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Title: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: macsak on August 09, 2021, 05:17:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR-NlRKFTCg
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 09, 2021, 05:19:41 PM
lol
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: ren on August 09, 2021, 08:22:47 PM
I like Candace Owens we need more people like her. Strong willed. Strong voice. More than 100 hours of speaking and debating liberals. I bet she would drive to a debate on the other side of the island just to make a point. That's passion. Dedication. Motivation. Courage.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: mrgaf on August 09, 2021, 08:26:22 PM
I like Candace Owens we need more people like her. Strong willed. Strong voice. More than 100 hours of speaking and debating liberals. I bet she would drive to a debate on the other side of the island just to make a point. That's passion. Dedication. Motivation. Courage.

Ditto!
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Glasser on August 09, 2021, 08:37:47 PM
It is interesting to watch the arc of Candace. She was on the wrong side of Gamergate and was about to be the tip of the spear on the Cancel Culture Censorship Warrior train. But then the Left ate her because she was higher on the progressive stack and stealing the thunder of the self loathing white folks trying to farm attention and money and twitter and google thought police jobs. It was a serious Red Pill for her. I still dont know exactly how sincere she is, but she does a great job playing the Anti-Jackson / Sharpton character even if it is Kabuki.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: hvybarrels on August 09, 2021, 09:08:32 PM
Divorce is a bad analogy because even though they have the potential to be traumatic the process is more or less organized. The more likely scenario resembles a liquidation.

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-11-nations-of-the-united-states-2015-7
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 09, 2021, 09:37:15 PM
Divorce is a bad analogy because even though they have the potential to be traumatic the process is more or less organized. The more likely scenario resembles a liquidation.

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-11-nations-of-the-united-states-2015-7

Ever see "The War of the Roses?"

1989 -- Michael Douglas, Kathleen Turner, Danny DeVito

 :geekdanc:
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 09, 2021, 10:33:18 PM
No one put two and two together eh....5 replies later and brought up that "National Divorce" means civil war....Hope no one here supports something like that.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 09, 2021, 10:45:00 PM
No one put two and two together eh....5 replies later and brought up that "National Divorce" means civil war....Hope no one here supports something like that.

#AgainstAllEnemiesForeignAndDomestic
#NotSarcasm
#Freedom
#AntiTyranny
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: macsak on August 10, 2021, 05:33:24 AM
No one put two and two together eh....5 replies later and brought up that "National Divorce" means civil war....Hope no one here supports something like that.

yes, you are so much smarter than all of us that you are the only one that figured that out...
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 10, 2021, 06:53:33 AM
#AgainstAllEnemiesForeignAndDomestic
#NotSarcasm
#Freedom
#AntiTyranny

Sounds a bit terroristic eh.  That's not how democracy works.   
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Brystont1 on August 10, 2021, 07:20:58 AM
It is interesting to watch the arc of Candace. She was on the wrong side of Gamergate and was about to be the tip of the spear on the Cancel Culture Censorship Warrior train. But then the Left ate her because she was higher on the progressive stack and stealing the thunder of the self loathing white folks trying to farm attention and money and twitter and google thought police jobs. It was a serious Red Pill for her. I still dont know exactly how sincere she is, but she does a great job playing the Anti-Jackson / Sharpton character even if it is Kabuki.

I liked Candace when she first came out. Then she went on Joe Rogan and it made her look really bad in my eyes. She’s a smart chick and I believe that she believes most of what she’s saying, but I do get a bit of a “grifty” vibe from her.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: groveler on August 10, 2021, 08:33:28 AM
No one put two and two together eh....5 replies later and brought up that "National Divorce" means civil war....Hope no one here supports something like that.
I don't support a kinetic civil war,  no thinking person wants that.
Though emotionally and by military training I would have little problem defending
my family from Democrat government agents.
My experience in CA and the pacific Northwest is that this is a city vs rural divide.
Large cities dominate the entire state, but don't have a clue what the those city
policies do to everybody not living in those cities.  As an example were it not for Honolulu policy
AKA state laws, the Big Island could have  vibrant cattle, dairy, poultry, power generation, Astronomy,
gaming, recreational , and farming industries.  We would be very rich  monetarily as well as our
present land wealth.  We are throttled by people that don't live here just because
Democrats like to make people live as the Democrat Party determines.
I do have a non violent solution.
1. Reform the state Senates so that each county gets only two senators that are appointed by the county councils.
this follows the original Federal US model. Counties need a equal voice and not be beggars.
2. All Elections can only be locally funded, eg. the first place my legislature critter goes to it fund-raise is Honolulu.
That is just plain wrong!
3. Make all schools locally controlled and funded, no more state DOE or Federal control of how we care for and educate our kids.
4. Institute and have popular election of local Sheriffs as the highest law enforcement official in each county.
All can be done legally with no shooting.

