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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on October 18, 2021, 10:18:41 AM
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When the ROs tell you to stand behind the yellow line during a ceasefire do so! There's not enough ROs so if you see something wrong say something. :thumbsup:
The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall.
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When the ROs tell you to stand behind the yellow line during a ceasefire do so! There's not enough ROs so if you see something wrong say something. :thumbsup:
The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall.
I sense a story behind this PSA.
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When the ROs tell you to stand behind the yellow line during a ceasefire do so! There's not enough ROs so if you see something wrong say something. :thumbsup:
The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall.
John has a long mustache. ;)
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I felt like a ass when called out.. safety means following the RO. Do it. We win :shaka:
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I felt like a ass when called out.. safety means following the RO. Do it. We win :shaka:
it's part of the initiation process...
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it's part of the initiation process...
Anyone who hasn't been yelled at by Sai (sp?) has missed out on a big part of the KHSC experience. . .
Half joking, but half serious. . .
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I got yelled at by Sai regarding yellow line in my rookie year.
Never did it again and warn anyone who comes with me to try shooting of the seriousness.
PTSD getting yelled at by Sai. (Going with spelling above.)
But worth it and glad he was there and miss his voice.
And yeah Ren what’s the story behind the post?
We know there’s a story.
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I’ve never been yelled at by Sai. Though I was there when he came close to killing someone. Exaggeration, but not by much. There was one of those “I know everything about firearms from (insert reason)” know it all types that decided to not only uncashed a firearm behind the line, but took it out of the case and flagged pretty much the entire side of the rifle line benches. Sai went absolutely apoplectic (a word I picked up from watching videos about Hitler). I really did fear for that fool’s life.
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The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall.
There are times when there are not enough chairs available. Like when you are watching a purdy female competitor with great form, shooting on the line. :love: I mean, she has a steady hand, and excellent aim. No other thoughts crossed my mind. Ahem.
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Anyone who hasn't been yelled at by Sai (sp?) has missed out on a big part of the KHSC experience. . .
Half joking, but half serious. . .
The one and only time my wife came with me to KHSC she got yelled at by Sol!!!! 😂
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When the ROs tell you to stand behind the yellow line during a ceasefire do so! There's not enough ROs so if you see something wrong say something. :thumbsup:
The chair is against the wall. The chair is against the wall.
I sense a story behind this PSA.
I'll take a guess at it:
The idiot wanted to sit down. So during the cease fire period he went to sit down on one of the rifle benches.......
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:shake: I too got a tongue lashing from Sai for uncasing my rifle facing the wrong way and I witnessed an really old man get yelled at for the same reason. I appreciate it more now than I did then... :rofl: I will never, ever forget that lesson so I guess there was a method to his madness. I did feel really bad for the old guy because that was pretty brutal.
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Who is this "Sai" guy? He still at KHSC? Anybody get pictcha?
He seems like an older gentleman. But all the RSO's are old.
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:shake: I too got a tongue lashing from Sai for uncasing my rifle facing the wrong way and I witnessed an really old man get yelled at for the same reason. I appreciate it more now than I did then... :rofl: I will never, ever forget that lesson so I guess there was a method to his madness. I did feel really bad for the old guy because that was pretty brutal.
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Ive seen this happen twice and each time the guys responded "it's not loaded". Then RO replied "how does anyone else know it's not loaded". Then they proceeded to lock the bolt back, as required when benching a rifle. Only to have a round extract. Each time were military guys.
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Ive seen this happen twice and each time the guys responded "it's not loaded". Then RO replied "how does anyone else know it's not loaded". Then they proceeded to lock the bolt back, as required when benching a rifle. Only to have a round extract.
That would trip me out.
Bring a hot gun to the range… :wtf:….and sweep the muzzle.
And Sai is a legend. Voice of Command. No Nonsense. Had a Loud Ass Speaker so you shriveled as he spoke to you. Never saw anything that wasn’t deserved, including on my own ass.
