Post by: macsak on October 19, 2021, 07:26:23 AM
Post by: mrgaf on October 19, 2021, 08:11:44 PM
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 19, 2021, 08:23:41 PM
I’m all for it. Give Hawaii back and split the nation by whatever mean necessary. The America I knew and loved is slowly dying….. :thumbsup: >:(
As long as it doesn't happen here in Hawaii
Post by: mrgaf on October 20, 2021, 08:51:45 AM
As long as it doesn't happen here in Hawaii
Hawaii is too small to be divided and peacefully handing the islands back to the Hawaiian people would be in the islands best interest.
Man am I gonna get some shit for this but it is what it is….. :shaka:
Post by: omnigun on October 20, 2021, 09:13:14 AM
I’m all for it. Give Hawaii back and split the nation by whatever mean necessary. The America I knew and loved is slowly dying….. :thumbsup: >:(
Hawaii is too small to be divided and peacefully handing the islands back to the Hawaiian people would be in the islands best interest.
Man am I gonna get some shit for this but it is what it is….. :shaka:
Lul if you think Hawaii as a sovereign nation will do better you don't really know hawaii :rofl:
Backwards policies on science (telescopes). Many useless Hawaiian "leaders" can't even figure out how to give land and assistance programs while being utterly rich and powerful. Corruption. Unless we keep the some of the same idiots in office if we keep the current American politicians. Which is also bad.
Hawaii will be the next Uganda under Hawaiian dictatorship.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 20, 2021, 09:26:51 AM
Hawaii is too small to be divided and peacefully handing the islands back to the Hawaiian people would be in the islands best interest.
Man am I gonna get some shit for this but it is what it is….. :shaka:
There's a list of "Hawaiian Leaders" who received money from Pfizer. Just sayin...
Post by: Kuleana on October 20, 2021, 10:03:00 AM
Lul if you think Hawaii as a sovereign nation will do better you don't really know hawaii :rofl:The only Hawaii you know is that of an occupied Hawaii.
Backwards policies on science (telescopes). Many useless Hawaiian "leaders" can't even figure out how to give land and assistance programs while being utterly rich and powerful. Corruption.Yes, you are referring to aboriginal Hawaiian sell-outs to the US empire and not highly educated Hawaiian nationals patiently waiting for the right time.
Hawaii will be the next Uganda under Hawaiian dictatorship.Such a classic racist view that was ironically held by those White racist insurgents that overthrew the Hawaiian Kingdom as well as those racist US imperialists that worked to illegally annex Hawaii a few years later.
Funny how some attitudes and behaviors have not changed since 1893 and 1898.
And some wonder why aboriginal Hawaiians will never totally trust haoles ever again...
Post by: Kuleana on October 20, 2021, 10:13:51 AM
Hawaii is too small to be divided and peacefully handing the islands back to the Hawaiian people would be in the islands best interest.Why should you expect harassment and retribution for such a highly fair, critical, and honest patriotic assessment?
Man am I gonna get some shit for this but it is what it is….. :shaka:
As one of the last remaining American patriots of your generation, your statement only exemplifies the values of freedom taught by America's founding fathers that are unfortunately no longer held by the younger subject-citizens of the now US empire.
From this Hawaiian patriot, I salute your unwavering commitment to what the American republic stood for and support your efforts to end the current tyranny of the US empire's Power Okole.
Post by: MassConfusion on October 20, 2021, 11:31:33 AM
Saw this one yesterday, its more or less a collection of tik toks from some people who aren't too happy. I think it fits under this topic.
BIDEN WARNS VETERANS: GET VACCINATED OR LOSE YOUR HEALTH CARE - VET'S RESPONSE - I GOT A BULLET 4 YA
https://www.bitchute.com/video/DiNh11OvBE9d/
Post by: ren on October 20, 2021, 11:34:41 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitter-users-erupt-support-in-n-out-company-refuses-enforce-vaccine-mandate-donotcomply (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/twitter-users-erupt-support-in-n-out-company-refuses-enforce-vaccine-mandate-donotcomply)
Post by: Inspector on October 20, 2021, 12:05:09 PM
As far as states seceding from the republic I think it could occur. I think Texas has the best shot. I will tell you all the same thing as I have told my family. If Texas is successful in seceding from the US I will pack my bags and become a Texas citizen.