As it is right now without any changes,  I would dance and celebrate if for example Honolulu were to be nuked when the legislature is in session.
I'm sure there are many like me.  That should make most large cities nervous.
 :shaka:


Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 10, 2021, 08:45:56 AM
yes, you are so much smarter than all of us that you are the only one that figured that out...
Civil war against the liberal fruit cakes?   ::)
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 10, 2021, 12:15:08 PM
Sounds a bit terroristic eh.  That's not how democracy works.

Go find a democracy and move there.

We are not a democracy.

Democracy = Mob Rule
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 10, 2021, 12:27:47 PM
Sounds a bit terroristic eh.  That's not how democracy works.

Of course the guy who has never taken a military oath states the above.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Glasser on August 10, 2021, 01:12:20 PM
Go find a democracy and move there.

We are not a democracy.

Democracy = Mob Rule

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: MauiAxis on August 10, 2021, 02:36:10 PM

....

As it is right now without any changes,  I would dance and celebrate if for example Honolulu were to be nuked when the legislature is in session.
I'm sure there are many like me. 
 :shaka:

Wow. Just wow. With friends like you......
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: groveler on August 10, 2021, 02:59:59 PM
Wow. Just wow. With friends like you......
Hey friend,  the biggest threat to my health safety and welfare in the USA today,
is Democrat run cities.
All I have to do is go buy fuel, go to the store, and open up my property tax bill.
to see the threat.  All due to modern Democrats and their party dictates.
I do not benefit from their policies and I have no say in the policy formation, so
excuse me if I don't like them very much. :grrr:
BTW do you like having to get government permission to exercise a
God given right? Or if you are an Atheist, a Natural right all life has.
I didn't think so.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 10, 2021, 03:25:37 PM
Wow. Just wow. With friends like you......

I seem to recall references/flashbacks to some Muslims celebrating 911.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: groveler on August 10, 2021, 04:20:30 PM
I seem to recall references/flashbacks to some Muslims celebrating 911.
Subtle difference,  They were celebrating the victory of their god, Allah.
I'd be celebrating freedom.
 :worship:
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 10, 2021, 04:35:02 PM
Subtle difference,  They were celebrating the victory of their god, Allah.
I'd be celebrating freedom.
 :worship:
Hope you like Chinese. . .  ;D
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: groveler on August 10, 2021, 04:55:37 PM
Hope you like Chinese. . .  ;D
I'd have to bone up on my Mandarin.
If there were no Pearl harbor, Hawaii would just be another Kiribati.
Nobody would bother.
Just like Seattle, the city itself is non-value added, but the surrounding areas
are bigtime important,  However, who runs the state? Seattle.
I purposely was trying to be "shocking" to make a point.
Cities of 2021 USA aren't needed, but that is where the Dregs settle.
and the Dregs vote, and the rest of us suffer.
 :grrr:

Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 10, 2021, 05:02:08 PM
I'd have to bone up on my Mandarin.
If there were no Pearl harbor, Hawaii would just be another Kiribati.
Nobody would bother.
Just like Seattle, the city itself is non-value added, but the surrounding areas
are bigtime important,  However, who runs the state? Seattle.
I purposely was trying to be "shocking" to make a point.
Cities of 2021 USA aren't needed, but that is where the Dregs settle.
and the Dregs vote, and the rest of us suffer.
 :grrr:
Grrreat.  The two cities I lived in are on your "target list". 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 10, 2021, 07:20:03 PM
If you don't like democrats wait till you hear about China.   Which would be your rulers without Oahu and the USA supporting and defending you. 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Kuleana on August 10, 2021, 09:37:22 PM
If you don't like democrats wait till you hear about the Chinese.
What a prejudiced and bigoted thing to say about the Chinese.  If I were a 20 year old and had to decide living in a nation, with the opportunity, to become part of fastest growing millionaires, or a country, where the gaps between the rich and poor are ever increasing, I think the choice is obvious.   :thumbsup:



Which would be your rulers without Oahu and the USA supporting and defending you.
Well, at least I am glad you recognize Oahu, the island capital, of the Hawaiian Kingdom, as a recognized nation, on par, with the US empire.   :shaka:
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: hvybarrels on August 10, 2021, 10:00:05 PM
What a prejudiced and bigoted thing to say about the Chinese.

