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General Topics => Off Topic => Topic started by: omnigun on October 14, 2021, 06:12:37 AM
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*Trigger warning*
This thread may deal with topics some snowflakes might not like. There is NO celebration in this thread. Just to be sure there are no misunderstandings. Got banned previously because of misunderstandings/ the unknown and wasn't able to fully debate this topic.
Do you support or are you against Suicide and Euthanasia?
Recently there has been discussions about ones rights to their own body. Either the vaccine or abortion. Republicans have had many hypocritical stances and to a lesser extent the democrats too. Suicide or euthanasia is a decision that only affects one self. Either action can't harm another person, is not spreadable or even remotely considered to affect a potential "life" ("like abortion"). So if purely you believe that one has the right to refuse the vaccine because of dominion over ones own body, would you also support suicide or euthanasia? If not why? Is it a religious thing? Morals? Insurance?
Also for those who can't understand, suicide or euthanasia is not a 2a topic. Has nothing to do with guns or should have nothing to do with guns. Guns are tools. Much like the many other tools. Its unrelated to the topic. We don't blame buildings for being too tall after all. :shaka:
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please show that it is consensus or proven in court that your ban was due to misunderstandings...
*Trigger warning*
This thread may deal with topics some snowflakes might not like. There is NO celebration in this thread. Just to be sure there are no misunderstandings. Got banned previously because of misunderstandings and wasn't able to fully debate this topic.
Do you support or are you against Suicide and Euthanasia?
Recently there has been discussions about ones rights to their own body. Either the vaccine or abortion. Republicans have had many hypocritical stances and to a lesser extent the democrats too. Suicide or euthanasia is a decision that only affects one self. Either action can't harm another person, is not spreadable or even remotely considered to affect a potential "life" ("like abortion"). So if purely you believe that one has the right to refuse the vaccine because of dominion over ones own body, would you also support suicide or euthanasia? If not why? Is it a religious thing? Morals? Insurance?
Also for those who can't understand, suicide or euthanasia is not a 2a topic. Has nothing to do with guns or should have nothing to do with guns. Guns are tools. Much like the many other tools. Its unrelated to the topic. We don't blame buildings for being too tall after all. :shaka:
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please show that it is consensus or proven in court that your ban was due to misunderstandings...
Never got the chance to discuss it in 'court' or was told exactly why. Also I'm not allowed to argue with the mods. So I will not discuss this further. Don't want another ban. :stopjack:
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Also to clarify I am pro suicide or euthanasia. As the mantra goes, Your body your right. As long as it doesn't affect anyone else. This qualifies along with pot, abortions, body modifications, etc.
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"if purely you believe that one has the right to refuse the vaccine because of dominion over ones own body, would you also support suicide or euthanasia? If not why? Is it a religious thing? Morals? Insurance?"
I'll bite and start with this
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XY51VYHZk9ok/
I'm a little older, don't have the accent, but definitely the colorful language, despite my "upper education".
As for suicide, it has to be overt, eg using a gun to blow your brains out. Not taking action like losing weight,
stop smoking, or stop drinking to extend your life, is not suicide. We all die.
If you want to kill yourself, I won't stop you. Hang yourself from a doorknob, it isn't quite so messy.
I'm against euthanasia generally. however if some is burning to death and you can't save them, a quick death by bullet
would be humane. A very sick person in pain, just isn't getting enough drugs, that is no reason to kill them, drugs are cheap.
Fentanyl for example.
Subject of banning; I promised someone here to stay away from that subject, however I will point this out once.
I do like the Liberal rag the "Hill" policy.
They give time outs, an explanation, and actually respond to requests for parole.
Before you are banned.
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Also to clarify I am pro suicide or euthanasia. As the mantra goes, Your body your right. As long as it doesn't affect anyone else. This qualifies along with pot, abortions, body modifications, etc.
Its clear which side you worship from all your previous posts.
Turn to God before it’s too late for you.
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please show that it is consensus or proven in court that your ban was due to misunderstandings...
Again, refuses to admit his wrong doing and instead labels as "misunderstanding".
Never his fault or error until many post later and get a half baked admission if any at all.
