Post by: DEROS on September 09, 2021, 04:10:02 PM
Someone report back if they go to HPD on Friday, 10 Sept, if this is true.
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Post by: poke on September 09, 2021, 05:23:50 PM
Post by: DEROS on September 09, 2021, 05:27:01 PM
My mistake. It starts on Monday, 13 Sept.
edit:
As I think about more, I guess HPD is not included. It is "State" facility that require COVID passport/neg test. HPD is a City/County facility. Lets see if the Mayor follow suit, which would suck.
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Post by: aaronc5362 on September 09, 2021, 06:30:15 PM
But as far as i know ige mandated all state workers to be vaccinated. So I can see why (not agreeing with him tho) state properties visited, you need a vax card or test results. Cause everyone who works their are vaxxed.
Last time I checked shopo said they will not enforce the officers to be vaxxed. So logically, they should NOT enforce visitors to vaxxed either. What would be the point of visitors being vaxxed or not if their residents (officers, admin, people in custody, etc.) Are not?
I do not keep up with the news on this subject or pretty much anything really unless I see it on YouTube lol.
Post by: bass monkey on September 09, 2021, 06:50:55 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong..
But as far as i know ige mandated all state workers to be vaccinated. So I can see why (not agreeing with him tho) state properties visited, you need a vax card or test results. Cause everyone who works their are vaxxed.
Last time I checked shopo said they will not enforce the officers to be vaxxed. So logically, they should NOT enforce visitors to vaxxed either. What would be the point of visitors being vaxxed or not if their residents (officers, admin, people in custody, etc.) Are not?
I do not keep up with the news on this subject or pretty much anything really unless I see it on YouTube lol.
Let's see if SHOPO backs their claims & supports the officer who got his termination letter
Post by: dafrtknocker on September 09, 2021, 07:51:27 PM
Honolulu police officer is facing termination for refusing vaccination
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/09/09/hawaii-news/hpd-officer-is-facing-termination-for-refusing-vaccination/
Post by: Glasser on September 09, 2021, 08:11:29 PM
Post by: aieahound on September 09, 2021, 10:44:57 PM
From the report.
Post by: aaronc5362 on September 10, 2021, 01:30:59 AM
HPD is city & county, not state.
True but its the government.. They can re word it and extend it to other things as how they see fit. Just like how some places in the mainland extended the government's power to mandate masks onto children. Their state gave the power to their dept. Of edumacation.. Lol
Just the way the world works .. I guess
Also if ALL OF HPD is required to get vaxxed then good chance all visitors will have to also....
And I did not know bout the officer's termination. Truly messed up.
Post by: QUIETShooter on September 10, 2021, 05:06:53 AM
In the news interview he seemed calm and collected. I would've been all bent out of shape, lol!
I would speculate he's contemplating suing the City.
And if he does I hope he wins.
Post by: aaronc5362 on September 10, 2021, 06:42:50 AM
Yeah, that officer only had about a year before being entitled for retirement. Pretty messed up. His wife is vaccinated but supports his decision for choosing not to be.
In the news interview he seemed calm and collected. I would've been all bent out of shape, lol!
I would speculate he's contemplating suing the City.
And if he does I hope he wins.
I hope he wins a lawsuit too.
Post by: HollowMan on September 10, 2021, 06:30:01 PM
Post by: omnigun on September 10, 2021, 08:56:55 PM
Question If they won't let you enter the building are they denying you your 2A rights?
That's true maybe this along with the recent lawsuit will actually change things. 🤔
Post by: aletheuo137 on September 11, 2021, 11:59:59 AM
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Post by: aaronc5362 on September 13, 2021, 09:40:11 AM
The mandate does NOT apply for pta and registration.
Just a heads up
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 13, 2021, 10:13:03 AM
Just spoke with Susie from HPD.
The mandate does NOT apply for pta and registration.
Just a heads up
Thanks for the info, "not yet" should be the phrase. It would have to be Rick who mandates it (C&C).
Post by: Glasser on September 13, 2021, 10:22:54 AM
Question If they won't let you enter the building are they denying you your 2A rights?
I did a PTA less than a year ago where they weren't letting folks into the building, they had officer come out, verify all your paper work, witness your sig and then they would walk it back in to the desk.
Maybe someone could suggest they set up a drive thru like COVID testing.
Post by: omnigun on September 13, 2021, 11:31:24 AM
Post by: DEROS on September 13, 2021, 01:28:33 PM
Hopefully soon they will eliminate the need to go to the station and get everything done with the LGS or FFL. Wonder what's happening with that lawsuit/implementation.I can agree with that. Let the FFL do all the work via online and consumer pay them for the service. We already pay FFL if we ship a gun to them, I willing to pay a little more to do the check and registration just to avoid the HPD process.
If bought from a LGS, this could be a free service added feature for buying local. With the exception of charging for the Rap Back check which could still be paid by the LGS at their discretion.
Heck! This is how California does it and they have way more radical gun control than Hawaii.