The Chinese are awesome. It’s the ccp that sucks. Looks like they are screwing up pretty bad as well right now, which is actually a huge relief. If we didn’t have the 2nd amendment then the DNC would be the same.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: ren on August 10, 2021, 10:37:37 PM
If you don't like democrats wait till you hear about the Chinese.   Which would be your rulers without Oahu and the USA supporting and defending you.

like your left, liberal progressive hypocrisy...you are waycist....
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 11, 2021, 06:21:00 AM
What a prejudiced and bigoted thing to say about the Chinese.  If I were a 20 year old and had to decide living in a nation, with the opportunity, to become part of fastest growing millionaires, or a country, where the gaps between the rich and poor are ever increasing, I think the choice is obvious.   :thumbsup:


Well, at least I am glad you recognize Oahu, the island capital, of the Hawaiian Kingdom, as a recognized nation, on par, with the US empire.   :shaka:

You want to live in China?   Dang they really got you eh.  😕   I fully support the USA.  Nothing wrong with the rich,  capitalism is great. 

Not even close Oahu, aka the major military hub of the pacific.  And property of the US government. 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 11, 2021, 06:23:01 AM
like your left, liberal progressive hypocrisy...you are waycist....

China is a country not a race.  Obviously I am referring to the ccp. You have seen me long enough to know I dislike China 🇨🇳 and Communism. 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Kuleana on August 11, 2021, 08:47:45 AM
You want to live in China?   Dang they really got you eh.  😕   
No, I want to live in my country that was illegally overthrown and annexed by the US empire.   :shaka:



I fully support the USA.  Nothing wrong with the rich,  capitalism is great.
Yes, capitalism seems to be working well in China these days compared to the ultrawealthy controlled fascist US empire.   :geekdanc:



Not even close Oahu, aka the major military hub of the pacific.  And property of the US government.
Correction, "property illegally held by the US empire".   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Kuleana on August 11, 2021, 08:50:24 AM
Obviously I am referring to the ccp. You have seen me long enough to know I dislike China 🇨🇳 and Communism.
Could it be your hate is simply masked jealously against China and her people, who have worked very hard and are about to overtake the US empire economically? 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 11, 2021, 08:52:55 AM
I like living where I live.  Is it perfect?  Hells no.  That said, I've seen many of the $hitholes in other countries.  If anyone things living in China is great, go live there then. . .

Back to topic of divorce, it would be interesting to see who makes a "real" move to do so.  Will it happen in my lifetime?  I don't think so.  Will be interesting to see what folks on both sides who have been talking all big this whole time either put up or shut up. 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: ren on August 11, 2021, 08:54:15 AM
China is a county not a race.  Obviously I am referring to the ccp. You have seen me long enough to know I dislike China 🇨🇳 and Communism.

China is not a county
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 11, 2021, 08:58:51 AM
Could it be your hate is simply masked jealously against China and her people, who have worked very hard and are about to overtake the US empire economically?
Liberals would be offended. . . you assigning gender. . .  :P

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 11, 2021, 09:09:23 AM
No, I want to live in my country that was illegally overthrown and annexed by the US empire.   :shaka:


Yes, capitalism seems to be working well in China these days compared to the ultrawealthy controlled fascist US empire.   :geekdanc:



Correction, "property illegally held by the US empire".   :thumbsup:

You do know china is communist right?
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 11, 2021, 09:11:35 AM
Could it be your hate is simply masked jealously against China and her people, who have worked very hard and are about to overtake the US empire economically?

Not even close.  I wouldn't wish living in China even against you. 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Kuleana on August 11, 2021, 09:34:22 AM
I like living where I live.  Is it perfect?  Hells no.  That said, I've seen many of the $hitholes in other countries.  If anyone things living in China is great, go live there then. . .
China is a great place to live.  Spent many years there.  However, Hawaii is the home of Hawaiian nationals.



