Post by: pacwire on August 24, 2021, 02:36:18 PM
Dumb me went down to HPD today (Tuesday) @ 10:30AM. I thought we can just "stand by" for a Registration and NOT a Permit to Acquire....There were three people in Front of me. Luckly I asked the HPD Officer who was "nice" how long the stand by will be ...."well, i would tell you that we need to do appointments FIRST so the last appointment is 2:10pm. I would recommend you come back Thursday at 0630...." Just thought i would "share"....:
Aloha!
Brian
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 24, 2021, 02:44:46 PM
There is no rush to reg as Ige's proclamation waives this.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 24, 2021, 03:14:33 PM
The "walk ins" aren't really walk ins. You are given a number at 7am. If you're gone and that number was called, then no soup for you. So basically if you have a high number, then you have to be a future teller as to when to come back. Or stand in line all day.
There is no rush to reg as Ige's proclamation waives this.
All depends on your timing. If you get there when no one is in line -- appointment or not -- you can just cruise on through the registration line.
As for Ige's proclamation, it delegates authority to waive the registration time limit to the Chief of Police. The proclamation itself doesn't waive it. FYI.
Post by: 6716J on August 24, 2021, 04:18:16 PM
Post by: pacwire on August 24, 2021, 05:20:42 PM
Aloha!
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 24, 2021, 06:18:45 PM
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 24, 2021, 06:22:17 PM
All
Dumb me went down to HPD today (Tuesday) @ 10:30AM. I thought we can just "stand by" for a Registration and NOT a Permit to Acquire....There were three people in Front of me. Luckly I asked the HPD Officer who was "nice" how long the stand by will be ...."well, i would tell you that we need to do appointments FIRST so the last appointment is 2:10pm. I would recommend you come back Thursday at 0630...." Just thought i would "share"....:
Aloha!
Brian
So is the officer saying standby is after all appointments which in your case was 2:10 pm. Will they take the standby's after the last appointment?
So one viable strategy is to show up later in the afternoon and stand in standby line?
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Post by: 6716J on August 25, 2021, 12:58:49 PM
The waiver of the 5 day period is no longer in effect as of August 5th and the latest proclamation by the Frog
https://governor.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2108026-ATG_Emergency-Proc-for-COVID-19-Response-distribution-signed.pdf
Post by: pewpewgoesthegun on August 25, 2021, 04:04:38 PM
Side note to all
The waiver of the 5 day period is no longer in effect as of August 5th and the latest proclamation by the Frog
https://governor.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/2108026-ATG_Emergency-Proc-for-COVID-19-Response-distribution-signed.pdf
Not saying you're wrong, but HPD on the records side said that they're still not enforcing the 5 day period due to the whole covid thing. Then again, I don't have it in writing, so I'm taking this at that one cop's word.
Post by: omnigun on August 25, 2021, 04:17:40 PM
Not saying you're wrong, but HPD on the records side said that they're still not enforcing the 5 day period due to the whole covid thing. Then again, I don't have it in writing, so I'm taking this at that one cop's word.
Yeah if they limit the opportunities to register and stay legal it would be a hard sell to penalize you.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 27, 2021, 09:04:45 AM
Not saying you're wrong, but HPD on the records side said that they're still not enforcing the 5 day period due to the whole covid thing. Then again, I don't have it in writing, so I'm taking this at that one cop's word.
Makes sense. Kinda hard to enforce it if there are no means to allow law-abiding citizens to comply with the law.
And taking 50 people a day doesn't seem to cut it, especially now with Covid, civil unrest, and a questionable POTUS. This would mean they need to make changes, either increase hours of operation or utilizing more people.
But then, since when did "sense" comes to play in anything leadership does.
Post by: Gshift on August 27, 2021, 11:28:06 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 27, 2021, 12:30:04 PM
Makes sense. Kinda hard to enforce it if there are no means to allow law-abiding citizens to comply with the law.
Doesn't matter, the law is the law. Al it takes is an over zealous prosecutor who wants to make a name for themselves. In the mean time say HPD finds the gun in your home. You get arrested and have to post bail. Hopefully you don't miss work while you're trying to bail. Then you need to hire an attorney and have that person prove that there were circumstances that led to you to not registering the gun. Then the judge would have to feel the same way and rule in your favor. I say feel because per the law, it was unreg, thus illegal regardless of "how difficult life was made" for you.
So take what they guy at the window said with a grain of salt, because he isn't the one who will show up at your home.
The question that I don't have the answer to is that the last proc about this was #21. Ige's newest proc isn't #22, but instead has a different title to it. So does this new proc replace or add too the #21 proc? I'm leaning toward replacing because it does mention the same HRS that have been suspended (excluding HRS134). If it was an add on, it wouldn't mention the same HRS's.
Post by: 6716J on August 27, 2021, 01:51:09 PM
Doesn't matter, the law is the law. Al it takes is an over zealous prosecutor who wants to make a name for themselves. In the mean time say HPD finds the gun in your home. You get arrested and have to post bail. Hopefully you don't miss work while you're trying to bail. Then you need to hire an attorney and have that person prove that there were circumstances that led to you to not registering the gun. Then the judge would have to feel the same way and rule in your favor. I say feel because per the law, it was unreg, thus illegal regardless of "how difficult life was made" for you.
So take what they guy at the window said with a grain of salt, because he isn't the one who will show up at your home.
The question that I don't have the answer to is that the last proc about this was #21. Ige's newest proc isn't #22, but instead has a different title to it. So does this new proc replace or add too the #21 proc? I'm leaning toward replacing because it does mention the same HRS that have been suspended (excluding HRS134). If it was an add on, it wouldn't mention the same HRS's.
Steve Alm....
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 27, 2021, 02:26:34 PM
Doesn't matter, the law is the law. Al it takes is an over zealous prosecutor who wants to make a name for themselves. In the mean time say HPD finds the gun in your home. You get arrested and have to post bail. Hopefully you don't miss work while you're trying to bail. Then you need to hire an attorney and have that person prove that there were circumstances that led to you to not registering the gun. Then the judge would have to feel the same way and rule in your favor. I say feel because per the law, it was unreg, thus illegal regardless of "how difficult life was made" for you.
So take what they guy at the window said with a grain of salt, because he isn't the one who will show up at your home.
The question that I don't have the answer to is that the last proc about this was #21. Ige's newest proc isn't #22, but instead has a different title to it. So does this new proc replace or add too the #21 proc? I'm leaning toward replacing because it does mention the same HRS that have been suspended (excluding HRS134). If it was an add on, it wouldn't mention the same HRS's.