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Its clear which side you worship from all your previous posts.
Turn to God before it’s too late for you.
I take it that your objection to those freedoms are based on religion. Does religion explain why suicide is bad?
Also what would give a religion rights to force their beliefs on the non believers? Government is supposed to be secular.
I worship no side. I think all religions on earth are false. There is simply no way humans could understand a "god". Religion has changed alot in the past years so even if they did get it "right" they clearly messed it up on the way because its not exactly the same as the original. Unless you believe that people can talk to god and somehow update religion. Also doesn't explain having more than one religion....unless there are multiple "gods".
I am also not an atheist, no proof beyond a doubt a god doesn't exist. So when I die I'll find out the truth.
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For those that may be reading this thread and need to talk to someone, please be aware that omnigun is a nihilist (Thanos worshiper) who likes to make suggestions like this on a 2a website.
Kidding aside, reach out and talk to someone, preferably someone who knows you and who you trust.
According to the CDC, suicide is on the rise in the US. Personally, I blame them for this.
https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/suicide/index.html
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For those that may be reading this thread and need to talk to someone, please be aware that omnigun is a nihilist (Thanos worshiper) who likes to make suggestions like this on a 2a website.
Kidding aside, reach out and talk to someone, preferably someone who knows you and who you trust.
According to the CDC, suicide is on the rise in the US. Personally, I blame them for this.
https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/suicide/index.html
This thread is his attempt to do what EEF does. Start a discussion that no one is asking about. Unknown if it's due to boredom, cognitive issues, or because he loves religion and has once again brought it up. And he knows that religion will be added into this thread, which it was.
It is also not a thread to get input to help his thought process, because his mind has already been made up.
So if people here decided to take part in the discussion, go for it. But I'm out because #1 I don't reply to him. #2 like I mentioned for EEF, I don't get entertainment from these types of discussions.
And I'm sure he will reply to this post and doesn't understand #1 above. Because he has been replying to my post b4 he was banned and has already done so his 1st day back in another thread. I even told him I wont be replying directly to him and yet he can't control himself.
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This thread is his attempt to do what EEF does. Start a discussion that no one is asking about. Unknown if it's due to boredom, cognitive issues, or because he loves religion and has once again brought it up. And he knows that religion will be added into this thread, which it was.
It is also not a thread to get input to help his thought process, because his mind has already been made up.
So if people here decided to take part in the discussion, go for it. But I'm out because #1 I don't reply to him. #2 like I mentioned for EEF, I don't get entertainment from these types of discussions.
And I'm sure he will reply to this post and doesn't understand #1 above. Because he has been replying to my post b4 he was banned and has already done so his 1st day back in another thread. I even told him I wont be replying directly to him and yet he can't control himself.
Not the only person in this world. I want to see what others think. Also how they rationalize their thoughts/hypocrisy. Or don't.... Also others looking at this thread can learn. Perhaps even realize said hypocrisy.
Also don't care about "#1". Never agreed to such rules. Freedom of speech bro.
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For those that may be reading this thread and need to talk to someone, please be aware that omnigun is a nihilist (Thanos worshiper) who likes to make suggestions like this on a 2a website.
Kidding aside, reach out and talk to someone, preferably someone who knows you and who you trust.
According to the CDC, suicide is on the rise in the US. Personally, I blame them for this.
https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/suicide/index.html
As said previously this has absolutely nothing to do with 2a. In fact this is what liberals try and use against 2a. Trying to link the tool to the user. Banning bows and arrows or cars cause terrorism.
But regardless I don't encourage anyone to suicide but at the same time I realize I don't have the right to stop them. I try not to be hypocritical in my views as it only diminishes the overall legitimacy of arguments.
People tend to forget even if you don't support something, all you have to do is not do it yourself. Let others decide for themselves if it won't affect you/others. That's what freedom is.
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Would you say that for vaccine mandates as well and people's right to decide what happens to their own bodies?
It's not like vaccines are the only way to stop coronavirus.
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Would you say that for vaccine mandates as well and people's right to decide what happens to their own bodies?
It's not like vaccines are the only way to stop coronavirus.
