Post by: drck1000 on August 09, 2021, 12:20:56 PM
I'm waiting on my custom .308 bolt action, but I have found a great deal on another action. So figured that since I'll be registering the .308 when it's done, might as well make more efficient use of my time and "enjoy" it with HPD. :P
But seriously, I was thinking of eventually going into the 6 mm range eventually, but this good deal may accelerate it. Use will be the same as .308 Win, which is general target shooting, somewhat PRS style as opposed to benchrest or F-Class, with being more efficient at longer range (600 to 1000+ yards). I'll still be focusing on .308 for the time being, but I am excited about venturing into 6 mm range.
I'm thinking 6.5 for many reasons. Cartridge performance is a big one, but also availability of commercial/factory ammo. Yeah, I'll be rolling my own, but good to have some match grade ammo to test with.
Post by: macsak on August 09, 2021, 12:23:39 PM
What are your experiences and thoughts on 6.5 Creedmoor?
I'm waiting on my custom .308 bolt action, but I have found a great deal on another action. So figured that since I'll be registering the .308 when it's done, might as well make more efficient use of my time and "enjoy" it with HPD. :P
But seriously, I was thinking of eventually going into the 6 mm range eventually, but this good deal may accelerate it. Use will be the same as .308 Win, which is general target shooting, somewhat PRS style as opposed to benchrest or F-Class, with being more efficient at longer range (600 to 1000+ yards). I'll still be focusing on .308 for the time being, but I am excited about venturing into 6 mm range.
I'm thinking 6.5 for many reasons. Cartridge performance is a big one, but also availability of commercial/factory ammo. Yeah, I'll be rolling my own, but good to have some match grade ammo to test with.
i own no firearms, ammo, nor reloading components...
Post by: ren on August 09, 2021, 12:25:41 PM
Post by: drck1000 on August 09, 2021, 12:31:30 PM
i own no firearms, ammo, nor reloading components...Why are you here? ???
:crazy:
:rofl:
Post by: drck1000 on August 09, 2021, 12:34:32 PM
I read they are barrel burners like a 22-250Yeah. I read something like 2000-2500 rounds. That sucks. . . None of my close shooting buddies shoot 6.5. One shoots 6.8 and 7 mm Mag, but just started on the 7 mm. One plus of the .308 being "bomb proof", as my current gun builder says. That said, a $350-400 barrel and gunsmith service every so often not that bad compared to the gun itself. Don't even get me started on the $$$ for glass. :(
Post by: ren on August 09, 2021, 12:45:25 PM
i own no firearms, ammo, nor reloading components...
range too far and too expensive....
Post by: drck1000 on August 09, 2021, 01:00:38 PM
Like a super addictive drug. . .
Post by: dv808 on August 09, 2021, 03:56:49 PM
I read they are barrel burners like a 22-250A 22-250 can reach up to 4000fps. You might get up to 2800-2850fps with the 6.5 Creedmoor. I wouldn't put it in the same class as the 22-250. The 308's speed is similar to the Creedmoor's depending on the grain weight.
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Post by: drck1000 on August 09, 2021, 04:02:42 PM
A 22-250 can reach up to 4000fps. You might get up to 2800-2850fps with the 6.5 Creedmoor. I wouldn't put it in the same class as the 22-250. The 308's speed is similar to the Creedmoor's depending on the grain weight.The folks I've been following shoot the .284 Shehane/Wheeler stuff and (don't quote me on this) they are pushing their stuff regularly in the 2800-low 3000 fps range. My current .308 loads are in the meager 2500 fps range. Maybe in the 2600 fps range tops, but out of a 20" barrel. New gun in the works will have a much longer barrel. I'd have to look up the common 6.5 loads, but I do recall that the 6 mm variants are barrel burners. Not the 5000, or even 2-3x that much for .308. Of course reports since I'm probably at around 2000 rounds in my factory gun.
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But wow, 22-250 is pushing 4000 fps! Yikes! I was shooting with one of the black powder guys a while back and he let me shoot is 22.250. I blame him for getting me started down the bolt action rifle road.