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Post by: aaronc5362 on September 13, 2021, 01:58:36 PM
I hope there is not a "not yet", if that makes sense lol. I spoke to some other friends as well as sechawaii. First off, sechawaii said they will not enforce vax or testing. Just the new norm of temp. Taking and mask. They also said , under their interpretation , the mandate applies to places where you have to sit down. Spending more than 15 minutes.
If pta and registration is in 10 or 15 min increments plus being a City and county place.. Then that's like 3 home runs for us people. I do not know if the mandate was extended to city and county property (hoping not 🙏) lol. If they had to take away all the chairs and tables in the pta and registration areas in order to bypass the vax mandate. I gladly will stand up. Lol
Hopefully no one goes to try and register 10+ guns at once lol. Then that may change their minds.
Post by: DEROS on September 14, 2021, 02:08:17 PM
Thanks for the info, "not yet" should be the phrase. It would have to be Rick who mandates it (C&C).If any one has 10+ it would be incoming military. However, the big influx of military is during summer, after school ends but before school starts.
I hope there is not a "not yet", if that makes sense lol. I spoke to some other friends as well as sechawaii. First off, sechawaii said they will not enforce vax or testing. Just the new norm of temp. Taking and mask. They also said , under their interpretation , the mandate applies to places where you have to sit down. Spending more than 15 minutes.
If pta and registration is in 10 or 15 min increments plus being a City and county place.. Then that's like 3 home runs for us people. I do not know if the mandate was extended to city and county property (hoping not) lol. If they had to take away all the chairs and tables in the pta and registration areas in order to bypass the vax mandate. I gladly will stand up. Lol
Hopefully no one goes to try and register 10+ guns at once lol. Then that may change their minds.
That would be a sight to see at a LGS having some one drop enough money to buy 10+ guns at one time, for personal use/ownership. It would make the LGS happy or scared if he thinks the person is up to no good.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 14, 2021, 02:12:45 PM
If any one has 10+ it would be incoming military. However, the big influx of military is during summer, after school ends but before school starts.
That would be a sight to see at a LGS having some one drop enough money to buy 10+ guns at one time, for personal use/ownership. It would make the LGS happy or scared if he thinks the person is up to no good.
Gun sellers, especially licensed dealers, have an obligation to refuse to sell guns to anyone they think (suspect) is "up to no good."
Short of that, there's nothing wrong with selling 10 guns in a single transaction. I believe most humans are only capable of firing one at a time effectively anyway.
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 14, 2021, 02:54:03 PM
Gun sellers, especially licensed dealers, have an obligation to refuse to sell guns to anyone they think (suspect) is "up to no good."AFT gets notified by FFL if X amount in a certain timeframe.
Short of that, there's nothing wrong with selling 10 guns in a single transaction. I believe most humans are only capable of firing one at a time effectively anyway.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 14, 2021, 03:09:17 PM
AFT gets notified by FFL if X amount in a certain timeframe.I think that for the most part is intended to ferret out people selling guns for profit without a license. The referenced statute is about obtaining a Federal Firearms License in order to legally buy and sell firearms as a business.
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Solicitation of this information is authorized under 18 U.S.C. § 923 (g). The information is
used to determine if the buyer (transferee) is involved in an unlawful activity. The information
is stored and retrieved in accordance with Justice/ATF-008 Regulatory Enforcement Record
System 68 FR 3558 dated January 24, 2003.
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The disposition of two or more pistols or revolvers to any nonlicensee during a period of 5 consecutive
business days must be reported on ATF Form 3310.4, Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of
Pistols and Revolvers, not later than the close of the business day on the day of disposition of the
second pistol or revolver. The licensee must forward a copy of the Form 3310.4 to the ATF office specified
thereon, and another copy must be forwarded to the State police or local law enforcement agency where
the sale occurred. A copy of the Form 3310.4 must also be attached to the ATF Form 4473 executed upon
delivery of the pistols or revolvers.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/must-licensee-advise-atf-if-two-or-more-pistols-or-revolvers-are-sold-or-otherwise
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/923
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/478.126a
Post by: omnigun on September 14, 2021, 05:00:35 PM
Thanks for the info, "not yet" should be the phrase. It would have to be Rick who mandates it (C&C).
I hope there is not a "not yet", if that makes sense lol. I spoke to some other friends as well as sechawaii. First off, sechawaii said they will not enforce vax or testing. Just the new norm of temp. Taking and mask. They also said , under their interpretation , the mandate applies to places where you have to sit down. Spending more than 15 minutes.
If pta and registration is in 10 or 15 min increments plus being a City and county place.. Then that's like 3 home runs for us people. I do not know if the mandate was extended to city and county property (hoping not 🙏) lol. If they had to take away all the chairs and tables in the pta and registration areas in order to bypass the vax mandate. I gladly will stand up. Lol
Hopefully no one goes to try and register 10+ guns at once lol. Then that may change their minds.
I registered 10 at once with no issues during peak panic. This was pre covid though. Post covid I think the max I took down was 8, that no minimum time to register was amazing. Collectors gotta collect :shaka: