Post by: ren on October 13, 2021, 11:41:31 AM
https://www.khon2.com/news/national/assailant-kills-several-people-with-bow-and-arrows-in-norway/ (https://www.khon2.com/news/national/assailant-kills-several-people-with-bow-and-arrows-in-norway/)
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 13, 2021, 11:53:21 AM
We Need to Talk About Kevin
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1242460/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0083GQKQG/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r
https://youtu.be/V-HX69-Vf9Y
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 13, 2021, 12:09:24 PM
Post by: stangzilla on October 13, 2021, 12:35:07 PM
this is not the Lars Anderson from Wrestling Hawaii :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk
Post by: omnigun on October 14, 2021, 06:31:13 AM
Anti gunners will say, if he had an assault rifle, it would have been worst.
And of he had a nuke it be even worse. The tool isn't the issue its the loony who uses it.
Post by: aaronc5362 on October 14, 2021, 07:00:38 AM
And of he had a nuke it be even worse. The tool isn't the issue its the loony who uses it.
Reminds me of that tank in LA. Sure he had no ammo for the big gun, doubt he had a m60 or whatever at the top hatch. But no one could stop it. They just followed until he ran out of gas or gave up. Kinda forgot the ending. Imagine any crazy fuck decided to drive a tank at alas or downtown. Pretty much nothing can stop it. Unless Hawaii's NG accomodates by sending in some tanks to stop that 1 tank lol. Now wouldnt that be a show.
Post by: aletheuo137 on October 14, 2021, 08:18:30 AM
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Post by: groveler on October 14, 2021, 08:35:35 AM
I own no bows or arrows!I've hunted with Bow, muzzle loader, and modern fire arms.
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I fail to see why some people think a bow is so much more humane
and "noble"
It certainly is more challenging, but it is deadly.
Ever wondered why in most places it is illegal to hunt with a crossbow?
It is as deadly as a modern rifle, and quiet.
Think about what a well hidden guy with a cross bow sniping a crowd could do?
Lucky for society, I'm very ethical and law obedient.
>:D
Post by: kptheplatypus on October 14, 2021, 09:08:08 AM
I've hunted with Bow, muzzle loader, and modern fire arms.
I fail to see why some people think a bow is so much more humane
and "noble"
It certainly is more challenging, but it is deadly.
Ever wondered why in most places it is illegal to hunt with a crossbow?
It is as deadly as a modern rifle, and quiet.
Think about what a well hidden guy with a cross bow sniping a crowd could do?
Lucky for society, I'm very ethical and law obedient.
>:D
I wouldn’t use the word “obedient” as that shows one that you might not think for yourself. I would say compliant. Sounds better and shows others that you recognize you have freedom and a choice.
Post by: rpoL98 on October 14, 2021, 10:51:46 AM
Anti gunners will say, if he had an assault rifle, it would have been worst.french rental truck had 84 dead, 400+ injured. Bastille Day 2016.
Post by: groveler on October 14, 2021, 11:05:07 AM
I wouldn’t use the word “obedient” as that shows one that you might not think for yourself. I would say compliant. Sounds better and shows others that you recognize you have freedom and a choice.My sarcasm is very subtle.
:wacko:
Post by: aletheuo137 on October 14, 2021, 12:22:35 PM
My sarcasm is very subtle.Crude at times but subtle!
:wacko:
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Post by: changemyoil66 on October 14, 2021, 12:55:00 PM
My sarcasm is very subtle.
:wacko:
I do not own a bow, arrows, crossbow, or archery equipment.
Post by: DEROS on October 15, 2021, 09:53:59 PM
I've hunted with Bow, muzzle loader, and modern fire arms.
I fail to see why some people think a bow is so much more humane
and "noble"
It certainly is more challenging, but it is deadly.
Ever wondered why in most places it is illegal to hunt with a crossbow?
It is as deadly as a modern rifle, and quiet.
Think about what a well hidden guy with a cross bow sniping a crowd could do?
Lucky for society, I'm very ethical and law obedient.
>:D
My friend came from a family of hunters. He would was like you, hunted with every known weapon to include a "freakin pencil". (I had to add that in. I just watch JW again). Anyway he told me he didn't like hunting with a bow because it was not a quick kill. The arrow tips used were called "bleeders" because the arrow tip would cause the animal to bleed to death and he would have to track game down.
My idea of hunting is going to costco and elbowing my way to the last tri tip.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 15, 2021, 10:09:54 PM
Anti gunners will say, if he had an assault rifle, it would have been worst.
Do you think they would be wrong though?
An argument is either true or it isn't true, it doesn't matter who makes it. I have both shooting experience and archery experience and personally, if my goal were to kill as many as possible, I would take an AR-15 over a bow and arrow. Wouldn't you?
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 15, 2021, 10:10:43 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 15, 2021, 10:13:17 PM
Do you think they would be wrong though?Would u take an ar15 or a bow into a place that had others carrying an AR15 too?
An argument is either true or it isn't true, it doesn't matter who makes it. I have both shooting experience and archery experience and personally, if my goal were to kill as many as possible, I would take an AR-15 over a bow and arrow. Wouldn't you?
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 15, 2021, 10:17:34 PM
Would u take an ar15 or a bow into a place that had others carrying an AR15 too?
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An AR-15 of course but that doesn't really have anything to do with my point.
Post by: omnigun on October 16, 2021, 06:41:26 AM
An AR-15 of course but that doesn't really have anything to do with my point.
