Post by: DEROS on October 08, 2021, 12:43:17 PM
SCOTUS will be hearing the case New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Keith Corlett on Nov 3, 2021. This case deals with carry laws outside of the home. This got me thinking about the previous case District of Columbia v. Heller, decided in 2008, in which the court made it clear that a citizen had the right to bear arms in self-defense. However, there was key wording that many anti-2A latched on to, which was ‘Self Defense within the home”. Also, the Heller case did not answer the question about the requirement of a license to carry because the complainant did not dispute the need for a carry license. (What I understand about the history of the case is that DC required a carry license even at home, which, like Hawaii, had a very high bar to obtain. Without the license, the gun had to be in a safe or in a unassembled state, as to render the firearm useless from being immediately used as a firearm)
Understanding that we have the right to bear arms in self-defense to protect yourself at home, does Hawaii still require a carry license for that purpose? For example, if I had my pistol loaded with one in the chamber, in a holster, at home, and for some reason HPD knocked on my door (maybe selling tickets to the policemen ball) and I answer, would they have sufficient justification to arrest me for an open carry without a license (knowing that no regular citizen has been given a license).
The current license that is posted on HPD website is for concealed carry outside of the home, which we all know HPD will never approve. I tried searching and reading the current gun laws but there is no mention of needing a license to carry while in the home. I’m curious enough to apply for a carry license with one phrase “In accordance with the Supreme Court of the United States ruling, District of Columbia v. Heller, 2008, I request a home carry license for Self Defense”. Just to see what HPD would say. Does HPD have to give a written justification for a denial?
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 08, 2021, 12:50:54 PM
Example: In Nevada, it is illegal to conceal carry without a CCW permit. Even if inside your home. Good thing NV is shall issue so said permits are very easy to obtain. And NV has permit less open carry as well.
Post by: RSN172 on October 08, 2021, 06:27:36 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 08, 2021, 08:23:09 PM
They can't and won't do anything if they saw you open carrying in your home. You could do the same at your place of business as well. A lot of gun shop owners and even employees open carry in the shop.
True.
And if anyone feels the need to call 911 because they see me with a holstered handgun in my yard or living room, perhaps they should try leaving first?
Problem solved!
Post by: RSN172 on October 08, 2021, 08:54:36 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 08, 2021, 09:41:27 PM
True.Guy in WA got red flagged cause he was looking at his neighbors funny from inside his home, thru his window while holstering.
And if anyone feels the need to call 911 because they see me with a holstered handgun in my yard or living room, perhaps they should try leaving first?
Problem solved!
Neighbors said they never really talked to him b4 either.
Good thing HI's red flag law doesnt apply to neighbors.
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Post by: Kalikikopa on October 09, 2021, 01:14:06 AM
Does anyone know of people having issues with neighbors mistaking the airsoft for real firearms? If so, what would be best practice should the police one responding to someone shooting guns in their back yard?
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2021, 01:57:42 AM
I have to admit, I try my best to make sure my firearms (at least the ones I had before the tragic boating accident) can not be seen by any of my neighbors. My question is HPD knows I have registered firearms, but I'm really wanting to pick up a few airsoft rifles and handguns for practice at home.LOL! There's a thread for that!
Does anyone know of people having issues with neighbors mistaking the airsoft for real firearms? If so, what would be best practice should the police one responding to someone shooting guns in their back yard?
Look for shooting airsoft in a cemetery.
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 09, 2021, 07:41:41 AM
I'm a low key type of person. Like to fly under the radar.
My best friend is anti-gun. But he respects my decision to own firearms. Other than him, I believe there are only 3 other friends that know I own firearms, and they are firearm owners themselves.
Funny is these people also like to stay low key and do not disclose firearm ownership to those they don't trust or know well.
My best friend also respects my wishes and lately I've even convinced him on thinking of buying a rifle (he adamant on not owning a handgun) for home defense. Good for him. I might still be able to convince him about owning handguns...... ;D
Post by: Rocky on October 09, 2021, 08:00:08 AM
I have to admit, I try my best to make sure my firearms (at least the ones I had before the tragic boating accident) can not be seen by any of my neighbors. My question is HPD knows I have registered firearms, but I'm really wanting to pick up a few airsoft rifles and handguns for practice at home.