Post by: dv808 on August 09, 2021, 04:12:29 PM
The folks I've been following shoot the .284 Shehane/Wheeler stuff and (don't quote me on this) they are pushing their stuff regularly in the 2800-low 3000 fps range. My current .308 loads are in the meager 2500 fps range. Maybe in the 2600 fps range tops, but out of a 20" barrel. New gun in the works will have a much longer barrel. I'd have to look up the common 6.5 loads, but I do recall that the 6 mm variants are barrel burners. Not the 5000, or even 2-3x that much for .308. Of course reports since I'm probably at around 2000 rounds in my factory gun.To me...anything over 3100-3200 will have reduced barrel life. Just take a bit longer between shots. At 2500 rds, that'll still take me a while to burn out the barrel. Just replace it. Unless you're buying carbon Proof barrels, they aren't too pricey. I recently replaced two pre-1964 30-06 barrels that were heavily worn. I have no idea how many rounds my grandfather and father shot through those old hunting rifles. My 22" 6.5 CM only gets 2550fps from factory Hornady ELD-x's that are rated 2700fps. Gotta handload to get anything near 2800fps from mine. At about 50fps/inch, a longer barrel will only realize a moderate increase in speeds.
But wow, 22-250 is pushing 4000 fps! Yikes! I was shooting with one of the black powder guys a while back and he let me shoot is 22.250. I blame him for getting me started down the bolt action rifle road.
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Post by: macsak on August 09, 2021, 04:18:00 PM
The folks I've been following shoot the .284 Shehane/Wheeler stuff and (don't quote me on this) they are pushing their stuff regularly in the 2800-low 3000 fps range. My current .308 loads are in the meager 2500 fps range. Maybe in the 2600 fps range tops, but out of a 20" barrel. New gun in the works will have a much longer barrel. I'd have to look up the common 6.5 loads, but I do recall that the 6 mm variants are barrel burners. Not the 5000, or even 2-3x that much for .308. Of course reports since I'm probably at around 2000 rounds in my factory gun.
But wow, 22-250 is pushing 4000 fps! Yikes! I was shooting with one of the black powder guys a while back and he let me shoot is 22.250. I blame him for getting me started down the bolt action rifle road.
whoa
Post by: drck1000 on August 09, 2021, 04:29:00 PM
To me...anything over 3100-3200 will have reduced barrel life. Just take a bit longer between shots. At 2500 rds, that'll still take me a while to burn out the barrel. Just replace it. Unless you're buying carbon Proof barrels, they aren't too pricey. I recently replaced two pre-1964 30-06 barrels that were heavily worn. I have no idea how many rounds my grandfather and father shot through those old hunting rifles. My 22" 6.5 CM only gets 2550fps from factory Hornady ELD-x's that are rated 2700fps. Gotta handload to get anything near 2800fps from mine. At about 50fps/inch, a longer barrel will only realize a moderate increase in speeds.Yeah, I'm just going off of what folks have told me (2000-2500 rounds) for 6 mm. Some shoot PRS on the mainland, but not my good buddies. So yeah, they probably burn through barrels differently than I would. Yeah, 2500 rounds would take me a while too. That said, I'm not too concerned with burning them out here and there and have to replace. I'm not into those CF Proof barrels, at least not yet. Haha
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I have shot out a couple of AR barrels, but nothing close for my .308.
Post by: drck1000 on August 09, 2021, 04:29:44 PM
whoaMaybe more. I dunno. ;D
Post by: omnigun on August 10, 2021, 09:17:50 AM
Post by: Ocean19 on August 10, 2021, 10:17:38 AM
I personally like the 6.5 cm. I got one and its great. Doubt I will ever get close to shooting out the barrel.What’s great about it?
Can you state some facts.
Post by: drck1000 on August 10, 2021, 10:19:12 AM
What’s great about it?Let's not. . .
Can you state some facts.
I'm sure you have experience (even second hand) with 6.5 or other similar calibers. Whaddya got?
Post by: omnigun on August 10, 2021, 11:32:02 AM
What’s great about it?
Can you state some facts.
Not an expert marksman but it does shoot flatter, if we ever get past 100 yards it will make a difference. Mine has excellent accuracy. Ammo is about as avaliable as 308 and other experiences are similar to 308 for me so I didn't see any downsides.
Post by: drck1000 on August 10, 2021, 11:50:52 AM
Not an expert marksman but it does shoot flatter, if we ever get past 100 yards it will make a difference. Ammo is about as avaliable as 308 and other experiences are similar to 308 for me so I didn't see any downsides.Ok. Decent response. Will help you expand your horizons. Typically, most are looking for personal experience with owning, shooting, etc. Understand that folks need to start somewhere and not everyone's lifestyle (time, desire, etc) facilitates that. That said, sharing your personal perspective is helpful, but also helpful to include background on whys. 100 yard target shooting is certainly good, but different than long(er) range shooting. So when you say "shoots flatter", hope you understand or will learn by asking GOOD questions about why that matters. Not just going by what you read somewhere, hear someone else say, etc.
