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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: ren on December 15, 2021, 10:16:07 AM
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/celebrities-christmas-lights-display-california-manisons (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/celebrities-christmas-lights-display-california-manisons)
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Should be using LED's and have solar.
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Should be using LED's and have solar.
Once again you missed the entire point of the article.
It's not about, "How can they make better decisions and not be hypocrites?"
It's about, "Look at these hypocrites."
The point is: they preach Climate Change, but then they ignore it when they want pretty lights.
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https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/celebrities-christmas-lights-display-california-manisons (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/celebrities-christmas-lights-display-california-manisons)
Thats rather nitpicking don't you think? With LED lighting that really doesn't represent a huge amount of fossil fuels being consumed. Their private jets and huge cars would be the real culprits to point at.
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Thats rather nitpicking don't you think? With LED lighting that really doesn't represent a huge amount of fossil fuels being consumed. Their private jets and huge cars would be the real culprits to point at.
What about manufacture, shipping, retailing, setup, removal and storage?
Are you telling us none of that takes fossil fuels?
Too often people try to reduce the scope of arguments to just the small factors that can be used to argue a point. The bigger picture has to be pointed out every time.
This is not a hypothetical, so I can see why you were hyper-focused on the amount of electricity needed to operate the lights apart from any other facet that also impacts Climate Change.
BTW, the cost to operate that many LED lights is not tiny. 5 strings of 100 bulbs each of C7 medium LED bulbs can use an average of 45kWh per month. Figure out how many bulbs are being used, and the kWh total is easy to calculate.
The point is, it's not zero, which is where they say the rest of us should be closer to. It's not a crisis if they do this.
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Thats rather nitpicking don't you think? With LED lighting that really doesn't represent a huge amount of fossil fuels being consumed. Their private jets and huge cars would be the real culprits to point at.
ever heard of Ohms Law? Whats the current draw of LEDs? Answer carefully, if you can
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ever heard of Ohms Law? Whats the current draw of LEDs? Answer carefully, if you can
Good point. Businesses that use over a certain level of electricity must install a demand meter, because the energy to "push" larger amounts of electricity to the customer increases substantially as demand increases.
So, these giant mansions may already be demand metered, or they may be on the brink. Adding more demand just increases the power company's production requirements, and that uses more fuel.
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Once again you missed the entire point of the article.
It's not about, "How can they make better decisions and not be hypocrites?"
It's about, "Look at these hypocrites."
The point is: they preach Climate Change, but then they ignore it when they want pretty lights.
:crazy:
This is exactly the point. They should be setting the example and doing everything in their power to NOT use energy unless it is necessary. And we all know these holiday lights are not necessary. That makes everyone of them hypocrites.
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Holiday lights are necessary Mr. Scrooge. :D :shaka:
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Holiday lights are necessary Mr. Scrooge. :D :shaka:
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What about manufacture, shipping, retailing, setup, removal and storage?
Are you telling us none of that takes fossil fuels?
Too often people try to reduce the scope of arguments to just the small factors that can be used to argue a point. The bigger picture has to be pointed out every time.
This is not a hypothetical, so I can see why you were hyper-focused on the amount of electricity needed to operate the lights apart from any other facet that also impacts Climate Change.
BTW, the cost to operate that many LED lights is not tiny. 5 strings of 100 bulbs each of C7 medium LED bulbs can use an average of 45kWh per month. Figure out how many bulbs are being used, and the kWh total is easy to calculate.
The point is, it's not zero, which is where they say the rest of us should be closer to. It's not a crisis if they do this.
No, its not nothing but with this angle then they are always open to criticism. I bet they take warm showers too. Clearly hypocrites as heating water uses a large amount of electricity.
I just prefer my criticism to be something a little more substantial.
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No, its not nothing but with this angle then they are always open to criticism. I bet they take warm showers too. Clearly hypocrites as heating water uses a large amount of electricity.
I just prefer my criticism to be something a little more substantial.
Hot water is a necessity, silly rabbit.
Try again. Your sarcasm game is severely lacking. :geekdanc:
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Holiday lights are necessary Mr. Scrooge. :D :shaka:
That’s Mr. Ebenezer Scrooge to you Hound! :rofl:
Or is it Scrooge McDuck? :rofl:
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That’s Mr. Ebenezer Scrooge to you Hound! :rofl:
Or is it Scrooge McDuck? :rofl:
The most recent character I believe is Francis Xavier Cross (1988).
"Recent" is relative? :crazy: :rofl:
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The most recent character I believe is Francis Xavier Cross (1988).
"Recent" is relative? :crazy: :rofl:
I’ll check out my family tree…… :wacko:
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Hot water is a necessity, silly rabbit.
Try again. Your sarcasm game is severely lacking. :geekdanc:
False!
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It is absolutely hilarious when someone who tried too hard to sound like an academic but failed to see sarcasm when it hit them square in the face.
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It is absolutely hilarious when someone who tried too hard to sound like an academic but failed to see sarcasm when it hit them square in the face.
I'm trying to figure out how the back & forth veered into the Hot Water lane. The topic is about extreme holiday lights and how the same people pretending to be woke and terrified of climate change are the same ones doing this.