Does anyone know of people having issues with neighbors mistaking the airsoft for real firearms? If so, what would be best practice should the police one responding to someone shooting guns in their back yard?
Don't want LEO "mistaking the airsoft for real firearms" either.
Holster or better yet lay the "object" down before approaching responding officer.
#notalawyer
Post by: DEROS on October 09, 2021, 09:35:05 AM
I'm very careful about talking about firearms to anyone, even family members. My wife and my daughters all support my decision. They will not talk or inform anybody in their social circles about me owning firearms.
I'm a low key type of person. Like to fly under the radar.
My best friend is anti-gun. But he respects my decision to own firearms. Other than him, I believe there are only 3 other friends that know I own firearms, and they are firearm owners themselves.
Funny is these people also like to stay low key and do not disclose firearm ownership to those they don't trust or know well.
My best friend also respects my wishes and lately I've even convinced him on thinking of buying a rifle (he adamant on not owning a handgun) for home defense. Good for him. I might still be able to convince him about owning handguns...... ;D
Same thing with me. My Family and I talk to only very close friends or family that have the same like minds. Honestly most of the people that now I own guns are ok with it and wish they had one also for protection. However, life is so busy and expensive, many of them just can't afford to own, maintain, and practice.
Post by: DEROS on October 09, 2021, 09:58:07 AM
They can't and won't do anything if they saw you open carrying in your home. You could do the same at your place of business as well. A lot of gun shop owners and even employees open carry in the shop.
HPD "can't" and "won't". Are you serious? HPD will, have, and will continue to do whatever they want. They will hide behind the Union and Qualified Immunity. For example, ruling about registration. HPD website has not been updated to notify people that they don't need to physically come in or bring their firearms into HPD to register. Unless ask directly, HPD will continue to mislead the public that they still need to come in and bring the firearm.
My question was more of what happens after HPD arrest you for carry in house. Would the Attorney General of Hawaii say that carry in home is constitutional protected but you still need a license to do it?
Heller case said it was constitutional protected to carry in home but did not put any restriction on the state to require a license to do so. So, a state can still require a gun owner to get a license (which most likely WILL NOT be denied because of the SCOTUS ruling) to carry in home. Hawaii law is still very vague on requiring a license to carry in home. No where in the law provides any exception to the law. it only states "license to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor unconcealed on the person within the county where the license is granted." The home is "within the county". Also notice how the law only states the carry of a pistol or revolver but no rifles. So if you had a rifle slug over your back or front as you answer the door, that would be illegal?
Link to 134-9 Hawaii carry law: https://casetext.com/statute/hawaii-revised-statutes/division-1-government/title-10-public-safety-and-internal-security/chapter-134-firearms-ammunition-and-dangerous-weapons/part-i-general-regulations/section-134-9-licenses-to-carry
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2021, 09:59:54 AM
Does anyone know of people having issues with neighbors mistaking the airsoft for real firearms? If so, what would be best practice should the police one responding to someone shooting guns in their back yard?
Here is that topic I mentioned:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=7092.20
And these comments in particular:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=7092.msg67444#msg67444
and...
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=7092.msg67452#msg67452
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2021, 10:54:52 AM
HPD "can't" and "won't". Are you serious? HPD will, have, and will continue to do whatever they want. They will hide behind the Union and Qualified Immunity. For example, ruling about registration. HPD website has not been updated to notify people that they don't need to physically come in or bring their firearms into HPD to register. Unless ask directly, HPD will continue to mislead the public that they still need to come in and bring the firearm.
My question was more of what happens after HPD arrest you for carry in house. Would the Attorney General of Hawaii say that carry in home is constitutional protected but you still need a license to do it?