When comparing things, context is again key. Again, for target/paper shooting at 100 yards, performance of .308 and 6.5 likely won't see an appreciable difference. Different than say hunting, longer range (500 yards +), etc. Not a criticism, but explaining why context is important when sharing experiences in gun forums.
Post by: omnigun on August 10, 2021, 11:56:52 AM
Ok. Decent response. Will help you expand your horizons. Typically, most are looking for personal experience with owning, shooting, etc. Understand that folks need to start somewhere and not everyone's lifestyle (time, desire, etc) facilitates that. That said, sharing your personal perspective is helpful, but also helpful to include background on whys. 100 yard target shooting is certainly good, but different than long(er) range shooting. So when you say "shoots flatter", hope you understand or will learn by asking GOOD questions about why that matters. Not just going by what you read somewhere, hear someone else say, etc.
When comparing things, context is again key. Again, for target/paper shooting at 100 yards, performance of .308 and 6.5 likely won't see an appreciable difference. Different than say hunting, longer range (500 yards +), etc. Not a criticism, but explaining why context is important when sharing experiences in gun forums.
Yeah I only shoot paper at 100 yards. Mine is not a hunting rifle more of a bench rifle it weighs almost 20lbs. It's more accurate than my abilities and has functioned perfectly. Unfortunately there is no range that I can go to that reaches past that but if there was then the "flatter" shooting would be appreciated. I don't have much detailed answers some are looking for, just inserting my amateur 2 cents on the round how it functions for my use. Will try be more detailed next time. Thanks
Post by: stangzilla on August 10, 2021, 11:59:51 AM
at shorter distance, the 308 has more energy than the 6.5CM. which is why i'm not ready to get on the 6.5CM boat. i very rarely shoot past 100 yards, and when i do its maybe out to 300 yards, so my 308 does just fine and is very accurate out to that distance
I've never shot a 6.5CM, so all my knowledge comes from online info
6.5 CM is flatter shooting at longer distances. probably advantageous at long distance shooting. ammo availability and price is considerable also
have you considered other calibers like 6mm ARC or any other of the newer calibers?
Post by: drck1000 on August 10, 2021, 12:18:08 PM
https://thebiggamehuntingblog.com/65-creedmoor-vs-308-winchester/Me no huntah. ;D I mean I wouldn't mind the opportunity, but not my thing. If I did, I'd probably stick with .308 or something specific to the range and
at shorter distance, the 308 has more energy than the 6.5CM. which is why i'm not ready to get on the 6.5CM boat. i very rarely shoot past 100 yards, and when i do its maybe out to 300 yards, so my 308 does just fine and is very accurate out to that distance
I've never shot a 6.5CM, so all my knowledge comes from online info
6.5 CM is flatter shooting at longer distances. probably advantageous at long distance shooting. ammo availability and price is considerable also
have you considered other calibers like 6mm ARC or any other of the newer calibers?
Yup, the 6.5 interests me for shooting in the 600-1000+ yard distances. One aspect is commercial ammo availability, as well as it's pretty common caliber overall.
I have somewhat considered other 6mm varieties. 6x47, 6.5x47, 6 mm ARC, etc. I was planning on doing more research, but I may be ordering a second custom action soon, so that spurred this line of thinking. Still not set on 6.5 Creedmoor, but really interested. I want to stick with a caliber where brass (and boolits to a certain extent) is readily available. Primers are also a consideration. I have a good amount of LRP, where I can get brass for 6.5 CM for LRP. Maybe in the future when SRP becomes more available, I'll expand. I also am not into any wildcat calibers, at least not right now.
Post by: dv808 on August 10, 2021, 12:24:49 PM
When pulling up comparison info between the 143gr 2700 fps 6.5 CM and factory 55gr XM193 3100 fps 556, the CM will drop an 4 inches more than the 556 at 400 yds but will drift less in a 20mph side wind by more almost 23 inches at the same distance.
My 300 Weatherby Magnum's 150gr bullet @3500fps drops almost half as much as the Creedmoor but drifts about 5 inches more at 400yds. This one's a barrel burner but it's harder to shoot as much because the recoil's pretty rough.