You probably won't be going to jail for having an unregistered firearm as the sole charge unless you're a repeat offender. If the HPD processing policies were the primary cause, you'll likely be let off with community service or less.
"(b) Any person who violates section 134-3(a) shall be guilty of a petty misdemeanor."
"§134-3 Registration, mandatory, exceptions. (a) Every resident or other person arriving in the State who brings or by any other manner causes to be brought into the State a firearm of any description, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, shall register the firearm within five days after arrival of the person or of the firearm, whichever arrives later, with the chief of police of the county of the person's place of business or, if there is no place of business, the person's residence or, if there is neither a place of business nor residence, the person's place of sojourn."
Petty Misdemeanor: A petty misdemeanor is the least serious type of criminal offense in Hawaii, punishable by up to 30 days in jail and a fine of up to $1,000. (Haw. Rev. Stat. § § 706-640, 706-663.) For example, an assault (injury to another) that occurs during a fight or scuffle that the victim willingly entered into is punishable as a petty misdemeanor.
If you're not prohibited from owning a firearm, registration is an administrative oversight, not an actual crime (who was the victim?).
BTW, if you ARE prohibited from owning a gun, you can't be charged with failure to register under the 5th Amendment to the Constitution. So there's that, too.
Post by: DEROS on August 27, 2021, 02:30:39 PM
Just guessing but after 3 weeks of walk ins, HPD may have taken care of all the people that bought a gun but had to wait to apply for a PTA or had a gun but need to register. Now it is just people that is buying a new gun or new people coming into Hawaii with guns.
However, it could be just be slow Friday and no one wanted to wait in line to get into a line.
Post by: changemyoil66 on August 27, 2021, 02:33:34 PM
You probably won't be going to jail for having an unregistered firearm as the sole charge unless you're a repeat offender. If the HPD processing policies were the primary cause, you'll likely be let off with community service or less.
"(b) Any person who violates section 134-3(a) shall be guilty of a petty misdemeanor."
"§134-3 Registration, mandatory, exceptions. (a) Every resident or other person arriving in the State who brings or by any other manner causes to be brought into the State a firearm of any description, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, shall register the firearm within five days after arrival of the person or of the firearm, whichever arrives later, with the chief of police of the county of the person's place of business or, if there is no place of business, the person's residence or, if there is neither a place of business nor residence, the person's place of sojourn."
Petty Misdemeanor: A petty misdemeanor is the least serious type of criminal offense in Hawaii, punishable by up to 30 days in jail and a fine of up to $1,000. (Haw. Rev. Stat. § § 706-640, 706-663.) For example, an assault (injury to another) that occurs during a fight or scuffle that the victim willingly entered into is punishable as a petty misdemeanor.
If you're not prohibited from owning a firearm, registration is an administrative oversight, not an actual crime (who was the victim?).
BTW, if you ARE prohibited from owning a gun, you can't be charged with failure to register under the 5th Amendment to the Constitution. So there's that, too.
You're probably right, but all depends. So people are taking a risk. And would you get the guns back or allowed to purchase more? Had the recent Roa v.C&C case that was won. He had a misdemeanor (disorderly conduct) and denied getting his guns back . And a TRO that was lifted due to lack of evidence. Luckily his case was won, but a year later only after his attorneys got involved.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 27, 2021, 02:46:44 PM
You're probably right, but all depends. So people are taking a risk. And would you get the guns back or allowed to purchase more? Had the recent Roa v.C&C case that was won. He had a misdemeanor (disorderly conduct) and denied getting his guns back . And a TRO that was lifted due to lack of evidence. Luckily his case was won, but a year later only after his attorneys got involved.
If the misdemeanor was related to domestic abuse, then that's grounds for gun prohibition.
From ATF Form 4473:
- Have you ever been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence, or are you or have you ever been a member of
the military and been convicted of a crime that included, as an element, the use of force against a person as identified in the instructions?
Ordinarily, you have to be currently charged, or convicted, of a felony to be prohibited. Certain misdemeanors were added as time progressed based on how violent the crimes were.
Post by: omnigun on August 27, 2021, 02:49:53 PM
Steve Alm....
Glad he got brought back to earth for his dymbass decision. Don't think he will make that mistake again.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 27, 2021, 03:01:25 PM
I going try. Monday would be my 3rd day of the 5 day registration period.
Does HPD give leeway for trying? Not sure if I can come early monday.
Oh well. Gotta keep trying.
What else can do?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on August 27, 2021, 03:05:03 PM
I went at 1:30 today to register and asked nicely if there are any time slots available but the officer said no. He told me come monday morning.
I going try. Monday would be my 3rd day of the 5 day registration period.
Does HPD give leeway for trying? Not sure if I can come early monday.
Oh well. Gotta keep trying.
What else can do?
Ask if the 5-day registration period is being enforced, or if the COVID proclamation that waived it is still being followed.
:shaka:
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 27, 2021, 05:51:09 PM
Ask if the 5-day registration period is being enforced, or if the COVID proclamation that waived it is still being followed.
:shaka:
I should have asked today. Of course I never thought of it until I got back home. Definitely will ask if next week if I get cut off again.
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 30, 2021, 06:45:06 AM
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Post by: changemyoil66 on August 30, 2021, 10:05:41 AM
Post by: hilokane on August 30, 2021, 10:49:50 AM
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 30, 2021, 12:12:36 PM
I dunno. I managed to register today. I had a 9:20 slot but noticed the guy in front of me was walking out of the door a few minutes before 9:00. He had a 9:10 slot.
So I stood in line and sure enough nobody inside and the officer waved me in. It was only 9:11.
So I figure they bound to take care of everyone prior to 4 pm if everything goes the way it was going. They should be able to take a few more show-ups.
But that's entirely up to them. I have a feeling they could of took me last Friday. But maybe not. Or they just wanted to pack up and go home on time.
Post by: OctopusEater on August 30, 2021, 03:08:11 PM
I tried last Friday to register. I showed up around 1:30. Officer said they full.
I dunno. I managed to register today. I had a 9:20 slot but noticed the guy in front of me was walking out of the door a few minutes before 9:00. He had a 9:10 slot.
So I stood in line and sure enough nobody inside and the officer waved me in. It was only 9:11.
So I figure they bound to take care of everyone prior to 4 pm if everything goes the way it was going. They should be able to take a few more show-ups.
But that's entirely up to them. I have a feeling they could of took me last Friday. But maybe not. Or they just wanted to pack up and go home on time.
Is there a separate line for PTA? What’s the latest I can arrive and still make it? Thanks.