Back to topic of divorce, it would be interesting to see who makes a "real" move to do so.  Will it happen in my lifetime?  I don't think so.  Will be interesting to see what folks on both sides who have been talking all big this whole time either put up or shut up.
At this point, the Balkanization of the US empire is unavoidable, for the reasons given, ad nauseum.  Who knows when that will happen, but the sooner the better.  WWIII is still on the table for the ultrawealthy that rules the US empire.  Unless, there is a 2nd American revolution, that war will potentially happen, once China overtakes the US empire's GDP.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 11, 2021, 09:51:31 AM
1) China is a great place to live.  Spent many years there.  2) However, Hawaii is the home of Hawaiian nationals.


3) At this point, the Balkanization of the US empire is unavoidable, for the reasons given, ad nauseum.  Who knows when that will happen, but the sooner the better.  WWIII is still on the table for the ultrawealthy that rules the US empire.  Unless, there is a 2nd American revolution, that war will potentially happen, once China overtakes the US empire's GDP.
1) I don't doubt many places are. . . that said, there are many places that aren't.  Same with US though.

2) Yeah, I'm descendant, remember?   :thumbsup:

3) Yeah, ad nauseum.  I don't really get many of your points/positions.  That said, we are living in interesting times.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Kuleana on August 11, 2021, 11:02:47 AM
You do know china is communist right?
Yes, they have their version of communism that incorporates selective aspects of capitalism, which obviously works for them.

That, by-the-way, is what the ultrawealthy despises most about China.  China is led by a sole political party and not by its super-rich.  Moreover, this is a model that the leaders of the US empire does not want spreading to its territory or the minds of its subject-citizens.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 11, 2021, 01:13:47 PM
Yes, they have their version of communism that incorporates selective aspects of capitalism, which obviously works for them.

That, by-the-way, is what the ultrawealthy despises most about China.  China is led by a sole political party and not by its super-rich.  Moreover, this is a model that the leaders of the US empire does not want spreading to its territory or the minds of its subject-citizens.

Obviously working = dictator in charge.  No freedoms,  can't say or do anything.  The imprisonment of groups of people for nothing other than their "race" or religion.   Sweatshops and slavery.  Starvation.  Corruption.  Sure sounds like an utopia...
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 11, 2021, 01:25:15 PM
You do know china is communist right?

You do know facts don't change because of your ignorance of them, right?

Quote
The economy of the People's Republic of China is a developing market-oriented economy
that incorporates economic planning through industrial policies and strategic five-year plans.
Dominated by state-owned enterprises (SOEs) and mixed-ownership enterprises, the
economy also consists of a large domestic private sector and openness to foreign businesses
in a system described as a socialist market economy.[26][27][28]

State-owned enterprises accounted for over 60% of China's market capitalization in 2019[29]
and generated 40% of China's GDP of US$15.66 trillion in 2020,

with domestic and foreign private businesses and investment accounting for the remaining 60%.

Since you can't read English, here's the "China for Dummies" summary.

Although 60% of China's economy operates as a Communist-run system, that part only generates 40% of the country's revenue (GDP, or Gross Domestic Product).

In contrast, the remaining 40% of China's economic system involves domestic and foreign private businesses and investment (i.e. Capitalism), which generates 60% of the country's GDP.

It could be said that capitalism seems to be working better for China than "Communism."

This doesn't include Taiwan, which is more capitalistic than the US -- and is an extremely wealthy nation.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 11, 2021, 01:40:50 PM
You do know facts don't change because of your ignorance of them, right?

Since you can't read English, here's the "China for Dummies" summary.

Although 60% of China's economy operates as a Communist-run system, that part only generates 40% of the country's revenue (GDP, or Gross Domestic Product).

In contrast, the remaining 40% of China's economic system involves domestic and foreign private businesses and investment (i.e. Capitalism), which generates 60% of the country's GDP.

It could be said that capitalism seems to be working better for China than "Communism."

This doesn't include Taiwan, which is more capitalistic than the US -- and is an extremely wealthy nation.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_China

And china can at any time "takeover" the business.  Sure sounds capitalist.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 11, 2021, 01:52:35 PM
And china can at any time "takeover" the business.  Sure sounds capitalist.

What "is" and what "could happen" are not synonyms.

#NeverWrong
#AlternateReality
#NotSarcasm
#TooStupidToDealWith
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 11, 2021, 01:54:55 PM
What "is" and what "could happen" are not synonyms.

#NeverWrong
#AlternateReality
#NotSarcasm
#TooStupidToDealWith

It has happened many times in the past....
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 11, 2021, 01:57:02 PM
It has happened many times in the past....