First, I would have agreed with you on HPD officers' behavior before the body cam and cell phone age. If they think they are going to be recorded, they will be a little less "I do whatevah," and more "I might get fired." I had a friend who said he followed a woman from the parking lot where she dented his BMW with her car door. When she got home, he confronted her -- politely and calmly. Asked for her insurance and license info, and left. The woman called the cops, and lied about his visit to the responding unit, saying he screamed obscenities and threatened her, and that her neighbor was a witness.
They then went to my friend's and stood on one side of the gate in front of his house and he on the inside of the yard. After contradicting the woman and asking if they spoke to the supposed witness, he said he was done talking to them unless they wanted to arrest him. One tried to open the gate, and he said, "Stay off my property. Unless you have an arrest warrant, you'll be trespassing. The Cop said "We go where we want," and started to open the gate. That's when he looked up and saw the surveillance camera. The cops stopped in their tracks, said the detectives would follow up, but never heard another word about it. They were trying to get him to say something incriminating, but he wasn't playing that game.
He filed an insurance report with both his and the lady's carriers, and hers wound up fixing the dent. The woman's attempted use of HPD to make him out to be the bad guy failed miserably because of one thing: video recording. It would have been obvious the Cops escalated the encounter, not my friend.
PART II: Nobody can tell you what the AG might do. It may never even get there. If HPD reviews the reports, they may decide the citation was unsupported and just withdraw it. They don't want to bog down the AG's office with a bunch of garbage citations I would assume (but I don't know for sure).
As for Constitutional rights in Hawaii ...... LOL!! :rofl: If you look at the gun laws here, it's as if someone in the state legislature sat down with a list of all the things that the federal law makers know they can't do that violates the Constitution, and them drafted those laws at the state level -- thinking the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to states.
If you think the AG will protect your rights, think again. This is why individuals have had to sue the state in court to exercise their rights. The state has no interest in your rights -- only in compliance with the laws of Hawaii.
Conclusion: If there's no law that says you can't, then you can. Basic legal doctrine. You just have to do enough research to know that no laws prohibiting carry at home without a CC or OC permit exists. From my own research, and comments from others here, there's no such law.
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§134-9 Licenses to carry.
(c) No person shall carry concealed or unconcealed on the person a pistol or revolver without being licensed
to do so under this section or in compliance with sections 134-5(c) or 134-25.
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HRS 134-5(c)
(c) A person may carry unconcealed and use a lawfully acquired pistol or revolver while actually
engaged in hunting game mammals, if that pistol or revolver and its suitable ammunition are
acceptable for hunting by rules adopted pursuant to section 183D-3 and if that person is licensed
pursuant to part II of chapter 183D. The pistol or revolver may be transported in an enclosed container,
as defined in section 134-25 in the course of going to and from the place of the hunt, notwithstanding
section 134-26.
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134-25 Place to keep pistol or revolver; penalty. (a) Except as provided in sections 134-5 and
134-9, all firearms shall be confined to the possessor’s place of business, residence, or sojourn;
provided that it shall be lawful to carry unloaded firearms in an enclosed container from the place of
purchase to the purchaser’s place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places upon
change of place of business, residence, or sojourn, or between these places and the following:
(1) A place of repair;
(2) A target range;
(3) A licensed dealer’s place of business;
(4) An organized, scheduled firearms show or exhibit;
(5) A place of formal hunter or firearm use training or instruction; or
(6) A police station.
“Enclosed container” means a rigidly constructed receptacle, or a commercially manufactured gun case, or the equivalent thereof that completely encloses the firearm.
(b) Any person violating this section by carrying or possessing a loaded or unloaded pistol or revolver shall be guilty of a class B felony.
Based on my NOT A LAWYER interpretation, since 134-9 says "No person shall carry concealed or unconcealed on the person a pistol or revolver without being licensed to do so under this section OR in compliance with sections 134-5(c) or 134-25, and 134-25 lists all the places you can have a pistol or revolver legally and without any restrictions at those places, I see no prohibition from carrying at home, your business, nor anywhere else you're allowed to keep your firearm.