He already made his opinion clear that he wants people to be forced to get vaxxed, or make their life difficult so they are coerced to get vaxxed. Same same. No free right to decide what goes into their body.
That's why his discussions are a waste of time. He contradicts himself often or we go in circles because he brings up points that we already discussed with him. It's hard for him to keep track when he moves goal post all the time. That's why we circle back to same point that was shown he was wrong. Today was his first day back and already he brought up something that was already covered in another thread.
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And other treatments are fake news because the CDC/FDA says so. Even though other countries and people I know used them with success. This too has been covered many times with him already.
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OG's vaccine mandate arguments can be summarized like as follows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GukIoZ8d3Ew
Unfortunately, he's not alone in this and there are many other sheep who are misled by the MSM to believe the same.
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Billionaires want massive amounts of poor people to die in order to "save the planet"
But then who is going to wipe their bums and tie their shoes for them?
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Billionaires want massive amounts of poor people to die in order to "save the planet"
But then who is going to wipe their bums and tie their shoes for them?
Not just poor people, people in general who are not in their club.
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Would you say that for vaccine mandates as well and people's right to decide what happens to their own bodies?
It's not like vaccines are the only way to stop coronavirus.
This is where I say it no longer applies to personal freedom. Your actions affect others. Much like smoking or drunk driving. It can be regulated. I don't think anyone should be forced but reasonable restrictions can be placed on others for others safety. Also private businesses can make their own rules.
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Billionaires want massive amounts of poor people to die in order to "save the planet"
But then who is going to wipe their bums and tie their shoes for them?
Billionaires are good and capitalism is good. If you can work hard and make enough money to hire someone to wipe your ass then good for you. If someone wants to take money to do it. Then good for them too. Capitalism at its greatest.
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OG's vaccine mandate arguments can be summarized like as follows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GukIoZ8d3Ew
Unfortunately, he's not alone in this and there are many other sheep who are misled by the MSM to believe the same.
Quite the opposite. You drowning is none of my concern and a personal freedom. Just don't drag anyone down with you. I can't catch drowning. And I can prevent it on my own accord.
Remember my only concern is if your actions affect others.
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So which pharma medical industry billionaire do you get your paycheck from?
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So which pharma medical industry billionaire do you get your paycheck from?
None but I still support them. It's their drive and desire that progresses science and technology. Our medical breakthroughs come off their backs. Don't see China or North Korea or other Communist shytholes inventing medical breakthroughs.
Capitalism is not bad. Billionaires are not bad.
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Not just poor people, people in general who are not in their club.
2022...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_jGOKYHxaQ
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So which pharma medical industry billionaire do you get your paycheck from?
That's the beauty of being brainwashed. They don't have to pay him, and yet he promotes their agenda.
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Do you personally know any billionaires, to make such a qualifying sweeping generalization that billionaires are good?
Being rich and having capitalism are not bad things.
People are not bad either, until they become murderous or mass murderous.
Rich people are not bad either, until they become murderous or mass murderous.
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Not the only person in this world. I want to see what others think. Also how they rationalize their thoughts/hypocrisy. Or don't.... Also others looking at this thread can learn. Perhaps even realize said hypocrisy.
Also don't care about "#1". Never agreed to such rules. Freedom of speech bro.
You don’t realize that constantly calling people hypocrites is not a good way to start a conversation?
I guess the theories people have about you have more truth than I wanted to believe
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You don’t realize that constantly calling people hypocrites is not a good way to start a conversation?
I guess the theories people have about you have more truth than I wanted to believe
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Not sure what theories you speak of. How would you have the conversation without pointing out something they believe in is contrary to another thing?
I believe the fastest way to change someone's opinion is to prove them wrong. Facts don't lie.
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Do you personally know any billionaires, to make such a qualifying sweeping generalization that billionaires are good?
Being rich and having capitalism are not bad things.
People are not bad either, until they become murderous or mass murderous.
Rich people are not bad either, until they become murderous or mass murderous.
I do not know any personally. I know a decent amount millionaires. The point is the amount of money one has, is irrelevant. The liberals and communists are against that. Not everyone is the same. Capitalism rewards those who work hard and invent things. Everyone is good by default unless proven otherwise. Billionaires too. Especially those who contribute to society, the more they contribute the better and the rich trend to contribute alot. If they didn't it would be much harder to get rich.