Post by: Jl808 on October 20, 2021, 12:10:50 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 20, 2021, 12:11:12 PM
Basically it's those who love America vs. those who don't. And the best part is for those who hate America side, many don't even know that they're being used as "soldiers". They feel like they are on the right side and bash anyone who doesn't have the same belief.
So IMO, we have already been in a civil war for some years now.
Post by: mrgaf on October 20, 2021, 12:17:02 PM
Lul if you think Hawaii as a sovereign nation will do better you don't really know hawaii :rofl:
Backwards policies on science (telescopes). Many useless Hawaiian "leaders" can't even figure out how to give land and assistance programs while being utterly rich and powerful. Corruption. Unless we keep the some of the same idiots in office if we keep the current American politicians. Which is also bad.
Hawaii will be the next Uganda under Hawaiian dictatorship.
What makes you think you’re so damn smart? Have you got a better way to do things? I know Hawaii better then you think. I understand the pain most Hawaiians feel about having their islands and kingdom stolen from them. How can I understand their feelings? I’m 25% Native American, that’s how! My ancestors lands were stolen from them by force leaving a trail of blood and tears on both sides. We can’t go back but we have an opportunity to right a wrong that was done and be the America I fought for. It’s ok for us to protect Hawaii if we are asked but not occupy, it’s ok the help a new nation but let them choose their own path and be a true friend. If you ever spent any time outside of your own backyard you’d understand what I’m saying. As for a dictatorship here in Hawaii I seriously doubt it. What the hell do we have here now? No dictatorship but a republic, of the people, by the people and for the people………sound familiar? Time to get your head out of your ass…….
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 20, 2021, 12:20:19 PM
Post by: omnigun on October 20, 2021, 12:36:19 PM
The only Hawaii you know is that of an occupied Hawaii.
Yes, you are referring to aboriginal Hawaiian sell-outs to the US empire and not highly educated Hawaiian nationals patiently waiting for the right time.
Such a classic racist view that was ironically held by those White racist insurgents that overthrew the Hawaiian Kingdom as well as those racist US imperialists that worked to illegally annex Hawaii a few years later.
Funny how some attitudes and behaviors have not changed since 1893 and 1898.
And some wonder why aboriginal Hawaiians will never totally trust haoles ever again...
Un-occupied Hawaii wasn't that great either.
I am referring to current "Hawaiian" leadership. They have land and they can't even get the waiting list done. Utterly useless. There is plenty of current scandals too. They are anti science and against a telescope even though back in the day thats what made Hawaiians great. They turned ignorant and worship dirt.
Post by: omnigun on October 20, 2021, 12:38:19 PM
When people think civil war, they assume it will be the same as the North vs. South kind. But there are many types of warfare that was used in the past 5 years. Tech giants censoring mainly 1 side, Antifa stuff, Trump supporters who are first responders fired, and stuff like this. I'm talking about concepts, an exact same type of war need not happen. Same like comparing vaxx segregation and Jew armbands.
Basically it's those who love America vs. those who don't. And the best part is for those who hate America side, many don't even know that they're being used as "soldiers". They feel like they are on the right side and bash anyone who doesn't have the same belief.
So IMO, we have already been in a civil war for some years now.
Lol no. There is no such thing as love America vs those who don't.
There will be no civil war. Don't use the term lightly. Unless states start to break off and people literally go to war, its just usual political crap. Its an insult just like comparing vaxx with the holocaust.
Post by: Inspector on October 20, 2021, 12:40:23 PM
Some people are saying that a war is already being waged, but it is some kind of 5th gen war, which involves information / misinformation.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: omnigun on October 20, 2021, 12:44:49 PM
What makes you think you’re so damn smart? Have you got a better way to do things? I know Hawaii better then you think. I understand the pain most Hawaiians feel about having their islands and kingdom stolen from them. How can I understand their feelings? I’m 25% Native American, that’s how! My ancestors lands were stolen from them by force leaving a trail of blood and tears on both sides. We can’t go back but we have an opportunity to right a wrong that was done and be the America I fought for. It’s ok for us to protect Hawaii if we are asked but not occupy, it’s ok the help a new nation but let them choose their own path and be a true friend. If you ever spent any time outside of your own backyard you’d understand what I’m saying. As for a dictatorship here in Hawaii I seriously doubt it. What the hell do we have here now? No dictatorship but a republic, of the people, by the people and for the people………sound familiar? Time to get your head out of your ass…….