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Post by: macsak on August 10, 2021, 12:32:44 PM
I personally like the 6.5 cm. I got one and its great. Doubt I will ever get close to shooting out the barrel.
range too far...
Post by: drck1000 on August 10, 2021, 12:41:19 PM
The 6.5 CM is not a very "flat" shooting caliber compared to other many other faster rounds. Normally the faster the round, the "flatter" it's considered. The average factory 223/556 round shoots flatter at 3000fps than the average 2700fps 6.5 Creedmoor. What the 6.5 round does excel at is that it isn't effected by wind drift as much at other rounds like the 223 or 30 cal rounds because of it's higher BC (ballistic coefficient). Someone once said that it was like shooting pencils when first looking at the round. The 6mm bullets have an even higher BC.The "wind bucking" is one of the reasons I'm interested in 6.5 CM. That's one of the big feedback from a couple of buddies on the mainland and a couple of "gun guys" I follow. I've played with the Berger 168 gr Hybrids, which has the highest (or near the highest) for the boolits in that gr range. I've have good results with the SMK 175 gr out to a touch over 1000 yards. Have been testing a couple of the Berger 175 gr boolits as well, but just scratching the surface with those.
When pulling up comparison info between the 143gr 2700 fps 6.5 CM and factory 55gr XM193 3100 fps 556, the CM will drop an inch more than the 556 at 400 yds but will drift less in a 20mph side wind by more almost 6 inches at the same distance.
My 300 Weatherby Magnum's 150gr bullet @3500fps drops almost half as much as the Creedmoor but drifts about an inch more at 400yds. This one's a barrel burner but it's harder to shoot as much because the recoil's pretty rough.
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I'd have to check, but I think I chrono'ed 193 out of my 16" barrel AR at around 3100 fps. I don't remember what the FGMM SMK chrono'ed at. I've only shot that gun out to about the mid-500 yard range. Even with my 1-10, 600 yards is a decent distance.
A couple of buddies shoot the faster boolits. One has a 7mm Rem Mag and another .300 WM. I think the .300 WM was chrono'ed at around 3200 fps. Yeah, shooting those are a different animal. Different stroke for different folks. The 7mm Rem Mag is a hunter, but even him, dunno if he'll ever use that rifle for hunting. I've shot the .300 WM a few times. Can't see myself owning one.
Post by: ren on August 10, 2021, 12:50:20 PM
Post by: drck1000 on August 10, 2021, 01:34:48 PM
boolits are usually referred to as cast while bullets are jacketed...Id be interested if you are getting those velocities out of cast bullets#boolitslivesmatter
#headsareheads
#clipswithclips
Post by: aletheuo137 on August 10, 2021, 07:28:52 PM
#boolitslivesmatterI've heard the 6.5 grendel or prc are good. But I've shot 308 & 30-06, very good too. But I own a 270 win & Hawken 50 cal. 284 win is really good, hunta808 has one and could give you more info on it.
#headsareheads
#clipswithclips
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Post by: Ocean19 on August 12, 2021, 03:51:04 PM
From what I read if you can’t find one in stock now it could be a 10-12 month wait time.
Post by: drck1000 on August 12, 2021, 04:11:02 PM
The new bartlien 400MODBB suppose to get more life out of the 6.5cm or 6mm according to the preliminary test results.Never heard of that barrel. But I have a line on a 6.5 CM Bartlein barrel for myself and a buddy. ;D
From what I read if you can’t find one in stock now it could be a 10-12 month wait time.
Dammit, now I'll have to check out the quote/estimate. . . nah. I'm likely gonna go with whatever they have. Motivation to shoot the 2000-3000 or whatevers. Then by that time, I can get the 400moobbies. . . 8)
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 09:44:11 AM
The new bartlien 400MODBB suppose to get more life out of the 6.5cm or 6mm according to the preliminary test results.
From what I read if you can’t find one in stock now it could be a 10-12 month wait time.
Dang, I wish I knew that. I bought a 6.5 regular bartlien barrel :(
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 01:55:58 PM
The new bartlien 400MODBB suppose to get more life out of the 6.5cm or 6mm according to the preliminary test results.Looked up that barrel/material. Seems promising, but at almost double the cost of 416R, I'll stick with those for now. The shop I am going with has them and the action in stock. So I ordered a barreled action. Will likely get that in before my rifle build, which is waiting on the chassis. I don't have any components, so will have to start gearing up for that.