I support all pharmaceutical and science and technology companies, anything that makes humanity better. And if they get rich in the process good for them. I applaud them 👏
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I would guess that Kim Jong Un is also a billionaire.
So was Pablo Escobar. Escobar was supplying a medical market demand in the US and got rich in the process. Capitalism. Good for him too?
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suicide and euthanasia is racist.
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You don’t realize that constantly calling people hypocrites is not a good way to start a conversation?
I guess the theories people have about you have more truth than I wanted to believe
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He doesn't realize a lot of things.
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He doesn't realize a lot of things.
Racists don't realize they are racists.
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I would guess that Kim Jong Un is also a billionaire.
So was Pablo Escobar. Escobar was supplying a medical market demand in the US and got rich in the process. Capitalism. Good for him too?
True but just because of the actions of a few doesn't spoil the rest. Most cops are good. Not all gun owners do violence. And a bunch of things the left and others like to pin on the people. I would argue most rich people are good.
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Racists don't realize they are racists.
You sound pretty liberal, since when have you become a Democrat? Calling everyone who doesn't agree with you a racist. Not everything is because of race, you know.
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suicide and euthanasia is racist.
Last time I checked there was no suicide race. Has science discovered one? 🤔
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Last time I checked there was no suicide race. Has science discovered one? 🤔
swoooooosh
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The issue with most non-terminally ill suicide cases is the "permanent solution to a temporary problem." If a person is in a suicidal state of mind, can they make decisions for themself? Lots of similar conflicts out there. Can the mentally ill homeless be committed against their will? Can Britney Spears make decisions in her own life. Can people be sent to prison because of a legit bout of mental illness where they had no control of what they did.
It's up to friends, family, and community to help those in need and not just when it comes down to the wire. Be nice to eachother, understand peoples problems, and give people a call once in a while.
Hawaii averages close to 200 suicide deaths every year, with an average of 45 firearm suicides. A lot of people don't know this cause it's never reported in the news and usually happens at home. This is an area I wanted to work on as a volunteer project for firearms safety.
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swoooooosh
I'm guessing like blm blaming everything being racist is the point. Not a good one though. 😕
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swoooooosh
Hahahha, hasn't even been back for 24 hours yet and got swoooshed.
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Never got the chance to discuss it in 'court' or was told exactly why. Also I'm not allowed to argue with the mods. So I will not discuss this further. Don't want another ban. :stopjack:
so, you lied...
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so, you lied...
Like usual. Makes a statement and unable to back up said statement.
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I'm guessing like blm blaming everything being racist is the point. Not a good one though. 😕
swooosh
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Like usual. Makes a statement and unable to back up said statement.
that's ok, he edited his original post to try and not be wrong...
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Being psychic is hard. Even harder when you can't confirm your predictions. Extra hard mode is when you can't try to fix the apparent error, which is judged solely by opinion. :stopjack:
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The issue with most non-terminally ill suicide cases is the "permanent solution to a temporary problem." If a person is in a suicidal state of mind, can they make decisions for themself? Lots of similar conflicts out there. Can the mentally ill homeless be committed against their will? Can Britney Spears make decisions in her own life. Can people be sent to prison because of a legit bout of mental illness where they had no control of what they did.
It's up to friends, family, and community to help those in need and not just when it comes down to the wire. Be nice to eachother, understand peoples problems, and give people a call once in a while.
Hawaii averages close to 200 suicide deaths every year, with an average of 45 firearm suicides. A lot of people don't know this cause it's never reported in the news and usually happens at home. This is an area I wanted to work on as a volunteer project for firearms safety.
What magical state of mind allows you to make your own decisions? When is government overreach okay? That's the root of the issue with red flag laws. If people want help, help them. But the government shouldn't force people to live or do something that isn't for the public good/safety. If the homeless man is not a danger to others let him be. If he wants to die that's his decision. Britney should be free, even if that freedom has self consequences. If she blows all her money, that's her money.
Personally I believe if the mental illness is diagnosed and a treatment is possible and they refuse treatment and do a crime, they are responsible. If not then they should get treatment and the rest of decisions is on them.
