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Title: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: macsak on July 05, 2021, 09:43:11 PM
Oakland Streets Erupt Into ’12 Hours Of Non-Stop Chaos’; Homicides, Shootings, Sideshow Violence
Syndicated Local – CBS San Francisco  7 hrs ago

OAKLAND (CBS SF) — The Fourth of July reeled into “12 hours of non-stop chaos” Sunday night with several victims wounded by celebratory gunfire, a homicide and a massive sideshow marred by gunfire. The night culminated at the sideshow, where more than 200 participants pelted police officers with debris and flashed them with hand-held lasers.

Embattled Oakland Police Chief LeRonne Armstrong told reporters that the level of violence and gunfire overwhelmed his officers.

“If you look at the shoot period of time of 6 hours with 6 shootings, that requires a lot of resources,” Armstrong said. “That was difficult and officers had to run from scene to scene.”

“This was 12 hours of non-stop chaos,” he continued. “This is one of the most violent July 4ths I can remember.”

While celebratory gunfire has been a hallmark of New Year’s Eve and July 4th for years, Armstrong said it reeled completely out of control on Sunday.

“The level of violence is far too high,” he said. “Our officers were stretched and did the best we could. We are dealing with challenges. Celebratory gunfire led to the vast majority of these shooting and injuring others. The last 24 hours has been very difficult in the city of Oakland.”

At one point, there were no ambulances available to help treat the injured.

“That just goes to show you to the level of violence that we were managing that we didn’t have ambulances available to help to come and provide medical support it was taking them a significant amount of time to get there,” Armstrong said. “That even concerned our officers.”

There were 7 shootings overnight, one that claimed the life of a 48-year-old man. An eighth shooting took place at around 9:54 a.m. Monday in the 2400 block of 88th Avenue near MacArthur Boulevard.

Arriving police officers discovered a woman suffering from multiple gunshot wounds. She was rushed to the hospital, but Armstrong said she was not expected to survive.

Here’s a rundown of the 12 hours of chaos

6:55 p.m. in 5700 block Elizabeth Street — an male adult was shot multiple times in his vehicle
9:37 p.m. in the 5400 block of Roberts Avenue — a 16 year old male juvenile with gunshot wounds to the head; In stable condition. The shooting was related to celebratory gunfire activity.
10 p.m. in the 2200 block of 23rd Avenue — 29 year old male adult received multiple gunshot wounds.
10:51 p.m. in the 4200 block of International Blvd — A male adult 45 years old suffered gunshot wound, critically injured and possibly related to celebratory gunshots.
11:49 p.m. in the 4200 block of International Blvd. — An unresponsive adult male suffering from blunt trauma to the head. The victim has since died of his injuries
12:08 a.m. in 7700 block of Bancroft Ave — A 48-year-old adult male suffered multiple gunshots and died at the scene.
12:40 a.m. — A victim walked into a hospital with multiple gunshot wounds.
While they were racing to respond to several reports of shootings, Oakland officers were also confronted with trying to deal with a massive sideshow.

“We encountered a violent and dangerous sideshow with 300 vehicles and 200 spectators with the use of firearms and lasers,” Armstrong said. “It went across the city.”

Police made three arrests related to the sideshow and five weapons were seized. Armstrong said one spectator was struck by a vehicle and suffered severe injuries that could lead to lifelong treatment.

“This is a warm summer,” Armstrong said. “We are at 67 homicides…We have seen violence and shootings continue to occur. It’s a challenging time. Warm weather brings people out. We will have to do something as violence continues. We are losing people at an alarming rate.”
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: Glasser on July 05, 2021, 10:34:28 PM
The Chicago shot count for the 4th of J weekend was up to 97 people earlier today, 6 dead. Lightfoot held a presser to say 'Crime was down'.


Edit - Ooops my bad, only 92 shot, 16 killed, 6 of them children.



https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1412200434341711874
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: Glasser on July 05, 2021, 10:47:26 PM
meanwhile in NYC.

https://twitter.com/_RedWalrus_/status/1411811141928378369
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 05, 2021, 11:26:44 PM
meanwhile in NYC.