From what I read if you can’t find one in stock now it could be a 10-12 month wait time.
Post by: Ocean19 on August 13, 2021, 02:14:27 PM
Dang, I wish I knew that. I bought a 6.5 regular bartlien barrel :(On what action?
Whose doing the chambering on the barrel?
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 02:29:38 PM
On what action?Another 20 questions? ???
Whose doing the chambering on the barrel?
Haha
Post by: Ocean19 on August 13, 2021, 02:31:45 PM
Another 20 questions? ???Did I just open Pandora’s box?
Haha
Post by: ren on August 13, 2021, 02:58:37 PM
Did I just open Pandora’s box?
range too far...
Post by: aletheuo137 on August 13, 2021, 03:37:38 PM
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Post by: Ocean19 on August 13, 2021, 04:41:23 PM
Yeah I only shoot paper at 100 yards. Mine is not a hunting rifle more of a bench rifle it weighs almost 20lbs. It's more accurate than my abilities and has functioned perfectly. Unfortunately there is no range that I can go to that reaches past that but if there was then the "flatter" shooting would be appreciated. I don't have much detailed answers some are looking for, just inserting my amateur 2 cents on the round how it functions for my use. Will try be more detailed next time. Thanks
What did you add to make the rifle 20#'s?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 04:43:54 PM
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Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 05:29:49 PM
No need bring sandbag if you glue them to the stock.Here you go. But too “buku” fo u!
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https://masterpiecearms.com/shop/mpa-weight-tuning-system/
My bolt 308 is super heavy. If I put these, bruh
Post by: ren on August 13, 2021, 05:58:06 PM
Post by: Ocean19 on August 13, 2021, 06:41:57 PM
Here you go. But too “buku” fo u!And these too
https://masterpiecearms.com/shop/mpa-weight-tuning-system/
My bolt 308 is super heavy. If I put these, bruh
https://masterpiecearms.com/shop/gray-ops-ba-chassis-external-weights/
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 07:52:58 PM
On what action?
Whose doing the chambering on the barrel?
Don't laugh its ar10 and bartelin did the chambering.
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 08:13:52 PM
Don't laugh its ar10 and bartelin did the chambering.We not going laugh if you be real with us.
You ordered prefirt barrel?
And…share your experience with us.
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 08:23:53 PM
We not going laugh if you be real with us.
You ordered prefirt barrel?
And…share your experience with us.
Yes ordered it completed by bartelin. It was put together without any issues. Ordered with a matched bolt. Its a 1/7 twist, so going to see how that treats me.
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 08:33:29 PM
Yes ordered it completed by bartelin. It was put together without any issues. Ordered with a matched bolt. Its a 1/7 twist, so going to see how that treats me.Roger.
“put together without any issues” - you haven’t experienced any issues… yet… right…
More directly. Have you shot it? Not talking shit. Trying to get you to see why experience matters. Where until you have experience, it’s academic.
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 08:34:47 PM
And these tooCan. Not yet tho. I was looking at the internal weights for my MPA Comp chassis. It’s heavy as it is, but little unbalanced.
https://masterpiecearms.com/shop/gray-ops-ba-chassis-external-weights/
Post by: Ocean19 on August 13, 2021, 09:29:07 PM
Can. Not yet tho. I was looking at the internal weights for my MPA Comp chassis. It’s heavy as it is, but little unbalanced.I got the heavy bag rider and mono pod weight for the MPA trying to balance the rifle and went from front heavy to rear heavy.
Ended up just using the heavy bag rider only but the rifle is still a tad butt heavy. The barrel contour is closer to a light varmint.
Total weight is roughly 15#’s.
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 09:37:40 PM
Roger.
“put together without any issues” - you haven’t experienced any issues… yet… right…
More directly. Have you shot it? Not talking shit. Trying to get you to see why experience matters. Where until you have experience, it’s academic.
Only very briefly so I can't give a long term experience. Shot great for the time I used it. But I didn't shoot enough to break in. Will be shooting it in a few weeks to sight in a new scope. Will update everyone then.
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 09:44:00 PM
I got the heavy bag rider and mono pod weight for the MPA trying to balance the rifle and went from front heavy to rear heavy.You have MPA chassis?