Post by: pacwire on August 30, 2021, 03:39:02 PM
Aloha!
Brian
Post by: stangzilla on August 30, 2021, 03:59:48 PM
https://www.honolulupd.org/information/firearms/
Post by: OctopusEater on August 30, 2021, 05:05:30 PM
It's my understanding PTA is ONLY Tuesday and Thurday. The last time i pulled a PTA, i was number 48 of 50. I arrived at 0630. Wow. Last thursday i did a gun Registration. Arrived a little after 6AM I was number 2.
Aloha!
Brian
Thanks!
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 30, 2021, 05:38:34 PM
Is there a separate line for PTA? What’s the latest I can arrive and still make it? Thanks.
If you go for a PTA on M-W-F, they form a "standby line". In case there is a cancellation or no show, those in the standby line can then take those time slots.
If you go on a Tues/Thurs., a walk in line forms prior to 7am. At 7am they will start giving out time slots to the first 50 people in line. My experience is you have to go early on these days. I started lining up at 5:30 am and ended up #10 in line. I showed up previously at 6:40 am and couldn't get a time slot because they only take 50 people a day.
And yes, whatever day you go, it is best to ask those in line to confirm which line is registration and which line is PTA. They will form 2 separate lines.
My experiences were when they first started the PTA walk-ins the week of 8/10. Lots of people showed up and only the really early arrivals were serviced. Not sure if the lines eased up a bit.
My advice based on my experience is if you really want a PTA, go on a Tues/Thurs. and go really early (5:00 to:530 am). It's a pain in the ass but it is the reality I experienced.
Going for a PTA on M-W-F is a crapshoot. It's a standby line and priority will be given to those who made appointments first, then standby next.
I don't know if M-W-F is better for PTA. I do know Tues./Thurs. was a madhouse.
Maybe someone who did the standby line can shed better light on this?
Post by: kptheplatypus on August 30, 2021, 09:14:48 PM
Ask if the 5-day registration period is being enforced, or if the COVID proclamation that waived it is still being followed.
:shaka:
Granted it was 2 months ago, but when I registered my pistol they told me that the 5 day period is suspended due to COVID but to try to get in as soon as I can so it gets done
Post by: omnigun on August 31, 2021, 06:30:12 AM
If you go for a PTA on M-W-F, they form a "standby line". In case there is a cancellation or no show, those in the standby line can then take those time slots.
If you go on a Tues/Thurs., a walk in line forms prior to 7am. At 7am they will start giving out time slots to the first 50 people in line. My experience is you have to go early on these days. I started lining up at 5:30 am and ended up #10 in line. I showed up previously at 6:40 am and couldn't get a time slot because they only take 50 people a day.
And yes, whatever day you go, it is best to ask those in line to confirm which line is registration and which line is PTA. They will form 2 separate lines.
My experiences were when they first started the PTA walk-ins the week of 8/10. Lots of people showed up and only the really early arrivals were serviced. Not sure if the lines eased up a bit.
My advice based on my experience is if you really want a PTA, go on a Tues/Thurs. and go really early (5:00 to:530 am). It's a pain in the ass but it is the reality I experienced.
Going for a PTA on M-W-F is a crapshoot. It's a standby line and priority will be given to those who made appointments first, then standby next.
I don't know if M-W-F is better for PTA. I do know Tues./Thurs. was a madhouse.
Maybe someone who did the standby line can shed better light on this?
HPD site says not allowed to line up before 7am. So I'm guessing that's not enforced?
Post by: pacwire on August 31, 2021, 06:43:34 AM
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Post by: drck1000 on August 31, 2021, 08:22:43 AM
line was past the elevators at 6:40 am this morningWas past there at 0620 ish this morning. . . :(
Post by: QUIETShooter on August 31, 2021, 09:29:43 AM
HPD site says not allowed to line up before 7am. So I'm guessing that's not enforced?n
It's a gray area that they seem to tolerate. Many people start showing up from 5am forward. They put a sign about 10 ft. away from the concrete wall that abuts the building itself. The line starts there and I guess theoretically the line isn't being formed in front of HPD. The line has been known to grow past the elevator of the underground parking structure before 6:30 am.
Every once in a while they come out and remind people to social distance and not get too close to each other.
Post by: DEROS on August 31, 2021, 11:40:01 AM
nThere is no line. Just disciplined like minded citizen visiting their local public police department.
It's a gray area that they seem to tolerate. Many people start showing up from 5am forward. They put a sign about 10 ft. away from the concrete wall that abuts the building itself. The line starts there and I guess theoretically the line isn't being formed in front of HPD. The line has been known to grow past the elevator of the underground parking structure before 6:30 am.
Every once in a while they come out and remind people to social distance and not get too close to each other.
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Post by: pukas84 on September 01, 2021, 10:19:14 AM
Post by: pacwire on September 02, 2021, 08:03:58 AM
Arrived 5:54AM
Got a PTA for return @ 11:10AM
Also Registering a Handgun: Got that one @ 10:30
so far a good day!
Aloha!
Post by: macsak on September 02, 2021, 09:18:39 AM
was probably closer to 7 am
i waved (black brz)
line was further past the elevators than tuesday...
Wanted to Share my results @ HPD this Morning Sept 2nd
Arrived 5:54AM
Got a PTA for return @ 11:10AM
Also Registering a Handgun: Got that one @ 10:30
so far a good day!
Aloha!
Post by: Phazuka on September 02, 2021, 03:18:47 PM
I went to register on Monday and was told their system was "down" and to come back another day... anyone else experience this?I went that same Monday and the system was down. They took my Permit to Acquire and signed the back. I went back and the day was fully booked and told to come back the next day. Then I tried again this week and got a high lotto number and I couldn't wait to sign the registration on the touch screen. I'll try one more time tomorrow, Friday before labor đay weekend.....
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Post by: OctopusEater on September 03, 2021, 03:03:57 AM
Post by: stangzilla on September 03, 2021, 09:06:57 AM
I went that same Monday and the system was down. They took my Permit to Acquire and signed the back. I went back and the day was fully booked and told to come back the next day. Then I tried again this week and got a high lotto number and I couldn't wait to sign the registration on the touch screen. I'll try one more time tomorrow, Friday before labor đay weekend.....
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Their system "goes down" quite often lately
Post by: toku58 on September 03, 2021, 09:28:57 AM
They make it almost impossible to be a law abiding person!
Post by: DocMercy on September 03, 2021, 10:20:04 AM
There were special forms for people using Kaiser or Straub. I did not peruse the bins. Hope the language is clarified to deal with legalities.