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Being psychic is hard. Even harder when you can't confirm your predictions. Extra hard mode is when you can't try to fix the apparent error, which is judged solely by opinion. :stopjack:
i politely asked, you ignored...
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suicide and euthanasia are ways to keep minority populations in check
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suicide and euthanasia are ways to keep minority populations in check
How? White people are perfectly capable of suicide. Will doctors only use euthanasia for minorities suffering terminal illnesses? Every race can make their own decisions on their own life. Just like every race has the opportunity to succeed. Stop the liberal blame everything on race madness.
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What magical state of mind allows you to make your own decisions? When is government overreach okay? That's the root of the issue with red flag laws. If people want help, help them. But the government shouldn't force people to live or do something that isn't for the public good/safety. If the homeless man is not a danger to others let him be. If he wants to die that's his decision. Britney should be free, even if that freedom has self consequences. If she blows all her money, that's her money.
Personally I believe if the mental illness is diagnosed and a treatment is possible and they refuse treatment and do a crime, they are responsible. If not then they should get treatment and the rest of decisions is on them.
You are a pretty Libertarian atheist sort of "person".
I too am VERY Libertarian, but I am a God fearing man.
I disagree here
" But the government shouldn't force people to live or do something that isn't for the public good/safety."
Fuck the government. Which one of them decides what constitutes "public safety"? Do you? Do I?
We decide. You and only you are responsible for you and your families safety and their "good". Not the fuking government.
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suicide and euthanasia are ways to keep minority populations in check
I'm pretty sure it will take care of a lot of Democrats.
So that is a plus.
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You are a pretty Libertarian atheist sort of "person".
I too am VERY Libertarian, but I am a God fearing man.
I disagree here
" But the government shouldn't force people to live or do something that isn't for the public good/safety."
Fuck the government. Which one of them decides what constitutes "public safety"? Do you? Do I?
We decide. You and only you are responsible for you and your families safety and their "good". Not the fuking government.
:grrr:
He isn't an atheist that he claims. Many of his postings support the fact that he believes in god. Even 1 of his post today, which is his first day back from a suspension. He can't even hide his belief for 24 hours.
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I'm pretty sure it will take care of a lot of Democrats.
So that is a plus.
That's where you're wrong. Enter illegal aliens and their future US born children who will vote for the DNC.
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He doesn't realize a lot of things.
He is always a winner…
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He is always a winner…
goalpost moved to participation trophy...
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goalpost moved to participation trophy...
Or skinny wiener (Heavyweights movie reference)
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White people are the ones pushing for suicide...like the OP.
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I didn't read anything that said the suicide had to be intentional.
The rate of Whites/Non-Hispanics dying from overdoses is 26.2, and the rate for Non-Hispanic Blacks is 24.8.
So, it would appear Whites and Black commit suicide in close to even rates. But, add in other minorities:
Non-Hispanic Native American/Alaska Native: 30.5
Non-Hispanic Asian: 3.3
Non-Hispanic Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander: 9.5
Hispanic: 12.7
Those rates are per 100,000 Standard Population.
Yeah, I'd say suicide has a preferred race. When you look at factors like racial division, messaging that says you're oppressed by Whites, Critical Race Theory training, lower quality healthcare, need to work longer hours for less pay in some areas, poor educational opportunities, substandard public schools in urban areas, Social Media flaunting the good life that most will never achieve, ....it's a wonder most people below a given economic level aren't suicidal.
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goalpost moved to participation trophy...
Belive they are the same thing, right?
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You are a pretty Libertarian atheist sort of "person".
I too am VERY Libertarian, but I am a God fearing man.
I disagree here
" But the government shouldn't force people to live or do something that isn't for the public good/safety."
Fuck the government. Which one of them decides what constitutes "public safety"? Do you? Do I?
We decide. You and only you are responsible for you and your families safety and their "good". Not the fuking government.
:grrr:
I believe government has purpose. To protect its citizens, hence we have the draft and laws and a country. Over reach is bad but no government is bad too. There must be balance and government to play its role.