Hawaii was ruled by a monarch with pure power (dictatorship). It is now part of America, an democratic republic.
What happened is in the past. There's almost no land in the world that wasn't taken by war at some point. Sometimes you just gotta move on with life. Some of my ancestors were sent to camps because of their race but that was fixed and we all moved on an prospered and stopped whining about the past. Just like African Americans and their endless complaining about something that happened 4 generations ago. There plenty of rich African Americans now, nothing holding them back.
War happens, Hawaiians lost, the Native Americans lost. They had several options, fight till death or join the winning side. A new country was formed and the old was added to it. Over the years the cultures mesh and the former country has a chance to impart new things on the victorious country. If you don't like it run for political office.
Post by: mrgaf on October 20, 2021, 01:09:47 PM
Hawaii was ruled by a monarch with pure power (dictatorship). It is now part of America, an democratic republic.
What happened is in the past. There's almost no land in the world that wasn't taken by war at some point. Sometimes you just gotta move on with life. Some of my ancestors were sent to camps because of their race but that was fixed and we all moved on an prospered and stopped whining about the past. Just like African Americans and their endless complaining about something that happened 4 generations ago. There plenty of rich African Americans now, nothing holding them back.
War happens, Hawaiians lost, the Native Americans lost. They had several options, fight till death or join the winning side. A new country was formed and the old was added to it. Over the years the cultures mesh and the former country has a chance to impart new things on the victorious country. If you don't like it run for political office.
Well I refuse to argue with a self appointed “scholar” who is actually a young punk idiot. BTW we are supposed to be a republic….When asked, Ben Franklin was asked what type of government will we have and his response was “a republic if we can keep it”. Guess we’ve failed miserably!
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2021, 01:15:34 PM
Some people are saying that a war is already being waged, but it is some kind of 5th gen war, which involves information / misinformation.
If you grew up in the Cold War era, you know that wars are not always fought with a military. One of the most effective tools in the Cold War was information, disinformation, and pure propaganda.
When it comes to the current state of the US, it's obvious we have a press/media that's doing exactly that for one party. The big tech giants have replaced the broadcast TV stations and newspapers.
If you can convince more than 3/4 of the people that one side is right and everyone else is evil, the momentum is on your side. At that point, the winning side will be able to take over the government, the courts and have a good grasp on corporations.
So, yeah. This current war is not new. It's just being exposed more now due to free access to the Internet. That's why big tech is trying to censor anyone who presents a threat ideologically or factually.
Post by: aletheuo137 on October 20, 2021, 01:50:33 PM
Well I refuse to argue with a self appointed “scholar” who is actually a young punk idiot. BTW we are supposed to be a republic….When asked, Ben Franklin was asked what type of government will we have and his response was “a republic if we can keep it”. Guess we’ve failed miserably!I wouldn't give him the time of day.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2021, 02:19:32 PM
I wouldn't give him the time of day.
That would be best. No matter what time you said, you'd be wrong.
https://youtu.be/jgF_ycCmF18
Post by: ren on October 20, 2021, 02:24:23 PM
Well I refuse to argue with a self appointed “scholar” who is actually a young punk idiot. BTW we are supposed to be a republic….When asked, Ben Franklin was asked what type of government will we have and his response was “a republic if we can keep it”. Guess we’ve failed miserably!
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Post by: mrgaf on October 20, 2021, 02:42:47 PM
I wouldn't give him the time of day.
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I’ve said my piece and I’m done with the dipshit…..
Post by: aletheuo137 on October 20, 2021, 03:09:46 PM
I’ve said my piece and I’m done with the dipshit…..TDS - the dip shit
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Post by: omnigun on October 20, 2021, 03:24:49 PM
I’ve said my piece and I’m done with the dipshit…..
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Post by: hvybarrels on October 20, 2021, 03:32:20 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 20, 2021, 03:35:30 PM
I’ve said my piece and I’m done with the dipshit…..
TDS is real.
Those afflicted intentionally try to infect others.
There's no vaccine other than common sense.
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As such, lack of official [DSM-5] recognition does not mean that TDS is not a real mental condition.
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Such forms of highly emotional reaction could be something akin to the fainting and screaming
characterizing American Beatlemania in the 1960s. Unlike the Beatles, however, the extreme
emotional reaction alleged to characterize TDS is not based on adoration and admiration, but
on fear and loathing.
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Many have argued that some people have been seriously disturbed and distressed by the policies,https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201901/is-trump-derangement-syndrome-real-mental-condition
speech, behavior, and tweets of President Trump, so much so that it has affected their cognitive,
affective, and behavioral functioning. Such people may need mental health support. As such,
further research is necessary to investigate the extreme reactions toward President Trump, in the
same way that researchers investigate other extreme social phenomena, such as Beatlemania or
the like.
TDS --- Find a Cure!
Post by: Rocky on October 20, 2021, 04:06:24 PM
TDS is real.
Those afflicted intentionally try to infect others.
There's no vaccine other than common sense.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201901/is-trump-derangement-syndrome-real-mental-condition
TDS --- Find a Cure!
Not ANOTHER vaccine ! :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake:
Post by: omnigun on October 20, 2021, 04:15:54 PM
TDS is real.
Those afflicted intentionally try to infect others.
There's no vaccine other than common sense.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-men/201901/is-trump-derangement-syndrome-real-mental-condition
TDS --- Find a Cure!
lol
I don't qualify for TDS I don't hate him. Just dislike his policies. And I don't worship him. I can also realize and compare him to previous/current presidents.
aka not a lemming.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 20, 2021, 04:59:52 PM
It would really suck though, and should be avoided at all cost.
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Post by: omnigun on October 20, 2021, 05:24:15 PM
If there is a civil war we know who would win. They deep state might be able to steal elections, manipulate media, and terrorize the cities with paid thugs but their grassroots is nonexistent. In order to buy people off your money has to be worth something.
It would really suck though, and should be avoided at all cost.
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Deepstate conspiracies. :crazy:
What's next illuminatii?
Post by: Kuleana on October 20, 2021, 06:08:28 PM
Un-occupied Hawaii wasn't that great either.Where are you getting your information regarding the Hawaiian Kingdom era to make your emotional value judgements?
I am referring to current "Hawaiian" leadership. They have land and they can't even get the waiting list done. Utterly useless. There is plenty of current scandals too. They are anti science and against a telescope even though back in the day thats what made Hawaiians great. They turned ignorant and worship dirt.Like I told you in my last post, the current so-called Hawaiian leaders are sell-out stooges that are paid US imperial blood money to control the aboriginal Hawaiian population. Those people will get what's coming, once the Power Okole finds no more use and abandons them, as what happened to the Kurds as well as the those Afghans who sold out their nation, for US imperial printed toilet paper.
Post by: Kuleana on October 20, 2021, 06:16:44 PM
Hawaii was ruled by a monarch with pure power (dictatorship). It is now part of America, an democratic republic.Totally don't know what you are talking about. :crazy:
War happens, Hawaiians lost, the Native Americans lost. They had several options, fight till death or join the winning side. A new country was formed and the old was added to it. Over the years the cultures mesh and the former country has a chance to impart new things on the victorious country. If you don't like it run for political office.Stop embarrassing yourself with your lack of knowledge regarding US Constitutional and international law.
Hawaiians did not lose any war. If you think they did, please go to Waianae, Nanakuli, and Waimanalo and tell the aboriginal Hawaiians that. I think you will be surprised on the verbal and hopefully not physical responses you get, from your delusional beliefs. :shaka:
Post by: hvybarrels on October 20, 2021, 07:55:09 PM
please go to Waianae, Nanakuli, and Waimanalo and tell the aboriginal Hawaiians that.
Might get a free boat ride out of it too
Post by: ren on October 20, 2021, 09:03:50 PM
Totally don't know what you are talking about. :crazy:
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wait for it...
If you think they did, please go to Waianae, Nanakuli, and Waimanalo and tell the aboriginal Hawaiians that. I think you will be surprised on the verbal and hopefully not physical responses you get, from your delusional beliefs. :shaka:
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Post by: mrgaf on October 20, 2021, 09:06:57 PM
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wait for it...
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You guys are a riot! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 20, 2021, 09:27:17 PM
Yes, you are referring to aboriginal Hawaiian sell-outs to the US empire and not highly educated Hawaiian nationals patiently waiting for the right time.
And what will happen if/when factions form in Hawaii claiming to be rightful heirs of power? Not saying there aren't smart capable Hawaiian leaders but they might not all agree who gets power. Could lead to a Hawaiian civil war. Just saying we can't ignore that issue.
