Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2021, 11:16:31 AM
So effective Jan 1st is the ETA.
How you call gonna carry it? Open, concealled, IWB, AIWB, ankle, etc...
Post by: stangzilla on June 23, 2021, 11:30:48 AM
just buy one and we are good to carry?
if so i would carry OWB or IWB depending on what i'm wearing. or in the pocket if there is such a thing. haven't really looked into tasers
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2021, 11:43:30 AM
we don't need any registration or permit?
just buy one and we are good to carry?
if so i would carry OWB or IWB depending on what i'm wearing. or in the pocket if there is such a thing. haven't really looked into tasers
No reg or permit required to buy or carry. HPD actually testified that they cannot handle the work load if reg was required. But I'm sure good ole Rhodes will amend to add this in later.
The seller is the one who needs permitting from HPD. Which means you cannot transfer possession without said permit.
Post by: stangzilla on June 23, 2021, 12:15:32 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2021, 12:18:30 PM
would a stun gun be allowed?
Any electric gun or device that passes a current into someone else and is mobile. So a TENS unit also falls under such definition.
Post by: groveler on June 23, 2021, 12:26:08 PM
So the taser bill is not on Ige's veto list.I concealed carried in WA state for 18 or so years.
So effective Jan 1st is the ETA.
How you call gonna carry it? Open, concealled, IWB, AIWB, ankle, etc...
My favorite was small of the back PPK/S
I'll do the same with a TASER.
I also carry a multi-tool.
I don't call cops. :thumbsup:
Post by: drck1000 on June 23, 2021, 12:39:56 PM
So the taser bill is not on Ige's veto list.When you get one, can we test it on you? And get video?
So effective Jan 1st is the ETA.
How you call gonna carry it? Open, concealled, IWB, AIWB, ankle, etc...
Post by: aletheuo137 on June 23, 2021, 12:47:32 PM
When you get one, can we test it on you? And get video?It's electrifying!!!
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Post by: drck1000 on June 23, 2021, 12:58:47 PM
It's electrifying!!!I've been "test tazed". I'm sure it was entertaining for those who witnessed. :-X
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I've seen videos of when a couple of college buddies went through training with tazers. One of them is built like bowling ball. He went charging and zap, down face plant. It was pretty amazing actually. ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2021, 01:11:45 PM
When you get one, can we test it on you? And get video?
Since all you older fakkas have an older heart, I guess I would be the guinea pig.
Don't forget to ask your doctor if you're healthy enough for the blue pill too.
Post by: Glasser on June 23, 2021, 01:13:20 PM
Post by: drck1000 on June 23, 2021, 01:14:06 PM
Since all you older fakkas have an older heart, I guess I would be the guinea pig.Quoting for OQE :thumbsup:
Don't forget to ask your doctor if you're healthy enough for the blue pill too.
Post by: aletheuo137 on June 23, 2021, 01:22:48 PM
Since all you older fakkas have an older heart, I guess I would be the guinea pig.My son in the military sent a video of he blowing himself up! The reason for most of my grey hairs and stress lines!
Don't forget to ask your doctor if you're healthy enough for the blue pill too.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2021, 01:27:40 PM
Quoting for OQE :thumbsup:
1 HIFICO director posted a vid of himself getting OC"d. So I'm gonna assume tasing will be next.
Post by: drck1000 on June 23, 2021, 01:34:03 PM
1 HIFICO director posted a vid of himself getting OC"d. So I'm gonna assume tasing will be next.Gonna be WAY more funny to see you getting tazed. . . just sayin'
:rofl:
Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2021, 01:35:08 PM
Gonna be WAY more funny to see you getting tazed. . . just sayin'
:rofl:
It would activate the tourrettes. HEADDDSSS, HEADDDDSSS, HEADDDDSSS
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 23, 2021, 01:48:50 PM
So the taser bill is not on Ige's veto list.Are you sure about that date?
So effective Jan 1st is the ETA.
How you call gonna carry it? Open, concealled, IWB, AIWB, ankle, etc...
According to the text of the bill HB891, it becomes effective July 1. 2021.