The office that does applications for permits is still quoting 6 calendar days to pick up the permit. Under worst case conditions, only 3 days may be available to accomplish this, when the period overlaps a three day weekend.
Here is some info we need to add to the general FAQ.
What if you need to go to the bathroom before 0815?
What is the least expensive place to park? (No garages are open before 0600).
Should you bring your own chair if you queue up very early? I would say yes to that.
Has anyone picked up the permit and registered a weapon in the same day?
Is the Tuesday that follows a Monday holiday the worst time to visit HPD for gun related processing, or is Black Friday the worst day?
Post by: drck1000 on September 03, 2021, 10:56:08 AM
Saw another 2ahawaii member who needed to get something done at HPD asap. Arriving before 6 AM improves your odds considerably. As others have noted, the line will go past the first sprinkler by 0650. I saw a nice looking woman in the middle of the line. Could she be an Olympic shooter? ;) I was thinking about trading my #1 spot in the line for her secret tips."Just the tip"? ;D
SNIP
Post by: toku58 on September 03, 2021, 12:07:01 PM
Post by: DocMercy on September 08, 2021, 12:27:31 PM
Here is some info we need to add to the general FAQ.
What if you need to go to the bathroom before 0815?
Answer: As long as there is a cop by the booth near the pedestrian entrance/scanner, you can use one of two bathrooms, female or unisex. It is to the left of the cop. Opens nominally around 0745.
What is the least expensive place to park?
Answer: Level P3 below HPD, and the Civic Center Municipal Parking Lot (S Beretania entrance past Alapai) seem to offer parking that early or earlier, with no money needed in the meter, until the posted enforcement period (after 8:30AM, check the signs) begins. P3 requires 25 cents every 10 minutes, with a max parking time of 3 hours. That adds up to $4.50 according to my calculator. The Insurance garage (SP+) at 850 S Beretania will charge you $18 for three hours. It is entered from the south, not the north. Dr. Pake (me) has parked as far away as Young St for free. But, the walk is long and only recommended if you are really cheap.
Has anyone picked up the permit and registered a weapon in the same day?
Yes. It has happened. Vibes are very important. Sometimes, life depends on luck.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 08, 2021, 12:57:51 PM
Has anyone picked up the permit and registered a weapon in the same day?
Yes. It has happened. Vibes are very important. Sometimes, life depends on luck.
I sold my son in law 2 handguns. We picked up his permit, signed over the guns, and registered both in his name -- all in one visit.
The registration vestibule was completely empty. No line and no one with an appointment.
We went just after noon. Left before 12:30.
Post by: Kalikikopa on September 13, 2021, 04:00:08 PM
I would like to mention that all the officers working were friendly, and quickly finished all the paperwork needed. If anyone from HPD is reading this, Thank you for the great work and great attitudes.
Post by: dafrtknocker on September 15, 2021, 05:13:23 PM
Post by: DocMercy on September 17, 2021, 12:16:46 PM
I would like to mention that all the officers working were friendly, and quickly finished all the paperwork needed. If anyone from HPD is reading this, Thank you for the great work and great attitudes.
These officers are very mellow and getting very efficient at the whole process. I went in on Friday Sept. 17 to pick up two permits to acquire, one for long guns and the other for a pistol.
When you go in to get your pistol permit (phase 2), they let you jump ahead of the owners who are registering a weapon. That seems to be a nice gesture on their part, since most people need to travel all the way back to their dealer to pick up the pistol.
Wrong information above corrected. Probable misunderstanding of answer to a question while querying an official. 9-23-21
Post by: zhuzhits on September 20, 2021, 10:18:32 AM
If you do not register it in 10 days, the PTA process has to be repeated.
So they will confiscate the firearm and force you to re-apply?
Post by: DEROS on September 20, 2021, 12:27:30 PM
So they will confiscate the firearm and force you to re-apply?Not sure if they take your gun however it shouldn’t be a problem getting your gun registered within 10days.
I went in today at 800 and was given #17 or 40. I think a lot of the back log is over and it is getting easier to come in later in the day and still get a walk in appointment number.
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Post by: zhuzhits on September 20, 2021, 01:29:36 PM
Not sure if they take your gun however it shouldn’t be a problem getting your gun registered within 10days.Maybe. But there's a shitload of people who still haven't reg'd under the assumption there was no definitive time requirement.
I was there earlier this month, and the huge white cop was asked- he admitted there was no time requirement, but told the guy, "come in as soon as you can".
This is BS if they only giving 10 days, unless they grandfather the guys from earlier.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 20, 2021, 02:01:52 PM
Maybe. But there's a shitload of people who still haven't reg'd under the assumption there was no definitive time requirement.
I was there earlier this month, and the huge white cop was asked- he admitted there was no time requirement, but told the guy, "come in as soon as you can".
This is BS if they only giving 10 days, unless they grandfather the guys from earlier.
I doubt anyone will have their gun/s confiscated.
The law requires you to get a permit to acquire. Once acquired, all the hurdles have been navigated for possession/ownership.
For registration, if HPD is enforcing a 5-day, 10-day or some other time limit, they reportedly call you to give you a gentle reminder to come in and register. So, even if you busted the 5-days in the law before COVID, you didn't get your gun confiscated, and you damn sure didn't have to redo the PTA!
Imagine having to apply for another permit, take the permit to the person/dealer to sign, and also have the dealer re-send the firearm info to HPD again. There's no logical rationale for that.
Now, IF they decide you ignored your phone reminders, the law only requires them to charge you with a petty misdemeanor. That doesn't require confiscating a legally acquired firearm.
If they decide to make up their own laws and tell you to surrender the gun, THEN they may have a policy that requires you to go through the permit process again to retrieve it.
Basically, if you make the effort to register after being reminded, nothing bad will happen to you. If they don't remind you, you may not be on their list of expected registrations.
Post by: zhuzhits on September 20, 2021, 02:13:39 PM
Hopefully the robots at HPD & C&C are holding on to whatever little bit of reason they have left in their smooth brains.
Post by: DocMercy on September 20, 2021, 02:18:28 PM
I was there earlier this month, and the huge white cop was asked- he admitted there was no time requirement, but told the guy, "come in as soon as you can".
This is BS if they only giving 10 days, unless they grandfather the guys from earlier.
I will ask again when I re-visit my favorite place in town, HPD HQ. On the signed off permit to acquire form, there is a line near the bottom which reads: THIS PERMIT IS VOID AFTER blah blah. I have the gun in my hand, signed off by the dealer, last Friday. If the cop who told me I needed to bring the weapon in for registration within 10 days is right, then the consequences could be unpleasant, should I miss the deadline. If he meant that I needed to pick up the gun, within a certain amount of time, then this leaves open the question of registration.