It also didn't happen many times in the past. So what's your point?  Besides to argue. Goal post about to be moved. BRB 6th F-15 on order. They cannot keep up with the demand.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 11, 2021, 02:00:12 PM
It has happened many times in the past....

The US allowed the owning of slaves in the past.

Must mean it will happen again...
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Glasser on August 11, 2021, 02:05:53 PM
Dummy is wrong as usual, in CCP China you NEVER own controlling interest in any of these commercial ventures to BEGIN with. They don't take it from you, they just fire you from the company you built.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 11, 2021, 02:11:59 PM
Dummy is wrong as usual, in CCP China you NEVER own controlling interest in any of these commercial ventures to BEGIN with. They don't take it from you, they just fire you from the company you built.
But they feelz like they have ownership.  For the State. . .
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 11, 2021, 02:12:30 PM
The US allowed the owning of slaves in the past.

Must mean it will happen again...
History pulled down the GPA. 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 11, 2021, 02:16:59 PM
The US allowed the owning of slaves in the past.

Must mean it will happen again...

Do we currently have slaves?  China has some.   China has taken over many companies in the past few years.  This isn't some long term past. 

I give up no need to reply to this post,  this argument has gone too long.  You can defend China all you want and communism.  As previously proved you do really like welfare. 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 11, 2021, 04:01:38 PM
Do we currently have slaves?  China has some.   China has taken over many companies in the past few years.  This isn't some long term past. 

I give up no need to reply to this post,  this argument has gone too long.  You can defend China all you want and communism.  As previously proved you do really like welfare.

Nothing wrong with welfare as long as the people who really need it get if for the length of time they need to get back on their on feet again.

Welfare is a safety net, not a hammock.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Glasser on August 13, 2021, 08:02:07 AM
Biden is now saying they are 'Looking into restricting interstate travel for unvaccinated people', that is BLATANTLY unconstitutional and will cause a 'National Divorce'.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 08:26:41 AM
Biden is now saying they are 'Looking into restricting interstate travel for unvaccinated people', that is BLATANTLY unconstitutional and will cause a 'National Divorce'.
Many cant see 2 steps ahead. How did the germans go along with what was being done to the jews. Well, it didnt happen overnight.

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Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Kuleana on August 13, 2021, 09:39:26 AM
Biden is now saying they are 'Looking into restricting interstate travel for unvaccinated people', that is BLATANTLY unconstitutional and will cause a 'National Divorce'.
When was the last time, the US imperial government did anything that did not push the boundaries or outright violated the US Constitution?

America is and has been an empire for quite some time and on course for collapse and/or Balkanization.  The fact the current disagreements surrounding Covid-19, between the people and within the imperial government itself, is indicative of those fracture points that will serve as one the many domestic crises leading to the final dissolution, of the US empire.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: groveler on August 13, 2021, 09:59:13 AM
When was the last time, the US imperial government did anything that did not push the boundaries or outright violated the US Constitution?

America is and has been an empire for quite some time and on course for collapse and/or Balkanization.  The fact the current disagreements surrounding Covid-19, between the people and within the imperial government itself, is indicative of those fracture points that will serve as one the many domestic crises leading to the final dissolution, of the US empire.
Give me a good reason to substitute a Democrat Party government for
a racist Hawaiian monarchy?
I repudiate both, but you are very lucid sometimes.
Convince me.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 10:21:18 AM
Give me a good reason to substitute a Democrat Party government for
a racist Hawaiian monarchy?
I repudiate both, but you are very lucid sometimes.
Convince me.

If they were to take over and allow CCW, I may have to show support.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Kuleana on August 13, 2021, 10:27:46 AM
Give me a good reason to substitute a Democrat Party government for
a racist Hawaiian monarchy?
I repudiate both, but you are very lucid sometimes.
Convince me.
I really don't understand how do you come to the conclusion that the Hawaiian Kingdom was a racist monarchy.

All historical evidence showed the Hawaiian Kingdom being an incredibly open ethnic and inclusive society.  Any types of racism you speak of, during the Kingdom era, were from the American descended Hawaiian nationals, who purposely worked to create laws that only benefited Caucasian people and set the stage for the illegal overthrow, with the aid, of the US empire.  Once more, those same traitors and insurgents, became REPUBLICANS, during the Territorial era, and furthered their racist political and economic control of Hawaii, until they were replaced, by the other political cheek, of the same buttock, the Democrats that you rightfully despise, in the so-called statehood era beginning in 1959.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 10:39:17 AM
If they were to take over and allow CCW, I may have to show support.