Also, according to the Governor's official "intent to veto" release,
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All measures listed below are subject to veto. Any measures passed by the
Hawai‘i State Legislature this session that are not on this list will become law with
or without my signature no later than July 6. The measures on the Intent to Veto List
are deemed objectionable because of concerns about legality, practicality of
implementation and/or lack of transparency.
https://governor.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Intent-to-Veto-LIST.docx
Post by: aletheuo137 on June 23, 2021, 01:51:02 PM
https://youtu.be/ClwIj3x24Q4
Very dangerous! You go first!
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Post by: changemyoil66 on June 23, 2021, 01:51:15 PM
Are you sure about that date?
According to the text of the bill HB891, it becomes effective July 1. 2021.
Also, according to the Governor's official "intent to veto" release,
https://governor.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Intent-to-Veto-LIST.docx
I'm not sure, just what I was told. I know HPD also testified they needed more time to get the proper forms ready for sellers.
Also IDK if someone could tase someone else in a training scenario. I don't remember if can or no can. But I do know as written, if a trainer uses a TENS unit on someone else, that would be illegal.
Post by: 6716J on June 23, 2021, 01:58:37 PM
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2021/bills/HB891_SD2_.HTM is what I got from the legislature website.
It states that we have to have a background check performed....
(f) Before completing a sale, distribution, or other transfer of an electric gun, the licensee or an employee of the licensee shall conduct a criminal history background check of the recipient. At minimum, the criminal history background check shall be a name-based search of the adult criminal conviction records maintained by the Hawaii criminal justice data center. The licensee or employee of the licensee shall require the recipient to review a printed copy of the results of the background check. After the review, the recipient shall sign and date a declaration. The declaration shall be in the following form: "I, (name of recipient), declare under penalty of law that the attached document accurately reflects my adult criminal conviction history in Hawaii. I further declare that I do not have any convictions or charges pending against me that disqualify me from owning an electric gun. I further declare under penalty of law that I am not disqualified from owning an electric gun." The licensee or employee of the licensee shall witness the recipient sign the declaration and sign the declaration as a witness. If the recipient is disqualified from owning an electric gun, or refuses or is unable to sign or make the declaration, the licensee shall immediately terminate the sale, distribution, or transfer.
The flip side is that it should be this easy to obtain a firearm. Just like in the majority of states.
Also what would be the effective date we could purchase in Hawaii? Is it July 1st or would it be Jan 1, 2022?
Post by: drck1000 on June 23, 2021, 02:04:18 PM
I'm not sure, just what I was told. I know HPD also testified they needed more time to get the proper forms ready for sellers.Oh no you don't. No one does anything illegal here, but we are gonna see you tazed. . . ;D
Also IDK if someone could tase someone else in a training scenario. I don't remember if can or no can. But I do know as written, if a trainer uses a TENS unit on someone else, that would be illegal.
Post by: aieahound on June 23, 2021, 02:16:24 PM
“
§134-B Restrictions on use, sale, offer for sale, distribution, and transfer of electric guns and cartridges. (a) Beginning January 1, 2022, it shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly or recklessly use an electric gun for any purpose except:
(1) Self-defense;
(2) Defense of another person; or
(3) Protection of property of the person or of another person.”
“ §134-C License to sell, offer to sell, distribute, or otherwise transfer electric guns or cartridges; fee. (a) Beginning January 1, 2022, any person desiring to sell, offer to sell, distribute, or otherwise transfer electric guns or cartridges to a person in the State, either at wholesale or retail, shall annually file an application for a license to do so with the county
Post by: 6716J on June 23, 2021, 02:20:26 PM
I don’t know the dates for sure but there a few references to January 1, 2022 in the bill
“
§134-B Restrictions on use, sale, offer for sale, distribution, and transfer of electric guns and cartridges. (a) Beginning January 1, 2022, it shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly or recklessly use an electric gun for any purpose except:
(1) Self-defense;
(2) Defense of another person; or
(3) Protection of property of the person or of another person.”
