for centerfire for .22 lr action. Same for scopes. One guy had a ZC scope on his .22 lr, which was better glass than on his 6mm bolt guns. :o
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someone here has a very expensive Remington 40x converted into an M40.
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Depends on what your interests/goals are. Mine are generally as a plinker and fun gun to shoot, with a trainer aspect. Some shooting buddies are more into the 22 precision and NRL aspect. As much as I am into centerfire bolt guns and loading, they keep telling me that the .22 lr market is way more "dangerous". When I was researching bolt gun chassis, I came across a bunch of YTers with the same chassis that I am thinking about for centerfire for .22 lr action. Same for scopes. One guy had a ZC scope on his .22 lr, which was better glass than on his 6mm bolt guns. :o
The scope on my 22 cost more than the rifle. But I got it for free from my uncle. Rifle $400ish. Scope $700 back in early 2000s from Young Guns (had the receipt in the box).
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In that case, you can buy any 10/22 under $400 and be OK. I remember seeing a ruger for about $250 (precovid) in Vegas that had a cheap scope on it.
Yeah, looking at the Ruger American. I have a 15-22 so no interest in a 10/22 at the moment.
Depends on what your interests/goals are. Mine are generally as a plinker and fun gun to shoot, with a trainer aspect. Some shooting buddies are more into the 22 precision and NRL aspect. As much as I am into centerfire bolt guns and loading, they keep telling me that the .22 lr market is way more "dangerous". When I was researching bolt gun chassis, I came across a bunch of YTers with the same chassis that I am thinking about for centerfire for .22 lr action. Same for scopes. One guy had a ZC scope on his .22 lr, which was better glass than on his 6mm bolt guns. :o
Just looking for a cheaper bolt action for plinking. Don't envision modding it in the near future, so totally fine with an entry level one.
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See if you can check out the savage mkii BV.
https://www.guncritic.com/product/savage-arms-mark-ii/savage-arms-mark-ii-bv-22-lr-bolt-action-rifle
My daughter and I love it.
One of the firearms on our do not sell list.
However, we did pick up a dedicated PSA .22 upper that’s becoming another Fam Fave.
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Pretty sure I am a dues paid current member. Guess I need to figure out who to reach out to to get a letter.
A letter? You should have a membership card you can copy to show you're a member.
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In that case, you can buy any 10/22 under $400 and be OK. I remember seeing a ruger for about $250 (precovid) in Vegas that had a cheap scope on it.
10/22 =/= bolt action
Re: Bolt Action 22 Recommendations
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I don't disagree with the buy once, cry once mindset. However, I just want to get my feet wet with bolt actions, so I don't want to buy one, not like it and have to get rid of it. If I do end up liking it, I'd probably get one in a larger caliber. I'm looking for more of a fun/test gun instead of a tac driver at the moment. Something like this - cheap and comes with a scope:
IMO a good quality .22 LR bolt gun is probably one of the best investments you can make.
1) you don't chew thru a box of ammo as fast because you are cycling a bolt, that extra bit of work tends to make me focus a LOT more to make a shot 'count'. That slower tempo makes range days more enjoyable, you look around at the beauty of the crater, talk to bench neighbors more, you can camp a bench for a good long while and really enjoy the day.
2) it's fun as he'll with a high childhood nostalgia factor. BB / pellet guns and .22LRs are usually your first introduction to the culture/ sport. I giggle like a kid when it get one of those Itty bitty bullets to go really far and hit where it is supposed to. Everything seems to get a lot more serious and a little less 'fun' when shooting bigger more expensive calibers. Also I often warm up with .22 to get a groove going before unboxing a bigger rifle at the bench.
3) a serious Bench Rest shooters advice to me about becoming a better rifle Marksman was 'Shoot a LOT of .22LR ammo, all the same factors that go into long range shooting are there, bullet drop, windage, but are more exaggerated in a smaller distance. You won't learn about ballistics and scope doping firing flat shooting calibers at ranges that only go out to 100 yrds like Kokohead'.
I won't tell someone else how to spend their money, but I have no buyers remorse investing in a tack driving 22, it's my most fired rifle by a 20 fold round count. I will certainly get all my money back out of it.
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IMO a good quality .22 LR bolt gun is probably one of the best investments you can make.