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He isn't an atheist that he claims. Many of his postings support the fact that he believes in god. Even 1 of his post today, which is his first day back from a suspension. He can't even hide his belief for 24 hours.
Lol. Surely you know me better than myself. :crazy: :crazy:
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I didn't read anything that said the suicide had to be intentional.
The rate of Whites/Non-Hispanics dying from overdoses is 26.2, and the rate for Non-Hispanic Blacks is 24.8.
So, it would appear Whites and Black commit suicide in close to even rates. But, add in other minorities:
Non-Hispanic Native American/Alaska Native: 30.5
Non-Hispanic Asian: 3.3
Non-Hispanic Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander: 9.5
Hispanic: 12.7
Those rates are per 100,000 Standard Population.
Yeah, I'd say suicide has a preferred race. When you look at factors like racial division, messaging that says you're oppressed by Whites, Critical Race Theory training, lower quality healthcare, need to work longer hours for less pay in some areas, poor educational opportunities, substandard public schools in urban areas, Social Media flaunting the good life that most will never achieve, ....it's a wonder most people below a given economic level aren't suicidal.
Written like a democrat.
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Written like a democrat.
Insults? No substantive rebuttal?
Written like a whiny little bitch who's still mad about being suspended for 3 weeks.
#YouNeedALongerBreak
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Insults? No substantive rebuttal?
Written like a whiny little bitch who's still mad about being suspended for 3 weeks.
#YouNeedALongerBreak
You hit all the talking points. Blaming race. Ignoring the fact that most other minorities have less suicide rates.
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if you had a son and he asked you for help with his suicide would you?
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You hit all the talking points. Blaming race. Ignoring the fact that most other minorities have less suicide rates.
Show me where I ever said race was the cause. I never once "blamed race".
Correlation does not equal causation, Genius.
You've yet to post any stats on minorities and suicide rates, so who, would you say, is ignoring them? :rofl:
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IF I WANTED AN EMOTION-LACED LECTURE,
I WOULD HAVE STAYED MARRIED.
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if you had a son and he asked you for help with his suicide would you?
Better question: If his son asked for help to kill himself, would the father get rid of all of his own guns?
If you believe in red flag laws, the answer would be "immediately."
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if you had a son and he asked you for help with his suicide would you?
I would not help. I would try and get him help but in end it's his decision. If he is an adult it's up to him. All I can do is do my best to raise him right so he never has those thoughts.
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Better question: If his son asked for help to kill himself, would the father get rid of all of his own guns?
If you believe in red flag laws, the answer would be "immediately."
Nope as said before. I don't believe in red flag laws. Nor do I associate guns with suicide. Try read a bit more next time.
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Better question: If his son asked for help to kill himself, would the father get rid of all of his own guns?
If you believe in red flag laws, the answer would be "immediately."
He would also make his neighbor get rid of all their guns too. Cause you know, it also works like the vaxx. Both you and I have to be vaxxed inorder for the vaxx to work and him be safe.
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He would also make his neighbor get rid of all their guns too. Cause you know, it also works like the vaxx. Both you and I have to be vaxxed inorder for the vaxx to work and him be safe.
Another person who can't read. Or understand basic words. :shaka: :shaka:
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Despite 100 hours of training, when the ROs say 5 rnds in your mag, they mean 5 rnds!
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Despite 100 hours of training, when the ROs say 5 rnds in your mag, they mean 5 rnds!
I just earned a "Swoooooooosh!"
#SayWhat?
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I just earned a "Swoooooooosh!"
#SayWhat?
No, u havent earned a swoooooooshhh.
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I think Omni brings up a fair question because I too have noticed a somewhat inconsistent stance on this issue by conservatives. On the one hand conservatives tend to be for less government telling us what we can and cannot do so why should they get to tell us when we want to end our lives? On the other hand conservatives tend take a certain sanctity of life type stance that seems to be opposed to physician assisted suicides.
I cannot see how the inconsistency can be resolved but I do think that it comes from the fact that conservatives are more likely to be christian than liberals and with that they bring into conservatism certain ideas which don't really fit within the ideology of conservatism. I think it shows how blurry lines can be in political ideologies. It is a sort of cognitive dissonance I think.