Potential Traitor.  I may see you and kuleana on the battlefield. I will always side with the United States of America.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Kuleana on August 13, 2021, 11:06:45 AM
Potential Traitor.  I may see you and kuleana on the battlefield. I will always side with the United States of America.
So, what do we have here...

An "Imperial Army of One"?

In your surplus multicam fatigues you bought online and armed with your tacticool laptop, with its multi-purpose mouse, as your primary and secondary weapons; how can you loose?
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 11:14:48 AM
So, what do we have here...

An "Imperial Army of One"?

In your surplus multicam fatigues you bought online and armed with your tacticool laptop, with its multi-purpose mouse, as your primary and secondary weapons; how can you loose?

I'm pretty certain there are more patriots out there.  We (USA) have military numbers greater than the population of Hawaii.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 11:16:16 AM
Potential Traitor.  I may see you and kuleana on the battlefield. I will always side with the United States of America.

Wrong again. Read slower what I posted.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: ren on August 13, 2021, 11:31:09 AM
Potential Traitor.  I may see you and kuleana on the battlefield. I will always side with the United States of America.

But you never enlisted or is this a veiled threat against two members of this forum?
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: groveler on August 13, 2021, 11:39:32 AM
I really don't understand how do you come to the conclusion that the Hawaiian Kingdom was a racist monarchy.

All historical evidence showed the Hawaiian Kingdom being an incredibly open ethnic and inclusive society.  Any types of racism you speak of, during the Kingdom era, were from the American descended Hawaiian nationals, who purposely worked to create laws that only benefited Caucasian people and set the stage for the illegal overthrow, with the aid, of the US empire.  Once more, those same traitors and insurgents, became REPUBLICANS, during the Territorial era, and furthered their racist political and economic control of Hawaii, until they were replaced, by the other political cheek, of the same buttock, the Democrats that you rightfully despise, in the so-called statehood era beginning in 1959.
Let's just sit with Monarchy.  Kings and queens.
by what right do they have to rule over your life?
I'm just curious?
The caste system Hawaii had and to some degrees still has,
is by birth you are of an elevated class of people.
is that acceptable? Assuming there is no intermarriage allowed
in the upper classes is that not  racist?
I'm very Libertarian almost to the point of being
an anarchist.
Government is a necessary evil, but we need to choose the least invasive
one we can.
ANY government be it a Democrat run empire, a Hawaiian monarchy,
or a Republican oligarchy,  is the biggest threat to my
health, safety, and welfare that I face in life.

So let us choose wisely.

That choice seems to be limited to a Democrat party run, or Hawaiian monarchy
government
Unfortunately that seems to be the only choices Hawaii has.
Hawaiian citizens seem to hate freedom and responsibility for their decisions.
That is too Haole.
Freedom and Kuleana
 :shaka:



Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 11:44:41 AM
is this a veiled threat against two members of this forum?

Not taken as a threat from me. I can't speak on how the other guy took it.

Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: aletheuo137 on August 13, 2021, 11:51:37 AM
But you never enlisted or is this a veiled threat against two members of this forum?
Time for a chill pill omni.

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Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 12:34:35 PM
But you never enlisted or is this a veiled threat against two members of this forum?

If those two members commit treason and revolt against America, sure.  In a civil war between "Hawaiians" VS USA I will join the USA side.  If they join the Hawaiians we will be enemies.

I never enlisted,  as you say every time.  Have you?  I signed up for the draft.  Which would probably be used in the event of civil war.  I support my government in ways that I know best,  through technology service.  Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.  Not everyone is measured their worth the same. 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 12:38:07 PM
I signed up for the draft.  Which would probably be used in the event of civil war.

Hahahahahhaha. Wrong.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 12:38:49 PM
Hahahahahhaha. Wrong.

Please elaborate.  If there was large scale civil war you don't think the draft would be used?  What did they do in the original civil war?
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 12:38:54 PM
If those two members commit treason and revolt against America, sure.   


Still didn't read what I posted slowly because he is referring to it.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 12:39:46 PM
Please elaborate.  If there was large scale civil war you don't think the draft would be used?  What did they do in the original civil war?

Think why I posted you're wrong instead of typing via emotion.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 12:41:06 PM
Think why I posted you're wrong instead of typing via emotion.

