Post by: DocMercy on November 10, 2021, 02:14:47 AM
This mock set-up is inside a church.
My advice:
1. Have a friend with you. A friend request to Kyle Rittenhouse might work.
2. Try to sit in the back row of the church, near an aisle closest to the exit door.
3. Always carry a bodycam with you, as video evidence is crucial in case you need to whip out your concealed carry weapon.
4. Last, but not least, Pray.
Post by: omnigun on November 10, 2021, 09:47:29 AM
Pray online or don't go to church, lessens the chance of that scenario.
Avoid crowded areas and easy targets with limited escape plans
Cameras are your friend.
Don't pray, think of how to escape or fight back. A god probably can't save you.
Post by: oldfart on November 10, 2021, 11:10:49 AM
The basic idea was to run. hide and/or fight.
Post by: aletheuo137 on November 10, 2021, 12:39:35 PM
The company that I work at actually had a gent from the FBI come in to present an active shooter class a couple of weeks ago.Flight or fight
The basic idea was to run. hide and/or fight.
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Post by: ren on November 10, 2021, 01:12:49 PM
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Post by: ren on November 10, 2021, 01:13:32 PM
Post by: changemyoil66 on November 10, 2021, 01:49:27 PM
Post by: aletheuo137 on November 10, 2021, 02:07:36 PM
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 10, 2021, 03:01:00 PM
Sometimes the answer is "yes", but quite often the answer is "no." Just because you didn't get the answer you hoped for 100% of the time doesn't mean your requests were never heard.
Let's say you make a prayer request 10 times. Of those 10 times, 2 work out as you wanted, and 8 do not. How are you going to PROVE prayer was not the reason for a positive outcome those 2 times? The obvious answer is, you can't prove if prayer works or not. I challenge anyone who doubts prayer to show ANY example where science (medicine, engineering, nuclear energy, etc) results in guaranteed positive outcomes every single time.
What has been proven is that the power of positive thought, especially in medical treatments like cancer and addiction, has a significant impact on the patient. If they believe the treatment will work, it has a positive effect versus believing they will never get well. If they believe their prayers are being heard, that in and of itself creates the kind of hope that enhances treatment and may be the determining factor in whether or not it's successful.
Even if prayers don't result in a miracle and the patient is certain to die soon, at least their passing may be more peaceful if they believe their end is part of God's plan, and that their soul is prepared for what is next.
I fail to see the pragmatic rationale for trying to sh!t on people's religious beliefs when i doesn't affect anyone else.
They should stop trying to shove their secular beliefs down everyone's throats.
Post by: ren on November 10, 2021, 03:54:35 PM
Anyone who says "Prayer doesn't work" has never been a parent or doesn't remember their own childhood.
Sometimes the answer is "yes", but quite often the answer is "no." Just because you didn't get the answer you hoped for 100% of the time doesn't mean your requests were never heard.
Let's say you make a prayer request 10 times. Of those 10 times, 2 work out as you wanted, and 8 do not. How are you going to PROVE prayer was not the reason for a positive outcome those 2 times? The obvious answer is, you can't prove if prayer works or not. I challenge anyone who doubts prayer to show ANY example where science (medicine, engineering, nuclear energy, etc) results in guaranteed positive outcomes every single time.
What has been proven is that the power of positive thought, especially in medical treatments like cancer and addiction, has a significant impact on the patient. If they believe the treatment will work, it has a positive effect versus believing they will never get well. If they believe their prayers are being heard, that in and of itself creates the kind of hope that enhances treatment and may be the determining factor in whether or not it's successful.
Even if prayers don't result in a miracle and the patient is certain to die soon, at least their passing may be more peaceful if they believe their end is part of God's plan, and that their soul is prepared for what is next.
I fail to see the pragmatic rationale for trying to sh!t on people's religious beliefs when i doesn't affect anyone else.
They should stop trying to shove their secular beliefs down everyone's throats.
I'll take "Man Child" for $1,000 Alex.
What is a psychopath?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/decoding-madness/202110/7-signs-psychopathic-personality (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/decoding-madness/202110/7-signs-psychopathic-personality)
3. Deceitfulness
This trait is related to distorted self-esteem, an impaired ability to bond with other people, and a need to always be on top. To get there or perceive himself as such, the psychopath will lie, cheat, manipulate, corrode the truth and rationalize to the point that reality is so assaulted that it’s on life support.
4. Shallow Emotions
What can make this particular trait so jarring is that, as previously noted, the psychopath is superficially engaging and can seem expressively “present.” The depth of emotions is belied by a callous indifference.
5. Boredom and a Need for Stimulation
A propensity to experience boredom is related to a strong stimulation-seeking urge, together with an emotional shallowness. Without much of a true connection to other people and with a temperament that is always searching for thrills and excitement, the psychopath is quick to take chances and engage in risky behaviors.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 10, 2021, 03:59:10 PM
I'll take "Man Child" for $1,000 Alex.
What is a psychopath?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/decoding-madness/202110/7-signs-psychopathic-personality (https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/decoding-madness/202110/7-signs-psychopathic-personality)
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5. Boredom and a Need for Stimulation
A propensity to experience boredom is related to a strong stimulation-seeking urge, together with an emotional shallowness. Without much of a true connection to other people and with a temperament that is always searching for thrills and excitement, the psychopath is quick to take chances and engage in risky behaviors.
"It was a calculated risk" comes to mind.
Post by: omnigun on November 10, 2021, 03:59:34 PM
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Without going too much off topic, this is a false claim.
Post by: omnigun on November 10, 2021, 04:04:19 PM
Anyone who says "Prayer doesn't work" has never been a parent or doesn't remember their own childhood.