And nice guy.
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"Sometimes lessons are best learned the hard way" - Someone who learned lessons the hard way (me included)
I recall a number of times that Sai yelled at folks. Did he take it too far? Maybe to some, but I also take safety very seriously, so not to me. Why folks, typically the "I've been shooting all my life" or "I'm a weapons expert" types want to argue against clearly posted rules, is beyond me and when I have zero problems them getting yelled at.
The old guy one is one maybe different. I've taken my dad a bunch of times and I generally handled the casing and uncasing. That said, there were times when his muzzle discipline did wander a bit when shooting pistols, but nothing unsafe. As long as said old guy wasn't one of the types noted above. No excuse for "I wasn't aware", but different than those that think they know and disregard safety.
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Who is this "Sai" guy? He still at KHSC? Anybody get pictcha?
He seems like an older gentleman. But all the RSO's are old.
I don't have one. Best I can remember, think of a really asian Robert Kekaula.
I do recall talking story with him here and there. Really nice guy.
Most of the current ROs are cool. Some tend to want to try to be more helpful at times. Personally, I just want to be left alone. Not that I know it all, but I'm usually there for a purpose. Yeah, free to talk story, check out my guns, etc. But if I want help, I'll ask. There are some that have come to my bench and want to offer help. Well, other than Slick who just comes by to bug me anyways. :rofl:
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IDK who Sai is.
All are old
Fat, Japanese looking guy
Filiino guy with thick accent
Guy missing some digits with white hair. usually feeding the chickes/birds
Taller Asian mix guy, usually on the mic
Then there's uncle sitting outside the mens restroom with cigar and puko shirt.
This is for rifle side only. Usually the flip mano helps us when needed. He taught me about bore sighting.
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IDK who Sai is.
All are old
1) Fat, Japanese looking guy
2) Filiino guy with thick accent
Guy missing some digits with white hair. usually feeding the chickes/birds
Taller Asian mix guy, usually on the mic
Then there's uncle sitting outside the mens restroom with cigar and puko shirt.
This is for rifle side only. Usually the flip mano helps us when needed. He taught me about bore sighting.
1) Moustache and shorter than others? If so, he not THAT fat.
2) Slick. Be careful if he gives you the secret handshake.
Anyone remember the flare day? :shake:
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1) Moustache and shorter than others? If so, he not THAT fat.
2) Slick. Be careful if he gives you the secret handshake.
Anyone remember the flare day? :shake:
Flare day, when the young asian RSO shot a flare into the berm and set the hillside on fire?
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Sai passed away :(
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Flare day, when the young asian RSO shot a flare into the berm and set the hillside on fire?
Yeah. IIRC the first shot was into the dirt, but was a dud. That's when he shot the second one and it hit the dirt and then skipped to or over the berm. Then the hillside went up in flames.
I left before the fire got really rolling. I went back maybe a few days later and saw the charred hillside.
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Sometimes looks and demeanor is deceiving.
What seems to be a mean hard ass turns out to be a really nice person.
Case in point: (one of countless ones over my life but one of my favorites).
In my working days we used to hit the high rise decks in new construction. The deck is the highest floor (at that time) of a high rise building. The pace of work is one floor every 3 to 4 days. So the deck today will be the floor beneath you by the next week.
In my opinion one of the hardest jobs in construction is those steel men doing the rebars on high rises. They are responsible for erecting the skeletal rebar foundation before concrete is poured. The electricians usually work side by side with the steel men installing conduit for the electrical system along with plumbers, carpenters, etc.
There was this short stocky steel man Foreman that was constantly yelling at the top of his lungs at his men. Usually for failing to install the rebar to specs but mainly just to "HURRY THE F**K UP!!. He rode his men hard and relentlessly, day in and day out. I initially wondered why the men would put up with this kind of verbal abuse. A foreman pushing hard is nothing new, as construction has a schedule and to fall behind costs serious money. There were intimidating instances where this foreman would slam down steel and anything else nearby to either get his point across or to just get the men motivated.
But I found out why his men tolerated his behavior. It's because when the lunch bell rings, or the pau hana horn blares, this man becomes the most caring and compassionate person you'd never think would come from a person just yelling and screaming just minutes before. There is an old school saying: "Work is work."
During lunch, his voice is gentle and genuine. He would ask his men how things are with family. He would bring treats for the men: I remember he brought ice cold mangoes or pineapple slices for the men. Being on the top floor of a high rise under the relentless sun and you will appreciate these small, simple gestures. He always had a huge cooler of juices and sodas for his men. Many times he would come over and offer us drinks also.
When there are milestone accomplishments he is super generous to his men. Usually when there is a "topping off" party (when the high rise building reaches it's top floor) he would hold BBQ parties with beer, steaks, and pupus for his men and a few of the other trades like us, plumbers, and a few other trades. As far as I know he provided the majority of the drinks and food out of his own pocket. Keep in mind this is the olden days of construction (early 90's) before it no longer was permitted to drink and have gatherings on construction sites after work.
Aside from his super duper loud and intimidating voice, he has shown himself to be a caring, friendly, down to earth and quiet type of guy.
Like I said earlier about that old school saying: Work is work....... :shaka:
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Sai passed away :(
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Sometimes looks and demeanor is deceiving.
What seems to be a mean hard ass turns out to be a really nice person.
Case in point: (one of countless ones over my life but one of my favorites).
In my working days we used to hit the high rise decks in new construction. The deck is the highest floor (at that time) of a high rise building. The pace of work is one floor every 3 to 4 days. So the deck today will be the floor beneath you by the next week.
In my opinion one of the hardest jobs in construction is those steel men doing the rebars on high rises. They are responsible for erecting the skeletal rebar foundation before concrete is poured. The electricians usually work side by side with the steel men installing conduit for the electrical system along with plumbers, carpenters, etc.
There was this short stocky steel man Foreman that was constantly yelling at the top of his lungs at his men. Usually for failing to install the rebar to specs but mainly just to "HURRY THE F**K UP!!. He rode his men hard and relentlessly, day in and day out. I initially wondered why the men would put up with this kind of verbal abuse. A foreman pushing hard is nothing new, as construction has a schedule and to fall behind costs serious money. There were intimidating instances where this foreman would slam down steel and anything else nearby to either get his point across or to just get the men motivated.
But I found out why his men tolerated his behavior. It's because when the lunch bell rings, or the pau hana horn blares, this man becomes the most caring and compassionate person you'd never think would come from a person just yelling and screaming just minutes before. There is an old school saying: "Work is work."
During lunch, his voice is gentle and genuine. He would ask his men how things are with family. He would bring treats for the men: I remember he brought ice cold mangoes or pineapple slices for the men. Being on the top floor of a high rise under the relentless sun and you will appreciate these small, simple gestures. He always had a huge cooler of juices and sodas for his men. Many times he would come over and offer us drinks also.
When there are milestone accomplishments he is super generous to his men. Usually when there is a "topping off" party (when the high rise building reaches it's top floor) he would hold BBQ parties with beer, steaks, and pupus for his men and a few of the other trades like us, plumbers, and a few other trades. As far as I know he provided the majority of the drinks and food out of his own pocket. Keep in mind this is the olden days of construction (early 90's) before it no longer was permitted to drink and have gatherings on construction sites after work.
Aside from his super duper loud and intimidating voice, he has shown himself to be a caring, friendly, down to earth and quiet type of guy.
Like I said earlier about that old school saying: Work is work....... :shaka:
This really brought back memories. I worked construction from the mid 70’s until I retired 3/2020. I was a concrete/prestressed/post tension inspector. You described the job and the atmosphere very well. I worked with thousands of ironworkers in in my 45 years. Some became friends. Most earned my respect. It is a very very tough job which is very very tough on your body. Most don’t make it to retirement age before being injured or just plain worn out. I always remembered that the ironworker foreman only made a dollar or two an hour more than his men. The responsibility and stress is not worth that small amount. I loved my job and I miss the camaraderie I had with most ironworkers. :thumbsup:
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Sai passed away :(
Oh no, I was hoping he just retired. Rest in peace and thanks for the scary lesson Mr Sai. :shaka:
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Who’s the short filipino kinda chubby guy on the rifle side. I got yelled at a lot by him in the beginning. Nothin that I didn’t deserve tho.
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Who’s the short filipino kinda chubby guy on the rifle side. I got yelled at a lot by him in the beginning. Nothin that I didn’t deserve tho.
bald older guy?
that;s Slick...
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I think the range should start giving out free adderall. Having new shooters is great - it grows the community and gives a certain neighborhood board president heartburn. It got bad enough today for the RO to call a longer pause during the relay to remind people they would be sent home if they didn’t follow the range safety rules.
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I think the range should start giving out free adderall. Having new shooters is great - it grows the community and gives a certain neighborhood board president heartburn. It got bad enough today for the RO to call a longer pause during the relay to remind people they would be sent home if they didn’t follow the range safety rules.
Rifle or pistol side?
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Rifle or pistol side?
rifle
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Again, what’s the story ?
This is getting a little nuts.
And that’s two reports in a short timeframe.
Are these all newbs ?
Yellow line violations ? Sweeping/muzzle control violations ? Closed bolt violations ? Rapid fire violations ? ……..
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Again, what’s the story ?
This is getting a little nuts.
And that’s two reports in a short timeframe.
Are these all newbs ?
Yellow line violations ? Sweeping/muzzle control violations ? Closed bolt violations ? Rapid fire violations ? ……..
i'll let bota tell the rest of the story...
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bald older guy?
that;s Slick...
I like when he scolds someone over the loudspeaker bc you can hardly make out what he's saying with the thick Filipino accent. :shaka:
he's the one that convinced me to get into shooting years ago. i knew him outside of kokohead before. very nice guy
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the chair is against the wall...
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I like when he scolds someone over the loudspeaker bc you can hardly make out what he's saying with the thick Filipino accent. :shaka:
he's the one that convinced me to get into shooting years ago. i knew him outside of kokohead before. very nice guy
don't aks what is in the fanny pack...
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Again, what’s the story ?
This is getting a little nuts.
And that’s two reports in a short timeframe.
Are these all newbs ?
Yellow line violations ? Sweeping/muzzle control violations ? Closed bolt violations ? Rapid fire violations ? ……..
It's people forgetting where they are and what they're doing mostly. There was a group of local 20 somethings that got scolded for taking selfies with their guns while everyone was down range. The head guy was pretty chill and went over after and talked with them about it after. This middle age guy (50's) was fussing with stuff on the bench and ended up flagging the line with a loaded rifle while he was holding it in his left hand - again carelessness. One relay I could hear Slick yelling at someone and then the head guy telling them to get off the bench. This was before the lead guy called a pause on the next relay. Just gotta pay attention to what you're doing... :shaka:
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Maybe gotta look into "gig slips". These are written warnings of the infraction with the date. So many gig slips and there could be suspensions or bans from the range.
Gig slips are a love/hate type of thing. Depends on the individual's maturity level. But for the most part, the infraction is very rarely repeated again.
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Its better to correct the action the moment you see it. You can usually spot someone who is careless the time they step foot onto the range.....
The ROs have it down and they know who they have to keep an eye on....they already know....
Everyone is a safety officer.
The chair is against the wall
The chair is against the wall
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Its better to correct the action the moment you see it. You can usually spot someone who is careless the time they step foot onto the range.....
The ROs have it down and they know who they have to keep an eye on....they already know....
Everyone is a safety officer.
The chair is against the wall
The chair is against the wall
Sometimes it's those that think they know it all, think they are safe that are the worst. "I've been doing this my whole life holstering my 1911 from the slide with my pinky in the trigger guard". "I've been trained by the military/scouts/etc and have been doing this for years".
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Sometimes it's those that think they know it all, think they are safe that are the worst. "I've been doing this my whole life holstering my 1911 from the slide with my pinky in the trigger guard". "I've been trained by the military/scouts/etc and have been doing this for years".
Yep. Same people who limp wrist their guns who claim to be space shuttle door gunners...
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Yep. Same people who limp wrist their guns who claim to be space shuttle door gunners...
space force!
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space force!
They don't make it past space cadet. . .
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They don't make it past space cadet. . .
apparently there was one this past weekend...
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apparently there was one this past weekend...
Oooh, do share. This is a PSA thread. . .
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Oooh, do share. This is a PSA thread. . .
don't want to offend anyone here
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Rifle side, RO said there was seven incidents with new people. I was lane 82 so I didn't see it but heard the commotion.
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I remember when the race track was here, for noobs, they had a noob session that they would take you on in the soccer mom van. But it was good because it only took like 10 mins and you won't make mistakes and hold up the line.
The problem is it is 100% voluntary. And those who didn't take the noob session wasn't known until they screw up at the start line and waiting area. Then they kick you out for the night.
So maybe this would be a good thing to do. Only should take less than 5 minutes to explain the rules. Because apparently, many are not reading the board, nor come with someone who knows the rules, who can explain it to them. So on the PA system an announcement a few times an hour for any ones who it's their 1st time, see the RO.
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I remember when the race track was here, for noobs, they had a noob session that they would take you on in the soccer mom van. But it was good because it only took like 10 mins and you won't make mistakes and hold up the line.
The problem is it is 100% voluntary. And those who didn't take the noob session wasn't known until they screw up at the start line and waiting area. Then they kick you out for the night.
So maybe this would be a good thing to do. Only should take less than 5 minutes to explain the rules. Because apparently, many are not reading the board, nor come with someone who knows the rules, who can explain it to them. So on the PA system an announcement a few times an hour for any ones who it's their 1st time, see the RO.
This goes back to my recommendation that the range have a training video each person must watch and be issued a range card. Then you show the card when signing in. If you can't show it, you can have them look you up, or take the training again. The video takes no more than 10 minutes, and it covers range rules, the basics of firearm safety, targets, etc. They can also make that available on the website, and track who completes it. The range card can then be issued on their next visit without watching it again.
It would increase safety at the range significantly. It would also provide an orientation of the range for new visitors. The whole process could be incorporated into the handgun affidavit program so new shooters already have their cards issued.
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no more selfies!
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This goes back to my recommendation that the range have a training video each person must watch and be issued a range card. Then you show the card when signing in. If you can't show it, you can have them look you up, or take the training again. The video takes no more than 10 minutes, and it covers range rules, the basics of firearm safety, targets, etc. They can also make that available on the website, and track who completes it. The range card can then be issued on their next visit without watching it again.
It would increase safety at the range significantly. It would also provide an orientation of the range for new visitors. The whole process could be incorporated into the handgun affidavit program so new shooters already have their cards issued.
Clark County range has a vid on YT (Vegas). IDK if they make noobs watch it, but I called and asked what their rules are and the lady assumed I was from HI.
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This goes back to my recommendation that the range have a training video each person must watch and be issued a range card. Then you show the card when signing in. If you can't show it, you can have them look you up, or take the training again. The video takes no more than 10 minutes, and it covers range rules, the basics of firearm safety, targets, etc. They can also make that available on the website, and track who completes it. The range card can then be issued on their next visit without watching it again.
It would increase safety at the range significantly. It would also provide an orientation of the range for new visitors. The whole process could be incorporated into the handgun affidavit program so new shooters already have their cards issued.
My local indoor range has the form you fill out online. You fill it out prior to watching the 15 minute safety video. After you watch it they make the form searchable and then every time you come to the range they look you up by name and assign you a lane.