Last Friday, there was a guy who had not registered for two months. Alas, I did not stick around to find out whether he was successful or not.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 20, 2021, 02:27:16 PM
I will ask again when I re-visit my favorite place in town, HPD HQ. On the signed off permit to acquire form, there is a line near the bottom which reads: THIS PERMIT IS VOID AFTER blah blah. I have the gun in my hand, signed off by the dealer, last Friday. If the cop who told me I needed to bring the weapon in for registration within 10 days is right, then the consequences could be unpleasant, should I miss the deadline. If he meant that I needed to pick up the gun, within a certain amount of time, then this leaves open the question of registration.
Last Friday, there was a guy who had not registered for two months. Alas, I did not stick around to find out whether he was successful or not.
There are people reporting that a friend or relative (take it on faith) registered a firearm after having it for years. No questions asked. What is HPD going to do? Not register it?
Normally the "possession of an unregistered firearm" only comes up as an additional charge if you got charged with something else, like drug possession.
Yeah, the law and forms say the permit expires on a given date, but registration is a separate process. Once you've acquired the gun. the permit has been executed, and the expiration date is moot. BTW, as an example, if you owned a gun outside of Hawaii and bring it in, you don't need a PTA to register. Saying, "Your PTA expired, so you can't register" makes no sense.
HPD will tell you whatever they think will get you to comply. If you're honestly trying to comply, and they keep changing the rules, the confusion factor alone is enough for you to claim you weren't aware of the latest rule change.
Post by: omnigun on September 20, 2021, 02:45:00 PM
I will ask again when I re-visit my favorite place in town, HPD HQ. On the signed off permit to acquire form, there is a line near the bottom which reads: THIS PERMIT IS VOID AFTER blah blah. I have the gun in my hand, signed off by the dealer, last Friday. If the cop who told me I needed to bring the weapon in for registration within 10 days is right, then the consequences could be unpleasant, should I miss the deadline. If he meant that I needed to pick up the gun, within a certain amount of time, then this leaves open the question of registration.
Last Friday, there was a guy who had not registered for two months. Alas, I did not stick around to find out whether he was successful or not.
During covid era I have not registered pistols and long rifles for many months. I had no issues. HPD is out to help. They are understanding. This is hard times.
Post by: 6716J on September 21, 2021, 10:06:42 AM
During covid era I have not registered pistols and long rifles for many months. I had no issues. HPD is out to help. They are understanding. This is hard times.
Oh you funny.... Yeah, they're out to help you. Right out of your rights
Post by: omnigun on September 21, 2021, 10:11:40 AM
Oh you funny.... Yeah, they're out to help you. Right out of your rights
Most of them this is not the case. A select few bad apples shouldn't spoil the harvest.
Post by: DocMercy on September 22, 2021, 10:35:47 AM
The law requires you to get a permit to acquire. Once acquired, all the hurdles have been navigated for possession/ownership.
For registration, if HPD is enforcing a 5-day, 10-day or some other time limit, they reportedly call you to give you a gentle reminder to come in and register. So, even if you busted the 5-days in the law before COVID, you didn't get your gun confiscated, and you damn sure didn't have to redo the PTA!
I spoke to a senior officer this morning and he confirms everything Flapp says. While legally you have two days to register after you have picked up a weapon from a FFL dealer, this requirement is waived temporarily, BUT a clerk at HPD may call you after five days to remind you to come in to register the weapon. On Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, you have to wait in line to get a number and a time to show them the weapon. I have not tested the process on Tuesday or Thursday.
Since this is the first time I have registered a weapon, they have a process where you have to verify (by pointing into a box and pulling the trigger) that the weapon is empty. Visual inspection of the magazine and the chamber is not enough. Probably a good policy, since a military officer outlined a similar policy for entering a mess hall.
Do any indoor ranges in HI require you to show your HPD Firearms Registration form when you carry your own weapon into the place?
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 22, 2021, 11:39:25 AM
Do any indoor ranges in HI require you to show your HPD Firearms Registration form when you carry your own weapon into the place?
Not on Oahu.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 22, 2021, 02:35:34 PM
Do any indoor ranges in HI require you to show your HPD Firearms Registration form when you carry your own weapon into the place?
The courts ruled that the state can't compel anyone who can't legally possess/own a firearm to register it. If the owner tried to register a gun he illegally possesses, it would violate his 5th Amendment right against self incrimination.
Similarly, requiring anyone to show proof of registration would be forcing customers to incriminate themselves, whether for illegal firearm possession, or just for the crime of legally possessing an unregistered firearm.
In a nutshell, you can't be charged for not registering if you've already broken another gun law -- illegal possession. But, if you acquired the gun legally, you can be charged for not registering.
Makes perfect sense to me! :crazy:
Post by: groveler on September 22, 2021, 09:12:08 PM
The courts ruled that the state can't compel anyone who can't legally possess/own a firearm to register it. If the owner tried to register a gun he illegally possesses, it would violate his 5th Amendment right against self incrimination.
Similarly, requiring anyone to show proof of registration would be forcing customers to incriminate themselves, whether for illegal firearm possession, or just for the crime of legally possessing an unregistered firearm.
In a nutshell, you can't be charged for not registering if you've already broken another gun law -- illegal possession. But, if you acquired the gun legally, you can be charged for not registering.
Makes perfect sense to me! :crazy:
I strongly encourage everyone to register.
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Post by: Akubone1 on September 23, 2021, 11:12:53 AM
Post by: drck1000 on September 23, 2021, 11:14:10 AM
I know you need to go early and stand in line to get a registration appointment. Where do you park? Isn’t the parking structure closed early in the morning?There's parking in the C&C municipal lot across Alapai St.
Post by: QUIETShooter on September 23, 2021, 01:53:09 PM
There's parking in the C&C municipal lot across Alapai St.
Also want to add I didn't feed the meter until 8:30 when I parked there. Lots of people were doing the same. Quarter gets you 10 minutes. 3 hour max at a time.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 23, 2021, 02:05:02 PM
Also want to add I didn't feed the meter until 8:30 when I parked there. Lots of people were doing the same. Quarter gets you 10 minutes. 3 hour max at a time.
Better than Chinatown, 5 mins per quarter
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 23, 2021, 02:21:06 PM
I know you need to go early and stand in line to get a registration appointment. Where do you park? Isn’t the parking structure closed early in the morning?