Then there's the newly enacted HB 31 that altered HRS 134-10.5:
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[ 134-10.5] Storage of firearm; responsibility with respect to minors. No person shall store or keep
any firearm on any premises under the person’s control if the person knows or reasonably should
know that a minor is likely to gain access to the firearm without the permission of the parent or guardian
of the minor, unless the person:
(1) Keeps the firearm in a securely locked box or other container or in a location that a reasonable person would believe to be secure; or
(2) Carries the firearm on the person or within such close proximity thereto that the person readily can retrieve and use it as if it were carried on the person.
For purposes of this section, “minor” means any person under the age ofsixteeneighteen years.
The only change in the law was to up the age of a minor from 16 to 18. But, if you read subparagraph (2), it says carrying a firearm on the person, or keeping it close enough to readily retrieve and use it, are acceptable when keeping guns out of the hands of minors who do not have permission.
To me, since they didn't reference 134-9 nor state anything at all about having a license to carry, it implies no permit is required in the home or anywhere else it is permissible to keep your firearm.
As I said, there's nothing that says you can't, so my answer is "can carry at home". Just exercise good judgement if someone with a badge knocks. "Just a minute. I have water running!" :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 09, 2021, 11:48:41 AM
HPD "can't" and "won't". Are you serious? HPD will, have, and will continue to do whatever they want. They will hide behind the Union and Qualified Immunity. For example, ruling about registration. HPD website has not been updated to notify people that they don't need to physically come in or bring their firearms into HPD to register. Unless ask directly, HPD will continue to mislead the public that they still need to come in and bring the firearm.They did update their website. But hpd doing stuff like how hpd does stuff. They made it not as clear compared to maui pd. MpD website states no need bring the gun
My question was more of what happens after HPD arrest you for carry in house. Would the Attorney General of Hawaii say that carry in home is constitutional protected but you still need a license to do it?
Heller case said it was constitutional protected to carry in home but did not put any restriction on the state to require a license to do so. So, a state can still require a gun owner to get a license (which most likely WILL NOT be denied because of the SCOTUS ruling) to carry in home. Hawaii law is still very vague on requiring a license to carry in home. No where in the law provides any exception to the law. it only states "license to carry a pistol or revolver and ammunition therefor unconcealed on the person within the county where the license is granted." The home is "within the county". Also notice how the law only states the carry of a pistol or revolver but no rifles. So if you had a rifle slug over your back or front as you answer the door, that would be illegal?
Link to 134-9 Hawaii carry law: https://casetext.com/statute/hawaii-revised-statutes/division-1-government/title-10-public-safety-and-internal-security/chapter-134-firearms-ammunition-and-dangerous-weapons/part-i-general-regulations/section-134-9-licenses-to-carry
Hpd is more ambiguous, but was changed.
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Post by: DEROS on October 09, 2021, 01:14:56 PM
They did update their website. But hpd doing stuff like how hpd does stuff. They made it not as clear compared to maui pd. MpD website states no need bring the gun
Hpd is more ambiguous, but was changed.
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I don't see a change in the website telling the public that registration is no longer in person. This is the HPD website I go to about registration, PTA and Law Updates, https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/. In the Law Update tab, there is no mention of the change in registration. In the FAQ sheet is says no online registration but that has always been there even before the ruling.
Post by: zippz on October 09, 2021, 02:23:29 PM
I don't see a change in the website telling the public that registration is no longer in person. This is the HPD website I go to about registration, PTA and Law Updates, https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/. In the Law Update tab, there is no mention of the change in registration. In the FAQ sheet is says no online registration but that has always been there even before the ruling.
HPD is keeping it on the down low. I don't think they'll put it on the website. They'll tell you that if you call tho. I also got a email from the HPD asst chief explaining it. It's on the HIFICO page.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 09, 2021, 03:32:29 PM
I don't see a change in the website telling the public that registration is no longer in person. This is the HPD website I go to about registration, PTA and Law Updates, https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/. In the Law Update tab, there is no mention of the change in registration. In the FAQ sheet is says no online registration but that has always been there even before the ruling.Hpds site went from this:
Bring all firearms to the Main Police Station, Firearms Unit, no later than 5-calendar days after its acquisition. Firearms must be unloaded and in a proper gun case.