Ended up just using the heavy bag rider only but the rifle is still a tad butt heavy. The barrel contour is closer to a light varmint.
Total weight is roughly 15#’s.
I dunno what my gun weighs. It’s def hefty tho.
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 09:47:13 PM
Only very briefly so I can't give a long term experience. Shot great for the time I used it. But I didn't shoot enough to break in. Will be shooting it in a few weeks to sight in a new scope. Will update everyone then.Shot great? You didn’t break it in? Not that I believe in breaking in.
Pause… how many rounds in?
But seriously, what glass?
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 10:11:01 PM
Shot great? You didn’t break it in? Not that I believe in breaking in.
Pause… how many rounds in?
But seriously, what glass?
Didn't have much ammo, so two box. Bought a case so I am ready to go now. I got a 32x nightforce scope on it now.
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 10:38:06 PM
Didn't have much ammo, so two box. Bought a case so I am ready to go now. I got a 32x nightforce scope on it now.You shot 40 rounds? That’s cute. ;D
Seriously, that’s not even scratching the surface. Good start tho.
Post by: Ocean19 on August 13, 2021, 10:41:48 PM
Didn't have much ammo, so two box. Bought a case so I am ready to go now. I got a 32x nightforce scope on it now.
Barely fouling the barrel. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 10:44:56 PM
Barely fouling the barrel. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DSpeeding up phase.
What’s that? ???
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 10:45:40 PM
Speeding up phase.Still more than macsak :geekdanc:
What’s that? ???
Post by: aletheuo137 on August 14, 2021, 06:44:52 AM
Speeding up phase.Oh no, operation warp speed again.
What’s that? ???
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Post by: Ocean19 on August 19, 2021, 01:19:55 PM
Post by: drck1000 on August 19, 2021, 01:33:17 PM
What’s a good twist rate for 6.5 barrels?Do you do any research on your own? ??? :P
Kidding. . . ;D
I went with 1:7.5 - Targeting the 140-147gr range of pills. Basically, I went with what my gun builder recommended based on info I gave him on what I was looking for, what starting point, etc. The 6.5 is a "side project", at least for now. It may very well end up being the "main gun", but the .308 is where my focus will be for a while.
What twist rate and barrel length are others using? What bullet weight?
I picked up some H4350. Searching for brass and bullets now.
Post by: 808Hunta on August 22, 2021, 10:19:13 AM
I think the key here is you mentioned possibly wanting factory match ammo. The creedmoor in that respect stands pretty much alone. Plus reloading components favor it also, meaning that it's available from many sources although reloading components right now is tight. But if you look hard enough you'll be able to find some.
As far as shooting barrels out, the new bartleins seem to be great in that respect. I have several of them on order for some of our fire breathers lol. But as in everything it mostly depends on your shooting regimen etc. Hunters most likely won't shoot a barrel out under normal hunting conditions etc in a lifetime. Target/competition shooting is where barrels usually get shot out although I'm sure you're aware of this. The throat is what gets torched and you can set the barrel back or do up a new barrel.
The creedmoor isn't a barrel burner like other overbore 6.5 cartridges. My 6.5 STW is one of those as is my 6.5x284. Even though I hunt mostly I ordered the new bartleins for those cartridges that are known barrel burners because l hunt alot. And do damage control at times and shoot alot of rounds in quick succession which is what hurts your rifles throat.
With all that said what you're looking for in a 6.5 the creedmoor meets what you want. Especially the factory match ammo which is the big difference between it and other 6.5 cartridges.
I have a lot of different 6.5 caliber rifles including creedmoor so speaking from experience. I'm just not a good writer lol it's easier for me to talk about it so if anything doesn't make sense you have my number lol
Take care my friend and have fun
Aloha
Post by: drck1000 on August 22, 2021, 01:42:40 PM
Aloha Bradda Drck,Thank you for the feedback. Always appreciated from folks with the real experience! :shaka:
I think the key here is you mentioned possibly wanting factory match ammo. The creedmoor in that respect stands pretty much alone. Plus reloading components favor it also, meaning that it's available from many sources although reloading components right now is tight. But if you look hard enough you'll be able to find some.
As far as shooting barrels out, the new bartleins seem to be great in that respect. I have several of them on order for some of our fire breathers lol. But as in everything it mostly depends on your shooting regimen etc. Hunters most likely won't shoot a barrel out under normal hunting conditions etc in a lifetime. Target/competition shooting is where barrels usually get shot out although I'm sure you're aware of this. The throat is what gets torched and you can set the barrel back or do up a new barrel.