Next to the police station is underground parking. The entrance is behind the station at the end of S. Hotel Street.
That lot is open all the time, as it's also where employees with HPD passes park. Metered parking for visitors is the entire row to your right as you enter the garage. There's an elevator at the far end of that row that takes you above ground so you can walk to the police station front entrance.
https://www.honolulupd.org/policy/policy-alapai-headquarters-parking/
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Post by: DocMercy on September 23, 2021, 07:25:35 PM
The entrance is behind the station at the end of S. Hotel Street.
That lot is open all the time, as it's also where employees with HPD passes park. Metered parking for visitors is the entire row to your right as you enter the garage. There's an elevator at the far end of that row that takes you above ground so you can walk to the police station front entrance.
You can put up to 2 hours of time on the meter, and parking there before 7:45 AM can theoretically get you a ticket even if the meter is blinking green. I don't know the odds of this happening, but the company/organization that maintains the lot has that power. I used a credit card over 10 days ago to pay for the meter, and I have yet to see this billed to me. It's as weird as U.S. Customs in late billing. Elevator from P (ground) to P3 (underground) was not functioning on Wednesday 9-21-21 due to a faulty button. Another annoying day in the PTA -> Registration process. If I go to a psychiatrist to complain about my aversion to visiting HPD, it will go on my medical record, and have to be disclosed on the next application. Grrrr. :'(
Question for the more experience forum members. There seem to be two time limits for registering a weapon once you acquire it. Five days for a long gun and two days for a hand gun, not withstanding the recent relaxation of the time to register.
The HRS states:
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§134-3 (b) Every person who acquires a firearm pursuant to section 134-2 shall register the firearm in the manner prescribed by this section within five days of acquisition. The registration of all firearms shall be on forms prescribed by the attorney general, which shall be uniform throughout the State, and shall include the following information: name of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; serial number; and source from which receipt was obtained, including the name and address of the prior registrant.
However, some sites state that the limit for pistol registration is two days, not five.
http://mccshawaii.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/FirearmsPurchaseProc.pdf (http://mccshawaii.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/FirearmsPurchaseProc.pdf)
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Return back to HPD Firearms Unit no later than 2 calendar days from acquisition for registration. You will need a valid ID, permit and firearm (in a gun case and unloaded) for registration. Visit honolulu.org for all requirements for registration.
Post by: DEROS on September 24, 2021, 08:51:57 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 24, 2021, 09:12:17 AM
If you are planning on doing an in person registration, you don't need to anymore! The law has been stricken for in person registration. HPD will need to create a process that will allow the gun owners to register their guns without having to bring it to HPD. Kick back at home, go to work, or do whatever you want until Honolulu provides the process. Unless you really want to go down town to register.
1 still has to reg, so I wouldn't say kick back at home. But it's your choice to do so. And Ige's proclamation doesn't waive registration anymore. Regardless if HPD says they won't enforce.
Since this just happened yesterday, there will be some confusion at HPD as to how to handle registration. Which is understandable.
Post by: drck1000 on September 24, 2021, 09:19:39 AM
For those in the registration process now, proceed with caution. . .
Post by: macsak on September 24, 2021, 09:48:20 AM
1 still has to reg, so I wouldn't say kick back at home. But it's your choice to do so. And Ige's proclamation doesn't waive registration anymore. Regardless if HPD says they won't enforce.
But in theory, 1 could go to HPD to register and not bring the gun. Instead bring all the info like make, model, serial number, etc...
Since this just happened yesterday, there will be some confusion at HPD as to how to handle registration. Which is understandable.
PLEASE do not do this...
Post by: DEROS on September 24, 2021, 10:46:55 AM
Last update I saw from HIFICO was "standby for more" on how HPD will proceed based on the latest updates on court issues. That update was coming today.
For those in the registration process now, proceed with caution. . .
You are right, my mind went into overdrive in enthusiasm. Now that I back down to earth, the police will most likely confiscate your gun for not registering, maybe even put you in jail. You will most likely beat the charges in court and you will most likely get your firearms back but the butt pain that you will have to endure may not be worth it. You will not be able to sue HPD because of qualified immunity because they will say it was a "Honest Mistake".
So, yea, it might be a good idea to continue to be good boys and girls by continuing to register you firearms in person within 5 days.
Post by: Mr. Hyde on September 26, 2021, 07:34:39 PM
Post by: DEROS on September 26, 2021, 07:43:20 PM
I apologize for my ignorance but I'm a little confused as far as the process to register goes. I purchased a rifle on Saturday and from what I understand the law says you have 5 days to register. I remember seeing some previous messages saying due to covid the 5 day period was waived for the time being. Is this still in effect? The person at the gun store where I purchased said "to do it as soon as possible". I'm trying to stay out of trouble and cannot find any solid information. Thank you in advance for the help.By law, it’s 5 days, including weekends and holidays. However, HPD has been lenient because they only accept 40 people a day for registration.
Now there is a new kink in the law…
As of last week, a ruling, that was denied a stay, made in person registration unconstitutional. This means HPD needs to come up with a process that allows someone to register any firearm without having to go to HPD. Effective date of ruling, NOW. However as you can see HPD doesn’t have a process yet. You still have to register but there is technically no process to register. So it goes back to in person if you want to follow the 5 day rule.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 26, 2021, 07:56:41 PM
Best thing to do is call HPD Firearms Section and ask.
They may be in violation of the court order if they tell you to follow the law until they figure it out, so it's good to find out from them what they are doing.
As has been discussed here, 5 days is the law, but HPD isn't going to go beating down doors or confiscating guns. They normally call and remind you to come in to register.
If you happen to get HPD to tell you what's going on, please update this thread so others know, too.
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Post by: Mr. Hyde on September 26, 2021, 08:00:43 PM
Post by: Mr. Hyde on September 27, 2021, 09:09:20 AM
Post by: Akubone1 on September 27, 2021, 10:18:18 AM
Post by: DocMercy on September 27, 2021, 10:29:14 AM
Post by: DEROS on September 27, 2021, 05:28:13 PM
I was on line this morning (around 6:30 AM) with a few braddahs. It was the lightest day I have seen yet. Over four people came after 8 AM asking about the registration process. One said he left his PTA at a military base and had to go back to get it. He did not have the weapon either (probably back at the base). The HPD officer was accommodating and gave him an appointment to return at 12:30 PM. I found it refreshing that they try to help you with your problems, and believe me, they have probably heard of every hiccup in the registration process.They are not trying to help. They don’t want another lawsuit for telling someone that they can’t register if they don’t have their gun physically there.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 27, 2021, 05:40:09 PM
They are not trying to help. They don’t want another lawsuit for telling someone that they can’t register if they don’t have their gun physically there.