“ §134-C License to sell, offer to sell, distribute, or otherwise transfer electric guns or cartridges; fee. (a) Beginning January 1, 2022, any person desiring to sell, offer to sell, distribute, or otherwise transfer electric guns or cartridges to a person in the State, either at wholesale or retail, shall annually file an application for a license to do so with the county
So what you're telling us is that between July 1st and January 1st, it's open season on everyone.... ;) ;D :shake:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on June 23, 2021, 02:23:15 PM
What 134-C states is:
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§134-C License to sell, offer to sell, distribute, or otherwise transfer electric guns or cartridges; fee. (a) Any
person desiring to sell, offer to sell, distribute, or otherwise transfer electric guns or cartridges to a person in the State,
either at wholesale or retail, shall annually file an application for a license to do so with the county in which the
person desires to conduct business or within the county to which the person intends the electric guns or cartridges to be sold,
offered for sale, distributed, or otherwise transferred using forms prescribed by the county
The clause "either at wholesale or retail" is a giant flag to me that the licenses are intended for businesses, not private sales. No private seller has a "wholesale or retail" price structure.
Every paragraph of the licensing portion is written in a way that applies to businesses and their employees. There is no mention at all of private sales.
The paragraph that drives this interpretation home for me is §134-B(c):
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(c) It shall be unlawful for a licensee or employee of a licensee to knowingly sell, offer to sell, distribute, or
otherwise transfer an electric gun or cartridge at a place other than the licensee’s designated place of business.
That place of business is included on the license application. So, how can they limit you to a designated place of business if you aren't actually engaging in sales as a business?
I think "license" and "permit" are not synonymous. Licenses are for businesses, and permits are for everyone else.
That's my interpretation. I'm not a lawyer. Seek advise from someone who knows the answers before taking my interpretation as "the law."
Post by: aieahound on June 23, 2021, 02:25:57 PM
So what you're telling us is that between July 1st and January 1st, it's open season on everyone.... ;) ;D :shake:I’m not saying anything.
That’s what our brilliant legislature wrote. :crazy: :rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on June 23, 2021, 03:50:58 PM
It would activate the tourrettes. HEADDDSSS, HEADDDDSSS, HEADDDDSSSWe can taze him too! Or stand next to him for "support" while you get tazed. . . :rofl:
Post by: aaronc5362 on June 23, 2021, 07:38:11 PM
Well imma have fun with my friends lol. Jk jk
Post by: macsak on June 23, 2021, 10:03:43 PM
Cool. Remember those funny toy tazers.. the ones that looked like old flip phones and bubble gum tin cans... the cell phone hurts.
Well imma have fun with my friends lol. Jk jk
aieahound has experience with those...
Post by: surfmaster on July 07, 2021, 11:39:39 PM
However, it appears you will not be able to legally carry one on your person in public. At least ownership is a good start.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/07/08/hawaii-citizens-can-legally-own-taser-starting-january-1/
Post by: RSN172 on July 08, 2021, 06:22:55 AM
Post by: omnigun on July 08, 2021, 06:26:19 AM
It's official. Effective January 1, 2022, tasers will be legal for purchase for regular citizens.
However, it appears you will not be able to legally carry one on your person in public. At least ownership is a good start.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/07/08/hawaii-citizens-can-legally-own-taser-starting-january-1/
That's a bunch of hogwash. Tasers are not a deadly weapon. I carry a pocket knife and that's arguably more deadly.
Post by: omnigun on July 08, 2021, 06:29:06 AM
Tasers are extremely effective in stopping someone, BUT, I can't see spending several hundred dollars on a very short range single shot weapon if I can only use it at home. In that case I would rather use my Glock or Rottweilers. J Hara Store on the BI sells bear spray, which is another highly effective deterrent with 30 ft range.
They also have non projectile versions. I plan to get one of those.
Post by: oldfart on July 08, 2021, 07:31:05 AM
Post by: 6716J on July 08, 2021, 07:45:50 AM
https://www.axon.com/products/taser-7
https://www.axon.com/products/taser-x2
Both double shot options
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 08, 2021, 08:20:45 AM
Old Mcdonald had a farm........
Eee-eye eee-eye yo....
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 08, 2021, 08:27:58 AM
Our fav senator thinks it does. But the AG's testimony is that it doesn't. Nothing in writing from the AG, just the verbal testimony.