https://twitter.com/_RedWalrus_/status/1411811141928378369

And the Left likes to think their cities are the civilized ones compared to the "backward" red cities.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: groveler on July 06, 2021, 06:25:15 AM
And the Left likes to think their cities are the civilized ones compared to the "backward" red cities.
The "Left" doesn't think, they only "Feel".  I learned very early in life, that the world doesn't care about what
I feel, They paid me for what I think and can do for them.
 :geekdanc:
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: oldfart on July 06, 2021, 07:51:51 AM
The "Left" doesn't think, they only "Feel".  I learned very early in life, that the world doesn't care about what
I feel, They paid me for what I think and can do for them.
 :geekdanc:
....
Wow!
Truer words were never spoken.
It seems like our society is divided between the feelers and the doer's.
In the HG Wells classic "Time Machine" he predicted a future where the soft useless Eloi are prancing around gardens, while the Morlocks are doing all the real work. Most of us gun-guys would be Morlocks.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: RSN172 on July 06, 2021, 09:41:39 AM
Oahu getting pretty violent too. My wife lived in Oakland the few years before we got married so I been there quite a few times. That 23rd and International Blvd area has a lot of Chicano gangs. Not a place you want to visit.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 06, 2021, 09:48:59 AM
Must be Trump supporters celebrating the 4th.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 06, 2021, 12:12:38 PM
....
Wow!
Truer words were never spoken.
It seems like our society is divided between the feelers and the doer's.
In the HG Wells classic "Time Machine" he predicted a future where the soft useless Eloi are prancing around gardens, while the Morlocks are doing all the real work. Most of us gun-guys would be Morlocks.

Nom nom nom ....  O0
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: ren on July 06, 2021, 12:54:44 PM
the antithesis to this - funding the police is racist...
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: Glasser on July 06, 2021, 06:08:33 PM
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/7/6/22565781/west-pullman-shooting-mother-daughter-crime-violence-cpd-police-anthony-beale-diane-latiker

15 children shot in a single Chicago drive-by shooting at 4th of July party


Sounds like the work of White Supremacists.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: Glasser on July 06, 2021, 06:19:46 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9762551/New-York-declares-gun-violence-disaster-emergency.html

'We're in a new epidemic': Gov. Cuomo issues first-of-its-kind 'gun violence disaster emergency' targeting manufacturers after 51 people were shot over July 4th weekend


I dunno brah, this sounds way more like a Law Manufacturers problem.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: groveler on July 06, 2021, 06:22:19 PM
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/7/6/22565781/west-pullman-shooting-mother-daughter-crime-violence-cpd-police-anthony-beale-diane-latiker

15 children shot in a single Chicago drive-by shooting at 4th of July party


Sounds like the work of White Supremacists.
Problem is easy to solve.
Americans just don't want to do it.
Democrats want it to continue.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: groveler on July 06, 2021, 06:23:29 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9762551/New-York-declares-gun-violence-disaster-emergency.html

'We're in a new epidemic': Gov. Cuomo issues first-of-its-kind 'gun violence disaster emergency' targeting manufacturers after 51 people were shot over July 4th weekend


I dunno brah, this sounds way more like a Law Manufacturers problem.
Democrat is the problem.  That is it.
 >:(
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on July 06, 2021, 06:27:42 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9762551/New-York-declares-gun-violence-disaster-emergency.html

'We're in a new epidemic': Gov. Cuomo issues first-of-its-kind 'gun violence disaster emergency' targeting manufacturers after 51 people were shot over July 4th weekend


I dunno brah, this sounds way more like a Law Manufacturers problem.

Looks like the BS factory is putting in overtime! 

How many of the shootings involved gun owners who legally purchased their firearms from a dealer? 

Once the gun is sold on the secondhand market (or black market), how are manufacturers responsible?

I wish just ONCE  these gun-grabbing Democrats would draw a dark, straight line from the problem to the cause and then to the solution.

#RootCauses
#ItsAPeopleProblem
#NotAGunProblem
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: Glasser on July 06, 2021, 06:42:35 PM
Looks like the BS factory is putting in overtime! 

How many of the shootings involved gun owners who legally purchased their firearms from a dealer? 

One the gun is sold on the secondhand market (or black market), how are manufacturers responsible?

I wish just ONCE  these gun-grabbing Democrats would draw a dark, straight line from the problem to the cause and then to the solution.

#RootCauses
#ItsAPeopleProblem
#NotAGunProblem

Considering you can go to San Francisco and help yourself to a $1000 worth of stuff and not worry about getting into trouble as you run off with it.  You can grab a nice pistol and a couple boxes of ammo before hitting the money cap.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: Glasser on July 07, 2021, 07:10:15 AM
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1412763374161702912

Police officer and two ATF agents were shot Wednesday morning outside a police station in Mayor Lori Lightfoot's Chicago.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: ren on July 07, 2021, 07:49:05 AM
Perhaps this is part of a plan to disarm the American populace? Defund local police, let crime rise, blame it on guns, public pleads the govt to do something, then they blame and ban all guns. Population experiences more crime, asks govt for more help, govt builds up police force....Govt is back and bigger than ever. Just a thought.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: Kuleana on July 07, 2021, 08:37:40 AM
Perhaps this is part of a plan to disarm the American populace? Defund local police, let crime rise, blame it on guns, public pleads the govt to do something, then they blame and ban all guns. Population experiences more crime, asks govt for more help, govt builds up police force....Govt is back and bigger than ever. Just a thought.
Excellent point.