I wouldn't even be against an independent Hawaiian nation once again either.
Post by: hvybarrels on October 20, 2021, 11:24:58 PM
Ethno-nationalism is always a disaster, btw
Open for any shining success story examples but trust me there aren’t any
Post by: omnigun on October 21, 2021, 06:28:50 AM
Totally don't know what you are talking about. :crazy:
Stop embarrassing yourself with your lack of knowledge regarding US Constitutional and international law.
Hawaiians did not lose any war. If you think they did, please go to Waianae, Nanakuli, and Waimanalo and tell the aboriginal Hawaiians that. I think you will be surprised on the verbal and hopefully not physical responses you get, from your delusional beliefs. :shaka:
When Kamehameha took over all the islands in sure it was democratic right? :crazy: :rofl:
Nah I won't. Meh your are the one with the delusions.
Lei me ask you this if they didn't lose a war why is the Hawaiian islands part of America? Annex or not method doesn't matter.
Post by: Kuleana on October 21, 2021, 10:33:33 AM
And what will happen if/when factions form in Hawaii claiming to be rightful heirs of power? Not saying there aren't smart capable Hawaiian leaders but they might not all agree who gets power. Could lead to a Hawaiian civil war. Just saying we can't ignore that issue.There are many so-called factions that claim lineage to the Hawaiian Kingdom throne. As with many aboriginal Hawaiians, those would-be contenders to the throne do not know the laws that governed the Hawaiian Kingdom, especially regarding how their monarchs are selected. If they did, they should already know that the last official heir to the throne was Princess Kaiulani, who died relatively young and is rumored to have been assassinated by the White insurgent oligarchy that overthrew Queen Liliuokalani. Those White racists knew Hawaiian Kingdom law and knew Princess Kaiulani was the last recognized heir to the Kingdom, as Queen Liliuokalani did not name any other successors, after her death.
Most aboriginal Hawaiians are loving of their historical monarchy, but are no longer bounded by the rule-of-devine right. Hence, the only potential civil war among aboriginal Hawaiians would be a result of the classic machinations of the US empire, in their attempt to maintain at least hegemonic control; as what they are currently trying to do in Afghanistan, with their covert support to their favorite terrorist-for-hire, ISIS-K.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2021, 10:38:14 AM
There are many so-called factions that claim lineage to the Hawaiian Kingdom throne. As with many aboriginal Hawaiians, those would-be contenders to the throne do not know the laws that governed the Hawaiian Kingdom, especially regarding how their monarchs are selected. If they did, they should already know that the last official heir to the throne was Princess Kaiulani, who died relatively young and is rumored to have been assassinated by the White insurgent oligarchy that overthrew Queen Liliuokalani. Those White racists knew Hawaiian Kingdom law and knew Princess Kaiulani was the last recognized heir to the Kingdom, as Queen Liliuokalani did not name any other successors, after her death.
Most aboriginal Hawaiians are loving of their historical monarchy, but are no longer bounded by the rule-of-devine right. Hence, the only potential civil war among aboriginal Hawaiians would be a result of the classic machinations of the US empire, in their attempt to maintain at least hegemonic control; as what they are currently trying to do in Afghanistan, with their covert support to their favorite terrorist-for-hire, ISIS-K.
If I read this correctly, you're saying, "We'll cross that bridge when we get to it?" Only if, and when, there's a need to pick a ruler/government/leader, will the debate on the specifics be productive?
Post by: Kuleana on October 21, 2021, 10:47:17 AM
Hawaii is currently run by criminals who occasionally get smacked around by the federal government when they get too far out of line. We are so used to Kleptocracy that I suspect that it would be just another set of criminals that takes over. Maybe they would be smarter criminals than our current batch of paste eaters, but with no Fed to smack them around I could see this place rapidly devolving into a banana republic.What kind of government did you think would result in the US imperial installed puppet government of Hawaii? Case in point, has there been any US imperial backed puppet regime that was not corrupt? Every single one of the US empire's so-called non-First World allies have and currently are corrupt regimes.