The creedmoor isn't a barrel burner like other overbore 6.5 cartridges. My 6.5 STW is one of those as is my 6.5x284. Even though I hunt mostly I ordered the new bartleins for those cartridges that are known barrel burners because l hunt alot. And do damage control at times and shoot alot of rounds in quick succession which is what hurts your rifles throat.
With all that said what you're looking for in a 6.5 the creedmoor meets what you want. Especially the factory match ammo which is the big difference between it and other 6.5 cartridges.
I have a lot of different 6.5 caliber rifles including creedmoor so speaking from experience. I'm just not a good writer lol it's easier for me to talk about it so if anything doesn't make sense you have my number lol
Take care my friend and have fun
Aloha
I sort of "backed into" the order of the 6.5 CM setup, where I didn't have as much time as I would normally for a purchase like this. That said, I've long wanted to go with a 6/6.5 mm setup, so I decided to jump right in. The factory ammo consideration has a lot to do with my relative inexperience with loading my own, where I want a solid baseline to test whether it's me or the gun.
The component availability of this popular cartridge is also a big consideration. At least in normal times, the availability would be good. I have time before the action & barrel arrives (probably 2+ months), so no rush. I'm still focuses on .308 for now as well.
Yup, noted on the shooting out barrels. Not a big concern of mine, but rather something I did consider in the overall scheme of things. If I end up shooting out barrels, that hopefully means I'm really enjoying it and shooting a lot. I'm not worried about burning out a barrel that is shooting super well either. Will just have fun with the next barrel. Not doing stuff like F-class where folks save their "hammer barrels" for the big matches and alternate barrels for the smaller matches. Too lazy for all that, plus not expecting that level of accuracy. At least not where the gun's capability would be the limiting factor over my shooting abilities.
At one point a while ago, I envisioned trying all sorts of calibers. Now that I've gotten into loading .308 for longer distance and (more) precision shooting, I will likely stick with .308 and 6.5 CM for a while. That said, the 6.5x284 stuff seems very interesting, but that's from the F-class folks.
Yeah, I'll hit you up next time I'm in Kaneohe. I was just there last week Friday, but that's was last minute plans. Would be great to have some beers with ya and talk story.
Post by: 808Hunta on August 22, 2021, 07:40:59 PM
Yeah lmk would love to have a few beers with you and talk story. First round is on me :shaka:
Aloha
Post by: drck1000 on August 23, 2021, 08:00:42 PM
I’ve seen the dies in stock as well.
Post by: macsak on August 23, 2021, 08:49:43 PM
Found 6.5 CM Lapua LRP brass in stock! Put I my order. Heads next!
I’ve seen the dies in stock as well.
heads
Post by: 808Hunta on August 24, 2021, 08:19:48 AM
What bullets you looking for?
Aloha
Post by: drck1000 on August 24, 2021, 08:42:18 AM
Nice, glad you found someHornady 140 gr ELD Match
What bullets you looking for?
Aloha
I found some in stock last night, but shipping is $55. Debating whether or not to just bite the bullet or shop around a bit more.
Post by: 808Hunta on August 24, 2021, 09:55:41 AM
Aloha
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 24, 2021, 12:18:23 PM
Hornady 140 gr ELD Match
I found some in stock last night, but shipping is $55. Debating whether or not to just bite the bullet or shop around a bit more.
Contact the seller. You might get a better deal on shipping for specific quantities or by using other shippers not listed on the website.
Worth asking.
Post by: DocMercy on August 31, 2021, 07:13:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g72SGo85TF0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g72SGo85TF0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R4uVOyIhuc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R4uVOyIhuc)
Post by: ren on August 31, 2021, 07:23:01 PM
I asked a weapon dealer about the Ruger Precision Rifle 6.5 Creedmoor cal, but he had no inventory or orders in the pipeline. YT reviews are positive. There are two SKUs listed on the web, SKU 18029 (normal stock) and SKU 18025 (Camo). Has anyone encountered one of these rifles on the Koko Head range?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g72SGo85TF0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g72SGo85TF0)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R4uVOyIhuc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R4uVOyIhuc)
I handled one but didn't shoot it. The bolt worked smooth. I liked it. I'm in the same boat and inquired at WGS with no luck in inventory.