I know many disagree with my take on the US empire, but everyone needs to remember that it is in the interest of ALL EMPIRES to disarm its population to prevent its citizens from any type of people's revolution.  In America, the people do not control anything anymore, as the ultrawealthy does.  The political parties are the GOOD/BAD COP political apparatus to hide their direct influence, while giving its people, from both those on the left and right, the illusion of a democracy.

The American Republic has been dead, for a long time, and the Power Okole have begun revealing themselves.  Suffice-to-say, it's only going to get worse, as the last of the American patriots die-off, and are replaced with the much younger OG-types and illegal immigrants, who will surrender, to the will of the US empire, and willfully accept being its subject-citizens.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 07, 2021, 09:39:31 AM
Perhaps this is part of a plan to disarm the American populace? Defund local police, let crime rise, blame it on guns, public pleads the govt to do something, then they blame and ban all guns. Population experiences more crime, asks govt for more help, govt builds up police force....Govt is back and bigger than ever. Just a thought.

Holy sh*t, that's a scary scenario but very plausible.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: QUIETShooter on July 07, 2021, 09:46:12 AM
Excellent point.

I know many disagree with my take on the US empire, but everyone needs to remember that it is in the interest of ALL EMPIRES to disarm its population to prevent its citizens from any type of people's revolution.  In America, the people do not control anything anymore, as the ultrawealthy does.  The political parties are the GOOD/BAD COP political apparatus to hide their direct influence, while giving its people, from both those on the left and right, the illusion of a democracy.

The American Republic has been dead, for a long time, and the Power Okole have begun revealing themselves.  Suffice-to-say, it's only going to get worse, as the last of the American patriots die-off, and are replaced with the much younger OG-types and illegal immigrants, who will surrender, to the will of the US empire, and willfully accept being its subject-citizens.

Fack, this is scary too.  Most American patriots are older.  The younger generation are more lemming-like and the flood of illegal immigrants from the open borders will latch on to the teats of the government social welfare programs and never let go.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: RSN172 on July 07, 2021, 09:57:46 AM
Considering you can go to San Francisco and help yourself to a $1000 worth of stuff and not worry about getting into trouble as you run off with it.  You can grab a nice pistol and a couple boxes of ammo before hitting the money cap.
That would certainly be worth the airfare.
Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: groveler on July 07, 2021, 10:42:03 AM
Excellent point.

I know many disagree with my take on the US empire, but everyone needs to remember that it is in the interest of ALL EMPIRES to disarm its population to prevent its citizens from any type of people's revolution.  In America, the people do not control anything anymore, as the ultrawealthy does.  The political parties are the GOOD/BAD COP political apparatus to hide their direct influence, while giving its people, from both those on the left and right, the illusion of a democracy.

The American Republic has been dead, for a long time, and the Power Okole have begun revealing themselves.  Suffice-to-say, it's only going to get worse, as the last of the American patriots die-off, and are replaced with the much younger OG-types and illegal immigrants, who will surrender, to the will of the US empire, and willfully accept being its subject-citizens.
Probably a correct assessment.  Since I have more days behind
me than in front of me, I consider the problems I leave to grand kids.
This is an ages old problem, so I turn to an ancient solution.
Ainokea.

Title: Re: how's that defunding working out for y'all?
Post by: ren on July 07, 2021, 11:30:42 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/weekend-violence-oakland-shootings-safety-emergency (https://www.foxnews.com/us/weekend-violence-oakland-shootings-safety-emergency)

"That is what is concerning. The level of celebratory gunfire is something we haven't seen before," Armstrong said Tuesday. "Does this department need resources? Clearly, we do. We were clearly outnumbered."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nyc-dem-mayoral-nominee-adams-gun-violence-public-health-emergency (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nyc-dem-mayoral-nominee-adams-gun-violence-public-health-emergency)

On Wednesday morning, Adams said, "We have to treat gun violence as a public health emergency. Every agency in this city, in the country, must be part of dealing with gun violence."