Ethno-nationalism is always a disaster, btw Open for any shining success story examples but trust me there aren’t anyAny nation that achieves autonomy or refuses to become a vassal of the US empire are always covertly attacked through economic means via sanctions and/or economic or financial blockades. Iran, Cuba, Venezuela, and now China have and are now facing crippling attacks to their economy. Hence, your statement is correct, but leaves out why they are not economically successful. It is not because of faulty leadership in those sovereign nations, but the economic and financial attacks, orchestrated by the US empire's Power Okole.
Post by: Kuleana on October 21, 2021, 11:07:38 AM
If I read this correctly, you're saying, "We'll cross that bridge when we get to it?" Only if, and when, there's a need to pick a ruler/government/leader, will the debate on the specifics be productive?Not at all.
Right now, based on the research from contemporary aboriginal Hawaiian scholars, such as Dr. Keanu Sai and others, Hawaiian and non-Hawaiians in the local and US school system are being taught the constitution and laws that governed the Hawaiian Kingdom. Such knowledge is a prerequisite and must be fully understood before any talk of forming any type of government structure. As evidenced, by the many ignorant stooges that serve the current puppet government and associated NGOs, however, many are devoid of this knowledge and are incapable of leading anything.
Wow, although that was a very racist and anti-Hawaiian thing to say, I am only stating a current state possessed by a few and not what Hawaiians as a whole can achieve with the proper knowledge of their past.
Ironically, no one has ever asked me, whether I would want to see the Hawaiian nation restored right at this moment. Here is the bombshell, NO, I do not want to see a restored Hawaiian nation right now. The reason is obvious, the aboriginal Hawaiian population and those wishing to become Hawaiian nationals are not ready to assume all the functions, of the Hawaiian nation, once de-occupation occurs.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 21, 2021, 12:06:16 PM
Not at all.
Right now, based on the research from contemporary aboriginal Hawaiian scholars, such as Dr. Keanu Sai and others, Hawaiian and non-Hawaiians in the local and US school system are being taught the constitution and laws that governed the Hawaiian Kingdom. Such knowledge is a prerequisite and must be fully understood before any talk of forming any type of government structure. As evidenced, by the many ignorant stooges that serve the current puppet government and associated NGOs, however, many are devoid of this knowledge and are incapable of leading anything.
Wow, although that was a very racist and anti-Hawaiian thing to say, I am only stating a current state possessed by a few and not what Hawaiians as a whole can achieve with the proper knowledge of their past.
Ironically, no one has ever asked me, whether I would want to see the Hawaiian nation restored right at this moment. Here is the bombshell, NO, I do not want to see a restored Hawaiian nation right now. The reason is obvious, the aboriginal Hawaiian population and those wishing to become Hawaiian nationals are not ready to assume all the functions, of the Hawaiian nation, once de-occupation occurs.
I see you saying I didn't get it right, but then you went on to say basically "we should cross that bridge when we get to it," because the general Hawaiian population isn't ready.
"Such knowledge is a prerequisite and must be fully understood before any talk of forming any type of government structure."
Maybe I need a nap? :sleeping:
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 21, 2021, 08:54:45 PM
There are many so-called factions that claim lineage to the Hawaiian Kingdom throne. As with many aboriginal Hawaiians, those would-be contenders to the throne do not know the laws that governed the Hawaiian Kingdom, especially regarding how their monarchs are selected. If they did, they should already know that the last official heir to the throne was Princess Kaiulani, who died relatively young and is rumored to have been assassinated by the White insurgent oligarchy that overthrew Queen Liliuokalani. Those White racists knew Hawaiian Kingdom law and knew Princess Kaiulani was the last recognized heir to the Kingdom, as Queen Liliuokalani did not name any other successors, after her death.
Most aboriginal Hawaiians are loving of their historical monarchy, but are no longer bounded by the rule-of-devine right. Hence, the only potential civil war among aboriginal Hawaiians would be a result of the classic machinations of the US empire, in their attempt to maintain at least hegemonic control; as what they are currently trying to do in Afghanistan, with their covert support to their favorite terrorist-for-hire, ISIS-K.
Having or not having a legitimate claim to the legacy of the throne doesn't eliminate the problem though, if power is there to be taken people will lie steal and cheat to take it. Restoring Hawaii to an independant nation will have to confront this issue sooner or later. Personally I would say the monarchy should be completely ditched if Hawaii were to gain its independence again. Even if there were no monarchy and elections were held there would still be the possibility for infighting. I think a return to an independent nation is something that would need to happen very carefully.