I think your point is missed because regardless of what you use a tool is nothing but a tool. A plane, truck, explosives and countless other tools would kill more than an ar15.
There is only one root problem. The person.
Post by: aletheuo137 on October 16, 2021, 07:27:46 AM
My friend came from a family of hunters. He would was like you, hunted with every known weapon to include a "freakin pencil". (I had to add that in. I just watch JW again). Anyway he told me he didn't like hunting with a bow because it was not a quick kill. The arrow tips used were called "bleeders" because the arrow tip would cause the animal to bleed to death and he would have to track game down.Old saying, it's about shot placement. There is more to it than that but that's an important one.
My idea of hunting is going to costco and elbowing my way to the last tri tip.
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Post by: QUIETShooter on October 16, 2021, 07:36:24 AM
Banning mass killers will solve the problem.
How do we do that? We can't. Because we won't know until they start killing.
Solution? Armed law-abiding citizens who won't hesitate to cap their f**kn asses as soon as they act up.
It isn't a fail proof solution but it sure beats what's going on now.
Post by: DEROS on October 16, 2021, 09:48:12 AM
Old saying, it's about shot placement. There is more to it than that but that's an important one.
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I agree with you that shot placement is important. Correct shot placement is even more important. 2 to the chest is better than 1 in the arm and 1 in the leg. However, hitting the target is much better than not hitting the target at all.
Going back to the Original Topic. Although I would not want anyone to die from an arrow or bullet, getting hit by an arrow seems like a very slow, painful death. But then again I guess with an arrow, there could be time for the medics to stabilize and rush to the emergency room. 1 bullets to the chest would most likely kill you whereas 1 arrow to the chest, you would have a better chance to live. I am pretty sure that once "they" ban firearms, they will go after the other weapons of mass destruction. i.e. Kitchen Knifes, Screw Drivers, Nail Guns, Staple Guns, Lumber, Pipes, etc.
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 16, 2021, 10:31:01 AM
I think your point is missed because regardless of what you use a tool is nothing but a tool. A plane, truck, explosives and countless other tools would kill more than an ar15.
There is only one root problem. The person.
You are correct of course but do you think all tools are equally dangerous?
Post by: macsak on October 16, 2021, 12:37:54 PM
And of he had a nuke it be even worse. The tool isn't the issue its the loony who uses it.
swooooooosh
Post by: macsak on October 16, 2021, 12:39:47 PM
I think your point is missed because regardless of what you use a tool is nothing but a tool. A plane, truck, explosives and countless other tools would kill more than an ar15.
There is only one root problem. The person.
swoooooosh
Post by: omnigun on October 16, 2021, 12:40:26 PM
You are correct of course but do you think all tools are equally dangerous?
No but that should not be used as an excuse to limit tool usage for the majority. You can't ban all the tools, it will never end. Try going after the true cause. The loony who uses them for bad.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 16, 2021, 12:41:58 PM
You are correct of course but do you think all tools are equally dangerous?
There are too many variables to definitively conclude that a firearm -- ANY firearm -- is going to cause more casualties than using something else. Using the "all things being equal" approach doesn't address the individual involved, the skills they possess, and the planning they did prior. As you said, the gun is a tool. Not everyone is as skilled at using a given tool as the next guy.
Case in point: Bows don't make the noise firearms do. You could do a lot of damage with a bow from concealment before anyone knows what is happening. Any police or security guard response would be delayed, as would their ability to locate you. The crowd would also be less likely to panic, flee and take cover without the sound of a firearm alerting them to danger.
In a controlled environment, firearms are more accurate, have more range, and can be brought to bear more quickly than most weapons. But, that doesn't make firearms the most effective weapon in all circumstances. Playing COD should have taught you that! :geekdanc:
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 16, 2021, 04:36:45 PM
There are too many variables to definitively conclude that a firearm -- ANY firearm -- is going to cause more casualties than using something else. Using the "all things being equal" approach doesn't address the individual involved, the skills they possess, and the planning they did prior. As you said, the gun is a tool. Not everyone is as skilled at using a given tool as the next guy.They will now pass a law where all bows need to been hooked to a loud speaker and go "twwwaaanggggg" when released. Joking, but not joking. Look at england not selling single knives, but instead in sets only. Or stop and frisk papers given by cops that you can give to your employer if late to work due to being randomly stopped.
Case in point: Bows don't make the noise firearms do. You could do a lot of damage with a bow from concealment before anyone knows what is happening. Any police or security guard response would be delayed, as would their ability to locate you. The crowd would also be less likely to panic, flee and take cover without the sound of a firearm alerting them to danger.
In a controlled environment, firearms are more accurate, have more range, and can be brought to bear more quickly than most weapons. But, that doesn't make firearms the most effective weapon in all circumstances. Playing COD should have taught you that! :geekdanc:
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Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 16, 2021, 07:35:38 PM
No but that should not be used as an excuse to limit tool usage for the majority. You can't ban all the tools, it will never end. Try going after the true cause. The loony who uses them for bad.
Bingo! That is how we defeat their argument, not ignoring that the ar-15 is much more efficient than a lot of other weapons available.
I admit to gun control activists that the AR15 does allow a killer to take more victims rapidly and concede that it is a terrible fact but then counter with a number of different arguments including the one you posted. Private gun ownership is a bit of a double edged sword but I won't give it up because part of the sword can have negative consequences. This is a fact with nearly any right we have, there are pros and cons of ever right but the pros outweigh the cons.