It's one thing to violate our Constitutional rights. It's something else to have been ordered to stop and ignore the order. People would be losing their jobs, and the STATE could be sued, from the police chief to the Governor, for violations of our Constitutional rights.
So, I think they are walking on eggshells right now, trying not to violate the court's decision. The legislature needs to fix the law, but the Governor has the authority to decide if certain statutes or subsections won't be enforced until the legislature can amend it.
I'd be happy if HRS 134 completely disappeared tonight. There's nothing in it that's making our lives safer. And, yeah, I do want a suppressor! :geekdanc:
Post by: kptheplatypus on September 27, 2021, 06:02:27 PM
It's one thing to violate our Constitutional rights. It's something else to have been ordered to stop and ignore the order. People would be losing their jobs, and the STATE could be sued, from the police chief to the Governor, for violations of our Constitutional rights.
So, I think they are walking on eggshells right now, trying not to violate the court's decision. The legislature needs to fix the law, but the Governor has the authority to decide if certain statutes or subsections won't be enforced until the legislature can amend it.
I'd be happy if HRS 134 completely disappeared tonight. There's nothing in it that's making our lives safer. And, yeah, I do want a suppressor! :geekdanc:
I think we all want a suppressor 😭
Post by: DEROS on September 27, 2021, 06:12:03 PM
So, I think they are walking on eggshells right now, trying not to violate the court's decision.
I'd be happy if HRS 134 completely disappeared tonight. There's nothing in it that's making our lives safer. And, yeah, I do want a suppressor! :geekdanc:
The one thing I started doing during the long days of the lock down was to watch a lot of "auditors" in YouTube. I never realized that the "friendly" questions that police ask "perp" was to have the "perp" confess to the crime or to get information that the police legally can't force out of the "prep". For example "Do you know why I pulled you over?" or "Can I see your ID?" With that said, the Police without admitting that he is breaking the law by telling the "perp" that he needed to bring in his rifle and then get a number, the Police made it look like he was doing the "perp" a favor by giving him a afternoon time, giving time for the "prep" time to get the gun.
What would be very interesting to see is what the Police would say if a "perp" ask to register his firearms without presenting the firearm. Perp = "I'm here to register my rifle. I have written down the make, model, and serial number of the rifle."
I have a few suppressors in my garage. You might have heard of the manufactures. FRAM, STP, Mobile, eFE. :rofl:
Post by: Not the ATF on September 28, 2021, 12:36:33 AM
I have a few suppressors in my garage. You might have heard of the manufactures. FRAM, STP, Mobile, eFE. :rofl:
Hello, fellow 2A enthusiast. Please, keep talking. I am very interested.
Post by: DocMercy on September 28, 2021, 08:55:06 AM
I have a few suppressors in my garage.
I have just one in my house. The Wife. She believes in the NAG principle- Not Another Gun. Substitute Guitar for Gun, and that applies too. :worship:
Post by: kptheplatypus on September 28, 2021, 09:13:56 AM
I have just one in my house. The Wife. She believes in the NAG principle- Not Another Gun. Substitute Guitar for Gun, and that applies too. :worship:
That’s how my girlfriend is but I still get more guns 😳
Post by: Akubone1 on September 28, 2021, 09:56:00 AM
Post by: stangzilla on September 28, 2021, 10:14:52 AM
New registration/permit to acquire sucks. For those of us who can not just take off it's really difficult not being able to pre-schedule appointments. Dropped the kids off at school and went down at 0830. No more permit to acquire slots available. A bunch of people were turned away. Officer said to come down early 0600-0630 and stand in line. That's impossible if you need to take your kids to school. He said I could try tomorrow again because they'll have 10 slots available Mon, Wed, Fri. Tues & Thurs they have 40 open slots for permit to acquire. I did confirm that we don't have to physically bring our firearms down to register but getting the actual time slot is a hassle. I explained to the officer that for those working or have early morning commitments this new system is harder. Even if it was hard to get an appointment, I could take off that day because I knew I had a confirmed appointment time. Now it's just a big guess.
if we don't have to bring in the gun, why do we need to even go there?
doesn't save us a trip, still have to go down there
maybe a little easier, but the hard part is going down there
good that we dont need to bring the gun, but doesn't save me any time. still a PITA to go down there
when i do go down there, i like to bring several guns to register. otherwise it's not worth my time
it's difficult to rearaange my work schedule, rearrange my people that i am seeing that day and get them rescheduled, call them on the phone. its hard to just take off work for me. its not like i'm a greeter at Walmart
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 28, 2021, 10:26:35 AM
if we don't have to bring in the gun, why do we need to even go there?
doesn't save us a trip, still have to go down there
maybe a little easier, but the hard part is going down there
good that we dont need to bring the gun, but doesn't save me any time. still a PITA to go down there
when i do go down there, i like to bring several guns to register. otherwise it's not worth my time
it's difficult to rearaange my work schedule, rearrange my people that i am seeing that day and get them rescheduled, call them on the phone. its hard to just take off work for me. its not like i'm a greeter at Walmart
HIFICO is working on the recent ruling by the judge with HPD as to what their new procedure is.
It wouldn't surprise me if they are looking for a loop hole to keep things the same. Since the judges ruling was made and the stay was rejected, it would be easier for HPD to just say, "complete this form and no need bring the gun. Email, mail, or fax it to us". But then again, this is HPD that we're dealing with. Even if they had an online reg system where you just punch in all the info, I doubt it would work correctly. And cost tax payers lots of money to create the failed website.
Post by: Akubone1 on September 28, 2021, 10:39:13 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 28, 2021, 11:09:05 AM
I heard they are working on an online form to register…that would be awesome. However I hope it applies to permit to acquire. Just getting a time slot for PTA is difficult due to limited slots. If you can’t go early and wait in line then you’re screwed
I believe I read that HPD will be emailing both approved PTA forms and final registration forms. The deadline for the PTA emails to start is Dec 31.
I see no reason anyone buying a pistol can't complete the registration forms when they turn in the PTA application. Then, when HPD is notified the transfer is completed by virtue of the seller-signed PTA form, HPD can then email the registration. Not rocket science, but I'm curious what they come up with.
As for leaving the gun at home not saving time, it depends on your situation. Even IF you continue to be required to appear to register, not having the gun in your car if you have to go back to work, school, etc., it keeps you from breaking the "Places to keep" law. To be in compliance, many of us have to drive home to store the weapon before returning to work.