"Registered for selective service"  Happy?
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 12:42:29 PM
"Registered for selective service"  Happy?

You read the wrong post. Or maybe you thought about it and realized you're wrong, so now trying to change the subject?
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 12:42:34 PM
Still didn't read what I posted slowly because he is referring to it.

If they were to take over and allow CCW, I may have to show support.

So showing support for treasonous separatists is what? 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 12:43:32 PM
You read the wrong post. Or maybe you thought about it and realized you're wrong, so now trying to change the subject?

Nope I have no idea what you are talking about.  Maybe bold it, instead of being so convoluted...
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 12:46:13 PM
So showing support for treasonous separatists is what?

You tell me what showing support for something is. 

"Hey, I agree with what you guys did". Is that treason? (verbal)

vs.

Joining/participating in taking over of HI (actions)
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 12:47:02 PM
Nope I have no idea what you are talking about.  Maybe bold it, instead of being so convoluted...

Or how about you actually read and think b4 posting via emotion.  Many have tried to reason with you and you still argue and deny. So I'm trying a new approach.  Teach a man to fish, blah blah.

You blew your load.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 13, 2021, 12:49:12 PM
Or how about you actually read and think b4 posting via emotion.  Many have tried to reason with you and you still argue and deny. So I'm trying a new approach.  Teach a man to fish, blah blah.

You blew your load.

Studies show you can't teach a pig to sing.  It wastes your time, and annoys the pig.

Teaching know-it-alls on the Internet is the same.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Glasser on August 13, 2021, 12:50:21 PM
So Dipstick has gone from calling members Nazis to calling them Traitors to the Constitution. Anyone wanna explain why moderators haven't sh*t canned  this slanderous piece of garbage yet?
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 12:51:16 PM
Studies show you can't teach a pig to sing.  It wastes your time, and annoys the pig.

Teaching know-it-alls on the Internet is the same.

That's why easier to just reply with simple words.  Everyone else knows why he's wrong. So we can just leave it as that.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Glasser on August 13, 2021, 12:52:31 PM
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=40927.0

To minimize the non-stop back-and-forth insults, be advised that insults perceived by mods to have crossed a line will receive a timeout.
Anyone arguing with a mod's decision to issue a timeout may also receive a timeout.
More serious repercussions (including longer time outs or even permanent bans) could be considered if someone continues even after multiple warnings.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 12:53:16 PM
So Dipstick has gone from calling members Nazis to calling them Traitors to the Constitution. Anyone wanna explain why moderators haven't sh*t canned  this slanderous piece of garbage yet?

For my post,

1) He didn't read it correctly and assumed wrong
2) I didn't take offense because he was wrong anyways, refer to #1
3) Then he moved the goal post to "If they do X".

So all in all, same meaningless post from him.  But this is just my POV.  IDK if other guy took offense.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 12:53:46 PM
You tell me what showing support for something is. 

"Hey, I agree with what you guys did". Is that treason? (verbal)

vs.

Joining/participating in taking over of HI (actions)

I gathered your statement as more of the latter.  Feel free to correct me at any time.   That's why I used "May" in my response. 

Or how about you actually read and think b4 posting via emotion.  Many have tried to reason with you and you still argue and deny. So I'm trying a new approach.  Teach a man to fish, blah blah.

You blew your load.

So basically you are trolling,  noted. 

Like the Covid response,  I will end my argument on this here. 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 12:56:24 PM
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=40927.0

To minimize the non-stop back-and-forth insults, be advised that insults perceived by mods to have crossed a line will receive a timeout.
Anyone arguing with a mod's decision to issue a timeout may also receive a timeout.
More serious repercussions (including longer time outs or even permanent bans) could be considered if someone continues even after multiple warnings.


Says the one who insults me at every chance....
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: ren on August 13, 2021, 01:00:52 PM
Selective Service is compulsory. Enlisting is voluntarily and is entering military service with some level of "intestinal fortitude" (those that have been to boot probably heard that everyday from dawn to dusk).
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 01:01:04 PM
I gathered your statement as more of the latter.  Feel free to correct me at any time.   That's why I used "May" in my response. 

So basically you are trolling,  noted. 

Like the Covid response,  I will end my argument on this here.