To this:
Firearms must be unloaded and in a proper gun case.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 09, 2021, 03:32:46 PM
I don't see a change in the website telling the public that registration is no longer in person. This is the HPD website I go to about registration, PTA and Law Updates, https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/. In the Law Update tab, there is no mention of the change in registration. In the FAQ sheet is says no online registration but that has always been there even before the ruling.Hpds site went from this:
Bring all firearms to the Main Police Station, Firearms Unit, no later than 5-calendar days after its acquisition. Firearms must be unloaded and in a proper gun case.
To this:
Firearms must be unloaded and in a proper gun case.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 09, 2021, 03:33:09 PM
I don't see a change in the website telling the public that registration is no longer in person. This is the HPD website I go to about registration, PTA and Law Updates, https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/. In the Law Update tab, there is no mention of the change in registration. In the FAQ sheet is says no online registration but that has always been there even before the ruling.Hpds site went from this:
Bring all firearms to the Main Police Station, Firearms Unit, no later than 5-calendar days after its acquisition. Firearms must be unloaded and in a proper gun case.
To this:
Firearms must be unloaded and in a proper gun case.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2021, 04:03:17 PM
Hpds site went from this:
Bring all firearms to the Main Police Station, Firearms Unit, no later than 5-calendar days after its acquisition. Firearms must be unloaded and in a proper gun case.
To this:
Firearms must be unloaded and in a proper gun case.
That makes sense. Last I read on here, HPD said they can't tell you to bring your firearms into the police station to register. It's your choice if you want to follow existing procedures (bring them) or wait until they figure out the new procedures.
They erased the directive to "bring all firearms to the Main Police Station," and left the part about "unloaded...in a proper gun case" for those who choose to register now.
Post by: RSN172 on October 09, 2021, 06:09:44 PM
HPD "can't" and "won't". Are you serious?Yes. Do you know of anyone who has been arrested for carrying a legally acquired firearm in their home?
Post by: Hoplite on October 09, 2021, 07:56:10 PM
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol14_Ch0701-0853/HRS0703/
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 09, 2021, 10:39:12 PM
Hawaii law basically says you only need a permit to conceal carry in public outside of your place of residence or work. Open carry is currently prohibited except for law enforcement officers according the the place to keep laws. However what no one has discussed here is that the use of force laws limit severely when and how you would ever be legally justified in using deadly force. Those laws are detailed in chapter 703 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes and are definitely worth a read.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol14_Ch0701-0853/HRS0703/
We've got other threads for that: use of lethal force, self defense, defense of others, defense of property, castle doctrine, duty to evade or retreat, etc.
Not really relevant here, because this thread deals with the legality of the mere act of possessing a firearm on your person while at home. You don't have to use it, just have it.
HRS 703 has more to do with the legality of protecting yourself, others or your property, and to what level can force be applied -- up to and including lethal force.
I see the connection if you want to explore all aspects of defensive firearms, but it's a bit off topic based on the OP. :shaka:
Post by: Kalikikopa on October 09, 2021, 11:48:42 PM
Here is that topic I mentioned:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=7092.20
And these comments in particular:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=7092.msg67444#msg67444
and...
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=7092.msg67452#msg67452
So sorry. I typed off the top of my head. Forgot to search.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 10, 2021, 07:39:19 AM
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Post by: Hoplite on October 10, 2021, 05:06:13 PM
We've got other threads for that: use of lethal force, self defense, defense of others, defense of property, castle doctrine, duty to evade or retreat, etc.
Not really relevant here, because this thread deals with the legality of the mere act of possessing a firearm on your person while at home. You don't have to use it, just have it.
HRS 703 has more to do with the legality of protecting yourself, others or your property, and to what level can force be applied -- up to and including lethal force.