1) you don't chew thru a box of ammo as fast because you are cycling a bolt, that extra bit of work tends to make me focus a LOT more to make a shot 'count'. That slower tempo makes range days more enjoyable, you look around at the beauty of the crater, talk to bench neighbors more, you can camp a bench for a good long while and really enjoy the day.
2) it's fun as he'll with a high childhood nostalgia factor. BB / pellet guns and .22LRs are usually your first introduction to the culture/ sport. I giggle like a kid when it get one of those Itty bitty bullets to go really far and hit its where it is supposed to. Everything seems to get a lot more serious and a little less 'fun' when shooting bigger more expensive calibers. Also I often warm up with .22 to get a groove going before unboxing a bigger rifle at the bench.
3) a serious Bench Rest shooters advice to me about becoming a better rifle Marksman was 'Shoot a LOT of .22LR ammo, all the same factors that go into long range shooting are there, bullet drop, windage, but are more exaggerated in a smaller distance. You won't learn about ballistics and scope doping firing flat shooting calibers at ranges that only go out to 100 yrds like Kokohead'.
I won't tell someone else how to spend their money, but I have no buyers remorse investing in a tack driving 22, it's my most fired rifle by a 20 fold round count. I will certainly get all my money back out of it.
That's true, I've shot a lot more out of my 22s than their bigger brothers...like you said, it's more fun (and cheaper). I guess it all depends what these rifles offer. If something cheaper like a MkII or Ruger American is a solid rifle, that's good enough for me honestly.
Good point on using 22s to learn about windage/elevation though, this gun should be a good tool to practice with.
See if you can check out the savage mkii BV.
https://www.guncritic.com/product/savage-arms-mark-ii/savage-arms-mark-ii-bv-22-lr-bolt-action-rifle
My daughter and I love it.
One of the firearms on our do not sell list.
However, we did pick up a dedicated PSA .22 upper that’s becoming another Fam Fave.
That's good to hear, I'll look into that, thanks!
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pewpew-
any of the recommended rifles will serve you well
As it is with most things in life, "It's not the tool, it's the fool behind the tool"
:D
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Probably not a bad idea to be budget conscious on the rifle because next you'll need a .22LR Pistol to continue on the fun times carnival games train and those things do need an extra hundred or two dollars to really dial in for maximum fun.
But maybe that's just me.
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pewpew-
any of the recommended rifles will serve you well
As it is with most things in life, "It's not the tool, it's the fool behind the tool"
:D
Agree 100% :shaka:
Probably not a bad idea to be budget conscious on the rifle because next you'll need a .22LR Pistol to continue on the fun times carnival games train and those things do need an extra hundred or two dollars to really dial in for maximum fun.
But maybe that's just me.
Luckily I have my 22 pistol already, but I'm also looking into the possibly of getting a 9mm. I moved that down the priority list since the 22 bolt action is cheaper and I have a ammo for it ;D
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10/22 =/= bolt action
Re: Bolt Action 22 Recommendations
Good to know. Thanks. I'm still new to the 22 game.
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IMO a good quality .22 LR bolt gun is probably one of the best investments you can make.
1) you don't chew thru a box of ammo as fast because you are cycling a bolt, that extra bit of work tends to make me focus a LOT more to make a shot 'count'. That slower tempo makes range days more enjoyable, you look around at the beauty of the crater, talk to bench neighbors more, you can camp a bench for a good long while and really enjoy the day.
2) it's fun as he'll with a high childhood nostalgia factor. BB / pellet guns and .22LRs are usually your first introduction to the culture/ sport. I giggle like a kid when it get one of those Itty bitty bullets to go really far and hit where it is supposed to. Everything seems to get a lot more serious and a little less 'fun' when shooting bigger more expensive calibers. Also I often warm up with .22 to get a groove going before unboxing a bigger rifle at the bench.
3) a serious Bench Rest shooters advice to me about becoming a better rifle Marksman was 'Shoot a LOT of .22LR ammo, all the same factors that go into long range shooting are there, bullet drop, windage, but are more exaggerated in a smaller distance. You won't learn about ballistics and scope doping firing flat shooting calibers at ranges that only go out to 100 yrds like Kokohead'.
I won't tell someone else how to spend their money, but I have no buyers remorse investing in a tack driving 22, it's my most fired rifle by a 20 fold round count. I will certainly get all my money back out of it.
1 time at the silly side, someone left the boar out. Probably about 200+ yards. I was able to hit it with my RPRR on the 1st shot. I held high to the last mil dot on my scope that is zero'd to 50. At 100yrds, I'm holding 2 mil dots high.
The only down side to your #1 response was when HDF had a 22 skill builder. My bolt action was significantly slower when engaging multiple targets. Others were running semi auto 22s.
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I have a CZ 457 Varmint and love it. Put it in a Boyd’s at one thumbhole stock but haven’t shot it with that yet.
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PCP Benji Disco .22 cal. No need pay HAZMAT when buying ammo. Amazon sell too :thumbsup:
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The scope on my 22 cost more than the rifle. But I got it for free from my uncle. Rifle $400ish. Scope $700 back in early 2000s from Young Guns (had the receipt in the box).
For glass to cost more than the gun is common. My opinion is expect that gap to be larger for precision. At least that's the case for my bolt gun, and will likely be the case for my .22lr rifle. But can't argue with free.
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Yeah, looking at the Ruger American. I have a 15-22 so no interest in a 10/22 at the moment.
Just looking for a cheaper bolt action for plinking. Don't envision modding it in the near future, so totally fine with an entry level one.
About where I want. While I don't intend on modding, who knows. I didn't intend on going that far with my Rem 700 until I started shooting it again recently. But is fun ;D
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PCP Benji Disco .22 cal. No need pay HAZMAT when buying ammo. Amazon sell too :thumbsup:
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But no smell of gunpowder.
I love the smell of gunpowder in the morning......
It smells like...victory.
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But no smell of gunpowder.
I love the smell of gunpowder in the morning......
It smells like...victory.
Put a spent cartridge in each nostril, problem solved?
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Put a spent cartridge in each nostril, problem solved?
(http://bobanddoug.com.s3-website.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/pics/beauty_clark.jpg)
I hear you can turn ammo cartridges into incense, but you might want to let someone else light it. :thumbsup: :geekdanc:
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A letter? You should have a membership card you can copy to show you're a member.
Instructions I read on the CMP page say you must have an FFL sumbit a letter to them to arrange for purchase via that program.
I found retailers with a slightly higher price point so getting it thru CMP to save $20-25 dollars probably isnt worth the hoops unless you were a club buying 10 of em.
Also "All affiliates must certify rifles purchased under this programwill be used in a junior shooting program
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Put a spent cartridge in each nostril, problem solved?
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ya needs the bang sound too
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Instructions I read on the CMP page say you must have an FFL sumbit a letter to them to arrange for purchase via that program.
I found retailers with a slightly higher price point so getting it thru CMP to save $20-25 dollars probably isnt worth the hoops unless you were a club buying 10 of em.
Also "All affiliates must certify rifles purchased under this programwill be used in a junior shooting program
The FFL requirement is unrelated to the affiliated club requirement.
I don't see where an FFL sends a "letter," but rather the standard copy of the FFL's signed license, which must include the standard FFL info:
For the rifles shown on this page, you must provide a signed copy of the FFL of
the gun dealer who agrees to receive the rifle and deliver it to the applicant.
For the FFL holder, please make sure to provide their name, complete shipping
address, telephone number and email address (if available). The rifles advertised
on this page will not be shipped directly to your home.
https://thecmp.org/sales-and-service/22-target-commercial/
All the requirements and procedures for an individual to participate in the CMP Affiliate Rifle Purchase Program are detailed in the application:
CMP Individual Rifle Purchase Program Order Form – Direct Payment
https://thecmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/IndividualDirectPlan.pdf
The stated purpose of the program is to advance target training for junior shooters. You can purchase as an individual that's a member of an approved affiliate, or an affiliated organization can place the order. Individuals are not allowed to purchase the SAVAGE MARK I-FVT or the MARK II JUNIOR SMALLBORE Rifle.
The process in the application says to send no money with the application. Your application will be reviewed along with affiliate eligibility. If approved, you'll be sent a CMP Certificate of Eligibility and Purchase Instructions. You'll make payment directly to the vendor. I don't know if they offer a choice from a list of vendors, or if they provide single vendor to buy from. Regardless, you can easily determine if you qualify by sending in your application. Only costs a little time, a stamp and an envelope. If you're approved, you can decide whether or not to actually purchase when you find out which vendor/s are authorized and what their prices are.
I have no direct experience doing this, but it's not much different than the hoops you jump through for surplus rifles. Just pull up the application and follow the instructions. If you have questions, go to the associated webpages and read the details.
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