Post by: RSN172 on July 08, 2021, 08:48:03 AM
The question is does the taser fall under HRS134-51 "deadly or dangerous weapon".Same way carrying even one round of ammo and no gun is carrying a deadly weapon. You cannot think rationally. You gotta think stupid, like our Hawaii lawmakers. Only then you will begin to understand their thinking.
Post by: aieahound on July 08, 2021, 09:06:57 AM
10 years if it’s a two shot taser (semi-automatic) ?
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 08, 2021, 09:15:42 AM
Same way carrying even one round of ammo and no gun is carrying a deadly weapon. You cannot think rationally. You gotta think stupid, like our Hawaii lawmakers. Only then you will begin to understand their thinking.
Carrying ammo falls more under the "places to keep" law. Ammo and guns are treated alike. So if you carry any ammo on you, then you need a OC/CCW permit. Same goes with buying ammo, cannot buy from LGS and then go to starbucks after.
Post by: RSN172 on July 08, 2021, 10:42:00 AM
Carrying ammo falls more under the "places to keep" law. Ammo and guns are treated alike. So if you carry any ammo on you, then you need a OC/CCW permit. Same goes with buying ammo, cannot buy from LGS and then go to starbucks after.Oh shit. I cudda gone jail. I wen visit my friend an he wen ask me if I lik one box 12 gauge and 1 box 9MM since he no mo dat kine gun any mo. I wen put um on da floor of my kar behind da front seat an waz driving around wit um fo 4 days. Gud ting I wen take um out.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 08, 2021, 11:18:46 AM
Oh shit. I cudda gone jail. I wen visit my friend an he wen ask me if I lik one box 12 gauge and 1 box 9MM since he no mo dat kine gun any mo. I wen put um on da floor of my kar behind da front seat an waz driving around wit um fo 4 days. Gud ting I wen take um out.
No one here does anything illegal.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 08, 2021, 12:40:49 PM
Their rationale: If you point a taser at a Cop, he is justified in using deadly force. The taser can incapacitate an officer, which puts him in a potentially lethal situation.
So, while the taser itself is rarely the cause of anyone's death, the use of one can create a lethal danger to the person tased.
Flip side of that is, if you can't legally carry a taser, but you can legally carry a handgun (in most states), people will be forced to only carry lethal weapons when they could have chosen less-than-lethal.
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 11, 2021, 12:47:19 PM
We just bought a new oven/range and the delivery guys arrived to install it. They were the typical delivery type guys: friendly, cordial, and big. Huge, towering braddahs.
And I am the typical filipino male. Short, medium build, with a plump stomach. :D
If they were vicious home intruders instead of friendly delivery men I think I would have been killed if I tried to tazer them.
The reason I think so is because of a story a cop told my friend long ago when HPD carried .38 specials in their guns. HPD shot this huge polynesian male (where on the body I don't recall or if it was mentioned).
The polynesian guy yelled Owwwww.....YOU FACKAH....... :shake:
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 11, 2021, 02:26:08 PM
The other day I started thinking about this tazer subject.The amount of rounds expended in a fight is up to the owner.
We just bought a new oven/range and the delivery guys arrived to install it. They were the typical delivery type guys: friendly, cordial, and big. Huge, towering braddahs.
And I am the typical filipino male. Short, medium build, with a plump stomach. :D
If they were vicious home intruders instead of friendly delivery men I think I would have been killed if I tried to tazer them.
The reason I think so is because of a story a cop told my friend long ago when HPD carried .38 specials in their guns. HPD shot this huge polynesian male (where on the body I don't recall or if it was mentioned).
The polynesian guy yelled Owwwww.....YOU FACKAH....... :shake:
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 11, 2021, 03:00:52 PM
The amount of rounds expended in a fight is up to the owner.
Quality, not quantity.
In my Concealed Carry course, we practiced putting 2 in the thoracic cavity first. if the threat was not stopped, put one in the Cranio-Occular Cavity. More simply put, 2 to the chest; if the threat isn't stopped, then 1 to the head.
Emptying your gun into someone wearing a vest or amped up on something like meth isn't the smartest choice. Save some ammo in case there are multiple threats.
Post by: jc2721 on July 11, 2021, 03:09:25 PM