This discussion reminds me of the carbon credit scam. "We need to reduce our carbon footprints, except for the rich who can afford to buy carbon credits."
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I'm trying to figure out how the back & forth veered into the Hot Water lane. The topic is about extreme holiday lights and how the same people pretending to be woke and terrified of climate change are the same ones doing this.
This discussion reminds me of the carbon credit scam. "We need to reduce our carbon footprints, except for the rich who can afford to buy carbon credits."
Do you think the christmas lights add more to the electrical usage than the hot water heater?
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Do you think the christmas lights add more to the electrical usage than the hot water heater?
How big is the tree?
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That’s Mr. Ebenezer Scrooge to you Hound! :rofl:
Or is it Scrooge McDuck? :rofl:
Depends if you got your pants on Inspector Dave. :shaka:
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Do you think the christmas lights add more to the electrical usage than the hot water heater?
If you understood anything about home energy use, the majority of homes use the most energy when heating water. That's why most homes that have more than 1 or 2 residents install solar-electric water heaters.
To compare that to ANY OTHER energy consuming system or device is irrelevant, since the comparison to a water heater will always have the heater come out on top of energy usage.
Having said that, I'd bet $20 the homes already have a solar water heating system. Some may also have PV systems. That's not the point. The Christmas lights are a night-time extravagance, and therefore are not using solar electric power. And unless batteries are now in common use for PV in that area, no sense going there, either.
When we conducted energy surveys in Hawaii, the first recommendation before any PV or AC installs was to replace the electric water heater with solar.
So, the water heater argument is ridiculous. If they are using all electric energy to heat their water AND run their massive holiday light displays, then they are even bigger hypocrites than I thought!
BTW, "hot water heater" is an oxymoron. You don't need to heat hot water. Hot water is already hot. You either need a cold water heater or a hot water cooler. :rofl:
--g. carlin
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Depends if you got your pants on Inspector Dave. :shaka:
Now that I’m retired, who needs pants? :rofl:
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Now that I’m retired, who needs pants? :rofl:
At least youre 1 step closer to being greener than someone else who still needs to wear pants.
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If you understood anything about home energy use, the majority of homes use the most energy when heating water. That's why most homes that have more than 1 or 2 residents install solar-electric water heaters.
To compare that to ANY OTHER energy consuming system or device is irrelevant, since the comparison to a water heater will always have the heater come out on top of energy usage.
Having said that, I'd bet $20 the homes already have a solar water heating system. Some may also have PV systems. That's not the point. The Christmas lights are a night-time extravagance, and therefore are not using solar electric power. And unless batteries are now in common use for PV in that area, no sense going there, either.
When we conducted energy surveys in Hawaii, the first recommendation before any PV or AC installs was to replace the electric water heater with solar.
So, the water heater argument is ridiculous. If they are using all electric energy to heat their water AND run their massive holiday light displays, then they are even bigger hypocrites than I thought!
BTW, "hot water heater" is an oxymoron. You don't need to heat hot water. Hot water is already hot. You either need a cold water heater or a hot water cooler. :rofl:
--g. carlin
And we could always say they are hypocrites for wanting hot water. When people are on opposing tribes they will find any way to make the other side look bad, thats all I am saying.
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And we could always say they are hypocrites for wanting hot water. When people are on opposing tribes they will find any way to make the other side look bad, thats all I am saying.
There are some things that are a neccessity, like hot water. Adding lights to a tree can be cut if they were seriois about being green. But their water heater better be an energy effecient model and have PV if they live in a house. Or theyre just hypocrites.
Like how our former resident climate change and green expert wasnt any greener than i am, and i wasnt even trying like how he is.
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And we could always say they are hypocrites for wanting hot water. When people are on opposing tribes they will find any way to make the other side look bad, thats all I am saying.
Your hypotheticals are as old as they are irrelevant.
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Got anything based on actual facts to comment on? Or is that too much work for you?
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Just for the record, myself as a landlord, I am required by law to provide running water and hot water to my tenants. While it might not be a requirement by law as a homeowner to provide yourself with hot water, the law does require a certain level of livability if you have children. And the children could be taken away if it is found you are not providing certain basics. And I believe hot water is considered one of those basics. JMHO
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Your hypotheticals are as old as they are irrelevant.
Wasn't even a hypothetical... Focus
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There are some things that are a neccessity, like hot water. Adding lights to a tree can be cut if they were seriois about being green. But their water heater better be an energy effecient model and have PV if they live in a house. Or theyre just hypocrites.
Like how our former resident climate change and green expert wasnt any greener than i am, and i wasnt even trying like how he is.
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I don't like hypocrisy any more than the next guy but even I find that when people get in their tribes, many will find any way to paint the other side negatively to make some point and it can just be drawn out forever. I prefer to focus on the big things that would make big differences than the petty things.
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I don't like hypocrisy any more than the next guy but even I find that when people get in their tribes, many will find any way to paint the other side negatively to make some point and it can just be drawn out forever. I prefer to focus on the big things that would make big differences than the petty things.
It's a good thing this topic isn't about what you prefer to focus on.