"I gathered your statement as more of the latter.  Feel free to correct me at any time.   That's why I used "May" in my response.  "  Prepared to move goal post

No trolling, just not taking time to type more info that you're going to disregard, move goal post and refuse to admit your mistake. 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 13, 2021, 01:02:17 PM
Selective Service is compulsory. Enlisting is voluntarily and is entering military service with some level of "intestinal fortitude" (those that have been to boot probably heard that everyday from dawn to dusk).

He makes like he's special for registering for the draft. You know, not like almost everyone here had to do. (sarcasm)
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 13, 2021, 01:02:42 PM
"I gathered your statement as more of the latter.  Feel free to correct me at any time.   That's why I used "May" in my response.  "  Prepared to move goal post

No trolling, just not taking time to type more info that you're going to disregard, move goal post and refuse to admit your mistake.

You're arguing with a parrot.

Stop the insanity!!   :crazy:
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 01:07:43 PM
So, what do we have here...

An "Imperial Army of One"?

In your surplus multicam fatigues you bought online and armed with your tacticool laptop, with its multi-purpose mouse, as your primary and secondary weapons; how can you loose?
Eh, no make fun. He get 100 hours or training/experience.
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: omnigun on August 13, 2021, 01:14:42 PM
Eh, no make fun. He get 100 hours or training/experience.

I would make a poor soldier,  much better use on the technology side.  Not the best shot,  not really physically fit anymore.  I would be much better suited for cyber warfare.  But if push came to shove I would always side with the USA. 
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Glasser on August 13, 2021, 01:54:42 PM
Lack of Reading comprehension + Narcissism is hilarious.

 I make posts like 'Dummy thinks, Idiots says, Moron doesn't understand, etc etc' and the Windowlicker instantly thinks  'Hey he's talking about me!'

That's not being attacked, that's volunteering like a Moron.

There is no draft to be the village idiot.



Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: aletheuo137 on August 13, 2021, 01:55:29 PM
Eh, no make fun. He get 100 hours or training/experience.
Would that be on a video game?

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Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 02:05:35 PM
Would that be on a video game?

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That too.  Expert. . .
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: aletheuo137 on August 13, 2021, 03:43:47 PM
That too.  Expert. . .
What other experiences would he have?

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Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: ren on August 13, 2021, 03:48:24 PM
Would that be on a video game?

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(https://nintendoeverything.com/wp-content/uploads/ikari-warriors.jpg)

anyone remember Microworlds across HCC?
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 04:05:42 PM
I would make a poor soldier,  much better use on the technology side.  Not the best shot,  not really physically fit anymore.  I would be much better suited for cyber warfare.  But if push came to shove I would always side with the USA.
Just stop. The point? Toooootally missed.

Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: aletheuo137 on August 13, 2021, 04:11:10 PM
Just stop. The point? Toooootally missed.
The boy wants his 15 posts of fame.

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Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: macsak on August 13, 2021, 04:29:06 PM
But you never enlisted or is this a veiled threat against two members of this forum?

as long as the 2 members aren't low/left, they are safe...
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 05:30:26 PM
as long as the 2 members aren't low/left, they are safe...
Only safe from #notrealdoctors
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: aletheuo137 on August 13, 2021, 05:33:18 PM
Only safe from #notrealdoctors
And... don't own any firearms or reloading equipment

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Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: macsak on August 13, 2021, 07:29:26 PM
Only safe from #notrealdoctors

poof poof ammo can be outrun...
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: drck1000 on August 13, 2021, 08:11:44 PM
poof poof ammo can be outrun...
#wegotry
#proveninexperience
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: MassConfusion on August 20, 2021, 09:17:26 AM
Sorry to raise this topic and break the omni drama.

Saw this and thought it was interesting to at least read /  listen to.  Not sure where they get their monetary figures from.
I'm not going to agree with everything said but would not say it is a bad idea.

https://friendsoftheoriginalconstitution.org/
Title: Re: Is a 'National Divorce' Inevitable?
Post by: Kuleana on August 20, 2021, 09:33:51 AM
Sorry to raise this topic and break the omni drama.

Saw this and thought it was interesting to at least read /  listen to.  Not sure where they get their monetary figures from.
I'm not going to agree with everything said but would not say it is a bad idea.

https://friendsoftheoriginalconstitution.org/
Getting rid of the ultrawealthy that run the US empire was the only thing the American citizenry could do to regain their Republic.

Unfortunately, the ultrawealthy's manufactured and covertly funded divisions that currently exist in America have become very real; hence, the dissolution of the US empire is inevitable.