Sometimes the answer is "yes", but quite often the answer is "no." Just because you didn't get the answer you hoped for 100% of the time doesn't mean your requests were never heard.
Let's say you make a prayer request 10 times. Of those 10 times, 2 work out as you wanted, and 8 do not. How are you going to PROVE prayer was not the reason for a positive outcome those 2 times? The obvious answer is, you can't prove if prayer works or not. I challenge anyone who doubts prayer to show ANY example where science (medicine, engineering, nuclear energy, etc) results in guaranteed positive outcomes every single time.
What has been proven is that the power of positive thought, especially in medical treatments like cancer and addiction, has a significant impact on the patient. If they believe the treatment will work, it has a positive effect versus believing they will never get well. If they believe their prayers are being heard, that in and of itself creates the kind of hope that enhances treatment and may be the determining factor in whether or not it's successful.
Even if prayers don't result in a miracle and the patient is certain to die soon, at least their passing may be more peaceful if they believe their end is part of God's plan, and that their soul is prepared for what is next.
I fail to see the pragmatic rationale for trying to sh!t on people's religious beliefs when i doesn't affect anyone else.
They should stop trying to shove their secular beliefs down everyone's throats.
Praying is up to you, same as "hoping" for something. The use of it to protect yourself is foolish. There is no magic. If someone was trying to kill you, you praying isn't going to stop any bullets. No "god" will come down and save you. All the positive thought in the world won't help you. You have to either fight or run. Prayer is unproductive and frankly useless. Unless you are using it to calm yourself as you hide or similar scenario. What you should be doing is figuring out ways to stay alive. Be proactive.
I am merely trying to add prospective on what I think would actually help you in a similar scenario. Praying is not one of them and probably a hindrance.
In other scenarios, sure praying or positive thoughts might work. But not in this.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 10, 2021, 04:14:30 PM
https://youtu.be/jJ-y3kDkF6w
https://youtu.be/mvy4YH9--Vw
Post by: ren on November 10, 2021, 04:14:52 PM
"It was a calculated risk" comes to mind.
I thought of this guy...
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Post by: macsak on November 10, 2021, 05:16:13 PM
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Post by: aletheuo137 on November 10, 2021, 05:23:03 PM
utterly different species- silverbacking
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Post by: MassConfusion on November 10, 2021, 05:24:26 PM
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Post by: Jl808 on November 10, 2021, 05:45:50 PM
https://youtu.be/FJv4vY954UU
Post by: hvybarrels on November 10, 2021, 10:39:53 PM
Post by: ren on November 12, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
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Post by: omnigun on November 12, 2021, 04:23:51 PM
Wouldn't happen at a Buddhist Temple.
There is no scientific reasoning why it couldn't happen at a Buddhist Temple. All religions tend to have people gather in one location.
Post by: DocMercy on November 13, 2021, 10:43:43 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50952443 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50952443)
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Jack Wilson, a volunteer member of the church's security team, said he fired a single headshot to take down the gunman during the service, which was attended by 240 people while being livestreamed on social media. "I had people in front of me. I had to wait until they got out of my line of fire because I didn't want to hit any of them," he told CBS News.
This is my inference, because the location was a church, and Jack needed to make an accurate shot to (a) take out the gunman and (b) not hit innocent bystanders.
This brings up the age old question of accuracy vs. speed, and what it takes to get a clean shot to the central nervous system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6FY38XQqOg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6FY38XQqOg)
Post by: omnigun on November 13, 2021, 11:44:06 AM
This is the story of an Active Shooting in a Texas church, and a man who probably asked for God's help to protect his neighbors.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50952443 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50952443)
This is my inference, because the location was a church, and Jack needed to make an accurate shot to (a) take out the gunman and (b) not hit innocent bystanders.
This brings up the age old question of accuracy vs. speed, and what it takes to get a clean shot to the central nervous system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6FY38XQqOg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6FY38XQqOg)
Looks like firearm skills not "god" played a role. No lightning bolts to strike the shooter.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on November 13, 2021, 12:06:01 PM
This is the story of an Active Shooting in a Texas church, and a man who probably asked for God's help to protect his neighbors.
This is my inference, because the location was a church, and Jack needed to make an accurate shot to (a) take out the gunman and (b) not hit innocent bystanders.
This brings up the age old question of accuracy vs. speed, and what it takes to get a clean shot to the central nervous system.
I like to use the movie Unforgiven as an example of discussing what it takes to be a successful gunfighter. Like the story of English Bob killing Corky "Two Gun" Corcoran. Bob shot at Corky, but was drunk and missed. Corky panicked and missed his shot, too. Bob tried again, and missed again, because he was still drunk! Corky, then took careful aim at Bob, pulled the trigger, and his Walker Colt blew his hand off ("which was a failing common to that model"). Bob walked over to the unarmed -- and one-handed -- Corky, and shot him right through the liver.
He then explained how being under fire changes the situation, that most people will hurry and miss. It's also difficult to shoot another man even if you're not under fire at the time.
Basically, it's counter-intuitive for a rational, moral human being to point a firearm at another and pull the trigger. So, being able to do that while being fast and on target takes a well-trained and disciplined person .... or a psychopath who isn't concerned with the other person's life.
Post by: ren on November 13, 2021, 12:07:16 PM
This is the story of an Active Shooting in a Texas church, and a man who probably asked for God's help to protect his neighbors.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50952443 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50952443)
This is my inference, because the location was a church, and Jack needed to make an accurate shot to (a) take out the gunman and (b) not hit innocent bystanders.
This brings up the age old question of accuracy vs. speed, and what it takes to get a clean shot to the central nervous system.
Brings back memories of Army Basic Training. The Sunday before our rifle quals we had prayer and asked God to help us with quals and most of us passed - over 90%. :thumbsup:
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