Post by: drck1000 on September 01, 2021, 09:43:33 AM
I asked a weapon dealer about the Ruger Precision Rifle 6.5 Creedmoor cal, but he had no inventory or orders in the pipeline. YT reviews are positive. There are two SKUs listed on the web, SKU 18029 (normal stock) and SKU 18025 (Camo). Has anyone encountered one of these rifles on the Koko Head range?Yup, I've seen a lot of videos with both 6.5 CM for hunting in my searches on YT. While I'm looking at bolt guns and target shooting, still pretty interesting on the capabilities of the gun and ammunition. Also interesting folks testing match ammo for hunting and being surprised that it didn't perform as well as say soft points and other hunting purpose driven ammunition or bullets.
SNIP
Sucks that availability on common calibers are terrible. I recall seeing some posters mention RPR in 6.5 CM though. Hopefully they can chime in.
Post by: drck1000 on September 01, 2021, 10:21:48 PM
Next need to order dies. Might have my 6.5 setup ready before my .308
Post by: Ocean19 on September 02, 2021, 07:47:37 AM
Found the Hornady ELD match in stock. :geekdanc:Which dies do you have in mind? Someone mentioned to me the SAC dies are the way to go. I’m sure their great but $350 each die does puts a dent in the wallet.
Next need to order dies. Might have my 6.5 setup ready before my .308
I was looking at mighty armory FL dies. The neck size is a couple thou below a fully loaded round and it has a built in mandrel that sizes the neck back up to 1 thou under bullet diameter. Concentricity suppose to be around .0005 and requires the use of lanolin/alcohol type lube.
Their FL dies is not as expensive as SAC but not as cheap as Redding or Forster. I’m still doing more research on the mighty armory, if they have a good Labor Day sale maybe I’ll jump on the boat.
Post by: drck1000 on September 02, 2021, 08:14:11 AM
Which dies do you have in mind? Someone mentioned to me the SAC dies are the way to go. I’m sure their great but $350 each die does puts a dent in the wallet.I am thinking same at for .308, which is Forster seating and Redding bushing sizing dies. I am transitioning from RCBS press to a Forster press. I have the press, but just haven't had a chance to setup.
I was looking at mighty armory FL dies. The neck size is a couple thou below a fully loaded round and it has a built in mandrel that sizes the neck back up to 1 thou under bullet diameter. Concentricity suppose to be around .0005 and requires the use of lanolin/alcohol type lube.
Their FL dies is not as expensive as SAC but not as cheap as Redding or Forster. I’m still doing more research on the mighty armory, if they have a good Labor Day sale maybe I’ll jump on the boat.
I saw those SAC dies. Not out of the question, but yikes. It will likely be a while until I get them. I have their comparators for .308 and will likely get them for 6.5 CM when they get back in stock. I'll hit them up eventually on the dies.
I was also thinking of trying the arbor press for bullet seating with the Whidden die. But just a thought at this point. Maybe down the road. Don't want to introduce too many variables at this time.
Post by: Ocean19 on September 04, 2021, 04:58:25 AM
Post by: drck1000 on September 04, 2021, 07:08:19 PM
[IMG]SNIPUh, ok. If that floats your boat. . . anyways
Post by: drck1000 on September 04, 2021, 07:11:56 PM
Bullets on the way. So very close to loading up for 6.5. Think the barreled action is still a couple of weeks away though.
Post by: Ocean19 on September 04, 2021, 11:04:32 PM
Brass arrived today. Ordered from Whidden. First time ordering from them and very impressed. The box was packed very well, with each box individually packaged, gaps in the box filled well, and taped very well. They even offer a gift after your first order. I’ve been eyeing their dies, so this might get me to try more of their products.
Bullets on the way. So very close to loading up for 6.5. Think the barreled action is still a couple of weeks away though.
I could be wrong but aren't the whidden dies small base dies?
Post by: drck1000 on September 05, 2021, 10:52:51 AM
I could be wrong but aren't the whidden dies small base dies?Dunno about all of their dies, but the ones I was looking at (bushing sizing and micrometer seating) are basically the same as the I have now, which is Redding sizing and Forster seating. At least from the Whidden videos I’ve watched of them. I initially got interested in them as during the shortage of everything, they had .308 dies in stock, but didn’t know much about them back then.
I also have been considering trying arbor press and Wilson bullet seating die, but will likely stick with the current dies and implement the Forster press.