Personally, I was able to leave work a couple of hours early, do my business at HPD, and go straight home for the day. Not everyone can do that, especially if they have an early appointment/time slip.
I'm confused, Akubone1. If the officer told you to show up between 6:00-6:30am to stand in line, they are violating their department's policy. Assuming things haven't changed since updating their website, the HPD info page for firearms says you can't be in line before 7:00am. Perhaps someone heeds to discuss this inconsistency with the firearms section supervisor?
https://www.honolulupd.org/information/firearms/
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Post by: changemyoil66 on September 28, 2021, 11:16:57 AM
I'm confused, Akubone1. If the officer told you to show up between 6:00-6:30am to stand in line, they are violating their department's policy. Assuming things haven't changed since updating their website, the HPD info page for firearms says you can't be in line before 7:00am. Perhaps someone heeds to discuss this inconsistency with the firearms section supervisor?
https://www.honolulupd.org/information/firearms/
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The unofficial line is at the corner of the building. Seen at least 20 people lined up almost daily prior to 7am.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 28, 2021, 11:21:52 AM
The unofficial line is at the corner of the building. Seen at least 20 people lined up almost daily prior to 7am.
Somebody at HPD needs to either enforce the policy on the "unofficial line," or change it. The 7am policy is accomplishing nothing -- officially.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 28, 2021, 11:57:04 AM
Somebody at HPD needs to either enforce the policy on the "unofficial line," or change it. The 7am policy is accomplishing nothing -- officially.
The line worked in our favor. In response to the state wanting a stay on the Yukutake, etal... suit, Jon Abbott who's a HIFICO director made a statement to the response. It showed the pic of the line outside HPD when he was there to do firearm related business. Then went into detail on how he had to take the morning off and how much money he lost.
Sun Tsu-Don't correct your enemy if they're making a mistake.
Post by: zippz on September 28, 2021, 12:28:33 PM
New registration/permit to acquire sucks. For those of us who can not just take off it's really difficult not being able to pre-schedule appointments. Dropped the kids off at school and went down at 0830. No more permit to acquire slots available. A bunch of people were turned away. Officer said to come down early 0600-0630 and stand in line. That's impossible if you need to take your kids to school. He said I could try tomorrow again because they'll have 10 slots available Mon, Wed, Fri. Tues & Thurs they have 40 open slots for permit to acquire. I did confirm that we don't have to physically bring our firearms down to register but getting the actual time slot is a hassle. I explained to the officer that for those working or have early morning commitments this new system is harder. Even if it was hard to get an appointment, I could take off that day because I knew I had a confirmed appointment time. Now it's just a big guess.
I've been telling everyone that the appointment system was a good thing because of the reasons you stated. All that was needed was a standby line and solutions to fix abuse. With the fixes in my lawsuit the 3 HPD trips will be reduced to 1. We went after the (relatively) quick and easy fixes with the goal of saving people time and money. Getting rid of that final trip is going to be much more difficult. So in the future I would prefer the appointment system and standby line. But we also have the evening hours which should be coming up depending on how COVID goes.
Post by: kptheplatypus on September 28, 2021, 02:43:11 PM
I've been telling everyone that the appointment system was a good thing because of the reasons you stated. All that was needed was a standby line and solutions to fix abuse. With the fixes in my lawsuit the 3 HPD trips will be reduced to 1. We went after the (relatively) quick and easy fixes with the goal of saving people time and money. Getting rid of that final trip is going to be much more difficult. So in the future I would prefer the appointment system and standby line. But we also have the evening hours which should be coming up depending on how COVID goes.
Appt system was good and orderly, but would be a million times better if it wasn’t for 3 months out. Needs to be 30 days max but obviously might be a challenge with as many gun owners/ want to be owners here
Post by: DEROS on September 28, 2021, 06:45:18 PM
I've been telling everyone that the appointment system was a good thing because of the reasons you stated. All that was needed was a standby line and solutions to fix abuse. With the fixes in my lawsuit the 3 HPD trips will be reduced to 1. We went after the (relatively) quick and easy fixes with the goal of saving people time and money. Getting rid of that final trip is going to be much more difficult. So in the future I would prefer the appointment system and standby line. But we also have the evening hours which should be coming up depending on how COVID goes.HPD screwed up the reservation system. Allowed people to grab multiple date/time slots. If HPD brings it back for PTA, HPD needs to make sure one name, one time slot. No exchanges, no swapping, no giving to someone else.
Registration already settled. No need to be done in person.
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Post by: Phazuka on September 29, 2021, 04:11:35 PM
Their system "goes down" quite often latelyI still haven't officially electronically signed the registration paper and got a copy of the handgun being registered. I finally found work 12 hours a day from 6am to 6pm.
I'm going to try and get it done this Monday Oct 4th. I'm half expecting the SWAT team to roll up af 0430 before I'm up for work.
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Post by: Phazuka on September 29, 2021, 04:16:55 PM
HPD screwed up the reservation system. Allowed people to grab multiple date/time slots. If HPD brings it back for PTA, HPD needs to make sure one name, one time slot. No exchanges, no swapping, no giving to someone else.Is there a change in the registration process, Todd? I'm one of those tried to register when the system was down, signed the back of the registration hardcopy and told to come back another time. Only thing I haven't been able to do yet is sign on their touch pad and get a hard copy of the registration.
Registration already settled. No need to be done in person.
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Post by: kptheplatypus on September 29, 2021, 05:05:40 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 29, 2021, 05:55:09 PM
I have 2 firearms needing to be registered. Are we able to do it online yet? I’d go down to the station myself but I’m currently under quarantine for another week
If you can find the instructions for registering firearms online on the HPD website, then "YES!" Go for it.
If you can't find them, then "Nope -- not yet."
If you have questions about any procedures as they are changing, you can always call. They have always been more than helpful when I've called.
(808) 723-3190
https://www.honolulupd.org/information/firearms/
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 29, 2021, 10:20:25 PM
I have 2 firearms needing to be registered. Are we able to do it online yet? I’d go down to the station myself but I’m currently under quarantine for another weekCheck hifico facebook page or my post in legal section.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 29, 2021, 11:23:45 PM
Check hifico facebook page or my post in legal section.
I read your update on here. I think I came pretty close to the "nutshell" version. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
Post by: aletheuo137 on September 30, 2021, 08:13:41 AM
I have just one in my house. The Wife. She believes in the NAG principle- Not Another Gun. Substitute Guitar for Gun, and that applies too. :worship:So you're a player too!
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