I see the connection if you want to explore all aspects of defensive firearms, but it's a bit off topic based on the OP. :shaka:
Flapp,
I would assume you would want to carry a gun for the express purpose of having it available to use for self defense rather than just a fashion accessory. The laws that dictate when it would be legal to use go hand in hand with the laws governing when and where you may carry. I don’t think it’s off topic at all.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2021, 05:22:00 PM
Flapp,
I would assume you would want to carry a gun for the express purpose of having it available to use for self defense rather than just a fashion accessory. The laws that dictate when it would be legal to use go hand in hand with the laws governing when and where you may carry. I don’t think it’s off topic at all.
That's fine. As I said, it's related, but not directly part of the specific topic: Carry License for Home.
Your comments are more general as they relate to use of a firearm, but not exclusive to a firearm you are carrying on your person. The HRS statute you cited applies whether you are licensed to carry in public, or if you keep it in your gun safe or night stand at home, or in your desk drawer at your business.
I'm not going to argue. Just be aware there are already other threads on here that covered what you wanted to add already. No sense in reinventing the wheel.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2021, 06:07:19 PM
Hawaii laws dealing with protection of person and property
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=405.60
No Gun Self-Defense Carry for my wife and myself
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=25146.40
SB 532 "Castle Doctrine" and civil immunity
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=430.40
Protecting property...
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=41223.60
Observations of Home Invasion
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2061.0
Many more, but that's a good starting point.
:shaka:
Post by: RSN172 on October 10, 2021, 07:55:15 PM
Post by: DEROS on October 12, 2021, 09:49:42 AM
Carry one big dog not one gun, is what HPD recommends. Speaking of which I just bought 2 male Rottweiler pups. My other Rotties are getting up in age. Now I have 5 living in my house.Dogs are more up keep than guns. Also unlike guns, dogs can attack on their own volition. I never seen a gun jump out of a holster and start shooting people.
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 12, 2021, 10:05:44 AM
Dogs are more up keep than guns. Also unlike guns, dogs can attack on their own volition. I never seen a gun jump out of a holster and start shooting people.
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It's a joke. 1 high ranking HPD Major said no need a gun, get a big dog years ago and has been the joke here since.
Post by: Rocky on October 12, 2021, 11:58:11 AM
Carry one big dog not one gun, is what HPD recommends. Speaking of which I just bought 2 male Rottweiler pups. My other Rotties are getting up in age. Now I have 5 living in my house.RSN leash collection
(https://i.imgur.com/CNCsMnh.jpg)
Post by: DEROS on October 12, 2021, 01:32:52 PM
It's a joke. 1 high ranking HPD Major said no need a gun, get a big dog years ago and has been the joke here since.That’s show how long I’ve been away from the 2A community. That joke went over my head like President Biden giving a thumbs up as people chant “Let’s go Brandon”
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 12, 2021, 01:49:32 PM
That’s show how long I’ve been away from the 2A community. That joke went over my head like President Biden giving a thumbs up as people chant “Let’s go Brandon”
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By your reply, I assumed so. So I thought I'd help out. :shaka:
Post by: DEROS on October 12, 2021, 06:45:30 PM
Hpds site went from this:
Bring all firearms to the Main Police Station, Firearms Unit, no later than 5-calendar days after its acquisition. Firearms must be unloaded and in a proper gun case.
To this:
Firearms must be unloaded and in a proper gun case.
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I'm slow but you don't need to repeat yourself 3 times. :thumbsup: ;D
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 12, 2021, 07:43:47 PM
I'm slow but you don't need to repeat yourself 3 times.No focus.;D
Lag on my wifi
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Post by: DEROS on October 13, 2021, 08:14:34 PM
Hpds site went from this:
Bring all firearms to the Main Police Station, Firearms Unit, no later than 5-calendar days after its acquisition. Firearms must be unloaded and in a proper gun case.
To this:
Firearms must be unloaded and in a proper gun case.
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Tricky!! The simple wording makes it appear that you must bring the firearms into HPD.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 13, 2021, 08:19:19 PM
Tricky!! The simple wording makes it appear that you must bring the firearms into HPD.Yup, basically a general statement.
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